Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist - Jack Harlow

Episode Date: October 16, 2022

Jack Harlow has known his life's purpose since he was a 12-year-old sixth grader rhyming into a microphone from the video game Guitar Hero: He was going to be rapper. His first solo mixtape was a hot-seller in the halls of his Kentucky middle school. Now, the 24-year-old Grammy-nominated star is selling-out venues across the country and around the world. In this week's "Sunday Sitdown," Willie Geist gets together with the rapper in between his two Boston shows, where fans were packed shoulder-to-shoulder singing along to every word. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey guys, Willie Geist here with another episode of the Sunday Sit Down podcast. My thanks, as always, for clicking and listening along. Got a great one for you this week with one of the brightest young stars in all of music. His name is Jack Harlow. Maybe you know him from his hit song First Class. The debut at number one, it's got that sample from Fergie's song, Glamorous in there. Maybe you know him from his feature on the Lil Nas X hit Industry Baby. Maybe you know Jack's song What's Poppin from 2020. That was his breakout. This crazy rise he's been on, this crazy road to the top of music is really only two and a half or so years old. Now, of course, his story starts way before that in Louisville, Kentucky. He grew up with parents who were small business owners. His father loved country music, but his mom loved hip-hop, and he got that love from his mom. He started rapping

when he was 12 on a guitar hero microphone in his room. First mixtape made in middle school. Sold it for two bucks a pop when he got to school at recess. He's good. He's got clever lyrics. He's got a very rhythmic flow. He's very charming to sit down and talk with. Maybe you've seen all the viral videos of him being charming. There are these compilations on YouTube just titled Jack Harlow being charming.

24 years old, just getting started, but really knows what he wants. Really smart guy about music, about business. Talks about fitting in into the hip-hop industry as a white guy. guy from Louisville, Kentucky, and we caught up with him on his tour in support of his new album called Come Home, The Kids Miss You. Played a show in Boston on a Sunday night. We interviewed him the next day after we went to that show on Monday, right there at the venue, by the way, connected to Fenway Park. Very cool place to see a show. Young audience, for sure. And man, it was about 5,000 fans packed in shoulder to shoulder and screaming every single word.

of his songs right back to him. He's got a really big, passionate following. So if you don't know Jack Harlow, you're about to get to know him. If you don't listen to Jack Harlow, I bet your kids listen to him. So sit back and hang out right now with really a guy who is

one of the rising stars in all of music. Jack Harlow on the Sunday Sit Down podcast. Thanks for doing this, Jack. Thanks for having me. It's great. I was sitting right over there. It's great to be up on this row, empty and to hear what it was like for you last night. Because for me to get that view from up

there and watch this floor pack shoulder to shoulder with people, bouncing and screaming every word back to you. What's it like from up on the stage? Best feeling. Most validating. Yeah, that's number one. Last night was super intimate too, comparatively, because a lot of these shows have been like my first entry into small arenas, so this felt like the theater run I did last year. I think This is why we're doing two nights. But I loved every second of last night. That was definitely one of the best shows. What is the feeling of, and I've talked to other musicians about this,

you sat in a room somewhere a couple of years ago or last year, and you wrote these songs. They came from you, you put them down on a page, to come back here and to hear all these people sing them back to you, that they've penetrated so much in the culture that they're part of who we are now. What is that feeling like? It's crazy.

You put it really well on there. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. I mean, so many of the songs you write alone in your bedroom or at 4 a.m. in the studio and it's just you and your engineer. And we're just there and you're trying to make, you're trying to get that feeling so you can go home and not feel like, ugh, I don't have it. I couldn't come up with it because it's a battle every day. Even if you made a hit the day before, when you go back in the next day, you're trying to see, okay, well, do I, so you write it. So you write a verse

Like the already best friends third verse I remember writing that Sitting on the floor of a studio at like 3 a.m. It's trying to finish The song And it's almost cooler when you're alone Because it's like No one else is

Privy to like something special Might be going on So you feel like you have this secret You're like I'm crapped in something That's going to mean something And that specific verse is an example of like Everyone in this room was rapping that verse last night And it's something I wrote by myself, and it came from some amazing feeling.

