SmartLess - "Kris Jenner"

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

Grab your glaze-scraper and get outta the house: it’s Kris Jenner. School, Social, Smooch, Smart Cookies, and meeting a Mint Julip. Re-enroll in home-school, because 'nobody’s going on the internet,' …in another mind-bending alternate reality that is [in some intimate regions often colloquially referred to as] an all-new "SmartLess."  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of SmartLess ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

So Willie and I are in New York right now surviving this blizzard. I know this is going to come out later, but it's pretty rough out there. Yeah. I got out of there on Saturday. I got very lucky. I was doing a cold open. Yeah, we're just in the middle of my open. Oh, you're doing a cold open.

Oh, sorry, sorry. We'll get back to you. I don't know. I'm smart. I never saw Field of Dreams. Yeah, and Scotty put it up. And he's like, I was like, yeah, let's watch this. I never saw it.

Like, it's, yeah, have you seen it? Well, hang on. And did you, so he built it, you came. Really nice, Jason. Bravo, bravo. What did you think of it, Sean? I thought it was so good. I thought the tone was really good.

I thought. Oh, don't need a detailed review. No, I thought it was, first of all, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I've seen clips about, in clips of it like over the decades. So I kind of had an idea, and I've, of course, known the phrase, build it, and he will come whenever. But I never... I'm sure I've ever seen it.

Oh, we got to watch it. It's really, really good. You'd watch it for a second time. I would. Wow. Have them over to your theater, J.B. Yeah. Come on over.

So you've never seen it, Jason. I don't think I have, no. I don't know if I've ever seen Major League, and I don't know if I've ever seen Bull Durham. And I'm like this huge baseball. Well, this is a baseball. Yeah, I know I've seen the natural bunch of times. Bull Durham is excellent.

Yeah. I've never seen any of it. I love Bulldo. Maybe I'll just see little clips of it on social media. Yeah, and then just piece it together. That's a good way to do it. Like my kids, you're like kind of 20 seconds at a time. Yeah, this is the way the kids are eating stuff up nowadays.

What do you guys think about that? They're making those little clips. Isn't there like one minute episodes now of stuff? Have you heard about this? Is it maybe on Tooby? Do I have Tooby? You do. You do currently have To be.

No, but you guys, does anybody know about this? Quibi. Quibi. Quibi was the first thing, but then, you know, that didn't work out for whatever reason. So there's one-minute episodes of stuff? Yeah, and now that's really, that's what I read, that it's really picking up on TikTok. And they'll do, like, a whole season is five minutes. Really?

And each episode is, like, a minute or two minutes. It must be riveting. You haven't heard about that? That can't be a good thing. I actually haven't, I have not heard of it. Michael Bennett, Rob, have you heard about that? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Verticles. Well, Rob, first of all, take the judgment out of your voice when you say, oh, yeah. We need to work on our attention span. all of us on this planet, right? I know. I think we need to watch stuff that's longer. I think that that's been... Longer, slower.

Everybody watch Field of Dreams. That all the tech billionaires don't, they really limit their kids' access to short-form stuff because they realize that there's studies that show it has a direct impact on kids. That's well, I don't know. Well, listen, this is helpful then today

because what I've got with us today is somebody who might be able to opine on some of these things and give us a look around the corner a little bit for what might be coming, you know. With us today is a leader of an empire. Ooh. She has launched and is the guiding force behind at least 10 companies by my count,

which generated dollars in the billions, I'm sure. Her business skills and know-how are matched only by our media savvy and cultural instincts. Her abilities as a manager and a parent, however, is where it all started. Here to tell us how on earth she does it and where it all goes from here is the one, the only, Chris Jenner. Oh, look at the first.

Chris? Hey, guys. I am very excited that you are with us today. I've wanted you on the show for, you know, very, very long time. I've been afraid to ask you. We're travel buddies. We go on vacation together. We are a little bit.

Jason and I. Is that true? And Amanda. Yeah, we do. Yeah. We kind of plan it, but it's an accident. Yeah. So I'll let you guys figure that one out.

Yeah. Okay. Oh, it's just fascinating to talk to. and I'm really, really happier you're with us today. Thank you. All right. Let me just like, could you, there's no way you could imagine that your adult life would be here where we are now. I would imagine.

What did you think you were going to be when you grew up? Was there an early idea, plan, goal, dream? A mom. Yeah? Oh, really. I used to dream about being a mom. When I was 16, I decided I wanted six kids. No way.

And yeah. Wow. So, I mean, that was sort of embedded in my head, that that was my magical number. And that's what I wanted to do with my life. And I couldn't wait to be a mom and have my first baby. And I had my first baby. I got pregnant when I was 22. Yeah.

And I met Robert Kardashian when I was 17. How and where? Is it a meat cute? We met at the racetrack in Del Mar. No way. Wow. Yeah. And I wasn't old enough to bet.

So I had to stand to the side while my girlfriend's mom placed our bets for like $2. And I was going to, I was so excited and I was all dressed up. And I was standing there. And he came up to me and said, you know, what's your name? And I told him. And he was a little cheeky. And I was really annoyed. Like, you're a stranger.

Go away. And, you know, the world was a much different place. You trusted people. But there was also no way to contact somebody unless you had their phone number and you were standing by your phone in the kitchen to receive the phone call. And blah, blah, blah. I mean, it was a weird world. The best times of my life.

You couldn't snap one another, you mean? No. There was no internet, no phone, no cell phones, no computer, no iPod, none of it, no technology. Right. And so he asked me for my name. and I gave it to him, and he asked me for my number, and I didn't give it to him. But his best friend, this girl, worked at the phone company.

I knew you were going to say that. Every story from back then had to be like, I knew somebody at the phone company. That's the only way. Right. And they looked at my name, and there was my phone number. I mean, listen, every year. It's kind of a romantic sort of like, he just stuck with it.

Yeah, I love that. Stalker romantic. But wait, I want to get back to the racetrack. So wait, you like, I've been there a couple of times. It's a very unique environment, any racetrack. It's so kind of fun. Did you know what you were doing or we just like, oh, that's a fun name.

Let's pick that horse. Well, no. I had no idea what I was doing. You weren't watching them warm up. No idea. You didn't know what horses were good muckers. Well, we walked around looking like we knew what we were doing, but we were just, you know, probably. You know, it's so visual.

Like going to the racetrack in the same. 70s was like the hats and the suits and the beauty and the horses and everyone's got a cocktail and I mean it was very grown up still kind of is right at the like Kentucky Derby still like a big glamorous thing have you ever been there it was California's contos I have been once with Kim and we were we went we went to the races we were supposed to go out afterwards with a bunch of people and have a you know to the party that they give afterwards and I was drinking these things called a mint julep in a little 10 cup and i kim and i had kim didn't even drink in those days she still doesn't really drink but i did yeah and i had too many and i said

i got to go to bed i'm too tired i can't do this they're too tasty i think i remember those things yeah so i just went to sleep did you go jb did you go i've never been to the to the kentucky derby no but i i've i met a mint julep once i got to say i'm i'm going to really taken with, I want to go back to the phone company and the time of, no, you couldn't get in touch with anybody, and the magic of Delmar back then. And everybody wasn't in touch with each other all the time. And you could go and do something like that. And you weren't bothered by your other life. You were just there. You were where you were. And I'm really taken with that idea. There weren't even answering machines back then. Not really. I mean, there was no answering machine. Either how to be home or not. Yeah. And it was, you know, there wasn't. You know, there wasn't. any kind of, I mean, I don't think there was a show like Entertainment Tonight or any of the, you know, the shows like that.

