Sasquatch Chronicles - Show Notes with Shannon-Jesus Payan

Episode Date: February 3, 2015

Tonight I have joining me, Jesus Payan. He is a researcher of all things Fortean, and has been doing so, for over 20 years. He had experiences when he was young that drove him to search in Europe and all over North America for things unknown. He is a member of Kryder Exploration and Crypto Four Corners, and has been chosen as a field researcher for The Falcon Project. Jesus recently had an up-close sighting of a Sasquatch and will be sharing that story for the first time tonight.

Welcome to Show Notes with Shannon LaGroe. Give her a call at 646-716-8791. Good evening and welcome to Show Notes. The Saturday Call-in Show turned out really well. It was great to hear Combo again. I know I enjoyed it and I'm sure everyone else did. So thanks to him for coming on. Now a new episode for members was loaded onto the site

and it was titled Military Encounter with the Yeti. And that was a close encounter had by Craig in India. And it was in a beautiful area of Kassol. And Wes and I had actually mentioned how closely that area resembled the Pacific Northwest. Not what sprang to mind when I had first read the encounter that Craig had sent to me. And he did a fantastic job retelling those tense moments. So thanks to Craig as well. There is a young lady named Chloe, who is 10 years old.

She is interested in the subject of Bigfoot. And I wanted to let her know. I saw her drawings on our Sasquatch Chronicles Facebook page that her father Kipp posted. And they are fantastic. Chloe, I think it's more than fun to be into some things a little outside the norm. So keep doing what you're doing. And also, Chloe, I'll keep an eye out for your Shaligator. That is her own original cryptid that she came up with.

I have not yet seen my co-host for the evening, evening. Jesus. So I'm going to bring Steve on, as he has a few encounters he would like to share. Steve, you're on the air. Hey, how you doing, Shannon? I'm doing great, Steve. are you tonight? Pretty good, pretty good. Absolutely. Okay, well, 11 years old and I was at a and my mom actually got a diaper from the back that was at the side of the house. It was like a window

over that. I got the diaper and I looked up and I saw a creature and grumped again. It was like one of those things where, you know, when you're seven years old and you see this, you're not sure what you're looking at. Obviously, I didn't know what it was. You know, I thought it might have been a mom. And you know what? It kind of stuck in my mind growing up, you know, 10, 11 years old, you know, figuring, I didn't know what it was, you know, 12 years old. I was out in the woods, you know, not that far away from then I started seeing a tree being pushed. And I could see about eight foot tall and his end his roar. And, you know, this is the most and altogether I've had 20 encounters with them. The typical ones that I've seen the most are the ones that kind of look like Chabaca, if you know what I mean, from Star Wars. you know, that reddish

cinnamon color. And, you know, I was standing there and it didn't really want to hurt me. I guess it just wanted me to leave the area, you know. And as I was walking out, and this has happened to me

on several different other occasions throughout the years, as I was walking out and I was being, you know, there was a couple of them, there was one on my left and one on my right kind of walking me out of the area.

And then, you know, when I got out of the woods, you know, and I was walking on a baseball field, and, you know, I guess I knew what it was right then and there And that went back to the day Even when I was a 7-year-old child

Seeing it that it was a Sasquatch That they were real You know and it changed my life forever Ever since that time And throughout the years I've had so many different encounters with them It's just been unbelievable But you know the greatest encounter I ever had

Was on August 23rd, 2012 I had actually just come out of the hospital I was getting treatment so I didn't visit a Ralton and I was getting into my car to go into my car, and I felt like something was watching me. And I looked over to my far left, and there was a Sasquatch.

Now, this is something you guys, I don't know if you guys have ever heard, this type of thing. It was actually, he was sitting down, like sitting down, not on all floors. He was sitting down. He was looking at me, and he was swaying to the left,

and he was swaying to the right. He was swinging to the left, and he was swaying to the right, and he was sitting there looking at me, you know? And he gets up, And I'm telling you, this is 15 feet away for me. And there's absolutely no obstruction whatsoever. There is nothing blocking this creature, nothing.

And this creature got up. He looked at me to like a split second. And then he turned, like he absolutely looked in the other direction. He wouldn't look at me. At this point, I tried to get my phone to work, but I had no battery in it. I got my car. I pulled it out in reverse of this person's driveway. I started going in the same exact direction,

the Sasquatch was. He took two steps, went across the street, took another step and went over an embankment. The whole entire time, he did not look at me in the eye. He was peaceful. He was calm. He did not want to hurt me. He could tell that I didn't want to hurt him,

and he walked away. It was just such a clear sighting talking about about 20 seconds of no obstruction whatsoever, you know. That right there was an incredible sighting that I wish you could have one day, Shannon. You know, but let me tell you, though, like we spoke a couple of times before, once you do see a Sasquatch, your life changes forever. And Steve, you've never felt afraid of them or that there was any aggressive behaviors towards you?

Can you describe some of those? Yeah, absolutely. You know, I go out in the woods, you know, and I'm in the part of the Northeast here. You know, I do not carry, you know, a weapon. We're not allowed to. And I'm 100% positive that these creatures do. know what guns are. And, you know, what I do is, you just take a baseball bat with me just to have something with me. And I'm out there and I'm camping, you know, and there's no one out there with me. Yes, I do have a soft form, but I'm kind of far away from people. You know, I'm a couple of miles in. And one night in particular was a full moon, you know, and that's why I'm just going to say

something right now, but, you know, I was watching Finding Bigfoot one time, and one of the people on the show said, you know, there's not much activity when there's a full moon. Well, they don't know what they're talking about because that's when I've had the most incredible, you know, night where I hear them and, you know, I've seen them and I've seen the eyes shine, so on and so forth. On this particular night, it was a harvest moon. I'm telling you, I just felt uneasy, you know? And then all of a sudden, this happened several different times, but this night in particular,

you know, it was like a very loud night, right? And all of a sudden, everything went absolutely quiet. It was like dead, nothing. You couldn't even hear, you could hear a pin drop. he didn't hear nothing, nothing, no, you know, no noise at all whatsoever. And then I started getting that smell, you know, the Sasquette smell. That, you know, that must-de-roll, you know, that smells like a dog or like a dead animal, you know, in the area. And all of a sudden, you know, I started hearing, you know, some grunted.

And then I started hearing some house. And I started hearing Trenox. You know, and then all of a sudden, you know, there's a lot being thrown over my tent, literally. You know, this is just one of these things where, You know, the next day, because I stayed there the whole night, I was terrified. But the next day when I got out of the tent and I saw this log, it was not there the night before, and I heard this stump. You know, it scared me so much, it was just unbelievable. Now, on other occasions where I was home and just minding my own business, watching TV or whatever, a tree go down in the woods.

On one time, one occasion in particular, I looked down my window. And I saw, this was the first time I ever saw the eye shot. I saw two eyes glowing green, green eyes. It was just unbelievable how big they were. And it was almost like there were flashlights coming right at me, you know? And the creature was standing there looking at me. I know, honestly, I couldn't see, you know, what color was because it was dark, you know what I mean? It was, but it was there for a few minutes, you know?

And then it just walked away. And then a couple of other times when I came home, actually, and I was getting out of my car at nighttime I looked over to my far left and I saw I shine but it was yellow like a yellowish white and it was standing there you know were these creatures trying to hurt me I don't think so obviously the time when I was in the tent and it threw the log over me I don't know if I was trying to mark the territory or anything like that but it definitely you know I have there's a fear factor there but at the same time you know I believe that these creatures

are very loving, very kind, very gentle. And I think they will protect their families to have to. But I will tell you one thing. And if you have any kids, you know, I would definitely keep an eye on them when you go in the woods with him, that's for sure. Steve, have you only seen males? I've seen one female, I believe. That time I was actually with somebody else. I was with one of my friends, Marcy.

We were at a state park, I'd say about 25 miles north of here. And we just, I went to a particular spot where there was a particular tree structure that I wanted to show her. Because, you know, I started getting into the Sasquatch, you know, because I had some, I had recorded a couple of localizations. And it was just an incredible thing because literally I got out of my car with her. It took about three steps. And then all of a sudden we heard one of those lying calls of the Sasquatch and she heard it. And she looked at me and I looked at her and she started shaking. And I said to her, she goes, as that what it is?

And that's one of their calls, you know. And I went down about a quarter of a mile down the road where I heard the call coming from. And we got out of the car and there was actually two of them that were there, not one but two. And I believe one of them was a female. Now, these were the more ape looking type, you know, the ones that have the black fur. It's more like, you know, they were big guerrillas, you know. and she saw him and like she's you know and they tell you know

she's never been the same ever since she's ever since she had experience with me like you know it's because to be honest with you know where I live I'm not that far from the major city it's within a couple of hours and you know when you think of Sasquatch a lot of people think of you know Canada or

you know like Oregon or Washington State or whatever but the truth of the matter is there's millions of these creatures and they're all over the place Steve, you said you think there's millions of them? Yes. Yes. And they're spread mostly over North America?