So many people make art, but to be able to make art that is shared, that's what music is so powerful. Because it's just unifying. And you watch people, I see people in the balcony. Sometimes they're looking at me, but sometimes they're just looking at each other, saying it back and forth. Like, this is our verse. You know what I mean? It's a crazy, it must be crazy. That's not polite applause either.

That is, I'm so invested in this. means so much to me. I want to give it right back to you. Well said. Well said. It's more than applause. It's better than applause because they know it. They want to do it with you. Is there a song when you get up there again tonight that you know will absolutely set this place off? I mean, to me, they kind of all did in one way or another. But what's the one where you know the roof's about to blow off this place? It's funny because like so many of my songs are kind of a groovy, smooth feel, which is just my... taste. I really like, I don't have a lot of chaotic, erratic, like, ah, like, let's rage.

I don't have a lot of those. I have a few that create that energy. But I take a lot of pride in the fact that, like, I have smoother records that can set the building off. Like, the one I just brought up, already best friends. It's been out a couple years now. And it might be our best performance song. And it's just to sing along with a verse at the end that is a total back and forth. It's almost like 16 bars of just call and response. Like, so it's just an exchange. I like

songs that are exchanges between me and now. So, I look forward to already best friends every night. You were a guy who looks at all the details. I know that about you. So when you're putting together this tour, putting together that show, what's the idea?

What do you want to present to the audience? Because I don't want to give it away for people who haven't seen it yet and we're going to come see you, but it starts That's one way and then we kind of move to a different place. What do you think about when you want to put together 90 minutes that is going to electrify this room? Yeah, it's a good question. You know, I make a lot of decisions, but I have a really strong team that helps me take it to that next level. You know, like Nemo Akita, it's like my right hand, man, one of my brightest minds that, like, helps me choose things like set lists and how my stage looks.

my boy Chad he runs the company Waste the potential that fabricated this whole thing So I just have a strong circle of guys That you know I can run things past And see what they think

But I have so many flavors And different songs And we just wanted to make something That felt seamless throughout And we still tweak at night by night Last night was a set list We've never done Is that right?

Slight tweaks Because I hate dead spaces I hate when I feel like If we had arranged This is a little different So I'm still tinkering You know what I mean but you just want something that has peaks and valleys that keeps people engaged.

Like, you never want to lose their attention. It's funny you say that because I was going to ask you, will you do anything differently tonight? It's a chance. Because of last night. My guys were furious with me because the changes I made last night, I made 10 minutes before I walked out. I just had a feeling in my stomach.

I was like, move this to here and do this here. And they're like, ah. So they had to scramble. So I appreciate them for that. So we'll see if I have some audibles tonight. That's what makes it exciting is you just have a feeling. You're like, let's try it. Yeah.

We're 20 shows in now, so. Yeah. We feel good about how does it goes. And as a guy who started out, as you said last night, last time you were in Boston, you're in a little bar trying to scare up 100 people. You couldn't quite get there. He said, is it still crazy to you a couple years into this ride to walk out and see this place packed and going bananas?

And right now there are people sleeping on the sidewalk to get in tonight? Yeah, I mean, when I take a moment to soak it, there's so many levels you can reach, right? Like, there's levels above where I'm at, there's levels below where I'm at, there's places you can go. But truth be told, like, when I look out, I'm like, this is really all you need. Like, less than this is all you need, you know, to sell out a room means the world. Like, just so ambitious, but I'm, we made it. That's how I feel sometimes is like, we did it. Of course there's more.

Of course we could, we'd like to get to that stadium level next where it's just like, God, one of the biggest artists in the world. But this is enough right here to be able to do this. So many people don't get a chance to feel this. Yeah, there's some we made it moments that comes with sold our rooms for sure. Good news is you're 24, those stadiums will come. You got some time. I'd like to think so. Thank you.

You got some time. We're focused. One song that you, well, again, I won't get away, but a big song that set the place off is first class, of course. Yeah. Fair to say that is a song that changed your life. I mean, your life had been changed a couple of times before that, I know, but did this take things to another level? Yeah, I would say so.