And the Delmar races sounded so glamorous. And my mom used to go. And I used to watch my mom when I was a little girl walk out the door and her beautiful dress and her big hat going with her friends. And when she was single or when she met my stepdad, going with my stepdad, and we're going to the races. and it sounded so like, what? You're going to the horse races, and you only saw horse races in the movies. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, you would see a scene like that, and I was, like, going to this glamorous thing. I would go to the grocery store with my mom, and we'd go shopping, and after she checked out, after we checked out, she would stop at this counter and buy race car, our racehorse tickets to then go watch at home to see if her number win. Yeah, and I'm like, we could barely afford peanut butter,

and she's, like, buying... you know, gambling on the way out of the door. Right. And then we've watched the race tracks, race things in home. Races. I didn't know you could do that. So she always kept an eye on the horses. Yeah.

Do you guys ever do, do you guys ever do the lotto? Like, do you go for the mega millions? A couple of times I've done it. Yeah, there is, I mean, gambling is, I used to have a bit of a fun, fun time with gambling. I no longer do, but it is. It's still something that sort of like lives a little bit. Yeah, yeah, Shawnee, you just went to Vegas, right? Sean loves it, but I will say this.

A friend of mine said to me recently, I love this idea. He said, yeah, I buy, you know, when the mega, or whatever it is hits like a billion dollars, it's like, I end up buying a couple tickets. I said, really, he seemed like the most unlikely. My buddy Clay, and I go, really, you buy that lot of ticket? And he goes, yeah, you know why I buy it? I buy it for that five minutes after I've bought it,

and I'm in the car. Yeah. And that feeling, that feeling is just as, good as winning. What would I do? Just getting that feeling. It's only about the feeling. That's right.

Because the money and whatever is sure. But it's the feeling that we're after. He's like, I enjoy that feeling. And I was like, that's good. I think it's funny that people go, like, I think it's funny that there's people that line up the street to buy a billion dollar lottery ticket, but not a $50 million dollar ticket.

Like that's not enough. I'm not going to win up for 50. Do you know what I mean? 50? No. I'll wait until it gets to a billion. Doesn't I just read somewhere that. AI now can really help your number picking.

Stop. Yeah. You can go on some of these AI things and say, give me the numbers that are going to win the lottery this weekend. And they'll actually give you some that get pretty close, apparently. Wow. Well, if it's a billion dollars, I mean, you could win, you know, 100 million. That'll do it.

That'll do it. Just two. Just two numbers. Now, talking about your mom and your stepdad, Was your stepdad, you know, realize very quickly this is not hard hidden journalism here, I think I, a stepdad was a businessman, perhaps? No, my stepdad was actually, he had two businesses. My stepdad, my uncle had a car dealership, and my stepdad would have a kit, and he would go to the car dealership and stripe the cars. Do anybody?

Give me a little bit of a flare? Yeah, give me a like a lot. You take like, it's like a tape. Like a pinstripe or something. Yeah, like a pinstripe. You pinstriped a car in a couple of hours. And in those days it was done with a very thin tape. And my dad was San Diego's premier tape car tape.

And it would it just be a piece of tape on the car? Yeah. And it wouldn't just come off? Yeah, like Star Ski and Huts. I had one. Like that big Nike swoosh on it. Exactly. I had one of my old Chevy Tahoe 25 years ago

because it came with a thin orange and I didn't like it. So I went to a guy and he put a thin blue over it. That's right. And it just made all the difference. That's the same thing. I know what you're doing messing around with Chevy. I mean, that's you should have been a GMC. This is pre-GMC.

Did you not like professional grade back then? I do. I love professional grade. I love everything in the GM family. So he did that. And then he also was a guy who had a company that put antennas on the roof. Okay. But he actually did it.

Like he had a few guys that work for him. So if you bought a TV, I remember we got our first colored TV. And then he would have a company that, you know, advertised and came out. Right. And put your antenna on your roof. The rabbit ears up on the roof. Yeah. Yeah.

I got you. So, but my question behind the question is where was. So I guess he was a business. Right. He made money. Did that start to, how early did the business interest in you get sparked? That entrepreneurial sort of creative. kind of what could I get into next kind of thing?

Oh, that came from my grandmother and my mother. So my grandmother and my mother both had their own stores in La Jolla, California. Right. And I grew up in San Diego and then La Jolla. And my mom still lives there to this day. She's almost 92. But she had, her last store that she had was a children's store 45 years, called Shannon and Company. Her last name is Shannon.

Yeah. And my grandmother had a candle store called the Candles of La Jolla. So basically when I was 12 years old, instead of going to the La Jolla Shores to learn how to surf with all my friends, I was going to my grandmother's candle store and working, and the first job I had, I was the gift wrapper. So my grandmother taught me, it was the best. And by the way, I'm the best gift wrapper. Are you really?

Yeah. Ever. I like it. I watch those videos. of the Japanese people. I saw that too. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm trying to emulate. I'm the worst.

At Christmas, I realized I'm the worst. I love it. Wait, so, Chris, do you have, like, incredible techniques about, like, hiding edges and curling seams? Yes. Yes. Oh, and I do, like, one day, I learned how to use the ribbon maker,

the bow maker machine. So I got really good at bows. And so I have these hidden talents. Like, they say we have no talent. Oh, I've got talent. Yeah. You have some great gift wrapping talent. Do you have a wrapping room at the house?

I do. I do. The gift wrap room. I have a friend that has a wrapping room. With rolls of wrapping paper and drawers of tissue and it's very exciting. Chris, can you look at a gift or something you want to wrap? And can you just eyeball it and go? I know exactly how much paper I need for that. I used to a little bit better.

Now I've, you know, if I really get confused over a gift, I just sell-a-fane it. and put a bow on it. Call it a day. And it's so cute. Telephan will help you avoid those terrible paper cuts. That's right. Paper cuts you can get from wrapping gifts. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love those, I love those videos from Japan. I know. They're so fabulous. And like, yeah, OCD. So wait, Chris, so after the, after you, so you learned some business while you were rapping, you're like, wait, how did that work? And how did that kind of.

Well, your mom and your grandma were a great business inspiration for you. Right. So I think, listen, when you're young and you see my mother at the time was a single mom, and my grandmother and my grandfather lived across the street, and my grandmother helped raise me. So when you see the two most important people in your life at the time, my grandmother and my mom, get up and get dressed to the nines and go to work every day and get there at nine o'clock and have a routine and have a business and pay the bills. And they were so proud of their businesses and how they ran them.

I worked for both of them on and off. And I learned a lot in those days. I finally graduated to being on the floor with customers. Then I graduated to the cash register. And I just learned a lot. Those were some of the best learning years of my life because I learned so much about. And then from there, I became a stewardess for American Airlines. And I was a flight attendant.

