Table Read - Intoducing: Filmspotting Podcast - Top 5 Spider-Man Scenes

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

With the world’s Spidey sense activated by the latest Spider-Man installment (Marvel’s Spider-Man: Brand New Day), Adam and Josh look back at the webslinger’s first 25 years on the screen with their Top 5 Spider-Man Scenes. Yes, even Andrew Garfield gets some love.  Filmspotting Podcast This episode is presented by⁠ Regal Unlimited⁠⁠, the all-you-can-watch movie subscription pass that pays for itself in just two visits. Use code FILMSPOT26 to take 15% off. Intro (00:00:00-00:02:35) Top 5 Spider-Man Scenes (00:02:36-00:41:30) Filmspotting Family: ‘20s/’30s Madness — Round 2 (00:41:31-00:49:34) Notes / Poll: Best Spidey Movie (00:49:35-01:03:38) Top 5 Spider-Man Scenes, cont. (01:03:39-01:34:44) Credits / Releases (01:34:45-01:37:59) Links: “When Mary Jane Kissed Spider-Man” | The Ringer https://www.theringer.com/2022/05/03/movies/spider-man-kiss-tobey-maguire-kirsten-dunst Feedback: -Email us at [e-mail]⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠-⁠Ask Us Anything⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and we might answer your question in bonus content. Support: -Join the Filmspotting Family for bonus episodes and complete archive access. http://filmspottingfamily.com -Filmspotting Shop for T-shirts and more.⁠ ⁠ ⁠https://www.filmspotting.net/shop⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow: -Watch Filmspotting on YouTube: ⁠https://youtube.com/filmspotting⁠ -Adam/Filmspotting: ⁠Letterboxd⁠ |⁠ Instagram⁠ |⁠ Facebook⁠ | ⁠Bluesky⁠ -Josh/LarsenOnFilm: ⁠Letterboxd⁠ | ⁠Instagram⁠ |⁠ Facebook⁠ | ⁠BlueskySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That and more ahead on. film spotting. Welcome to film spotting. Josh, we are back from our Odysseus review, standalone review, and our Odysian-like adventure, our annual trek up to Spring Green and American Players Theater saw some great theater, got to hang out with Sam on the Wisconsin River, not quite as treacherous as what Odysseus had to put up with. It wasn't.

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A lot had changed. All of our kids, it's like we're walking around mostly with adults now. Yes. And a lot hadn't changed. APT, still doing wonderful theater. I think Casey and Diana was maybe the best, certainly one of the best productions. We've seen. I've seen since we've been there. And yeah, it was a good, it was a good time. It already feels like it was a month or two ago. But that's how the summers work, I guess. It really does. And if you really do want to see what it was like on the Wisconsin River, yes, we did post a picture on the film spotting and Larson on film social media. You got some fine feedback on your hat, Josh. Always, always play it safe. Safety first. Be prepared. Yes. Later in the show, we will have a new poll for you asking you to name. the definitive Spider-Man movie.

I am eager to see those results. Maybe it will break out along generational lines, Josh. Maybe it won't. We have a reminder that film spotting is available as a video podcast. You can watch us talk over at YouTube.com slash film spotting. We are anticipating Spider-Man brand new day. This is a film, Josh, that you did just see, I believe, a night or two ago. You were able to get to the critic screening in show.

Chicago. I am seeing it this weekend. We do plan to talk about it next week here on film spotting. So anticipatory programming, we thought, why not look back at this entire, I was going to say cycle, but there's been so many iterations and different studios making movies, of course. We're going to look back at all of these Spider-Man movies and see if we can call together our individual top five list. I anticipated that we would have some overlap, and it seems that we do. And that's fine. I I am eager to see where we fall on these films and where we fall in terms of why we like these individual scenes. So we will get to that as we make our way through our list. We have our top five Spider-Man scenes.

Any preface to your list? Just that this was way easier for me than our Superman moments list, which we just did last summer. And the main reason for that, Spider-Man has always been my superhero. if I were asked to pick, the one that I followed the longest, been most enamored with. And, you know, I mentioned before on the show, I think that when I was a kid, this is who I wanted to be. This is who I pretended to be. It worked out well that for whatever reason, climbing was my thing as a kid, you name it, trees, jungle gyms, sheds. If you could climb it, I was trying to do that.

And after seeing Spider-Man, yeah, I added the walls of our home to that list and would try to be Spider-Man to my mom, Sugarin. This is probably done while wearing my Spider-Man underwuse, which I know have been mentioned on the show before. Do you think we need to explain Underrues to younger generations at this point, Adam? It's sad because I don't think they make them anymore, right? And they were wonderful. They were amazing.

Yeah, late 70s, early 80s. I think meant sort of as pajamas or underwear. Both. They were magic. A T-shirt top matching bottoms in your favorite superheroes costume, essentially. What more could a seven, eight-year-old want? I mean, it was just wonderful. So, yeah, definitely had Spider-Man, Underreuse.

And I think this was interesting. Compared to Superman, where I had to do a lot of research and kind of bring myself up to speed on the history of this character, when we talked about doing this list, immediately four scenes came to mind. Just right in the first conversation I had with, you know, with family and to my head as well. That's rare for me for a top five. You know, I'll have one or two, maybe depending on the topic. And I ended up just sticking with those four.

I, you know, considered others, gave it some more thought. But it was one of those instances where if it's, you know, pop culture personal like this, you kind of have to go with what hits you first. And then I did a little bit of searching for what could be my number four. and it wound up being a moment that a listener reminded me of that I'm happy to make as a pick as well. I think it's a great pick. So yeah, this was a fun one, basically. I will get into this a little bit more as we get into the list. I did have to do one piece of homework. I don't know that I should have done this homework, Josh, but I had to do one piece of homework because as I was

preparing, I got a little nervous. I thought, despite my love for Spider-Man, and I think we've accurately dated ourselves here and everyone is clear. But we didn't grow up with Spider-Man movies. We grew up with Spider-Man, the comic book. We grew up with Spider-Man TV shows, the animated cartoons, Justice League. So Spider-Man was a big part of our childhoods. But Superman, we had Superman the movie. That was the originator of a lot of these comic book superhero movies.

And that was, of course, the first one we saw. So I think I was a lot like you. that I immediately became obsessed with Superman, but then Spider-Man came in, and there was something about the playfulness of Spider-Man. There was something about, for me, there was the strength, despite the fact that he was such a live figure,

but he was so strong, he was so powerful, that is something that appealed to me. And who didn't want, for whatever reason, what was it about web slinging? That just seemed so cool. You just wanted to be able to do that.

Because it was, It was shooting something, which as young boys, you have to admit, we're drawn to for whatever reason. But it wasn't, it wasn't destructive. It wasn't, it wasn't hyper aggressive. I think that's it. And part of it is, you know, I can remember too, just like swings, just swinging on or the like the swing that just had the disc on the bottom. So there was a single rope. You know, I would rarely be sitting on that.

I would be hanging on it. And this was probably influenced by seeing the Spider-Man cartoons. or something like that. I think as we got a little older, Indiana Jones played into this, swinging from the whip. Yeah. Right?