Absolutely. You know, the thing is, people, you know, people think I'm crazy or whatever. But you know what? How many people, you know, would say what I'm saying right now? And then back it up by taking a life test test and passing it. Because I know I will because I'm saying the truth. You know, because I love these creatures and, you know, I go looking for them and I find them. But the one thing, I guess the reason why I haven't been hurt by these creatures is because if they give me a warning shot,

it's sort of like, you know, people will shoot the gum for someone to leave when a sex, why stuff's not doing a tree knock or a yell, then you've got to pack out, you know, you've got to give them the respect. And that's happened to me on several, several different occasions. So, you know, it's incredible. You know, I believe there is millions of them. And, you know, I think people, you know, I guess the men in black want to cover. were up in all the time and stuff like that. But you know what?

You know, I respect everybody what they have to do and everything. I understand they, you know, they don't want a lot of people knowing about it. Most people laugh at you when you talk about it. But until you've seen one, then you'll understand, you know what I mean? People, like my friend Marcia,

I mean, she wasn't exactly like telling me that I was crazy or that I was a liar. But after she saw that she realized it, you know, and she was like, wow, I know what you mean. And the most activity that I usually get is, I would say, from late March, early April, May, unbelievable, June, July, August, September. I would say right around mid-October, Halloween time, it settles down because I believe the creatures migrate and they go someplace else.

I'm just curious where you think they go, you know, do they go underground or they all go south? Possibly. I mean, I believe, I believe that they might, they might, some of them stay behind, Well, my personal opinion is that I believe the alpha male might stay or maybe another one might stay behind. But I believe most of them do go south because like here in the Northeast this time of the year, like for an example, today we have snow and it's cold. There is a lot of vegetation for them here, for them here in summertime or in the spring. But right now, you know, right now there's nothing basically for them to eat except if they kill a deer or an animal. You know what I mean? And that's another thing too, Shannon.

You know, you should see in this area over here now during the wintertime. There's a lot of deer, you know. Occasion, I'll see a turkey or something, you know. During the summertime, not like it was 15, 20 years ago. I don't see as many animals around it's because I believe, for a fact, the Sasquatches, they eat deer. You know, that's what they do. You know, that's their, that's what they eat. That's their main food source right there.

You know, I know for a fact because I can't. tell you know the time when I was looking out my window and I saw a Sasquatch chasing a beer. You know that's that from your from your house you saw this Steve yes yes yep and I you know it's just the the speed that this creature had okay and I can tell you right now the deer didn't make I could tell you that it was only I would say about three seconds the speed that this creature had was unbelievable and it was also again it was one of those the reddish the reddish fur You know, the Shabaka looking like Sasquatch, you know, just taking off and going after him.

And I couldn't see whether or not it got it, but obviously it did because of the speed. It was just unbelievable. You know, there was another occasion when I was looking out of my window, and I actually saw one knuckle dragging. That's the only time I've ever seen one knuckle dragging. It was, you know, a tremendously big creature. And when I went down there, actually, there was a beautiful clear footprint, you know, with the toes and everything. I've come across hundreds of tracks, but not that many with toes, because I believe what they do is a lot of them do knuckle drag.

They don't want anybody knowing, you know what I mean? You know, they don't want anybody knowing that they're there. You know, they're just, they go about doing what they have to do. You know, they're... I believe the creatures are very family-orientated. You know, they take care of they young, and, you know, they take care of each other. And I think, for the most part, they won't bother you if you don't bother them. but at the same time, if you go looking for trouble, you know, I believe they will defend themselves.

Now, Steve, before I let you go, what do you think Sasquatch is? I believe Sasquatch is part human and part ape, you know, and I think that the features that they have, because I've had very, you know, close-up encounters, there's definitely, part of them are definitely human. day there is part human and it's part eight and again chan you know i only hope one day that you will see one and when you do see it you'll understand what i'm saying believe me thank you steve i appreciate you coming on you're welcome thanks have a good night you too take care but bye area code 803 how are you doing tonight i'm doing great this is mike richberg otherwise known as apex encounters well hello there Mike, how are you doing tonight?

I'm doing just great. I'm glad I finally got on the air with you there. I just want to say I really have enjoyed the program, and I think it was really been a great addition to the community, and I've really enjoyed listening. Well, thank you so much. Go ahead, Mike. Go right ahead, Mike.

I thought I might tell you a little bit about the day my life kind of changed for me. a long time ago. I would absolutely love that. Yes. Actually, there are some parallels there, I think, with Will's stories as far as our timelines and stuff. When I was 14, I was hunting in a swamp with my father and a bunch of other people at a hunting club in South Carolina on the Congaree River.

And what they call dog driving for deer. We were using dogs to hunt deer. And basically you would box off a large area with hunters with shotguns, and you turn dogs loose, and they run the deer toward the hunters. That's the general concept. We had done that many times in the same hunting club, and this morning or the morning that this siding in our encounter incurred, we had decided to string as many standards out down the river as we could

because the big deer would tend to just go jump in the river and swim in the river and be done with all the people with shotguns and all that stuff. So they strung us out down the river early in the morning, and my father and I were the last two standers on the southernmost positions down in the river. And we walked in together toward the river from a little, a little two rut, logging road, you know, very primitive roadway. We walked down a little ways And we got down there

Where the Sandy Run Creek Actually Connected with the Congo River River And he walked down one side of the creek And I crossed the creek there where I could And walked down the other side You'll forgive me Oh, no problem, Mike. Take your time

Okay We both walked down One of him on one side of the creek And me on the other And when I crossed the creek there it told me to hit on down there to the river. And when I got to the riverbank, to turn around and just kind of position myself

where I could see across a semi-open-enough area there where if a deer come through there, I could see enough to shoot at it, clearly, you know, get a good shot on one. And the creek kind of opened up pretty wide down there where it got here a river, so it was like my dad, he was probably at least 100 yards away from him, maybe 200 yards north of my position.

on the riverbank. It was foggy. It was in the fall, and I don't remember, you know, it was that day or nothing. But I sat there, and I did like it did, it told me. You know, I always looked at my day, so I walked until I got to the riverbank, and I couldn't even see the river for all the trees, and it was kind of foggy anyway, or whatever. I know the river was right there. I was at the top of about 15 to 20-foot bank there in that spot. And I was done turning around, got settled in, I was thinking about which way the deer might come from and all that. And it was real quiet that morning.

And there was an island later coming to find out. I didn't put two and two together at the time. There was an island in the river right there at the mouth of that creek. Well, I was sitting there having a back turn to the river with my little 20-gay shotgun. It was a brown and automatic shotgun. And I was 14. I was ready to kill deer. I've been hunting many times.

I was no stranger to the woods. Well, I heard something, get out of the river, like down over on my left shoulder down in the river, many feet below me at the bottom of the bank, and it come up to the riverbank there. And that thing, when it first started coming out to the riverbank, I said, okay, well, Daddy, you know, took me in a good spot, and I'm sitting to shoot a big deer, you know, that's really while I was first thinking. and it came up to the top of the riverbank. And it was kind of like parallel with me right there at the top of the riverbank

and about maybe 50 feet from my position. He's right there in some thick stuff. I said, oh, boy, that deer's fixing to step out, you know. And it kept moving around in that thick stuff a little bit, and I never could really see it too good. But it kept moving around and I kind of got the impression maybe it might have been something kind of heavy. It sounded a lot heavier than a deer. And then I thought maybe it was a big hog.

And I started thinking I ain't had enough gun then, you know. But sure enough, this thing made a noise. And I tell you, the best way I can describe noise is kind of like between a grunt and a sigh, like a human noise. And I said, Lord, and I didn't know what thing in. you know, when you're 14, you don't know maybe somebody living down in the woods escape convict or something fall. I mean, I don't know what thing.

So I was thinking about maybe putting the safety back on the gun on account of it being a person, and I ain't want to shoot nobody by accident on that. And about that time, that thing walked out. You know, it was a color of a bear. And he wasn't coming at me.

He was kind of like walking away from the river and a little bit out toward him. And I couldn't look at, I didn't get a good look at his face. And there was some, you know, growth between where I was at and the thing, but I seen it good. And when he walked out there, it was all black, like

up there, but it was walking up right. Now, I looked straight at his ear. And he had, like, a pointed bear. He had a round ear, like a, like a primate, you know, it wasn't pointed out. So, right in and there, my mind got played real bad. right in and there, I know that I was looking at something ain't supposed to be.

And I was mighty scared. I mean, I was powerful scared. I mean, the same thing, I ended up wetting my pants and all kinds of it. But anyway, the thing, as soon as I seen it, I know that it wasn't right and it wasn't supposed to be there. And it was big. I mean, I think about seven and a half foot tall. I'm a pretty good size estimate as far as, like, you know, having some experience with hunting and livestock and whatnot. And I'll say, when I say 700 pounds, I ain't really exaggerating.

It was really big and heavy. And very, very large in the chest and shoulder area, so I was very frightened, partly because I wasn't supposed to be seeing what I was seeing, but also because it looked so terrifyingly powerful. and I knew like there was no chance like this thing come at me

with just that 20 gauge I was going to be in trouble and luckily all I could think it was please God don't turn around and look at me and it didn't it walked on out there

where I kind of had come in my trail it corded out in front of me till it sniffed my trail where I walked in as well happened and it kind of hesitated for a minute and then he angled off and went on down through the wood. But when that thing walked through there, I seen his hand.

He was moving the branches out of the way just like a man would walk through the woods. And you know, you ain't going to walk through woods just let branches slap you in the face, whatever. You're grabbing with your hand, kind of bent him out in the way. I've seen that thing's hand good. Now, I couldn't see most of the lower body. And there was, you know, undergrowth and trees and all there. But I've seen that hand, too.

