Silicon Valley Girl: AI, Tech and Career Growth - How to Get Ahead in the Next 3 Years of AI | The Liberman Brothers

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

Who actually gets access to AI, and does it stay open to everyone or slowly turn into a privilege for a few? Daniil and David Liberman came on to answer that. They're building a decentralized alternative to Big Tech AI. We got into why every job eventually gets disrupted (and the real timeline), the one-hour-a-day habit that beats Netflix for staying ahead, and how pointing ChatGPT's camera at a broken pipe fixed 3 years of no hot water in their house. Stay to the end for the rapid-fire round: whether today's AI leaders will still lead in five years, and the single most underrated move you can make tomorrow to control your life in ten. Feeling behind on AI? This is the 3-year map. We cover: 1. Is AI overhyped, and the COVID-like moment they expect within 2 years 2. The plumber test: 3 years of no hot water, fixed by ChatGPT's camera 3. Why Dario Amodei owns ~1.5% of Anthropic, and who really controls AI 4. Which jobs get disrupted first, and the timeline (next year vs. 5–10 years) 5. Why "open weight" Chinese models aren't the same as open source 6. The one-hour-a-day habit for surviving the next 3 years.Links:📌Subscribe to my free newsletter where I go deeper on AI tools, career strategies, and building with AI: ⁠https://siliconvalleygirl.beehiiv.com/subscribe?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=video&utm_campaign=futureproof-sub&utm_content=TheLibermans🔗 Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/siliconvalleygirl/⁠⁠⁠𝕏 : ⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/siliconvalleymm⁠⁠⁠💼 LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marinamogilko⁠⁠⁠📌 My Companies & Products: ⁠⁠⁠https://Marinamogilko.co

What kind of reality we will see in the future mostly depend on whether big tech companies will have control on who has access to artificial intelligence. These are David and Daniel Lieberman, investors and founders who sold their company to SNAP. Now they're building Gonca, a decentralized AI network designed to make AI more open and affordable, so anyone can win with it. Do you know what is the share of Dari Amadea, founder of Anthropic, creator of Clot, in his own company? What is it? 1.5% Oh, really? People who build it, people who brought their values into this,

they are not in control anymore. What should people be doing now to thrive in two or three years? Everything will be disrupted. Every single job will be disrupted. How much time do we have? Hello, everyone. Welcome to Silicon Valley Girl. I have my amazing friends today, Liverman Brothers.

They're not only friends who I've known since 2015. they're also my first investors who believed in me and the whole round that happened in 2021, which became the first ever venture round in a creator. It happened because of you guys. Thank you so much. Because of you. Thank you for believing in me. And yeah, it's fascinating to see how much happened after that.

You've been in technology circles and building stuff for a while. So I really want to focus on what's going to. on right now and what's happening with AI. And AI has been the most discussed technological revolution in the past two years. But what I'm noticing, and I'm sure a lot of people who are watching this will agree that we're talking a lot about AI and obviously it's changing life for coders

because a lot of people generate 80% of the code maybe more. But when you take an ordinary person, yes, the search is better now. The productivity is maybe up, but there hasn't been a life-changing event for humanity yet. So do you think AI is overhyped? I would start with contradicting to what they said. Life changed because people started trusting one source of information in a chat. Like, what is this? What is that?

And they don't check multiple sources as they used with the Internet. And this is something pivotal honestly already. Therefore, like we will have some consequences about that already from this point. When was the last time you were actually doing your research in Google? Google, like not through the chat GPT or other platform with agents doing all the swarming research for you and stuff. Like this change. We somehow started trusting this technology, which not always is correct.

Yeah. What kind of reality we will see in the future mostly depend on whether someone will be able to get access to artificial intelligence. If artificial intelligence will be freely. accessible by every human on earth, if it will become actually commodity when it's as cheap as as cheap as possible, then each of us for sure will use EA to increase our productivity, but definitely in other scenario as possible, if big tech firms will be able to gate the access and decide who can't have the access or not.

I'll give you an example. Someone recently asked us about, like, what about the plumbers? Will they be actually replaced with the robots or like with AI? What's going to happen there? How can AI actually make innovation in there? In our house, where we moved three years ago. For this past three years, we had the problem with hot water. And we were complaining to the landlord.