It's all sort of the same, the same motion that we gravitated towards. And then you see this superhero doing it. And it's like, oh, man, I want that. I was worried, though, because I was thinking,

we didn't even review or we avoided for a long time reviewing one of the last Spider-Man movies with Tom Holland. And I knew, or I was pretty certain, I hadn't seen at least one of the Andrew Garfield. There are only two. I knew I hadn't seen at least one of the Andrew Garfield movies. And I thought it was possible.

I hadn't seen both of them because I couldn't remember either of them. So I'm sitting here going, am I just not going to bring up the fact that we're doing a top five Spider-Man scenes? And I don't think I've seen like three of these 10 movies or something. I'm straining credulity here. And then I did the research and I realized that I have seen all of these movies. We did talk about, I think, almost all of them on the show.

The only exception, including the Amazing Spider-Man, the first Garfield Stone. That was reviewed on the show. And I did see it, just have no recollection of it. The only one I did not see was the Amazing Spider-Man 2. So the second one with Garfield and Stone. Rough. I did that homework, Josh. And it will come up in the context of this top five, but no, it did not make.

It did not make my top five. I will just leave it at that. So I have now, I have now seen all of them. I'm a completest. Good on you. Good for doing your due diligence. I look forward to your letterboxed ranking soon. Yes. That is, that is coming next. So let's go ahead and jump in your number five, Spider-Man scene. So yeah, this suggestion comes from a longtime listener, Jonathan Anderson, and it comes from Spider-Man 2, directed by Sam Ray. Amy, it's Spider-Man being lifted by the crowd in the train. And I think that particular moment is my pick, the lifting and carrying him. But it works because it's prefaced by this great action sequence that Ramey stages. They're directly connected.

So Toby McGuire here, Spider-Man's at the front of this elevated train, high up above the city. It's careening out of control toward the end of the track, which essentially the track just ends there, and so if you go past it, essentially like a cliff. Spidey tries a couple of things to stop it, eventually casting webs onto the buildings on either side of the tracks and then holding them with his

arms as he's at the very front, kind of turning himself into this human break. And the effort nearly kills him. So this is when the train stops. He's succeeded, but he's completely exhausted and loses consciousness and almost falls

forward off the platform. And that's when the passenger's hands, so the people who are in the car, they reach out of the broken windows at the front of the train, just one and then another, another, another, and they kind of grab him and hold him there, catch him. They save him. And then they bring him into the car, pass him over their heads to the back of the train, where they lay him down. He doesn't have his mask on. And so a man observes, I think this speaks to a little bit of what you were talking about, Adam, about why are we, were we so drawn to this character? A man says he's just a kid. Just a kid.

He's just a kid. No older than my son. And I think as kids to obviously a teenager, but still, like this was different than Superman who was not only an adult, but like an alien, right? This is a kid. So in this scene, he does revive. And then a couple of really little kids, they hand him his mask and, you know, promise we won't tell anybody here. There's that contract between Spider-Man and the people that he. He protects.

And I think that's what this whole sequence really speaks to, the intimate relationship that this particular superhero has to the people he's protecting. And I do think this scene, I like how they set it up where during that whole action portion, as Spider-Man is trying different things to get the train to stop, some of the passengers kind of get snarky with him. Like, well, that didn't work. And there's a back and forth. So there's already been this connection established.

These aren't just faceless victims, basically. And it made me wonder, I wonder if Spider-Man is the superhero who people in the story feel the closest to, almost on a personal level. I mean, he is the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, right? It's right there. And I do think there's something unique. Maybe there's someone I'm forgetting about that, where these aren't, you know, people talk about superheroes being the contemporary modern-day mythical gods. and a lot of times that's how we think of them, right? These superior beings, but not in the case of Spider-Man.

And a key portion of that is the relationship he has with the people on the streets that he walks and serves. So yeah, I think that's, I think it's a great pick of Jonathan's, definitely one of my favorite scenes among all the movies. So I'm going to start there. That would have been one of the top three or four that immediately came to mind for me and that I would have, I would have said, am I going with this because it in a way seemed obvious to me. And I mean obvious just because it was one of the first ones I thought of, am I giving enough thought to this for me or is this a greatest hit? And it has to be considered, Josh.

And I am giving it an honorable mention. It is a moving scene. And you're right about the intimate relationship between Spider-Man and the city and its citizens is such a crucial part of these films, obviously the whole saga. I don't know, and I'd love to hear from some New Yorkers on this. I don't know as I rewatch scenes whether or not the way New Yorkers are depicted is one of the strengths of these films. It definitely seems to, for comedic reasons, it seems to resort to the most obvious cliches. My guess is people would say the Spider-Verse movies, get this the closest.

Yes. is what I would think. That's probably, that's probably accurate. It's cartoonish otherwise, though. So that imagery, which seems almost like Christ imagery, obviously, with him being held aloft with his, with his arms out as he's being taken back in is really a stunning image, that line about him being just a kid is one that sticks with you. And the last thing I'll say is that even in the really bad Spider-Man movies and some of

these films that we considered are bad. There are moments like that. Maybe not on that level. That's why this one's on your list and why it's an honorable mention for me. But every one of these movies gives you at least one visual moment like that that you can take away from it. And maybe that's why something about Spider-Man in these films at least stays in our imagination and why we want to do lists like this one. my number five is one that involves dialogue and no no great imagery josh unless you consider a couple of really effectively deployed close-ups and i suppose i will i'm going to start with a spider-man

scene that doesn't involve anyone in a spider-man suit nor anyone in any kind of superhero or super villain suit at all there's certainly no cg i there's no spectacle to it whatsoever unless you consider watching Michael Keaton perform on screen a spectacle. When I think of these Tom Holland MCU Spider-Man movies, the scene that I have to admit is most memorable for me. It's not any of these big show-stopping action sequences. And it's still a treat to watch. It's the dad talk between Keaton's Adrian Toombs and Holland's Peter Parker when he

He's taken his daughter out on a date and they're in the back seat together as Keaton's Volcher is chauffeering them around and he has put together what Peter has already put together having recognized him because he doesn't wear a mask. That he is he is the villain. He's the bad guy. But here Adrian's putting it together that through some of the conversation that Peter Parker, his daughter's date is in fact his nemesis now, Spider-Man. Does she know?

No what? So she does it. Good. Close to the vest. I admire that. I've got a few secrets in my own. Of all the reasons I didn't want my daughter to date. Comic book villains.

This is why I also wanted to give a little bit of love to this scene and not just give it to Spider-Man, as we're doing our top five Spider-Man moments. Comic book villains on screen are just so hard to pull off. When you think about the best superhuman. Hero movies, period. So often aren't the ones that are near the top of the list, they're the ones that have the most memorable villains. It's like three right off the top of my head, The Dark Knight with the Joker. Eric Kilmonger is one of the great villains in Black Panther. Spider-Man 2.

You just talked about it. And Doc Ok, Alfred Molina, is a key part of that. And you might be listening and saying, well, yeah, duh, the villains, they're the antagonists. they're the antagonist. They're a huge part of the movie. They're major characters. They're driving the action. Of course, the villains are important. That's my point, though. It should be obvious. And yet there are plenty of examples where they, the filmmakers try to provide some psychological motivation and mostly hope the cool effects will wow the audience. They give them a cool suit or whatever and some cool powers. And that's about it. And this will come up again when I do bring up

the amazing Spider-Man too. Electro, anyone? You know, I think Electro kind of fits this bill and is one of the reasons why the, no offense to Jamie Fox, who I think gives it his best, but he's not a good villain. And you watch this scene

between Keaton and Holland and Keaton is just delivering what I said at the time was a master class in menace. It's so intense without ever raising his voice, He's so scary, despite having a smile on his face for much of the conversation. I mean, it's a twisted smile, but it's a smile. Peter, nothing is more important than family. You saved my daughter's life, and I could never forget something like that.