I just, that was another thing when I seen it. It just, I knew I wasn't supposed to be seeing that. And that thing shook me up so bad. It changed my life. And Mike, what about the face? I'm sorry to interrupt you. What about its face? No, no.

Pretty good look at that. No, I seen like the side of his face. Because when he walked away from the river, he was kind of walking away from me, too. You know, he wasn't walking toward me. and I seen the side of his face. And I will say that there was some skin there. The whole thing wasn't like covering hair, like a teddy bear or something. I seen some skin around the cheekbone area, but I was so horrified at the time.

I don't, you know, with the brushing all in between us, I didn't really get a good look at where the hair line felt on the face. I couldn't really see, like, the shape of the nose or nothing. I remember that ear real good, but I don't remember, like, the, actually, like, the nose or anything. But it never looked over at you, it never noticed you? It didn't know, and the only reason I think that happened, and that's why I mentioned that earlier, is because of that island, it's right there in the river. And now, you know, there's people all up and now in the river, but in 1978, it wasn't, that was a quiet area,

and there wasn't no house around there and nothing like that. And I think that thing was on that island during that night and naturally, when he went to leave the island to come on shore, he would have

came ashore, if you will, just downstream from the island, that's where I was at. But he come by me, he was in the river, and I was on the top of the riverbank and he hadn't smelled me because I was like 15 or 20 feet

is what I think happened. So then he ended up on my left when he come up to river back. And the wind was kind of in her face then. But when he come over there to while walking in out, he smelled me as soon as he got over there. And he didn't make a big deal out of it every now. He kind of just stopped for like a second or two, maybe kicked his head down a little bit, but he didn't like stoop down or making a sudden move or nothing. He just kind of angled off a little bit and kept walking.

And kept walking right on out there, right on two legs. Yeah, wasn't too worded. about you, huh? No. I think he smelled... Oh, go ahead, Mike. Oh, no, I was just going to say, I thought he smelled me, and he knew what it was. It was a human, and he probably didn't want no more contact than I do.

Or he didn't bother to even turn around and look, see how far away I was or not. You know, I'm guessing his thought process, you know, was maybe something like, okay, that's a human and that's fresh. I'm just going to keep on sliding through here and hope, you know, things too, which was fine with me, because my knees is knocking, and I had unpeed my pants by then, and I was crying, which I didn't even know I was crying, but, like, as the ordeal was kind of ending, I realized, like, my face was with and everything. And I was just, you know, totally petrified. And, well, in a way, you know, that's kind of what started it all from me.

because when I seen it, Shannon, it just blew my mind. I said, that ain't in no book that I ever been shown right there. Them science teachers have been lying to me because that ain't no bear and that ain't no man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's like that. When you know what you're looking at, it's different. And, you know, it wasn't like I've seen something.

It could have been a big foot or whatever. There ain't nothing that's like what I seen but a Bigfoot. And it's funny. Right. Because at the time, not too long before that, I believe it was, I had seen like everybody else in America, the legend of Bogd Creek. And when I seen that animal that day, and I called an animal, because people are animals too much.

I didn't really equate it to like a Bigfoot. Because I don't have a stereotype plan in my mind. by the legend of a Boggy Creek movie, that the Bigfoot was some kind of shaggy, moss-covered, monster-looking thing that just, you know, had duckweed growing on in the way. And what I seemed wasn't like, that it had a coat, very neat coat,

like a black bear, and the hair wasn't that long. And so I didn't look at that thing and in the split a second and say, well, there's a big foot. I just looked at it and said, well, that ain't no bear when I seen that around here. And I didn't think Bigfoot. I just, an ape man or something, you know. And in retrospect now, I mean, I know that was what I'm looking at.

That's the same thing that people called Bigfoot. But I tell you what, I didn't really, it didn't remind me to, I didn't equate it to the creature of Bobby Creek, if you will. And Mike, you and I have chatted quite a bit before, and I've never heard your encounter, so I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that. You've heard me talk about my no list, and the no list includes anything too close. Would you, if you could go back, would you have had the same encounter? Would you go back and do that again? To say no.

because like, well, even when that day happened, my daddy seen I was crying and probably I imagine I was why as a ghost and all that. Because, oh, believe me, I was waiting on him when he came back to the meeting point. I was already out there waiting and looking around. My head was on a swivel. And I didn't look like I was doing too good, I'm sure. And I didn't tell him. And that affected my life, too, you know, because my daddy was, my best friend, and I was so afraid to tell him for a number of reasons.

Plus, not only I thought he would think I was lying or crazy, but he would, by the time we got back to the hunt club down there where all my cousins and the sheriff and the barber and everybody else in town was hunting, what he'd been picking on me so bad, I'd just grown up as monkey boy or whatever. Everybody in town would call me monkey boy, you know, the rest of my life, so I wasn't real fire up on that program either. So one of the hardest things about that day was for me not to say nothing to nobody.

And I still ain't stood up about that, and that was 36 years ago. Right. I was going to say, when was the first time you told someone and who was it? First person I ever told was a couple of my buddies like

that was high school buddies that I knew then, I didn't tell then it was years before I told him. It was a couple years before I told me. And I thought that I was kind of crazy. And then I told my ex-wife at one point during our marriage, I told her years later, it was many years like. I didn't talk too much of nobody about it for a long time.

But I developed an interest in it. Obviously, now, when the thing first happened, I was scared to death, Shannon. I wouldn't go back in the woods for three years. But then I got, wanting to spend time of my daddy, so I started hunting again, doing the, you know, getting in a tree stand with a high-powered rifle and doing the deer hunting thing. I felt kind of safe doing that. And I got my courage back. And then I'm very curious about what I saw, obviously, and felt compelled to learn more.

And I did. And I started putting my name out there and asking questions and trying to find out about other people that had experiences and different things like that. American legends in the area, and just whatever I could do to get out in the field or wherever I could to learn more about the subject and to find other people that had the same kind of experience, because that would kind of help me understand. Because what I've seen just didn't add up, and I just wanted to understand more about us, had this burning desire. But if I would do it again or not, I don't really know.

It's been a blessing and a curse. I don't know if I was in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time. And I apologize, Mike. How old were you when this took place? I was 14. 14. Okay. It was in 1978.

It was like just a few yards south of where the Sand Run River, I mean, the Sanctrine Creek for it was in Chicago River, right there in South Carolina, which just in the middle of the city. of the state, kind of southeast of the state capital. And how far away were you from, it was swamp area, okay, and how far were you from civilization at that point? From the town of Columbia, this is probably 20, 30 miles down the river, but I'm trying to think of what constitutes a town. It would be anywhere near there at that time. The town of Sandin Run, South Carolina, population, a few hundred at the time, you know, back then. It's much larger than that now. And there's homes all in there and a lot of traffic on the river as far as boat traffic and stuff now. Right.

So really, it's pretty sparse. I mean, even in the town itself, it was sparse. Yeah, even miles away at the nearest town, there wasn't a lot of homes. Right. Back then, there was a couple houses within walking distance, maybe. Well, Mike, it sure was good to talk to you finally. I appreciate it. I appreciate that.

And I didn't want to tie up all your time. I know you never heard that. And I did want to share that, would you? And that's what started off for me. And, you know, it was the heart change. It's the only way I can describe it. I can only imagine. And I, yeah, I have my no list, but I know that you can't choose your encounters.

And so I appreciate you coming on and sharing that. Oh, oh, you're really. very welcome. And like I say, the main thing I want to do is kind of tell you how much I've enjoyed the show being on and listening. Thanks, Mike. Well, you're really great show, and

we would appreciate you in the community and keep up the good work. Thank you very much. You have a great night. Thanks, you too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Next, I would like to go to Area Code 864. You are on the air.

Hello, Shannon. This This is Matthew Palmer Jones. We spoke into each other before. Well, hello, Matthew. How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing excellent.

Thank you for calling in. Thank you. I, like the previous caller. I live in Spartanburg, South Carolina, about 25 minutes away from North Carolina. And I'm sure you're familiar with this, how up north, close to Maine and Canada, people are more inclined to see Sasquatch is a more, you know, robust 7, 8, 9 foot tall

and the further down south you get, you have the more, you know, 7 feet, 6 feet, Lauren Coleman even mentioned a few times five foot tall Sasquatch. And the encounter, the only, the only encounter I can really verify that I'm certain,

I firmly believe it was a Sasquatch I was 12. I was very young. But I firmly believe I saw it because I was looking for it. You know, I was one of those kids. I grew up watching the 1940s, Long Cheney Wolfman movies, and my dad showed me Harry and the Hendersons, and I was hooked. And so I did everything I saw people on television doing.

I beat the trees. I made the hooping calls. I even left out, you know, fruits and stuff, you know, hoping, you know, Sasquatch might come down there and eat it. And it was the summertime. It was around August, right before school began. And the sun was heading west. The shadows were on the ground.