Anytime you can get a song that just translates and touches that everyone knows, children know, you know, older people know, everyone knows. It's like it does something to your career in that moment. And it's crazy because it's such a commercial record, and I think people even look at it, and they're like, as if it's a commercial attempt. But it's so full circle for me because I was paying homage when I did it, which is one of the pillars of hip-hop is just sampling. I think it was done in a way that was super universal and accessible,

so it feels like this pop moment. And of course it is, but it's super, it's super, it's. super hip hop to me because it's like I handpicked the song you know no label or A&R like put it on a platter and it's like if you execute this you have a hit it was like we created this from the ground up me and my producers I chose that song that I grew up on I was like let's make something of this so it's rare I think that people sometimes people's biggest commercial moments might not resonate in their heart even though it's success and they're grateful for it it might not hit their heart like and I think people would be surprised I know the first class is like soul

to me at least. It's like it's something that matters as much as the outro at the end of an album where you're pouring out your heart matters. You know a lot of artists that's the song that they're like I'm proud of this one. I'm as proud of first class as any song and it's not it's not because of how big it is either. It's because of what it is it to you? Why is it so soulful to you? Because it's like it's just full circle. It's um Fergie was one of my favorite artists when I was a kid and glamorous was. was one of those songs that I was obsessed with. It was one of my intros to music. So anytime you can work your own personal DNA into your artistry, hip-hop artists have been doing it for years. They sample whatever their parents were playing in the house, or they sample something they loved when they were six. And of course, there's some nostalgia involved,

but what's beautiful is there's kids right now that think that's the song, and they hear glamorous, and like, oh, is that a remix of first class? You know what I mean? So it's bringing it to a new generation. And of course, my generation and older, it's like, oh, we know this. But things just cycle. And it's just, it's dope to be a part of bringing that song back to the forefront.

You had a lot of influences growing up. I think that wouldn't be the first one most people would pick for you to come out with your big hit song. That's right. And that's what you want. You want something that's like, oh. Because I think when it came out, everyone was kind of like, damn, has nobody done that? And that's what you want. You want one of those like, oh, you want your peers to be like,

why didn't I think of that? And I could sense that energy of like, damn. As soon as we teased it, it was like, everyone knew what it was. It was like, yeah, it's out of here. Number one, first week, my first number one debut. So a lot of milestones with that. You could take a good sample, though. Not everybody makes something out of it the way you did with first class.

So now that you decide that's the sample, what's your writing process to put that song together. What did you want to do around the sample? Yeah, well, it was like sort of a theme throughout the album is conversing with the sample. So not just letting the sample be in the background or talking over it, but rather like playing off of it. Like even my intro, Talk of the Town, we sample Destiny's Child, and I'm talking to the sample. So it became a theme throughout the album, I think. And then for the verses, I think we hit the nail on the head with the hook so hard, it just was so like, There's something obvious about it, like, yeah, this is very easy to attach to.

For the verses, I just wanted to rap and say a few things that might even be polarizing. Like certain lines of people were like, why would he say that? But it's like, that's the balance. We balance it out with some, like, I don't know how I feel about him saying that. Right. You know what I mean? But, you know, anyone has... Making music isn't always just about, like, what you say and do.

It's like, it's curation. Like, anyone had the opportunity to sample glamorous. Everyone is allowed to do that. It's like, when you choose to do it and then, timing like it's up to you is it a thrill to be able to work with some of your heroes you've been doing it for a couple years now but on this album the collabs are with all heroes yeah yeah you're super thrilling to be able to pick up the phone and say Drake Pharrell all those guys crazy low Wayne Justin Timberlake yeah it's crazy yeah it's huge and it's the same it mean

it's the same thing it's like your childhood self is like damn you did it The title of the album, for people who don't know, what does it mean? Why did you name it that? Come home. Can't you miss you. I think I was spending so much time away from Kentucky that something was calling me back and continues to. I recorded most of the album outside of Kentucky. And also it was kind of an inside joke that I'd see my fans commenting it under everything.

They would say it on some, like, distant wife energy. So it's something that just felt appropriate for the time. Yeah. It became like, I just like titles that like Signify Era. Hey, guys, thanks for listening to the Sunday Sit Down podcast. Stick around to hear more from Jack Harlow right after the break. Welcome back now more of my conversation with Jack Harlow. So just saying, how are you?

