Silicon Valley Girl: AI, Tech and Career Growth - 6 Out of 10 People Regret Their Career Choice. Here's What to Do Differently in the AI Era | Bill Gurley on the Future of Work

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Bill Gurley spent 25 years watching careers get made and destroyed. He just wrote "Runnin' Down a Dream" and his take on AI is the opposite of what most people are telling you right now.... He backed companies worth over $50B. The people he watched lose everything weren't the ones who took risks. They were the ones who played it safe. In this episode: how AI is changing your job, which careers disappear first, and one move you can make this week if your role is already shrinking. This is for anyone who suspects stability is no longer safe.🎧 Episode with Linked CEO Ryan Roslansky about the future of work:⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/5sa1EeC262QyyZow3bfwYY?si=55maoBEITMWE02O8rV78nQ⁠⁠More from the Silicon Valley Girl: Newsletter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://siliconvalleygirl.beehiiv.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/siliconvalleygirl/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@SiliconValleyGirl⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠linkedin.com/in/marinamogilko⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Starting point is 00:01:15 There is so much disruption coming from this new technology that if you don't take control of your own career path, you're likely at risk. We did a survey where we asked people if you could go back in time and start your career over again, would you do something different? and six out of ten said yes. Before AI, the wrong career choice cost you years. With AI, the cost becomes colossal. We have this window opportunity that's closing,
Starting point is 00:01:39 so we should be working really, really hard right now to grasp this opportunity. How much time do we have? I would warn all of your listeners that... Bill, welcome to Silicon Valley Girl. Thanks for having me on. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:01:56 I had a question planned, but there's news that just came out. Oh, no. Block, the parent company, Jack Dorsey, is laying off nearly half of its staff in deliberate and bold embrace of AI. Should people be scared? Well, I'm going to say yes, but I'm going to qualify it a little bit. And the AI tools are out there. They've been out there for two or three years now. They're not going to be put back in the box.
Starting point is 00:02:21 They're not going to go away. My advice, which is very straightforward for anyone in any field, to protect yourself against AI, be the most AI-enabled version of yourself possible. Okay. And know what it's possible of in your field. Know the edge of what it's possible of in your field. Use it as much as you possibly can because one thing I've learned, just in my own endeavors,
Starting point is 00:02:48 the types of prompts that you think of giving it increase the more you use it. Like you start to understand what it's capable of. And so any lack of leaning into it means you're getting further behind against people that are that are. It's new in that it's hitting white collar workers, which I think people had viewed those jobs as safe, which may have been a mistake. And look, if you've been replaced, I would really, and this gets into this new book I'm
Starting point is 00:03:18 releasing, I would ask yourself, is that the role you really loved and wanted to be in? And if not, maybe this is an opportunity for you to go find that. Okay, so yeah, we're going to see a lot of this type of news. You said that playing it safe and you mentioned safe jobs, we considered them safe. We thought intelligence is something that's going to get us through our life. You say safe is now the highest risk move. Can you explain? I think the unfortunate reality is that many advisors and counselors and parents push people towards jobs that they thought of is safe.
Starting point is 00:03:53 And the reason I say it's unfortunate isn't because of AI. If you're unfulfilled at work, there's a 2023 Gallup poll study that came out and said over 50% of people aren't actively engaged at work. And the number that qualifies engaged is like 23%. So if you're in these roles, you don't really care that much about and you're not pushing yourself to improve. You're kind of a sit-and-duck anyway for these things. And I personally believe that all those parents were quite well-intentioned and very worried about the economic. stability and viability of their children's lives. But the truth of the matter is you only get one shot at this life. If you can find something that you're just insanely curious about, you're
Starting point is 00:04:38 going to differentiate yourself so much greater than everyone that's around you. I think in many aspects of life, the economic part comes along if you're really great at what you do. Can you give me three traits of a person who doesn't play it safe? What do they do daily? Well, first of all, I think having one of the number one reason I wrote this book was to give permission, give people permission to chase a job they might not have thought was either possible or that they might have thought someone would try and talk them out of. And there's examples in the book of that. Danny Meyer, who's a famous restaurateur in New York and the man that started Shakeshack. His uncle told him you should go be a restaurant tour, but he was on a path. Pollyci major, salesman taking the L-Sat, going to go be a lawyer.