And after all day, I've been beating the trees, making hollering sounds, and I've been doing this for quite a long time, you know. It was the summertime, 12 years old, nothing to do, full of enthusiasm. them. And so I turned my back to the woods and I started walking home. And that's when I heard a twig snap. And, you know, it could have been anything off on the face of the planet, but I chose to take a look. And I turned around. And really, at first, it was so long and lanky and black, I thought it was my own shadow until I looked down and saw the shadow was right in front of me. And so I raised my right hand, did raise this right hand. And then I knew it wasn't my shadow, because right after

the right hand, it waved both hands at me. And so by that time, I knew this was not my shadow. And we stared at each other for about 10 seconds, solid space off. Just, I was scared out of my mind, but at the same time, I was like, oh, my God, this is a big place. And so I, I, I was, I, I remember, you know, if you encounter a bear, you don't turn your back to it. So I simply backtracked. I didn't turn my back to it. I walked away, still looking at it. And I walked in a scared stiff, so I went into my room and laid down.

That's my big foot encounter. On the details, I've heard you wanting to know about the face or features or anything in particular. This particular incident, I can tell you almost exactly how tall it was because the next I went over with a tape measure and measured the limb that was standing underneath. It would have stood about 6 foot 10. And that's not very large in concerns to other chasquatch sightings I've heard of, but it makes all the sense in the world to me. You know, South Carolina, there's a lot of woodland,

but I don't think it would be the place for an 8-foot-tall, 500-600-pound Sasquatch. And so the whole 10 seconds I was staring at it. I automatically knew one thing. This is something I've only heard of on several occasions, but the Patterson footage, same thing. I believe the Sasquatch I saw was a female. And whatever the female characteristics of the species are, it was not humongous and robust in the chest.

It didn't have big massive arms. If anything, I could say it looked very similar to a chimpanzee, but obviously much taller. much lengthier. I believe it was a female. It had memory glands on the chest, a common trait of all female primates. The head was rounded.

You know, no big peaks like you'd see on a great ape or anything of that sort. And so I had a very good long look at it. I concluded, you know, this thing's a big foot. I got what I asked for it. Now can I go? and I walked away. And for the longest time, I didn't tell anybody about it until school started. And the teacher wanted to know what we did over the summer.

And so I told the whole class I thought I saw a bigfoot. And naturally the teacher thought I was just being some crazy young boy. And, you know, I was a crazy young boy. Still I am. But to this day, I hold by it. I firmly believe I saw a female Sasquatch. And did she see you then? She was mimicking you, so she saw you.

Did you make any noises? Did she try to come closer? No. She mimicked me. She, you know, raised the right hand, and then she raised the left hand, like a waving motion. Like you'd wave at somebody from across the field or something. And the whole, the distance between me and her was about 50 yards. And that sounds a lot.

But I'm standing right now in the exact same place I was those years ago. And I can recreate it just like it was yesterday. She saw me. I, you know, we, we, I wouldn't say we made eye contact because I couldn't really make out where eyes were, where the nose was, because the part of the woods she was in was already eclipsed in shadow. And so all I really could make out was a tall, lanky figure. And yes, she most definitely saw me. And, I mean, were you instantly afraid? You said you went in and just went in your bedroom and,

Did it affect you a lot? I think because, you know, I was 12 years old. I was following all these Bigfoot TV shows and documentaries. I had all, my dream, you know, was to see a Sasquatch. And so really it was the realization, well, Matt, you got it. There you go. What do you do with it? And, you know, I knew that people probably more often than not were going to think I was making it up or crazy.

and I've told adults at tables, you know, back when I was, you know, 13, 14, 15, I gave them description of it. And all they could tell me was, you know, well, you have a very active imagination. And you can imagine how great that was for my self-esteem. Was I scared? Yes. But only during the time. Because I registered, this thing is big.

Because if I were to stand where it was standing, you might see the time. top of my head, I saw the upper part of its stomach through the head. I was, you know, maybe five, five, six at the time, 12 years old, and it was six foot ten. Humongous by human standards. I've rarely met people who were even close to that height. And so I was scared at first, but on recollection, I mean, hearing the other callers talk about their experiences, mine was rather, I'll put it that way.

There were no scary moments. there were no uncertainties, if you will, a small stare off. Because, you know, I have been knocking on trees and making these hoops and howls for a few hours. And finally, I guess, I decided to come to. Well, Matthew, thank you so much for coming on and sharing. I really appreciate that. Thank you. I'm glad you listened.

Thanks, Matthew. Have a great night. You too. Bye-bye. I see my guest, Jesus Jr., in the queue. So I wanted to go ahead and give him a proper introduction before I bring him on. Some of you may know him as Jesus Pian online or Jesus Jr. He is an American Indian from the Maya Nation, a Hollywood actor, who you have seen in Breaking Bad or two guns.

He has also been on an episode of Finding Bigfoot. He is a producer, stuntman, experiencer, musician, writer, researcher, and lecturer who has been immersed in the world of myth, legend, the paranormal and supernatural since his birth in Spain, Madrid in 1976. Since childhood, he has been fascinated and some say obsessed with the world of the unknown. His sightings and experiences continued throughout his life from Europe and across North America. He has behind him over 20 years of hands-on research and has most recently been chosen for the Falcon Project. He is also a Kreider Exploration and Crypto4 Corners member. So welcome Jesus to the show.

Hello, everybody. How you doing there? Better been a crazy day. I don't know. Everything's been going crazy here at the house. Well, I'm happy you made it. I'm glad to be here. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Now, Jesus, I know that you've been researching all kinds of phenomena for a really long time,

but specifically Sasquatch, you've been researching for 15 years. So how did that start for you? Well, I have known about Sasquatch and read about them since, you know, the 80s. when I started really interested in cruplagology and whatnot. In the year 2000, my family were living in Riedelso, New Mexico's Smokie Bear Ranger district area by Mascalero Apache, the Apache Reservation. And we were outside.

It was close to evening when we heard this just strangest noise that only way I could describe the time was the comparison to like say a car slamming on its brakes and you're hearing the skidding sound you know but which it's very odd up there in the mountains because there's not a lot of street roads

so in order for someone to skid that long you know it had to be a really long stretch road which made no sense to me at all and it lasted for you know the 15 seconds straight This is really a long, high-pitched, I don't know what you want to call, scream or howl. And everything stopped. The whole forest got quiet.

Nothing was, you know, everything was just, you know, just like listening for, you know, for the sound. Nothing came after it. The crickets, you know, birds, nothing. And we all just jaded each other. And then I did it again in this time for a little bit longer. And my mom and my sister looked at each other, oh, we think that's Bigfoot. We heard that before. And I was like, what?

I was Bigfoot. That's crazy. And I ran into the internet. And I, you know, pulled up Bigfoot audio files. And sure enough, I found some matches to, you know, just what we had heard, you know. And I was playing it over and over for my parents and my sister. She was a police officer there in Ritos of Downs. And my mom worked at the Ranger Station.

So they're pretty familiar with, you know, what they're hearing. But yeah, that's when the official, I guess, Sasquatch addiction began. But, yeah, that's how it started. Yeah, it's funny because, and I didn't get into it like you did, like with an audio experience or a visual, anything. But once you look up Bigfoot, it seems like it's all over for everybody. So it's nice. Now, the Four Corners episode of Finding Bigfoot,

tell me about that experience and how you felt about, you know, the end product and just the process that you went through with that. Okay, let's see. What started off, I went to Farmington, the Fruitland area by the novel reservation and on the reservation. It was doing an investigation from reported of sighting there. and when I found footprints, juvenile, we found football, you know, footprints from, we believe it was juvenile Sasquatch, we casted them, and because of my TV stuff, the word had gotten out that I was into, you know, Sasquatching. And in between my movies and TV, that's, you know, this is what I do. You know, my life, my experience is going, you know, researching me and all these different things. So I got approached by the finding Bigfoot producers, and they're like, hey, you know, we heard that you have this going on and you have possible footprints.

And we're really interested in your story. You know, we're doing, you know, four quarters of them. So we'd love to include it. So I was, you know, more than happy to do it. And they came down, got to meet everybody. And we went out. I had fun. It was a lot of fun.

Everybody was really nice. but the area that they were taken to by their local guide, I don't know why they got, you know, taken to that area, but it was a horrible place to look, but it's kind of, it's, it's a, it's a TV show, you know, like I said, which I'm used to being around all that, you know, cameras and producers and all that fun stuff, but yeah, it's kind of a, a very large production, you know, so any hopes of getting too much evidence is, kind of blown out the door building.

You have, you know, too many vehicles there and all the workers and trying to shoot the show. The actual crew, finding, for myself, this is just my opinion, because everybody has their opinion about the Finding Bigfoot show. A lot of people like to hate and be mad at everybody. But, no, they really look. I just think it's circumstantial because, you know, they have so much equipment going, you know, being in that area and people working and running around that, yeah, it's hard to really get an honest, you know,

an investigation that happened without scaring away all, you know, all the local animals. So, but they all seem really, really honest. Bobo, you know, he's funny, he's Bobo. And Renee, when I first started

watching, I was all mad, I was like, why be a little bit? A marine biologist, you know, looks to Bigfoot and I don't know if she's in the bunker. But after all matter, you know, she turned out to be, you know, one of the closest people, you know, friends-wise now that I am on the show. And, no, she just always said, you know, hey, when I see it, I'll believe it until I get to see it.

You know, I'm skeptical. And she's being honest. She didn't tell crap about people that look for Bigfoot. And she didn't say, there's no way in heck that it can exist. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm a doker. But she was just straight forward. Hey, we'll keep on looking.

