Smosh Mouth - #54 - bbno$ Teaches Shayne Music

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Submissive and Breedable ICON bbno$ joins Amanda and Shayne to chat about music! 0:00-3:15 Intro 3:16-15:02 Gaming and musicianship 15:03-26:37 The boundaries that come with creativity 26:38-1:09:51 Reviewing bbno$’s discography SUBSCRIBE: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshCast WEAR OUR JOKES: https://smosh.com  WHO YOU HEAR Shayne Topp // https://www.instagram.com/shaynetopp/ Amanda Lehan-Canto // https://www.instagram.com/filmingamanda/ bbno$ // https://www.instagram.com/bbnomula/ WHO YOU DON’T HEAR (usually) Director: Selina Garcia Editor: Josh Fleury Producer: Amanda Lehan-Canto, Shayne Topp, Selina Garcia Production Designer: Cassie Vance Art Director: Erin Kuschner Art Coordinator: Alex Aguilar, Josie Bellerby Audio Mixer: Scott Neff Audio Utility: Dina Ramli Director of Photography: Brennan Iketani Videographer: James Hull Assistant Director: Alexcina Figueroa Director of Production: Amanda Barnes Production Manager: Alexcina Figueroa Production Coordinator: Marcus Munguia, Zianne Hoover Operations & Production Coordinator: Oliver Wehlander Production Assistant: Ovsana Tsaturian Post Production Manager: Luke Baker DIT/Lead AE: Matt Duran IT: Tim Baker Director of Design: Brittany Hobbs Graphic Designers: Ness Cardano, Monica Ravitch Senior Manager, Channel & Strategy: Lizzy Jones Channel Operations Coordinator: Audrey Carganilla Director of Social Media: Erica Noboa Social Creative Producer: Peter Ditzler, Tommy Bowe Social Strategist: Mallory Myers Social Media Coordinator: Kim Wilborn Talent Coordinator: Selina Garcia Operations PA: Katie Fink CEO: Alessandra Catanese EVP of Programming: Kiana Parker Executive Coordinator: Rachel Collis OTHER SMOSHES: Smosh: https://smo.sh/Sub2Smosh Smosh Pit: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshPit Smosh Games: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshGames El Smosh (Spanish Dub): https://smo.sh/Sub2ElSmosh FOLLOW US: TikTok: https://smo.sh/TikTok Snapchat: http://smo.sh/OnSnapchat Instagram: https://instagram.com/smosh Facebook: https://facebook.com/smosh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And we have a very, very special guest with us today. Baby No Money. That is he. That is me. And this week, a week later, because now I don't have COVID. That's right. Yeah. That's right.

Thank you so much for coming back. Yeah, thank you. I was so sad. You showed up and you were just like, you got tested and it was just like, Yeah, it's not looking good. Sitting there in your mask like 20 feet away from everyone. Just like, I'm sorry, guys. Yeah, I hadn't had coffee and I was just like, my head was just thumping.

And I was like, oh, man. Oh, no. But hey, you're back. I'm back. You're back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back.

I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back.

I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. We've already been talking a bunch this morning.

Yeah. We were just, you were just talking about how Anthony is a beautiful man. He really is. I remember the first time I met him, we almost like, we just dove straight into like deep conversation about finding oneself. And I was like, holy shit, this guy's like a beautiful man. Yeah. It's like, it's interesting because you never know what a person really is until you meet them.

And you're like, oh, like, that makes sense. Because you watch them when you watch them a bunch. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, I mean, like, my brother basically looked like them growing up because it was like, I got the pan hair down and the American apparel sweater kind of vibe. And it was just like, that was like when I was 12. So yeah, it was just really, really interesting to meet them and do Submissive and Breedable together.

And with you guys too, it was just like fucking hell. I know. I think Anthony and Ian told me the story, but they reached out to you, right? Yes. But you kind of mentioned them online first. I don't really remember where I mentioned them. I think it was just like, I think it was on Hasan's podcast.

I think that's what Ian said, yeah. I don't really remember, but I must have just been like, yes, Mosh, go to it. Nice. It's just, you know, it's like one of those things where there was such a pivotal moment in like the shift of internet culture that how can you forget right

so um i think i was just mentioning them and they saw that clip and then they reached out to me and they followed me at the exact same time i was like all right boys i was like what's going on here and uh i just remember recording and i was just like hey yo hold on they just followed me let me message them and then they replied immediately and i was like okay cool hey, yo, hold on. They just followed me. Let me message them. And then they replied immediately. And I was like, okay, cool. That's awesome. That was it.

And now we have the sexiest song alive. That's true, man. I remember going on set and just talking to you for a while. And they're like, oh, yeah, this is Baby No Money. I was like, nice to meet you, Baby No Money. They're like, he's on the song, Amanda. And I was like, oh, hey, what's up? You in your gigantic heels, eight feet tall. But I was just talking to you.

I was like, hey, what's up? Nice to meet you. But I didn't realize that you were, I didn't realize anything because I hadn't heard the song at all. Really? That's hilarious. I didn't hear it. No, I didn't hear it at all. I got on set, ready to go as the dom,

hadn't heard the song. I was like, oh yeah, this is Baby No Money. And I was like, oh my God. And then we started like tying you up on that fucking turning thing. Good to meet you. Yeah, good to meet you guys. You're such a, you are,

I think you're one of the first musicians that I've gotten to meet and talk to. And you're so like, I don't know, you're so chill and normal. I don't know, I would expect like a musician to be like, I don't want to talk to you, man. I don't want to talk to you.'re so like i don't know you're so chill and normal i don't know i would expect like a musician to be like i don't want to talk to you man i don't talk to you and you just walk away i probably have those moments um no i'm no i'm not really i it's like i would say if i'm eating with my family don't interrupt don't interrupt my dinner time with my family in

public i i was just like yeah if you want to come over for a photo, but if you start striking conversation about what I do with the EQs on my snares and claps, please, bro, anything but that. But I will say it's like, I feel like artistry and musicianship is progressing into a world where it's like, you have to be yourself rather than trying to have this facade because because social media if you want to grow as an artist and if you want to have a larger career in a platform is like you just can't have a facade anymore unless you're like a really good actor which i'm not so i just i'm like okay i'd rather just chill and play world of warcraft and talk talk about poop

poop yeah that was like our first conversation you were talking about World of Warcraft, and I was like, are you fucking serious? I was like, this big musician's just playing World of Warcraft all the time? Yeah. That's awesome. Basically, my life goal is make enough money, have kids, play WoW. Like World of Warcraft. Wow. Ideally, there's going to be a game that's better than it, but it's just like I grew up playing it.

I was homeschooled, so I didn't really have too many friends, so I just kind of met a bunch of people online. That's kind of where I devolved into the online understanding. Dude, that's crazy. I was playing World of Warcraft when I was homeschooled. You were homeschooled too? Did I know this? I was an actor kid.

Oh, my God. You both were homeschooled? This is why I say shit, and an actor kid. Oh my God, you both were homeschooled? This is why I say shit and you're like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. I was like, public school, I guess? Well, and then I tell you about anything online, you're like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah.

I had no... She's famous. Amanda's famous for not knowing about Harambe. Yeah. I don't... At all. Do you know who Harambe is? We find out.

Baby No Money doesn't know about Harambe. Do you know who Harambe is? We find out. Baby No Money doesn't know about Harambe. Do you know who Harambe is? It's okay. Rest in peace. Yeah, exactly. No, it's just I didn't have any time. My mom put me in everything. Oh, yeah.

My online time was very restricted. I wasn't allowed to watch The Simpsons. My online time was disconnected by my mom because I was online too long. She would disconnect the internet, and then she would go like let's say go get groceries i'm like oh yeah that shit back in it was frustrating whenever i had to like go do stuff in real life wow no i i played world of warcraft for about a year because i and i'd wanted to play it for so long finally got the computer that i needed for it and in the span of a year, I put in, I think I checked the time, because you can check. Slash played, yeah.

