Smosh Mouth - #34 - We Got TikTok's Science Guy

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

Go to http://meundies.com/smoshmouth to get 20% off your first order and free shipping. YouTube legend, author, scientist, yoyoer(?) - Hank Green is here! 0:00-1:59 Intro 2:00-16:55 Hank Green does everything 16:56-22:29 Hank's stand-up journey 22:30-36:07 Hank and science 36:08-37:07 Sponsors! 37:08-49:19 How we think 49:20-53:39 VidCon 53:40-1:15:09 More science SUBSCRIBE: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshCast WEAR OUR JOKES: https://smosh.com WHO YOU HEAR Shayne Topp // https://www.instagram.com/shaynetopp/ Amanda Lehan-Canto // https://www.instagram.com/filmingamanda/ Hank Green // https://www.instagram.com/hankgreen/ WHO YOU DON’T HEAR (usually) Director: Amanda Lehan-Canto, Shayne Topp Producer: Amanda Lehan-Canto, Shayne Topp, Selina Garcia Assistant Director: Amanda Barnes Art Director: Cassie Vance Assistant Art Director: Erin Kuschner Art Coordinator: Alex Aguilar Audio Mixer: Scott Neff Audio Utility: Dina Ramli Camera Operator: Eric Wann Director of Photography: Brennan Iketani Director of Design: Brittany Hobbs DIT/AE: Eric Schinzer CEO: Alé Catenese EVP of Production: Zoe Moacanin EVP of Programming: Kiana Parker Executive Coordinator: Rachel Collis IT: Tim Baker Operations PA: Katie Fink Post Production Manager: Luke Baker Production Manager: Amanda Barnes Production Coordinator: Marcus Munguia Production Assistant: Ovsana Tsaturian Senior Manager, Channel & Strategy: Lizzy Jones Marketing Director: Dani Howe Social Creative Producer: Peter Ditzler, Tommy Bowe Social Strategist: Erica Noboa, Mallory Myers Talent Coordinator: Selina Garcia OTHER SMOSHES: Smosh: https://smo.sh/Sub2Smosh Smosh Pit: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshPit Smosh Games: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshGames El Smosh (Spanish Dub): https://smo.sh/Sub2ElSmosh FOLLOW US: TikTok: https://smo.sh/TikTok Snapchat: http://smo.sh/OnSnapchat Instagram: https://instagram.com/smosh Facebook: https://facebook.com/smosh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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slash locations. From tires to auto repair, we're always there. Treadexperts.ca You look so nice. Thank you. I mean, and like you, it feels like you didn't match the energy. Hi, welcome to Smosh Mouth. I'm Shane.

Ladies and gentlemen. I'm Amanda. I mean, it's all together. It's like an amazing look. Thank you, Hank Green. Guys, this is Hank Green, my new favorite person, and finally called out what is happens every episode.

I always look so good and Shane looks like he crawled out of a gutter. He looks like maybe it's intentional. Here's the thing. out of a gutter. He looks like, it looks like I'm not, maybe it's intentional. Just like the. Here's the thing. Yeah.

We're so happy to have Hank here today. You could clean a little up around the neck. Yeah. I actually agree on that one. Shane just wishes we could all be in like denim, denim jeans and white t-shirts. And I was like, it doesn't work for ladies.

It's just, it would look so weird. They'd be like like are you from the 80s cleaning a car are you in a band where you all wear an outfit yeah grease lightning squash we're all in the 80s in a rock band

well this show has already started this is how we're beginning this episode thank you for starting off with a roast I'm used to it that's what we do around here more of a compliment than a roast. I'm used to it. It's what we do around here. It's good to see you too. More of a compliment than a roast.

Yeah. Compliment for you. Yeah. You only heard one part of that. Correct. I filtered. I had no idea how this episode was going to go, but I'm happy for the energy. It's perfect.

You're bringing. Glad to have you here. This is your first time at the Smosh studio. It is. I was surprised. I was like, look at this large building. Yeah.

I wish I had large pillarless rooms in my studio. We're always like dodging around like an object. Well, we're bringing pillars in next week.

We're going to install a bunch. Which is crazy because like you do so much on your own. Yeah. You do so much. You do, you have a TikTok. I have. Where you're basically a Yeah. You do so much. You have a TikTok.

I have a TikTok. You're basically a scientist. Look at that. You've got a TikTok. You have a TikTok. Very good. Did you know about my alt TikTok? No.

I actually don't think I know about your alt. No, not a lot of people do. Are you about to tell us? All right. Give it. No, that's all. You can find it on your own. Okay.

Hank Green has an alt TikTok, which I love. So it's probably not about science. It's only got like six videos on it. It's where I go when I'm feeling real. Oh, yes. Like this one can't go on the main. Doing TikTok dances. This is really

dumb. We can just go there and you just be like... No, the dances go on the regular one. Yeah, the dances go on the regular one. Yeah, the dances go on the regular one. Yeah, you've got your TikTok. You are one of the founders of VidCon. You've started so many companies and things.

And I know this because I've seen it at Barnes & Noble every time I go. You've also written a book. Yeah, two. You've written two. Fuck you. Wait, wait. I don't know what the rules are. Yes, you can swear. You can say whatever you want. You can swear always You've written two. Fuck you. Wait, wait. I don't know what the rules are. Yes, you can swear.

No, you can say whatever you want. You can swear always at Shane. Yeah. Always at me. I like this. I like the new rules. I like to know who's in charge. Smosh is me.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm not buying your book now. Wait, you wrote two. So you wrote a New York Times bestseller. They both were, but I don't know. You made me say it. Oh, my God.

Wow, Hank. Okay. An absolutely remarkable thing. Yeah, and then there's a sequel, A Beautifully Foolish Endeavor. Wow. A Beautifully Foolish Endeavor. Oh, okay. I love that.

When did that one come out? 2020, I think. And when did the other one come out? 2018. Damn. Did you always know that you were going to write a sequel? Oh, yes. Oh, okay. Oh, you were going to write a sequel. You didn't know that you were going to write a sequel? Oh, yes. Oh, you were going to write a sequel. You didn't always know you were going to write a book?

Yes. Okay. So the first book, basically, I was like, here's the story. I know what the story is. I know how it starts and how it ends. And then I was writing the first book, and then it ended. But it didn't get to the end. The book very naturally

reached a climax. There was a conclusion, but it didn't reach the end of the story you. The book very naturally reached a climax. There was a conclusion. But it didn't reach the end of the story. So I was like, well, I guess this is going to be two books. How did you know that it reached an end? You just knew. You were like, it's time. You'll be like, that's an end.

You're like, it's time. There's nothing worse than having an end and keep going. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I couldn't do that to people. But then I did because there was a sequel. I see that that is two different things, though. Yes.

Is that the end of it? It's all done now. That is literally it. Then I reached the end of the story that I wanted to tell. And I was like, I did it. And you're good. You don't feel like the pull to write another book? Another book, sure, but not with those characters.

Not that world. Okay, so it's about different characters. It's about human beings. Okay. Living. Life. No. Stop!

I was like, you're not who I thought you were. Okay. Where am I? You've got it. 60 minutes? No, it's about a young woman who gets famous on the internet because she meets the very first space alien. That's cool. So it's more about her journey of fame than it is about aliens.

My dad and sister would be obsessed with this book. But then it becomes a big thing. Every time there's a big new thing in society, what do we do? We figure out what are the two sides going to be so that we can yell at each other about it. Correct. Love and hate. And that's the stage. Love and hate.

It's sort of sucked into the world of punditry and creation and fame. Wow. And then also maybe the world is in danger. Because of the aliens or the humans. Yeah, exactly. Uh-huh. Which is it? Or is it both?

It's two sides who are always fighting. Yeah, well, those two sides, well, we're not going to get into it. I don't want to spoil too much. I'm going to buy it next time I go to Barnes & Noble. He's said this so many times. He's walked past it over and over and over again. Because I don't, I go to the

fantasy sci-fi section, that's where I look for books. You read sci-fi and you know me and you're like, well, there it is. I guess I'll get the new Robin Hobb well there it is I'm gonna read Annihilation yeah god no I'm gonna be bummed out for a little bit instead yeah I I will I just always notice because like you know I know your brother's also an author but like I I see that I'm like oh damn. Okay. My favorite thing is when people who have dealt with some level of

like internet fame read it and they're like wow. Help. Okay. Thank you for that because it kind of helps. Oh that's interesting. Well. That really makes me want to read it even though you and me are not internet famous. You are. You get recognized. I do actually.