So I'm going to give you one chance. Are you ready? You walk through those doors. You forget any of this happened. And don't you ever, ever interfere with my business again? because if you do I'll kill you and everybody you love

I'll kill you dead that's what I'll do to protect my family people do you understand villains if you really go back and think about him they they almost always have a grudge of course against someone and it's usually Spider-Man or whoever they're fighting

or against the world and they believe they're justified in their actions why else are they doing whatever, why else are they doing it? Unless maybe, I can't believe I'm mentioning it again, unless maybe they're the rhino, Paul Giamatti's character in The Amazing Spider-Man too, who just seems to want to wreak havoc for no good reason. But with the vulture, it's very clear that Keaton tapped into a character who just wants to take care of his family and believes that his business has been screwed over by the government. and when you watch the movie, it's hard to argue with him.

You absolutely understand the predicament that he's in and you sympathize with him. He certainly feels like, even though it's just these two guys sitting in the car, he feels like a real threat to Spider-Man here. As a villain, he's, of course, a threat despite just being a man. That's it. He's not imbued with any special powers. He is just a man. all of these other villains or almost all the other villains you can think of have been transformed in some way and are not really human or fully human anymore.

Volcher stands out because of his humanity and you see it, you see it come through in his overprotectiveness of his family in this scene. Like I said, it was one of the first few scenes that came to mind for me, maybe because it's one of the most recent. but of all the the MCU incarnations, this one had to be on my list. Yeah, it came to mind to me immediately as well, unfairly probably because I walked into the family room maybe two or three weeks ago. And this was playing on the TV. This is what my kids were watching. And I just had to stop. I had to sit down.

I had to finish it because it's such a great scene. As a matter of fact, I've got it higher on my list. So I'm going to do some jumping around here. Okay. And I'll get back to my number four. And right now talk about my number three, which is where I have the dad talk. It is, if we have to like give a majority of the credit, it is Keaton. You're right.

This is a character as you laid out well so smartly conceived and motivated, believably so. And then what Keaton does with it. I mean, those who needs CGI when you have Michael Keaton's eyebrows? You're good. that's definitely a huge part of the tension in this scene. I do think Holland is also quite good here, though, even though it's not his moment. This is Keaton's moment. But I like how he plays Peter trying to be cool, but clearly not only intimidated, but scared.

Yes, I agree. On a multiple, multiple reasons because of his relationship with Bolcher's daughter, right? Laura Harrier is the actress here. And she's at the beginning of the scene. And I love the dynamic there. She's like, okay, I'm going to go go in and leave you two alone to have your talk. And this is, I think this is what's so great about this scene as well, is the genius, the simple genius of the, of Spider-Man Homecoming, let's say, to a lesser degree, far from home.

And I think this gets lost a bit in no way home. But in Spider-Man Homecoming is that it was a high school movie first. and a Spider-Man movie second. And so your emotional investment is equally, at least, let's say, in that scene in this familiar, uncomfortable dynamic of being, you know, a teen couple in a car with one of your parents and what you're going to talk about, how your parent is going to act, how your boyfriend or girlfriend is going to act, however that goes. Already you've got natural anxiety.

And then the context that this story brings into it just amps that up. And I think that's the line that Holland plays really well in the movie overall, but here in particular, he's anxious as the boyfriend and he's anxious as the hero facing his nemesis here. So it goes back to that, you know, he's just a kid thing. We already touched on, right? That's definitely at play here. I think the best thing about these Holland movies are the way they kind of capture the acute anxiety. of that. So yeah, totally with you there.

My number three pick is the dad talk. Now, you're going in there. You show my daughter a good time. Okay. Just not too bad. Part of the fun of that scene as a viewer is the way it plays with our expectations and our understanding

of these familiar scenes. And that's a familiar cultural scene. Whether we've been involved in it ourselves or not, we understand the dad talk as the dad in that scene even refers to it. I'm going to have the dad talk. And the daughter knows what that means as she gets out of the car. And it doesn't go the way it should go at all. So it subverts that.

But then also it subverts the superhero villain hero. conversation confrontation scene because there are plenty examples in those movies where and in spider man movies where one of the two in the scene is kind of on to the other and their real identity. And so they have that teasing conversation where they're kind of trying to suss it out or they're prodding the other one a little bit. But it doesn't really go anywhere. They don't actually, they don't say it. They don't bluntly say what they're really thinking and feeling.

and they don't actually call the other person out on it. And in this scene, they just, he just puts the pleasantries completely aside and does that. So I think it just confounds our expectations in that way in a really great way. You may have already seen it, Josh, but I need to go see Spider-Man brand-new day in order to review it here next week on the show. That's one I am excited to see in the theater. have a couple of kids in my house actually who are excited to see the new Spider-Man movie as well so I'll have company for that one

it will be fun to watch that now through the lens of having revisited all of these films and thinking about some things in common there are definitely some callbacks to a few of the moments we talked about the invite is the big movie I still haven't caught in the theater and you can still see that at Regal Cinemas

and here's one more going to call out because we were just in Spring Green and we were hanging out, seen some theater with our producer Sam. And he talked about a musical that I've never seen any kind of production of. It's playing on the big screen. Hades Town the musical. Sam swears by how good this musical is and this stars the original Broadway cast Hades Town the musical available now on the big screen. and you can see that for free with Regal Unlimited, the all-you-can-watch movie subscription pass that pays for itself in just two visits. If you sign up for Regal Unlimited, just use the code Film Spot 26 to get 15% off.

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going to stick with recent vintage Spider-Man. And this is from Spider-Man into the Spider-verse. sequence is my name is Peter B. Parker, Jake Johnson, when we learn about the backstory of his character. And I guess this is, this is what I'm looking for or something that I need from these scenes in order to make my list anyway, Josh, that subversion of expectations. We're not used to seeing Spider-Man with the five o'clock shadow or with the B in his name. So something's a little bit off. Our spidey sense is tingling a little, but he more or less looks like the Spider-Man we know from the movies.

Everything's checking out. He even says, let's do this one last time, suggesting that he's going to give us the familiar yarn. Let's just bring you up to speed, but it's everything you already know. And as he's saying it, the story and the imagery lines up, including a scene we may hear about later, right? the upside down kiss, the famous upside down kiss with MJ.

And his dialogue, the narration includes, You see, I saved the city, fell in love. Okay, I got married. Well, that's maybe a new wrinkle, but I can buy that. Save the city some more, maybe too much. I'm still buying this. I'm thinking, congratulations, Spidey. I'm glad things worked out.

You fell in love. And then. I'm pretty sure you know the rest. You see, I saved the city, fell in love, I got married, saved the city some more, maybe too much. My marriage got testy, made some dicey money choices, don't invest in a spider-themed restaurant. Then like 15 years past blah, blah, blah, super barn, I broke my back, a drone flew into my face. I buried Aunt May. My wife and I split up, but I handled it like a champion.