And it was like months of time in the span of a year. And at 15, I was like, I gotta stop. I was like, I can't do this. But to this day, it's one of my favorite games. But I couldn't. And I was a big deal in my server. Okay. I was a big deal.

All right. The fact that you just told me that. I was the top warrior in the top deal in my server. Okay. I was a big deal. All right. The fact that you just told me that. I was the top warrior in the top guild of my server. The fact that you said that means you weren't. I had tier two armor when that was the peak. Okay. Wow, tier two armor? That was a long time ago.

This was before Burning Crusade. Man, I feel, the thing about WoW is you can actually, like no joke, hold status if you're really good at the game back then. Because everyone min-maxes now, which is, like, basically just elite. It's like elitism. Totally. And it's so annoying. But I feel, all right, well.

No, no, no. Please stop. I'm loving this. This is a thing that Shane and I do, okay? Every time someone talks about a video game, I just go, my eyes go to the back of my head and I look at the stars or whatever the fuck is back there. That's fun.

But I haven't played it in a long time, so you're saying nowadays it's not the same. Well, so no one knew what to do back then. Oh yeah, for sure. So people now might wear green armor if it has a stat that just increases their damage, basically, off the sole basis of a chance on hit kind of thing so now everyone's like oh my god like how how fast and like how how pumper can we get you know rather than back then it was

just like when i was playing i just remember like being so confused what to do totally having to look up guides and it was like, like, such an entry point to learn how to play the game. And it was so unbelievably, like, enveloping. Yeah. I would just sit there and just fall in love with the world and, like, go kill a boar

and be like, oh, I killed the boar. It took so much time to do anything. Anything. Like, when I played this game, like, you start at level one. The maximum level you can get to is level 60, and it takes months

to get there. So I can imagine why this becomes, like, a thing that you guys want to do because they give you an end goal and you're like, well, I want to finish. I want to get to that place.

And you know me. I love working and accomplishing things, right? And when you play a game like world of warcraft you put in time and you're gonna get you're gonna see something back from it yeah and it felt so satisfying when like i eventually like earned enough gold to get like a thing that i could ride right around you know like i got this big weird dinosaur that i could ride around on and i was like hell yeah and it meant so much to me. But then you just get so addicted

and you get hooked on that cycle. I missed out on like a whole. It's okay. A whole world. Well, it's interesting because I feel like a lot of video games are unable to create like a leveling route

where it's like, oh, here's the story and then once you get to the end, the story continues. And World of Warcraft just did it better than any other game ever. It's like oh here's the story and then once you get to the end the story continues and world of warcraft just did it better than any other game like ever is like the end game was almost better than leveling up and then leveling up it put you in such a world and like such a like a like a setting that you could actually learn so much about the game i don't know it rocked i can appreciate

a story to a game like i it's got i remember my friend, she was watching The Last of Us gameplay. Yeah. And I started watching it with her, and it was absolutely stunning. And I was like, oh, if I were a gamer, I would want this long, drawn-out gameplay that has story and lore and beautiful, magnificent things happening. I know that I would be into it. Oh, totally. I was just like like i was so not allowed to watch so much stuff i don't know if it's like portuguese catholic in me but like

my grandmother would watch us a lot and she was just like that's lazy lazy lazy lazy lazy so i was like i felt like i felt like bad watching stuff so i would watch old movies that were on reruns but i my sister was obsessed with gaming. Like she was obsessed with The Sims. I thought she lived in The Sims. I never played that game. She was obsessed. I think that she's kind of fucked up in a way where she's like, loves to watch.

Damn! Here now. I love my little sister, we're best friends. But like, she loves to watch people get in weird situations. Like when I played Age of Empires with her, she's like, all my soldiers are going to die. And I'm like, you have, okay, what's this about? It's like her control. She's like, I can control these people.

And she was obsessed with that. And she was always getting in trouble for being online so much. So I, like, related being online to, like, getting in trouble. Yeah. I just never fucking I get that I feel that too I still feel guilt about video games well you totally I mean if I play

video games I it's interesting because I can't play video games when I'm trying to make music because the constant dopamine hit when you're playing games oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah and you just can't fall asleep it just clears my creativity i don't know what it is yeah i have i and i've met people that can like play fortnite and shit and still

make music and i'm like how do you guys do that like i don't know yeah it's so confusing so when you're when you're making music how do you are you just like i cannot play video games when i'm making music like do you set up like weeks at it, like, weeks at a time? Yeah. So I usually – yeah, I would say, like – so, for instance, 2022, I did, like, 136 shows. And then at the last show on December 17th, I also was, like, completely sober that year. And then I just, like, got super messed up on the 17th. And then the 18th, I remember waking up and being like,

took a bunch of Tylenol because I was hungover. And then I just played WoW for, like, 18 hours. And then I just played WoW for like 18 hours straight. And I just played WoW for the next three weeks straight. And you hadn't played WoW that whole year, basically. That whole year. And I was just like banking that time to play it, basically. Wow. So I just like kind of give myself like a relaxation period.

It's kind of like a vacation. Is it better to like not go for a while and then bank it at the end or is it better to just like slowly have it in your your life weekly i just will definitely i'll find myself just being unable to be creative and it's like i would i'll feel guilty not guilty but i'll just be like oh i should probably be working on my career uh rather than wasting time playing video games but even if wasting time playing video games but even if wasting time playing video games

is like a healthy thing for me it's like an escape I just like I don't know I'm so caught up in my own work shit you know

I'm a workaholic for sure I have to like the way you feel about video games sometimes I am such a workaholic

sometimes that my body is like I've lost my voice my body is like done so I actually at a place where I'm like I need to stop am such a workaholic sometimes that my body is like, I've lost my voice. My body's like done. So I actually, at a place where I'm like, I need to stop doing certain things that are a part of my career that are just like killing me right now

or like might not be serving me right now, which I find to be really, really hard. And I don't know what I would be like if I got into video games. Like I don't. You should. I mean, we played all of the Five Nights at Freddy's, and she was actually really good at them. Yeah, we played all of them.

Yeah, you started to lock in to it, so I think you would be really good at video games. I love horror so much, so the horror video games were so fun, and I was getting so into it. It's just like, I maybe have used the fucking controller maybe like 10 times in my life. The joystick thing is really interesting to watch

and it's not something I thought about of like how much of a, almost like a language or like a reflex it is to use both the joysticks at the same time and be looking and moving at the same time. Because when you and Angela are trying to play a game like Fortnite or something, you just don't use your right thumb. Or Angela just could not use her right thumb.

And I was just like, oh, I didn't think about how much of that's something that I learned throughout my whole life. And it's such a like. It's very interesting because nowadays, like if you don't know it as a kid, like you're whack. Kind of the same as if you don't learn Spanish by the time you're 12, you're screwed or something. I guess that's interesting. In the Canadian education system, it's all French, basically.

I remember being like, why do you learn Spanish? We learned French. Ours was all Spanish. Interesting. We didn't even have Portuguese. We had so many Portuguese people who went to my school, and that wasn't even an option. It was like Spanish or French,

but everyone had years and years and years of Spanish. Cool. But if I'm not practicing it all the time. You're just going to lose it. It's like if I had the fucking joystick and I was able to practice it all the time, great. But my mind could not connect. It's like fucking tapping your head

and rubbing your brain. It really is. It's really difficult. And it would get so fucking frustrating. Yeah. Yeah. And so. No, it's truly like a second nature thing

that if you don't have, it's hard. I think you would get it though after a couple months. I would get it, but I have another. It would be frustrating. I have like another addiction. My addiction is like watching.

