So... Alright - Hot Dog!

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Geoff dives into the fascinating and sodium filled world of hot dogs! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And I can't remember which it was, but it was some sort of a little concrete stand in a field somewhere. And I remember helping put the hot dogs and the little heat wrappers and being just like really fucking jazzed to be doing it. Maybe I was eight, I don't know. Maybe it began there.

What is your earliest hot dog memory? I never thought about it that way. I don't know that that is my earliest hot dog memory, but it's just, it might way. I don't know that that is my earliest hot dog memory, but it might be, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure I had a richer history with hot dogs than that, but yeah, maybe like eight or nine. I just like, if you can, can you specifically sit down and remember the first time you had a hot dog in your life?

You could ask that question about most things and the answer is gonna be no. There's gonna be an occasional like, oh, I remember the first time I had Dr. Pepper or the first time I had a jalapeno. But first time you had a hot dog, first time you had a hamburger, first time you had chicken parmesan,

first time you ate soup, like most stuff's not gonna stick with you, right? So I would wager most people don't remember their first hot dog unless it came much later in life, which I guess happens. Is there. Are there. Are there any of you out there that have never had a hot dog? Are you an adult human being? Who has arrived at adulthood.

Like by by living, by being alert and awake and not in a coma, like you went in a coma at nine and you woke up at 19 and you haven't had a hot talk, but like you've lived a full life and you're an adult. If could you email me my email address is Eric at Jeff's boss dot com. I would love to find out why, and I'd love to hear the circumstances of your non-hot dog life. Maybe not, you don't have to tell me

if you don't like hot dogs or you tried one and it wasn't for you. I get that, but if you've just like, the occasion to eat a hot dog has never come up, never presented itself to you. Or maybe you get offered hot dogs all the time and there's something about them that even though you've never tried one. And you're not like, you know, it's not like a vegetarian

thing, although there are vegetarian hot dogs, you know, but it's not like that kind of thing. It's not like some sort of a moral or ethical obligation to a hot dog. It's just that you look at it and you go, no, I just don't want to put that in my mouth. Like there's some people that had that had adults, you know, never tried alcohol. There are. Hell, I guess people like me, I've only had once, not even a full cigarette in my

entire life, just never appealed to me. So I wonder, are there people that that just hot dogs never appeal to and you never gave one even the benefit of the doubt? You were just like, no, I don't need to. Oh, I don't know if the mic picked that up, but how awesome would that be? I've been wondering if this would happen. You know, got the new puppy Albert. He's he's well, he's not so new anymore.

But he's about nine months old now. And the dog loves squeaky toys, but he's never shown any interest in them when I'm in here working. But the last couple days over the weekend, I was setting up some audio equipment and video equipment. Well, I'm just setting up some equipment because we're gonna record some extra stuff this week that's different than our usual setup.

And he started squeaking in a way that made me think that we might be on the precipice of him squeaking in content, which would be such a wonderful homage to Henry, our dearly departed Bulldog Rest In Peace, who was a big part of the Fuckface podcast. He squeaked many episodes to comedic effect in that podcast. He squeaked. He squeaked many episodes to comedic effect in that in that in that podcast. And obviously there's no recreating Henry or or his comedic timing. But it would be interesting if Albert started squeaking on camera camera.

I can't stop calling a microphone a camera and a camera a microphone. I can't fucking the two are so interlocked. I just I can't fucking, the two are so interlocked, I just, I can't be correct. I get it, like every time I'm faced with that opportunity of going left or right with the answer, I always take the wrong choice. I don't fucking get it. So I'll admit to having one incredibly dumb question.

I've assumed my entire life that hot dogs are sausages, but I don't really know. I never, you know, they look very different. A sausage casing is very different from whatever the hot dog casing is, which is part of the hot dog. You know, and and so I looked it up and all hot dogs are cured and cooked sausages just in case there's any ambiguity, just in case there's any kind of and I'm not saying there is. But if there's a, you know, is a hot dog a sandwich type controversy? They are sausages. End of story.

But put that one to bed. That question that nobody else on Earth had but me. So let's talk a little bit about the history of the hot dog. I guess the we could go. It starts really in Germany, right? Although if we're talking about sausages, so now a hot dog. The word Frankfurter comes from Frankfurt, Germany, obviously, where pork sausages that are similar to hot dogs supposedly originated. I don't know why, so it's supposedly there. I think it's pretty clear that they did.