It's the part about the marriage getting testy and making some dicey money choices. and him warning us, Josh, to not invest in any spider-themed restaurants. Did you know, Josh, that seahorses mate for life? I can't imagine a seahorse seeing another seahorse and baking it work. This is funny stuff, genuinely funny stuff. And even though those movies, these superhero movies, are largely about the conflict between two identities, trying to reconcile being a hero versus just being a man.

I don't think any of us actually do really consider the possibility that any of these heroes are ever going to be washed up. And so this movie makes us think about that. And the ironic juxtapositions of the visuals and Peter's narration, I remember seeing as in the theater and laughing out loud at it, but I handled it like a chance. and he's sobbing in the shower. And no matter how many times I get hit, I always get back up and he's just, you know, crouched in bed completely despondent. The way to that Jake Johnson lowers his voice at the beginning.

He's talking in that normal kind of Jake Johnson way. But then when he says, the one and only Spider-Man. The one and only Spider-Man. As if he knows as the character, he has to say it with some authority. but he also means it. It's not just out of some sense of duty. It's not performative. He wants to put that authority behind it.

I think that's why Johnson is so perfect in that role as Peter B. Parker is that he is inherently an ironic actor. There's always an element of winking at the audience, but he does not overplay it at all. There is something still deeply genuine that he brings to. certainly this character. And I think this scene for me may be a microcosm of of Spider-Verse, where I remember not only finding it legitimately hilarious, but also I was shaking my head at how the filmmakers took something, took a narrative and took imagery that was so familiar and made it feel brand new. Yeah, that quality of Jake Johnson's performance, I think works really well with the progression you get in this scene because it does start out, as you were saying, with the familiar

things in showing us what we knew or we've heard in other iterations. And then there's the slight diversion. He starts to use euphemisms, right? Like the money thing. He doesn't exactly say what happened. It's way worse than the phrase he uses. And then, as you said, by the time the scene comes to its end, what he's saying is exactly the opposite of what we're seen. So that vocal quality works well with this progression towards complete denial that the visuals that the visuals are giving us. Yeah, so smart, such a smart movie, able to be funny and thrilling in so many ways. And, you know, even this character, I think, works well because he is a supporting character to this larger story we're telling. And so we can get these qualities before they become wrote or too

familiar or too much of a joke. Instead, they're informing the larger narrative in crucial ways, but also really entertaining ones like this scene. All right. So I need to jump back to my number four to get us back on track here. And I have a bit of a cheat here. I did this with Superman too. This is going to be a title sequence and theme song. I am choosing that from the Spider-Man animated series that ran from 1967 to 1970.

With the Superman list we did, I chose the opening for those Fleischer Studios shorts from 1941. A listener keyed me in on those, and I ended up watching. I don't know how many because they were just fascinating and had that great opening sequence. And part of my reasoning for picking it there is because that sequence from 1941 cemented crucial qualities of the Superman character in our collective imagination. And I think this one, even though it's borrowing quite heavily from the comic books, this did so in the late 60s and onward. I mean, we were watching this, Adam, not during its initial run.

We would have been watching this maybe 10 years after on reruns, right? But it had been, I'm sure, playing this whole time for multiple generations of kids. So if you look at the Spider-Man, if you look at Spider-Man as a character, basically debuting in a Marvel comic in 62, got his first solo series in 63. And obviously that set the foundation for the character. But for me, born in 74, I think this was my first encounter with Spider-Man. That would be my guess. I didn't really read comic books for whatever reason until I was an adult, actually.

And so this Spider-Man cartoon was my first encounter and I was locked in. That opening has everything I wanted. It had the swinging. You talked about the web slinging radioactive blood. Sure. I probably had no idea what that meant, but sure. Sounds great. And yeah, lots and lots and lots of climbing.

And I think this also captures a quality that is a crucial one for Spider-Man beyond his youth, but maybe related. That's emphasized here. He was friendly. He was a friendly Spider-Man. The lyrics are telling us this. but the image I'll never forget. It's this great little bit, kind of a winking bit in this opening credit sequence where he's swinging through the air and we get a close-up and he just waves to the, you know, quote-unquote camera, waving, weaving at me, you know, like six or seven-year-old, me, however old I was, there was this superhero who paused in his heroics to give me a little wave. So it's a delightful piece of Spider-Ran iconography.

It still resonates today. This is where the Spider-Man pointing at himself meme comes from. So I did have to have it on my list, even though it's from a TV series. Yeah, watching that clip just a little bit earlier today definitely took me back. Talk about a wave of nostalgia. It did bring me back to my childhood. My number three is from Spider-Man 2, Sam Ramey's Spider-Man 2. and it's the planetarium party.

I have to give credit to the host of FilmSpotting SVU, one of the hosts of FilmSpotting SVU, Matt Singer, for reminding me of this scene. And the way I was reminded of this scene, Josh, is via our upcoming episode of movie DeathMatch. This will drop in listeners' feed. If you follow FilmSpotting, it will drop in your feed on Monday,

August 3rd, with Brand New Day. coming out. We did a death match between what a lot of people contend are the two best Spider-Man movies, old school Spider-Man 2 and new school into the Spider-Verse. Matt advocating for Spider-Man 2, Daisy Rosario, defending into the Spider-Verse. Had a really great conversation about it. Again, that show will be coming into your feed soon. Matt mentions a scene from Spider-Man to. And when I was scanning through the movie and I went back and broke this scene down, I knew it had to be on my list. And the reason why Matt brought it up in the context of Death Match is he was mentioning how during this scene, you really recognize Sam Ramey's sadistic

tendencies as a director, how they really come out. And we'll get into that because this is the scene that's this big high society gala. And Peter has been hired by Jay Jonah Jameson to be the photographer for the event. There is a lot of story unfolding here. Harry Osborne and Peter are fighting about Spider-Man. Peter is watching MJ. He doesn't know it when he gets there, but Peter is watching MJ get engaged to another man, John Jameson.

And it all could have just unfolded rendering all of that drama with a very dramatic expression. Like, I honestly could have picked this scene, Josh, forgetting all the sadistic stuff and just focusing on this moment. It could be a top five contender, just for the moment, the dramatic expression of Peter's torment

when he has to watch MJ descend the staircase with John. Hearing about this perfect man and then seeing her so happy, well, seemingly happy as she comes down the stairs, and the way camera and editing

worked together, kind of swirling around him to show how devastated he is. It's very, very effective. But where this scene really becomes special for me is that it could have just been all of that. It could have been just about showing his heartache and devastation. But what layers does Sam Ramey add being Sam Ramey? And I assume it's a Ramey touch here because it could have been written into the script by David Kep, but not only do I trust Matt Singer, at least in giving the credit to Ramey,

it also is part of it, Josh, where there's no dialogue. It's all just physical action that happens. So here again, I'm going to give the credit to Ramey in the blocking. Think about everything that is going wrong for Peter at this point in the movie, beyond his best friend hating both him and Spider-Man, two parts of him, and MJ forsaking him for another guy. he's doubting whether he should continue to be a superhero at all and his powers are fading. He's at this low point, the lowest point he could possibly be.

