Smosh Mouth - S2: #76 - The Pod With No Name

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

Ian, Courtney, Shayne, and Damien are answering your questions (Show w/ No Name-style) about what the entertainment industry is really like, and how their expectations held up against reality. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And now I'm going to be a 16 year old for 30 minutes. Most of the time I'm reacting. I'm often doing it to a piece of tape taped to a camera with a 50 year old sweaty dude right behind it holding the boom mic. For those of you just listening, I highly encourage watching this week's pod because Damien looks like Hozier. Dude, take me to church. I think they're saying that. No, my hair was just getting in my face.

I've always wanted to tie my hair back into like a wolf tail thing. And so I made it happen, but it's already like, I don't know, I'm not skilled at it yet. It's already got the like little wispy hairs in the front and i'm like no i don't like those little those little wispies was this inspired by ghost of tsushima no i mean i've just always wanted cool tied back hair and so i guess i at this point have tied back hair it's not cool yet but no i'm not going for a samurai vibe necessarily i just kind of wanted to pull back my dang hair

it's really cool it is it's very i look like a 50s tv show host with this temporary microphone yeah because microphones are they just hate my apartment yeah it's because she lives she lives near a 5g tower corny because you got so many microwaves that you just race you're like who can cook burrito fastest guys i think i could be a sound guy now like i know how to do this stuff. That's awesome. I used to use those for like the job that I had before Smosh. So what did you guys do this week?

What fun things did you get up to without my supervision? I unpacked a lot because since I've been on the pod, you guys know, but the people out in the world don't know. I moved. I like it a lot i now have like an office space set up specifically for like streaming and voiceover which is cool and separate from my room so now i don't feel like everything i'm doing in quarantine is within like three feet of itself i'm stoked i'm a happy lad. And in case you guys listening and can't tell us by our voices, hello, I'm Ian Hecox. Today, I'm joined by Courtney Miller,

Shane Topp, and Damien Haas. I'm also Ian Hecox. Damien Haas. Damien, what's your middle name? Me? Yeah. It's a secret. Christian.

Christian, that's right. It's no longer a secret. Let's all, like, what if we only referred to each other by our middle names Ruth works for your 50s style you do look like a Ruth right now and welcome to the dance time

Jubilee welcome to the dynamite hop step you guys will have to refer to me as fuck good a lot that is not your middle name yeah it is it's British if you became that way because of your middle name or if they Yeah, it is. It's weird. Like I wonder if you became that way because of your middle name

or if they just like knew you would be that way. I mean, it's a long lineage in my family, if you know what I mean. Do your parents listen to the pod? I hope not. You know, they're actually visiting me in like a week. Right now, they're in the background. Yeah, no, I hope that they're not like

hey we got um we got seven hours to kill in the car we're gonna check out your podcast and this will be the most recent one shoot dude but your parents have to know right by this point that you fuck real good a lot oh i tell them all the time it's pretty much all we talk about i call them i'm like i'm like just so you guys know and it's never a welcome comment they don't ever want to hear about it but it's the only thing it's the only thing i know how to talk about with my parents i think it's important for parents to set boundaries so they don't have to hear their kids say that they are like that what i did this weekend since you guys apparently did nothing ian what did you do this weekend?

I went up to the mountains into the wild, but it was kind of like glamping because they had like cabins and stuff. But it was like very limited, like power and stuff. It was a really great time. But the funny thing about like nature is it always sounds so wonderful. Then you get out into it and then you're like, oh, yeah, I remember why we why we left this. But I think it's good. I think everyone needs to spend some time out in nature to realize that nature don't really give a crap about us.

Well, then let's just move on. I'm actually really excited for today. We're gonna be trying sort of a new sort of way of going about the Smosh cast. We're taking a little bit of inspiration from a former format that we used to have on Smosh Pit called A Show With No Name. So I'm very personally excited about this,

but we basically, you know, I can really only speak for myself when sometimes we feel kind of lost on this podcast in terms of what the energy is going to be like what we want to talk about if you're getting Courtney are you getting serious Courtney you're silly having some of my boys Courtney so we're trying to give a more like a cool like just like a format so basically show with no name was a very beloved show that we would answer questions of the listeners or the viewers. And it was just like kind of a very fun discussion based show.

And we got to engage with our fans. And so now we get to do that. I think this is so much better because it's not being cut down to 10 minutes. Like we get to just really talk. That's right. Yeah. And so now it's, we're going to, everyone's going to have a better idea of what we're getting into every week. So I'm, I'm pumped.

And so today we've selected three of your questions and, um, we, we wanted to, to make it, um, a little more specific about a specific kind of topic so this so this round um we wanted to we want you guys to ask any questions related to the industry the industry of entertainment and and if you know if you had any questions for us whether it was advice or what our experiences were in the entertainment. And you guys asked some wonderful questions. So let's jump into the first of three questions. This question comes from Smosh Boy. So this person says, is the industry what you expected it to be? If not, in what way does it differ from what you thought it would be like?

Okay, so there's two different ways you can look at this. One for me is about the way the industry itself has evolved. Like the job of YouTuber or online personality or whatever didn't really exist when I tried to start acting back in the day. So that's a pretty obvious way it's changed for me and wasn't what I expected, but it evolved in a very good way. But I think more of a base level, you know, I used to do lots of like on-camera acting and audition and stuff like that. And when I was younger, I always thought there was a concept of like a big break. Like I always thought that once you booked a role, that's it. Like you're going to just keep on up and up and up and up and up. And like, that's what happens. You just constantly work. You just need one first. So it wasn't until after

I'd done like an indie movie and then like a couple of like more big budget movies with like bigger names and then had gotten a TV thing and then another TV thing that I looked around and I was like, huh, nothing's guaranteed. And the struggle is constant forever. I don't know. I definitely didn't expect it. It's a lifelong endeavor. So you got to really love it if you're going to keep doing that because otherwise it will break you. Damien and Shane, your entrances into the industry is similar.

