Sasquatch Chronicles - The Wrap Up Show with Shannon

Episode Date: November 25, 2014

Join Shannon as she does a wrap up of Sundays show and discusses recent encounters.

Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles' wrap-up show with Shannon LaGroe. Give us a call at 646-716-8791. Good evening and welcome to the wrap-up show. The topic for this evening is Hunters and Sasquatch. Our guest last night, Jim, to me, he had the type of encounter that many would probably choose not to have. You know, not only was he, did he have a creature that was aware of him, but it was staring him down and he was alone in the middle of the woods. So not a very good situation to be in. As far as my co-host tonight, let's go ahead and bring him on.

He is a gentleman that has reorganized and executed the original Texas Bigfoot Conference in October of this year. He has a podcast called the CryptoCast, and he holds the title for the longest running crypto blog on the net, Cryptomundo. Hello and welcome Craig Will Heater. Hey, Shannon. How are you doing tonight? I am doing excellent. Thank you so much for coming on tonight. Hey, no problem. I'm always, always interested in talking Bigfoot. I know that you are. Now, I, I, I, I, I, definitely am excited to hear about everything that you have going on, but I kind of wanted to

at least start out by asking you how you got into this whole thing, because, you know, having the title of the longest running crypto blog is, that's really something, you know, to brag about, I think. Well, yeah, just this September, Cryptomundo has been on the internet for a little overnight, years so you know back back in the day there weren't you know any crypto blogs I guess when when I first started the site you know blogging was kind of in the infancy and it's so it's you know I've been keeping the site talking about cryptozoology and Bigfoot

I'm interested in all subjects, not just Bigfoot, but all of cryptozoology as a whole. And so I just wanted to create something that, you know, people could kind of have a catch-all for everything that's out there. I mean, I get tons of criticism about the site, you know, oh, you promote. you know, you must be in, you know, the back pocket of Animal Planet because you promote finding Bigfoot or, you know, or even the other destination America shows. Yeah, yeah, and I just, I just, you know, put stuff out there and let people make up their own mind, you know, to inform them that the shows are on if they want to watch them. I mean, you know, I'm not making anybody do anything other than just.

want to, you know, try and put everything out there that's crypto-related for people to be able to check it out. So, you mean, you did. You know, it's pretty exciting to me. I mean, Cryptomundo, like I said, it's kind of long in the tooth. And, you know, everybody and their brother's got a crypto blog now. But, you know, it's still ranked pretty high on a site that's called Ranking.com that ranks all of the you know, websites out there on the internet. It's ranked, you know, like Google, I think, is number one.

But it's ranked number 4,490 out of all the websites on the internet. So, I mean, it's still, you know, it's still popular. People like to go to it and read. And like I said, I try not to do a whole lot of editorial. I mean, I try to put the stuff out there and let people, you know, read it, make up their own mind, discuss it. But so that's kind of the story behind Cryptomundo. I got interested in this subject as a kid because we had a local monster here, the Lake Worth monster when I was a kid. And so I got interested, you know, in the subject because of that.

And then a couple years later saw the legend of Boggy Creek that was set. you know, not far from my home about a Sasquatch type creature. So, you know, as a kid, I was always interested in this stuff. But in 1994, I had a sighting of what I can only describe was a Sasquatch in Louisiana. That I was on a, I'd gone from Memorial Day to New Orleans with a bunch of friends. and was on my way back to Dallas and saw a tall, upright, bipedal, hair-covered figure

off to the right of the road as we were driving back about 11.30 at night, out in the middle of nowhere. And we did a recreation for finding Bigfoot, filmed that back in January, and it aired in June of this year. I think it was Beast. to the bayou.

And so that was a cool experience, you know, finally going back, finding the exact location of where it happened and filming the recreation of that event. So, but, you know, that's kind of my history. I started, after that, I started a Bigfoot Research Organization here in Texas in 1999. The Texas Bigfoot Research Center organized the Texas Bigfoot Conference after attending the Ohio Bigfoot Conference and, you know, thinking, hey, you know, I can do something like that down in Texas. So I was inspired by Don Keating's conference that I first attended in 2000. And in 2001 organized the first Texas Bigfoot Conference. And so, you know, that's just kind of, you know, I guess kind of my history in a nutshell there.

Now, Craig, you already being so into Bigfoot. but what was it like for you to actually see one? Well, you know, I was into it as a kid. I mean, in my adult life, I really wasn't into it. It wasn't something that I had kept up with over the years other than, you know, my teenage years. So it was, you know, it was a big surprise when we saw something on the side of the road. I mean, my girlfriend was with me and another person that was.

a friend of mine that was asleep in the back seat. So it wasn't by myself, but I mean, you know, we just saw in the headlights of my car off to the right. We saw, you know, like I said, and it was only about 15 feet off to the right of the road, but a tall, upright, hair-covered figure that was walking. You know, it was actually moving. Its back was to us. I mean, it wasn't stationary object. It wasn't a stump.

It wasn't, you know, I don't. I don't know what it could have been other than one of these things. I mean, you know, people say, well, maybe you saw a bear. Well, you know, a seven-foot-tall bear walking on its hind legs in the middle of the night in the dark. I don't think so. You know, one radio show, one radio show interview I did, it was kind of a morning zoo radio show suggested that it was Shaquille O'Neal and a full-length fur coat because, you know, Hey, he went to school at LSU.

So I pretty much hung up with them right after that. But, you know, it was something that, you know, was very pivotal, very influential to me. Like I said, I wasn't an outdoorsman by any means. Like some of the people were going to be talking about hunters and such. But, you know, it's something that I experienced that I could not explain away. And so, you know, I wanted answers. So I started a big, Bigfoot research organization because of, you know, this. Well, Texas is a busy place anyway for not just Bigfoot, but other cryptids.