Stay grounded. Yeah, in the middle of this. I'd like to think the company I keep maybe. It's a lot of my day ones and team strong. I feel like a lot of people around me have strong integrity. So yeah, I think I owe it a lot to the people around me. On a day-to-day basis, they start to rub off on you. A lot of my homeways will still tell me exactly what they think or, you know, make fun of me.

me you know i mean it's not some weird hierarchy that makes me feel like i'm in a strange position so it's important to have those people i agree keep them close right i agree what about your family they keep you grounded too yeah definitely they um they make it clear to me all the time that they like care about my happiness before anything you know before my success if it all ended tomorrow and there's moments that you know you'll have a party or you'll have a some sort of celebration. Maybe you'll have some people over. And you had this moment where you're like,

you know, all these people might not be here if I wasn't in the position I was in in life. Maybe they wouldn't be smiling as hard or maybe they wouldn't laugh as hard at every joke I'm making. And then so you start to account for everyone in your life that you feel like would be no matter what.

And so my immediate family is definitely in that category. Because I think everyone has like nightmares of losing it all and what that looks like and those people are still in the picture when you imagine that that's it's the whole deal and they have such an influence on who you are as an artist right now i love reading the list of your mom's influences emm outcast tribe drake she was a real hip-hop fan and still is i think definitely so how early do you remember listening to hip-hop with your mom i always say my um earliest memories when she went to

went and bought late registration by yay on disc. I played it in the car and she was like, you can't hear this, you can't say a lot of these words you're about to hear. So I just remember listening to late registration in the car with her, it's definitely a key moment for me. She had a huge CD collection that I was sift through on my own, you know, without even being handed anything

and just be like, oh, listen, it. So definitely had my like dusting off the vinyl moments because of her. But your dad's a country guy, right? Yeah. So you got these two influences. Yeah. Does that side show up in your music?

I think so. I think the storytelling, which is in both genres, but like the vibrato, he likes to sing. He sang at their wedding. He sang Suspicious Minds by Elvis. So he, um, my dad's soulful, you know. So I've definitely inherited some of that. And yeah, I love country. I don't know if I would make country,

but there's like a lot of the emotion and storytelling and just the yearning I love about it. I've always told, I grew up in hip hop, then I went to college in Nashville. I tell my hip-hop friends, country music is just hip-hop, and vice versa to the country fan. I've always thought that. They're just telling a story about what's outside their door,

like you said. It's kind of the same thing, right? Just from a different point of view. Yeah. So your parents talk about when you were young with the guitar hero, Mike, you're in your room writing rhymes. You're 12 years old. Is that about when you remember catching the bug of I think hip hop's my thing? Yeah.

And also just like hip hop wasn't like a niche genre by the time I was a teen. Right. It was everything. It was influenced in the way we were addressing. Even as white kids, it was just like it was the it. It was culture. period. So it's what you grow up in, especially with the help of the internet, you see what hip-hop's like in New York and Oakland, in Texas. And so, yeah, I think for me it was,

it's like the kids that decided to go make a band are the ones that were doing something niche. You know what I mean? To love, everyone loved hip-hop. Not everyone was making it, but everyone loved it, so I think I've always been a centrist as a person. Like, I've always been kind of right down the middle. So it was always just made sense for me to make rap music. That was my medium. But the rhythmic side of it is what I love. I think people's like what people, you know,

I think people like my lyrics, they like my voice, said like this, but like my flow is what has always, I think, brought fans in off rip. At least immediately it's like, whoa, like the pockets are just. So flow, which is so rhythm-driven, was always my strong point. Even when I was a kid, I mean, even when I was 12, 13, I had a knack for, like, flow. Like, even when I was saying cheesy, childish things and, like, my rhymes were super basic. My flow was, like, there's something there. You know what I mean?

Mm-hmm. And you were good at it. It's one thing to be a fan of hip-hop, which we all are. Yeah. But you had that talent for it, and you're selling your, you know, CDs for two bucks a piece at Highland Middle School and doing your thing there. I mean, you were already off and running. Was that always, even in middle school? like this is what I'm going to do, this is what I'm going to be.

For some reason. Looked at it the same way in as I do now. You know, a lot of people talk about that switch that maybe comes out of necessity where they're like, all right, I started taking it serious. And maybe for some people, it's like to stay out of jail or to like, you know, take their career to the next level because they've been bullshitting. Like, for me, it was like never a switch. It was like, I just got blessed to know that I wanted to do it. And it sounds like you had the full support of your parents. They said, you've got a talent.