He called for the plumber several times. They came there. It's like, oh, you need to replace the entire heating system. It's going to be very expensive. And then at some point, we basically pointed the chat GPT through the camera into the piping system and it's like what's wrong here and the chat said like looks like it's missing one small part here like a pipe which will actually close a loop here and blah blah blah so we started discussing this problem with the plumbers after three years we now have instant hot water

with just one but you still needed physical labor yes absolutely but like imagine that it's not as who convince the plumber that they should do this job. But they're in their own earpiece, which is like, looks like there's this stuff missing there. And they fixed everything. The first time when we called them three years ago. And they were like, oh, best guys ever, five stars. You fix the problem. Hooray.

Instead, we were suffering for three years before actually AI came. Do you see any jobs completely being disrupted when we don't need those people at all? Like, I mean, drivers? Like the cars will be driving themselves, but, the people inside of the car can still be there. I mean, like, for services, safety, whatever. This is actually a good example of the industry, which had a chance to gradually adapt.

If all the drivers will see the future, the future will be. Definitely self-driving. If they would invest in joining forces together, in building's future together. Instead, when people, they're reluctant to participate in the innovation. And when they use innovations in the passive form, when they adjust consumers, they don't understand that they actually can also contribute.

Eventually, 15 years later, their profession can be disrupted. So actually, for every profession, there will be enough time to adopt. If you actually see that the future is coming. Like, clearly accept. Yeah. Everything will be disrupted. Every single job will be disrupted. How much time do we have?

It depends on what the profession. For some profession is like next year. For some profession is maybe in half a year from now. For some professions, it will take five to ten years because the robots are first going in the factories and it's going to be there and there and it's going to be there. a specific professions will require more time for the physical world to adapt. There is a lot of stuff. Physical world is not moving as software.

That's why software engineers were disrupted first because it's software. Do you think in the next two or three years we're going to see an event that is directed by AI and it's going to change lives for everyone? Because again, for example, going to, I don't know, my mom's example, right? She uses AI to search. Her life hasn't really been affected with AI. What do you think the timeline is when everyone, experiences something COVID-like when they're like, oh my God.

Honestly, in the next two years, probably we'll experience several events like that. We'll see a lot of breakthroughs, like an eye-opening breakthroughs in biotact, like understanding genome and a lot of chemistry as well, new materials. Like we will see a lot mind-blowing, something which we consider impossible before events within the next two years. In the software engineering itself, I think that we will see the entire operating systems and coding languages to be rewritten and written from the scratch, something which is actually changing everything we understood before.

It will happen likely in the next couple of years. For sure, in the coming a year or so, we'll get through several tipping points where there is no way back. It will be already hard to influence where, this progress will lead us. Like what do you have any examples? So for example, whether big tech companies will have control on who has access. So now it still can be changed in consumers can affect that consumers can demand rules.

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But if they all become publicly traded, then it's up for stakeholders? This is the most interesting conversation. Who are the stakeholders? Yes, so one of the subjects which is not really discussed right now is that you're right, all of these companies, they are publicly traded. They will become publicly traded, who will control these companies then? For example, do you know what is the share of Darya Amadea, founder of Anthropic,

in his own company? In his own company? What is the share? What is it? I know Google owns a lot. 1.5%. Oh, really? So when you understand that it's just 1.5%, you understand that people who build it,

people who brought their values into this, they are not in control anymore. Who then in control? Then you find some, it called long-term trust or something like that, and you see people in this trust, and you won't recognize, anyone on this list. Why would those people who control those organizations decide to stop

oppose access? Because if you create artificial scarcity, you can increase price for as long as you want. But then an open model, China releases an open model. But China is not releasing open models. Chinese doing the old corporate trick, except they're doing this on like on the government level. They lure you with semi-open sourceness because none of their model. They're actually open source. They're open weight so no one can repeat. And then when the next version is released, they can easily not open weighted just like that. And no it will be able to even continue or do anything with this. It's not theoretical. You can see how most of the US-based companies, they used to have open models. Now, not anymore. None. Yeah, it's so interesting.

when you see like the Chinese model start to be not open from the very first day of the model release. They put it on the market for a month or two or three only accessible from their own servers. And then they still play with the open weight again. Because what they play, they want for as many people in the world as possible to use their models to actually create the competition to the American models. And then basically lure everyone to use Azure servers, open weight on your own server but our servers in China with Chinese data centers and Chinese chips. For any tech organization which sells digital products, the first thing that they need

to acquire users. As soon as they acquire users, then they usually change the rules. Remember, like in 2003, 2004, still Google had a promise that ads will be. Ades will be. never be in the main feed. Ads were... It's only on the site. But they're still at the top and they're highlighted ads. So they're not in the search.