So it's, you know, it's a great state to be in if you're interested in that. I think so. I mean, it's a cool, you know, it's a cool state. I've lived here my whole life. I'm a native Texan. So I definitely am interested in, well, I said a wide range of cryptids and such. I mean, you know, my focus has been, you know, Bigfoot that I've investigated, you know, here in the four-state region of Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana.

I mean, I'm interested in stuff, you know, throughout the country. But, you know, I focused my interest on reports that I could, you know, put my eat on the ground within a couple of hours and talk to a witness. Now, besides Bigfoot, what's your next favorite cryptid if you could pick one? Well, what's my next favorite cryptid? You know, I really dig, I really dig like lake monsters and stuff, but I really wouldn't be interested in investigating them. I mean, it'd be tough to investigate, you know, water aquatic cryptids just because, you know,

that's not our domain. Plus, you know, jaws ruined, you know, ruined it for me, getting in the ocean or anything like that. So I don't like water that I can't, I can't see the bottom and I can't see my feet. So I mean, my idea of water to be in is, you know, is a swimming pool. And so there's really, you know, with what? There was that one, what, a couple, you know, a month or so ago, that guy that went on vacation and came home and found what, big foot footprints and

in the moss in his pool or whatever. Yes, I saw that. So, you know, I could, you know, I might track that, that big foot, you know, in the swimming pool. You're like, that water works for me. Yeah, all that hair in the drain and everything or in the filter. So now I know that you, you have a lot of, you know, with your investigative background, you were like, well, this is perfect if we're talking about hunters. And I went online and I just, a cursory.

research and U.S. Fish and Wildlife says that they have between, and this is a big sprawling number, but they have between 23 million and 43 million individuals in a given year registered as hunters. So I thought that was pretty striking. That is a huge number. And what do you, you know, what's your thoughts on that? I know you already said that, you know, it's not hard to imagine why hunters see so many of these things, you know, of their proximity. Well, yeah, I mean, that's in my experience of, you know, 15 years of investigating, you know, Bigfoot sighting encounters, you know, the largest percentage of those, well, the different groups

of individuals that have the most reports are hunters, you know, the second most is, are, you know, just like roadside encounters, road crossings, or like, somebody seeing something on the side of the road, but, you know, hunters report the most sightings. And I know your guest last night was talking about, you know, that hunters generally don't report sightings. But, you know, the vast majority of people don't report sightings. I mean, I dare say that, you know, I don't even know what percentage of people that actually see a Bigfoot actually report it to somebody. but I would say that it's very small percentage. You know, a lot of people have no idea, you know, who even to report it to.

But the greatest number of, the greatest segment of eyewitnesses that I've encountered are hunters. They're out in the woods. They're out, you know, they're out where these things are. You know, for there to be a Bigfoot sighting report, there has to be two things. There has to be a big foot or, you know, whatever you want to call it, a big foot or Sasquatch there in the area, but there also has to be a person there to see it. And the thing about them seeing it is, you know, generally speaking, these are just a brief moment in time of what's going on during that Sasquatch's day, you know, for people to say, oh, well, Sasquatch do this or Sasquatch do that. well, you know, they, you know, they may have witnessed it for a brief few seconds.

I mean, I saw it for seven or eight seconds. And, you know, I wouldn't, would dare not dare say that, oh, well, Sasquatch walk 15 feet off to the right of the road. You know, that's what they do because that's what I saw. I mean, you know, it was just a very brief moment in time. So, you know, most, most. exciting encounters are, you know, a brief flash of seeing something that people aren't, you know, have no, aren't accustomed to sing. Generally speaking, Sasquatch, you know, Bigfoot researchers or whatever you want to call, these people that go out and look for these things are, you know, largely not the people that are seeing them. I mean, they're seen largely by people as, you know, an accident, I think, an accident on the Sasquatches part that they were seen.

I don't think that they are out there trying to be seen by any means. Absolutely. And so, you know, Jim. You know, it's the people that are outdoors, you know, hunters, fishermen, hikers, campers, you know, those are the people that are, you know, out in the bed. habitat where these things are probably, you know, at most of the time. And these are the people that, for the most part, are seeing them. Do you think with hunters especially, maybe the, you know, some sort of a hunter's code where you have to be, you know, braver than most or something, do you think there's more of a fear of ridicule for them to not speak? You know, Jim last night

said that besides myself, Wes and Will, that he had only told, two people. And I know that in a lot of counters, that's the case. They just don't talk about it. It's a Sasquatch, right? So most won't believe you. But I'm just wondering if it's more so within the hunter population to keep it quiet. You know, like I said, I don't think that that's necessarily the case. I mean, I've talked to a lot of people, you know, over the course of 15 years, you know, hundreds of people that have said that they've seen, you know, one of these creatures or maybe even multiple creatures. But I think just as a general rule, anybody that sees one is hesitant to tell somebody about it because it is, you know, I've had, you know, people, you know, I've had

grown men break down crying on the phone telling me their story because they've never been able to tell anybody, not even their spouse. It's a secret that they've had to keep because if they've tried to tell somebody, somebody's laughed at them or called them names or said they were crazy or drunk or, you know, whatever. So like I said, I think as a general rule that it's a very small percentage of sighting, you know, encounters that happen that are reported.

I don't think that as a general rule, hunters are less likely than anybody to tell their story. I just think, you know, people in general are less likely to tell their story because they don't want to be, made fun of or laughed at or called names or whatever. So I think, you know, that's my personal opinion. Is that just, you know, a very small percentage of people, any people that see one tell anybody about it?

Now, I know it's probably hard for you, you know, to pull yourself back, you know, prior to your encounter and prior to, you know, maybe really getting into the subject. but if you had been alone in the car and seeing what you saw, I mean, can you go, yeah, I probably wouldn't have told very many people? Well, that's the thing about my story is that, you know, I wanted to stop, but my girlfriend, you know, refused. I was driving a little Azizio Amigo, a little soft top Jeep kind of thing and had the top up because it was Memorial Day.