How does Ramey portray the emotional ringer that Peter is going through? How everything he wants seems to be just out of his reach, how he is both part of society, but also excluded from it. well, the whole sequence begins with him walking into the party and seeing one last hors d'oeuvre on a tray and, and reaching for it. And right as he reaches for it, someone else comes along and grabs it. So there you go. He can't get just that little treat that he wants. Okay, fine. Then he sees, we have that great mini sequence where he sees MJ arm and arm with this.

perfect man, it seems John. So he goes outside. Another waitress walking around with a tray. This one Randy shoots it so it's at his exact eye level, like almost beckoning him to come over and take it. One more on the tray. Same thing.

Someone grabs it just before. Like he can't even get a bite of food here at this party, Josh. It's that bad. So now he's having a conversation outside with MJ. And she tells him off how this is just not going to work, that she has to move on, that she's going to have to, you know, go with this, this other, you know, why she's going with this other man. And another, a waiter passes by and, and they have one drink. And it seems like a fancy drink, you know, it's got a little tiki hut or something in it. And he reaches for it, parched, goes to take the large gulp. And it's an empty. It's somebody's empty glass. He can't even get his, his, his thirst satisfied there in the moment. And as if that wasn't bad enough,

we get that followed by the indignity of Harry slapping him twice. And then he has to take a photo of the newly engaged MJ and John. So I don't know, sadist might be putting it mildly. Ramey's a monster when you watch this scene in terms of the way he treats Peter Parker over the course of this four or five minutes. It's kind of horrible, but also undeniably funny watching poor Peter at all these little steps get denied. When the poor guy just wants like a crab cake and a drink of whatever is in that in that glass. But that's the sensibility that like I said, almost certainly wasn't in the script that an imaginative director like Ramey brings to those films that makes those first.

those first two films in particular, but parts of the third film as well that makes those films so special. Yeah, and the comic aspect is related to, you know, slapstick. There's a slapstick element, maybe a slower, slower pace slapstick going on here, which I think of as a part of Ramey's style as well. And yeah, can't wait to hear that episode with Matt. We should repeat and mention maybe to plug more his book, Spider-Man, Marvel's Spider-Man, from Amazing to Spectacular. It's really, I mean, there's so much.

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And listen now. Before we get to our top two, we would like to remind you that you can find all of our picks and all of our top five lists over at our top five archive, filmspotting.net. Just click on lists right there at the top of the page.

We also do link to these scenes whenever we do have the clips available. And I think with all of our picks, for this list, the scenes are available if you'd like to watch along as we discuss them. Let's also take a minute, Josh, to thank the FilmSpotting Family. Membership is the single largest support, source of support for the show. It does keep us doing what we've been doing for over 21 years, and we normally shout out a couple of Film Spotting Family members.

We will get back to doing that. but we wanted to highlight again summer madness summer film spotting family madness the best of the 1920s and 30s when we left off I think maybe we were announcing the playing round but with our week off we did have round one it played out and we should give some props I suppose to the selection committee in this case myself and Sam because all the favorites won as I thought would happen. Sure. It wasn't a case of any major upsets here.

We did have the favorites advance, though there were a couple close matchups. That does mean that round two is live as we are recording this. There are eight matchups then. And that includes the Wizard of Oz versus Chaplin's modern times, metropolis versus King Kong, the passion of Joan of Arc versus bringing up baby. I mean, I can vote fairly easily in all three of them. those. What about you? Well, this is, this is basically asking me to rethink and agonize over my sight and sound top 10 of all time list. You're right. You're right. And the constantly shifting

order because I believe Wizard of Oz, Modern Times, King Kong, Metropolis, I think all four of those have either been on my top 10 of all time list or circling that honor in the various iterations we've done over the years on the show here. So, um, I don't know how to start thinking about this. I'm going to need a little bit of a little bit of time. I can say Passion of Joan of Arc versus bringing up baby. That's the easy one for me because I only like bringing up baby. Whereas Passion of Joan of Arc, you know, it's Alzheimer.

So that's an easy answer for me. I don't know where I'm going to go with the other ones, how to even begin thinking about it, which is, I suppose, why we do this thing? Yeah, well, that's part of it. And certainly a reason why we do madness proper on the show, we've always said, is discovery. Even though sometimes we're talking about movies you would think everyone knows when we've been doing more recent decades. As we go farther back, it is about sharing titles that maybe some of our audience hasn't seen. And in some cases, we haven't seen.

and we're doing the homework that we need to do as well. So case in point, David Colb, a listener who is a film spotting family member participating in this madness and had a comment in the film spotting discord that we wanted to share. And this, Josh, you can read it. This is an example. It's an interesting query that we can just throw out to film spotting listeners to consider. But also, I think it just speaks to why we do tournament. Like this, silly madness tournaments like this because of a reaction that David could have to a film like The Passion of Joan of Arc. David says, I caught up with the passion of Joan of Arc for this tournament and I'm confident I will be voting for it as long as it survives.

One of my all-time great home viewing experiences in a film I could see putting in my letterbox top four at some point. That said, a significant part of my love for the film was the score that Criterion uses, which is a 1990s classical work performed by the voices of Life. ensemble that was written to accompany the film. For the purposes of this tournament, how do you all evaluate silent films that have soundtracks that were written much later? Is it possible to separate these aspects of the film? And if so, should we?

Well, thank you, David, for participating and yet taking the time to watch Joan of Eric. This is a question that has long bedeviled me. And I've avoided trying to come up with a conclusive answer. because oftentimes when you're trying to track down older films like this, your viewing options are limited, let alone your score options. But I think it's a really important question. And I'm sure a film historian would have a decisive opinion on it.

I think my instinct usually, if I'm looking for options, is if there is any sort of original. Now, with silent films, of course, there's no like original original, right? But if there has been historical work done where this piece was often used to accompany, you know, the earliest screenings of the silent film that we can go back and actually pinpoint, then I would go with that just to kind of be sort of a purist historically. But there are many films that, older films that have used contemporary scores in the way. the one David is talking about that probably work better and sound better and serve the story better. So I don't know if the historical purity route is necessarily the best defense. It is so tough, but maybe this is obvious and not really what David is getting into because I understand, as you're suggesting, there's a larger philosophical conundrum here. But for the purposes of something like madness, your choice is your choice and it's what you're limited to.

It may simply be a case that if you only have access to something like the criterion version of it with the score and for our arbitrary needs, you're weighing it against the adventures of Robin Hood and you watch both films and you have to pick one that you like more, all you can do is go off the version of the passion of Joan of art that you saw. And I don't need to overthink it anymore, any more than that. I think we always want to default to as close to original versions as we can find of something. But if it proves to be too difficult, I don't know what else you can do. Right. So it is a very interesting question. And I haven't had a chance yet to look. I'm curious what people in the film Spotting Family Discord have had to say in response to David.

I will check that out. Other FilmSpotting Family members can do that as well because they have access to that Discord. They have access to the tournament. They get other benefits like our FilmSpotting Family newsletter where these matchups and the polls go live. Every week you can get access to all of this stuff, including our monthly bonus shows for as little as $5 a month. And we do have a current promotion going on now where it's even less than that through the month of August, our summer promotion. and all you have to do is use the promo code summer, you'll get 20% off any film spotting family membership.