One time I was with my dad at the airport, and I got recognized, and he was like, you know that person? I'm like, no, dad, I clearly don't. They came up to me and asked for a picture at 6 a.m. No, I don't. That's not usually how people I know talk to me. Yeah, no. And my son once said that he was six.

He said to me, I didn't even know we knew that person. The way some people recognize you sometimes, they treat you as if they've known you for a long time. Yeah, that's true. I had a guy once, I was at the gym and I'm in between sets and I'm sitting there and I have headphones in and I'm kind of looking at my phone

and this guy just walks up and he just goes and he just holds out his hand and he's like, hey man. And I was just like Uh what? Congratulations On those muscles You did as well

Congratulations I'm like oh you know Smosh He's like I don't know Smosh I don't know anything Just want to shake your hand Congratulations I shake a stranger's hand Every day

Congratulations For what? Nothing dude That's it I think you Probably Have done some good stuff In your life And I just wanted you to know You squat. That's it. I think you probably have done some good stuff in your life. And I just wanted you to know that that's how I feel.

Yeah, man. Shake your hand after that. Squat. Holy shit. That's crazy. No, but people will greet you in crazy ways. We should all do that to each other, maybe. What? Just go to a stranger and be like, I think you're probably doing a really good job.

I actually would love that. I find myself living in LA, people don't want to make eye contact a lot. When I go back home, people will be like, you look very nice today, and I enjoy it. And just like you said that to me, I was like, it was so

refreshing. And then it reminded me like, oh yeah, that's great. That's what human beings should do although some people take it a little too far some people take it a little too far they go too hard I'm just afraid of like creeping people out like strangers you know

Shane if you said that to me I'd be like thanks so much man yeah but you guys know I agree you never people got different rules you know so you have to be careful aliens and humans hey put it there. Boom. I just wanted to say, I think you're doing good out here.

You're working hard. I guess at the gym, that could be nice. Yeah. I'll start doing that. Yeah. I'm not even going to get to my workout, because I'm going to shake everyone's hand at the gym. Yeah, good for you. That'll be good.

You're doing good tonight. That'll be solid. So, Hank Green, you do a lot. You do the gym. Yeah, good for you. That'll be good. You did good today. That'll be solid. So, Hank Green, you do a lot. You do a lot. Yeah, sometimes. Is there something, what can't you do?

I mean, really. Spanish. You can't do Spanish? Not by language. Bienvenidos? Y tú? No problema. There you go.

I wish, I would love to speak, I would love to speak another language. I used to play kit drum. I used to play drum set. Oh, cool. And I can't do that anymore. It literally hurts.

My body isn't capable of it. My wrists start hurting really fast. So I'd like to be able to do that again. I'm better than you at yo-yo, but not as good as I'd like to be. Well, Amanda's pretty good. I don't know what you're talking about. I was never good at yo-yo. but not as good as I'd like to be. Well, Amanda's pretty good. I don't know what you're talking about. Is there a spin star in the room? No, I don't believe so.

Wait, is that the term for being good at yo-yo? No, that's a kind of yo-yo. Oh, see? Not good at yo-yo. I thought a spin star was like, hey, I'm a spin star myself. Check it out. He just does the rock the cradle. It's a certification that you receive from the yo-yo academy. Okay.

So when, when do you use yo-yoing in any situation? No, never. Okay. Oh, that's what that you want to get better at it. But maybe with your son. Yeah. So you have a six year old son. Yeah.

And he actually does enjoy yo-yoing and we yo-yo together. Okay. Well, that's really cool. He's seven. He just turned seven. I can't fathom having you as a father. That's gotta be so insane. Sick.

It's very normal for him right now. Right now. Yeah, no, and he loves YouTube, and he does not really know I'm a YouTuber. Oh, really? Yeah. He doesn't know your channel. He doesn't, no,

because he doesn't watch SciShow. He's watched, SciShow has like a kid's channel that he watches, and I have been on that, and also like the person who hosts it is a friend of ours, and has been to our house, and he like he'll be like where's squeaks uh which is like the puppet on the show to jesse who hosts the show and uh and i now he gets that it's a puppet but back when he was littler and the uh the yeah but he none of the things that i do like quite overlap

with his stuff yet. But he, like, knows that, like, he knows about subscribers, you know? Okay. Because, like, the channels he watches are like, we got a million subscribers. And, like, at some point he's going to have to find out that I have a channel with, like, 15 million subscribers. Yeah, you do. And he's going to be like, oh, what? Dad, can we talk for a second?

He wants to, like, he talks about uploading a video. And he's like, if we uploaded a video, maybe we could get subscribers and I'm like, yeah. Do you want him to have a YouTube? I don't.

Not, I mean, I'd be happy for him to explore whatever thing he's excited about when I feel like he's capable of handling it.

Yeah. Which, what age is that? I don't know. I think it's very dependent, you know. Yeah, I agree. So wait,

okay, so SciShow, you have a kids like portion on it. Yeah, there's a SciShow kids as a separate channel. That's so cool.

But you're not in it. But your son knows like you are in charge of that. Yeah. That you played a part in creating. He like, but like to him, my job is meetings.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And just knowing job is meetings. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And just knowing science. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. That's still pretty cool.

And also currently, all these things you're doing, you are now currently trying stand-up. Yeah. It's been really fun. And I don't want to do it forever. Okay. But I'm happy to be doing it right now. You're brave for even hopping into it, because I've had people try to tell me to do it. I am scared to be doing it right now. You're brave for even hopping into it because I've had people try to tell me to do it. I am scared to death of it.

Well, at one point, so when I was first starting out, I have a friend who is big in the stand-up scene in Missoula. And I reached out to her and I was like, hey, I wrote this thing that I think I could do on a stage and it would be stand-up comedy, question mark? And she was like, and I was like, what would I do? How would I find some time to do it? And she was like, and I was like, what would I do? Like how would I like find some time to do it? And she was like, well, you know, it's a small town.

It's like the Elks Lodge and do the open mic. And I was like, no, I don't want to do that at all. I definitely don't want to, like I feel like I'm cheating to some extent. Okay. But I was like, what if we just rented a theater and sold tickets? And like, so that's what we did. We like rented a theater in Missoula, 100 person seats. Nice.

100 person seats, 100 seats for people. And we rented it every Monday for two months. And I started with 10 minutes. And at the end of it, I had 60. Oh, my God. Wait, you started with 10? Because that's pretty high. I feel like people usually do, like, five.

Well, I mean, yeah, 10 is only two fives. Okay, no. Okay, I know you're a science whiz. Come on. Like, get off my back. So, okay. God. Honestly, it's harder to do tight.

It's harder to get tight. I completely agree with you. It's better to do longer. So, would you ever yo-yo on your stand-up? You know, I thought about it. I have a yo-yo joke in the show. Well, we have a yo-yo here. Do you?

Yeah. It's right here. Oh, he's inspecting it. Oh, God. Is it a spin star? He's making sure it's of quality. It's totallying it Oh god is it a spin star Making sure it's of quality This is a good enough yo-yo Okay

Am I gonna yo-yo on the show I will describe it for our listeners Tank Green is standing I know but For anyone on Spotify There's some good oh he's stalling it there at the bottom Hold on I don't.

I don't know if the cam can see. What? You don't want to hurt anybody. Oh, he's spinning it around. Honey, you're hurting us already. Oh, no. He has lost control of the yo-yo. Talent. I'm not that good. No, I meant with your talent. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I can do it around the world.

Okay. It just goes... It just shatters. Probably, that was just another one. It just goes. It just shatters. Probably hasn't been broken in yet. Oh, it's got it very sticky. Oh, I was gonna say, are you gonna do the triangle thing? I was gonna just do the triangle thing,

but it's too sticky. It's too, guys, it's too sticky. Maybe I can loosen it a little bit. Oh, close. Okay, that was actually pretty good. Almost rocked the cradle. Oh, thanks. Bravo. Our team had a yo-yo, and I just, that was actually pretty good. Almost rocked the cradle. Oh, thanks. Our team had a yo-yo, and we had to.

We had to try. We had to see. Not that we didn't trust you. Yeah, put it in your pocket. You can keep it. You can keep it. Always remember us. There's a lot of stuff here, so I'm actually not surprised.