Courtney and myself, we have kind of a different entry, a different entry different motivations for getting into it i mean for myself like i i didn't plan on being in this industry at all i just made some dumb videos and yeah you were straight up down to just work at chucky cheese forever dude i honestly i don't know i don't know what i would be doing and and i'm such a pushover that i probably would have just been like okay with advancing in the ranks of Chuck E. Cheese. It scares me to think what would have happened if YouTube just didn't exist and I was just working at Chuck E. Cheese. Because I was taking like general ed courses and community college,

which by the way, if you're not sure what you want to do and you want to go to college, try out community college. It's great. It's cheap. Yeah, I didn't know what you want to do and you want to go to college, try out community college. It's great. It's cheap. Yeah, I didn't know what I wanted to do. I mean, I enjoyed video games. I enjoyed movies. But I have a very practical view of things.

And I wouldn't really call myself a dreamer where I see this kind of lofty thing and I'm like, I can do it. I'm like, no, like let's look at the reality of the situation and the reality of like, oh, I like video games, but I don't see myself being like a video game creator. You know, I enjoy them and I think I know what makes a video game good, but I'm not going to go out there and be like, I'm going to make video games. Not that I'm saying that that's a bad thing to go after. I think that's great, but it never appealed to me. So I think my view of the industry was shaped as I was exposed to it. Living in Northern California, we had a certain animosity towards people in Southern California, which was really just the view of, of like Hollywood, which it was like, oh, it's like very like vapid people that are like image

obsessed and are just looking to climb on anybody to, to, you know, advance themselves. And I mean, to a degree it's true, but as I've been more exposed to it, the more it's I understand it a little better. It's like everybody here is struggling to continue to make it there. There's not a level that I think a lot of people ever reach where they're satisfied. Sorry, I just want to hop in. I really that definitely ties back to what I was sort of saying before is like, I know so many people who are so talented, whether I met them on jobs, or whether I knew them from school studying theater, too many people are really great at this. And it's not even a matter of like, not working hard enough. It's just like literally sometimes things just don't happen for you.

It's so oversaturated. Which is crazy. And so like you really do have to love what you're doing and be fine with working a restaurant job to support that. Because if you're banking on like fully being able to support yourself as an actor, like you can do it, but it's, it's difficult. And I thought I knew it would be difficult, but I was very surprised to see like very few of my friends, unless I met them on a job or with this, I've seen actually go and be able to do it. It's tough. It's like, it's literally like, if for anybody who hasn't seen La La Land, if you're interested in the film industry, fricking watch La La Land because it's,

it's a beautiful movie, but also like that first musical number. I remember, I think I went to a crappy theater because I didn't understand what the ensemble cast was singing. But when I listened to it on Spotify later, I was like, Oh my God,

this is like crazy. Cause it's like hundreds of people all talking about the same dream, all wanting the same thing. And then you're following this girl who it's like literally starting from nothing, just audition after audition. I was going to say, but even with La La Land, like I love the beginning because for that same reason where I was like, wow, it's everybody in their cars, like singing. And I'm like, this is barely even, you know, removed from reality because I bet that many people in traffic right then would really have those dreams. I think the one place where

it falls apart for me is they do have the moment of like, it's another misconception that you can see sometimes where it's just like, whatever your name is, whatever your name is, a big agent was at your one woman show. They want to fly you out to audition. And I was like, no, no, no one goes to one woman shows

unless they're sent the Facebook invite. And even then. And they're already a friend yeah sorry I mean for me no that's like dude yeah I think for me I was interested in film very early on like when I was learning to edit and then just every time I grabbed the family like video camera I just like filmed stuff I was more I was very interested in being a director of photography for years and then I finally like I was working at a pharmacy you remember and then when I got that internship as a PA I was observing set and like for me obviously I was like wow the

set is so beautiful it's like lights camera action you just watch the art and it's all happened so perfectly. And then when I went as a, because I don't count the high school stuff because that wasn't real. It was like four of us. I was the DP, but I was being treated as a PA. It sucked. But on set as a PA at that production company,

it was like a shit show. Everything was hours behind. There was no money. Producers are yelling at each other in front of talent, in front of like high profile producers and people. Like, well, I'm just running around grabbing water for people.

Like it's, it's a total, it's a total mess. And like, but you, everyone's doing it and they're all, we're all, you're all creating one project together.

I was on very small, intimate shoots, like inside a building building like for like a soldier boy music video and then we did yeah i had to like paint these girls to look like managin mannequins did you learn how to dougie that's it i'm sorry that's that's wrong wrong dance did you superman that hoe he did this song called. You guys could look it up if you want it. I'm okay. Yeah, you don't have to.

He says the same word 40 times. Guess what the word is. That is literally... Designer. That doesn't surprise me. Yeah. But then there was the bigger shoots where we did like a thing called

the Live Together fundraiser or something with AJ McLean from the Backstreet Boys. Oh, cool. Also forgot, Logan Paul was in the Designer video. I had to give him a broken nose of blood yeah that bigger one where I'm literally running across Disney Ranch to get the AD some Gatorade just sprinting meanwhile like producers are yelling at each other like I one of our producers she would like cry every week I was like oh my god is this what it like? I had no idea it was so emotionally exhausting. And it is sometimes.

Yeah, there's a lot of, and Shane, I want to hear from you. I just want to say, like, there's a lot of like abuse that's just excused in the work, like in the industry of like, well, you're a PA or like well you're an assistant like for somebody that doesn't know by the way dp pa does someone want to quickly oh yeah direct dp is dp is director of photography they basically create the the vibe the look the lighting and they think of the shots and stuff and then pa is production assistant who basically runs all the little intern like errands and, you know, handling extras sometimes.

But there's very much like this hierarchy. And some of these people at the top can be the hugest fucking assholes. It's almost in a way encouraged. And I think that's just because it was never called out before. I think nowadays it's being called out a little more. But I think, you know, my friend who ends up working a lot of commercials and stuff, like, has to deal with this kind of behavior all the time. And, you know, a lot of it's male-dominated as well. There's a certain level of sexism as well. Find a Michelin Tread Experts dealer near you at treadexperts.ca slash locations.