Go chase it. I think they were very supportive of like, you love something. But it was hard for them to decipher whether it would be a hobby because kids have just eras. You know, they like Legos, and then they like basketball, and then they'd stop loving basketball. And, you know, suddenly they like something new. So I don't know if they could ever tell rap was going to be something that I loved forever. They wanted me to go to school, you know. But.

But you had no doubt. I mean... Yeah, for some reason, right? For some reason. I think you've been proven right. I think you've been proven right. Yeah, I think it just takes a couple milestones, a couple shows, a couple checks.

And then the parents are like, all right, I can relax a little. Right, right. So beyond the mixtapes that were very popular, what's the moment where you said, okay now I know I can do this for a career yeah it's the whole time I don't know of course there's like affirming moments but like

I can't pinpoint a time where I was like unsure which is strange if you ask me it's strange it feels like second nature to me but I can admit that it was like but I think that's the type of mindset it takes I think a lot of kids that are NBA stars when they were nine they weren't like

if only I could just make it let's see what let's see what my best shot is they're like I'm going to the NBA. It's like, what are we talking about? I'm going to be in the league. That's how they looked at it. I think that's how it happens. It's like day after day, your self-image is like, duh.

Your self-image is like, of course. Slowly you shape your reality into exactly what you expect for yourself because the decisions you made are made with that subconscious saying, you're a star. And if you're not yet, it's obvious you're going to be like no-brainer. I think that's what it takes. I think a lot of kids need to realize that it is like, it's almost better off to not be like, let's see how this goes. And more just like, this is going in, right, you know.

And of course, just bumps along the way to discourage you. There's tons of imposter syndrome from me. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's a black genre and I was white, so it's just, I am white. So it was, there were moments where I was just like, oh. And then, you know, so many of your peers come from a different background. and have different stories and you sit. You have moments where you feel like an outsider.

But I've spent more time feeling like I belong than I don't. And I think that's a good feeling. So how did you get over that? How did you make that leap to feeling like you, yes, I should be here with these guys? It's like, you know, there's like those moments where you're in your head and then there's moments where you're out and you're just lost in it. And I think I was lucky enough to spend more time out of it,

not saying, I wonder how they're taking me. And more like they, you know, I'm good. I belong. And I feel like it's impossible to always feel like you belong. You can't always feel like you're one of them. But if you could spend enough time feeling like, if you could spend enough time being sure of yourself, it's helpful.

And to get the affirmation of people like Drake and Kanye. Yeah, or DJ Drama Don Cannon, who I ended up signing to me. Along the way, there's gatekeepers that just night you almost, that you're like, and that you're exactly right, actually. It's the most, I mean, Drake has validated me in crazy ways. Kanye has validated me in crazy ways this year. Certain moments that are so key to your like, I knew I was, I knew I was who I thought I was. Whether it's just a word at a party, whether it's just someone whispering in your ear, like, I see what you're doing, it's great.

You take that with you for months. That's like gasoline where you're like, I knew it. I had I was right. Stick around for more of my conversation with Jack Harlow right after a quick break. Welcome back now to the rest of my conversation with Jack Harlow. And it's not just anybody whispering here. It's Kanye or Kendrick or Drake. It's the guys.

Yeah. It's the guys. And if you envision yourself like that type of tip of the hat is like, like, It's a million dollars. Do you think the white guy in hip-hop conversation is over? You know, we had it with Eminem, we had it with the Beastie Boys before that. Yeah, they're still writing thing pieces. I see them all the time. It's far from over.

What do you think about that? It's interesting. It's evolved because, yeah, there's like been different white artists, but they've come at different times and there's been less white artists before them, at least in rap. Like M&M, to so many people was, A first. It wasn't literal because you had vanilla ice and Beastie Boys and you had you had guys, but he was the first one to like really take it there. Like right up the middle. Everyone knew who he was. I mean, just a cultural phenomenon. He had the late great Mac Miller who did not take the same route as Eminem, but was very successful and handled it differently. So, you know, I think it's just an era to error thing. It comes with the context of. when you're coming in. And I think I'm coming in at a time

where rap has gotten very street again. Even artists that aren't that street, their content is street. So there's a strong juxtaposition. I think I'm blessed to, like, have a spot right now because it's not, I don't think it's a time where, like,

it's like, yeah, let's let as many white boys in as we can. I think it's an authentic moment in culture right now. People are looking for authenticity. They want to believe you. people aren't just getting crafted, like pop projects and being like, all right, here's a polished, you know what I'm saying? People had to believe you. And I think that's what's got me my space so far. You make yourself undeniable.