Starting point is 00:05:28 And his father had had some problems with economic trouble in businesses related to restaurants, and it pushed them away from it. And his uncle is the one that kind of brought him back. But his uncle told him, you know, all you do all weekend long is search for the best restaurants, and even journaled. Apparently since he was a kid, he journaled about restaurants. but he had never given himself the permission to think of it as a career and go after it. And the reason you're more protected is if you adore something, you're just constantly learning for free.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Yeah. Like you're not spending, like the second principle in the book is hone your craft, and I talk about continuous learning. And many people, I think, unfortunately, learn in school and they think, oh, I'm done, now I'll go work. but the best are just always learning about what they do. And for the best that are hyper-curious about that subject area, they gain energy in absorbing that new information. Whereas if you're forced to go to a class on something you don't like, you lose energy.
Starting point is 00:06:34 It feels tedious, which is a great test as to whether you're tilting against the right thing or not. So basically, don't listen to everyone around you. I mean, there's extreme forms of this. I got to meet Rick Rubin. he said every single career decision he's made in his life, people around him told him not to do it, and they were all the best decision he possibly. I mean, you can take that to an extreme, right? Like, don't just go, you know, on quixotic pursuits.
Starting point is 00:07:01 But I think if you become 100% convinced that you want to go try something, and I have test in here for whether you're really passionate at that level, then, yeah, I think you should go try. And I think you'll find you're more successful and more fulfilled. And I like the continuous free learning. So you're learning not because you're required to, but because it's your passion. And you're curious about it. Yeah, and you can't stop yourself. And you've met people I know that are like that.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I think everyone's met people that are like that. Silicon Valley's full of a lot of people like that, especially about new technologies. So, you know, you read an article about claw bot and you just can't not, you know, boot one and try and figure out what it does. And if you're that type of person, you're in the right lane. Like you're so fascinated by the subject that you have to know what's on the edge.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Yeah. And by the way, it's interesting to think about the edge as a place that's safe from AI. So AI and large language models are recording like all the best practices that have been written down. But the stuff that's on the edge that's being discovered today
Starting point is 00:08:11 is not in the models. And so if you're, competing by being a person who has that knowledge in any field that hasn't been written down yet, you're out in front of what these models are capable of. Yeah, and three try new things, I feel like. Since you've been investing for a while, I know you've recently stopped, but what benchmark VC will consider not playing it safe when looking at a founder? Well, actually, I think that the venture industry writ large has learned that,
Starting point is 00:08:43 that you would never have a mindset of safety around choosing a founder. I think the best and the brightest are very independently minded. They think outside of the box naturally. I think if anyone feels, some of them are so dogmatically determined that they might come across as a bit crazy, actually. And I think I'm not the only one that would say this. I think if you go study what venture capitalists have written there. So there's almost a search for that type of persona.
Starting point is 00:09:20 And it goes back to like the Steve Job ad about the crazy ones, you know. It feels like everyone right now should be adopting this crazy mindset to succeed in this world because you're becoming the entrepreneur in your life, right? I think you. Yeah, I think that's a great way of saying it. There is a, especially in certain fields, there is so much disruption coming from this new technology that if you don't take control of your own career path, then you're likely at risk. And I've often said if you're high agency, if you're a high agency individual who has
Starting point is 00:09:56 confidence about driving their own career path, these tools are actually a jetpack. Like if you want to proactively learn, there's been no time in the history of the world where you can learn faster. And, you know, it's AI, but it's also podcasts like the stuff you do. There's interviews all over YouTube. You can learn faster than ever before. But if you're, if you're, this is part of why I react poorly to the AI anxiety because that might freeze you and then you're not like, like the thing to do right now is to run as
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Starting point is 00:11:12 That's Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Yeah, but also wanted to dig deeper into anxiety because you said something that gives me a lot of anxiety. Sometimes I scroll and I hear people, including you say, we have this window opportunity that's closing. So we should be working really, really hard right now to grasp this opportunity. Can you elaborate on that? How much time we have? How much should we be working?