It was actually this year was the 20th anniversary of that siding, May 30th, 1994. And, you know, so we didn't stop. We drove for about another 10 or 15 minutes and pulled into a just a church out in the country. And we pulled in, and my friend was still asleep in the back seat, and we talked about it for about 10 minutes. You know, but here's the funny thing is we got back on the road, and I don't even remember us talking about it the rest of the drive, much less, you know, didn't talk about it to anybody, really. when we got home, it just wasn't something that we talked about. Until in 1997, when I got on the Internet, and probably the first thing I looked up was Bigfoot,

and found, you know, this is 1997. So, you know, there were very few websites. I mean, that was, you know, really public Internet. That was very early days. There were message boards and forums and stuff out there. And, you know, I did encounter people that were into this. And so, you know, kind of got into the community there and started talking about my encounter at that point. And then met another guy that lived here in North Texas, and we formed the organization in 1999.

But, you know, it wasn't something that I really talked about, not for fear of anything. I don't even remember why. It's just, I just don't remember talking about it. Yeah, I just didn't come up. Yeah. Now, Craig, what are, what are some of your favorite stories that you've investigated? Well, I'm going to, I'm going to put a link in here. I'm no longer affiliated with the organization.

They go by the North American WoodApe Conservancy. it was the Texas Bigfoot Research Center that reorganizes the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy, and they changed the name. But most the siting reports are still on that website. I just posted a link to an encounter that I think is the most amazing one that I was involved with. It's pretty famous on the Internet. It's the Pinella County Hog Hunter Report. It's an amazing encounter.

that just to me shows, you know, these things, these things are animals. I'm not one to think these things are human by any means. I don't know for a fact, but I just know that the behavior that I've witnessed doesn't appear to be human, in my opinion. it appears to be, you know, an animal of some type, an unknown primate. But that story that I just posted, I mean, it was a guy that was in a tree stand that was hunting hogs, and he had this Sasquatch that, you know, came into his hunting area. And, you know, I mean, it's just an incredible report. this thing leapt from tree to tree and grabbed this hog and basically while this guy this hunter is

sitting in his tree stand watching it and basically pin in his pants this thing grabbed this hog and just slammed it against the tree and killed the hog and then you know pretty much tucked it up under its arm and as it's leaving the area with the hog looks back up over at the hunter you know just like here. Hunter last night was talking about. I mean, but, you know, locked eyes with this guy, Hunter, and then just made this ungodly scream yell that just, you know, like I said, chilled him to his bones.

And, you know, it's amazing encounter. It's one that, you know, I caught a lot of grief on. People were wanting more details and wanting to know the witnesses' information. You know, they wanted to talk to them or whatever. And it's just like, you know, it's just like, well, no, we give our witnesses confidentiality. You know, we're sharing the report for people to, you know, to check it out and, you know, to see, you know, in the possibility that, you know, somebody sees a similar report that they've had and then might report their, you know, might not feel so strange or crazy or whatever and report their encounter. but the you know that report is is an amazing report it was the witness was interviewed there wasn't a I don't believe there was a there wasn't a recreation of that but on

autumn Williams old show on Outdoor Life Network mysterious encounters that witness was actually was actually he recounted the story on that for that show. So, you know, that's one of the most amazing ones. Somebody in the chat room said, I'd like to read that story from start to finish. You know, I posted the link to the actual report so Bobby Reich or whoever can, you know, go click that link and go read that report that includes the investigators' comments as well.

But, I mean, it's just an amazing story. That's actually a particularly, like, terrifying encounter for him to go through it. What was his, I mean, how did he feel about that? Did he ever go out hunting again? Yeah, he went out hunting again, but he didn't, he didn't go back to that same area. Yeah. You know, like I said, I've talked to quite a few hunters. I've got links to reports that I investigated that, you know, hunters that that had encounters like this. And, you know, some of the people, you know, did say that, you know, I know a couple of people that I, you know, talked to that had encounters that were hunters, lifelong hunters, that, you know, stated that after they had this encounter, that, you know, they never went out in the woods hunting again. I mean, you know, they were, it was that traumatic of an experience that it changed their life, that they just didn't want to, um, you know, be in a situation where they might encounter something like that again.

It was that solidizing for them. Yeah, I know that after Wes and Woody's encounter, you know, Wes ended up selling all his hunting gear. You know, he was done with it. Yeah, I mean, that happens, you know. People, I've got a really cool story that I'm going to post the link to. It was a report I investigated, but it was some really weird behavior. of a hunter that why does it keep going up the wrong report here anyway this guy was

deer hunting and he heard some strange sounds and he looked back over his shoulder and at first he thought he saw what was like a burned out stump tree stump it was pretty tall but it was just something that he didn't know what to make of it. He then went ahead and put his scope on it, and when he did, he noticed that it was not a tree stump. I mean, at first he thought, you know, it was like eight to nine feet tall, but he noticed that it was a large ape-like creature.

and it never even moved. I mean, he witnessed this thing for, he said about 15 to 20 minutes. I mean, he just watched it through his scope and said that, you know, if he wanted to, you know, he could have, you know, he could have dropped it, he thinks. That, I mean, he had it in his sights and, but he didn't do it.

And the strange thing about it is that while he was standing there was standing in some fairly tall grass. And what happened was he heard a strange sound over his shoulder. And when he turned to look to see what this was that was making the noise, he turned back around and the creature that had been standing there steady still for 15 to 3.5. 20 minutes was gone. He felt that it didn't even have time probably to, you know, to leave. And what he felt was that it had dropped down in the grass where it was out of sight. And it just really, you know, it just really creeped him out because, you know, of what he

saw. And now he didn't know where it was. I mean, it could have been, you know, very close by to him creeping up. up on him even I mean you know he just didn't know where it was but so he he left the area and you know I don't recall the details as far as without actually looking at the report online here but you know if he went back I mean this is a guy that I talked to you know back in you know 13 almost 13 years ago when I talked to him about this.