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And like I actually had a YouTube about it telling a story about how it happened. And like at the time, I didn't realize that it was sexual harassment that was happening to me. I think I have it unlisted now. So are private because I don't want to because it's about someone that's famous. I don't know. It's a lot. There was a guy. Yeah. Yeah. want to because it's it's about someone that's famous i don't know it's a lot there was a guy yeah yeah i know somebody that that also like she paid for like something some guy that was let's just say like was in one like kind of big movie was in this like indie and he was like he's

like let me guess your cup size like yeah no thank you all right so shane i mean you're you're the person that like i mean i think you have been the most i would say that you've been the most exposed to the industry like because you've seen you've seen both like traditional like you came up in like the traditional sort of like tv movie industry you came here when you were 16? It's crazy to think how long I've been going, but I did my first movie when I, I think I did it in 2003, 2004 in Arizona. My career started pretty rapidly because I did a play when I was like 11 or 12. And then by the time I was 13, I was already working on projects in Arizona. And I was able to like join the union and everything. And then when I was 14, I came out to LA for my first pilot season. So, it was very rapid fire. And when you're 14, you have this

idea of what it's all going to be. And I was telling myself, I remember back then knowing like, I'm like, I know that Hollywood's all about rejection and I'm going to be able to handle it. Like I'm going to, it's not gonna be a problem because you hear these, by the way, most stories that you hear about actors and their success stories, 90% of it's bullshit. Like, I'm sorry, but 90% of it I think is bullshit. You hear a lot about like, they were discovered here and this is how they made their career. It's like, no, this, what we say in LA is it's a 10 year overnight success. You'll like hear about their big break and, but they were doing tons of movies before.

Yeah. Or tons of, or just were acting for years and years and years before. So I came out thinking like rejection was going to happen where you're going to have people be like, you're never going to make it in this industry. But what really happens is you go in auditions, you do your absolute best and they go, thanks, see you later. And then you don't hear anything. So, you have no idea if you did good or not. So, you just start questioning yourself and then you become the rejection of Hollywood. Or you prepare for 48 hours for an audition the best you possibly can.

And then right when you start, they open up a fucking Tupperware. Yeah. You just start looking at their leftovers. Or you have an audition where the director's in the room and does not look up the entire time. And you're just like, oh, okay. And I remember in that audition thinking like, I could just flip off the director and he wouldn't know. I would just- Oh my gosh.

I think that was- So naughty. I think in that audition, neither of them were, I think there was no camera in the room and nobody was actually looking at me. So I was just acting in front of a bunch of people who weren't, I was like, there's no point for me to be here. But how many times do you go out in auditions

and you know they've already cast it? You literally out before like your manager agent be like oh yeah i hear they've already cast this role but they need to just finish out this round of auditions or not using it as like a bargaining chip like i've never been the bargaining chip before yeah so can you explain can you explain that like well it's sort of like if they if they have like a bigger name that they want involved in the project and they know they want the name, the name wants to be there too, but the name is asking for a lot, they will hold some auditions to be like, okay, well, we actually have three or four other people that would be perfect for this role.

And then they go, okay, I'll take less. And you're just the person being like, hi, what was that thing about me being perfect and way cheaper than that dude? Yeah. That's so weird i think my overall like the revelation was just that the industry is so much lamer than you would think i remember showing up to my first day of a set in arizona and this was a sag movie like this was a not big budget but this this was a big production. It wasn't a student

film of a movie. And it had some actors from Mad TV in it that I knew and I was big fans of. And so, I was like, oh, this is going to be awesome. I show up to my first day, I get there at 6am. There's no AC, it's in the middle of summer. So, it's just blazing hot. There's no trailer. We're just all like me and a bunch of other actors are just in this crappy room at this elementary school that's, you know, empty. And I sat there and I waited around from 6 a.m. till 6 p.m. And they never actually needed me that day. And that happens all the time.

Yep. I would say 90% of your work as an actor, not in YouTube, but in traditional media stuff, 90% of your job is just literally sitting around. And that happens still like on Goldberg's. I'll show up at 6 a.m. My call time will be 6 a.m.

There has been times where I'll show up at 6 a.m. and we don't start shooting a scene I'm in until like 3 p.m. Like that just happens. And you're just 3 p.m. Like that just happens. And you're just kind of like, yeah, that just happens. That's just the way it goes. Do you bring stuff to do? Oh, I always bring, it's the dumbest, like do not go to set without a book or without,

like we have iPhones now. What sucks is on set there is I don't have service in my trailer. No. So it's brutal. But yeah, it's just lamer and like sets are not glamorous and I know like people

say that. The best way I can describe a set is it feels it smells and looks like the inside of a Home Depot. That's really what it looks like. Like whether it was Disney or whether it's a network show or anything, it feels like the inside of a Home Depot. I remember that my trailer, when we shot Smosh the movie,

we just got a trailer. But it was like a 10 by 10 on the inside, like 10 feet by 10 feet, maybe max. And it seemed like it was built, this trailer was built in the 70s. It still had like the shag carpet. The star wagons. Yep, the star wagons.

Yeah, I was literally about to say star wagon. Yeah. And it just had this musk and it was summer. So it was like, I didn't really have any choice but to like stay in the trailer but i was like i feel like i'm inhaling mold and other microscopic organisms that probably will damage my health um i was very grateful to have a trailer because obviously not everybody gets that um but that's but it was just so funny because that was my first experience with

like whoa i'm getting a trailer cool and i'm like oh i mean no this is great but i was gonna say one thing i learned from i guess smosh specifically is every time you see a scene with food usually the food like it looks delicious and edible uh every time we film scenes it's usually like cold food that we should not eat for the most part unless it's a scene where we specifically need to be eating and the food is like like taylor will just put like beans and this other potato thing together and you're like yeah this is a side um this looks like a meal um and then dude the budgets on some of the music videos that i worked on like literally this company i don't know it was literally like fire fest but production company where like where was

the money they would like one time the budget was so low that the catering they first they had me try and call a ton of uh i was i was a second AD, just a glorified PA on this fricking production. But they had me try and call restaurants and ask them to give us food for free. What? Like restaurant after restaurant. That's how restaurants work. Yeah.