They were called Frankfurter Worstchen, and they had been around since the 13th century. Although I read that sausages are thought to have actually originated, like the sausage itself, in Mesopotamia over 5,000 years ago, which would be like 3,100 BCE. So, like back in like the pyramid times and shit, they were having sausages in Mesopotamia, which makes sense.

You know, why would it take humanity that long to figure out stuff in this kind of meat, this part of the animal inside of this part of the animal and cooking it? You know, we were stuffing stuff like the first the first. What do you what do you think? Five thousand years of humanity of independent thought must have just been sticking our dicks in the things that we find and putting everything else that we find in our mouth to see if it'll kill us.

And then if it does kill, like Craig, you go, okay, let's cook it this time, put it in the fire first. And then you try and they go, oh, it killed Steve. Okay, leave that one alone, let's cook it this time. Put in the fire first. And then you try to go, it killed Steve. OK, leave that one alone. But what about that? And you just go through until you have ripped off enough dicks and poisoned enough people that you navigate your way to a society. But I guess the the idea of the modern hot dog,

we're talking around Frankfurt, Germany. There's this history that goes back to the 13th century. It's all about. Well, I was going to say we don't need to read it, but there is one kind of funny thing. Wiener, the word wiener, which I think we all associate with hot dogs and wieners. I guess I associate it more with a penis than a hot dog. It refers to a homemade mixture of pork and beef from Vienna, Austria. Nowadays, in German speaking countries, except Austria, hot dog sausages are

called wieners or wienerwürschen. I guess over there, they're still called Frankfurt or Wurschen in Vienna. Interesting. I don't know if I understand any of that. I just read in Swiss German, it's called Wienerli. Man, words are funny. It is not definitively known who started the practice of serving the sausage on the bun. That is pretty contested. Although I think it happened probably in America.

One of the strongest claims comes from Harry M. Stevens. That's a fucking American name right there. Harry Stevens, who was a food concessionaire. Apparently they claim that he, while working the Polo, the New York Polo grounds in 1901, which was like a pretty hot spot, he came upon the idea of using small French rolls to hold sausages when they,

they usually I guess used wax paper, but they ran out. So he's like, fucking, I don't want people's hands to get dirty or greasy, just put it on, put it on the, you know, used wax paper, but they ran out. So he's like, fuck it, I don't want people's hands to get dirty or greasy. Just put it on, put it on the, you know, the bread will soak it up. Though an American immigrant named Fuckwanger, I'm so sorry to the people of Germany, for how I mispronounced some of these.

A German immigrant named Fuckwanger, or Fuchwanger, I like Fuckwanger or Fukewanger, I like Fuckwanger, from Frankfurt allegedly pioneered the practice in the American Midwest. There are several versions of the story of varying details. According to one account, Fuckwanger's wife proposed that he use a bun in 1880. Fuckwanger sold hot dogs on the streets of St. Louis and provided gloves so his customers could handle

the sausages without burning their hands. Jesus, that's a lot of effort to put into selling a fucking hot dog. Losing money, yeah, when customers did not return the gloves, I read in, it doesn't say it here, but I read somewhere else that they considered the gloves. It wasn't that people were just thievy bastards, although I'm sure they were.

It was also that they just thought they were souvenirs. They were like, bastards, although I'm sure they were. It was also that they just thought they were souvenirs. They're like, oh, yeah, I'll keep this. It's a cute souvenir. At that time, they ate that weird hand food, you know. So his wife was like, we're we're fucking we're losing our house in gloves. We got to come up with something different. And together, I guess they came up or his wife suggested actually, I don't want to give him credit.

His wife suggested to serve sausages in in a role instead. And there you go. Inspiration. Another version has Fuckwanger. Another version has Fuckwanger in St. Louis at the 1893 World's. What? That wasn't there in another version. Fuckwanger served sausages in rolls at the World's Fair,

either in the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis or earlier in the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago. I wonder. So I'm assuming most people here are familiar with that very popular book in the early 2000s, Devil in the White City. I think they probably made a TV show about it. They made a movie about the subject of it, H.H. Holmes. Anyway, it said it was this like by this guy, Eric Larsen,

not the comic book writer, Eric Larsen, who wrote Savage Dragon, but a novelist or I guess pseudo novelist Eric Larsen. I don't say that to be mean, but he writes like historical fiction. I is a historical, but a novelist, or I guess pseudo novelist, Eric Larson. I don't say that to be mean, but he writes like historical fiction. Is a historical fiction a novel? I assume so. A novelist named Eric Larson, I believe is his name, and he's written a bunch of stuff in this vein.