And when I was a flight attendant, that gave me great social intelligence, social skills. I didn't know you were a flight attendant. Learning how to run a team. Yeah. And just like some really interesting things that were very valuable at a very young age. My mom did that for like 30 years of Pan Amp. She did? Yeah.

It was the coolest thing for me as a kid just flying around the world kind of, you know, in the back with my little suit on, you know, because I had to dress up for the free tickets. Yeah. You still fly Pan Am. don't you, Jay? Yeah, they keep getting canceled these fights. He still fits in that suit. You guys.

It sounds like, yeah, you know, the thing is, at the heart of it is like this, you've had this consistent work ethic. I've learned, yeah. That's super strong. I'm really proud of what they taught me and what I was able to absorb. But then even more importantly, how I raised my kids and what they were able to learn from the whole experience and how they were raised and how they, it was always,

my kids joke and they say to me, you know, mom, during the summer, or they'll tell a story and they'll go, my mom during the summer, when we were in, you know, it's supposed to be on vacation, my mom, you know, in the old days, the 90s or the 80s, we used to have a landline. And on the landline, as we became more successful and had more opportunities, the stuff in the house got better.

The TVs got bigger. The phones got more complicated. And we set this intercom system on the phone. So you have a big land phone, landline phone, sitting next to all these counters and all the buttons. And there was a thing. And Chloe always tells the story, my mom used to intercom the whole house.

It's 7 a.m. Time to get up. Make your beds. And so I raised my kids like that. Like, no, no. No, we're not laying in bed. Life is happening. Get up.

We've got stuff to do. I love that. I love that. Me too. That's really cool. Wait, so what happened after the candle thing and working in that store? And what was like kind of the next venture for you after that? That made you want to propel further into being a businesswoman?

I worked there. Then I worked at a boutique in La Jolla for a friend and then for my mom. And I loved having. having structure in my life. I loved having something to do and to get dressed for. And my mother and my grandmother always told me that it was so important to present myself to the world in a way that I wanted to be, like look your best, be on your best behavior. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. You know, really good manners. Right, right. I was going to It was going to say, for me, like, I've got to believe it before I can expect anyone else to believe it.

So you get up, get up, get out there and look like where you want to go. That's exactly right. And surround, you know, a couple things. So then I became, then I went and I applied to be a flight attendant, Sean, to answer that question. And then from there, I got married to Robert Kardashian. So that's kind of, and then I started having kids. So that's the, you know, the Breeders Digest version. Which was the real job.

Which is, yeah, you know, the kids and being a mom, that was at a very young age. But, you know, along the way, the one thing you guys can probably relate to or think about or your, you know, listeners can think about is my mother-in-law was the first one. Now it's, you know, a mantra in our house. But my mother-in-law, Nana, was always saying, Robert, you know, to her son. Robert, show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are. And she used to just gripe it all of us about if she thought anybody around us was shady or dishonest or a little creepy or, you know, anything off. She was, because I met her and Robert at such a young age, you know, he was 12 years older than I was.

But I just learned so much because then I had this whole Armenian family surrounding. that I'd never had a big, big family. I had one sister. And my mom was divorced for the longest time until she met my dad and then got married when I was 13. But a lot of my life, it was me, my mom, and my sister. So having this big Armenian family around me

was very, it was so amazing. And some of the things I learned, I let it all soak in. I was like a sponge. I was like, I love having all these. people watching out for me because they met me so young. And they were helping me grow up. Right.

Right. Right. A big community. Yeah. That's so great. Was there, go ahead, Shoney. No, I was just going to say, I was just going to share one of my first jobs was at a furniture store in downtown Glen Ellen.

And I had to answer the phones. And all I did all day long was call my friend Sherry in Arizona. And then the bills would come. And their phone bill was like 100. hundreds of dollars, which was huge back then, like, probably like $1,000. It's huge now. Yeah, the guy who comes and be like, who are you calling in Arizona? I was like, that's my sister, just trying to be in touch.

But it was my best friend, and I got in someone, and then I got fired because of that. Oh, my God. That's my story. That's my story, my first job. I love that story. Yeah. I'm just trying to look on the chart where I'm going to put that. You know what?

One of my first jobs. Yeah. The things that we will do, one of my first jobs, I was really wanting to do something. I mean, this is how, I guess, I don't know, motivated I must have been to make some money. But because my mom, it wasn't like she was, you know, passing out money to buy clothes. And we were getting to the age where we really loved clothes and we wanted to buy things and we were teenagers and all of it. And so I got a job up the street from my house that I could then get. on the school bus and get to middle school or high school.

And it was at a donut shop. And my job was to take a glaze scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor. And they would give me a little money and some free donut holes every morning. Wow. And I was the best glaze scraper in, I think, in San Diego. Pretty sure. Sean, how lost are you in this? He's trying to figure out if it's a bad job.

He can't decide whether it's a bad job. Hey, this is a job? You guys, I'm going to ruin my makeup. I'll eat the glaze off the floor. I mean, that's incredible. I don't need the scrapers. Guys, it was amazing. Sean's volunteering for any sort of glaze scraping in any part of the room.

So if you ever need anybody who, like listen, these skills somehow, you know, worked for me later in life. I don't know. Go figure. Yeah. And we will be right back. And now back to the show. What would you say to these young people that are going off to business school and they're killing themselves trying to, like, top business schools and learn all the business stuff that one needs to, like, where would you, what size would you put that sort of like? the traditional business structured, you know, in today's society and climate for business success.

Wow. The nuts and the bolts of it. I'm going to get in trouble here because I did not go to college. Uh-huh. That's okay. And that wasn't important to me because I didn't, I wasn't the most amazing. Like, I didn't love school because I was social. Does that make sense?

I love being, I love the. socialization of it. I love, I think, you know, some of my kids have been trying to decide, do we want to just do homeschool? Do we love, you know, this kind of school as the kids get older? And Kendall and Kylie, my two youngest, went to homeschool the last year of their high school years, and then they graduated. But it wasn't this, you know, it's always been for us about, or for me, about socialization and making sure that obviously I have a good education. and I know my ABCs. And, you know, I'm a smart cookie and I love to learn and I soak it all in.

But everyone learns differently. There's so many different options. And I think that's what's interesting. And so I think the options out there are so vast. However, it really, you have to follow your heart, but it's also what do you want to go into? Some rule of thumb and thought of some parents and kids alike. and people in general is that if you get that education under your belt, then that's your safety net.

Then you can go forward in your life and now you're set with your, you know, you have your tool belt on and you can go out there and do various things. And I'm not, like I love that too. My son went to USC. Kim went to college for maybe a couple weeks. And, you know, Courtney graduated from college. And, you know, half of my kids did it. it and half of my kids didn't.