True crime. True crime documentaries. That's fine. And series. I'm obsessed with series that no one has ever seen. Like British series or Dutch series or something in another language. I'm obsessed. I'm like, have you seen this?

Everyone's like, never heard of it. Can't talk about it. You know the thing though with our job, I feel, and I feel like it's true for you with any sort of creative job, is like there's really nothing you can do that is technically a waste of time, I feel like, because everything is a resource for inspiration. Especially with comedy, and especially with what we do, because we do so much at Smosh. Or I'm like, there's no video game you can play that's technically a waste of time, because I've used that as some sort of thing that I we make a sketch out of or like we end up playing that game on on one of our shows so like but I still feel that guilt yeah I still like I'm wasting time well it's interesting because I do

think like a relative amount of my identity online is just like I am a gamer so I've used the ability of or I've used all of my hours that I put put into WoW I'm just being like hey you know I actually do play that game unironically so when people come up to me like oh yeah what class do you run

kind of thing it's like yeah your audience relates to you relatability so yeah I totally hear the sentiment

in that for sure it adds another level to you I think sometimes when people just focus on one thing

it's just it's not worth it I think to be creative you focus on one thing, it's just, it's not worth it. I think to be creative, you have to do so many different things. But I can understand how the video games kind of takes out all your creativity. I get that. Because I think it turns on a part of your brain

that is giving you everything you need. It's almost like you already did all the things you could do creatively, so now you're done. You know when you're like, oh, I want to write this script, and you think about it so much that your mind and body is like, oh, I wrote it. It's done. And then when you actually have to sit down and write it,

you're like, oh, no, I have to retrain my brain. It's not written yet. I don't know if you experience that, but I do. When I think about a project forever, and I'm a little bit nervous about it, and then when I actually have to sit down and do it, I'm like, my body thought I already did it. Yeah, totally.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm writing an album right now, and every time we get in the room, I'm doing it with Y2K, the guy who made the Submissive and Readable beat. I know it's done. I know kind of where I'm going to take it creatively and like I'm going to try to make like a movie out of all the songs and like put them all like. Amazing.

Conjoined music video kind of thing. So I have it like theorized and like contextualized in my brain, but it's not done. So sometimes I, you know, I can totally understand where you're coming from it's very interesting because I'm like I know what I want it to sound like what I want it to hear or look like visually but I'm just it's not done and you have to do it

do you feel like when you're in the middle of writing an album do you feel like your night's sleep is really dedicated to literally writing the album as you're sleeping I don't know about you but but I wake up at three. If I'm in the middle of writing a show or writing something or doing a performance, I'm, like, waking up in the middle of the night, like, having these ideas or thoughts or, like, I got to write that down.

It just kind of keeps me up. No, I actually have a really weirdly really weirdly like healthy relationship with making music basically i i have to be in a very healthy state to make good music i don't know why but if i'm not sleeping enough i can't make good music so i'm like focusing on all the other aspects while i'm writing trying to write the best type of music i'm like make sure i'm getting enough like b12 like literally like supplementation like i because i studied so i studied kin in the past and i like know a lot about my health and i know when i am really healthy exercising organized having like organized life like cleaning my room like being very healthy i can just make the best art possible i don't know why so that's that's just like how I've figured it out.

So like I guess in a sense it's similar because you're like constantly thinking about it. But I'm constantly thinking about how I can stay as healthy and like stay on top of my sleep schedule and get enough exercise in order to, you know, create the juice in my brain. See, I want to get to that place because what I'm focusing now, I think a lot of my creativity has come from like, sometimes when I'm like running on empty, like so exhausted, like asleep, just like, all right, produce, produce, produce, produce. And it's like, now as I've gotten older, I'm like, oh, how do I connect this to longevity? How do I make it so I'm healthy and taking care of myself and still allowing the creativity? I think sometimes like the unhealthy, like I'm not sleeping.

I'm just going, going, going, going is connected to like, oh, there's the best shit. The fight or flight kind of thing. Yeah. And I'm trying to redo it. Like this year is like a puzzle piece. I'm like, okay, wait, how do i retrain my brain to be like no healthy you can also be healthy and have a life and be creative yeah yeah i remember some of the songs that i've made that are like my biggest or the best i don't know you know the

feeling when i mean you're married but um you know the feeling when you start talking to a girl or you start talking to a guy and it's like that light chase and you're on the cusp. You're like, oh my God, oh my God, I think I might be able to hold her hand, hold his hand. That feeling right in that week is when I write crazy music. Really? I don't know what it is, but it's like every time it's just like I feel like I'm doing everything right so I don't second guess myself. And I think that small pocket of clear casting in your brain where you're like everything I'm doing is clearly right so it doesn't fucking matter. And then there's no second guessing and I just like yeah I always am making it sounds like that gets you into that flow state

where you're just like you're in it and there's no thought it's just pure like creativity going through you and sometimes when I'm sick too cause when I'm sick I'm not thinking I'm not really like thinking about your guard's down a little bit yeah my guard's down and I'm just like alright whatever I'll see if I can make something good.

Yep. And then it's just like, oh, this is sick. Yeah. That's why I connected to the, like that unhealthy place. But I'm realizing that that feeling that you're talking about, I call it like, there's like this magic. I don't know what it is. It's like this present magic where I actually hear what I'm saying and I go, uh-huh, I agree. Yeah. And then we say it or we write it and it's like and that's

right and that works. It's like there's one mind whereas usually there's like a bunch of minds going on inside your head that are all fighting. You're like trusting. Yeah. Yeah exactly. It's a trust. I get that because for me I deal with extreme perfectionism and that's like been my lifelong battle of deconstructing

that where I'm like when I try to get creative sometimes, I just truly get frozen. Because it's like I'm battling something that's telling me that nothing works. So I'm constantly throwing something and it's not hitting the wall, but then I've had these moments where suddenly it all just clicks,

and I'm like, and I can just go. But yeah, it takes those certain moments, takes those certain conditions. It's so interesting because it's like, like you were saying, you studied psychology, but, and I studied kin, so it's like kind of adjacent. And a lot of, throughout my education, it's basically just like, hey, so we know absolutely nothing about the brain. And like that is like the basis of what you learn about health sciences and psychology and sociology and stuff like that. Imagine if we knew enough

to a point where we could just bottle that feeling up and just give it to people in vials. People would be so cracked. Would it be good? I don't know if it would be good. We already have AI and it's basically doing that eventually. Like unfortunately or fortunately.

It's going to beat us. I don't like it. It's frustrating. Yeah, in psychology like the main, one of the main takeaways is like you don't know yourself as well as you think you do. And like a lot of studies actually show it's like actually the people around you know you better than you know yourself. It's like a really weird thing of like people are so sure of their themselves in ways where they're off. Not not in every way, but just in a lot of stuff. But what's also frustrating more on the personal level of just creativity and as an artist of any kind is that no two people work the same way.

And it's so frustrating because like I will like when I was younger, I was constantly researching how other actors or other writers or other comedians did shit. And it was all always different. And I was like, God damn. So, like, you do have to learn your own way about it. You do. Yeah. I guess I have a lot of people that there's a sentiment there. Because I have a ton of people always hitting me up.

They're like, how did you do this? How did you do this? And I'm like, bro, I just did it. You did it your way. Yeah. And it's just, like, that's kind of something that i was saying in the very beginning it's just like you have to be yourself because if you're not it's just not gonna work yeah because it's too difficult to do two things at once and i also think when people

ask that like how did you do this how did you do this i think it's more of like how did you keep going how did you get inspired How did you get like the motivation? Like fans will ask me, how do you keep being creative? How do you keep coming up with stuff? Or how do you literally keep going? And it's kind of all part of my work is like, I'm obsessed with this idea of that. How do we as creative people keep going?