And then they're like, well, tell them it's like a music video for charity. So, and use the celebrity's name. That doesn't like make it sound better. I tried. Why would you use the celebrity's name? Which means that there doesn't like make it sound better i try why would you use the celebrity's name which means that there's more money attached to the project maybe i think it was just yeah exactly i think it was just them like thinking that they didn't have to deal with it so they were just like yeah we can try and finish it so they had to do it obviously couldn't but

when it came to the shoot day literally lunch was catered like like weak ass little like street tacos and rice yeah and literally there was barely enough like they wanted everyone to take like one or two maybe two street tacos like little guys and some rice and there were film people they're being like no i'm taking what i need to eat and like i think i think one of the important things like if if uh people listening if if you're ever gonna like create like a little indie film or like i think i think one of the important things like if if uh people listening if if you're ever gonna like create like a little indie film or something i think the most important thing is if you're not gonna be paying people for their work or not be able to pay them enough the most important thing is to feed them like don't don't order like a pizza and be like here you go like

no like make sure that they're, they're at least well fed. If they're going to put in the time and work for your project and, and you can't pay them, which is understandable because it costs a lot of money to make stuff. At least make sure that they're fed. And also inform them of what the set is going to be like. Yeah. Yeah.

I've, I've had it underplayed a lot and then showed up to film something for a friend for free and it ended up being a way crazier endeavor. Oh. Yes. I know. You guys have talked about that. That's all right. I legitimately did not sleep the whole weekend because I was bouncing back and forth between sets. I'd film one short film during the day and then go to the other one at night. And I was thinking I'd be able to get a little bit of sleep,

but the night shoot, which was supposed to end at like 6pm, went till 4am. Of course. And then I had to be at the other shoot by 7am. So that. But on the note of like the food on like onset when you see like food in a scene and it being cold and awful and not real. In scenes when you're filming, it's so much less glamorous than it looks when you see

it. Like what you're seeing is a show that's been edited and the lighting has been changed in the editing process and everything. A lot of times you're never doing a scene like you would do it on stage where it's two people and they're really engaged with each other. Most of the time I'm reacting. I'm doing it line by line and I'm often doing it to a piece of tape taped to a camera with a 50 year old sweaty dude right behind it, holding the boom mic. Like it's, it's way different.

Yeah. That was one of the hardest things for me by far. Cause I, you know, I would take acting classes and I came from a theater background and it was always very focused on like, you know really breaking down the scene bit by bit finding every little nugget of information you can about your character, living with that,

let yourself live with that in your home, just in the darkness, thinking about it, like doing all this work. And then auditions and filming are both so not that, that you have to find a way to translate all that actor stuff that you learned, try to keep the principles kind of, and then just throw it out the window.

Like auditions are literally like, they'll read principles kind of, and then just throw it out the window. Like auditions are literally like, they'll read a piece of paper and be like, all right, I'll read Mary across from you. How could you say that I'm leaving you? And then you have to like, you try to respond to that. Like, ah, I guess I'm gonna have a real connection with your nothing.

Oh my God. Meanwhile, you're also trying to like, you have a specific mark you have to stand on. And if you move an inch, you're out of focus. So you gotta be standing completely still. How you are, like where you're turned, like it all matters. So you're then trying to act genuine and real

while also controlling all of your movements and where you're looking. And also generally with like movies, they're not shooting in chronological order either so you might you might do you might do one scene where all this stuff has happened to you at this point to your character and you're going on to like page 58 which is like would be like an hour in the movie and then they're like okay let's move on to this scene and all of a sudden it's the intro to the movie yeah it's so crazy and it's like oh wait oh god where what am i doing what what am i what's my

character doing like what is that's what's crazy about sketch arts like doing sketch shows like what we do i feel like you kind of do throw a lot of your training out the window in a way because it's like okay i'm gonna be a mom for 30 minutes. And now I'm going to be a 16-year-old for 30 minutes. So it's very, you have to be like very versatile in that way of being able to like mentally step in and out of stuff. If it's a flat or a squeal, a wobble or peel, your tread's worn down or you need a new wheel. Wherever you go, you can get it from our tread experts. Until May 30th, purchase four new Michelin passenger or light truck tires and receive up to $70 by prepaid MasterCard.

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It's definitely weird though. Cause when I shot a Dear Lemon Lima forever ago, that was the first time I was like a big part in a movie and would be there for like a month. And my first day I had to shoot one of the like later on scenes of the movie of like a like so a bunch of stuff has led up to that point and it's weird watching the movie and you know the first half of the movie i'm like okay i'm proud of how i did here but that's because i'd been on set for two weeks when we shot the first scene of, the first scene of Dear Lemon Lima,

I believe was the final thing I shot on Dear Lemon Lima. So I'm most proud of the very first five minutes. And then there's parts in the third act where I'm like, oh yeah, I was rusty there because that was early on. That's the thing, like the focus is never put on performance. Like it is nobody's priority. They want to get something on camera,

but like all the things that you hear about inside the actor's studio of like, how did you get inside the character's mind? You're like, well, I spent three months in a cabin learning how to live. You're like, that's not a thing that happens unless you are Daniel Day-Lewis. You can do as much work as you can on your own,

but like even in voiceover, it's gotten better since the voice actors strike and sag, like a few years back, I won't bore you. Remember like I was the voice of teenage Master Chief in the animation of Halo, The Fall of Reach. I didn't know it was Halo until I get into the room and they were like, so Damien, do you like, do you know Halo?

And I'm like, yeah, I know Halo. And they're like great you're john teenage master chief this movie is about teenage master chief and i was like so like i feel like i did an okay job but it's that's terrifying three days to research so i could give some stuff subtext do some character work but like some but some voice actors don't even know what they did a voice for right isn't it that it like some are kept so confidential that- That's no longer legal. I thought it was still legal, wow.

Cause I remember you talk about that. You do have to be told it. It's only in the past couple of years that I like- Is that why all the Elder Scrolls games are so poorly voiced? Or is that just cause they pulled a programmer out from and just shoved a mic in their face? All right, Greg, you're doing it all.

I think Skyrim has great voice actors. I think we should have Greg from IT. Why do you think I should do it? Should we move on to the next question? Yeah, we got really caught up in that. I feel like we could do more. It's all your fault, Courtney. Why would you do that?