Like he did one about the Night of the Long Knives that I have been meaning to read, and he wrote a book about Tesla that I honestly, I tried to, I just couldn't get interested in. But he wrote a book called Devil in the White City, which was all about the Chicago World's Fair in 1893, which was one of the most ambitious things that had ever been undertaken. And it was this insane feat. And so much of America was kind of tested out and born not only at that World's Fair, but in the lead up to it as they tried to pull it off.

There were so many amazing luminaries that came out of that Burnham and Root. Frederick Law Olmsted, who was like the godfather of landscape architecture in America. So a lot of really interesting and wild stuff happened in that World's Fair. But we're not talking about that. The point I was making, I got off on a tangent here, getting a little excited about that World's Fair.

Also, the other side of that story was that there was the first Western serial killer, H.H. Holmes in 1893, who are the first famous Western serial killer because I think Austin actually had a serial killer two years earlier the servant girl Annihilator in 1891, which is something I've thought about doing a soul ride on and maybe I will at some point It's just not a shit ton of information about those killings. However, HH Holmes was like the first popularized American serial killer he had this home that he built as kind of like a bed and breakfast, and he would let workers and people from around the world that were coming in to work on the

World's Fair, they would stay in his house. And then he had it constructed in this way that it was like a torture chamber. And once you went in, you never escaped. And he could hide bodies and incinerate people. And he killed a but anyway, he killed a bunch of people. That's what the book was about. Historical fiction about it was fascinating. Point I was trying to make there is that

it must have fucking sucked to be the Louisiana Purchase Exposition just 11 years later in St. Louis because who the fuck remembers that one? I certainly don't. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna make a promise to myself that at some point in the future I'm gonna dive into the Louisiana Purchase exposition and find out all the important shit that inevitably must have happened there because so much important stuff happened in the

1893 Chicago World's Fair. Apparently even maybe the idea to put a hot dog in a bun. There is one other claim the idea to put a hot dog in a bun. There is one other claim, Charles Feldman of Coney Island in 1867, he had a special cart made with a stove on it to boil sausages, and then it had a compartment to keep buns in which they were served, which sounds like a hot dog to me. In 1871, he leased land and he built

a permanent restaurant instead, and the business grew and it sold Coney Island Red Hots as they were known. No word on if they were in the buns or not. But if he was actually putting them in buns in 1867, that supersedes all this other stuff. I wish I wish history would get its shit together. Can we especially near history like we're able to determine stuff that happened in the Egyptian pyramids 5,000 years ago, but we can't figure out if Charles Feldman or Fuckwanger or Harry Stevens invented the

fucking hot dog in a bun. And it was less than 200 years ago. Oh, man. Do you want to do the etymology? I don't, it's a whole thing, but I'll read out some of the more interesting things. An early use of the term hot dog in reference to the sausage meat appears in the Evansville,

Indiana Courier on September 14th, 1884. Even the innocent Warner Worst man will be blared from dispensing hot dog on the street corner was the quote it was used to mean a sausage in casing in the Patterson, New Jersey Daily Press on December 31st 1892 last day of that year They just snuck it in the hot dog was quickly inserted in a gash in a roll Well, that's that's a hot dog right there 1892. There you go I don't want to get too heavy into the ingredients of the hot dog because I want to still enjoy a hot dog But let's just say hot dogs are typically made out of meat trimmings and fat and include garlic paprika

salt and other preservatives and spices to to maintain their flavor And we just will just stop there with that. That's as far as we need to go. I don't give a shit if a hot dog is a sandwich or not. I never found that to be an interesting question. Maybe that's not entirely true. I thought it was a cute thought exercise for a couple of seconds,

that then the internet just beat to fucking death and ruined. I think I talked about this in a stream. I don't know what happened to my voice there. I think I talked about this in a stream, what happened to my voice there? I think I talked about this in a stream or a regulation podcast or maybe a gameplay video recently. I was talking about what I'm about to talk to you about as if I'd already done it. I was supposed to record this hot dog episode two weeks ago and I knew I was going to do it.

I've already done the research for it. I was ready to do it, but then I got distracted by the Olympics and so I set it aside. But because I knew I was doing it, I kind of forgot in my head that I hadn't already done it. And so I started referencing it in other content as being done already, even though I hadn't actually recorded it.