How do we keep being like, I love this. I still love this. When we don't always see results. And I'm kind of obsessed with that because I think that's why acting classes and all these classes where a teacher's like, this is how you do it. And you're like, huh? And there's, there's no one right way, but there is a way to consistently feed that part of yourself. And for me, it's like rituals. It's like morning rituals. It's routines. And they don't have to be the same,

but they put me in a place where my body's trusting itself. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's like a sociological case study of how people interact with what you've made. Yeah. And it's like oh is this raisin gonna be good with this craisin you know what I mean

mix them together but yeah I totally agree you know it's interesting making music for so long I like I could basically like surgically take moments of every single song that I know is why the song is popular, put them all in one song, it's gonna be a big song.

Interesting. I just, I just know I do that. I, and I do do that. I just do it very like slyfully sometimes because I make music very almost like, I would say mathematically. It's like I hear a beat and it's like, all right, where need to fill it up interesting that's it i don't really i don't know sometimes like sometimes it's weird because it's like everyone has their own creative flows and yeah and their methods and whatnot but it's like sometimes i'm like i don't i don't think like artistically about it sometimes i'm like is this bad logically it's like logically it's like algorithmically or like logarithmically you know it's like if there's this much of a song and like this much it's like i you know i'll cut a part out because i just don't think it's making the song better you know it's like you're a

scientist i get that i get that so i mean we we kind of like we talk about how i'm like trying to learn music that's the joke because at the beginning of this year i was like i'm gonna listen to an album a week because i don't like throughout my life i've just listened to music like here and there i'm the type that i'm like oh there's a song i like i'm listening to that on repeat but i rarely listen to like albums or tried to actually understand people's sound and so i never understood it how a lot of my friends do um but i listened to all of your albums before this podcast. Really? Yeah.

I listened to all of them. And so I did that. And then you showed up and you were like, oh, I have COVID. And I was like, well, all right. You're now like on my playlist. I listened to all of them. Yep. And I've been doing that.

I've been listening to a lot of music. But I didn't realize until I started. I was like, OK, I'll listen. And I was like, you have a lot of albums. I was like blown away. I was like, oh, damn. You have a lot of music'll listen. And I was like, you have a lot of albums. I was like blown away. I was like, oh, damn. This starts. A lot of music.

And then I was also like, you have a lot of albums. And I'm like, and then you had a million singles before those albums. So I was listening to all of those too. So I listened to all of it. I picked like my five favorite songs. Really? But I think I understand a little bit what you're talking about. Because I really like your music.

It's similar to a lot of the stuff that I've that I listen to a lot because I listen to music when I'm at the gym or when I'm driving. So I kind of like driving to work. I need energy music and your music has a lot of energy to it. Especially I think you're like the past four years.

But I definitely noticed the mathematical thing because I think I mean I don't know anything about music, but I think your stuff just, it just fits really well. Whereas a lot of, a lot of music I listened to, like it's,

it's disjointed in a cool way. I don't know. Like just, there's different vibes to it, but yours just like fits. Yeah. Like I, yeah,

I, I've had a lot of people be like, your, your taste is what is good. I'm not saying anything important because I don't have anything important to say. But it's like most people are just like, yeah, whatever, like your taste, like what you like is really dope. Your music is such a vibe. Because I love that Shane is listening to all your albums.

I started listening to a lot of your songs and now they're coming up on my own playlist. You know, Spotify will make all these playlists for you. And then I'm like, oh my god, it's Baby No Money. Oh my god, it's Baby No Money. It's it boy. It just keeps coming up. So you're now, even if I don't go to you, you're on all my playlists.

You just have a cool ass sound. It makes you a cool-ass sound. Like, it makes you want to kind of dance. It makes you want to vibe. It makes you want to hang out. It makes you, for me, it feels nostalgic in a way. Like, it makes me want to call, like, an old friend from high school and be like, what's up? Interesting.

Want to hang out? Really? I've never heard that. Also, it makes you want to hang out is really funny. That's definitely. Hey, guys, want to hang out? Like, hang out? It's very positive. It's hang out. It's very positive.

It's very positive. It's very positive. A lot of music you listen to and it's like, I don't know, especially I felt like this past few years, like music felt like,

had like, even if the lyrics weren't sad, it just kind of felt like, heavy, all right. Weighted. But this feels like, oh,

everything's going to be all right. Yes. Kind of vibe. Lightheartedness, tongue in cheekness, just, I like, it's like funny. The thing kind of vibe. Lightheartedness, tongue-in-cheekness. It's funny. The thing is I just have nothing important to say, so let's just say the dumbest shit possible.

And I would say your music's humble. Your music is humble in a way, in that vibe. I know where I stand in the spectrum of musicianship. I do think there's a world where I can turn around and this RE project, this Y2K project I'm making, is way more artistic. He was like, you know what? Let's get a Fantano review.

Because if I wanted to, I could take a crazy left turn and just make seven-minute songs. I know I could, but I also just don't know if I want to do that. I think Fantano reviewed Submissive and Breedable. Did he? He gave a rating to it.

Really? I remember that. Oh, I think I remember that. What was the rating? He gave it like a C something, which I was like, you know what? For Ian and Anthony's comeback music video in a long time, it's such a like, and he clearly enjoyed it. He was laughing about it.

I was like, because I don't know was like laughing about it. I was like, I was like, cause I don't know much about Fantano, but I was like, I think he's a pretty tough critic. So I was like, Hey, he's a funny guy.

He, every time he reviews my music, it's so funny because usually he's saying, he says like this, he says that, he says that. He, it boy,

one of my songs that I put out recently, he put in like best, best tracks of the week. And he was like, you know, baby, no money, back with a fucking banger. That's it. Move on. That's what I feel when I'm listening. I don't feel like I owe anybody anything.

I'm listening to it and I'm just like, oh, I can just chill right now. I can just fucking hang out. I don't feel like I need to change the world or be a hero. Do you know what I'm saying? It's perfect. I love it. It's perfect when I'm at the gym.

It is perfect gym music. It's kind of like when I used to play Diablo 2, or I still do, it's like one of the games I turn my brain off. It's like turn your brain off shit. It's amazing. I'm not trying to provoke anything thoughtful unless you're like, what did he say there?

That happens to me. I'm like, the fuck did he just say? And having listened to all of it, I felt like you got that happens to me i'm like the fuck did he just say and having listened to all of it i felt like you got that vibe more and more and more i have a specific song we'll eventually get to it there's a specific song where i think was the turning point like and i mean maybe it was always there but i felt like there was there was one song where i was like okay this is like and i felt like after that i saw like a different vibe but maybe i'm wrong i'm excited to hear i'm an idiot on music.

But first, I'm actually curious because Selena did a little bit of research. And she found that you originally planned on being a swimmer before you got into music. So when I was homeschooled, my mom always put me in extracurriculars just to have friends. And I was really good at swimming. I don't know where it came from, but I just ended up becoming a competitive swimmer. Basically swam for Canada kind of thing. And then I broke my back.

And I had to give that shit up. How'd you break your back? I was playing rugby. My dad literally was like, don't play rugby. You're going to hurt yourself. I'm like, no, dad. I'm an adolescent. I want to party. I want to do dope shit with boys.

And then I want to play with the men. And then, yeah, it kind of fell out the window. But I mean, I'm still fast in the water. Yeah, I mean, I don't swim. I don't go out of my way to swim. Because I can't go to a pool and be like, hey, let's go wade in the pool. I don't do that. I just go in the pool.

I'm like, I need to be fast. You want to do laps and shit. So I was going to become a swimmer. I mean, like, the thing is, even if you're, like, number two ever, it's tough. It's tough. Yeah.