The industry is not as cool as you think it is. That's the lesson. But we're happy to be here. Don't get me wrong. We're very happy to be here. It's just a job. It's literally just a job. And in a lot of ways it's all about saving as much money as possible because this shit's expensive.

And it don't last. You're always on a timer. I got two more years of being beautiful. And then I's, I'm done. So this next question comes from just surgeden. I don't know how to say it. I don't think that's the name. This person asks, does it ever become difficult

trying to come up with ideas for different channels? Also, when trying new content, are there times where you hesitate putting it out because you don't know how it'll be received i mean we've gone through a lot of different ways of sourcing ideas and coming up with ideas um throughout the years uh and they all come they all come with their pros and cons like i think when because we a lot of times we do do like a brainstorming session where we all pitch our ideas and then we all kind of like pitch in what we think about the other person's ideas.

And what happens is like in those situations, what you do get is you get a lot of immediate feedback. You get everyone's ideas. So you don't have any sort of blind spots to the content. The downside of that is it becomes content by committee which is not necessarily a bad thing but it it it suffers a lack of specific perspective a lot of our best ideas sometimes have come from those big rooms though like like when the the second i just remember the moment sarah said spelling bee kini wax that's all she said everyone was like oh my god like straight up um what we were able you're able to like get a feel in the room though that was the era where we're like what do we want to make like because I feel like defy had times

where they're like let's make content that is shoppable for brands so when they had the era of one hour sewing machine woe nature show and smosh lab they wanted you know they were like oh well it was just hitting different types of shows yeah it would be it would be like brands can pick where they want to put their stuff yeah they were creating content verticals yeah and granted like it was a cool experience like those are the most polished high production value looking shows we've made to date, but it didn't end up working. And at the end of the day,

a lot of us were exhausted and it wasn't like worth it. Emotionally lately, like when Shane came up with face jam, which later became eat it or eat it. It was an idea that it was so different from what it is now, but everybody could see that there was like potential in this idea that Shane had. And I remember days and days of people just sitting in a room trying to work the rules and how it would how it would work in the video how it would come together. And I remember I opted out

from eating foods very early in that process. But eventually it became something that we liked. And then even the first episode is pretty different from the final like the most recent one because we're fine tuning and polishing like how I host it because like i didn't even really understand that i was going to be hosting the show until we're doing things like oh damn okay cool shane thoughts or damien thoughts um i've always had a little bit of difficulty coming up with uh content to pitch to be honest with you because i think i always sort of come into things a little bit late. Like when I joined Smosh Games,

I was like the last person to do that back in the Defy days. And so I was like, I've got all these ideas. Like, what if we do this? And they're like, well, that's actually similar to a show we've already done. I'm like, okay, great. How about this? Yeah, we did it last week.

Okay, cool. Then what about we do the show that I already know exists, but we try this game? Well, we've tried a game like that before. It didn't really work out well. Yeah. It can feel defeating in a way. A little bit, but it's defeating, but it's also just more like sobering. It's like, you know, other people have had good ideas before and they came before you. So it's, it's a matter of like having to sort of translate what is needed and what is not. And I find that when, when I come up with ideas, sometimes I'm just

focused on like, this would be fun, right? But I'm not very good at asking the question like, why would someone watch this? Or what's the difference? And why does it matter? So like, I find that if I do come up with like a show concept, it's usually workshopped and very much changed by other people throughout the process, which is, which is a necessary thing. And that happens to everybody. But like, I find that sometimes I'm like,

ah, by the end of it, I don't, I don't think I really did that much. Like, yeah, totally. It's,

it's hard to let go of a baby, right? Yeah. Where, where you have, you have this sort of solidified vision of what you think the show should be. And then other people come in and say, no, I think it'll be better this way. It is really hard to let go of it.

Even if you allow yourself to acknowledge that, okay, maybe that idea is better. It's still hard because it's so personal. Yeah. Something that you thought of. So I think it takes a lot to be able to be willing to let other people enter into the process and futz around with it. It's a thing that has to be learned. It's a new type of teamwork that I hadn't experienced before. And I think because it was a little bit humbling, not in a bad way, I think I'm less outward with my ideas now because I'm really like, I want to make sure this one

counts. I want to make sure this one is actually good to bring to the forefront and not just me being like, I don't know, what if we do this? And Shane, I feel like so many of your ideas, a lot of like sketch ideas that you've like brought forth, they always have like, it's always like this really hilarious premise. And you're like, you're always so excited by it. And then we're like, okay, go make a sketch. And then I feel like it always gets to like page three. And then it's like, ah, I don't know. That sounds like me.

I think that used to be more so the issue. But I mean, like at this point, I've written and done a couple sketches. Kids on bikes, peanut butter. Yeah. I mean, when it strikes, when it strikes, it strikes. And when it, it'll often like I'll have an idea, but then writing out an entire sketch and getting that third beat can be tough. The problem is it's hard for me to write when I'm not super passionate. And that's something that like, writers are better at,

like Monica, Infinity and Kurt are better at writing as like a job. Like they won't be inspired, but they'll be like, yeah, but I'll finish this script because that's my job. And I'm not good at that. If I'm not super stoked and laughing at what i'm writing i kind of just stop like i need that and that's that's just because i'm such a like impulsive writer and i'm i'm writing like i'm performing you know as opposed to writing like a writer because yeah because if you if you get like this idea you'll and and you're passionate about it you bang out a whole script in a matter of like a few hours and it's something that you can't really pull yourself away from until you're passionate about it. You bang out a whole script in a matter of like a few hours and it's something that you can't really pull yourself away from until you're done with it.

Right. Yeah. Kids on bikes. I wrote in like four hours, you know, and, and like, uh,

we had a few during the shutdown, uh, obviously Damien and I wrote, uh, that peanut butter sketch. And then, uh, there was one.