So it's a mixed bag for me, but I think it really depends on if you want to be a doctor or a physician of any kind, a surgeon, you know, medical field, attorney, lawyer. That's necessary. But I think it's just going to be what you're, you know, follow your heart. What is it that, you know, that gets you excited about life and what you want to do with your career? And start sooner than later. Yeah, you know, it's fine. I'm going through J.B.

you went through it with your eldest, and I'm kind of going through it now with my teenage boys because they're at that point where they're looking at colleges and we're going to do a college tour at spring break. And I keep sort of saying to him, you know, there's a pressure not just from the parents, but you can feel it from the peer group as everybody's talking about it. So it builds up this kind of frenzy about where to go

and all the sort of stuff. And I said, look. Yeah, having to decide what you're going to do as an adult. And I go, you know what, man, any one of these places, you're pretty much guaranteed of getting a really good education. You've got to decide what you want your experience. to be, what you want your life experience to be.

So true. Right? And don't, I urge you not to get caught up in that. And I'm really, and I think it's kind of lending because I just, I see them, I see these kids and they're getting so wrapped up in it. Yeah, life will narrow you like real quick soon anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, Jay, B, you go to college. I dropped out, I dropped out of college after one semester because I was like, you did? Yeah. For me, I went, you know what? I looked around at all my peers and my friends and kids I grew up with, and I said, this is not where I'm going. I want to go over here, and I want to jump into life, and I moved to New York at age 20.

But what it did for me, I went for four years and never graduated, but still got a doctorate. But anyway. That up boy. Wait, we want the recipe for that. From the furniture store? Yeah. No, but what it did for me was what it does for a lot of kids is it gets you out of the house.

That's it. And you get out of the house and you're with your peers in a totally different setting and you find out who you are. Neo-Nor horizons. New horizons. And yes, academics aside, socially what it did for me was I was like,

oh, I found my people. And I found- Johnny, you know what's funny about that. Like, J.B., you were working as a young kid. You were already working as an actress. So you were already sort of socializing, and you were already doing that. You were out of the house, in effect.

With your peers. I had gone to boarding school at age 12. So I was already out. Like I'd already gone, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was like an early college boarding school. Yeah, yeah. I should have studied something to fall back on. See, I think that's important to note, though.

I think that everyone, and I really believe that everybody needs structure and a purpose. That's what it is. And a community and socialization. All of that, I love about school. And if you're not ready, to jump off the diving board into the pool with no water in it, so to speak,

because you don't know what you're going to do. And that's probably a great decision because then you'll figure it out. Yeah, because I went to college knowing I was going to study music. That's it. So I had a purpose. But you're right, you're right, Chris,

about what you said is like, if you don't, I love that. If you're diving into a pool with no water, there's no reason. No, and Sean, the music that you studied, it did help you. It has been a big part of what you do. Well, yeah, no, but continuing on,

and, like, you wouldn't have done Good Night Oscar. All of that, the Tabasco. What a show. This is a program. But had you not done that, you wouldn't have had the skill to do that, right? Totally. One thing leads to another.

But I'm lucky, like, we're all lucky, the four of us talking right now, and there's many people that we know that are lucky, that if you know, if you have a passion inside of you, early on as a kid and you know what you love to do, the earlier you know what to be, the earlier you know what you love to do,

the more success you're likely to have later. A thousand percent. And it's like Jason said, he had a direction. Like he knew that's what he wanted to do. So why I'm over here with, you know, all my energy needs to go to my dream. And in order to accomplish my dreams, it needs incredible focus and dedication to this.

It doesn't mean you're, you know, sitting at home. playing video games, doing nothing. No, and you need to pay the rent too, right, J.B.? I mean, for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to keep the lights on. So, wait, so Chris, so then talk to me about keeping up with the Kardashians.

Like, how did it start? What did it do for you? Were you apprehensive about doing it? Because you're like, oh, my God, there's cameras. Like, what? And what was your perception of beginning the show and when did it start to change? Yeah, and did this start?

Does this story write where, Ryan Seacrest started talking to you about this, perhaps, and on the heels of the Osbournes getting a lot of traction. And is the timing right? Do I have that right? No. Right. So I think a lot of people talk to me and a couple of my older kids from time to time.

But always, I mean, for years had said to me, you're a family, you've got to do a reality show. Nobody would believe what goes on in this. It's his life of years. Today's Brady Bunch. And it was just, you couldn't make any of it up. And so I eventually decided to create this show in my mind, and it kind of lived up there for a while.

And then I remember we had been approached by a company years ago, and they thought it was a good idea. and my best friend was living in New York, and she was doing a talk show, Kathy Lee Gifford and Kathy would go, you guys, you know, she was Kendall and Kylie's godmother, and she would, you know, when they were born, and she would always go, oh, my God, you guys are wild,

you know, this is crazy, and she'd come visit and think, people have got to see what's going on. And I just thought it was normal. You know, I thought I'm living the life. And one night, This girl, Dina Katz, came over to my house, and she's the casting director for many shows amongst them

dancing with the stars and things like that. And she's close friends with Ryan Seacrest. So she came over, and she couldn't believe what was happening in my house on like a Tuesday. Wait, what's going on over there? For spaghetti. What was going on over there? I mean, just the people that would call or stop by,

just a lot of, you know, celebrity interaction and drama and just wild. It was just extraordinary. And she would listen to my life and think it was wild. So she said, I'm going to present this to Ryan Seacrest. So the next day I spoke to Ryan's team and went in for a meeting a couple days later.

They had just signed a production deal with E, NBC Comcast. And they then, you know, Ryan presented it to the network. They picked it up, and 30 days later, we were shooting Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Wow. So it happened really fast. What was the conversation like with the kids? Like, did it take, do you have to twist any arms or were they excited about the idea?

Listen, at that point, and I mean, to this day, I'm still at the, I'm still their manager, but at the time, I was nobody's manager. I was, Courtney and I were working in our clothing store called, I'm. a smooch and the girls had a store called Dash nearby in Calabasas. And it was, I just said, family, I have this opportunity and this is what I want us to do. And everybody said, okay, you know, I'm not going to lie, Courtney, kind of looked at me sideways like mom. And I'm like, Courtney, we can sell more T-shirts. Imagine. This shows in, you know, it's a global network. It'll air in 200 countries. Why not? You know, I saw an opportunity.

and it was just something that I wanted to do because it was also going to help me keep the lights on if I'm being honest. It was like an income. And Kendall and Kylie were 9 and 10. Kylie was 9 years old. That's amazing. Kendall was 10.

And I told them what was happening. And I said, guys, you don't have to be on the show. But if you want to come and be a part of it, you can film on the weekends or holidays or after school or, you know, whenever it's appropriate. And that's kind of how it got started. And that was, we started filming, I think, 2000, maybe six.

It aired in 2007. And right now, we work for Disney. We're filming the Kardashians. And this is season 28. Wow. So what was the ask? Like, how did you present this to them? Like, was it, well, the cameras are only going to be here

for like an hour a day or they're going to be constantly set up or they're going to be fixed cameras. won't be any camera operator, so you won't really know, like, how is it, how does it, how did it start then versus how is it now? And what were the expectations as far as their, their role would be? Right. Well, they, we all fell into it like a fish in water. It was quite extraordinary. And you can't do something. Listen, I can create something and I can produce something, but you can't control other people, even though they're your kids. I mean, I have a great deal of love and respect for my children,

and I'm never going to make them do something that they don't want to do. But it was, I was in heaven because everybody, a crew shows up. We started with one crew. So it's like maybe three cameras, two cameras and sound. Do they come in like 7 a.m.? We started very, very early in glam. at seven, but the first season, we literally were filming seven or eight days a week and about 18 hours a day.