There is way too much stuff, because this is here on our game stage, and we have like Five copies of every board game ever made So take stuff. Okay, we need to get rid of a bunch. Yeah, we need Marie Kondo to take stuff Oh, I I don't need her. I like to be surrounded by clutter I want really does that help with stand-up bits because I I feel like I did stand up for like six months and I feel Like if I had stuff on my desk, I could not think

when I was writing my set. Oh no, no. I don't exist in a physical spaces most of the time. Tell me about that. Okay, what? Let's talk about that. Okay, what did you say? After the yo-yo bit, it indulges. 15 minutes in, I don you realize Hank Green is insane.

I don't know what I mean exactly, but I don't know that, I don't see the things around me. I know what you're saying. You're not affected by your immediate space. Yeah, well, I also like, often, I just sort of, I feel like I'm very, I'm kind of internal. Like, even right now. Okay. I feel like there's a separate little system running that's doing the visual parts. But I'm...

You're a little tiny guy. Yeah. You're a little guy inside of a human robot suit. Yeah. I like, okay, that's awesome. Yeah. Great. And certainly, especially while I'm at a computer or on like –

So it does not matter if things are piled up. You can still like write – And my wife will come in and be like, I'm leaving immediately. She is me. Yeah. Wow, cool. So when you're writing your stand-up bit, like what gets you inspired to – I mean it started from writing like my chemo journal.

So I had cancer. Oh, yeah, you had cancer. Sorry that we didn't mention that at the top. I guess that is a thing that happened to you that you accomplished. Well, I don't know. People did things. Did it accomplish you? And at the moment, I'm in remission.

Congratulations. Congratulations. And so it's a really good idea, anytime you're dealing with significant anything in your life, to be journaling. And so I was journaling just to keep track of symptoms but also to like deal with stuff and uh it was like there were times when i like make a joke to myself and then i was watching a lot of stand-up because it was like the only thing my brain could latch on to because you're so stupid when you're on

chemo oh really couldn't watch a movie because i'd forget the beginning by the end. Oh, that's so frustrating. And so, yeah, I was doing that. But the thought process, again, the thought process I went through, I can't really remember it. Because at some point I must have emailed Sarah, and I guess I could look back and see, and been like, how would I do stand-up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're going through chemotherapy, and then in that, you were like, I'm'm gonna write a whole stand-up set well i started to write jokes i don't know like i like i was worried that i so being funny is important to me um being entertaining is important to me

and i was worried that that like that's very it's like hard it's like cognitively one of the complicated things that people do and i was worried that i'd's very it's like hard. It's like cognitively one of the complicated things that people do. And I was worried that I'd like lose it. Oh, because I because like, you know, you get a lot of brain fog and you wanted to preserve it. And and I also think that it's like a really it's like a good way to keep your brain activated during the hard time. So, yeah, definitely good to deal with dark times, too. Yeah. Yeah. So I yeah. deal with dark times too yeah yeah so i uh yeah and um and and then from the journal jokes i like

wrote a video that i used some of those in the video and then uh and then what i found is if i just like sort of stood up in my office and walked around and said the jokes out loud then like the jokes would make more jokes happen uh-huhhuh. Yeah, yeah. You were kind of like beginning an improvised thought a little bit and then you just like attach them. What do you do from like okay, I have curly hair now. Where do you go with that? So you have curly

hair now? Yeah. I remember I saw something where you were talking about that on Twitter and I was a little confused. So wait, you have curly hair now. Yeah, yeah. So chemotherapy. Shaved your you have curly hair now. Yeah, yeah. So chemotherapy. Shaved your head. Your hair goes away, and sometimes it comes back different.

Really, really, really curly. Yeah, oftentimes curly. Everybody here is nodding. I did not know that fact. My aunt had breast cancer, and when she shaved her head, she had stick straight hair. It was just like that.

Tiny, beautiful curls, and Yeah. It was just like that. Tiny, beautiful curls. And then her hair was just like curly. Yeah. Just completely changed. How did I not know about this? Yeah. Wild. Yeah.

I didn't know about it either. Wow. He's a new person. What are the chances of it coming back different? Really high. Yeah. Like it usually comes back curly, but sometimes people with curly hair, it comes back straight. Straight. And then they're like, damn it. Maybe? Yeah. I don't high. Yeah. Like it usually comes back curly but sometimes people with curly hair it comes back straight. Straight and then they're like damn it. Maybe?

Yeah. I don't know. Here's what I know about curly hair is that I think it's like better but harder. It's so much harder. Yeah. Because temperature humidity. Yeah. Products. You have so many products. The works. I have to like get it like I could just fall out of bed in the morning and be like

and be done. Now I'm like I have to go do stuff. You're like out of bed in the morning and be like, and be done. Now I'm like, I have to go do stuff. This curl is on its own. Yeah, sometimes. And I've got to get my haircuts more often. I've got to take showers more often. But I can't wash my hair as much. Twice a week.

Yeah. That's the amount of time you can wash your hair. So just heads up. For curly hair. So are you going to start a curly hair blog on top of all the things? I am the new Jonathan Van Ness, but for curly hair. Good morning, bitch. What does he say?

Good morning, sluts. Does he say that? Yeah. That sounds right. All right. Damn. Okay. I feel like in this episode.

I don't think that I'm going to be using that particular language. Good morning, science sluts. That's your new catchphrase oh yeah you're a new man after this sub science slut we got it we got the quote we got it I would be in all right I will say if a tick tock starts with that

I'm gonna watch till the end yeah I don't know if I got a really good fact sometime I'm probably gonna get cut sub science sub science sluts don'tuts. Don't eat grass. Don't eat grass. You should because I was watching your TikTok

and I was like, wow. Like I was enthralled. I was like, oh yeah, I want to know that. I want to know that. And you have this really fun

like comedy element and you kind of get to it. You know how sometimes those videos, you're like, all right, well, do I have to click something to find out the answer here?

Yeah. You know what I mean? You probably hate that too. So you kind of, you got to it. You were fast. You were witty. You're funny. You're grounded.

So I loved your TikTok. Thanks. So you can take science slits. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I've learned a lot from your TikTok. I've learned not to eat grass.

That's important. No metal in the microwave. But there's metal in the microwave. I watched that too. That got a lot of views. There's metal in the microwave, but then you can't have too much metal. Yeah. I mean... Very confusing. Microwaves are weird. They bounce around. You just don't want them to bounce around

and get concentrated in one area. I don't have a microwave. That's weird. Okay. Well... How do you... Do you just eat cold food? Oh, I put it in the oven. I heat it up the olden ways. That's going to take a very long time. I'm hungry right now.

Oh, I heat it up in the olden days. I actually am a cold food guy. I like cold food, too. Oh, man, I'll be eating, like, cold curry, and my wife's like, you cannot. That's pretty intense. And I'm like, if I heat it up, it'll have too much flavor. Too much spice? No, it's not the spice. It's pretty intense. And I'm like, if I heat it up, it'll have too much flavor. Too much spice? No, it's not the spice.

It's the flavor. It's the flavor. It's like it gets all aromatic, and I'm like, no, no, keep, stay. I just want it to be slimy and creamy. Oh, my God. You are so science. Gruel. Oh, God.

Some Thai gruel. I hate that. Damn. I hate that. Do you guys have any gruel here? Yeah. Big fan. Yeah. Some Thai gruel. I hate that. Damn. Do you guys have any gruel here? Yeah. Big fan. Yeah.

Some coconut gruel. You know so much stuff. Are you like learning new things every day? Like how do you go about learning new science stuff? I love learning stuff. You just like go down. You just like let your curiosity take you around. Down the rabbit hole.

But I also feel like on TikTok, a lot of people are saying wrong shit. So if your curiosity can take you to the wrong sources all the time. You have to have some good systems for knowing what is more likely to be accurate, what you can put more trust in. I mean, always I like to get more than one, like a piece of information from more than one direction.

Sure. But there are also times when you're like, oh, this is not one of the directions. Like I cannot trust anything about this. I need to like, I can use what this person said to do some research and figure out what that stat's based on, but like, you know, there's a lot. People will say things and then it will become a, the like, cite the thing that the person said.

And it's just like, that was just a person who said a thing. And just because they said it at the UN doesn't mean that they were right. Correct. My TikTok feed every single day, I get served someone who's just saying a thing. Oh yeah. And I'm like, okay, I don't, you're just saying a thing. Oh yeah. And I'm like, okay, I don't, you're just saying a thing. And then, and, and you,

you, we were talking about it before you came on here about the lacrimal sack. Okay. Yeah. First of all, you got me, man. Yeah.