But there were, you know, there were with, you know, other people there that, um, had strange things that happened to them. Um, and like I said, um, he normally hunted from a blind, but for, for this day, he was just sitting on a stool in a creek bed and, and, uh, you know, um, like I said, it was just a weird experience for him. I've got a report that we investigated from Oklahoma. This one was featured on, I'm trying to think it was featured on one of the shows. It may have been the mysterious encounters show. It may have been that we did that was the Swampstalker that was focused there in Falk.

and south southeast Oklahoma. What year was that, Craig? Let me pull this report up real quick here. I think anything around Falk people really enjoy hearing. Well, this one was actually in Oklahoma, but it was a turkey hunter. Yeah, a turkey hunter that had, you know, like I said, it spooked the heck out of him. And he did not go back. He quit hunting.

He would not go back to the area. And, you know, it was just something that really affected him as far as wanting to, you know, go out and be outdoors. I mean, that was something that he had, you know, lived his whole life doing. And he pretty much quit. doing it after that. It just really, as a matter of fact, when our investigators were there with him, he wouldn't even go and show him where it took place. He just kind of pointed him in the direction and, you know, and just said, well, you know, it kind of happened over there. I mean, it just creeped him out so much. I mean, you know, kind of in that same area, we had another report that was submitted that

happened in 2001 where a guy that was hunting actually saw what he said, and he was a big foot skeptic until this sighting, but he said what he saw, he saw something that was weird actually in a tree. He was in a tree stand, and he noticed in another tree something that was large, large for something that was in a tree, but I mean, it was, you know, three to four feet tall that he, you know, so obviously a juvenile, but, you know, he said it reminded him of a chimpanzee, but that the facial skin was dark and brown. But I mean, he definitely, you know, saw this in the tree about 12 feet off the ground. And, you know, once again, it freaked him out pretty badly. because it was just not something that he was expecting to see.

Yeah, I know that, you know, we're talking about, you know, the assumption is it's an animal. I'm on the same page as you. And I know that primates are excellent climbers, obviously. But there's something just really unsettling to me about thinking about a Sasquatch in a tree. I don't know what it is. I'm like, please, God, don't let me see one like that. I don't want that encounter. I think one of the things is that when people are out in the woods, they generally aren't looking up in the trees.

They're looking down at the ground, you know, looking for, you know, footprints or some other kind of sign. And, you know, people just generally, you know, maybe not being looking up in the trees. So, you know, it would be kind of creepy to be out there walking around, looking around, and just happen to look up and see a Sasquatch and a tree there in the area where you are. I mean, that would be really creepy. I know I'd be creeped out. Yeah, that might be a little much. And I know you can't, you know, you can't choose your encounters. But I'm like, between the saskatch and a tree and one pushing on my tent, those are like the top two things that I'm like,

please don't let that be how I encounter a saskwash. Yeah, here's, I'll post a couple of them here now that actually took place that were reported from Miller County, Arkansas, which is where Falk is. A couple of reports from hunters that, you know, once again, like I said, these guys are out in the woods. They're, you know, they're observant. They're quiet. And I think that that, you know, that those things lead to them, you know, being conducive to having an encounter as opposed to somebody that's just, you know, a campsite.

Although, you know, I've had, I've investigated reports and talked to people that have had these things that have wandered into their campsite in the middle of night and rifled through their packs or whatever or through their, you know, their food stuff. So I think that, you know, like I was talking about earlier, is that they are generally seen by accident, but they also seem to be, you know, drawn to people, you know, be very curious because, you know, I've talked to I talked to a housewife that was washing dishes one evening. And this is probably another encounter you don't want to have, Shannon, because I don't want this one. But she's standing there in the kitchen washing dishes.

It just happens to look up to the window that overlooks the kitchen sink there and sees a huge, hairy face looking in at her washing the dishes. So, I mean, you know, these things seem to be drawn to checking people out. Yeah. You know, looking in windows and such. And maybe when they think that, you know, they're not going to be seen or observed, but, you know, sometimes they are. Yeah, we had a gentleman call in. It was probably a couple of months ago. and he had a saskatch that was peering in a very tall window down at one of, I believe it was one of his cousins, his female cousins.

And it had on its face what he perceived to be almost like a grin, like it was, you know, and it was just the, the eyes were bugging out of its head because it was staring at his female cousin. So that was, you know, those are especially creepy encounters when you hear that because they do seem to just get into this mode where they kind of forget that they're supposed to be. out of sight and really stealthy and they you know curiosity takes over well yeah i mean it's just you know something that people aren't expecting you know when you're not expecting something like that to happen um you know it's it's it's creepy um you know i and i think that for the most part when you know sighting and sighting encounters happen you know it's a surprise on both parties part you know not just the the person is not expecting it.

But like I said before, I don't think that the Sasquatch is expecting it either. Right. I think that if they, you know, they had their druthers that they would not be seen. People wouldn't, you know, see them. And like I said, I just think it's an accident. It's just one, it's certainly like case by case basis, you know, and it depends on, I mean, look at the report. that you've brought up, you know, some, it's changed your life in a really bad way. The one guy didn't even want to go over to where his encounter happened.

So it's just, it's who you ask. They're like, yeah, I was at the right place, right time, or some go, uh-uh, wrong place, wrong time. So. Sure, yeah. You know, depending on your, on your perspective. Yeah. You know, that, that is the case that is, you know, what these, these links aren't, for some reason, are not. Well, Craig, do you mind if we bring a caller on here?

Oh, no, not at all. I mean, yeah, anybody wants to call in if they got a questioner. They probably get more of a question for you than they do even me. That probably isn't the case, but let's see here we have Bobby. How are you doing tonight? Doing pretty good. Can you hear me? Sure can.