Which is funny, because in last week's released episode, I mentioned that I'm about to record it, which is true. But then at some point I got anyway, there's multiple pieces of content out there where I refer to this podcast as being already recorded when I haven't done it, which is sort of like that. What is that? Check your head, Beastie Boys album, which I thought was so clever when I was in high school, when the album starts with a live recording of them

saying, this is the first song off our new album. And I was like, how could they know? How could they say it live if the album? And it blew my mind as a teenager because I hadn't conceived of the idea of planning and editing. Anyway, I digress. Don't get me distracted with Beastie Boys.

All right, more to popular hot dog tropes. What, why are there 10 hot dogs in a pack and eight buns per pack to get you to buy more, right? I think probably, but the natural, there's a website that I kind of love now, the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council. By the way, if there's ever a way for me to join the board, even in a ceremonial role at the National Hot Dog

and Sausage Council, or if you guys are ever looking for a hot dog influencer, sausage influencer, hit me up, because I am your wheelhouse. But let's get to the actual answer. When hot dog buns were introduced, hot dogs were sold in varying quantities at the butcher shop. Not until 1940 were hot dogs packaged the way we currently see them in the grocery store.

Manufacturers began packaging hot dogs. They chose the 10 pack formula. I guess they just, it just made sense at the time. Sandwich rolls or hot dog buns most often come in eight to the pack because the buns are baked in clusters of four in pans. So it's a space issue for the creation of a hot dog pan. If a hot dog pan was a little wider,

they could sneak two more hot dogs in it, but then ovens would have to be a little wider. See, so you see, for humanity to have parity in hot dogs and hot dog bun purchasing, we need to widen every oven in the country, which is extremely cost prohibitive. And I think we're just gonna have to learn to live the way it is.

Continue to live the way it is. Anyway, I was talking about this fact recently on whatever piece of rooster teeth, what, rooster teeth? Jesus, that's the first time I've done that. Fuck, I'm not even gonna edit that out. I'll leave it in because that's the first time I've done that. Fuck. I'm not even going to edit that out. I'll leave it in because that is the first time I've referenced the old company by accident in content, I think.

I made it till August 5th. Oh, I think I referenced it in regulation content. I've seen earlier, but I was blown away to find out how many hot dogs are consumed in America. Americans eat. I'm just gonna read it. The National Hot Dog and Sausage Council estimates that Americans consume 20 billion hot dogs a year. 20 billion hot dogs a year. That is 70 hot dogs per person each year. Hot dogs are served in 95% of the homes in America.

15% of hot dogs are purchased from street vendors and 9% are purchased at baseball parks or ball parks in general, according to statistics from the Heartland Buffalo Company, whoever the fuck they are, you listening to this right now, you eat 70 hot dogs a year and you don't even realize it. I brought this up on the pod somewhere in the podcast in regulation content. I must have been the

podcast because we have decided to is hard to believe right. It's hard to stomach. And listen, I'm a guy who loves hot dogs. I said had a hot dog yesterday. But the idea of 70 hot dogs definitely grosses me out. I don't know why. But we find it hard to believe that a human being actually eats an average human being. Like the average, like there's 335 million people

in America or whatever. You all average out to 70 hot dogs a year. And if you're not pulling your weight, like let's say you eat 35 hot dogs a year. That means the guy or the lady next to you is they're banking an extra 35 to cover for your losses. What we've done is we created a special slack group and we're reporting every time me, Gavin, Eric, Nick and Andrew.

We're reporting every time one of us eats a hot dog for the next year. And we're going to count our hot dog totals. If you wanna go along and do this with us, I encourage you to, and we're gonna see how true this has to be. And it's gotta be, like, I'm gonna arrive at my number naturally, but I am gonna arrive at a number naturally as a fan of hot dogs.

I never say no to a hot dog in the wild when I see one. I always eat two at a baseball game or a basketball game, which I love, but how many baseball and basketball games do you go to in a year? I was trying to think about it. I went to one NBA finals game this year. I went to a minor league baseball game, two minor league baseball games this year,

and I'm gonna go to a Tigers game here in a little bit. So that'll be four professional games for me this year. Think maybe I go to a Pistons game later on in the year, that'll be five, that's 10 hot dogs right there. I still gotta come up with 60 hot dogs through the course of the year. It's starting to seem a little more doable, but I don't know that most people go

to five sports games a year. Although who knows, I should look into what the average of that is too, right? I might be surprised. Regardless, over the next year, we're gonna figure out how many hot dogs we each actually eat and we're not gonna allow, I'm gonna make a personal promise

that I'm not going to allow the contest to skew the results. I'm going to eat hot dogs as I normally would and I'm interested to see, what if I find out that I'm not a fan of hot dogs? Like I think I am, I think I love hot dogs. I talk about it all the time. I think about hot dogs all the time. I really do.