Yeah. Yes. And then there was, uh, wish a dream. Sorry. There was the Mandela effect to the butterfly effect one or Mandela effect one that I wrote that I just wrote in like're gonna try something where you kind of have a lot of these like small like kind of like one joke ideas and and pretty soon we might be trying to

find a way to shoot those where we don't need a whole sketch it's it's just based solely off around like one sort of joke that's something i pitched a year ago i did it yeah i mean yeah i mean the issue is like because of the way that youtube is it's like they don't like you can't really benefit from like a one joke video or like a short sketch what if the benefit is a child's laughter indeed but now we have the benefit of other platforms and certain platforms are shorter than other or maybe we have other formats where you can fit in small

small sketches oh now I get so yeah what are you saying we're just gonna go shoot some tiktoks I don't know I don't know but I think it's great I think Um, yeah. Sorry. That's what are you saying? We're just going to go shoot, shoot some tech talks. I don't know. I don't know.

But, uh, but I think it's, I think it's great. I think everyone kind of has a different process with the way that we, we go through ideas and yeah, there's no, there's no one way that we all come up with ideas and deal with ideas. I think some of them are, are more personal and we work them out ourselves. And some of them are brought to committee like Shane's face jam, which then became eat it or yeet it, which like involved like sometimes like our ideas and we're all pitching ideas and then pitching alterations of ideas. It could get like kind of heated because some people are like, wait, wait, no, let me do that thing. No, but what if we did this? Yeah, we get excited.

We do. And it's like, and some feelings get hurt. But at the end of the day, what we have to remind ourselves of is like, well, the reason why we're getting so heated about this is because we're all passionate about it. Like we're all excited to do this thing and we all care about it. And all we want is to make the best possible thing we can but what if what do you do when you are the smartest person with the best ideas and your way is the right way oh so you're talking about people aren't listening to you yeah man i'm asking

what do you do when you are the smartest there's a lot of ego checking in the entire creative process like because you know, like I, I remember very early on when I pitched every vine ever and I like kind of put in tropes and then like the script is made. And then like, I remember on set one day I like walked in on a scene cause I was upset that it wasn't the way it's supposed to be. And the director did not like that with reason. And like, I was like, but it's not. like i it took me a long time at this

job to let go of that and like i wouldn't have been able to let go of that if i was didn't have like this team that was like hey this is how we are going to work together like because on pit i wasn't able to pitch an idea on pit for years or or like i mean sketch we kind of was a little more collaborative but pit was like very much already handled by yeah a solid team so i think what's nice is we have so many different uh channels and shows that there's different areas where we can kind of get more control i mean uh you know it comes to sketch obviously it's always a team effort uh you'll pitch something but then by the time it's done it's not nothing no sketch on on may on the smosh channel is any one person's sketch it's always a team of people who came up with jokes and everything within it but what's nice

is like with try not to laugh that is us just like on your own, like doing a thing. And so, so a lot of times if I have really insane jokes, I'm like, well, I'll do it there. Like that's, that's where I, cause also I can fail. Like it's not as big of a deal, but I will say it's tough. It's tough. Cause we have to keep coming up with so many ideas. It is tough too. Cause I feel like sometimes there's like this fatigue in a way. I feel like I used to have way more try not to laugh ideas. And I used to like go in and be like,

I don't even need an idea. I'm going to look at a prop and be like, oh, I know what to do with this. Ah, I'm going to be crazy. And like now sometimes I'll just be backstage and I'll just see like a baseball bat and I'll be like, I get, I'm baseball man. No.

What's wrong with that? What's wrong, I'm baseball man. No. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with I'm baseball man? I mean Ian's a big fan of going in. You're already baseball man. Ian's a big fan of just diving in with nothing written down. Nothing. And see me, I'll be up the night before working on jokes.

Well with Gus, you have to be right? Oh yeah, that I had planned for like months. We got to treat every person in the studio like this. Sassy Leg. Gus Johnson. Sassy Leg General. I had that written out. That was a monologue that I had written out in my phone. And you bet I was practicing that shit in the mirror the night before.

Sassy Leg? Sassy Leg General. I was really practicing it. Sassy Legassy Leg? Sassy Leg General. I was really practicing it. Sassy Leg Infantry? Sassy Leg Infantry. I'm sorry, because if a promotion happened, I want it to be acknowledged on video. Well, he is the Sassy Leg General.

The leader of the Sassy Leg Infantry. How did I not know this? But I do that because it's tough, man. In the moment, it gets- Obviously paid off. Totally. But with how many we have to do and we often shoot more than one try not to laugh in a day so that means that's a bunch of jokes

that you got to come up with and that's tough i can't knock you in because like almost all of my best jokes have come from no plans off the cuff stuff like boneless wasn't even what it was supposed to be that monologue was just supposed to get into the main bit which was like my recording of the radio and we literally i was just like i don't know he'll say some random stuff what's random stuff okay what's his name boneless steve no let's just go with boneless like whatever and then it like it never goes the way you planned it sometimes it it goes worse. Sometimes it goes better. I think in a way we're like victims of our own success with the show a little bit because I think we're afraid to fail now.

You know what I mean? It's okay to not make someone laugh, but now we laugh at each other so much that when it doesn't happen, it feels like, uh-oh. This one comes from Billy Tinson. What is the process of directing a sketch for a big YouTube channel? Are more Smosh members wanting to direct sketches?

I think the quick answer to this is that we always throw out the opportunity to direct a sketch. It obviously takes more effort because you got to figure out what the shots are going to be and be responsible and and have a vision. Yeah, I mean, I just had my meeting a couple hours ago with Brennan and had to we went through scene by scene on a sketch that I was asked if I was excited about it. I said, yes. I said, do you want to direct? I said, yes. And then we went through the whole script of what the shots were. And if I have like, Ooh, I think it'd be really cool to have this one shot looking up at this person. Then we all, we write it down. I actually just got a binder for myself because I want to be a little more like have everything out in front of me. Yeah. It's, it's a lot of like figuring out how to do a joke in a short amount of time in a way that doesn't require a lot of reset it's not too messy not too expensive and doesn't uh make anyone

uncomfortable so yeah i mean because we used to not give a shit about whether it was messy or not like we've had some messy scenes i mean pretty early, I had to jump into a pool of water and get like fake blood splattered on me. And that was also my first Smosh sketch. I think where Olivia was in that box of blood. Oh, that was a box of blood. I was sexual son. Yeah.