I'm not exaggerating. I don't know. I used to say to myself, I'd look in the mirror in the morning and go, I don't know if this is sustainable. How am I going to get through the day? And then we would just keep filming, filming, filming, filming. And in those days, editing, we, I'm probably, I don't know if this is accurate, but I'm probably one of the only women in reality television world that has editing rights to our show.

I am able to take anything out. And that was from the very start? From day one. I said, I'm not doing this unless I. So the key to our success. And you could tell the kids, don't worry about it. You just let it all fly because at the end of the day. Right.

And you know what's interesting about that is. over the years from day one, when we knew we had that freedom and that kind of power, so to speak, it made us more comfortable. It made us be the way we always are and how we're bonded together as a family because we're very close to each other.

And we were able to say things that were, you know, very intimate or, you know, only our family knew or whatever it was. But things started. to, you know, develop in a way that we, I was thinking to myself, you know, oh my goodness, this is really crazy. And knowing that we could take it out, and you know, we never did. We would come, we would have a meeting and we would say, you know, the FBI showed up today,

you know, or Kylie ended up in season, episode one, season one is a nine-year-old child on a stripper pole. And I had the, you know, and I'm looking at the footage going, how did this happen? How did this happen? I left Kim and Robin Anton in a room for five minutes and Kylie's on a stripper pole. You know, so it was really insane. Anyway, it turns out that the things that I would remove or take out ended up to be, oh my God, the back of my hair looks crazy. Take that out. Or I look so fat. It keeps you human. Or can somebody fix my lipstick? Like, what?

So that's the, I was so vain in, like, I had never really been on, I had been on TV, and I had done QVC and I had done things with Bruce Jenner and, you know, all this stuff. But I'd never been on a television show at home. That was unscripted like that. And it was a very vulnerable feeling. I wanted to ask, so about that. So that starts to happen. So, right, so the vulnerability I can only imagine.

because we know what it's like a little bit. We talked about it earlier about stuff happens and then people out in the world have a right to comment on it, especially now in real time and stuff just right. Right, right. To go through that experience, especially early on when it was like early social media days when you guys started, it was really early.

I mean, and to have people commenting on your life on your parenting, like you say, with the stripper poll. have opinions. All the thing, and your kids growing up and people have opinions in real time. There's nobody bigger than you guys at a certain point. You sort of, you guys rocket to fame

and everybody in the world has an opinion on you and your family and your kids and blah, blah, blah. How did you kind of meet that and ride with that over the years? As you say, you just finished season 28. You've obviously found a place in a way to accommodate that.

But what was that like? What was that learning curve? of like to deal with that? You know what? I think it was one day at a time. It was leaning on each other. It was learning from one another. It was understanding that it takes an entire village to do what we do.

And then it was all these realizations over the years that occurred to us. And first of all, we had to have really thick skin. And I said to my kids very early on, because they were a lot younger. I mean, when I started the show, I had no grandchildren. Now I have 13. I mean, life changes so fast. That's amazing. So I said to my children, because they were young enough for me to tell them what to do still.

And I do tell them what to do every single day, but sometimes they don't listen. So I told them, nobody's going on the Internet. nobody's engaging in the bullshit. And that was after the first episode. And, you know, I had even close friends that I trusted that would have one eyebrow up going, really? The stripper pole? Not knowing that Oprah just had the stripper pole,

you know, on an episode of her show because it was the new exercise, you know, craziness that everybody was doing this. And, you know, Robin Anton had come over to show Kim how to use it because Kim had bought me one for Mother's. Day and to do my exercise, you know, and Kylie ends up on it. But, you know, it was just they wanted to edit it a certain way. And it wasn't really edited. It was just like people took it a certain way. And I just said, let it fly. We know what happened. Like, who cares? Yeah, I was

going to say, I would imagine that a lot of this stuff, the element of the world now being, having access inside the the serenity of somebody's home, I can imagine would only make you guys closer in that you guys are the only ones that know the real story, who we really are, what we really feel juxtapose to this outside opinion multiplied by millions, I guess you were kind of forced to quickly say, well, that's their kind of idea, their opinion, their narrative, versus what the real thing is almost makes you guys even more solid and intimate and a unit. Yes? I think so.

I think we felt really close. We felt like we could always help each other out. I remember, you know, when we first started the show, for example, there was no Instagram. There was no Snapchat. There was barely Twitter. And Ryan C. Chris called me up one day and he goes, you know, you might want to tell Kim about this little thing called Twitter. I'm not really sure what it is. I'm like Twitter. What is Twitter? And so, you know, Kim, you got to get on Twitter. And, you know, we just helped each other learn and

grow and it takes a village to do what we're doing. And then on top of all of it, the years went by and we realized how many thousands of people we employ who the network employees, the people that benefit and have, we've had people that work for us for years, write to us, like write notes to us and say, you know, and hand them to us and say, thank you for changing my life. Thank you for giving me purpose. Thank you for giving me a job. Thank you for, you know, so you start with the smallest things, the assistants, the glam teams, the people who are getting us from one point to another, the all the fashion side of it. The, you know, it's just tends, you know, thousands and thousands of people.

And then as time went on, and we started making money, and we were able to give back to things that meant a lot to us and help people that were less fortunate. And that felt good. So it's been an evolution of our whole process. Yeah. And even specifically what the social media has done, it wasn't around when you started now.

Of course, it's around. But the way in which you guys are such a presence there as well. And talk to us a bit about how that, I think, help me, educate me. It is one of the major engines to some of the stuff that you guys do, sort of your brand positioning and leveraging one and being spokesmen for other things. It all sort of exists almost entirely on some of it on this platform versus, you know, linear TV and and whatnot. Right. It's how the business has evolved for many businesses around the world,

you know, having this example that started actually when Kim got on Twitter, that first, that example I gave you when she first learned about it. And I remember she was the first one who really, she really educated us about, meaning my family and I, about how she could communicate with the audience and be a part of the Twitter universe by engaging in these conversations. And she genuinely loved it.

Like she would, I remember the first time, and I think she was the first one to do this, she sent a tweet to her fans and to all the viewers of our show whenever, just out there in the world. And she said, I'm going to launch this fragrance. And here are the two, you know, packaging options, the bottles. Do you guys like this choice or this choice?