Okay. I'm doing pretty good tonight. Yeah, I got it. got questions or actually a few questions. And regarding the hunting out in the woods, I'm a hunter myself or ex-hunter now. After I had my last encounter, I gave it up totally. Yeah, us being out in there in the woods where by their streams they drink out of, where they sleep, where they eat, all the stuff they eat, we're around and constantly trampling through it.

so we're bound to see a lot more than anyone else. Either one of you hunt? I do not. I'm not a hunter. I'm not a hunter. Not a hunter. No, not a hunter, but I've talked to a lot of them. Yeah.

From what I hear from listening to Will and Wes and all them is that the Bigfoot liked to go up high at night. That's like one of the things that when we were out hunting them, My family, the zone that we have is the smallest zone there is in the state of California, and we chose archery. You can only choose rifle or archery in this state now. But we would go to tops of the hills and walk down and drive the deer to people on the road waiting below. That was one of our tactics, and one of those instances I did get growled at. but I also had some other wild experiences out there

and putting the face-to-face is the one that I gave it up at didn't know what my next encounter would be would probably be up and close and personal like wills but I didn't want to do that so yeah go ahead how often do you go out hunting I was when I did it I was an avid hunter any chance I got after

after school, I would either go out hunting or fishing, but unfortunately I live away from the wood. So at least twice a month, I would get up there with friends. We'd go, if it wasn't deer season, we'd go shoot squirrels or something along, that effect. But I'd spent a lot of time up there. And during archery season for deer, we'd go up for 10 days to two weeks at a time and then go again a month later for another week. So quite a bit of time.

One question I do did have, I don't know, maybe, you know, or maybe you can weigh in on it, is the familiarity of possibly Bigfoot's getting to know people in the area because that tiny little zone that I hunted in, we're the only ones that hunted there and I was there growing up from baby till even now what's the possibility of them getting used to what's looking at people

and getting familiar with people that are there constantly Bobby do you mean as far as like a specific person or just people in general maybe hunting and doing what you might be doing during hunting season specific people like up there my dad had one and I was just wondering if

it's possible that they could get used to the people being up there and seeing their faces and being a little more brave and coming in closer to us and showing off you know what I mean saying like you know they're there like I've been growled at

I've heard the samurai chatter I've been roared at That was the worst. And that was when a tree stand, like, kind of like Mike Woolie's just being down after doing my business in the woods. And he let me know he was not happy. Him and a buddy, actually. What do you think about that, Craig? Do you think after years they might recognize one person from another?

I definitely think that it's a possibility. you know, animals. I mean, your pet dog knows you over somebody else. I mean, you know, animals that I think that are probably a lot less intelligent than a Sasquatch are able to determine, you know, one person from another. So I don't see any problem with it at all. Yeah, because before I had any encounters, I was absolutely not afraid. I'd go tramping through the woods, up and down mountains.

I could do it by myself. I wasn't a bit scared, but once I had the encounters that last one where I've seen it face-to-face, then that was the end of it. But I covered a lot of territory. There's up there, there's lots of heat. I know they're probably migratory, the ones that are up there because the elevation is so high. and at that time of year, there is plenty to eat around there. So we're trampling through their spaces and they make themselves well known, at least to me anyways.

Now, Bobby, after you got roared at, you were done hunting? That was your time to check out of that activity? The roared was my fourth encounter. I was parked and I went and did my business. in the woods and then went up in my tree stand and no sooner than I had set down then um one or I mean it's like you know how intense a tyrannosaurus is they show in the movies roaring imagine that behind you with makes it afford that the tone was a lot lower that's what was there I couldn't see it I was scared to turn around but I eventually

looked over my shoulder and there was no way I could see well was behind me because of the limbs of the tree. But it was like 15 minutes later, and it had a buddy that did the same thing to the front of me over and to the left. And that was enough that. I never went back to a tree stand again. I waited like an hour before I got down and booked it for my ATD and got out of there. But the face-to-face one, I was road hunting. with family.

And it was me and my sister in the back of the truck, my dad driving, and somebody else with him. And I saw it face-to-face standing on the side of the road behind a tree that was probably five foot taller at him. He had the top of the tree pulled over, and he was looking at us. And we made eye contact, and it lasted about three to five seconds. And I looked away, and I looked back, and it was gone. That tree was swinging.

And I got a glimpse of it on all. all fours going downhill, but that did it no more. That's an interesting one. So it had the top of the tree and it was, the tree was bent all the way down to the ground towards it? Well, I had the top of the tree bent over, enough so it could look over and coming down the road. It was like probably five and ten feet off the side of the road

behind this tree. And all anybody else, every, the other people saw was the tree going, you know, crazy rocking back and forth where it let loose of it. Yeah, that would probably do it. And then it going away in all fours, that's another thing on the list. That's a little odd. But it seemed to be able to move pretty quickly from two to four, and it's for a reason.

So, well, Bobby, thank you so much for coming on. Yep. I really appreciate that. Yeah, thanks, Bobby. Now, I know tonight we, we know tonight we. need and want to give away a membership to our website, which is going live December 1st. It's Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's see who we have here.

541. Who am I speaking with? Hi, it's Pam, Purple Rose. Well, hello, Pam. How are you doing this evening? I'm doing good. I'm enjoying the chat room. Hey, I do have a question.

Absolutely. Absolutely. For anybody, maybe Craig knows. He probably will, yeah. You've got a good one on the line here. Yeah, I've enjoyed this talk. I've read his stuff for years. Hey, has he ever heard Bigfoot, Sasquatch, any cryptoid riding the rails, like hopping off of a train or someone viewing them go by on a train? I'm posting a link of one that somebody told me about to look at, and I just recently have been reading quite a few of these. I just thought that was interesting that they would hop on a train.