I also had a ton of fake blood and giant gummy worms as a zombie. While also like, I think we kissed me and Keith kissed with fake blood. giant gummy worms as a zombie while also like i think we kissed me and keith kissed with fake blood all like yeah we used to get real crazy it got now his mess can't really happen because they're trying to be extra safe and also we just can't have blood on videos youtube is very true about that now yeah which is okay like we didn't we did enough people getting shot jokes for the first eight years to last us three lifetimes more and more cast members are going to be directing in the

future like we've had a couple do it like a lot of us were co-directing kind of in a way for the for a few years and now there this has been a great year for everybody's really been able to like just direct and get like just getting the experience like even i mean i think olivia recently talked about how she's down to direct a sketch soon she like kind of helped co-direct how to not piss off asian people and how to not piss off women yeah boy all right and shane i don't give a shit what you think about that one fuck yeah he's directing hey shane sh doing? I am directing for the first time. I don't care.

No one cares. You directed for the first time, so okay. It doesn't matter what you think. That was like not, we're shooting it on film and we're using only drones. Hell yeah. Yeah, drones with film. Drones holding iPhones with film attached.

The real is just. It's gonna be on VHS. You're going to have to pick it up from Blockbuster. So guys, we're going to try a brand new segment right now. Are you guys flipping ready for this? I'm sweating. This is, for now we'll just call it, these are my obsessions.

These are my obsessions. I want to sing that Usher song. Every person is going to get one minute to rant about something that they're obsessed with right now. What's on your mind? What are you obsessed about? Courtney, let's just start with you

and your time starts now. Okay, guys, I am obsessed with ramen. It's just the perfect combination of pasta and soup. And I've been really working to perfect my craft on making ramen. It's just the perfect combination of pasta and soup. And I've been really working to perfect my craft on making ramen. I even tried to make my own broth the other day, starting with the chicken broth, putting some sauce in and I'm playing with putting some foods in there. I'm actually to a point where I like my own ramen more than the ramen I used to buy literally sometimes twice a day from a ramen place. Uh, and it's just so

delicious when it's spicy and salty and you get all the nutrition of whatever vegetables you want in it. And I love food. That's fun to eat. You know, chopsticks are fricking great because the way you eat is so much nicer than a metal fork clanking around in your teeth in your mouth and it's just like sushi you get to just nibble little bites it's so cute and the thing about freaking ramen is you get to pick out the bits and stuff and eat it and i love and your time just one question do you slurp um yes oh Oh, good, good. Isn't that polite? Isn't that like the polite thing to do? Yeah, that's the traditional way.

It's a way of showing appreciation for the ramen. Right? Right, Kevin? It just sounds like it's good. He said yes. Yes. Okay. Shane, would you like to go next?

Good, you're starting now. Yes. Okay. My obsession right now, as mainly, definitely today, but just for a while, is Megan Thee Stallion. Dude, badass. Yes, I agree. So good. I agree. I've been listening to her music when I work out

and I feel so good. Me too. Dude, bro. Courtney, this is not your turn. Okay. Not your turn, Courtney. Come on, I shut up about ramen so hold on I'm pausing I'm sorry I'm sorry I yield my time I yield my time you didn't have time

to begin with you already used it you can't yield time that you never had reverse yield Shay time sorry Shay I stopped you at 22 seconds you may now resume okay no Megan the Stallion likes anime come on that's so badass when she did a magazine there was a couple years ago she did a magazine cover and she dressed up

as a my hero academia character for the for the cover so badass and her songs are all insanely good like i've listened to all the albums they're all good. She's a badass, bro. Megan Thee Stallion! Yes! He just ran to his kitchen and screamed, yell, Megan Thee Stallion in front of his mirror. I couldn't be this close to the microphone. Your time. On, okay. But I like't be this close to the microphone. Your time. Okay.

Your time is up. Time's up. It's really funny watching Damien's reaction when you mentioned that Megan Thee Stallion watches anime. I already knew that. I'm listening. Okay, that was great. Damien, are you ready?

And go. Give me a countdown. I already, I'm already going. Three, two, one, go. Speaking of anime, I just finished an awesome one that I've been sleeping on for years. It's called Hunter Hunter. There's an X in the middle,

but you don't pronounce the X unless you want to let everybody to know that you don't know what you're talking about. So it's about a little boy who wants to become a hunter. And hunter is something in this world where you get a license to basically do whatever. You can be a treasure hunter. You can go explore distant lands. You can get into whatever country

you want. And that's so it's very, you know, coveted, but it's very hard to become. And he wants to be this so we can find his dad who is like one of the best hunters of all time. It's a great, great show because every season is completely different in terms of tone. And for some reason, you just like it more and more. Season four, nothing like season two, but you still love that it's part of the same show. It takes a while before it gets serious, but it's mostly like, what if that like happy-go-lucky anime boy was in a very dark and serious world?

And the kind of themes that they deal with, I've never seen a show that keeps me guessing so much. It could be leading up to a huge fight for like 30 episodes and that fight ends in a negotiation. It could be leading up to a huge fight for like 30 episodes. And that fight ends in a negotiation. It's like, Oh, time, time, time. Well done. Well done.

All right, Ian, you want me to time you? Sure. You can't time yourself. That's biased. I just want to say that, that we're all, we're all, all of our things are related to, to Japan. This, this round. Ian likes Ghost of Tsushima.

So, Jessica. Ready and begin. Okay. So, yesterday or maybe the day before, I lost track of time, I came across this Twitter profile that shows all these random Japanese mascots. Now, if you don't know this, Japan is obsessed with mascots. They have a mascot for literally fucking everything.

They did this, they have this weird like Renaissance art opening and they made a mascot based off of this one fish with human legs that's in the background of this one Renaissance painting. And it is, and they made a mascot out of it, of a fish with a legs that's in the background of this one renaissance painting and it is and they made a mascot out of it of a fish with a fish in its mouth and hairy human legs on it my favorite mascot that i came across is this mascot i think its name is chitan and it is a an otter that wears a turtle for a hat and it's almost like jackass where he runs around and does all this crazy shit.

He's like running on treadmills, like running into like boxes. He's like hurting himself a lot. And jumping on. And that's time. It's a person in a suit by the way. It's. Wow.