That's any monthly or annual membership, 20% off through August, just use the promo code summer. We thank all of our film spotting family members for their support. A couple of quick notes before we round out our top five Spider-Man scenes. We have two more picks left. You brought to my attention a really fine article by Richard Roper, talking about something, I don't know how many of our listeners are aware of. They've maybe heard about it a little bit over the years, this, this mysterious Lake Street screening room that the two of us have both had the honor, quite frankly, the privilege of sitting in. And it does seem, it's maybe not imminent. We don't know the exact route it's going to take or what the timing is going to be, but it does certainly seem based on Richard Roper's article, which we will link to in our show notes if you would like to read it. It does seem like the Lake Street screening room may be no more, which is really sad to think of when you consider all the history that is in that room.

So this may be a little inside baseball, but hey, this is a film criticism show. And it's something that we did want to spend a minute on. We have to. The history is so rich. This article by Richard Roper is really good, just very reflective. And based on my experience attending there over the, I guess, decades now captures it, quite well. So we'll link to it. It's at roger ebert.com appropriately because this was the home of Roger Ebert and jean ciscoll from the early newspaper years all throughout their television show.

And I do remember when I first got a chance to go, probably mid to late 90s, maybe a 40 seat. It's probably in the article. I should know this offhand, but not a very big room. And when I got a chance to go writing a freelance movie review for a newspaper, feeling like I was entering the Holy of Holies. Yeah. Because they were all there. Ebert and Siskel, but also at the time, Michael Wilmington, Chicago Tribune critic as well, alongside Siskel. Jonathan Rosenbaum, Chicago Reader critic.

I mean, people I had been, had grown up reading religiously. And here I was sitting in an intimidatingly small screening room with them. And so it was that. It was also just the idiosyncratic nature of it. It's in this high rise, you know, in the middle. 16th floor of an unassuming high rise, which I think the building's being sold, which is why the occasion for this article or it has been sold. And yeah, you just walked in and you'd go up and there would be this room and there'd be all these folks and you'd get to watch these movies in advance. And it's faded.

You know, I think I've only been there once maybe within the last. year or so. More screenings are being held just in, you know, larger theater chains around the city. And yeah, the quality is the other thing of the presentation, though. And Richard Groper interviews, Steve Krause, who's been the projectionists and really the running the whole space all this time. And you just knew that it was going to be pristine, no matter what the format. And that's something, you know, when you're going to a wider chain for press screenings, you don't always get. Let's just say the framing for the Odyssey press screening was a little bit, you know, it wasn't quite even on the screen. It wasn't disastrous.

We got the whole picture. But just being there reminded me again of what you would get from the Lake Street screening room. So, yeah, I don't know if were we ever there together, Adam? I think by the time I was doing the show, it was being used less and less. but I'm sure there were a couple instances where we caught something there. Absolutely. There were. And it's so funny how over the years now, it's hard to remember exactly how many times.

But I know for sure because I remember referencing, and this doesn't happen very often that I do this, but I remember referencing the muted response to the Grand Budapest Hotel the first time I reviewed it. And it was the critic's response in the room. And we were all together watching it in the Lake Street. screening room the first time I saw that movie. I think late 2006, early 2007, so just about a year and a half or two years into film spotting was when we finally did get access to that room. And absolutely feeling like you had arrived. And you especially felt like you'd arrived when you walk in and there's Roger Ebert. And no one had to tell you that that was his play. in the back. You knew that if he was sitting there, that had to be his spot and he was going to sit there every time and you would not ever dare to sit in that seat.

And I did pretty much always find a seat just in like the third row middle. But that's the other thing about this that I did want to mention, Josh, is that I think when you hear about this place and you think about like Siskel and Evert being here at this private screening room. for critics. The image in your mind, you talk about the great presentation, which it was, the image in your mind is of this pristine, immaculate sort of place. And it's not that it was run down or tawdry or anything, but it also always felt to me just very working class and just very much a space where working, working critics were there to see the movie they had to see

and then go do the work that they had to do in response to that movie. It wasn't there to be some howloughed movie house. It was there to project to you a good picture and good sound and a comfortable seat. It was not gilded and there was a lot of food being brought in. No. I can remember, you know, in my heyday when I was, you know, working as a daily critic, I would see three in a day. you'd have 15 minutes between the 10 a.m. got out and the 12.15 would start to run down to a hot dog stand and bring it back up before the next one started. So there's a lot of crinkling of papers. And yeah, you're right. It was not like this hallowed museum, which was part of its charm. And it's interesting you mentioned that about the hushed reception to Grand Budapest Hotel. You know, one of the things I do appreciate about these larger screenings we have more often now, often with audiences,

who have won tickets to see it is there's not that sort of, and this didn't always happen, but that sort of reserved air of caution that would definitely be in that room. And I was a part of it. Like, you know, especially when you're new, you don't want your, your reactions to be heard by Roger. Because what if he's not feeling the same? You know, so you're dealing with that sort of thing.

And I think that just kind of became, or people just wanted to keep their reactions close, you know, not let it. known, let it be known how they feel about the movie, which is maybe one of the downsides of a situation like that compared to a bigger theater where you can let loose a little bit. But yeah, you know, there probably won't be anything like it, again, just the way media has gone and, you know, film, film reviewing and the whole, the whole process has changed. There's, you know, as many influencers as critics at some of these screenings now, which

which is fine, but it's just a different, it's a whole different experience than what could be had at the Lake Street screening room for sure. Again, we will link to the article in our show notes. It is a very interesting read if you're curious to check out Richard Roper's piece. We now move on to our deeply flawed film spotting poll. It probably is deeply flawed because we don't need all of these choices, but we're going to give them to you anyway. Your task is to choose one and only one Spider-Man film. guess that's how we do it. We're applying. It's unwritten here, but it is implicit that the incinerator is at work here, Josh, behind the scenes. And only one of these movies survive. So which

one is it in chronological order? The options are. Yeah, the incinerator has a generator. So it's never offline. Okay. So our option, Spider-Man 2002, Spider-Man 2 from 2004, into the Spider-Verse, Spider-Man Homecoming and then across the Spider-verse. So there's a couple of challenges here. We are going to include the option of other as well for you, Andrew Garfield fans. There's two things you have to decide. Am I going Spider-Verse or live-action? And then among that choice, which live action or which Spider-Verse?

I'm still thinking my way through this. So give me 20 seconds or so. Do you have, do you have an obvious way to go? I can banter a little bit, but I'm just going to stall as well because I've been thinking about this. But I was thinking about it before we'd even come to this poll question just as I was doing the top five list because I feel like I'm a little bit on the outside when it comes to the conventional wisdom on this. and that is that there's a reason why we picked for movie deathmatch and we did consider what various people had to say and consult various lists.

There's a reason why we picked to represent the live action. We pick Spider-Man 2 and there's a reason why we picked into the Spider-Verse. Now, part of picking into the Spider-verse may have actually had to do with it being the first animated one. And so it felt revolutionary and Spider-Man 2. actually felt more like the culmination, the pinnacle of what Ramey was doing. I'm not going to get into it any more than that, but that's my quick armchair assessment. For me, and I want to note, I have not rewatched other than scanning scenes for the top five. I have not sat and rewatched in one sitting, fully focused, taking notes for a review, Spider-Man 2. But I have done that fairly

recently with well fairly recently like eight years ago or whenever it was for spider or not eight years ago three years ago four years ago for spider man for spider man the original right because it was it's 20th anniversary in 2022 so that is that is lingering in my mind but my point is is that when I think about those first two movies I feel like the conventional wisdom is that spider man too is the greater achievement and spider man the first one is the one that is stronger in my memory. There are scenes that are, have, have stayed with me, Josh, in a greater way. And I feel like it, it has edged out Spider-Man 2 for me if I'm just picking between them.