And I know they're commonly seen in railroad areas, and I just thought, hey, maybe they do. Has he ever heard of that? You know, I haven't heard, and I'm not familiar with this report of one that was actually hopping a train, But, you know, I do know that in my years of research that we did encounter, like you said, them using railways as a travel way, like through a forest, as well as, you know, like a highline power, you know, where they have it cut out for that right-of-way that these things would be seen using those areas as a way of travel because, you know, it's an easier way. to travel than through the forest. But so, you know, I don't know. I guess I would think that if a person can jump the train, that certainly a Sasquatch could.

Yeah. You know, I, you know, maybe the, you know, maybe it was a thing where the train was stopped and the Sasquatch was curious and climbed aboard an open train car. And then it took off and, you know, maybe somebody saw it jump out. I don't know. I've never personally heard of any or talked to anybody that's seen anything like that.

But that doesn't mean anything other than, you know, I haven't talked to them. There were several reports of it, and I just thought, wow, that's pretty odd, but, you know, anything's possible. Was there a video or a picture, Pam, that is that what you're meaning? there wasn't there something circulated a while back, a picture or video, but I think it was debunked, but of something on top of a train. Yeah. It's an interesting point, though. I think Craig might be spot on that it might just be a perception of, you know, maybe it got on while it was stopped and off again when it stopped. Once it reached its destination, ease of travel, right?

Like he said, so why not? Right. And I can't actually see the saskwatch, you know, with the stick, with the knapsack tied up, you know, the hobo deal over his shoulder, you know, traveling around. But like I said, you never know. Yeah, that would be a good one. Yeah, I just wanted to know if anybody else had heard of that. And I posted a link to that. And I've seen a couple of others now.

You know, it kind of spurred my curiosity. I hadn't seen those. have to check that out. Yeah. Hey, Shannon, maybe that's how you aren't you giving away a membership tonight? Well, Pam is the one. I wanted her to make sure she got out.

Yeah, Pam is a winner. Really? Pam, yes, ma'am. I didn't want to interrupt your questions, but yes, ma'am. So one year for Sasquatch Chronicles live on December 1st. Oh, my gosh.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we appreciate you listening. Thank you so much, Pam. No problem. I was going to suggest that maybe the person in the chat room who came up with the best contents of the Sasquatch Hobo pack, maybe that they would win the free membership.

I love it. That was just me. I love it. You know what? I'm live into the newsroom. The boss just said, we're going to give away one more membership to Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's see who we've got here.

Is this David? Hey. Well, hello there. How are you? Good evening. Excellent. Thank you very much. I wanted to let you know

that the boss said to give away one more free membership to Sasquatch Chronicles.com and you are it, sir. Lucky number two. Your boss is my friend. Well, he's still the boss, so I got to call my boss first,

and then he's a friend, right? Well, he's a friend. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You're like, hey, something free. I like you. I like you. Indeed.

Shannon, you still call David number two, though. That's not very good. Oh, yeah, that wasn't very nice, was it? Okay, you're tight. I've been called far worse. At least you're not the hobo Sasquatch, right? Exactly. As long as you call me for supper.

Yes, yeah. Well, guys got to eat. All right, David, just hang on the line and let West get your information, okay? Congratulations. All right. Thanks, Shannon. You betcha. Have a good night. You too. Now, Craig, do you have any more of these awesome stories?

You know what? I keep thinking about the Sasquatch, you know, dispatching the hog. I really, that's actually a pretty horrible story for somebody to see that. Yeah, it's pretty intense. I mean, like I said, not only that, but, you know, as it was carrying the hog off, that looked back over at him and locked eyes with him and, you know, screamed. So, you know, he pretty much evacuated himself at that point. Yeah. And, you know, after seeing something like that, you know, where this thing, you know, leapt, you know, several times in pretty good distances, you know,

I don't care how high in a tree stand you were, I can't imagine feeling safe, you know. Right. When you hear over and over again that, you know, a lot of these guys are out there with some pretty decent firepower and they, they're the first to say it wouldn't have been enough. You know, I probably just would have ticked off the Sasquatch and you hear that time and time again. So, you know, it makes me feel bad sometimes saying that, oh, gosh, I really want to see one, you know, and then you hear the stories of the people that are terrified to go into the woods. And, you know, it makes me feel a little guilty sometimes because there are those horrible stories out there. Well, sure. I mean, you know, you've got a subset of people that are out there that are trying to actively shoot and kill one of these. I mean, you know, if anybody saw the Destination America show killing Bigfoot, you know, these are people that are actively out there trying to shoot one.

And, you know, not to promote anything in particular, but, you know, in my opinion, all they need to do is go see Eduardo Sanchez's Big Put movie exists. And it might change their mind about wanting to go to war with one or more of these things. You know, that movie was really striking to me. I would hazard to say that I can't think of another, you know, I mean, Willow Creek was good, too, but exists. really struck me because at the end you find out that, you know, it's not just harassing and killing these kids for, you know, no reason. And I'm not going to have any spoilers, but, you know, that there was a motive at the end. There was a reason behind it.

And I was like, wow, that's really, that's really striking. Well, yeah, to me, you know, and I've seen probably every Bigfoot movie out there, but it is, in my opinion, you know, not only the best Bigfoot movie ever, but, you know, certainly the scariest Bigfoot movie ever. Yeah. You know, Willa Creek, like you said, is a great movie too. You know, not really a spoiler, but, you know, there's no Bigfoot even seen in Willa Creek. Right, right.

Yet that tent scene is, no pun intended, very intense. Yeah. It might, you know, I've heard from people that, like I joke about, Jaws ruined the ocean for me. Willa Creek may ruin tent camping for people, you know, that, you know, that there's very little, you know, just that a little bit of fabric, you know, separating you from the great outdoors. tent. Isn't it funny, though, the mental stability that you, the false insecurity that you get from being in that tent somehow, I guess, you know. Well, sure.