I watched, I watched your Tik TOK where a girl was like, where are your eyelashes go when they fall out of your eyelashes? And I was like, yeah, yeah. And you had this whole thing about the lacrimal sac. Thank you.

Which is a real thing. Which is a real thing. But you said all the eyelashes go in there and they're like, they don't want to tell you this, but you got to get surgery to get all those little eyelashes out of there. And I was, my stress level was high. And then you were like, I can't believe you believe that. That's not true. And they just fall out.

See you later, science slut. That's a science slut moment. But I remember being like, damn, he got me. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, if you've got an authoritative voice, there's like a certain way of talking even where you're like, that seems right. But also, I've told you things that are definitely true before. Exactly. And if the video just stopped there, I probably would have gone around to everyone, which is what I do.

And I go, so this thing is true. Crazy enough, you know this sack right here? Filled with eyelashes. That's what I do. And people will be like, that's not true. And I'm like, don't debunk me. And if you put true things around it, you'll be like, because humans aren't actually meant to live much past their sexual maturity. So once you're not able to have babies anymore, why does your body even take care of itself?

So your teeth fall out and your lacrimal sac fills up with eyelashes. And then a woman is like, oh, God. My teeth are next, doctor. I promise you there are several people who didn't watch to the end. I know. And then are out there. That's why I don't like to the end. I know. And then are out there. That's why I don't like to make that kind of content. But I don't know.

But it's so funny. Also, you've got to know. You've got to be like you can't trust everything that you see. No, it's a valid, very valid thing. You've got to teach a lesson to these children. And also the grown-ups, too. Mostly the grown-ups. The grown-ups have some issues as well. Do you ever touch on, like, I feel like I went through down a food science path.

Food is so hard. Food is so hard. Like, gluten in general. And I feel like I looked at these sites and I was like, this is true. And I started telling people and they were like, that doesn't make any sense. But I do have a question. If you know anything about food science are brown are brown rice and whole wheat are they actually good for you yeah you you told me the other day

we were at we were we were in line at thin to me and you were like you're like i was like uh i i need to eat brown rice but like it's just i don't like it as much and you're like it's actually i heard it might be bad for you. And I was like, what? That's great news. I was like, I have to eat white rice? That's also the problem. TikTok will tell you facts that you want to hear. This wasn't from TikTok.

This is from a doctor. Okay. Well, look, maybe, what kind of doctor? Was it a doctor on TikTok? Because you can't trust those doctors. It was a doctor on TikTok. He was selling me a probiotic dr phil said and i'm i bought his probiotic so so i mean look in general everything's the same like it's not like

like the it's there's like our world is not great at getting us to eat the way that we should okay and this is a problem. It is too easy to eat too much because food is too good. Like that's my big thing. I think the biggest problem is that food tastes really good now. It does. It just didn't used to taste this good. Correct.

Like I went through like we made a video, my wife and I, from her grandmother's recipe book, but it was just a book with recipes pasted into it. Oh, yeah. And we made a bunch of them, and they're so bad. It's like, of course these people were skinny. Were they jello? One of them was called Mexican Chop Suey, which is just like, I think that's racist.

I've had this. I think it's a problem. You've had Mexican Chop Suey? I've had Mexican Chop I think it's a problem. You've had Mexican chumps too? I've had Mexican chumps too. Yeah. Because my grandmother, my Irish grandmother, had like pasted from like magazines. Yeah. Old school.

Oh, yeah. Joy of cooking. Yeah. Yeah. We made one called Welsh Rabbit. And here's what Welsh Rabbit was. It was toast with soup poured on top of it. But not any soup.

Just a can of soup. Nightmare. Where's the rabbit come in? I looked it up. It was something called rarebit, and that got turned into rabbit by the magic of language. And rarebit was like a bread soup in a place at one point. So you made this video with your wife yeah it's very good trying it super fun oh i'm gonna watch lots of like jello with celery in it just like awful stuff

yeah the so in in general the like the brown is fiber and fiber is really good for you like having like one of the big problems with the american diet is we do not have a lot of fiber in our diets and that results in a lot of different problems that we can get into if you'd like but are not pleasant can can you do some tiktoks on this yeah maybe i actually the other thing is i swear to god i will eat less of a burrito if it's in a brown wrapper i just like the fiber like if if it's a like a straight white tortilla i will eat every bit of it because it tastes like delicious chewy i'm sweet so good so perfect yeah it's so but like if it's a wheat tortilla i'm just not going to eat the end you know so this whole time i thought those were just

bad for you so i was like i shouldn't be eating that yeah i'm look the other thing is it's all pretty much all the same. The problem is the food is so delicious. That's like my big thing. I think the food is just too tasty. I love that. Food is too delicious. Especially like just, I don't know.

Pancakes? Sandwiches. Bread. I was going to say bread. Bread is a problem. Sorry, I went on a food thing. I kind of needed to ask you that. Also, I'm not a nutritionist, so grain of salt, everybody. But also, Amanda,

I also feel like food is too delicious, but also, we are bombarded with misinformation so much every day. And I notice there's this trend nowadays where I feel like everyone wants to be the person that provides you with something new. Everybody on TikTok is like,

did you know about this thing? And then I'm like, we don't have to all be the smart person it's okay to not know things I think it's in terms of like internet content I feel a little bit like anything that can get views

will get made sure yeah so when because you do a lot of it's a trick that works when you yeah when you do a lot of your TikToks

you usually have someone asking a question and then you answer it. Yeah. Is that because you want to know so you like got that question and then researched it yourself? Oftentimes. Yeah. It really depends on the topic.

Like if it's about physics or chemistry, I usually can – you don't need a source to talk about like how gases work. Like I know what the gas law is. Oh, wow. Okay. Cool. It the gas law is. Oh, wow. Okay. Cool. It's not that complicated. It's just... Yeah, for sure, man.

Sounds like a road I don't want to go down. It's easy. It's algebra. You can do it, I promise. Yeah. You're like my brother. My brother was just so smart. He took organic chemistry as an elective for fun in college.

It just comes to him, but I can't. Well, we'll talk about the gas law afterward, and we'll work it out. It'll be fine. It'll be great. It's super interesting. You're a great dad, my God. Is there a field of science you don't know? Yeah.

I mean, there's lots of stuff. What I've gotten good at is getting information and being able to understand a pretty broad body of science and then being able to get that into an understandable form that is short and captivating. I feel like that's the clearest sign. That's just like my job. I think that's the clearest sign of intelligence, though. Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. I agree, suddenly.

You're very intelligent. No. I really think to be able to make something super intelligent stupid is very hard. Well, I think it's something, if you work at it enough, you get better at it. You get better at the formula of it. Yeah.

Fascinating. Okay. I have too many questions now. But, I'm really interested in this one question Okay. I have like too many questions now. I'm really interested in this one question that you brought up today before we started. Yes. You're talking about the imagery. Yes.

Okay. There was a thing going around on the internet where people were talking about like, how do you think? Right? What kind of imagery comes up in your head? When you think of an apple, is it a gray and white apple? Is there nothing there? Full color. Full color. And I was talking to Amanda about gray and white apple? Is there nothing there? Full color. Full color.

And I was talking to Amanda about it, and I was like, yeah, I see not just the imagery, but a video, like scenes with an apple, and it's moving around and stuff. But I saw on the internet, you mentioned people think in imagery? Or was it? It was John.

It was John. It was John. Damn it. Shane. But you brought this up though. You were like, maybe authors. This is Hank. Okay. Hank has was John. Damn it. Shane. But you brought this up, though. You were like, maybe authors. This is Hank. Okay.

Hank has a brother. I know. They're identical, right? Are you guys twins? They're not even twins. I just learned that before we- They're identical twins separated at birth. I just learned that, too.

I thought they were twins, and then I found out- You what? This entire time. Okay, Hank Green, side note, Hank Green has a brother. He's also a novelist. He wrote Fault in Their Stars. You guys are not twins. I actually had a YouTuber, I won't tell you who it was, but a well-known YouTuber who

yesterday was like, that's the same John Green as the guy who wrote the book? Okay, no, that's, I don't feel as stupid as them. Okay. Well. All right, so you think imagery. You're like us. I picture an apple, and it looks like an apple. It's in color.