As long as people want to see us, you know, searching. We'll keep on trying. And, yeah, like I said, I just think it's because of the hoopla of the, the actual production of filming the shows or messes up their chances was actually getting good evidence. Right. And that completely makes sense because I know that they, yeah,

like you said, they just have an entourage with them and they just have to because it's a TV show. Oh, yeah. And then I got so much crap for my name being Jesus because I go by Jesus, you know, in English. And, yeah, a lot of the fans of the show were upset because they said that they looked at me and said I was a, hey, Zeus, not realizing I was. Native American at all.

And I was saying that I was a Jesus because they could tell by looking at it, I was Mexican. So that was a big old, that was a big old mess. I had to get, I'm going to news and explain what's going on. And, you know, I'm a Christian pastor. So it was odd because the people that were complaining about and saying that the show was ruined because of my name, they happened to be a Christian group. Oh.

Yeah. So, but you guys, I hadn't heard about that. Yeah, yeah. It was pretty wild, you know. I'm glad I got that squared away though. Well, yeah, I'd say so. That's a little over the top. Now, Jesus, as far as your, the research groups,

you and I have, you know, we've talked about this a little bit beforehand, and I liked your approach because you said that you like to, you like to hang out with a bunch of different groups, you like to just observe and just soak things in. I think that's awesome. but you are a part of Robert Kreider's Kreider exploration and also Crypto4 Corners, which includes people like J.C. Johnson and Jack Kerry, who are fantastic researchers and also very nice people.

So can you tell me a little bit about those groups and what you guys do, you know, as much as you can? Yeah. Well, the way, like I said, started was I didn't do all this research and everything that I'm doing out of like seeking for, as a profession or, you know, just, I was just living my life and I happen to live a very, very, I guess you would call it enchanted life, filled with all kinds of strange phenomena. And so, I am my curiosity because, you know, for all those people out there that are, you know, in the Sasquatcha universe, know that there's a bunch of silly, silly people here and there you run into. you know there's there's some YouTubers that you know

I want names because I don't feel like giving them the gratification of having me name but they're very very silly individuals that like to you know make fun of people and tear apart other people's stories and you know accounts which I disagree with but

yeah it's a lot of high school action going down you know and a lot of a lot less investigation a lot less evidence research versus just, you know, people talking crap to each other, which is very annoying to me and hold the research up. So I personally was, you know, very interested in everybody's research because as a whole, you know, I'm not, you know, we can't discern a good guess or theory of what exactly is Sasquatch or any type of patterns. We only want to

listen to yourself and not listen to everybody's story because once you listen to everybody's, Then you can start putting together commonalities and doing with all these different groups. Each different group has their own way of, you know, hunting Sasquatch. Like you have some people that love doing locks, tree knocks. They're tree knockers. Then you get the ones that like trying to howl themselves. And then you got the ones that like doing pallblasts. Then you got the ones that don't believe any of that works.

You know what I mean? And they're doing their own thing looking for tree twists or, you know, different structures. So I just shut up, I watch. And even though I have, you know, inside my head, I'm like, no, don't do that, don't do that. Or, you know, I can't believe they're trying to do that. But if I just shut up and listen, then I can see what stuff is working, what stuff is getting, you know, reactions. And which ones aren't, which ones are just, you know, doing complete opposite of what they're going for. But it's when you start trying to dictate to these people what you think is when all the animosity begins.

So I'd just stay quiet, take my notes, watch, see what happens, and whoever's, which I believe has the best, you know, proven practices in research, I, you know, I work with more. And the two groups that were the most active for me, you know, when they invite me to participate with them were these two groups. and the KX team is much closer to me too so I was able to go with them more and Robert Kreider he's got all the fun toys and he had some really great theories

and yeah I really get along with that team and so C4C we're doing DNA analysis right now and you know KX has helped with their own submissions and, you know, so I'm, like, kind of immersed in it all and then getting connected with this whole

Kelkamp project deal, you know? Yeah, and we're definitely going to touch on that. But before that, if Jesus goes out and he wants to implement some research or whatever you do, if you're just going out, what do you do? What's your methods? Well, for me, like, say, it was. just me by myself and I wasn't bringing nobody with me and it's just Jesus research time I personally go for a day you know build research trip and do the area the local

area search for you know any evidence you know it's footprints tree breaks branch twists you know the little twist they like to do look for the structures you know do a lot listening. And yeah, because one of the theories, of course, you know, a whole bunch of the big footers can get completely silly and crazy, but like I said, until I can have a Sasquatch telling me, that's not true, I'm trying to do a little bit of everything. And one of the things that have been popping up a lot lately and very controversial is the thought that Sasquatch is more than just a big monkey that, you know, has a language and even farther, which drives more people even crazy, is the thought that it might be able to use thought

to communicate with besides, you know, vocally. So you never know. So whenever I go out, I try to put out those thoughts like, hey, not here to hurt you, just hear to do research, would love to hear from you. try not to kill me. But, yeah, so, yeah, I go out there, you know, and I do my field stuff. And I've had, like I said, every time I've gone out almost, some things happen. And I don't go out every day because, like I said, I do research tons of different, you know, topics and things.

So, but all the actual field investigations that went out with teams and or myself, I've rarely not come back with some experience. So nighttime is the most busy, you know, experience-wise, it's been going on for me. When I do go out researching and just a whole lot of being quiet and trying different things, you know. Yeah, absolutely. And Jesus, what's the most active area you've ever researched? Okay. The most active area of our research here in Lincoln County National Forest.

We have tons of activity. Since we had this big, big fire over a year ago, it pushed all the different Sasquots closer in the town, and we started having an abundance of sightings in the city of Udozo and we do so down. Lots of reports to the police of prowlers. One report was a Apache woman called 9-1-1. and she was freaked out because she ran into two saskatch behind the wallgreens where there were the two dumpsters they were going to the dumpsters they weren't bears we have constantly have bears and everybody knows the bears look like they're the ones we have in town you know so we lock up the dumpsters are locked so you can't get into one of your bear you know they're bear fruit but these big hairy creatures that weren't bears were able to open them and go through the trash cans.

And this lady was just, you know, didn't know what to do. She couldn't move no more. She got on her cell phone and called 911. And the police came and had to literally physically put her in their vehicle for her to move. And they had to drive her down the road away from the area because she was so frightened. And, you know, she put it she was not fond of being around the police. But she was so scared that she didn't know what else to do. It was better than the Sasquatch, I guess.

Oh, man, you know. And another case was of a Bigfoot on a ranch, local ranch. A rancher called in and reported that his cattle was, you know, being bothered that he had a Bigfoot tried to steal a cow. And he went out in his backyard where the cattle were and the Bigfoot was trying to, I guess, was like wrestling with a cow from behind. Hopefully that's what it was doing and nothing else. But, yeah, he shot his shotgun, the Sasquatch Lake. and, you know, walked over the fence and went back into the forest. And we have tons of reports on the mescaletto range, the reservation, or even, and this is a story that I'm researching.

I got research deeper into and meet with the family, but recently we had a family on the res report that a family of Sasquatch just came to their cabin and approached the cabin. And they all, you know, the family went into one of the rooms and locked themselves in their room. And the Sasquatch family came inside this house. And we're walking around inside the house and touching things and, you know, just, I guess, checking stuff out. And the little family sat in that room locked in their room waiting for them to leave. And eventually they did leave. But, yeah, you know, I had just recently attended from the local powwows there where I'd run and sing with it. the vocals and uh yeah as soon as we found out that you know i research all this it was just like

a floodgate of them wanting to tell you know somebody that didn't think they were you know crazy what was going on and i don't know if you're familiar with uh the keel ott the recently she had put out the audio recording from her backyard of uh alleged saskatch uh howells and it went around the web real quick right when it came out. This was about maybe going on a month ago. And, you know, she invited me and what other researchers I choose to take with me to go do a field investigation out in Oklahoma on her property where they're having these sightings and audio recordings.

But I'd say now officially, as of the last couple months, the most excitement I have got to experience was in, And once again, in Farmington, with both, you know, Crater Exploration and the Cryptophor Corners team, where we had contact with a family, a small family of the Bigfoot. And is this when you had your encounter that not very many people have heard? Yes, yes. There's been a couple of interviews, but not with me. You know, they interviewed, you know, I believe Robert's been interviewed and Jacks been interviewed. And J.C. have all given their, I guess, accounts of that night.

And yeah, this will be the first time I talk about that, you know, anywhere officially. Jesus, before we jump into that, I do have one question about all the stories that you're telling, especially around the res. I find it fascinating. There always seems to be activity in and around. reservations, do you have or know of any aggressive encounters or where people are just, people, animals are, you know, loosely the term attacked by these creatures? Well, I would say the, just for as the official reasons, like I don't have actual proof of attacks, you know, all the stuff that I've ever heard of, you know, the violent Sasquatch,

Which I think there is, you know, mean Sasquatch out there that are just grumpy, you know, in general. Which seems is all just been mostly rumors, like, you know, I've never actually come upon actual evidence or a body of a, just, you know, somebody that's been hurt by a Sasquatch. I've just heard stories, you know. Forever, I've heard the stories of hunters, getting, you know, like one hunter was found that his ankles were crushed and had been. beaten against a tree, you know. But I've never seen evidence. But I've heard the story. Or of a Sasquatch, you know,

pulling off a hunter's legs and beating him with his own legs. That would be pretty awful. Yes, that would be horrid. But once again, there's stories of, you know, these things happening. And I don't doubt that in the past, you know, with everybody that's been literally,

you know, hunting them with guns and shooting at or attacking these creatures, I am sure they've whooped somebody's butt in the past. You know, you hear more occurrences in the old newspapers from 1800s of wild man attacks. Amongst the Native American populace, we have many stories, you know, of Sasquatch not getting along with the locals, skilling, attacking the young people there. But over the years it seemed to have reduced in those numbers of stories of attacks. Of course, if you have that old story, it's pretty popular now of Lovelock Cave, of the, was it the Winamaka tribe, I believe,

where they had the young lady that had been taken. forced to be a tracker. She wrote her story talking about the large hairy red giants that would, you know, attack her camp and get some of the women pregnant. Right. When the women came to term, the babies were too big and killed the mother. So the, these giants would come and kill the mom, take the babies out, and then eat the mother. You know, and they didn't like that. So they burned, you know, the caves that they lived and they covered the woods

at the, you know, the foot of the mouth and said, you guys don't stop being, you know, big, scary monster giants and killing everybody, you know, we're going to burn you out. I just don't think they thought that through. And when they tried burning that entrance, you know, they killed everyone. The whole plan of these giants, you know.