I mean, you know, and it may be more just because, you know, you can't be seen, you know, you're, you know, but I think, you know, any animal out there is going to recognize that that's not a, you know, a natural structure. It wasn't there yesterday. when they walked by and know that it's out of place. But yeah, you know, I know I wouldn't after seeing that movie, I definitely wouldn't feel safe

in a tent if something was coming up and just being around my tent for sure. Craig, I think I heard you guys, yeah, I heard you guys on the CryptoCast talking about this. that the tent scene was shot as one long scene. The what now? That the tent scene between those two actors was one long uncut scene. Yeah, it's like 19 minutes, you know, uncut, which is unheard of in the movie industry.

I mean, they did a really good job, and it transferred really well onto the screen when it was done. Oh, sure. Yeah. The Willa Creek is, you know, a scary movie. But it's also, it's funny. I mean, it's definitely got some humorous moments in it. Yeah. You know, I definitely rank it, and not to harken back to David, but I rank it number two on my list of Bigfoot movies.

Yeah. I got to go see it at a film festival that Bobcat was there, and so I got to talk to Bobcat, and I gave him a Bigfoot footprint cast from my collection. and, you know, got to hang out with him for a while and just, you know, really enjoyed the movie. Yeah. But, like I said, exist, you know, it takes it up another notch. I mean, the thing about exist for me is that, you know, you have all these big foot movies that come out.

And in my opinion, they're just made by, you know, whoever, pretenders that are trying to make a scary big, big thing. movie. And they try and they fail for the most part, most of them. But Eduardo Sanchez is a horror movie director. I mean, he directed the Blair Witch Project. He's directed other horror movies. And, you know, he just made, he made a horror movie, a scary movie that just happens to have Bigfoot in it. I told him joking around that, you know, it could have, it could have featured lepritons or yard gnomes, and it would still would have been a scary, freaking movie. Yeah, because he did it.

He knows and stuff. Yeah, it just happened to feature Bigfoot. And like I said, it's a great movie. It's suspenseful and it's scary. It's a scary movie. I think he did a pretty good job on his homework, you know, getting some of the behaviors down and the sounds that he came up with. And, of course, if you guys haven't seen this movie, please go watch it.

The actual creature is incredible. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, he said that, you know, this is a low-budget movie, which, you know, I don't know what that means. It's a Hollywood movie. Right. It was released theatrically. So I'm sure it cost, you know, more than, I think, Blair Witch Project when they did that in 1999. I mean, that cost $20,000, I think, $20,000.

And it grossed a quarter of a billion dollars. in the theater. But, you know, the majority of the of the budget for this movie was spent making that costume. And, you know, like you said, Shannon, I mean, it's just an incredible representation of a Sasquatch. It looks extremely realistic. I mean, it doesn't, it's not fake looking.

It's, there's no CG in the movie, no, no computer generation, anything. Yeah. I watched it twice before it expired, so it was really good. Yeah. Oh, when you rented it, I watched it twice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Me too. Yeah. I got to go see the world premiere down in Austin at South by Southwest that Eduardo was hooked me up with 10 passes to go. And so I went down with a bunch of friends. We took a road trip and went down and saw it with some of the actors and the producers and the producers of the movie. And the, I'm trying to remember who was there.

The, um, the, um, the, um, African-American guy that was in the movie. He was, he was there at the movie. So we got to hang out and talk to him and he was really cool. These, um, and, um, the other guy that was the, the lead, the guy that rode the bike, uh, was there. So we got to see it with them. and it was really cool. And then, you know, I went and saw it opening night when it was released

theatrically last month, October 24th. So I went and saw it there that night with a bunch of squatchers here in the Dallas area. And then, again, I rented it like that same weekend, rented it and watched it twice again while I had it rented. Yeah, it would have been nice to see it in the theater. Oh, yeah, it was awesome. I saw it twice in the theater, so it was incredible to see it in the theater. But, you know, it translates well to the small screen.

And here's something that I talked to Eduardo. He was on the Cryptocast last night. he was our guest and talked to him about the movie and one of the things he said we asked him about if they were looking at doing a sequel for Exist and he said what's actually being looked at right now and being discussed is like a TV show based you know like based on the big foot character from Exist so oh wow who knows it may have a TV show coming And so, you know, that's, go ahead. As critical as people can be, I've heard very little negative criticisms on this movie. So I think that says a lot. Well, I've heard a little bit, you know, people talking about, you know, somebody, I won't mention his name, but, you know, on Facebook a squatter, talking about it didn't make any sense. Didn't make any sense.

What are these people out there doing, you know, with. cameras filming themselves and it's like dude do you not look at youtube i mean youtube is nothing but for the most part videos of people filming them go pros yeah you know yeah go pro cameras they were out there you know doing bike stunts or whatever in that movie and filming themselves so they had cameras you know they had cameras on their bikes and on their bike helmets and and all that because they were shooting so i mean yeah like you said for the most part um i really haven't heard many people people that didn't like it. Now, how far I'm trying to think of proximity to you for the Big Thicket area?

Well, Big Picket area is, you know, four hours away. That movie actually was not shot, was not filmed in the Big Thicket. It was set in the Big Thicket, but it was actually filmed down near Austin in an area called Bastrop, where there had been some pretty good-sized... forest fire. And if you notice, you know, the forest was kind of burned out looking in areas where they were at in that movie. But, you know, I think they filmed that thing in 21 days, I guess, 21 days of filming for that movie. Wow.

I think that did an incredible job. Yeah, as far as Blair Witch goes, that's another one that sticks with you. and I still remember thinking, this is the most messed up thing I've ever watched is when there's somebody standing in the corner of the room. I'm like, nobody do that to me because I will run screaming from the room. He knows what he's doing.