Yeah. Wow. If people don't know what mascots are, I don't know. There's a weird, there's like a weird thing with mascots there man I love the idea of someone going their whole life and not realizing it and just being like what's in there how does he get that big

as an otter you don't see those in the wild so where do they get those this one seems to know language he has handlers that are telling him what is, does he still shatter giant scallops on his tummy with a rock? Is that what the otter does?

So that was our obsessions. All right, now on to the best part of the whole podcast. In my honest opinion, I am a joke. Shoot dude. Shoot dude. a joke. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude.

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So welcome back to Shoot, Dude. It's a series where you guys submitted really cringy things that happened to you and we go shoot dude yeah it's like embarrassing stories uh like scary stories nothing like too traumatic we don't want to be triggering people on this podcast but you know the silly stuff that you guys encounter and then we judge whether it is a shoot dude or not a shoot dude is there something you'd like to say what's up shane i would just like to say i feel like from our readings the perfect shoot dudes are when someone gets themselves into a difficult situation where where they where they appear more guilty than they actually are

uh it's it's basically a seinfeld kirby enthusiasm situation yes yes but be warned because historically i will call you out and tell you that i think you made it up true so let's jump into it this shoot dude comes from alana al says, I work at a restaurant. She's not here. I'm reading a story she wrote to me prior. She's not listening. Alana said, I work at a restaurant

and was clearing some dirty plates from a table and I accidentally dropped a butter knife. It bounced on the ground and then slid about seven feet on the floor before it gently came to a rest next to a gentleman's foot. I rushed over to him and his lady friend, they were a couple maybe in their late thirties, and apologized. I made a joke and said, I'm so sorry, sir. I didn't mean to accidentally stab you. The couple was pretty good natured about it. We had a good laugh and then I

offered to bring them another round of drinks while I was in the area. My grave mistake. I went about my business and did not think about them again until three hours later when they wanted to close out their check. The gentleman told his server that that one waitress said she would comp us a round of drinks because she tried to stab me. We all thought that he was joking at first, but he continued to insist that I had, and I cannot stress enough that these were his exact words, tried to stab him, and that I had promised him a free round of drinks as an apology for my unsuccessful attempt at stabbing him.

What? Yep, he demanded to speak to the manager and eventually the owner owner who ended up just comping the drinks so that he wouldn't pursue legal action for my murder attempt this couple had stayed at the restaurant for over three hours and only ordered two rounds of cheap wine and got one of those rounds for free i know i should be at least a little sorry but i make the same stabbing joke every time I drop silverware near a guest and it always kills.

I'm more sorry that this guy can't hang, but I have learned a valuable lesson in comedy. Make sure you know your audience. Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude. That's a shoot, dude. I feel like this guy is very bad

at blackmailing because because he had established and they were no no no the customer right

the customer customer who was saying that yeah he was saying that she tried to stab him so he had the obviously the owners the managers probably didn't believe him,

but they were playing along like, okay, sir, we're taking this seriously that you were nearly murdered. What are you asking for, for compensation for being nearly murdered? He doesn't ask for both rounds to be compensated. Just one round to be compensated.

He's a reasonable fellow. He's a very reasonable asshole. I would call this a low-functioning Karen. I can't stand stuff like that. I think, I don't like the customer is always right. I don't like that policy at all. I didn't like it when I worked retail

and customer service and I don't like it now that I'm on the other side of things. I think that's gone out with the boomers. Like, I think millennials and Gen Z agrees that the customer is not always right and you're a douchebag of things i think that's gone out with the boomers like i think i think millennials and and gen z agrees that the customer is not always right in your douchebag if you believe that i think like like to i mean maybe maybe it's just because we're decent people so we do that but like you know when

a whenever a person's at the ocean like hi i'm so sorry it's so crazy right now like how can i help you like oh dude it's all good you don't have to be sorry for anything i think our gender i think our generation and definitely uh uh generation z now like it's it's looked down upon to be shitty to uh retail and and customer service a little bit more because i remember even when i was younger it was almost kind of like it wasn't looked down upon as much to be a jerk to customer service. It just wasn't seen that way. Whereas now we're starting to establish like, hey, that's really crappy. And I think that's who you are. How you treat waiters is who you are. 100%.

I think it's also related to like barter culture as well, where like millennials and I think probably the same extent Gen Z, we don't want to barter. Like we just want to get what we paid for and we don't want to have to haggle over it. Whereas the older generation, that was a part of doing business. Like, oh, you want to buy that car? Well, then you need to barter for it. And it's like, what? No, just pay the price.

It's what the price says on there. Sorry, we just need to get rid of like allowing people to get away with stuff like that. Like anytime, unless it's really a problem, like a real problem has taken place. I think it should be policy of like managers, owners of things. Like just tell a customer like, oh no, get out. Yeah. You weren't almost stabbed. You're being a colossal baby.

It was a butter knife and it landed near you. You're going to have to leave. Don't come back. When I went to go get these glasses, I was in the doctor's office waiting to get my appointment and these two people walk up and they're wearing masks luckily but like when i came in they needed to take my picture for my profile because it was like it was also more sanitary than taking your id and things like that and also it's like more up to date than your old ID photo or something. And so I did that, sat down.

And then this guy's like, um, you want my picture? That's like, why, why do you need that? You don't, I don't need to give you that. That's you're creepy. You're creepy for wanting to do that. And she was like, okay, well, like we need something. And he like eventually gave in and they're like, okay, now you need to sign this to acknowledge your HIPAA um uh like you know basically this law that protects

your personal information from being for the like obviously the doctor's office is not going to like tweet out your medical conditions or your personal information HIPAA like I learned that working in the pharmacy it protects you and she's like you need to sign that you acknowledge us he was like uh you didn't provide me with anything and she's like okay i can get you the paperwork he's like uh no i i deny acknowledgement of that rule like not even knowing what he was talking about um i deny acknowledgement of that rule the doctors will these people look at people's buttholes like and you refuse to give them a photo of you or a signature. Like, dude.

It's in my freedom. People think they're a lot more important than they are. That's the problem. That's really the problem. And then it's a place of feeling no power in your own life. So the second there's a dynamic that puts you a little bit above someone else, you're like, yep, I would like the only finest pen to sign. But I think what we can all say is

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