But like on top of the search. But the promise was that it'll never be in the main feat. Then the rules changed. And that's what we see in many cases. Because it's so... It's kind of easy.

Not very easy, but it's kind of easy to move from one model to another. We still have competition on the market. We have Google, Cloud, Chad, GBT, right? And from my own experience, I switch maybe like every two weeks. Yes, with now learn long-term memory that goes across all your chats, it's becoming harder. But if one model decides to 10x their price, I can easily switch. Do you think it's not going to be the case?

But look at then what is also happening in parallel with this luxury of changing between models. tools which used to be independent for coding like Coursore or or Figma for design those tools are being steadily integrated into the main product or similar products of the frontier models themselves for your chat window everything you use from the calendar to the email to documentation to picture generation to music listening to like buying products as soon as all of this is already in one ecosystem, that's when it's going to be much, much complicated for you to change between the models, just because all of your ecosystem will be in one. So from this perspective, still, you're right that existence of all of this independent companies,

it helps. Yeah, they prevent authoritarian regimes inside the AI companies. Paying me this worst case scenario, is that one company? It doesn't have to be one company. Or three company coordinating their efforts. Like Google, Microsoft and Amazon today combined is 65 to 70% of global compute, cloud computer. So they basically own 70% of our future. When we're talking about AI, now it's everything.

It will disrupt every single industry over the course of next five years. Let me give you two versions of the future. In each version, three of us increased productivity four times. In one version of the future, this productivity increased because of these three companies. Three corporations. What they can easily do is to get the entire growth of these margins by increasing the prices of their services. If your productivity, my productivity, depends.

on whether we have access to those models or not, they can set any price. Yeah. And that's what we experienced recently. Models haven't become cheaper. Opposite to that, there is version of the future when access is guaranteed, and we have it as cheap as possible. In this case, each of us become four times more productive. We produce four times more goods.

And the only question is going to be whether we need that much or we will work. class. Oh, we adapt to. We will adapt and we'll have more and more and more. Like, it's just like details of every single products will be more details, better quality, all of that. Maybe like our houses will be bigger. It's going to be easier and faster to build them. Oh, we'll have more inside our houses like with the cars. We will have more stuff inside our houses. Our house finally will become smart houses. The fridge which actually buys its own grocery. The pipe that fixes itself. The pipes is fixes itself, all this stuff. The promised future of the IOT see, like likely see some kind of a combination of that.

Like, the worst case scenario is not going to look like abruptly everything is stolen. The worst case scenario will look like one by one industry by industry absorbed by this new technology. Like big groceries will be replaced with online delivery, which will be then give more jobs at some specific period of time. But then less as soon as people will be replaced with. robots as well. So like there will be spike of additional small businesses and additional jobs in some areas, but then decline as well. So it's not going to look like, oh, we're going to hell.

Something which we're not going to notice, our freedom will be taken away. Can you talk more about the loss of freedom? Because the analog situation that I see here, social media, right? We all have access to these amazing videos, but then some people can't stop consumption and they just spend their day scrolling. and fake information is affecting how they make decisions. Do you think it's going to be worse with AI? I started with this. Decision-making and your research.

If you actually ask the question, get a singular answer to this, the source of this information, if it's controlled, defines what you think about the reality around you. That's what we're talking with some of my friends because all of our AIs gave us advice to work less. We're like, are they coordinating?

Like what's coming on? We know how powerful narratives are. It's not because of EA in general. It's part of human nature. How storytelling affects us. The question is like, who's behind it and what's the purpose of people who provide users? Does it have to be regulated then?

Do you think the government should step in with all the declarations that we have that we agreed on together as, you know, Western world? Should that be the guidance for AI? The government's only doing this? Well, in the US, I think it's hands off. If you listen all the current leaders of AI industry, they all want the industry to be regulated.