Starting point is 00:11:40 Well, I don't think the window's necessary closing. I just think that this tool kind of came out of so fast and it's capable of so many different things that it really behooves any individual to figure out what it's capable of in their industry and their role. And once again, to be the person in the organization who knows the most about that and what's possible. But do you think we might only have like a couple of years before EGI? No, I'm not a big fan of these dystopian narratives. There's some interesting research you could go look up that the anxiety, this dystopian anxiety is like five times higher in the U.S. than in China.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Oh, really? Yeah, I think part of the problem, and I don't fully understand the motivation, but some of, like Dario's the biggest dumber of all, and he's got the microphone all. time. Yeah, he's kind of weird. And I don't think it's healthy for all the reasons we already discussed. Yeah. So I wish, I wish that weren't happening. But maybe also sometimes when I see those headlines, I'm like, maybe I should double down work more. It has a positive angle to it. Yes, it could. It could. It could spur people in action. It could. But it also could freeze them,
Starting point is 00:12:55 what we already discussed. Totally. And something else that you said, that unlearning what made you successful before is really important. How do you, so for me, for example, I'm a very hardworking person. I would say yes to every brand deal because I'm used to it. And I realize that probably, but I'm not sure, probably the next stage of my growth will happen when I learn how to say no. How do you decide and how do you actually do it? How do you unlearn? There's a great quote, strong opinions loosely held. And I really love that idea. So if you don't have strong opinions, it's very difficult to actually get out there and run every day and accomplish things. But don't view any of them as sacred.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Like don't think of anything as hard and fast and might never change. And I think if you develop the habit of being a continuous learner and know that there's a risk of this thing, then you're, you probably are best prepared to know when to let go of something. I know that may not be definitive, but like I think, I think, awareness that it could be a problem is probably the most helpful thing possible. Yeah, so when you start noticing, it's actually in your way. Yeah. So in your book, you talked about six principles.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Chase your curiosity. And this is where I paused because I'm like, okay, I'm curious about so many things. There's this hype and that hype. I want to study this into this. How do you pick out curiosity that you can push for for years and it becomes? comes your career. Yeah, there's a whole bunch. That chapter that you mentioned, Chase, your curiosity, I went out and studied all the best practices in the field, and there's like 10 different exercises you can run to try, that I've borrowed from these other great people that
Starting point is 00:14:45 have done the research. You know, hobbies are a big one. There's a lot of stories in the book of people that turn hobbies into careers and became very successful. Like, if there's this thing that you're doing in your spare time at home, when I was an engineer for two and a half years. I read this book, One Up on Wall Street by Peter Lynch, and I started studying stocks and trading stocks when I got home at night. I didn't say to myself, oh, maybe that's a sign, but it was, right? And I ended up going to work on Wall Street. And so look out for whatever it is that fascinate you. Don't feel stuck, like, or don't feel like you have to have an answer to the question. Some of these people didn't find their perfect fit until they're 30 or 40. And so
Starting point is 00:15:32 get as many shots on goal. Like, it's fine to take a job where you don't know if that's it. But wake up and ask yourself every year or so, is this it? Is this what I want to do the rest of my life? I had a mental exercise that I did in my first two stops in my career where I, at a couple years in, I said, do I see myself doing this 30 years from now? And how do I feel about that? Just a kind of a reflection. And in the first two cases, I got to a place where I immediately knew the answer was no. I love that question. And then you start looking for something else. Bezos had a similar thing. He called the regret minimization framework where you said, imagine your 80-year-old self giving you advice on helping with a career choice. And they're similar in some ways. You're just
Starting point is 00:16:20 reflecting over time. Yeah. And when you studied those people who are not happy with their jobs, apparently it's six out of ten, right? Yeah. What do you think was the number one mistake that they made? Were they chasing money? If you want to stay ahead in the AI era, follow Silicon Valley Girl podcast on your favorite
Starting point is 00:16:37 platform, new episode every week on AI careers and how to not get left behind. I think so. I mean, chasing money or just doing, like, like, we actually, we actually. We did a survey where we asked people if you could go back in time and start your career over again. Would you do something different? And six out of ten said yes. And then we would ask them, what did you use in the decision making? And, you know, it might be you're at college and a professor tells you,
Starting point is 00:17:06 oh, you should go into this because you made an A on an accounting exam or something. Or your parents, there's certain cultures where parents are like, you got to be a doctor, you've got to be a lawyer, and you end up in that path. Like there's a bunch of different ways you could end up in a pathway. where it wasn't an exercise of you saying, what is it that I would love to spend my life doing? Yeah. And so, it is a whole,
Starting point is 00:17:29 I think many of these parents and counselors are very well-intentioned. I don't think they're out to make a mistake. A lot of them are worried about the economic stability of the child. 100%. As you become a parent, like it's this thing that you can't really get out of your head. So are any jobs that you would name, like top three jobs that are AI-resistant
Starting point is 00:17:49 and top three jobs that will make. good. Well, the jobs that seem to me the earliest threats are ones where, so the large language model is really good at language. And so translation, paralegals, like these. You know, I started with language. That was my whole career. Yeah, I mean, those things are really, you know, we're just organizing text in a different way. Those are, those are already, it's already happening. Yeah. You know, I think some of the jobs that I have this interesting theory where almost any job you could think of it as being an artisan. We all think of Michelangelo as an artisan, and we probably think of a great athlete as an artisan, but do you think of a lawyer that way? Or do you think of, and I would say the best in those fields probably probably are.