He's good at his job. Yeah, that was messed up. So well done, Eduardo. Very well done. Very good movies. You know, interesting story is that when I first started, co-founded the Bigfoot organization here in Texas.

is the very first overnight big foot outing that I went on. And it was just me and the other guy that I started the organization with. I mean, I didn't really even know him that well. But we went out and, you know, he had a shotgun and a rifle and I had, you know, nothing. But, you know, we were out. We were out overnight, you know, in an area where there had been activity. But, I mean, this was the weekend after I saw the Blair Witch Project. So here I see the Blair Witch Project, and then the following weekend, I go in an overnight

outing with somebody don't really know. So, I mean, you know, it was kind of creepy. You know, if I had, I joked, you know, if I had seen, you know, little stick figure things made out of sticks, you know, hanging up or whatever, it would really freak me out. Been like, I'm never going in the woods again. Yeah. Well, Craig, before I let you go, I definitely want you to, you know, promote all the stuff you have going on. You're such a busy guy.

And in fact, I, and this was before I really came out on Facebook and everybody knew who I was. But, you know, you were at Creature Weekend and as was I. So you're a busy guy. You travel a lot, go to a lot of conferences. So what do you have going on coming up? Don't really have anything coming up. You know, I was, October was very busy for me. I was, I had, was at four events and five weekends.

Wow. From the Lake Worth Monster Bash to my Texas Bigfoot Conference, to the Boggy Creek Festival, and then I went, I was at a paranormal event the following weekend after that in Jefferson, where my event was held. But, well, thank you, Purple Rose. that's Pam. He said, I'm a great guest, Shannon. Let him know.

Well, I saw it in a turn. Yes, he is. I, you know, I just, Cryptomundo out there. I've got, you know, trying to get the Texas Bigfoot Research Center going back again. You know, we host an annual conference. I'm looking at maybe doing an event in the spring.

I'm going to check out a new facility down in southeast Texas. It's very near the, big thicket to maybe host an event down there. Oh, nice. You know, so, you know, right now during the holiday season and then up until about April, it's pretty quiet as far as crypto events and all that. So, you know, I'll just have Cryptomundo going and, you know, trying to post interesting stories for people to read and people to find out.

And as a matter of fact, Shannon herself has been pretty helpful lately. She's been helping me out on Cryptomundo and posting all of the podcasts there. So, you know, kind of people can know where to go to listen to the podcast. And so I appreciate you assisting there, Shannon, with getting the word. about the shows, you know, because there's some quality shows out there and they're entertaining and, and I think people enjoy them. So it's nice to have that feature there now where a lot of the shows are announced and, you know, we host the archives of the shows on the site. So, you know, kind of like I said, a one-stop shop for cryptozoology in general. Yeah, it absolutely is. you know, if anybody hasn't been on there, I would hazard to say that most people know off the cuff what Cryptomundo is. Now, what about the CryptoCast? How often do you guys

do a show? And I really like your format, by the way. Just have to throw that out there. I like the video format, you know, the roundtable deal. Love it. Yeah, it's streamed live, audio and video. So, you know, you can not only hear us, but you can see us there. We actually do it from a, it's done from an actual radio studio. So, you know, it's entertaining. We don't take ourselves too seriously. I think that you have to be able to have a sense of humor and be able to poke fun at yourself as well.

well. So, you know, we like to have fun with it. You know, I'm very passionate and serious about the subject, but you have to be able to have a sense of humor. You know, people are going to poke fun at you. So, you know, you got to be able to, you know, kind of chuckle along with it, you know, and not get pissed off. And, you know, that's not going to do. you any good. I guess somebody, Tom Braddo said, Craig, thanks for the encounters length, going to lead them after the show. No problem, Tom. All those posts, all those links that I posted much to MDL 47's chagrin, 747, I guess, are links to, you know, those are, those are reports submitted by hunters. So they are, in my opinion, not spam,

but they are, you know, definitely about what this show that we're talking about tonight, which is, you know, Bigfoot sighting encounters by hunters, the guys that are out there in the woods that are encountering these things. So all of those, like I said, all those links are two encounters that were reported by hunters. So some of them are not as interesting as the others, but like I said, they, you know, Any Bigfoot encounter story to me is interesting because, you know, I'm interested in the subject. Yeah, amen on that big time. Never tire hearing a Bigfoot story, right?

Exactly. I mean, there's worse things you could hear about for sure. Yes. Yeah, I actually rolled through. I was, oh, I think I was cleaning the house or something, and I hoped up later to my speakers, and I was listening to the CryptoCast. And I was just rolling. I love the game.

You know, the one to ten game, genius. I love it. You know, honestly, a one to ten. Is this crypted? A one being it doesn't exist or a zero. You're like, can I use zero? That was funny. And a 10 meaning it does.

So that was a great game. I was cracking up. Yeah, it's, like I said, we don't take ourselves too seriously. We've talked to some great guests. You know, we've had some cool people in the studio with us. Shelly Covington was with us last night. We did it about once a month. Last month, Lyle Blackburn was in the studio with us live.

So, you know, we just try to have an entertaining show and, you know, and talk Sasquatch, but also other cryptids as well. Well, Craig, thank you so much for coming on tonight with. me. I truly appreciate it. Hey, no problem, Shannon. It was a blast. See, I've got two of my bosses on the line. I have Craig and I have Wes. So, you know. Yeah, it's nice. It's nice working with you. It's a pleasure. So thank you very much. Likewise. Likewise. Can't wait to get back to Ohio and see you again.

Absolutely. You have a great night, Craig. Thank you. Hi. Thank you, Shannon. And thanks everybody for tuning in. even MDL 747. I hope you include all my lanes. Well, everybody, thank you so much for joining us. And as per usual, keep the eyes and ears open. And maybe you can call in next week and share your encounter with us. Until then, we'll see you next Monday.

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