You know, Michael Phelps probably made a couple million dollars, you know, off of sponsorships. No, being an Olympian is not easy. And he's, like, greatest olympian of all time yeah no that's a brutal industry that is brutal that is like yeah no rough um so when did you start like enjoying music and making any sort of music uh i was like i was like 20 so about nine years ago uh or like 21 i don't really remember but I just remember chilling with my friends, smoking a blunt,

and being like, what are we supposed to do? Doing literally like, what are we supposed to do? It's like, we're supposed to chill, man. And then you just started rapping, and everyone's like, oh, well, that's what you're gonna do. No, so one of my friends said, he was like, I made a song last night, you wanna listen to it? And I was like, sure. And it was just like, just like garage band, auto-tune,

just, boy. Nice. And then we just did it, and I just, I remember Just like garage band, auto-tune, just boy. Nice. Yeah. And then we just did it. I remember in that moment in my life, I was very depressed because I was going through a bad breakup. I was going through my shifted life, trying to find myself. I just enrolled myself into a community college because I was like, I'm fucking stupid. What am I supposed to do with my life?

And in that moment I was like, wow, this made me really happy. Like it was like a beautiful, like epiphany. And I remember I woke up the next morning. I was like, I want to do that way more often. And I just told the guys, I was like, yo, let's just do it. And then one of my friends just bought a mic and we just ended up doing it often. And I just told the guys, I was like, yo, let's just do it. And then one of my friends just bought a mic and we just ended up doing it often. Like, very, very often.

And we made like 100 songs together, just a group of friends. Wow. Crazy. And it was, I think maybe one of them was good. I was going to say, release the tapes. That's kind of... Oh, they're out.

They're out there. Are they under your name? No, it's under BBG, Broke Boy Gang. to say like that's kind of that's kind of oh they're out they're out there where what are they under your name no they're it's under bbg broke boy gang awesome so from the start you knew that your vibe was like no money like because you broke boy gang to be well so i grew up in a i grew up in a household and i love my parents dearly and you know, they just taught me that make your fucking money. Like, that's kind of where I grew up. My dad worked, like, 75, 85-hour weeks kind of thing. So he, while my mom was, like, homeschooling us. So that was my understanding of what money is. And it's like, you basically make money to have a family and a life and a,

a roof over your head kind of thing. So it was like do or die. So that was distilled into me early on as a, as a kid. And then I just kind of use those practices to be cheap and frugal. And I am a cheap and frugal person. Like when you see me ordering an uber black it's probably because i'm on a date i would never do that and like that uh this girl i'm seeing

right now like loves uber blacking and i'm just like i'm just like yo i'm i'm i'm ripping that prius until i die and and and she knows it and and it's cool because it's like i'm very open and i understand my boundaries now and i'm like don't make it's cool because it's like I'm very open and I understand my boundaries now. And I'm like, don't make me spend money because it actually affects me. It's like I have a trauma with it. So I just use that as baby no money. And it's like whenever I buy myself like pants or something, all of my friends are like, damn, Alex, you switched up.

Like, what's wrong with you? You spent $300 on pants. Like, you're fucking crazy and i'm like all right all right all right oh my god so it's it's cool it's like it's a real part of who i am it's like diy or or like being cheap or or understanding that i just don't need to spend money. It's like, do I want it? Maybe. Do I need it? Then I'll buy it. Right, exactly.

Did the name come up like, was that just like a spur of the moment thing or did you work on that? So my DJ Dan, one of my best buddies, we were in Brokeboy Gang together. Our first show we did, we made like jerseys, basically. We made jerseys with like our faces down our sleeves. And then we had like numbers behind on the back with like our name on the top.

Oh, my God. It was boy time. Yeah. It was really cute. It was a really good experience. It really like set the playing field, the foundation for like why I wanted to do this. And I think still holds kind of true. It's just like I love the art of it

and I love just fucking around with the boys kind of thing. So he just, my name originally was Baby Freestyle and it just, it wasn't,

it was too long and he just shortened it to BB, I don't know, Dollar Sign. I love it. Some rappers have really long names though.

Yeah. Because what's his name? Oh God. Here we go. Something the Slump God. names, though. Yeah. Because what's his name? Oh, God. Here we go. Something the Slump God. Oh, Ski Mask the Slump God. Ski Mask the Slump God. I remember when I heard that, and I was like, that's a hilarious name.

I was like, that's long. You've got to say that whole thing. His name is sick. He's also one of, I think, in our generation, is probably one of the most talented internet rappers. I'm so curious. His wordplay is insanity. You really have to check his music out.

Just on the artistic perspective, I give him all the accolades. He's so good at flowing. It's really like coming from a person who understands how to make music in his general lane. You don't find many people that can just like be pitter-pattery the whole way and it sounds so cool wow and i think he does a really really really good job of it i i'm like a huge fan of his music that's really

cool i've come across a lot of his music just like it's been recommended or whatever but um i'll put what let's put his albums on my list. But when I listen to music, especially like rap and stuff, I don't understand what makes something good or not, typically, like when I'm listening to it. I'm just like, I like it or I don't vibe with it. But I don't understand the like study of it.

Like when you're saying like, no, this is really, really well done. I don't understand what makes something categorically good or not um but i know that takes like understanding so there's a okay for instance like look at drake everything he says he can he articulates like perfectly and it comes across with like great delivery like, cadence, delivery, and just tone. Sure. So I remember Rich Brian, 21 Savage, I was like, oh, I love these guys' music because of their tone. And it's like, you know, I could go listen to Eminem, God bless Eminem, one of the greatest rappers ever to do it, but I just, like, don't like his, like, tone now.

And I think it's also, like, there's a little bit more to it because it's like the nicer the mic sometimes like you lose a sound like for instance there's this guy named black bear uh and he he only sings on a cheap microphone because it makes his voice sound cooler interesting so there's there's a lot of like small little techie things yeah sometimes like the nicer the microphone for me too too, the worse it sounds. There's some mixing engineers that love keeping more of my bassy, raw voice. I hate it. I love distorting my voice with a bunch of compression so it sounds like. Oh, I love a raw voice. And that's where you can encapsulate more aggro-ness from my voice,

but I'm not actually saying anything aggro. So it's super interesting because there's a science to it, really. Interesting. But I definitely have just kind of gone off on a tangent. I feel like that is happening a lot more in um vo especially in like commercials is that they want to hear the raw they want to hear like the inflections they want to hear the unique differences in your voice yeah so like even like the breaths in or like a word that you're saying that's a little bit more passionate than the other thing

they want to hear it. And yes, they want the mic to sound good, but they don't want that polished sound anymore with your voice specifically. People want realness, I think. I think people are desperate for realness. There was such a long period of music just being basically so cookie cutter.

And the music's good, but now that there's so much music, you can get whatever you want. That's true. I remember someone was talking about like

Japanese like cum metal or something like that. And it's like, if you want Japanese cum metal, like go get Japanese cum metal.

You know, it's like whatever that is. What the fuck is that? And I have, I literally have no idea. You don't know? I'm looking it up, man know, it's like whatever that is. What the fuck is that? And I have, I literally have no idea. You don't know? I'm looking it up, man.

And it's like, if you want, it's like, that guy's lifting 500 pounds. Japanese cum metal. Japanese cum metal. But you can find anything you want.

Like, anything. That's so cool. So, yeah, I don't know. Music is beautiful, and I'm glad that you're finally getting into it. I am. Also, dude, you listen to all my music? Yeah, so let's go through it. That's fucked.

I love this reaction so much. I don't feel like that's that crazy. Yeah, your music is good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Surely. But, like, I got a lot of music. You do have a lot your music is good I got a lot of music you do have a lot of music a lot

so the first song you had a bunch of singles for a long time when did you start working with Young Gravy because I feel like so much of your music is with him yeah that's a good thing so that was in like 2016 I basically sent him a message Because I feel like so much of your music is with him. Yeah, that's a good fix. So that was in, like, 2016.