I mean, it doesn't look like a specific apple I've ever seen before, but it looks like all those apples averaged together. But you can think in color and imagery and stuff. Yeah, and my brother can't. He's got nothing. Nothing. So he sees nothing. He just knows about apples, I guess.

Do you think when he's reading? You know when you're reading a book and you have the whole scene in your head? That's why when they turn books into movies, you're like, why'd they cast that guy? Because in your head, you've already cast him. Not everyone's doing that. Why?

Or how? I don't know. Isn't it wild? We're all ourselves. I can't handle that. What? And I hate myself. So you, first of all, you don't have a twin.

No. I sincerely. I have one single brother. So your brother was born a second before you? He was born three years before me. Three years. Basically a second. Those are basically twins.

Look, yeah. I mean, it's been a long universe. So if you consider it that way. In geologic time, actually. It's been the same moment. Okay. Okay, so some people, so you think in imagery like us. Okay, so we have nothing to talk about.

But do you have, do you guys have. This conversation's over. Do you have inner monologues? I don't. We were saying I don't have like words going. I do. I don't. I don't either.

Yeah. And that kind of makes sense because we're basically the same. You can work. If you can work, if you don't think about the physical space that you're in, where you're working, that makes sense because when I am working, my brain is going like,

Oh, that coffee cups right there. And that pens there. And I have no room to put my arms and I can't think with all this stuff. And you're that voice is going on in your head. Yes. It's very hard for me to sit down and read for a long period of time. And it sounds like you.

It's your voice. Or is it like, hey, look at all this stuff going on. She sounds a little judgmental. Oh, no, she's a huge bitch. She's like, honestly, listen up, bitch. Little client slut. No, I'm just kidding. She sounds like me, but again, a little cunty.

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What are you thinking? Because I will start to think in words when I'm about to say them or when I'm about to write them down. But other than that, I just think in like clumps. Clumps of science? Ideas. Oh yeah, like. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Like something, like the, like, fibrous foods is like a clump. Like, foods that have fiber in them. So you think of them

as like topics, almost like Venn diagrams vibes. Yeah. There's like squishy clouds. Oh, okay. Way better than Venn diagram. Yeah.

Venn diagram's too rigid. Oh, squishy clouds. And you can put your face in them. Did you have clouds like when you were a little baby? And I touched the clouds. You're like, oh, fiber, brown rice.

Yum, yum, yum. Burrito. Yum, yum, yum. Yum, yum, yum, yum. One time you're thinking the clouds have all gathered and you're like, hey, Hank, we need to talk to you.

Yes, you're very touchy. Yeah. We need some space. That guy's got to stop touching us. Yes, you're very touchy. Yeah. We need some space. That guy's gotta stop touching us. Yeah. He's gotta stop touching us. They're smoking cigs in between you're thinking.

This is a real toucher. We've got a real toucher. How do we get out of this man's head? I don't know, man. Yeah. He owns us. I think in scenes,

I like literally, like when I'm about to go do something, and it's always mundane things that I overthink, like, oh, I'm about to go to the like, and it's always mundane things that I overthink, like I'm about to go to the bank and deposit some checks. I imagine myself going up to the teller and I see the scene, but I imagine all the wrong things happening.

And so I don't have, I don't have voices in my head, but I do imagine other people saying shit to me. And I'm always imagining the worst. There's a word for that. Isn't there? Anxiety. Yes.

Yeah. There's also, there's also another thing. It's like preemptive anxiety or like you're worried about what could happen. Anticipatory anxiety. Yes, I absolutely have that. I had it for this episode. That's so funny. I don't have that at all.

I give myself in trouble. I don't have that at all. I get myself in trouble. I'm chatting. I love that. People are like, that's not how we act. And I'm like, well, I'm from Montana. There's only moose where I'm from, so I don't have to worry about it. Oh, you're from Montana. I live in Montana, 20 years now.

Oh, so you live there right now. Well, currently I live in a hotel. How did you get here? In front of your clouds? Yeah, I have lived in Montana since 2003. That's pretty cool. Whoa, when Smosh was created.

You moved to Montana when Smosh got created. You had to get out of here. Well, I lived in Florida before that. Oh, wow. Yeah, definitely better I lived in Florida before that. Oh. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah, definitely better. Yeah. Were you born on the East Coast?

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So you live in Montana. How is living in Montana for your, like, I don't know, creative... It's very good. It's very good. It's very good. Because nature. You like nature? I love nature. No, I am a monster and a chameleon. And when I'm in Los Angeles

I'm surrounded by all these very very hungry, little ambitious gremlins. Wanties. Wanties. Wanties. Wanties. Wanties. Want.

Wanties. They want things. Wanties. They want. They want. They're very wanty. So if you want something we call you a wanty. The kids today would say thirsty.

Oh. Oh. Oh they're very thirsty. Very thirsty. Wanty. Okay. They're not needy. They're wanty.

Wanty. Okay. They're like. And I and then I get here and I'm like I'm also wanty. I want. Okay. They're like. And then I get here and I'm like, I'm also wanty. I want. I want that burrito. I want what that person's doing.

I want to be them. And I. That's also cool. I will also want that. I will also take that. Yeah. The stars. LA.

Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. See the billboards. I could have my face on a billboard. Oh, I understand. It feeds your little devil inside. Yeah, so I need to be in a place where all my friends are like school teachers and farmers. Yes.

Because then you're like, I am. Yeah. Not I want, I am. I just am. And I have no ambitions and am never unsatisfied with my life. No, I still am. And I have no ambitions and am never unsatisfied with my life. No, I still want. But I definitely, whenever I go to a big city, I'm like, whoa, there's so much. We could be so much bigger and do so much more.

And it's bad. I don't want it. I understand. I don't want to want it. It's too much. It's too much like a little villain in your head of like, we could take over the world. I kind of get it. But I would say that some people maybe think the opposite of living.

Because I'm from Massachusetts. So when I lived in a small town, I felt like I can't. I need. But the internet now. Yeah. You're kind of connected. You can't escape, I feel like. I desire.

And also it's really nice. So most of the friends of my friend group I have had since before YouTube uh huh and like I was married before YouTube

and so it's just like nice to have people who aren't that who know you who aren't like in the world and I love my YouTube and you know internet person friends

and I love hanging out with them but it is nice to have uh folks who definitely don't want anything from me other than just yes I love hanging out with them, but it is nice to have folks who definitely don't want anything from me. Other than just, yes. I love people who do not want to be famous.

Yeah. I love them. Which is most people once you reach a certain age. Again, a lot of kids want to be famous, and then a lot of adults are like, oh, yeah, actually, that sounds terrible. Yeah, they're like, no, I don't want to be followed around and have no private life ever. Yeah, there's lots of degrees of famous, but. That's true. I just don't, like,

I really don't want to have to, like, leave my house, you know? Uh-huh. I relate. Yeah. That sounds great. Yeah. Sounds awesome.

And I feel like in Montana, you have extra motivation because there's bears outside. No, I mean, I don't want to, like, get so famous that people, like, I need to, like, leave the community or something.

Oh, yeah. I do love to leave my house and walk down to the... Corner store? Coffee shop. Coffee shop? Yes. And kind of make it...

Also the corner store. Hello, Hank. I like that. I feel like I think that people who have grounded community around them and are in this fame world have more longevity with their career. Because you have to humble yourself in some way. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and I think it's just good to have,

to like see other people trying to do other things and feeling satisfied with that. I couldn't agree with you more. Just be like, oh wow, your teacher, this is your everyday. There's lots of ways to add value to the world and to feel really good. And if you're only around people who are doing it one kind of way, then it can feel like if you aren't getting what they're getting, which you never are. Like everybody's always getting different things.

And there's always somebody who's doing it more, making more, whatever. That, you know, it is being around lots of people who are doing lots of different things and adding lots of value to the world. It also adds value to your creativity. Yeah. I love hearing other people's stories on what are their habits? What are their rituals? What do they do every day in the morning to like how do they start up a project? Like for you, like if you're doing a big project, like writing a book, like how do you start up a project. Like for you, if you're doing a big project like writing a book,

how do you start up this project? What kind of gears you up? Oh. Do you know what I mean? Because I feel like teachers it's different

but we all kind of have our little human rituals. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

So wait. So you didn't answer my question. Was that actually like i'm not sure okay um no i don't want to know i'm not sure so like when what is like the what is like the first thought in your mind where you're like oh i gotta do this thing i like creatively yeah yeah i i mean usually i'm consuming some other creative work. Oftentimes.