You know, the pink or the black or whatever it was. And the response was overwhelming. And I knew that she was so smart and so, not that it was, you know, she wasn't in any way being manipulative. She was being genuinely wanting her own, focus group. She was able to, you know, put together this group of people that she, that was, that she, no one would have had had access to in the entire world, except for her. And as her numbers grew, her audience grew, our audience grew. And then one by one is as different

social media platforms emerged and were developed. And as all of my, you know, me and my, my children all became very active on all these social media platforms and the numbers grew and it just snowballed and I think like if you added up all the numbers and you added up all the kids and all the platforms there's a couple, you know, and our global network with Disney and we're our shows in over 200 countries and on and on every single day

and Disney just bought the rights to keeping up with the Kardashians they just bought all the archive So, you know, there's billions of people daily who are... Not only that, you said that you, you know, thousands of people you employed, if you think about it, you launched an entire industry in that you guys were the first people to understand the power of, as you pointed out that example with Kim, of using social media and creating that, and Jason says sort of establishing the brand and putting that out there, all these people in the world who now make a living doing that,

They all have really, in effect, you guys to think. Well, it's also now, it's the major engine for many of the mainstream traditional legacy companies. Corporations all took it from you guys, everybody. Yeah. Airlines to media companies, to oil companies, like everybody wants to figure out how to harness the power of that direct one-to-one connection to your customer. And it's about reach. It's about connecting with the people that are actually engaged with your product. You guys have this enormous power and influence in that space. I would imagine, and you don't have to answer this,

but I would imagine that you're constantly being courted, solicited by any number of companies to help them understand how they can reach more of their customers, stay engaged with them, amplify what it is that they do. Chris, wait until you see, Jay. Jason's hair, hair thing they just said for Jen, for Anna. It's amazing. We're true, you know, listen, everyone's trying. That's right, babe.

We'll be right back. And back to the show. I would bet it's, you can be, you could probably spend all your time just trying to educate people on how to, how to best integrate. Utilize their, yeah, their social media. Well, it's like when Kylie launched her lip kit in, you know, all those, 10 years ago. it was insane because I went to her about, I don't know, a month before the launch, knowing that she was going to create this thing. She goes, Mom, I know what I want to do for the rest of my life.

And it's beauty. And I want to, you know, do this lip kit. And now you've got to take this and run with it and figure out how to make it. And so I contacted some people I knew that could do this. They made it. And I said, so what are we doing about the marketing? Like, you know, we need an ad in People magazine. and we need to have a billboard.

And she goes, are we okay, Mom? Like, I know what I'm doing. Just relax. And I said, I can't relax. You just spent every dime you've ever made on keeping up with the Kardashians to start your own brand by yourself with your own money.

And I'm a little nervous. Mom's a little, you know, you're 17 years old. So what are you doing? And she said, I know what I'm doing. And so I'll never forget the morning she launched her brand, which was the first time she disrupted. an entire beauty business because she pressed send

on the link to go buy this and put a post out, go buy my lip kit, and I think it was four seconds and we thought the site crashed because we had to launch, you know,

and it was just sold out in seconds. And then we knew, you know, and she developed, that was her, and then it was on. She was the first one to do that.

We need to have a meeting with you offline. We need to have an hour meeting with you. Okay, guys, come on over. I'm in Chloe's podcast. She'll never know. So when you say one of the first, do you mean about how sort of the brick and mortar sort of model of?

Yeah. Yeah, I think how to sell a beauty brand online like that had never been done or any brand. And also, I think Kim was probably the first to ever sell a fragrance. Think about this. millions of fragrances online without ever smelling it. Yeah. Wow. Is that not crazy?

Yeah, I'll take that fragrance. And you've never, you're trusting that you want to smell like Kim. Meanwhile, it's still, the first fragrance is still the fragrance that I wear. Really? Every day and every day somebody goes, oh, what is that? You smell so good. So I'm so proud of that moment for her. How was the smelling sessions for?

that as you guys were developing that, sniffing a bunch of stuff and narrowing down what the scent would be. Kim and I, yeah, Kim and I went to a fragrance company in New York a few times. And by the way, this whole journey, everything I'm telling you, all the stories I could go on for days, is all on film for keeping up with the Kardashians and now the Kardashians. And that I'm so grateful for because I have the best. home movies in the world. Yeah. And I have all these beautiful, I mean, I remember we were filming,

we filmed the birth of Mason. Good God. And I'm like, we film that? Like I sit and go, we film that? But we did. I always think that's wild because my sister just sent me an audio clip that she found when she was 12 years old. And it's really scratchy and you can barely hear it.

You can tell it's her, which is so different than how kids grow up now. They have everything. they have home movies every day, you know, because of social media. And it's high quality. It looks like yesterday. Yeah, it looks like yesterday. So it's a weird thing about how memories now are stored in our brains. The kids now store it differently than the four of us do because we didn't have that.

You know, it's not archived as a kid. We didn't have any archives. Right. Can I ask you guys a question? Yeah. Capricorn. Off topic. Okay, good.

So do any of you ever go back? And really look at the photos. Yeah, I do. You have a million of in your phone? You do? Mostly of my kids. Oh, no, not my phone. No, not in the phone.

When I was a kid, like the actual hard copy photo that was taken. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, you know what I do? Every year, at the end of the year, before January 1st, I edit all my photos in my phone. So I, you know how you take 75 photos of one thing. Yeah. Edit, edit, edit, get it to where those photos on your phone or what you love.

of. Right. And there's probably 3,000 or whatever there is. Oh, God, that's a big job. I have them taken to a very trusted printer that I've been using for since the early 90s, literally. And they print them out, and I put them in an archival photo box, and they're in my archive, and I have a hard copy of every single photo that I've ever taken. Because I'm probably the only one in my family who will do that so that, you know, many, many moons from now.

they can look back and go, I remember this. Like going through the photos is such a thing for me and how I have memories of my family, my grandmother, and, you know, so I think everybody should go copy their phone once a year. That's a great idea. And archive it in a box. I think I get them at like the container store or something. But there's archival boxes.

You can get them on Amazon. And they protect the photo. But for everyone who has kids, you know, it's so special. Yeah, it is. That's my tip for the day. You should have a party and just go through each page one by one, right? And just do like a four-day party of just like each page.

Or turn on keeping up with the Kardashians. Yeah, or just that. Chris, with all of your incredible business success, I bet you're most proud of what seems to be an incredible ability to be both. a manager and a mother to not one but six of your children and and wear both of those hats in a way because my parents were my manager as well when I was growing up and I remember that was a it was a tricky challenging thing for both them and me to to manage together and yeah and try to keep both of those sides of our lives pristine

and honored, and where one is sort of like a peer relationship, and the other one is that sort of traditional deferential relationship where, you know, the kid looks up to the parent and completely listens to and defers to and follows behind kind of thing. So they're not at odds with one another, but there's a few areas of overlap, but they are different, you know? And so your ability to do that, it seems, been incredibly successful because all your kids from what I can see just seem incredibly well

grounded and kind. So can you talk a little about that? I think, first of all, my most important role is mom. So I recognize that and that's the most important thing in my life. And I feel like God has put me here at this point in my life to make sure they're okay. And I think every parent's dream is for your child to identify what they want to do in their life and go out there and find how their dream can come true, help them get there, set them off and set them up, and good to go. Like that's my, I mean, when I think about my kids and I go down the line and go, okay, today, this one's okay, I got to do the, you know, but in general, to have your kids at a really good, happy place, whether they want to be a housewife and a mom, whether they want to be an athlete,

whatever their dream is, if they're happy. And the most important thing for me is I always say, God first, family, second, everything else is third. And I've always raised my children like that. And I've always raised my kids to be, all that matters to me is that they have good hearts. They have integrity, character, great character, great integrity. They would help people that in need, that need them. and they're kind.