I basically, like, sent him a message, and we just became friends kind of thing. Cool. It was, like, we were both really low, low-key at the time. And then started working. We did, like, a couple songs. And then one song, like, really hit on SoundCloud. And we were like, oh, shit. Like, maybe we have something here. And we just started doing a lot more songs together because it was just fun. really hit on SoundCloud and we were like, oh shit, maybe we have something here.

And we just started doing a lot more songs together because it was just fun. When you make a song, it's like an undertaking. Yeah. But if someone else is doing half of it, you're like,

fuck, all right. This is easy. Yeah, you're bouncing off. Yeah, you're bouncing off each other and it's like, it just makes the process easier. I don't know how to explain it. It's like easier

and it's also usually just better because you don't have to listen to yourself the whole time. Yep. That's fair. So it. It's like easier and it's also usually just better because you don't have to listen to yourself the whole time. Yep. That's fair. So it's kind of like a just, okay, check on the box. And we just became friends.

I remember FaceTiming him on Facebook because I didn't have an iPhone because I had an Android. And he was like, you fucking loser. I was texting him green and I just remember like FaceTiming him for the first time and he never showed his face.

So he didn't show his face for two and a half years because he was working at a tech startup. So funny. He didn't want to reveal his face until it worked. Imagine Young Gravy with his whole persona just working at a tech support company. Yeah, exactly. So once he did that, or I remember FaceTiming him, I was like, either he's like some 45-year-old father that is just like bored with his kids, or I have no idea. And I remember FaceTiming him, like, okay, this makes sense. How tall is he?

He's tall as a motherfucker. 7'5". No, no. He's a... 6'7"? Yeah, he's like 6'7", 6'8". But his vibe is so similar to you because I feel like he doesn't take himself seriously at all. Yeah, yeah.

It's interesting. It's like kind of a match made in heaven. Yeah. Like it's also been really beautiful to have someone that I can actually communicate with and be like, these are some stressors that I'm having in my life. Like how did you deal with them? That's cool. And it's like him and i like actually

see eye on a lot of things some things we definitely don't but that's just the nature of things uh but it's interesting because it's like a lot of the times you don't really meet too many people in the music business that like can communicate effectively i would say uh and it's been interesting i my relationship with him is great. It's beautiful. I'm so happy I have him in my life kind of thing. Well, because the first song that I listened to that I was like, okay, I think this is one of my favorites. It was from 2017. I don't know if it's the one that you said blew up,

but it's Boomin'. Yeah, Boomin'. Boomin's a good song. That song was sick. I don't know if I heard that one yet. It's got this cool R&B vibe, beat to it, which I love because I grew up, my parents listened to just R&B and Motown and stuff.

So that stuff's very nostalgic. I just loved it. I loved the way you guys rapped over it. I thought it was sick as hell. I was like, this one rocks. That song was really funny. I remember him sending it to me, and I'd be like, eh.

Because my normal beat selection is just more like, beep-a-dee-ba-dee-ba-dee-ba-doo. Yeah. It's a little more like, yeah, it's a little more slow and whatnot. And I just remember him asking me, no joke, normal beat selection is just more like, yo, can you go mow the lawn? I was like, fuck. I was like, all right. I got you after I mowed the lawn. Came back in, did it in like 15, 20 minutes, sent it back to him. He's like, this is fire.

Put it out the next day, and it like exploded. Really? What? Yeah. That's badass. That's really badass. So that's more of his, is that more of his vibe always? Is that like smoother vibe? Yeah, he goes more like smoothie vibes.

And I go more like bee-boo-bee-boo. Yeah, you're more like computer.. And I go more like beep boop beep boop. Yeah, you're more like computer. Because he doesn't do the fast stuff. Basically. You'll occasionally go really fast. I'm more synthetic than he is. He's more like acoustic, I guess. Okay.

Interesting. Such a good mix, though. Yeah. No, we blend pretty well together. But you dropped like an album a year pretty much after that. Because 2018 was your first album, Baby Steps. Then you had one in 2019. Was 2019 Recess?

I had Recess and I Don't Care At All. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I had La La La. And then I was like, okay, fuck, I got another drop. That song is stuck in my head all the time. What, La La La? La La La. That shit blew up.

La La La. Unlike that. All the time. So you had songs that were big, but then that song was like. So good. So I graduated June 7th, 2019. I dropped that song that day. I remember my parents were like, okay, let's go for lunch.

And I'm like, nope. I'm going to go drop the song. And then my sister texted me in the car because she came to the graduation. She was like, what the fuck are you doing? Mom and dad are mad at you right now. Like, what are you doing? Like, this is a moment for you. Like, why aren't we going to be together and i was like trust me this is

gonna change my life and i went and i remember eating a whole bag of honey dijon chips like the big one from the kettle chips and i remember by the time i released it i was like oh but i just remember lying in bed we like i just graduated let's go get fucked up And The next day the song did Like five times more Than any song I've ever put out First day out and I was like

Oh shit And then ten days later It was doing like a million and a half a day And it was like one of the biggest songs in the world And I was like Whoa And I million and a half a day yeah it was like the biggest one of the biggest songs in the world and i was like whoa and i i yeah my life i was making really good money at the time you know i had recess out i had a little bit of success like virally and stuff like that and i was like i was growing i was growing i was growing i was growing but that song just went like yeah it just took my

career off like so fucking fast but the interesting is interesting thing is is i so i didn't sign it already signed it and in this moment i made some massive mistakes like me not signing it that means i didn't get any of like the actual like gatekeeper promotion sure so everything was gate kept and also um la la la was like one of the first tiktok songs so all the people at radio stations were like nah man fuck tiktok damn we go payola or get hit the road jack you know what i mean so but now it's like if it's a tiktok song it's going on the radio exactly so we were like we were like

one of the first and then also we didn't have a contract when the song came out so when I I went to China and I did a festival

and I came back it was interesting because when I got back the label was all the labels were down our throats trying to sign the song.

We were like, what the fuck is going on because there's no contract. And I was like, oh, because you're just indie. Yeah, it was just,

I was like, oh, it's just 50-50 with the producer. Like, what's the big deal? And I just remember it just being like, supposedly in the label system now, there's something called,

it's like the la la la deal. If somebody, yeah, somebody just drops a song and there's no producer contracted or anything, there's something called, it's like the La La La deal. What? Yeah, somebody just drops a song and there's no producer contracted or anything. There's no contractual data or information for the label to have clearances to be like, oh yeah, let's just buy it off this guy. Now people call it the La La La situation. That's crazy. So you permanently changed the music industry. A little bit, yeah. It's coolla situation. That's crazy. So you permanently changed the music industry.

A little bit, yeah. It's cool. Crazy. It's cool. Damn. I did not know that that had so much history, that song. That song is gigantic. Now that it's stuck in my head all the time,

I'm like, oh, wow, now I know the history of that. That song, basically, I remember my agent calling me, and he was like you're set for life bro you know that right and I'm like what do you mean

he's like no you're like really set for life with this one this is a super hit yeah agents don't say that ever I'm curious after because a question I ask

with music a lot a game I like to play is like what song is going to be still like a big song 10 years from now? Because it's hard to know because songs can get big

and whatever, but like, it's been a long time since that song came out. Like, it's been like five years and it's still a big song. Like,

it doesn't seem like it's going to go away. But you never know what's like, you know how like, like, Hit Me Baby One More Time by Britney Spears, right? Like, it was gigantic at the time, but it's like, you know how like, like Hit Me Baby One More Time by Britney Spears, right?