So I'm off on that. And here's where I'm off on the animated films. Especially if you look at, which I did, if you look back at my notes for those two films, I have way more interesting things to say. and in my mind deeper things to say about across the spiderverse than I do into the spider verse across the spider verse connected with me

and resonated with me in a way more meaningful way than into the spider verse did now maybe maybe I just saw it on a better day and I was more in tune to what was happening and I was paying closer attention but I can't change that I had the deeper reaction to across the spider verse so I feel like

in both cases, I'm going against the grain a little bit. I think you're right. That consensus would say, not overall, but between the live action, Spider-Man 2, I'm not sure. I don't have a good sense for which Spider-verse is considered better. It might be across, as you're saying, I'm going to lean on, and I know it's not in the language here we just presented, but somewhere, maybe it was in Slack. Somewhere, I think Sam used the word definitive.

And I'm latching on to that because I found it very helpful. It's going to help me weave a path towards my choice here. I think one of the Spider-Verse films are probably better as films, just in terms of the inventiveness, the craft, and the live action have these, but the level at which it's operating, inventiveness craft, visual elements, and balance of action and humor. One of those is probably the better film. But I'm going to stick with definitive.

And for me, neither of those is possible. Those are the movies we need now, where we've been churning our way through superheroes, let alone Spider-Man, for decades now. We need those types of movies now that are rethinking the entire superhero project in very smart and entertaining ways, not exhaustive ways,

which we've also seen elsewhere. But definitive, for me, I go back to live action. And I do, as well as you, go back to the first Spider-Man. I just think it's where, and maybe we should get back to our list soon because I think we'll be talking about this with one of the picks. It's where what I had been waiting for my whole life to see on the big screen and hoping they wouldn't mess it up. And not only did they not mess it up, but they actually made it work. And so that's why I'm going to go back to the first for Spider-Man. That is where I'm going to vote as well.

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It turns out that there is some love for Andrew Garfield's, Spider-Man. man and it comes from a bona fide expert on spider man let's go ahead and hear the credentials and the choice of drew jeffreys i film spotting long-time listener drew jeffreys here so i teach a university class on superhero films i'm also the author of an academic book called comic book film style but perhaps more pertinent to this week's top five i also have that meme with the two Spider-Man pointing at each other, literally tattooed on my body. I have one Spider-Man on each thigh. So when I found out y'all were doing your top five Spider-Man scenes, I knew I had to send in a quick note. Now, I have love for every iteration of Spider-Man, but the Andrew Gartield of Stone, amazing Spider-Man, is actually at the top of my list.

In part, I just find their chemistry as a couple to be so undeniable. I'd actually put them at number one on my personal list of of movie couples, full stop. And no offense, but you're wrong. You're wrong about us being on different paths. You're not on different paths. You're my path. And you're always going to be my path. But I'm going with a more traditional Spidey scene for my pick,

which is a swing scene across New York City. This one comes towards the end of the movie. Spidey's hurt. He needs a bit of help to swing over to Oscorp to save the day. And wouldn't you know it, the cranes reconstructing the city all, start slowly turning inward, giving our guys something to swing from. Cue the water works for me every damn time.

Superhero movies are so bound up with the post-9-11 moment, but this scene really beautifully articulates the United We Stand ethos, instead of just restaging the attacks themselves, as movies like Batman Begins or The Avengers or Man of Steel would do. Anyway, I can't wait to hear your picks. Thanks, guys. There it is. Andrew Garfield, Mark Webb, Spider-Man's.

They're not going to come up in any of our top two picks, but Drew did get that choice in. And I don't think you can argue with his credentials. I think he makes a compelling choice there. And I said it earlier, Josh, that even the bad ones, and I don't think the amazing Spider-Man, the first one is necessarily one of the bad ones. It may not be one of the better ones, but it's not a terrible movie. but it has a moment like that. And Drew is right. It has a moment like that, a nice visual moment like that where those cranes come together

and you go, oh, a Spider-Man movie can give me a nice touch like that with that character. And it speaks to what you said earlier, that intimate connection between Spider-Man and the citizenry of New York. Well, thank you for the voicemail, Drew, but where's the photo? I mean, I'm not saying I don't believe you. but when we did our top five movies tattoos we would get, we were flooded with braver souls who have gotten their movie tattoos. Tatus, they would send pictures. Oh, I bet it's coming now.

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about something for the film spotting family discord. Can't wait to see it up there, Drew. Thank you. Drew, you know the email address. Yeah, you know the email address. We do appreciate the feedback. Let's get to our final two choices, Josh.

your number two Spider-Man scene. Let's get back to praise for 2002's Spider-Man, and it's the upside-down kiss. When I started re-watching and researching this pick at him, because I knew it was going to be on my list, I really expected to find out that the scene, or at least the image, at least this image, was pulled from a comic book run at one point that I wasn't aware of. But apparently not. What I did find was a 2022 Ringer article that was a deep dive just on this scene, written by Jake Kring Shrethels. And in there, he talks a little bit about how the scene came about.

Doesn't mention that it appeared in a comics, a comic run earlier, maybe a listener might know of something similar that they can share. We'll link to this as well if you want all the details on this deep dive. But basically the moment arose after director Sam Ramey scrap plans to film a fairly standard kiss atop Rockefeller Center. And so they were looking for another option. And second unit director and storyboard artist Doug Leffler thought about some earlier jobs he'd been on, earlier work he had done that featured characters falling into the frame. And so that was in his mind.

And he started sketching out possibilities. and he sketched out the basics for this scene. So this is Toby McGuire's Peter lowering himself next to Kristen Dunst, Mary Jane, in this rainy alley. You have a knack for getting in trouble. You'll have a knack for saving my life. I think I have a superhero stalker. I was in the neighborhood. And I can't really say much better why this works than what Kring Shreifles does in this article.

So let me quote here, if this is in the ringer. Within the context of the story, the scene is a cathartic release for Peter Parker, a rare opportunity to embrace his dual identity and be vulnerable with the girl he loves. On a much larger scale, it's one of the most iconic and romantic kisses in Hollywood history, a unique and asymmetrical composition of rain-soaked interlocked lips never seen before on the big screen. So I have this at number two. I do think this is another element of the character is the romantic. nature. And the only thing I'll say about a brand new day is that is definitely explored. If this is something you love about the Spider-Man and Peter Parker character, that is definitely explored in the new movie and brand new day, what that means for this iteration of

the character. But here, yeah, it is the composition and what it means in terms of character. And you have, when you think of this in terms of all the versions of Spyter, you know, man, it is such a unique, I mean, this idea of a spider man presents so many unique visual possibilities, it would be easy to just stop there and say the things we started with as kids. Like, wouldn't it be cool to see them swinging across the screen? We got it. We're good. But to take that next step and imagine ways for those visual possibilities to echo thematic ideas,

to echo emotional beats, to capture character quality. that's when you're really working at a higher level of artistry and in a single shot, really. I mean, there's a lot going on here that goes into this. I think Kirsten Dunst makes this a pretty sexy scene in the way she plays it, actually. So the actors are definitely involved in making this work. But just in a single shot in the framing to be able to invest it, infuse it with so much emotion and thematic purpose. for me makes it, you know, could easily be the number one for a lot of people probably is their number one, Spider-Man scene or moment. I have it here at number two.