So like with longer form things that I create, like books or comedy, I usually am consuming my own content again. So I'm revising. And then I move from revising into creating, which a lot of people don't suggest doing because they're like, you'll just revise forever. But I don't have that problem because I'm not a perfectionist at all. And so I'm just like, I read through what I have written maybe the day before, and then I sort of like tweak it. And then I'm like, and then it just keeps going. And I'm creating. And then it's also very similar when I'm reading, like consuming other people's content. So I'll be reading a book, or I'll be looking at tweets, or I'll be watching YouTube videos. And I'll be like, well or I'll be looking at tweets or I'll be watching YouTube videos and I'll be like well if they had gone this way with that it would have been a new piece of content that maybe I could make.

Little fluffy pillows. Clouds. Saying you're not a perfectionist I've never been more jealous of someone in my entire life. It's great. I saw somebody recently say that like perfectionists are just really good at seeing flaws and I was like oh yeah I are just really good at seeing flaws. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm just really bad at seeing flaws. Which is great. Which is why I think that you are so good at so many things. Because you're like, I'm going to do that.

I'm going to do that. Seems possible. Do you know what I mean? I feel like perfectionists, they sit in the place of like, they've already thought out all the scenarios that could go wrong or go right. And then they're like, it's almost like they did it and failed already.

Right. Or they just are trying to perfect it in their head. And I, like I learned this lesson very early that like, I,

like it was, it worked when I followed this rule, which is, if it's in my head, it doesn't exist. Like, you gotta convince yourself of that.

If it's in your head, it doesn't exist. Like, if you haven't done that. If it's in your head it doesn't exist. Like if you haven't done it you're not you have there's nothing there. So if you're like imagining an idea and you're thinking okay well I can't do it yet

unless I have this tool so I have to get this tool and but then once you have that tool you're like it's well but it would be better if I also was able to have this person working on it with me or this extra time

that I don't have right now, just do it. And if it sucks and it fails, like that's a million times more valuable than a thing that's sitting around in your head taking up space. Because then it's out. It's not in there anymore. You got to get it out. Those are the best words of wisdom ever. If you fail, it's like not taking up space in your head anymore.

And that's a success on its own. Damn. Can you write that down? Yeah, there's a Ze Frank video about this. It's from 2006. Really? It changed my life. Wait, who's the video of?

Ze Frank. Do you know who Ze Frank is? No, I don't. He ran BuzzFeed Video for a while. But before that, he was like the first video blogger. Wow. Because I love that. Because it's like

it just and then and then the other projects take up space in your head and then it all piles and then you're full and you're like what did I even do

what happened he makes the true facts about animals videos wait that sounds very familiar they're like very they're very successful

and viral true facts about animals like has like has a makes makes jokes about weird animals. It's great.

You have no idea how much that quote, like, fits into this show because we talk almost every week about things we want to accomplish and do

and we're always trying new things. Yeah, we come on the show and, like, experiment and have fun and play and just do it

rather than thinking about it. Right. And it's so fun. Like, the thing about doing it is it's so fun. And going from zero to one is the best, you know? Like, that first step. Taking the step.

Doing it. Yeah. And then the worst possible outcome is that it succeeds, and then you have this thing to take care of. Wait, I love that. Are you then very upset that everything you do, I feel like you've had so many successes. It looks like everything upset at everything you do? I feel like you had so many successes. It looked like everything,

but it's not. I just do a lot. I kind of... So out of the things that you have done, what's the thing that you are like, oh, this was like my baby.

This was like something that I had like some maybe concerns about or like you're like, this is the one. Or at the very least, what's a success that you were shocked that it succeeded?'re like, this is the one. Or at the very least, what's a success that you were shocked

that it succeeded? Oh, VidCon was the thing that was like, most weird that it succeeded, especially in the way that it did. Oh yeah,

you created VidCon. Yeah, it's on the list. When we told, it's on the list. Yeah, it's on the list. Yeah,

sure. Yeah, and also, the one that like, was most, like, awful that it succeeded in a way where it was like it went from being like I'm going to throw a party for my friends to being like, oh. And like that first year we had like put – we had like $100,000 on the line and we had to like sign all these contracts and would have gone bankrupt if it hadn't worked. And like it was really scary.

But it was like we made like 10 grand and it, and everybody had a really good time and it was all friends and it was really small. It was like, you know, it was super, it was so good. And then the second year we did it, it was like, we're just going to make money this year. We don't like, we have an LLC. We're not like, we have like, things are like working. We have people who know what they're doing, helping us. And that was really great. And, but like, as it got it got bigger it was like this is so successful now that like i'm a public facing

ceo making like a lot of decisions that affect people in my business world and like they don't always like the decisions that i'm making and i it's very hard for me to justify them because like it's a human making might i might be making the wrong call. I don't know. It's really hard. That's crazy. It got quite influential and it mattered a lot to people whether they got invited or which stage they were on, etc.

It's a huge thing. Oh my god, that's a lot. Amanda, I remember you went to your first one a couple years ago. Yeah, I did. I was like, stimulation. Wanty? I was like, stimulation. Wanty? I was like, wanty. Oh, did it make you wanty? I was wanty.

I was like, you guys seen the TikTok room? I was like, it has a theme. Guys, they're giving out denim jackets. Yeah, yeah. There was like a clothing label. I still have the jacket. They're like, it's free. I was like, what? I know have the jacket they're like it's free i was like

what i know this is a mango colored jacket it was insane and then i left being like yeah i have just too much stuff in my bag like i was like who have i become so i hear you about montana and. That's like VidCon for me. If that was all the time, if I could have all these brand deals being like, we want you, I think I would combust. Yeah, you'd be a monster. I would be a monster. You'd be a nightmare. Who would look fantastic.

I'd be the cunty voice in my head. Finally, I will stop talking now. Yeah, that'll really. One thing I know is that success always solves the mental problems. Always shuts it down. Like, finally. I will stop talking now. Yeah, that'll really. One thing I know is that success always solves the mental problems. Always shuts it down. Yeah, right.

Then another one pops up and it's like, hello? Yeah, you really fill up the hole eventually, I promise. It does get better. You just gotta get more followers.

Yeah. That's the only thing. Yeah, right. You just gotta reach another 100,000. That's all that's gonna happen. Oh my God. I remember when I joined Smosh,

it was like in the first month, because I joined in the summer of 2015, and then it was like the first month they were going to VidCon. So I went so quickly, and luckily nobody knew who I was. So I got to go and just observe it at first, which gave me a good preparation.

That's so cool. And then it was a very gradual... Nobody knew who I was that first time either really i don't think so unless i walked with you guys yeah i mean it's crazy now yeah that's that's what's does it started off and we could walk the floor we could go everywhere and it was so much fun that's not like a big thing like you're just much bigger than you used to be i mean it's just a smosh as a whole. Yeah. You know, the pit channel and stuff. And so nowadays we go and we can't like,

yeah, can't do a lot of stuff we used to be able to do. It's, it's, it's interesting. It's crazy. But it's a wild experience. It's huge.

I did have a question for you. Sorry to go back on the science thing, but so, you know, like the brown rice thing feels kind of bleak, you know, all these food things. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Anyway, back the brown rice thing feels kind of bleak, you know, all these food things. I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. Anyway, back to brown rice. But as you're like research journey into science and putting it on TikTok, what is like a science, what is like a science discovery that you found that makes you kind of optimistic? Oh my God, so much. There's a lot of negative stuff out there, like climate change. Everything is just like, uh-oh. Most things are bad.

What's in your food? Yeah. Apple says don't charge your phone next to your head anymore. What? We were just reading this beforehand. Oh, did I just blow up the internet? Ian pulled it up, and it was because it's flammable. It could cause fires.

It could cause fires. Oh, wow. That's also bad. Also, I'd love a TikTok about that, if you could. About the fact that we just told you, if you could repeat it to people, that'd be great. I'll look into it. Yeah, look into it.

I feel like there's a lot of, yeah, bleak things about the world. And is there any optimistic scientific findings that you've found? I mean, so many different things. Like, good news is incremental and slow, and so it doesn't feel like news. And so, like, that's the, it's not that there,

it's not that, like, it's hard to sort of be like, this is a, but, like, there are. Like, there is a, you know, antibiotic resistance is a big problem. It's a hard problem to solve, because there's, like like weird economics around it. And we haven't created many new antibiotics in the last 20 or 30 years. Right.