Like, it was gigantic at the time, but it's like, that doesn't mean it's gonna be around in 10 years, but it's like, it's still gigantic. But it's like,

you just, I'm always, I love just thinking about that, of like, what's gonna still be the song that we're listening to. It's interesting because there's, there's so many records now

that are like, flash in the pan kind of thing. It's like, boom, they're huge. And then they die. Yeah. And then it's like,

Oh, I don't really care about that. But I think the one thing about la la la is it, it was a shift in culture at the same time because Tik TOK was becoming such a normalized thing for everyone in everyone's day. And that then when people think about tiktok or people think about fortnite there's like this weird like like mesh yeah it's like fortnite blew up in 2019 super super super hard and then la la la there was like basically they're basically the fortnite

community made montages to la la la and every single montage just exploded and that was like a massive avenue of promotion for me and i i used to have so many like fortnite gamers being like bro thank you so much like your song blew my blew my shit up and it's like every time i post la la la still people are like man this this ran 2020 this ran 2019 and it's so interesting just like how people have nostalgia and it's also crazy when people are like yo i was seven when that song dropped like i see a comment i'm like oh my god that's oh that's we get that a lot like dude i grew up watching you and i'm like what yeah it's crazy it's crazy so you had all those albums then you had La La La Which was just a single But 2020 is the album Good Luck Have Fun

That's the one where I think There's a song that I'm like Okay I feel like this like Really? There's a song that I There's a song that in that one Was that This was I think my favorite song

That you've ever dropped Really? It's kind of a random one I love this reaction But it's IMA with Lentra from Good Luck Have Fun. It's got such a cool beat. I don't know. It's just my, I was just listening to it.

I was like, oh yeah, this one slaps. You think this is the one that. I felt like before this, you had a really sick vibe. But something about that song felt like it kicked into this. There's just so many songs you drop nowadays, especially like your recent two, like It Boy and Lil Freak, that I'm just like, this is like a fucking party. Banger. And like, Ima was the first one I was like, this is like a song you put on at a party and it's going to like up it to the next level. That's what I felt like.

Whereas your other songs were like, these are really good like rap songs. Hang out. And it just like, I don't know, it just, it had a different, I don't know, I felt like there was a other songs were like, these are really good rap songs. Hang out. And it just like, I don't know, it had a different, I don't know, I felt like there was a little bit of a different vibe. The same vibe,

just a little bit different. No, a lot of people really like that song. I feel like it's just because it's bottled up in, it's like speed. It's like, as fast as I humanly can rap

kind of thing, I was just spitting gibberish. Yeah. You know, it's a cool song. Also, the music video is great. I got Jimbo. I don't think I've watched the music video. Oh, you haven't seen it?

I just was listening to this song. It's me fully dragged up. That's awesome. Oh, wait. Yeah, I saw some clips of that. I got huge ass tits. It's so sick. Yeah.

Bad ass. Jesus. That's amazing. Yeah, it ass. Jesus. That's amazing. Yeah, it was a really, really good time. I think that was the first time I've ever been like, okay, so I get noticed every so often in public, but I remember when I was in full drag, like I shaved my beard kind of thing, like full drag, like five hours of makeup kind of thing. I didn't tuck

because I was like, I'm just not going to do that. But, I was walking around in public in Victoria, BC, and it's a really progressive city. I love Victoria.

Amazing. It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. And I just remember everyone was just howling at me and they were like, yeah, like,

fuck yeah, you want free coffee? And I was like, I feel super famous. Were you in drag at that moment yeah oh my god so you were shooting the music video around victoria yeah it was that is that was amazing that was like the most like famous i've ever felt

i was like holy shit man life pretty good that's awesome yeah that's sick as fuck if anyone has the chance to actually do like super high level high-level drag, I would recommend it to anyone. You should do it again. Yeah. I mean, so in Philly, I made a promise to some guy that every single time. Some guy. No, he was in the Mean Green. He's like, hey, bro, like, you should do drag in Philly every time you come back.

I was like, all right. So I'm just going to do, every time I do a show in Philly. In Philly, I'd love to see that. In full drag, every time you come back, I was like, all right. So I'm just going to do – every time I do a show in Philly, I'm full – In Philly, I'd love to see that. In full drag, yeah. I don't know why I agreed to it, but I'm like fucking – I love that you're going to honor this random guy's – It's weird what you agree to. Yeah.

When you're like, yeah, I'll totally do that. Because it's also like, fuck it, why not? Who cares? No, I think you should. I think that sounds amazing. It's sick. So, yeah, I'm already like trying to – I remember we were booking for next year in 2025 to do a tour.

And I was like, no, we've got to do Philly. Because I've got to do drag. And he's like, what? My agent was like, what? I'm like, all right. No, no. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Funny. That's amazing. A random question I have is, is Baby Gravy the name of you and Young Gravy combined? Because you have a couple albums with him. And it says Baby Gravy, Baby No Money, Young Gravy. Oh, so you can just add that as an SEO thing on Spotify. But basically, us collaborating is called Baby Gravy. Got it.

I figured. Baby Gravy. It's kind of disgusting. I was listening to it. I was like, where's Baby Gravy come in? Where is that guy Baby Gravy going to come in? Which one is Baby Gravy? I'm listening for Baby Gravy.

Imagine if it was a mix of both our voices. Honestly, fusion dance. The next song that I really liked is, I felt like this was more Young Gravy's type of vibe, but I thought you were really awesome on it, is What's Up from Eat Your Veggies. Really dig that song. That song is really good. It's weird, because I remember when I made you were really awesome on it, is What's Up from Eat Your Veggies. Really dig that song. That song is really good. It's weird because I remember when I made that song, I was like, I really, really like the basis

of what the song is, but it just didn't do well for whatever reason. I was like, hmm, I really thought the song was going to do better, but that's something that's also interesting because if you like something, other people might not normally the thing

that I love the most people are like yeah it's always crazy to me what? yeah why is that? I don't

it's like for instance like this It Boy song I put out recently like people really are fucking with it like probably more than most of my songs like ever

I loved It Boy It Boy's really good and I remember before I put it out I was like I like it but is it too tech housey I remember before I put it out, I was like, I like it, but is it too tech house-y?

I don't know. It is tech house-y, but I'm kind of into it. It Boy rocks because it's very similar to IMA. I think it's that type of amped up. You're going to really like the next five songs from me then. Fuck yeah, dude.

I can't wait to see the music videos of your next songs if you're making them into a movie. Oh, so I'm doing six songs this year that are all singles. And then the Y2K project, it all kind of has one tone because he produced it all. Whereas like It Boy was produced by two different guys. And then the other song beforehand was produced by another person. So there's going to be like a contextualization to it all.

Cool. And then I'm thinking about shaving my head and growing my beard out wearing aviators and always having a cigar in my mouth and like oiling my body up in every video yeah man okay cool uh baby no daddy think about brad pitt and fight club that's kind of like we're just talking about this did not have a beard and oily chest no no no but the beard is gonna be him I've been working out like religiously

okay so I've been trying to like really watch what I eat and like lose a bunch of weight and look like Brad Pitt and Fight Club

badass okay we were just talking about Brad Pitt and he's the hottest he's ever been in Legends of the Fall yeah we agreed

Legends of the Fall was his peak he's stupid hot that guy is uncomfortably good looking. He's very hot. But he's way hotter with the long hair. You had to take that Ocean's Eleven. He wasn't that good.

Nah. Not even that good. Nah. He was fine. Kind of crazy. He was fine. All right, moving on. Another one of my favorites is Chipotle.

I feel like that's peak you guys not giving a fuck. Yeah, that was, I wrote that, we wrote that song in like, like 18 minutes. That's awesome. Stop. Yeah. I was always,

I'm always so curious, like when you're working on an album, like are you waking up and working on music all day, every day, or is it kind of like, Inspiration. Like spurts of inspiration,

and you're just kind of like. So, yeah, music sessions are like, Hey, come over at two. And if we get nowhere in like two hours, we kind of just give up. Interesting.

That's so smart. Cause I feel like after two hours you keep pushing. Cause you're like, well, I'm not going to leave without anything, but you should just give up after two hours. Yeah. Should.