Starting point is 00:18:40 And so what is it they do? They understand nuance in their field quite a bit, and I think AI is not particularly good at, nuance. A lot of people have a theory that I think is reasonable that human relationships will matter way more. So do you have a strong peer network? Do you have a strong mentor network? Do you have a strong network in general of people who come to you or know you or what you're capable of? I think that's super helpful. Any other markets that you think are dying? Dying. Well, I mean, coding is one where there's a lot of questions that are out there. And I think once a again, you know, the thing about code is it's actually a stricter, more constrained version of
Starting point is 00:19:24 language than language itself. So do you think we'll need less coders? Certainly, if you were the person who was just grinding, writing out code, if you were the person that understood, you know, structurally how one algorithm is better than the other, or how to reduce code to make something more efficient, like those things, I think will still be valuable. But I would go back to saying the best way to be a software engineer in AI world is to be the one that knows how all the new AI tools work. To be the person in your org that's leaning into them not out.
Starting point is 00:19:59 If you're a farmer with a tractor and a drone thing and all this stuff, you're going to run over a farmer with a hoe and a donkey, right? You're just going to blow them away. And so you have to think that way about these tools. This one came at us fast, I admit, but you have to roll around in it. Let's talk about the tools. You said at the beginning of our podcast, become the best AI-enabled version of yourself. Can you talk about the setup? Because we're all using Chad GPT for search.
Starting point is 00:20:32 We use nanobanata to generate images. We do basic stuff, right? We maybe plan our trips. What is the next step? What should people be doing to advance their setup? Even like when I come on a podcast, I can say, I'm going to go see this person do this podcast and we're going to talk about the book. What questions should I anticipate?
Starting point is 00:20:50 And it's like, the more you play with it, the more you think about what's possible to do. And I was at NYU yesterday and the students were asking questions at the end. And like half the questions they ask it, I'd be like, well, you could ask me that, but I'd probably put that into chat, GPT. Like, I just, they don't think. Like, people don't realize how much you can lean on it. And that's where I think the more you roll around on it, the more you start to use it. And I've been invited to go give a TED talk, so I have a new one on that.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Oh, are you going to think I'll be there too? I'll be there too. I'll watch your talk. All right. And I'm like, you can research and prototype and ideate like simultaneously. I came up with a new theme last night, kicked off something this morning because I wanted it to find like 20 examples of this. idea I had and wanted to talk about to make it better. And I haven't looked at the results yet, but I will later. So you're basically living in Cloud Project? Yeah, I mean, those were ChatGBT. But yeah, you could, yeah. I mean, you're probably better to try them all.
Starting point is 00:21:56 What is something that you do with AI now that you've done manually before and now you can never do it manually? Almost any information query whatsoever. Like, it just seems easier than looking it up. And even like compared to a Wikipedia search or something, like you can just get straight to the information versus like scrolling through this thing. Yeah. I haven't set up a claw bot yet or started getting it to do agenic work on my behalf. I probably should. Part of raising my hand and stepping away from VC is because I grew tired of like that constant fomo that's required to be successful. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Wow. Yeah, that's that's a strong one. Let's talk about, just in general, for people who are building since you were investing in them, do you think software is dead? I don't. Why? There are certain, and look, I think there are certain types of software that may be. Once again, if all the software did was reorient text or, you know, create an image or whatever,
Starting point is 00:23:02 like it could be under threat. The other thing is, like, quite frankly, it's not. really good at being a database and it's not great at math yet and there's new techniques where they're getting it to write code but how many times have you done a query where there's an error and once again depending on the type of software you wouldn't want it writing errors into your CRM absolutely sometimes i think about the future where now i mostly talk to my clod or chat dupt what if i just ask it to create an app for me to solve some particular problem and i don't need to install any apps think about consumer apps
Starting point is 00:23:37 I don't know of like a fitness track or language learning right exam rap. SAT was just released on Gemini so I'm thinking like there's this whole market that's probably going to disappear that could be true that could be right but that's happened in the past there used to be software companies that had massive market share that don't exist anymore so yeah how should entrepreneurs be thinking about what they're building every great entrepreneur recognizes that new technology waves create a ton of opportunity. And one of the reasons Silicon Valley gets so excited when these waves happen, I mean, every single venture capitalist, I'm sure that you talk to, all they want to talk