And there is just that there's a new set of research where they basically were able to look at how some antibiotics might work, and then they just sort of used AI to plug in millions of different potential small molecule compounds to see if they would have an effect on the bacteria that are the problems. And they found, like, you know, maybe a dozen candidate molecules, and then they just, like, bought those molecules from a place that synthesizes molecules and they tested them out and like they work. Holy shit. So in that sense, AI is great. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's a very different from like generative AI. Yeah. Creatively AI.

Yeah. This is like machine learning. This is the stuff AI could actually. Yeah. Well, I mean, an AI taking jobs is like that's scary, but like lots of things take jobs and like we just have to make sure that we try and do it right and share the wealth that is created in some way that is fair. And also not use stuff that was you. I mean, we have to decide how we consider training AI. Do we say for training an AI is that that's just like a person reading a book or is that a is that using a thing? I think that it's more like using a piece of art to create more art.

And so the person should at least be asked if their art should be used to train the AI. Yeah. And that goes for words as well. Right. But yeah. So that's like a sort of a machine learning thing rather than generative AI. That's cool. But like that's very cool. There's a lot of like one – this isn't like one thing. But if you look at the price of solar panels over the last 20 years or 50 years, like a solar panel used to cost like $50 million and they'd use them in satellites and that's it. Now the cost of renewable energy is wildly inexpensive and there's no sign that it's going to stop getting cheaper.

That's so great. Oh, yeah. And also batteries are getting really cheap really fast and wind turbines are getting really cheap really fast. And the thing is that coal and natural gas can't get cheaper really. They're mature and also you have to get the fuels out of the ground where you don't have to get fuel for solar panels. You don't have to like get the fuel to the solar panel. The sun does that for us.

So like there's obviously lots of problems to solve still. But I went from being like pretty sure that we weren't going to be able to solve the problem of climate change over the last 10 years to being like, it's going to be worse. Like life's going to get worse in a lot of ways. But like the main thing we need to do is to get people who are on the edge away from the edge so that when the shock arrives, they don't fall off the edge. So yeah. Like in California.

Not physically on the edge. No, listen to Like in California. Not physically on the edge. No, listen to me. We need to go to Santa Monica. And we need to get them. We need to tell all the people who have mansions in Malibu, get your house. Amanda's going to be on the Venice boardwalk tomorrow being like, get out of here.

There's a guy rollerblading. Sir, you need to get back to your car. I mean, the Venice edge is very edgy. No. It's wild over there. I'm like, okay. Rollerblading with electric guitar. Montana to Venice, yeah.

No, but I was in San Diego and someone's infinity pool just in the ocean. Look, you had to pay a fine. Well, now it's really an infinity pool. You had to pay a fine. Yeah, you had to pay a fine because now it's the whole ocean.

Now it's the whole ocean. It just goes around and around the whole earth over and over again. That joke killed. Thanks, guys. I'm gonna go do stand up now. Got it, that's my one joke. Hank has that. Yeah, I'm gonna take that one

and put it in my cancer stand up somehow. Anyways, here's a quick infinity pool joke. And back to Casey. I have to add this in for a buddy, Shay. This one's for you. Okay, so cool. one's for you. Okay, so cool. It's just with any natural disaster or man-made disaster,

the people who get hurt the most are the people who have the least. And this is why you see like an 8.0 earthquake in Japan and an 8.0 earthquake in Haiti have very different consequences, right? Very. Huge. So like the biggest work that I think should be being done is trying to get people further away from poverty. And that's going to help so much with climate change, not just in helping them

and helping the human consequence of climate change, but also people, when they come out of poverty, they have fewer kids. They do consume more resources because they should be able to consume more resources. But they also, like, we get much better at using land. So, like, land use gets more efficient. They are able, like, people are able to have more resources to, you know, use tools so that they don't have to, like, use a piece of land for five years and then they can't replenish the soil with fertilizers.

And so they have to cut down more forest. There's all these, like, reasons why poverty is actually, like, one of the biggest both causes of climate change and things to worry about when climate change is going to start affecting humanity in, like, a really serious way. That, like, that's the thing that – and that's not really a technological thing, except in as much as, like, culture is technological and we make the decisions. You know, we it in some way and like it a lot of this is implicit and like we are of course products of our culture but we decide where the the resources get distributed and they are not like they're very unequally distributed do you think that's anywhere close to changing at all yeah i mean kind of it like it it doesn't

tend to be like there's a component of it that is decisions that get made by humans who decide to do philanthropy. Right. And we don't talk about it, but the U.S. government does a lot of bad stuff but also does a lot of development work and does a lot of human aid, especially during disaster circumstances. And also lots of other governments do that work too. But the, you know, there's also just kind of a, it seems like there is an economic curve that places have to go through, you know? And they have to start consuming more,

and they have to like, their economies build, and then after they reach a certain point, and this is the wild thing that nobody really predicted, as an economy reaches a certain point, it starts to consume less per person. Like not just per like unit of economic output, but per person, like all of Europe. And like when do you think like the US is going to reach peak per capita carbon emissions?

Never. Because it was 10 years ago. Right. I think I did know that.. I think I did know that. I sincerely think I did know that. Shane wins this round. I don't know what a lot of this stuff means, but I think I did know that.

I have to let you know I think I did know that. I didn't know that. I mean, I've been very stressed about climate change, obviously, but I get really worried that the poverty situation is just I just get worried that that's not. And the Internet's very, very hard. It's very hard to solve. And like it's you know, but but if you look over and like the last four years have been very weird with COVID and weird. Yeah. Like global restructuring as we responded to covid. But the you know, if you look over a fairly long period of time during any course, any period of the human history, poverty has improved. And certainly and that's not to say that like, oh, we did it.

You know, it's like like a trajectory is not a destination, but the trajectory is there. Well, I like what you said. It's like good news is always going to come out a little bit slower. So it doesn't actually feel like news. It doesn't even come out. Yeah, because it doesn't feel like news. Because there wasn't one thing

that made solar panels cheaper. It's like every step of the way, little improvements here and there. Here and there. And now people are like, yeah, solar panels. Yeah, it's just always a part of our lives. Yep. That's exactly how it works. And now people are like, yeah, solar panels. Yeah, it's just always a part of our lives. Yep. That's exactly how it works.

Whereas bad news happens like, boom, everyone get down. And you're like, what? Yeah, yeah. You can see it in like the charts of like, in like economic growth charts. They're like,

they like very slowly increase and then they drop and then they very slowly increase and then they drop. Yeah, so like shocks are shocks and growth is slow. Do you know anything about any progress on,

something that I get concerned about, I'll get reminded of it every now and then, is the Pacific trash thing that there's just a bunch of trash and it's like the size of Texas or something out there. I care about that. Yeah.

I get bummed about it. I don't know why I'm asking you to do. Can you solve that for me real quick? I don't know why I'm like an assistant being like, hey, about that. Yeah. I get bummed about it. Can you do a TikTok on that? I don't know why I'm asking you to do. Can you solve that for me real quick? I don't know why I'm like an assistant being like, hey, get that. What I can say, Shane, is I can say that you don't have to be worried about everything because there are other people who are worried about things too. And I think that we get asked by our feeds sometimes to become – for that for our job to be to be worried about every problem but it's much much better for you and the problems to be worried about us like to pick something yeah and to learn a lot about that and then and and to be like to be able to be somebody

who can say because i can't say about the the garbage patch because i don't, to be able to say, like, here's what people are working on. Here's what people are thinking about. Here's what people are trying. Here's what the big concern is. Like, is it, it's obviously bad for there to be plastic, but, like, why? And how are they trying to solve those individual problems? Right. I love that.

Whether it's an input, whether it's cleanup, whether it's, like, is there a period of time where if you, like, let that time pass, it kind of clears itself up? Like, there is there a period of time where if you like let that time pass, it kind of clears itself up. Like there is an eventual period of time. I don't know if it's 10 million years or 10,000, 1,000, but like, yeah. Yeah. We're being served all those negative things every day to make us seem like we are superheroes, that we can solve it all. And it's like, you can't do anything. All you can do is feel like the world is ending in his trash.

Exactly. And people are like, oh, I'm on Instagram to look at funny videos. And it's like, they're like, oh, I need a break. And it's like, I understand why. Because we're getting served all of these things that are like, you need to look at it. And then we automatically think in our brain, like, you just unlocked something that I was like, oh, yeah. There is someone who is also very worried about this who is probably going to like maybe – There are people working really hard on these problems.