Be on time. Be kind. Be gentle with people. You never know what kind of a day they've been having. But stick up for yourself and be strong when you need to be strong. And all the things. Sure. You know, all the things.

And it means the most to me when I hear other people's experiences with my kids. And daily, if I show up to something and someone's been their, before me. Like, let's say I was on this podcast and maybe one of my kids had done it, or I, you know, somebody came up to me Saturday night at a dinner and said, I have the store in over here where we were and your children come in there from time to time and I've never met more kind, you know, gentle people in my life. They're the nicest people I've ever met. Every time I hear that, my heart just swells. I'm so happy because that's all that matters. Yeah, you know what, Chris, it's funny you say that.

So I was going to say, and you guys will relate to this, is there's no greater feeling than when somebody says to you, hey, I just ran into your kids, your kids are great, that your kids are so nice. It feels so good. You never get tired of hearing that. Never. When somebody compliments your kid on their character, ever. And I will say this, I don't know your kids.

And I, but I have heard, and this is anecdotal, but I have heard time and time again over the years what nice people your kids are. I'm not making this up. I have heard that so many times. That makes me so happy. It's absolutely true. Yeah. Absolutely.

I've had a couple of bad encounters. I'm just going to be honest. That's different, Sean. That's different, Sean, though. I mean, you're so confrontational. Sean, we can't hear you anymore. Sorry, Ben. Yep.

I think your mic went out. No, lovely. I, too, have met them, and they're just so genuine. They love you. I love them. I love you. I have that great time. I know.

I know. I know. I know. A secret date. I'm going to text you right after this. Okay. Wait, text, text me. Do I still, you guys? I have your number. I would imagine that, I mean, your days, my God, I can't imagine how full your days are. With all the business stuff, all the parenting stuff, you'd have to delegate a great deal.

And I'm sure you've got incredible people around you. But what is the thing that you simply cannot. delegate, will not delegate. Well, let's put it this way. At the end of the day, especially lately, the year started off like, whoa, like if you were on a treadmill at like level 62.

Yeah. I get at the end of the day decision fatigue. Yeah. If you can imagine. Like I start off so early, like at 5 a.m., I let people have access to me at that hour, meaning

I alert people, hey, we're rolling. You know, I'll call an attorney, I'll text an attorney, a business manager, somebody in Europe, somebody in New York, like, okay, we're ready to go. And it never ends. So I think that, you know, just being able to juggle, I feel like sometimes, some days are like that guy in the circus where he's got the plates in the air and you just keep taking the stick and spinning them all, you know, just making sure they're all spinning. Some days, if they're like that, that's a chill day.

Right. But if it's really buckling down, putting out fires, I mean, most days I'm a fireman. So putting out fires, making sure everybody's okay. And then, like this morning, I got a very, like a 6 a.m. call from Kylie. And she just wanted to, you know, go through something personal that she was, like, wanting an opinion on. So stop the, you know, the mom at your hat, roll into, okay, and I just got my coffee again and sat down and listened to the whole thing, gave my opinion, we're good to go. She goes, okay, it's going to be okay, mommy. It's going to be great.

Okay, we're good. And so everybody needs, you know, that emotional check-in every day. And we all just, like, I get a million times a day from Chloe. I love you, mom. Mom, you're the best. And my kids are so, Kim and I, for the last two days, texting, you know, all day from London and then Paris because she's at the Skim's opening in those two cities. Yeah. And then, you know, so there's always business to talk about.

And then an influx of photos from the event that they're at or, you know, all of it, you know, all of it. And it's been great. It's a great journey. What kind of crisis would it be if you? woke up one day and you forgot to plug your phone in overnight. Well, that would be bad. Right? You didn't.

That would be bad. But I would imagine, even waking up with a full charge, you're charging that phone around four o'clock every day anyway. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Oh, my God. For sure.

For sure. Especially if you have like a little Zoom in between. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little bit of a dreamer. But it's, yeah, no, you just, you know, you have to be prepared and ready for everything, I guess. I think I'm, I'm great at multitasking.

Yeah. And I'm great. at, I think I have, you know, emotionally, I'm pretty strong. I cry on a dime. I'll cry at a commercial. Or, you know, or if I think about something really sad, I'll, you know, I get all welly. So I try to stay out of that danger zone. I try to, like, we don't need any tears today.

But I'm a very, I think I'm a very emotional person, but I think I have good, you know, emotional intelligence. You don't have to say who, but I would ask, is there somebody in your life or probably a few, maybe, that you can dump all this stuff on

and you don't have to be the person who figures everything out. I'm sorry, Sean. Sean carries a weight around my family. It's insane. But you know what? I love it. Yeah, you do.

You're good at it too. You're very strong. What do you, what, what do people, think you control that you absolutely do not? A skim's discount. People wanting to get a little break because they know you. A skim's discount, yeah.

But Jason's previous question was good. Of course, you don't have to say names, but who is that? Who is that person that you get to lean on at the end of the day? Is it your kids? You know what? I'll tell you something. It depends on the subject and what's going on. I do have a selection.

One of my best friends, Shelley Azov, is we'll talk about the craziest stuff and we just get each other. And then I don't have to talk to her for two weeks. She's not that person who's needy and needs me to, you know, emotionally check in with her all the time. And then my cousin, Cece. But, you know, and then Corey, my partner, of course, like my boyfriend, he's amazing. He's probably thinking, this is why. Like, sometimes I want to just go in his brain and, you know, wonder, he's probably thinking, what did I go into?

But he loves us all so much and is so great. So, you know, obviously, the person that you live with is the person that probably hears and gets the brunt of it through and through. But you know who's so amazing and supportive are my kids? And each one for a different reason. Like if there's real drama with somebody, I'll tell you the time. I don't know how Chloe carries it. Chloe, you guys have to, you haven't had Chloe on yet, right? No, no, no.

Chloe is such a great guest. Yeah. But Chloe, Chloe is a saint. She's an angel. She's not only is like the Pied Piper with all the kids, and she's the one who every single weekend has the sleepover and is making Taco Tuesdays for all the kids and having Bible study on Thursday nights for the kids at her house.

And I mean, she's like all the cousins. are, you know, she's the Pied Piper. She's the cutest thing ever. But she's also got such amazing, intense, emotional support to offer if you're going through something. And she's so intelligent about stuff. It's really great. And so's Kim. And all of them.

I mean, I was talking to Kylie, like I said this morning, about something else. But they're all so, you know, Kendall's like my therapist. And if I want to talk about anything. in the environment, you know, Courtney's my go-to and she'll come over and throw all my pots and pans away. So, you know, they're all, we're all so connected. Yeah, but so when the house thinned out, because I'm dealing with this now, one just went off to college and my youngest, I've got another few years, but I'm already just like dreading being an empty nester. I'm just going to miss them so much. As your house started to thin out,

And now it's just you and Corey, right? Right. Well, okay, so the part that maybe you're missing is I live in a gated community. Yeah. And we all live down the street from each other. Right. So it's never. Chloe lives next door.