But once again, the more modern-day stuff, like this whole thing with Bob Garrett disappearing, and his YouTube being shut off and all his websites and just all the strangeness that's going on and the rumors of, you know, bodies being found and the feds coming in on this. And like you said, it's all just rumors. Nothing, none of the stuff can be proven. And you don't know who, you know, if Bob himself was just having a bad day or somebody's

been, you know, matching with them or what, but until, you know, he comes forward or somebody else with, you know, more credible information on what's going on. We just can't say exactly, yeah, on the violent part of what's going on. We just can hear stories of heard of bluff charges and mostly bad things happening to people that want to hunt big with guns, is what I'm noticing. Yeah. Dicker in the chat room wanted to know what you thought as far as giving credence to the Native American stories of Sasquatch taking women and or children.

I think that's, that happened in the past many times throughout different tribes. There's been descriptions of these creatures having to be appeased with giving offerings. People have to, you know, the tribes will leave offerings at the edge of the forest in order to keep the fast watch from coming in their villages and stealing youngsters and women. And even stories of female Sasquatch is coming in and taking young braves to make them their husbands. And even to ancient times of ancient research, you have these stories popping up throughout these cultures where the many different names of Sasquatch and Bigfoot Wild Man, Harry Man, you know, Wild Harry Man, goes on and on. but this is one of my own theories and of course none of my own personal theories are you know KX's a definitive belief for C4C or the Falcon 5 these are my own theories and I'm not trying to hate everybody's but I don't know if you're familiar with the the disease they call it a disease

a hypertricosis no I'm not it's the disease of where you're covered in hair They believe on the internet. They're labeled as the Wolf Boys of Mexico. Gotcha. And it's humans that have literally just everywhere. On their nose or eyelids, their complete faces just covered in fur and their bodies. And it's just not a unique thing that have one person. It's a whole family line that these people exist.

And I was just, you know, doing research on these people's backgrounds of, you know, like ethnically and with the they happen to be related to central American Indians. So I was just curious in these very rare cases of this, you know, hypertachosis being in these families. I was just like curious and wondering, I wonder, but I research far back enough in these, you know, that family's, you know, history, if I could find any lore of, you know, wild men doing anything like that with the locals. and sure enough that did pop up. So I'm just wondering if that's not a disease and that's more of a hereditary trait of the hair.

And just through centuries of breeding, you know, outside of the Sasquatch, you know, population, maybe they've lost their size because the way in the story that's told is that once these women came back pregnant with, you know, you know, so big foot baby. They did have a baby there. They would raise it as their own.

And then that baby would marry a local and so forth and so on over and over. So, you know, the DNA would be diluted, the more, you know, DNA you're introduced from, you know, regular humans. So, yeah, that's just one of my theories. But I think that's one of the reasons why this, quote-unquote, disease or anomaly is popping up. I just find it very interesting. Okay, so we have to get into your encounter now because I'm, I'm very excited to hear about this. Okay.

Your recent encounter. This is how it goes. J.C. Johnson contacts me and tells me that they're doing a DNA study, you know. He wants me to be up there to be part of it because I'm part of the team. And he said, you know, anybody you want to bring along. So I contacted Robert from KX and asked him, hey, you want to go and go with me to do this DNA study, we're going to go film us, you know, putting it together and meeting the professor.

And he was like, all right, let's go. He said, should have to bring any of the equipment? I was going to bring whatever. We can fit in the trip. So we load up when we head up there. And the location is on a private ranch, Jacobs Ranch. And we go up there and, you know, meet the owner. And it's a area where.

He has, I guess, formed a what he calls a frisbee part, a Frisbee course, Gulf Frisbee, I believe it's called. And there's some local camping going on, but only during the day it's a private, like it says, private property. Nobody's ought to spend the night there. There's light hunting, so there's a quail bird stuff, but no big game hunting there on property. So me, I'm kind of like, I can't be somewhere where there's been bigfoot reports, you know, and not try to look around and research. That drives me nuts. But we were just there to do this study. And so, you know, we're there.

You're hanging out. It's getting darker. And, you know, Robert are walking around. And Robert's a great tracker. And sure of everything that we hoped we would find out of, you know, past. researching we looked in certain areas for certain things and sure enough both things are popping up with you know scat and all the stuff that we had hoped we'd find so nightfall comes and we light up to know fire and put up the

sound equipment and everything and I want to do call blast but you know I'm reminded this is not a big foot hunt we're just together you know hanging out and doing this DNA deal which again I can't do I was like, we are in Bigfoot territory, man. We must research. And then Robert, Robert was the same way. And finally we convinced early to, you know, we're going to go do some, that's a game. So I decided I wanted to do some call blasting.

And while Robert was out and investigated in the area, you know, right around our camp. Yeah, you know, I started doing the call blast. And luckily, it actually actually. got some reaction, you know, that I was hoping for. And Robert came back and he'll tell me that, you know, we have some action, and we're hearing, he's hearing all kinds of stuff when something's walking around, you know, right nearby. So, me and him, we go out and, you know, we're not using any flashlights or nothing.

It's a moonlit night. And, you know, we're hearing something large and what sounds bipedal walking around in the force right next to us. And we walk up to this little area where it's an offshoot off of the San Juan River. And it's kind of a boggy little stream area of deal. Cows drink from it and, you know, walk through it and stuff. It's pretty fantastic. But there is a homemade bridge crossing it over to a field from the forest area.

And it's, you know, like two big giant PVC pipes with metal strapped to it. It's kind of a hokey. But it could hold my big butt up, so I was happy. It was kind of bouncing. A little bit scary. But Robert decided he wanted to follow into the deep darkness of this trail, with the animal trail, you know, down the way. And I told him I would, you know, hold right there because of the location.

If you could see it, you would see that nothing could pass by me without being seen, you know, you know, for a good distance either way. So I told him, I'll be right here. So he takes off that way, and I'm still doing everybody else is at the camp, and I'm sending out the bridge, and I hear a rustling sound, you know, right, right there in front of me across the little waterway in the bush, and I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. Because, you know, at this point, I don't know if it's a bear go-go-girl cow.

The list goes on. Because it's nighttime and we're in the wilderness and it could be anything, you know. Right. So I thought to myself, what could I do that could possibly in any way let me know what animal is stalking me? We're watching me or whatever you want to call it. So, you know, Bean and I have done research before on Sasquatch and, you know, had my other experiences. is one of the things that I've learned that Sasquatch does do well is imitations and mimicking. So I was like, I wonder if I could get a reaction from whatever this is, you know,

an intelligent reaction, not a, you know, just random animal I'm going to eat you reaction. So I pulled out, you know, across something out of my pocket and, you know, made a tapping sound, you know, towards this, you know, little area. And I went tap, tap, tap, tap. You know what he did? And I did it one more time. Tap, tap, tap. And then it did it back.

Tap, tap, tap. I'm not sure what it did it with. If it had little rocks next to it or what, but, or it did it with teeth, like, which bears can do. You know, they do that whole, you know, snapping of their teeth. But it didn't sound like teeth. It sounded like it was tapping on something, like two rocks. So once it tapped back, I was like, oh, boy, there's a, big foot right there.

Robbers way over there. All the guys are way over at the camp and I'm right here hanging out with a big foot at a bridge and it's chilling like a troll you know, right there at the bridge. It's not like, holy crib. Here we go. You know, so I tap again.

I'm curious and I'm like, I wonder if it'll do it again. So I'd do it again. Tap, tap, tap. And it does it back. Tap, tap, tap. I'm like, oh. You know, I'm like, holy ground.

And really a bigger. This is awesome. So, you know, I do it again. I tap, tap, tap. We're tapping to each other. It's a form of communication to me. It lets them know that I ain't trying to be all crazy with them. And it lets me know that they're actually, you know,

taking the time to do it back, you know. And it doesn't sound like they're being aggressive. Whatever it is, whatever it is, it's not being aggressive. So I, you know, I'm kind of excited. And I would say to give an exact distance from where I was, I would say maybe 15 feet where I'm standing there. So it was, I'm standing here. You got rickety bridge going over the water.