Like I listen to this podcast. It's called Volts. That's just a climate change podcast. And it's like a really wonky, boring climate change podcast. And like you listen to it and you're like, oh, so like the problem is power lines. What? What? Power lines? so like there's like authorities

in states and the country that decide when and how you can build power lines and the way that power

is going to be produced in the future is going to be much more distributed rather than centralized locations of power plants so you have to figure out how to get the power

from the solar power plant to the grid and so you have to have the approval to build the power lines. But they were built for a previous world. So no one works at these agencies. And they have like huge backlogs of like four years. And no one can build a solar power plant because there's like the people who build the power lines are too busy.

And so there's a bunch of people working on solving the problem of the busy people at the power plant or the power line authorities and you're like oh so like this is complicated and people are working really hard on it right now yeah that's somewhat relaxing i'm gonna go it's also frustrating that the problem is power lines yeah yeah exactly i was like all right i guess my thing i'll worry about is power line yeah that's the one i'm actually would be much better for the world because like no one's thinking about power lines right now. They're all thinking about the bigger things that are not the power lines. Yeah, and that are easier to make an Instagram about.

That's not even the clicks. I started TikTok with that. Guys, I'm going to talk to you about power lines. Moving on. We need to talk about the grid. That's why I love your TikTok because that boring thing about power lines that you said, Bolt, you said?

Bolts. It's like you watch it and you're like, I can't. And then your brain goes, I'll never understand this. Yeah. Right? Whereas I watch your TikTok about these little science things and I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I can't understand that.

I met a guy now who does volts and he's he's always like wow that tiktok you made that's a summary of the two hour long podcast i did sure did get a lot of views yeah i worked really hard on that man uh thank you for doing that um and i'm like that's why i support you yeah and that's why I like and subscribe and support you. I feel like you've answered this for us, because I was going to say, I feel like on your TikTok and several times on TikTok, I get served stuff that's like,

this breakthrough in science that's either about to happen or just happened is crazy. And I think you had one where you're like, something big is about to happen in science. And I'm always like, what is it? And then either I don't, I need to follow up and be like, where is it? What's the thing? Or it's explained

and I'm like, I don't understand. I'm sure that's a big deal, I guess. Yeah, I get it. And so at this point, maybe you've mentioned the break. Yeah. Yeah, I think I know what you're talking about. It's probably the gravitational wave background news. You got it right. the break. Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. It's probably the gravitational wave background

news. You got it, right? There's a microwave background in all of the universe, right? There is, but that's not what I'm talking about. I knew that, though. See, I knew that, though. Should I get a microwave? It's different. You're being microwaved all the time, but like a little.

Oh, no. Am I metal? You're a burrito. But a whole one? Okay, so it's just the microwave. It's just the microwave. Yeah, I mean basically the news was, so for the whole of history, since like Galilee, we had one way of looking at the universe

outside of Earth, which is optical telescopes. We look at light. And we look at visible light at first, but then we could also look at if visible light goes out both ways into infrared and x-rays and gamma rays, all these. That's all just light. It's just different wavelengths. And that lets you see a ton of stuff. And looking at different wavelengths lets you see different stuff. And that's amazing. And so we've been mostly focused on finding ways to look at more wavelengths in more directions. But this news was that we can look at a whole new thing that could let us see pieces of the galaxy that we cannot see or that happened a long time ago.

And that's to look at the stretching of space. Okay. Whoa. Space will contract and expand when like massive objects do certain things. But also there was a big stretching of space that occurred when the universe was created. And by looking at light, you can't see the beginning of the universe

because there was like no like stuff there. So there's like a horizon you cannot see past. But if we can start to filter out and look at all these stretches and squeezes of space, we could – right now what they're doing is like a bunch of stuff happens and it all overlaps and it creates like one weird curve. But if you can start to pull out the things that are making the different curves, then you can start to maybe look at stuff that we could never see before. And the way that we did this is absolutely wild, where we have a device on Earth that's just like a two kilometer long laser. And you can see the stretching and contracting of the laser. The way they did this is so they could get more resolution, they needed a bigger, longer laser.

So instead of using lasers, they used pulsars, which are in our galaxy and have a very specific flash. They flash it at the same speed. But when they stretch a little bit, that flashing slows down or speeds up because it's moving away from us or toward us, like a Doppler effect kind of thing. And so instead of having this two kilometer long laser,

we have now a galaxy wide detector of pulsars that we can use to detect the stretching and squeezing of space. What? I fully understand what you just said. So it was like a telescope the size of the galaxy. You're like your seven year old kid, like, dad, what? But honestly, that is amazing.

Yeah, and so like, we've only started to look at the, to be able to time these pulsars for the last 20 years or so. So as we get more data, it's literally you just have to wait for more pulsar data to come in before we can. Will that be in our lifetime? Yeah, it'll be in your lifetime.

But I got cancer recently. Don't say that. That is so messed. Don't say that. That is so messed up. Don't say that. That's another stand-up bit. Add that to your stand-up bit. You said that to me. I'm like, I'm much younger than you. In your lifetime.

But I have cancer. Thanks, guys. That's my time. See you later, guys. I just gave you your button. I got a bunch of things that might happen to me now. Wow. I feel like Hank Green just might happen to me now. Wow. I feel like Hank Green just gave us our smart mouth. Yeah, we do a segment sometimes,

and it's funny when it's Amanda and I, a segment called Smart Mouth where we try to say facts that the other person doesn't know. But it'll be stuff like, what's the largest animal that's ever existed on Earth? You probably know that. Well, it depends on what you mean. Like largest... As a vertebrate? Yeah, like animal.

Like not... As a vertebrate? Yeah, let's go with vertebrate. Largest animal. As a vertebrate or... Do you mean the blue whale? Yes! What did you say? The blue whale. I knew that. But I feel like you've said so many things that we don't

know that we were gonna throw it on you and be like, hey, can said so many things that we don't know that we were going to throw it on you and be like, hey, can you say a fact that we don't know? But you could probably say anything. Yeah, there's this thing called the lacrimal sac. It's where your eyelashes are. Oh, my gosh. So I heard this guy saying that I have to get surgery. And I have to get those eyelashes out.

I have to get my eyes removed when I'm 50. No more brown rice and surgery. Got it. Holy shit. You've said so many profound things. I have a good fact. Okay, throw it at us. This is a cancer fact.

Men are more likely to die of breast cancer than testicular cancer. Okay, I did not know that. What? Isn't that wild? For two reasons. First, because testicular cancer is very, very treatable and curable. So it's usually caught early. You can usually be cured just with surgery

and then you're done. Sometimes you also have to get chemo, but the chemo is very effective for testicular cancer. The second reason is that testicular cancer is a young person's disease and young people can handle treatment much better and a man who gets breast cancer is more likely to be in his 80s.

Wow. And does it spread quicker? I mean, it's mostly that when you're in your 80s, it's a lot harder to control a cancer because it has a lot to do with sort of how the rest of your body is holding itself together well. Wow. I never knew that.

Okay, that was a really good smart mouth. So we've learned even more. Wow. Hank Green, you are so fascinating, and I'm going to get both of your books before Shane. No. And finish them before Shane. Okay, okay.

Let's make this a contest. I'm going to read his books before you. Hell yeah. What are you going to do at home? Fine. Guys, follow Hank Green. When's your next stand-up show? Oh, I'll be done by the time this comes out. Okay. guys follow Hank Green when's your next stand up show oh

I'll be done by the time this comes out okay well dream about Hank Green during stand up it will come out filmed

and be on a place but I can't say where yet okay we'll keep an eye out for it well thank you so so much for joining us that was amazing

thanks thank you so much this was fantastic yeah alright well alright well thank you for watching joining us. That was amazing. Thanks. Thank you so much, Hank. This was fantastic. Alright, well. Thank you for watching. Guys, follow Hank Green on TikTok because your mind will be blown. But you also other places, though, because I don't know

what's going to happen there. I think you look great. Find the alt one. Oh, my. Thank you. I'm sorry. No, thank you. I don't want you to go home and be like, God, I really got to clean this neck. No. No, he does help you. I don't no thank you I don't want you to go home and be like god I really gotta clean this

no no he does I don't know if you've seen our funerals we've already said everything to each other

he's fine he looks pretty good what's going on expected more calluses cause you lift right okay thank you for the roast

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