We are not so fond of governments in general. We believe that some sort of regulation is nice, but it will be really hard to prevent governments to abuse this power as well. We really like being in the United States because of how much freedom people have, how much a government is actually decentralized. Not everything is decided on federal level, many things decided on state level or even municipal level. At the same time when we talk about EA regulations,

likely to be federal levels. So not much freedom out there. So we are not as optimistic. Optimistic about regulations where they will take us. But at the same time, we are quite believers in consumer power, how consumers can change, how all these companies behave, how they can demand, what should be right? and actually even just being vocal about what they want to have in the life.

But I'm thinking about opening a anthropic and the defense situation. Yeah, people cancel this. Actually, we see, I don't know how much that affected what's going on internally. Some would affect it. Clearly somewhat affected. It also, it also, it affects employees of these companies as well. Because this time, it's all about the researchers. The only successful AI labs are those which manage to gather the brilliant minds of the AI researchers,

not even engineers, but AI researchers, because the engineering part is now done by AI itself. So, like, you need to actually think about this rather than code. We saw multiple times how those researchers left some organizations because of the ethnic disagreements. So I do believe that right now, it's still consumers have quite a big of power. It won't be like that in a couple years, even. So we don't have. Yes, I'm pretty sure that the power of these organizations will only increase. In our dependence on particular models, in our dependence on having access to the latest model,

will only increase our time. And I think that probably is the most urgency in the process right now. What can we do about it? We can be vocal. We can support every independent project. We do believe that decentralization will play significant role

when people will build AI not based on data centers, but on the community of people who join in forces. It's happening step by step. So like several companies are right now providing the service of actually building micro data center in your house or like it's agreed of micro data centers when it's less about like a centralized control of a specific corporation.

I mean, not necessary. This particular companies are the ones which will lead to this sort of decentralization But it happened with the power, with disconnecting from the greed, having the solar panels and the battery is actually providing all of the electricity at home. This is happening with increasing speed now, as the battery technology and the solar panel technologies are getting cheaper, cheaper and more efficient. Similar is actually boiling in a lot of people's mind on how do we decentralize a lot of this. And there is also a chance that because of significant centralization, there are some additional physical barriers, like enough of electricity for such large data centers. Well, if you actually decentralizes home by home with micro data centers,

then every single house solar panel with the battery actually can power the massive infrastructure of the AI cloud data center. So participating in projects like this, Like even just browsing and searching and researching on what's possible and what's going on in there. And then jumping on to being early adapters of technologies like this, this will actually help a lot in creating a pressing alternative. Like the alternative which not necessary will become bigger than the large corporations themselves, but will become visible and annoying enough for the large. corporations to adopt and change and be less monopolistic. The trick is AI itself as soon as

it's achieving will achieve soon like in a year from now likely a certain level of precision and false tolerance and mistake tolerance. There will be making decisions more uncorruptible, more immutable than people themselves, less biased like all of this like we can see now how the call centers industry has been disrupted by AI. Like it's sort of invisible for majority of people because the call centers are somewhere there like in in Asia somewhere far away is being significantly disrupted. We know several multi-billion dollar companies and smaller businesses, which are right now completely switching to the AI call centers.

Moreover, it's more efficient. So like friend of ours, their banking system, they give it loans and they used to have the collectors call center like people would call you and say like hey we can help you to restructure your dad and usually the people in the bad situation when they already under the pressure of their actual life situation plus the bank is calling and they're demanding the money they are not quite willing to actually even even reply to the phone call so what they managed to do for themselves they completely replaced the actual real human beings on the other side of the phone. Why? Because the AI happened to be more empathetic. They designed it to be more empathetic. The AI getting into the human being situation

much deeper and helps the human being to actually get out of the shitty situation of owning money to the bank. And they laid off the agency that they used to work with, the call center. India, somewhere like Philippines, like a lot of this, somewhere outside. So that's why we probably don't see this. Yeah. We don't feel this. change, but there is a lot of moving into the call centers because of this, as I said, an empathy. It's a human being quality to be empathetic, but AI can be much more empathetic and AI can be much more truthful. And as soon as we're getting to this level, the governmental services logically should be AI driven, a lot of it. And there will be a huge resistance from the

very government itself to be replaced, to be augmented, to become uncorruptible. And that's where we can see that there will be tension. If you want to create this uncorruptible bureaucracy, it's quite important that this type of artificial intelligence shouldn't be controlled by anyone. Should not be centralized. Centralized and none of us wants the future bureaucracy to be. controlled by a corporation. Which won't happen, right, already. Because these corporations exist, do you think there is a chance that there is a world where it's decentralized?