Starting point is 00:24:15 about is AI, right? I think they've forgotten about the companies they invested in that aren't AI. That's all they want to talk about. And the reason they have so much attention to it is because the time when new companies, you know, step around and take market share for incumbents are on these transitions. And everyone knows it. And so I'm going to sound so redundant. You've got to get out there and play with it. Like I would warn all of your listeners that it's very hard right now to raise venture capital for non-AI.I. I'd like to separate whether you're judging that from the reality.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Go back to this circle of influence thing. The reality is most venture capitalists won't take a meeting with a non-AI company right now. Now, you could decide I'm going to do it anyway. I think complaining about that's useless because it is the reality. You could decide, well, it'd be a great time to bootstrap one of those companies because VCs aren't paying attention. I think that's a reasonable response to that. But you need to be aware of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Like, otherwise you're going to get very disappointed when you go out and try and raise money. Yeah. And you left the VC world, you know, right at the, you know, it's all hyped up right now. Everything's happening. I feel like a lot of people are like you, especially when we're talking about people who chose, safer careers, right? And now they don't know what to do and like erratic behaviors and everything. And I really like that you said in your book, you need to, and something you keep bringing up in this interview, you should be surrounding yourself with the right people, with the right news
Starting point is 00:25:49 that you're consuming to stay calm and focused and motivated. Any tips on surrounding yourself with mentors? Yes. Well, mentors, Anne, I have another chapter on peers, but let's take mentors first. I think most people, if you're in the mentor game, most people shoot too high. And they go try and get someone who's not going to say yes to spend five minutes with them. And I would really caution against that type of activity, and I would instead do two different things. Take advantage of all this incredible free information that's out there and build a list of what I would call aspirational mentors. So these are people you admire. in your field and just study them. Like create a Google Doc, I don't care what, like, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:38 find the podcast they're on, find books, find YouTube interviews, ask AI about them, and just build like a digital profile of each one of them and be a fanboy the way someone might be of LeBron James, right? And I think that exercise will give you more confidence. It'll give you, it'll also test whether this is the thing you're curious about or not. If that sounds tedious, what I just described, you're not in there. I think it sounds really exciting. I'm thinking, you can do this for your whole, like, dream career, right? Or, like, I'm trying to be this.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Here are the people that are already doing this. Here is, I don't know, whatever my dream house. Danny Meyer did this. Like, when he decided he was going to go be a restaurant tour, he built these 10 profiles of these people. And, like, I think it, I think that actually, exercise of ruminating in that is super helpful. It gives you confidence that it's achievable. It helps. It's disinhibiting that this may be a tough way to go. And then on real mentors, just
Starting point is 00:27:42 come down the ladder a couple rungs. If you're the first person that calls someone and ask them to be a mentor and no one else has asked them that before, they're going to be flattered that you recognize who they were. But how do you ask them? You're like, reach out of them and say, hey, could you be my mentor or you ask a specific question? Well, there's some nuance to that. I wouldn't walk up. Except a mentor is like to go. Will you be my mentor? Yeah, I think you approach people with recognition of who they are.
Starting point is 00:28:10 And this authenticity, I wouldn't be overly programmed as you go in. And with a smaller ask to start your relationship. Hey, I'm working on this problem. You know, there's these two paths. I'm sure you've thought about this before. Any advice on what I should do. Yeah. And when you mentioned that, a lot of people ask you a thing,
Starting point is 00:28:30 they could ask chat GPT. I'm thinking now, before asking people to become your mentor and answer this question, create a project with all their knowledge base and ask that project. You can have a virtual mentor. Exactly. Tell AI to, you could dump a book,
Starting point is 00:28:46 dump an interview, do off a transcript and create a project around an individual. Yeah, I do that a lot. AI is my strategic partner 100%. Really, really helpful. But let me also mention this separate chapter on peers, because this is my favorite chapter in the book,
Starting point is 00:29:01 and it's a human connection that I think most people don't do. I would just heavily encourage anybody, whatever rung of the ladder you're on in your career journey, try and find four to six like-minded people on the same journey, hopefully outside your organization. They need to be trustworthy, they need to be comfortable sharing, and create a peer group.