If you're good enough, you can't help it let you in. If you're talented and when you speak, people feel like he's telling the truth. It goes a long way. Yeah. So you, as I said, you're still young. You've got number one songs. You've got all this. behind you with so much still in front of you?

How do you see it going from here? I mean, you're doing brand deals, you want to play stadiums, you've got all these things going. When you look ahead, what do you see? I think I still have a lot to prove in the music space. I think I've had some amazing commercial success, but I think there's still stories and art I want to make that I haven't made.

I think I still have to prove myself a little bit, which is exciting. I think that's how you want to feel and that's how you stay hungry. So I think my, as my image and brand continues to grow and people recognize me in the street, whether they listen to my music or not, I really want to make sure that I leave behind the mark I want to leave on music and be a true storyteller and have music I'm really proud of that I can look back on and say, man you know this helps someone so i still have steps i want to take as just a artist so i'm hungry but in terms of trajectory like we're gunning for the top i mean we want to be i want to be one of those

guys and acting is out there too white men can't jump yeah cannot wait to see that me neither was that fun to make as a guy who plays basketball was it was it was a it was it was humbling because I was like the worst basketball player on the set but we made it work but it's a nice escape from recording I've been recording for like 14 15 months straight doing 4 p.m. to 4 a.m. studio blocks like day after day and for a month and a half I don't have any energy to record I mean I totally stepped away from music and was doing a different medium and spending time with people in a different industry that may or may not even listen to my music. They might know who I was,

but it was my first movie, so I had something to prove there. It's healthy. Something you want to do more of? You enjoyed it? I'd like to. Yeah. Yeah. I got the bug a little bit. If it makes sense, music's first, but... How'd you play, most importantly? How'd you play? How did you? How the cameras will tell you, I did well. They only use them the good takes, I'll tell you that. That's good. You were talking about people recognize you in the street, obviously, it's because of your music. But also, it's taken on a life of its own, this idea of Jack Harlow. There are YouTube compilations of it charming people, just being yourself on a red carpet or out in the street or somewhere else. I know that's something you don't consciously do, but are you aware that that thing is out there?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course. I mean, this makes you into such a narcissist. you're going to know what you're going to know how the culture's viewing you so yeah but those but those aren't moments that you thought oh i'm going to be charming that was just you being you and then people have mashed them together yeah those are cameras catching me and you know a great space at the right time but um you know i've been liable to be caught on camera in like less flattering ways too it happens

yeah so um i felt i felt good of about all those moments, yeah. Is it crazy to you to be beyond the music again as a guy from Louisville who grew up, listening to hip hop and trying to be a rapper to be at the Met Gala and doing all this stuff that's like from a different planet, probably to 12-year-old Jack Harlow?

Yeah, there's moments where you, I'm sure a lot of other people in blessed positions think about, they literally have flashbacks, random ones. I have times where I'm at the MetGallor or something and I'll think about being in class in fourth grade when I had created none of what I've created so far naturally and it's just like, damn, just on some like, who would have thought? Including myself.

Like, I have known this for a while, but of course there was an age where I didn't envision any of this where you, you know, when you're from zero to 10, you're just floating, really. You're just like, I want to enjoy life. It's very rare that I think kids super, super young are like on a mission, super early. So when I was in fourth grade, third grade, you're going on field trips. And I think about that kid and think about if you just presented where things are, it would be crazy. Especially coming from Kentucky, like a state that has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder because, you know, it's not Beverly Hills.

It's different. Yeah, even if you're confident and you know where you want to go, some of the stuff still blows your mind. trust me all the time my big thanks again to jack for a great conversation you can pick up his album come home the kids miss you wherever you get your music and my thanks to all of you for listening again this week if you want to hear our conversations with guests every week be sure to click follow so you never miss an episode and of course don't forget to tune in to sunday today every weekend on nbc

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