But remember what was with the Bitcoin? The financial world was the most powerful. The Wall Street and the central banks. Central banks of the world. No one could have challenged them. And then Bitcoin just happened. Yes, it started like a little bit early, but it was like an invisible a toy. But right now it's a rails of financial world. No one can affect the records in the ledger. For example, privacy and encryption in messengers. The big players didn't want encryption. They didn't care, but then smaller players came and they all had to adopt it and they all had to have it. And this is an example of consumers, demanding. At some point, there will no be difference for the majority of the consumers, whether it's

Opus or GPT5 or something which they don't even understand the name of it. For a lot of people, it's already the case. Exactly. But they prefer to use it because of the aspects which were saying. Some people will step by step. Like it was with Bitcoin. It started with Satoshi himself, then 10 people, then 20, then 100, then 1,000, then 100, then 1,000. Now it's hundreds of millions of people actually holding the Bitcoin worldwide. But Satoshi, he remains unknown to public. I know you're building something in decentralized AI. And you're going to podcasts.

Do you have any fears from big corporations? Of us disappearing? No, like, because you're entering a huge market and you're trying to disrupt and build a competitor. We are not afraid. You know, with Bitcoin, the privacy of the owner was part of the pitch. So it was an important aspect of the service which Bitcoin provided.

With AI systems, I don't think that that portion is important. Similar with Ethereum, the founder of Ethereum is out there. With AI, it will be more like with messengers. you actually want people to find your name there because you want to get connected with people. So you want businesses and individuals to be identified, verified, verified inside of the world of AI. Honestly, that's what we actually all should want. Is that ever participant of the future network of AI is verified and identified?

Just because there will be so many of the fake generated for the scam purpose, So just like entertainment purpose, it doesn't really matter why, but the internet is getting trashed with a lot of unchecked information. Yeah, but at the same time, like, you know, World ID, right? People are so, like, some people of it, some people absolutely say, no, never will I provide my redness scan? Because the trick is, it's a private company. It's a private company.

Do you think when it's decentralized, more people will be willing to do that? If you can demonstrate in open source manner that no one can have access to this data, for sure. The problem with world ideas that it's a black box. And this black box is controlled by one company. No one knows what is inside of this eyeball and things like that. So that's what scares people. For sure, in the world we are entering. This all will be important subjects to discuss.

And I hope that people will be more educated about the abundance, which AI can bring at the same time, what other risks and how we can mitigate them. With that type of change, it's quite new. It's actually one of the important things that it is first technology, which speaks our language. And this really affects us all because all of the previous protections,

psychological protections, barriers which we had, this system can overcome because now it's like human being because it speaks our language. But at the same time, it's greatest opportunity because there is no barrier.

when you software engineer, you only talk with those systems. You stop coding, like you stop writing. Yeah, where we're talking to our computers. So because of that, I think that this also the greatest opportunity for equality, because everyone can... If everyone have equal access to this technology, then everyone can achieve their highest potential. in the world where people will be losing jobs. If you can come back home, say, I'm unemployed now,

and then AI will tell you what next you can do and you can just like choose in between. A vibe code and new startup. Like not necessary everyone are going to be a startup. But at the same time, I personally believe that we will see the explosion of smaller businesses. Like we will see the de-corporativization of industries if we have equal access.

access to AI. The same way social media affected small businesses in terms of like, now anyone can start a business online and sell whatever, like clothes, jewelry, cosmetics, like, whatever it is, products for for docs, for keys, like through this new channel, more small businesses happen to be successful. We will see that panfold with AI if access is not limited. If access is not limited, what should people be doing now to thrive in two or three years? First of all, you definitely need to at least try to adopt these tools. You know, in our bubble, in our bubble, everyone tried to use agents. Yeah.