That's interesting. But like, do you work, do you have, do you, are you given time limits when you're working on an album is it like

oh this is due this time I give myself like a generalized time limit cause cause release schedules and like

promotion it goes like on a monthly basis kind of thing it's like if a song doesn't do well and you keep promoting it you're like

kind of beating a dead horse so it's like move on to the're like kind of beating a dead horse. So it's like move on to the next one kind of thing. So at least from my perspective, it's like drop 10 songs a year, have like a month off kind of thing. And then usually if I'm dropping an album, I personally like doing like three months of an album cycle or like four months where it's like one song every two weeks so you're like really in people's faces okay uh and then it's just like you know you're kind of just in the conscience of your fans yeah uh but yeah i don't know there's no right right rhyme or reason behind anything like you could for instance like my end goal long story short i was having a conversation

with this girl i'm seeing and she's like what happens if your career goes ape shit over the next five years like do you foresee us like being together kind of thing and i'm like if anything if my career goes ape shit that means i can just do less so i like look at playboy cardi or frank ocean no motherfuckers do nothing i I love Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean quite literally does nothing. Does nothing. Literally nothing. And I still listen to his music. Exactly.

I love his music. He's like, you know what? Maybe I'll make a tweet. Ha ha. Album. Biggest thing in the world. And it's like, all right, man. Sick.

I think about that with some YouTubers who just can drop a video once a year, and it's the biggest thing ever. That's the way to live, though. Well, it's unrealistic. Totally. It's for some people. Yeah, for some people. If you're lucky and that happens.

Yeah. I don't know if I could do that. I love what I do. Well, also, some people just go. So what I'm obsessed with is authors. Oh, yeah. I love what I do. Well, also, some people just go. Like, so what I'm obsessed with is, like, authors. Oh, yeah. I love books. But I'm reading a book by Brandon Sanderson right now.

And this guy writes so goddamn much. He's dropping books all the time. And he'll just be like, oh, I wrote a secret book. I didn't tell anyone that I was writing a book. I got another one. And I was researching. I was like, before he had a book published, he had written 13 novels. And he's still

just, and he's like, he's got to have so many millions of dollars. He's got tons of bestsellers, but he just keeps doing it. He just doesn't stop. Same with Stephen King. It's like, some people, they're successful and they just, that's just how they work. And some people, once they're successful, they don't... Stephen King, I read about him, so he writes all

these short stories and he says, if he's in the middle of a book, and he gets an inspiration for a short story, he will stop and then write the short story and then go back to it. It's insane. He'll just go back and forth. Mind-boggling to me. The King Steve. King Steve.

Back to this really quick. The last song. Also, two truly of my favorite songs of yours are It Boy and Lil Freak. Really? Those are truly two of my favorites. They're so good. They're doing pretty well this year then.

Yeah, dude. I'm digging this vibe. But the other one, this is a song Courtney was listening to a ton and it is awesome, is You Need Jesus. That song is so... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've heard that song. Yeah, that song rips. That song is really sick. And then, you, yeah. I've heard that song. That song rips. That song is really sick. And then, obviously, Adamame and stuff is awesome. But those are my favorites, and I did listen to all of it. But It Boys are your favorite song. Yeah.

That's amazing, Shane. Did you listen to... Also, listening to my music in that much detail... I listened to it all, but I will say I'm still not great. And I listen to it all once. Some songs I listen to a bunch. I've listened to It Boy a ton, listened to Lil Freak a ton,

I've listened to Edamame a ton, I'm I listened to a bunch of times. But I'm still not great at listening for lyrics or deciphering the music. I'm truly just listening to it and vibing to it. So I don't have like a breakdown to a detailed level. Well, you kind of just did. To the best of my degree. Did you listen to the albums, like one album at a time? Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. In order? What was your favorite like? It's interesting because then if I'm going like by um it all blurs together because I just was like I would finish an album I'd start the next but if I were to pick like an album then I don't know um in a way like some of your early ones are fun to listen to like all the way through then um like a recess or like uh but I don't know if I have a favorite album

because I was just picking up songs. Do you have one that you cherish? It's interesting because Recess was right when I blew up. Yeah. Kind of thing. So everyone's always like, Recess is your most influential album because you took a sound and ran with it.

Yeah. And it's like, my fans are definitely right about that one um i don't know i i do think i don't care at all has like a great place in my heart where i think that music stands up super super well to this day i it's like it's like y2k and i tried to really just touch every genre, and we're kind of doing that again on this next album. So that's fun.

But I mean, I don't know. The first album was obviously one of my first things where I put together, and I was like a ginormous undertaking, and I understood the intricacies of having to put an album together. So there's a place in my heart there. Special. But I don't know. I don't really critique my music like that much.

Once it's out, it's out. I definitely think my worst album is Good Luck, Have Fun. Really? I think I just like, it was a COVID album. I was like reluctant to like not like waste songs and not put things out. And now I'm being like, I just made basically like 100 songs and I'm only banking and now i'm being like i just made basically like 100 songs and i've i'm only banking like six to put out this year wow so it's like now i'm being way

more intentional and it's paying off like crazy so because like if you put a song out and you flop it and it's just not good or something like that because you're trying to just put out all your music because you're so emotionally attached to it, then you might, you know, you waste like that period. Where, is it a waste? I don't know. Is it art? Yeah, but it's also a business, right?

So I kind of, I unfortunately view it like that sometimes. I think that's smart to do that because if you emotionally attach yourself to each project that you do it's gonna wear you down over time like you have to

throw out so much shit against the wall and then take like oh there's one good thing out of here and I think that if you

if you put all your love and soul into every little thing you're just gonna be exhausted yeah no totally

so I think that's smart. Yeah. Well, damn. Damn. Well, damn. Thank you for listening to my music, man. That's great. Bro, it rocks.

Your music is so good. Your voice sounds so good. I guess I'll listen to this music. No, no, but it is interesting because it's like, I don't know how to explain it. I'm sure you guys feel this too. It's like when you meet people that are like, oh, I actually really like your music.

It's like, what the fuck? I do feel that. It's like weird. When people go, I listen to Smosh Mouth religiously every single Monday. I'm like, what? There is definitely a part of me that's like, why? I'm just like, you're entertained by that?

It's tough. There is that voice. But like I said, if there's people that I am a fan of and I'm watching and they are talking normally as people, I would fucking watch it every Monday too. Totally. Do you know what I'm saying?

I think that there's a realness that there's a connection that we have and that people really want to see and connect to. And it's like, I've started to get better at receiving that stuff rather than being like, huh, are you all right? I've started feeling like, oh, okay, cool.

I'll keep going. Yeah, there's like this weird external validation thing that is like a constant, the constant validation is super interesting because you only really notice a negative. I know. It's so fucking weird and there's like like two million people listen to my music every day on spotify it's like so cool it's like what the fuck and then and then i see a comment hey yo this shit's cringe bro and i'm like ah

not the cream i know and you go to bed thinking about that one comment you just focus and they know they know what they did. Yeah, they're just sitting there. They only said it because they know. Thank you so much for being here, man. Thank you so much for being in so many Smosh things. Yeah. Dude, I'm blessed.

Thank you guys for having me. We're blessed, baby. No money. We're blessed. Well. Should we all hold hands? Let's all hold hands. Guys, listen to It Boy.

I can't reach here. Friends, family. Oh, God, your finger. No. Oh, my gross finger. What listen to It Boy. I can't reach here. Friends, family. Oh, God, your finger. No. Oh, my gross finger. What happened to your finger? I cut it off with a vegetable peeler. Ah.

Had to have it sewn back on. Trying to make a martini. Thank you so much. Your music rocks. Thanks, man. And listen to It Boy. Listen to It Boy and listen to the other songs. You're going to be dropping other songs soon, I'm guessing.

Yep. All right. Okay. All right, we'll see you later. Bye!