What if I find out that I eat 38 hot dogs a year is my natural and the guy next to me eats 70 and the guy across the street eats 70 and my neighbors on the right, they eat 70 and everybody around me is doubling my hot dog and take every year. Yet I consider myself to be a hot dog fan? I don't know how.

Deal with that. What else about hot dogs? You ever wondered how many calories a hot dog is? I've done the research. It is one hundred and fifty one calories. So you figure a bun is probably good for another hundred and fifty calories, and then you get maybe 50 calories of condiments and shit on there.

So, you know, about three, 400 calorie meal, a hot dog, eat two of them. If you put some onions and tomatoes on them and peppers, then you're eating veggies too. So you're like, yeah, your bread group, your veggie group, your hot dog group, cheese group, hopefully, kind of run the gamut. I looked up some interesting hot dog trivia. Do you know what the world's longest hot dog is? I can answer

this. The world's longest hot dog is a world record dating back to at least 2001. The record was supposedly beaten in 2017 at a town in Flensburg, Germany, where a group manufactured and served a U shapedshaped hot dog with a length of 218.7 meters, that is 718 feet. However, the attempt was not valid as it consisted of multiple pieces of bread and sausages instead of one of each. I have come across this before in the So Alright universe.

When you're making your world's longest anything, it has to be consistent. You can't have engineered breaks in the bread. This is what this the same thing with sub sandwiches. So in the official page of Guinness World Records, the current holder of the record is Novex essay done in Paraguay in June of 2011. But how long is it? Okay, thank you. Christ, that was stupid.

It's so weird. They left out the only important information. But how long is it? Okay, thank you. Christ, that was stupid. It's so weird. They left out the only important information. It is 668, I'm sorry, Guinness says a ridiculous 668 feet. I have a bunch of, I have a bunch more hot dog trivia. I don't know that we need to get to it all. I got off on so many tangents this episode. Maybe I'll save a little bit of hot dog mystery

for the future. Maybe we'll hold on to a little bit of the hot dog magic. For instance, oh man, I don't even wanna say it. There's a lot of other hot dog related facts. There's gonna be a hot dogs part two. Somewhere in the future, there's gonna be a hot dogs part two. Somewhere in the future, there's gonna be a hot dogs part two. And I'm very excited about that.

However, I'm gonna end this one. Well, in hot dogs part two, I'll tell you what, I'll make a promise to you. Hot dogs part two, we're gonna look into hot dog related movies. Because in hot dogs part one, I looked into music. And I didn't have time to look into the movies. We're gonna end on our song of the day,

which is Hot Dog related. I did, I looked it up. I looked up every song I could find on Spotify named Hot Dog, and I listened to all of them. And I'm gonna give you a little rundown. There are not as many songs named Hot Dog as you would think. Maybe there are, maybe you wouldn't expect there to be any songs named Hot Dog as you would think.

Maybe there are, maybe you wouldn't expect there to be any songs named Hot Dog, but I just, something so synonymous with feet and animals and food and exclamations of emphasis. Hot dog, you know? It's such a commonplace phrase that you would figure it would work its way into more song titles. I only found one, two, three, four, five, six.

That's me counting out loud. Here we go. I'm just going to run through them real fast to get to our song of the day. Hot Dog by Led Zeppelin. I got excited. I thought, oh, cool. A Led Zeppelin song. I don't remember specifically hot dog I know the album but I sat down and listened to it and then I realized why I don't remember the song

It's not very good. I would not not don't recommend it. I'll be honest with you and I'm okay with Led Zeppelin I just this one. I mean, no, I'm not a great. I'm not a listen. I'm not a Led Zeppelin fan I don't hate him, you know, that's on black dog. I like Hot dog by Lip Biscuit. I don't know what to tell you. I don't I just I never understood the fascination with that band or the appeal, so I can't recommend that one. I did listen to it, though. Hot dog. I got really excited about this one for the I got really excited about this one briefly.'s for the... I got really excited about this one briefly.

Hot dog by They Might Be Giants. But then I kept reading, Four kids, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. I thought, maybe. They Might Be Giants had that song about the son that was educational that I really liked. It was kind of a kid's song. Yeah, this one didn't do it for me, unfortunately.