But in reality, it's just a few... In their entire world who actually... So, people should be much more open to... he would educate themselves and to implement this in their current workflows in the way how they plan their days, do their job, do their household planning, like all of this. This is quite an important thing. I remember that when we used to have a game development studio, we hired an artist. He didn't have so much of the portfolio at that moment.

I remember just was just a couple pictures, but they impressed us quite a bit. So we hired. The talent was clearly there. And all our other artists had much greater experience at that moment. But this guy, every time when you two appeared, he wasn't resisting, but just jump in and use it. Try use it. Try to understand what the best thing he can get out of it. And in just a couple of years, we got a message from him that he got a proposal from Blizzard.

The top game development studio in the world at a time. And he will not refuse it. And for us, it was for sure he will want to work in this company, especially in the cinematic division when we would do this beautiful movie shots. And so he got there. And then a couple of years. It never stopped. He advanced himself, advanced himself.

into robotics, into this, into that. Like, as soon as you can consume the change, the new, accept, it fuels you in to continue, and never stopping. I know that for some is a little bit scary to use the tools, or when they are new, they're a little sloppy. But just make it a habit to spend at least an hour a day instead of watching Netflix or browsing Instagram to actually see what you can do,

to deploy, research. We recently found ourselves with several groups of friends doing hackathons at a house, at a dinner. You know, it's a culture when you just sit down and you have one hour to build some stuff. It's important to say it's not technical people. Yeah, yeah. So we did it multiple times in soap.

So fun, like what you can build just in one hour and you can have it on your phone immediately and you all can try and you all can laugh. Not necessary it is going to be useful, but the fact that you have this physical experience of achieving this in just one hour with a group of your friends who actually never had experience of building software before, it changes the perspective. So like our advice would be just use the AI. I also write a newsletter where I go deeper on AI tools that I use, curious strategies and things I can't fit into a 60 minute podcast.

It's free. Link is in the description. Okay, I could talk about this for another hour. I have a blitz to wrap up what. So it's like a short answer. Will AI be able to do most intellectual work for humans? in three years. Yes.

If it does, what is left for humans? The same. Creativity. Creativity. To make decisions in your life, what you want to have in your life, this would be quite important. In a world of abundance is actually a quite complex task to decide what exactly how you want to live your life.

Because you have everything, yeah. Will AI create more jobs than it destroys? The nature of jobs, might change, but it might change in a much longer horizon. I believe AI first will create a lot of new jobs, and then the idea of job might change and dissipate in 10, 15 years from now. Maybe 30 years. Like, this is a longer horizon. Will today's market leaders still be leading five years from now, or will we have some

emergent player? Likely. So look, Anthropic have a haven't existed. Three years or four years ago. Like, nothing year or ever. If you look, if you look all the incumbents, all the big companies we had before, all of them lost the AI game. Maybe Google still have some plays, but all the rest, they actually weren't successful. Every time when someone point out that all this big company will be competitor to you, I I don't think it seriously because big companies, they are really slow.

And smaller players, they have much more chances to actually build something. So, yes, we will see a lot of real. Someone new, likely those who we see right now might change a little bit in terms of like murders and acquisitions, like becoming one, some of them, or just disappearing and losing the competition to the rest. But there will still be the same 10 companies of the Silicon Valley. which are each trillion dollar company, multi-trillion dollar company in three, five, ten years from now.

Likely they're not going to go away. Will something new happen? Totally. Totally. Okay. Will humanity choose to limit AI development, or will we keep building at full speed? I think that there is no much way to limit the AI development.

But at the same time, the limiting factor is already right now hardware, cheap manufacturing. And hardware is much slower in the way it develops. So we already will see a slowdown of development of EA in the nearest future. But at the same time... Yeah, the likely tenfold into the next five years. Okay. And the last question, I think I know the answer, but what's the most unerated move someone could make tomorrow to have more control over their life in 10 years?

Love yourself. Invest time in your development, for sure. It always was a good advice. Currently, it's actually much more important. No, no, it's like we cannot. The world is changing. The world is changing. And without actually educating yourself, you're losing a lot of. of opportunities. I thought you were going to say run a little data center inside your eyes. This is what I'm saying. I think different words. Thank you so much guys. Thank you for being modern age philosophers and also for building something that's really exciting for this new age. Thank you. Thank you for this great conversation.