And to my right is the tall, boggy grass, you know. And that's where it's right there at the edge of the bridge. The bridge is only, you know, good 20-foot, you know, piece foot thing, what are you going to call it, you know, built up edifice, whatever you're going to call it, bridge. But, yeah, so I, you know, I'm going to start, you know, Robert, I'm, you know, Robert, get over here, Robert. Get over there, man. And he finally comes over.

He's like, all right, let's go back this way, man. He's with some good stuff this way. And I was like, oh, we don't need to go anywhere. He's right there. And he was like, Jesus, come on, man. Stop messing around, because I like to joke around a lot. So he was like, come on, man, stop messing around. I mean, seriously, it's right there, dude.

It's right there. And he's just looking at me kind of in my, okay, buddy. And I was like, watch, watch. And I do the tap thing, right? Tap, tap, tap, tap. Nothing. No, you're not. Don't do this to me now.

Tap, tap, tap, tap. You know, ta-da-ch-cha-trap. Come on. And it does one tap. Tap. And I look at Robert. I'm like, huh? There you go.

Right there. And he was like, well, I kind of heard it. And I'm like, oh. And then it moved. So it moved. He's moved and when it ruffled in the bush and he was like, I was like, yeah, I told you dude has been going to tap to me this all time asswear.

It's right there. And Robert, he is, he likes to dive into his work, we'll just say. So Robert takes a flying leap, literally into the bush. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, towards a big foot. And I'm like, holy crap. Robert just is attacking the Bigfoot.

What's the hell is going on? And Robert, he's on his hands and he's crawling to the bush and you can hear, you know, whatever this was, the alleged Bigfoot, like I said, I didn't get to take a picture of it personally and get a photograph. But the Bigfoot got up and was moving. It was on the move. So I yelled at Robert because Robert was like, holy crap, I found where it was sitting. It's still warm, you know.

It's all flattened out right here. And I was like, all right, Robert, I'll head them off at the past. So I ran around the corner. I mean, not like I could do anything, you know, like, I'm going to stop a big foot. But, yeah, I ran around the corner. And I stopped. And mind you, like I said, we're all, we're just using our own night, personal eye vision, our eyeballs. It's a real moonlit night, real bright.

It was a full moon. And Robert had his camera with them, but he hadn't turned it on yet because we hadn't seen the action. And I guess it kind of called him off guard. so he didn't start filming it. So I ran around the corner, and I, you know, I'm facing the, you know, the wooded area. And behind the wooded area, you can kind of see silhouettes passing through onto the field because it's so bright, you know, moonwise. So I can see the, you know, the silhouette of all the tree branches and, you know, all that fun stuff.

And I hear Robert's voice. I'm looking, I'm like, that looks like a shape of something, you know, the person. That's a big person. I was like, huh. That looks like a big foot sheet, you know? I'm just going to stay, not moving too much, and I hear a voice go, Jesus, can you hear me? Can you see me?

And I'm looking at this big giant shit that looks like a bitfoot, but it sounds like Robert. And I'm like, huh, yeah, bro, you're going to point out with my left hand. I point him, like, yeah, you're right there, dude. You know, I'm pointing. And he was like, no, can you see me? And now I can really pinpoint where the voice is coming from into the right. Yeah, down lower on the ground.

Sure enough, there's Robert's taking an E. And I'm like, oh, man. With my right hand, I put it in him. I go, yeah, you're right there, you know. But if you're right there, that means it's right there. You know, that's a good one keep right there next to you. And he jumps out of the cheese and he runs over to me. And now he's looking there too.

And once again, it takes off. So it starts, you know, crashing through the forest. Well, more crunching, not crashing, crunching through the forest because, you know, the leaves and stuff. Right. Breaking trees down King Kong status. So we continue down the trail, you know, jogging, keeping up with it going through the, you know, the trees. And Robert tells me to hold right before the bend of the trail. and he continues and he gets down on the ground

and just when he turned down to his camera. And he's not looking through the camera because it's really bright. You know, once you look at that little screen in the dark and you look away from it, we're pretty much blinder than that, you know, with no echo radar, you know, cool tools so we can see.

So he's on the ground. You know, I'm standing there and we're hearing all kinds of, you know, moving around and stuff. now it sounds like there's more than one there and I'm standing there and where we're standing is a little soft dirt so there's like no leaves on there and so

we're not making any movies I'm not moving too much and now I'm getting comfortable I'm like well I'm going to be standing here for a second you know we're researching so I kind of adjust myself and I take a step to the left a little bit and something in front of me that's just in the darkness moves too you know, adjust itself. And I'm like, whoa.

There's a big foot right there in front of me. You know, I'm just like, oh, crap. Good call, Robert, where are you going to stop? And so I'm like, I wonder, and I moved to my right. And it does it too. It steps. I'm like, huh. Robert's over there, you know, he's dealing with two other ones.

And he's got, you know, we've got the audio, the video. of the audio with audio of them, you know, making all the walking around and stuff right there. And while you're watching his video, you know, unbeknownst to him is I'm standing there dealing with this one. So me being me, you know, I like to experiment. And, you know, how often you get to have actual, you know, Sasquatch to experiment with? So I take a step to the left. And it takes a step to the left or to the right. I couldn't see it at the time, but I know it's stepping.

You can hear it. So I'm like, okay, okay. I think it's the same one that I was, you know, messing with earlier with the tap, tap, tap. I'm messing with Sasquatch. And, you know, so I take another step and it takes a step. I'm like, oh, this is so cool. I take another step and it takes another step. It's like mimicking me.

So I'm just, you know, like Bigfoot's heaven heaven. And I take another step to the right. But this time, it takes like four. four steps towards me, you know? And I didn't expect that. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And it's standing, I'd see maybe seven feet in front of me now. And I can see that it's standing there, you know, like the silhouette and off of the moon.

Like just barely I can see the, you know, the highlights on the nose and cheekbone area, you know. There's nothing that can see eyeballs or nothing like, but I could see that it was very large. Bigger than me. I'm six foot three or four hundred pounds. I'm a big guy. and I felt really small, you know, but it wasn't, it didn't seem angry. I didn't have the feeling like, I was about to rip off my legs and beat me with it. So I didn't run or nothing.

And apparently at that point, as soon as they had stepped up to me, the other two, like, stepped out towards Robert. We were coming out, and he got up and decided it was time to meet back up with the guy. So I'm standing there, and Robert passes behind me, tasks me on the, short and says, dude, we got to go, we got to be coming out, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. So he doesn't realize that I'm facing it. You know, I'm looking at the Sasquatch. And I kind of just look back at the, because I get standing right there, you know, I just look back and I kind of shrugged my shoulders and wave goodbye.

And I said, I go to the camp. And, yeah, you know, told the guys what had happened. And that's when they made their second trip back out there with a Junebug. and yeah it's when him and jumbug had the same group went to the same little spot we were at and they had you know multiple rocks doing that and which is we have on on video the rocks being thrown the the the eyes shine showing when it's thrown the you know one of the the fast squash pops out just creepy super creepy from behind a stump and uh yeah you see the eye pop out and then whack they get hit with the rock and then you see the eye go right back behind the tree

her stump, whatever, gonna call it, you know, post. And, yeah. Yeah. I saw that video of Junebug, and he actually got a pretty decent scrape on his face. And I know that J.C. had said, you know, oh, they weren't, they weren't aiming for him.

It just, you know, kind of beaned off something else. And then it hit him in the face. So he wasn't, he wasn't proposing that they were throwing it directly at Junebug. So, you know, I like to, you know, I like to. joke running and be like, yeah, they didn't like you guys. They threw rocks at y'all. They're like me.

They were all, you didn't throw anything at you. Yeah, they're doing the hokey pokey with me and, you know, tap in the way. And what was funny was that that night after the, you know, I went back and they, I was listening to the parabolic, you know, recorder while they went out for the second mission. Yeah, it was tapping at Robert. tap tap tap and you hear in the recording Robert say what the hell is he doing that for why is he tapping and I'm like because I started at first I was tapped in earlier you know and we're going back and forth so I'm guessing it was waiting for Robert to do it back which it never did so he threw a

rock out from behind and earlier before they had just went out of jack being jack were at the edge of force of listening to them, you know, walking around right there. They are right there, very close to us. We could hear them, you know, and all that fun stuff. We had already found tracks the night before, or the day before, from, you know, footprints and whatnot, too. So we know they were coming through there. And, yeah, you know, we kept hearing the tracks,

and they finally got quiet, and it was so near, I was a watchtack. And I got a rock. I didn't throw hard rock, you know, like, wham, I'm trying to be. two of throw rocks at your size watch. But I kind of lobbed the rock into the branches and see if I could, you know, get them to move around a little bit again because it's got a really quiet on it. And sure enough,

for some of them I love the rock and you could hear them moving around and stuff again, you know. And that's right when we finished doing that, that's when Robert and Jubug walked up. We're going in and we're like, okay. So they did that when they went in and they had rocks thrown out. So I don't know if that was

a retort. to me throwing a rock or they just wanted to throw rocks at them. But, you know, if you watch the video now, there was a total of four rocks thrown all together throughout that episode that we got on film. And Jesus, as far as your sighting of the shadow with the figure that you saw, did you get some inclination that there was hair or fur or anything like that? Yeah, yeah. No, it was covered in fur.