Maybe if you have small kids. Then we end up with Hot Dog by country and music legend Buck Owens. Hot Dog by the original teen heartthrob Elvis Presley. And Hot Dog Watch Me Eat by early Detroit revival garage rock band Detroit Cobras. I'll be honest with you, all the songs were kind of okay. If I had to listen to any of them

over and over and over again, it's between, the Elvis song really didn't do much for me. So it's between the Buck Owens song and the hot dog Watch Me Eat song by the Detroit Cobras. And that's the difficulty is I decided, well, I feel like they're about the same level of good. And I'm not super into either of them. Either one would probably grow on me over time.

So I'll pick the one that's the most about hot dogs. But they're actually both pretty about hot dogs. So I'm gonna have to call a tie. I've never done this before. I don't know if it's against the rules. I don't know if there are any rules because it's my podcast and I created it and I don't remember making any rules. I could create some real fast so that I could break them.

No, do not tie. All right. Well, rules are made to be broken. So I'm going to pick hot dog. Watch me eat by the Detroit Cobras and hot dog by Buck Owens. They're both OK. You know, if it wasn't an episode about hot dogs, I wouldn't be talking about either of them.

I'll say that. All right. Let's tune in for at some point in the future. Oh, before I stop, let me tell you about an idea I had when I realized that I had been talking about this podcast as if it had already been recorded and I hadn't actually recorded it, I thought, wouldn't it be funny to never record it,

but to always reference it as a thing that's been done? An episode that you just missed. And then people could look around and they could try to find it and they could be like, whatever happened to the hot dog episode? I never heard it. Did I miss it? Am I the only one?

And everybody else is like, no, I don't think he ever released it. And it's essentially the same thing Gus and I did we used to do back when we were idiots in our early 20s, where you would get yard sale signs and then you would just put them up around a neighborhood, but there was no yard sale, right? Get people going in circles for a while.

There was this band that I was inspired by. I shouldn't say I was inspired by the band. I was a story I read in a zine many, many, many, many, many years ago about a band from Houston in the late 70s. And I think they were called, I used to have the seven inch digitally, like on MP3 for them so many years ago.

No idea where that would be now Probably in a landfill honestly there was this band in Houston. They were called moral minority or moral majority maybe Something along those lines and it was a joke started by a couple of friends when punk started to take off And it was a joke started by a couple of friends when punk started to take off. They created a flyer for a punk band and they started posting them around for fake shows all over town. And then people would just miss the shows or they would put, you know, I wanted to do

this myself in Austin for a long time. I never did it. I wanted to post flyers for shows that had already happened, not for a fake band, but like for like rancid. But it was you post the flyer for some secret show that happened last week But you put a lot of them up and then people are just like how the fuck that I missed the secret rancid show, you know That kind of social prank. I love that idea. Anyway, these some kids in Houston did this in the 70s I want to say like 76 77, but I'm pulling that number like right out of my ass and There started to be this fervor for this band that didn't exist. People wanted to see and people started talking about them.

And so they felt like, oh, shit, we have an opportunity here. So they made a band and released a seven inch. And I remember it being OK. Pretty like bare bones early. Just what you would expect. Raw American punk rock. Probably very, very similar to like Black Flag, like that era. So called punk rock. Anyway, I had I thought briefly that it would be fun to do that with hot dogs,

but I decided not to. I actually did want to talk about hot dogs. I didn't realize that I wanted to talk about hot dogs so much that it was going to turn into a two parter, but I guess it is. So there will be another hot dog episode in the future as we've already discussed. But also I just, I think maybe like five years ago I would have done that. But I'm starting to approach an age where I can visualize doing the dumb bit and enjoy the idea of it in my head

and just kind of play through the scenarios and see how it turned out. And I can get like 70% of the enjoyment out of that versus actually going through the effort to do the dumb thing. And so I've been I guess I've been maturing in that way. Or maybe I'm just getting old and lazy. Anyway, that's it for hot dogs. Part one, I'll be back at some point in the undefined future. It won't be next week, for sure, with it. Next week will be about something totally different. Or will it?ined future. It won't be next week for sure with it. Next week it'll be about something totally different.

Or will it? It will, it will. It'll be about something else. Anyway, tune in at some point in the near future for part two of Hot Dogs. Tune in next week for part only of whatever the fuck I talk about. I'll see you then.

All right. Alright. This is the end of the show. Mwah!