She lives 50 feet away. Right. So it doesn't get any closer than that without being in the same bedroom. Right. That's great. And then I'll come home and, you know, I mean, Kendall's the only one who lives a little bit further but everyone we all live in the same area we're all at each other's houses and and you know I'll call Kim's house at least three times a week do you guys have any food over there I'm starving I

don't buy it and then somebody runs over to get it and it's like it's very convenient I can only imagine that the holidays are just like this just like an idyllic just all those would you say 13 grandkids running around it's our Super Bowl it's It's delicious. And one of the kids has Christmas Eve. We usually do a big Christmas Eve party. And then I do Christmas morning. That's my tradition.

And we have so many amazing traditions in our family. We celebrate, you know, Groundhog's Day. We celebrate everything. Really? We can't wait to do a party. We can't wait to celebrate somebody's special occasion or event or, you know, the kids graduating from kindergarten. or, you know, it makes life really special.

Yeah, you keeping up on all that stuff will be a full-time job for me as it is right there. Let's just keeping up with the Kardashians. Yeah, there you go. You know, when you say your kids are, you know, like an emptiness thing and your kids are getting older and it happens so fast. And, you know, I think that it's just really important

to remember that we're just that they're not far away and just create these memories and moments as much as you can to stay connected. Because people ask me a lot, how do you raise a family? You guys are all so close, genuinely close. And, you know, I often say you just, it's not something that you can really teach.

It's something that you just have to feel and do. Yeah. I got to tell you, we've done, how many of these have we done, you guys? A couple hundred? We've done like 300? This is the first time, no joke. that I've looked at the clock and been shocked

that we are at an hour 15. I know. Really? I thought we were like an hour. I thought we were like 40 minutes. First of all, I'm sorry that we're 15 minutes over. It's fine. Chloe's, I'm going to have a meeting with her

and we're filming our show, and she's probably going to walk into our studio and go, what the hell are you doing this? Before we let you go, excuse me, I want to talk about All's Fair, just for one quick sec or a long sec, if you want. The show on Hulu, executive producing on, like, so now this is scripted. Yes.

And Ryan Murphy's producing, writing, directing. And this, do you prefer the scripted stuff? Do you want to mix it all in? Do you want to go, you know, how much, tell us about the ratio between scripted and unscripted going forward for you guys? So doing an unscripted show. is truly unscripted for us. We have no scripts.

I don't even know half the time, I'm being perfectly honest, what we're going to film that day. I'll know on my schedule, amongst all the other things I'm doing that day. It'll be glam. Kardashians is filming, you know, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I don't know what's happening.

I think, you know, I knew my crew was going to be here today because I do know that we're going to film something later and I'm working with Chloe and I think Kylie's probably here. But I'm really not sure some days, like what we're, but it always works out and it's always magic. So that's that side of it. I don't think, honestly, I could do more than one of those types of shows because it's not something that I want to manufacture what's going on. And at that point, what else is there to talk? You know, so it would have to be scripted.

So when Ryan Murphy came over for dinner one night and I said to Kim come by, because as I said, we all live down the street from each other. I said, come over. Ryan Murphy's going to come over. I'm so obsessed with him. And we love what he does and all of that. So he came over.

And I remember we had a conversation. And I said, why don't, he said, why don't you, you know, to Kim, you know, maybe we could work together. And I said, Ryan, maybe write a show for her. Like, why don't you write something? Right. And we'll do something really exciting. In the meantime, he put her in American Horror Story, which she did a great job.

Right. And she's not a trained actress. Right. She did phenomenal. And she got, she was happy with it. She loved the process, which I thought was a little concerning to me because there's a lot of waiting around. Yeah. There's a lot of structure.

There's a lot of, it's much, much different than, oh, bring the camera over. all shoot it on my iPhone, you know, I'm doing a reality show. It's much, obviously, you guys know that better than it. You're three actors. You know, we're not actors by trade. Right. And so when she did it, she loved the process. And then I've suddenly got a call from Ryan.

And he said, I have something for you. And I said, hold up. Come over. Let me get my crew. So he came over to the house. We had a martini. He presented this idea for Kim, for All's Fair. And we,

love the idea. Kim signed on. They talked about who would be her co-stars. And let me tell you something, these women were so generous and kind and amazing to her and really wrap their arms around her. And Ryan Murphy surrounded her with the most incredible group of women and we had the time of our lives. She suddenly had a renewed spirit. She was making friends with people. She would never, you know, have these relationships with. And I saw her beaming, you know, and really enjoying what she was doing. And now it got picked up for season two. And it's, it's been, you know, Sarah, Sarah Paulson and Glenn Close and Tiana Taylor and Naomi Watts and Nisi Nash and Kim and this beautiful cast. Also a cast.

And the fashion that they all loved. And they just all loved hanging out with Kim. She loved hanging out with them. And I saw this genuine friendship evolve and develop over time. And it's been really, really amazing for me to get to witness that for my daughter. I'm so proud of her. That's great. Yeah.

Really, really great. Yeah. And they're going into season two, and that's a big deal. And they start next month. So I'm really excited. And now Kim is filming her first, well, not her first movie, but a big movie that's a comedy. And it's going to be really, really good.

It's called Fifth Wheel. Very nice. I'm glad things are finally working out for you guys. And, you know, you're starting to get a little wind at your backs. You know, we're just trying, man. It's just awesome. It's a grind. Chris, it's just, it really is incredible.

I'm so, so thankful that you came on and you spent more than an hour with us telling us how you've done it all and how you continue to do it all. And we're rooting for you and we'll be watching all the next years going forward with this incredible story, truly. I appreciate you guys so much. And thank you for being so lovely and supportive. and I'm just grateful to be a part of this, you know, life and the entertainment community and to be able to add a little something. And I just, I come from a place of incredible gratitude. So for everybody that watches our show or has given us any kind of support or kindness

or just, you know, just, you know, being watching from afar, it means the world. And, you know, I think that, you know, It's just, it's great to be and come from a place of gratitude and just be kind to each other. Yeah, well, our audience is certainly grateful for what you've done. Well, we love you. We love you. Yeah. Love you guys so much.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And Jason, I can't wait for our next vacation with Amanda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Us too. Okay. Okay, we'll plan it out.

Okay, good. All right. All right. All right. Thank you very much. Bye, guys. Thanks, Chris. Bye, honey.

See ya. Bye. Bye. Bye. Wow. Yeah. Powerhouse. Honestly, I didn't, I did not realize the time. I could have listened to her, explain it all for even longer. She's so well-spoken and succinct. There's so much more to that story too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dang it.

And, you know, when I feel like lazy or something, like, look at her, man. I know. Like, what? Her days, she's starting at five in the morning and probably goes till 10,000. 10 at night on something that you just can't phone in. Right? I mean, the switch has got to be flicked on and she is just running shit. I mean, if I have like two things in my day that I've got to like focus on, I'm like, oh, damn it.

Like, when can I put my PJs back on? If it's after 4 o'clock, it's just, oh. I'm kidding. But yeah, like the whole, I love the entrepreneur. and the philanthropy and she's just a cool hang. Yeah. I like her. And, you know, she's so unique.

Uh-oh. She's so unique and she's so different. It's really like one in a million. She's really, she's like a human being that's not, it's not easy to come by. Bye. That's the sentence. Come by. It's not easy to come by.

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