Starting point is 00:29:23 And once again, these tools are so available. Like you can do a WhatsApp, or you can create a Google space, If you're really, you know, inspired, you could do a slack or whatever. But you create one of these things where you all share ideas together, and it increases the surface area for learning. It increases your mentor opportunities, your network. You'll see more job possibilities through everybody. They'll be there for you when you're having a crappy day.
Starting point is 00:29:49 Like, which is really important. Like, everyone has bad days. You might be in a job where you don't know if it's me or the company I'm in. Like I'm having, I'm not happy here, but is it because I don't love this career path or is because I don't love this company? If you have five other people that you talk to, they may help you figure that out. Yeah, I did that as a YouTuber. Like having other YouTubers just brainstorm ideas in your niche. And there's a story in here about a one YouTuber named Jimmy Donaldson that did this at the 18.
Starting point is 00:30:20 He was the one who started all of this and we just copied. But he was doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think he shared it at a conference, and I thought, oh, my God, I should be doing this too. Yes, yes. This is a very interesting time, right? And I have two kids, a six-year-old and a four-year-old. I was raised by my Soviet parents.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Tell me, you have to study, study and study. That's the only way to grow. That's the only way to build a sustainable life. So I was studying from 8.30 a.m. to 8.30 p.m. Yeah. Will this still apply in today's world to our kids, or should I be teaching? them something completely different. Well, I think the culture you came from is a little different than it is. It's true here. But I still think, I think the thing that's happened in North America,
Starting point is 00:31:05 which is a version of that is it's become so hard to get into universities here that starting in the sixth grade parents are worried about, Jonathan Haidt calls it the resume arms race. You're worried about them getting into college so you want your college. I'm worried now. No, sixth grade. Now, four-year-old. I'm worried. You start worrying about the college application. And here, Here it's, I think it might be better if they just studied 12 hours. Instead, here you add in chess lessons, lacrosse lessons, like, volunteering at the SPCA. You're like, and these kids are so scheduled. Like, and what I fear is that they get to the end of the college and they're just burned out.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Like, because they've been told, Angela Duckworth says they've been taught to persevere. Like, like we've trained. Isn't it good? The area where it might not be good is that they never take a breath to explore and figure out what they want to do. It used to be in the U.S. college system. They wouldn't allow you to pick a major until the end of your sophomore year. Now at many schools, you have to apply to the major as part of the application process. And so we're asking people to specialize early and earlier,
Starting point is 00:32:13 and maybe they never had a chance to really figure out what it is they enjoy. And they might have fallen into one of those pathways for random reasons, like we talked about, before. So what would be your advice to modern parents? Take a deep, deep breath and create as much opportunity for exploration as possible for the kids. Just expose them to a lot of different things. And try and get a sense of genuine interest on their part. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Okay, if someone's watching right now, they're in job they don't love, but they're afraid to make a move. What is one thing they should do this week? I think you can role play. this new path you might go towards. And part of this I'm borrowing from a professor at Stanford,
Starting point is 00:32:57 Dave Evans. He talks about like battle carding scenarios. So the same exercise we said where you could go study this person, you could say, okay, I'm going to be out of here within six months and create a digital like role play of, okay, what am I going to go do? And you could do that for maybe three different directions, right, and roll around in it, like scenario plan, right? What is the first? And once again, you know, an AI tool could help you do this. Okay, I would like to repop myself into this career within six months. What should the first week look like?
Starting point is 00:33:33 It'll give you something. It'll spit something out. And you may disagree with that. You may reorganize it. But the thought process of going through what it might look like will help you versus just being frozen. Yeah. And the power is coming back to it every single week with new data. Like I tried this.
Starting point is 00:33:52 I'm curious how it worked. And if you did the battle card of like three different ones, you know, I think you'll start, as you fill in the details, you'll start to have a sense of which one you prefer. Whereas it may just be too abstract at the high level. Thank you so much. I think it was very useful and very practical. And I encourage everyone to read your book and we show it. Running down a dream. Love it.
Starting point is 00:34:16 I love the name. Thank you so much for having me out. Thank you so much. If you enjoyed this episode on the future work, you're going to love my recent conversation with the CEO of LinkedIn. We went deep on the exact same topic. Link is right below. Check it out and I'll see you. Summer is here and Ralph's is your destination for hot savings. Find unique items at low prices with a wide assortment of products from our exclusive brands.
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