Not for sure. I could see the outline. and it was a furry outline. I said the best look I had physically of the outside outline of it was when it first was, you know, when Robert first went after it, because I saw it full on standing up silhouette, you know, the furry humanoid being standing in front of me that looked at least between a minimum of like six, nine to seven foot. I've been around NBA players, around NFL players and other judges.

and other giant bouncers and bodyguards that I worked with. And so I have a pretty good idea of how big that is. And I know I know I'm not the biggest dude out there. But yeah, it was furry. It was definitely furry. And then, like I said, when it walked up to me, it was so close. Yeah, once again, it looked like it had a furry head, you know, like as in, you know, like how we have hair on our head.

You could see the face was different from the head part in the sides of the basics, the way the moonlight was shining that night. I could definitely tell it was not a regular human. Oh, very cool. Thank you. Oh, definitely the next day. No, Jesus, go ahead. Yeah.

I'm sorry. But where I had told them, I said, dude, I go, I swear it was standing right there in front of me. You know, I was telling them, they didn't get to see, but the next day only went out to look. Yeah, sure enough, right there where I said it was standing, we found an impression. in the grass right there where it was going. I wish I had 16 shoes. You know, it's not little. And my feet with the shoes on were still smaller than the footprint that was embedded in the grass.

And like I said, I weigh 400 pounds. And I put my foot next to it and I stomped and stomped and stomped and jumped and jumped around a little bit. I still cannot squish the grass hard enough, you know, to make the same kind of impression that it left with a bare foot. What a great fine to corroborate the story. Oh, so cool. That is cool. I appreciate you sharing that. Okay, now, before we run out of time, I definitely want to touch on the Falcon Project.

And first off, I want to congratulate you for, you know, getting on the team. You're on, you're listed as a field researcher. So you're on the ground crew. So congratulations. And, you know, I have to ask just to divulge whatever you can about that. I know people are, as you said before, it's kind of the same as finding Bigfoot. It's either people love it or they think it's, you know, they like to crap about it. So, but let's just, let's just go ahead and divulge whatever we can and give people more information and maybe change their minds.

Right. Okay. Well, first I want to start with, even within my own research, groups, there is different to be used on this project. Some people think it's a waste of time. Some people think it's awesome, you know? And once again, I still think that we're all in too early of a stage of research of this creature to discern what's going to work and what's not. You know, so to all those people out there, I think it's a bunch of nonsense and say, hey, that's nice. I appreciate your opinion and when you you get better you know evidence and research let me know you know we'll talk about it right until then i'm going with uh who's serious about it and taking it you know not as a joke and that's definitely what william barnes and of course Jeffrey meldrum and

all them are doing they're trying to go for the the the first official you know scientific study you know besides you know about the usual research and to the point that I Our goal is to prove, of course, its existence, but actually do a serious, you know, research into the creature itself, not just bookprints, hey, bookprints. And we want to actually learn about these different animals and follow different families that, you know, they've been tracked in those areas. So it's kind of, you know, like if anybody's familiar with Jane did all his work, yeah, you go out there for a long period of time and you, you know, get the primates, whatever one of these calls, you know, Sasquatch comfortable with us being there. And that's the whole idea of us being there for such a long time, you know, a period of six months at a time is so that, yeah, we're not, you know, disturbing, you know, the area just popping in and out in and out and, you know, scaring them more and letting them be comfortable. We do have a double blimp aerial drone that we'll be using. And William had to get permission from the FAA to fly it at the height we're blinded at.

And it has the equipment on it so we can zoom in for miles above on the smallest thing, all the way down to a mouse and you get a hidden signature. So what will be done is they'll be monitoring from the sky and that will guide us with which way and dictate which way the research team is going to, you know, head towards. And we're going to have runners, you know, going back and forth. Not every day. It's not going to be every day. We don't have people running back and forth making, you know, big old noises and causing

problems for our research. But, yeah, because we will be out in the field so long, all those other researchers, yeah, they, you know, going to have to bring us certain things every once in a while out to the location. we will be a good 12 miles or more into the forest in our first location. It will be in Washington. Of course, I can't give an exact location because, you know, we don't want everybody rushing over there. Right.

Yeah, this study is going to, you know, it's supposed to, you know, go for years, you know, years long. And William, he's a really good dude, and he intends on eventually. paying us all after we've been trained in forensics and all the other things that we need to be trained into to be actual field researchers and turn this into a job and a serious scientific study I plan on writing multiple scientific papers on what's happening what's going on and you know whatever the goal is of the team for a Vulcan project you know I'm going to put forward first and of course any other you know spare time I have to write on my own you know, I'll be writing my own pieces and, you know, stuff on the subject.

That's fantastic. Yeah, huge congrats on that. I think that the six months spent in the field and with the drone in tandem, I do hope that you guys, you know, are going to find what you're looking for at least to get maybe, you know, more funding, more support. and, you know, one thing I was curious about, I'm always curious about the logistics. I know the list has been released, and I know a couple of you guys on that list for the ground crew. Are you guys, and I know that you can't answer all these questions, and that's completely fine just for, you know, anonymity purposes for the project. But are you guys camping all together, or is it kind of like little teams spread out? to wherever the drone might be flying over?

Well, actually, what we're going to do is we're going to be doing the buddy system. I'm just kidding. What we're going to be doing is half of the crew is going to be considered day crew, the other half night crew. So we're going to have 24-hour surveillance. So while the day crew's doing their thing, you know, hopefully I won't be snoring too loud. But, yeah, I'll be, I'll be, you know, doing the night crew. and yeah we're going to have you know a specific area we're all going to stay at home base will be I'm guessing at the edge of the forest with the you know with William and everybody else

that's going to be you know analyzing all the stuff that we provide with them because that's another reason we need the runners also as we gather in evidence they can be bringing it back to headquarters to be analyzed you know right but yeah it's definitely we're going to be as a group together and just taking shifts constantly. So there's no time at all we can have the story of, well, we were all asleep. All kinds of hell broke loose and we didn't know what was going on. And darn it all.

We missed all the action. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah, we're going to have 24 hours surveillance from above, from below, you know. And being out so long, we'll be able to determine, of course, And due to the whole trial and error as in what's working, what's not working. And it will evolve over time, of course. Well, and I suppose what's nice is having who you have on the project, they realize that you guys all might need to be flexible, including up to the very top and to change your plans.

That's great. Yeah. I think it's a good thing to do what he's doing. I'm very, very appreciative of all his hard work. William put together working on this. Well, at the very least, people have to give credit to the fact that it is innovative. They put a lot of time to finally get the funding, and now they have a good crew in place. So that's awesome.

Now, Jesus, where can people find you and what you do in your work? Well, now, if we're talking about, like, movie-wise, let's see. You can go on to I.m.d.com, which is Internet Movie Database, and go to the church engine and type in Jesus Jr., just a J.R., not the whole word. And it'll pop up in my name, and you click on that, and it'll give you a good list of movies and TV shows I've been on. I'm all over Walmart and all in your local video stores and red boxes. And you can find me on the Internet. I don't have, I have a website up, but it has not been inundated with all the wildness of my life just yet because I have to figure exactly how I'm going to present everything that's involved with what's going on in me. But my Facebook is Facebook.com slash Jesus Jr. 2012, all one word.

I already have the 5,000 person limit, but you could still write to me. And from there, I can direct you to my other sites. You just jump on the Internet, Google, type in Jesus Jr. Actor and all kinds of websites will pop up my Facebook, my Instagrams. I have like 12 different Facebook pages that I run, you know, from football stuff to, you know, charities and all kinds of fun stuff. But, yeah, you know, if you do have any reports or questions, you know, you guys can email me at, Big Botts Entertainment 365 at gmail.com with any questions. Like I said,

hit me up on my Facebook or my Twitter account is also Jesus Jr. 2012, you know, Twitter.com slash Jesus Jr. 2012. And yeah, anybody, you know, needs to get a hold with me.

My phone number is public, you know. I wish everything's something crazy for doing, but, you know, get reports and get phone calls. Right. But my number is 575-491-7801 if you need to reach me an impression.

It's not just a question like, well, was it like working with Mark Waldberg? You know, it's like... Which you get all the time, and I am not going to ask that. Yeah, for good reason, you know. But, yeah, that's the best way you can reach me, unless you're, you know, part of a Sasquatch Chronicles, you know, group or KX group, you know, blogs. Yeah, you were very active and I just want to tell everyone that you are, you make yourself accessible and you are so nice. And I just want to say thank you.

And I know that you and I have discussed the fact that we need to be in contact more. And I definitely feel that. So it's always good to, you know, collaborate with people that have the same interests. And we certainly do with Sasquatch. So I truly appreciate you coming on. And thank you so much for sharing your encounter and spending time with me tonight. Thank you for having me, and I think you're awesome, you know. Thank you very much, Jesus.

I want to thank everybody out there that took the time to listen to this podcast. And so I say thank you to all of you out there, and I hope you guys are safe and not getting thrown around by Sasquatch. Yeah, keep your limbs intact, please. Right. Good time. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. Have a good night.

So before I close out the show, I wanted to. wish Miss Carol Ghermer a very happy birthday. And on next week's show, I wanted to go ahead and plant this out there for everybody. I'm having on with me, John and Adam. John has had his own encounters, and Adam like me, has not seen one, but is very interested in the subject. So next week, it'll be more of a roundtable type format, and I'm planning on making. making it a heavy call-in show. So I hope some of you will join us for that. And don't forget to check out our website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, where you can join as a member and get extended shows and content. Thank you for listening. Have an amazing week.

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