Yeah. Tough not to put on my list. It's an honorable mention. It's what I was trying to say or we'll go back to with your number five, I believe, the stopping the train moment. There are some moments. There are reasons why you consider them Mount Rushmore type moments. They belong on that list. And from the train, Josh, it's not just them holding him, but even when he, when he faint,

and their hands, right? Hold them, hold them up. And here, that, that image is so vivid. And I understand why the ringer has devoted an entire article to it. I think for a lot of people, you're right. It probably is the number one scene. That said, everything you just articulated about it in terms of composition being so important. and taking the unique visual possibilities of a spider character so perfectly, even better, I think, applies to my number two.

It's like the filmmakers here in Spider-Man across the Spider-verse said, let's take that moment. And maybe they did, Josh, because it also involves characters who are upside down. they took that moment and said, how can we extend this even more? Extend the emotional and thematic possibilities of that imagery. And when you think about these films, so the moment is Miles and Gwen at the Williamsburg Clock Tower in across the Spider-Verse. In both of the films, there's plenty of examples of impressive animation, thrilling imagery, great action moments, but also just great compositions where you recognize the artist responsible for these films are elevating the craft.

And as you said earlier, talking about the poll questions that maybe in some ways these are even just better films. But for me, the single scene that best harnesses those capabilities is this scene. It's a reunion scene. It's been, I think, like a year and a half. since these two characters last saw each other. So they're catching up. They're feeling each other out, but they also know each other so well. They know each other in a way like great friends do and people who are connected the way they are.

They know each other uniquely. There's also that other dynamic at play where Miles has a crush on Gwen. Daniel Pemberton's score is so lovely during this sequence. They're high above the city. They're in this fantasy sort of realm. And it, everything about it captures the way you feel when you're seeing someone special to you who you haven't seen in a long time. And the director, Justin K. Thompson, he seems to want to keep it grounded in character. It's not about showing off with the animation, but it is about trying to heighten that, that sensation.

This, this fantasy sort of feeling, this special feeling that these two characters have. when they're together. And the first time we see them, it is kind of subtle, right? Because they're vertical in the frame. The first time we see them together, it feels like a normal shot. So, you and your dad.

It's a little off because the horizon is also vertical. We're not used to seeing horizons be vertical. And we can kind of start to put together that, oh, they must be walking sideways in a way that only characters like they could do. And then when Gwen starts walking backwards along the dome and we with the camera follow her almost like we're on a roller coaster, but a gentle roller coaster that's going over the edge with her is one of those kind of take your breath away moments. But not again, not in a roller coaster drop take your breath away, just kind of eases you into it. It's really something.

And then there's that incredible 180 degree move. that follows her as she moves to the underside of the ledge and she's standing upside down. And I honestly just love the tilt up then that we get where Miles is standing on top and she's sitting upside down. And it's still keeping some distance between them because I think it's still about, he is still trying to figure out how to kind of move into her space and how to fully reconnect with each other. So there's still some distance between them.

But then he does move closer and he joins her and they spend the next few minutes together talking while sitting upside down. I'm just a really emotionally intelligent guy. Beyond my ears. Some of the lines of dialogue in that scene while they're sitting there or just about to sit there together, I think really explain the motivation for the sequence and the way it's portrayed. At one point, Miles says, well, maybe some things are supposed to be just for us. And she says, how many people could you talk to about this stuff speaking to, again, that special connection, how they are obviously, they're different and there aren't a lot of people who have their special skills and they need each other. And if they are then these types of figures who are going to have an experience.

that are just, the experience is just for them. And they're going to talk about things that only they can talk about. Well, it makes sense that they would do it in an, in an environment, in a way that only they can do, that only they can have in a moment that only they can share, which is them high above the city sitting upside down. So the whole sequence for me evokes that, that they're having together this singular experience that is just for them. And then because of that,

we as viewers, it almost feels like a privilege that we get to be a part of it. It feels that intimate that we get to sit there and listen in on the conversation that they get to have. I did find a place, Josh, where the production designer said,

and I should find his full name, his last name's O'Keefe, but he talks about the artist Peter Chan, who did the majority of work on the sequence. He says, he did such a fantastic job, Peter is an artist that we traditionally use for the most colorful scenes possible because he has this ability to handle a wide variety of colors. For this scene, however, I challenged him to work with a more limited palette and pay very close attention to the

sensitivity of the sequence. There are lots and lots of very subtle but huge shifts happening here. The city never feels too flat or boring, although it feels magical and romantic. It's not telling you directly. The visuals are letting you feel the romanticism of the moment quietly. And I think that does get to part of why that that scene works. Again, for all of its showiness in some way, if you think about the way the camera is following the characters and that upside down things are happening, it is so quiet. At the end of the day, it is still such a quiet, beautiful scene. Yeah, there is a real sunset seeping through the clouds sense of the color here that that quote brings to mind. if listeners have not seen this scene, you really got to check it out.

We'll link to it in our show notes as we will for, I think, all the scenes for our picks because it's kind of hard to describe, right? But for all the reasons you laid out, and a few more I'll get to, this is why I have being upside down with Spider-Gwen as my number one. I have it ahead of the kiss. It's just mesmerizing and moving. Astute listeners will also remember I had it actually as much. my most moving moment at our 2023 rap party.

And so obviously it was going to be on this list. It was just a matter of where do I rank it with the others. And once I watched all of them again, I had to put it at the top. I do think to your point about the dialogue, Shameek Moore as Miles here and Haley Steinfeld as Spider-Gwen, I do think they're giving really good performances. And the character animation with him moving his hand slightly towards her is just so astute.

So in terms of performance, it's wonderful, but it really is a lot of what you were talking about, the visuals accentuating those emotions. I even like, I think the only thing I'll mention that you didn't. I don't think you mentioned Gwen's ponytail, how she puts her hair in a ponytail at the start. But then when that whole screen flips, essentially she looks like she's sitting upright, but her ponytail is poking way up in the air because of gravity, right? So it's just, it's clever. It's also orientating for us as the audience is it's like, it's okay. It's functional, but also like really kind of funny and cute. And then and then to have the skyline in the background be upside down with that

happening. It's like, okay, I, I, I, what's happening here? But okay, I think I know what's happening here. And your brain is, is registering all that. And it does, you know, it's dizzying and oddly beautiful, but it does. speak to what you're talking about. Their unique experiences, these are two teens whose worlds have been completely upended, literally and, you know, thematically, turned upside down. And this is what they're talking about here. The stresses, the pressures of these,

having these powers and what it means for their family relationships and their personal relationships. And to, yeah, to have that represented by the imagery alone. I really you know, I didn't think the movies could find a way to top the comic book cool and emotionality of the upside down kiss. But I think this, I think this scene from across the Spider-Verse manages it. So, yeah, number one for me.

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and how he applies them to this character, why these movies work so well. starting with Peter looking down at his hand and that extreme close-up of his fingertips with the microscopic hairs, it literally makes his superpowers tactile, which is something we complain about is these superhero movies not feeling that way, not feeling real, not feeling tangible. Here's where I said I was going to maybe mention the Amazing Spider-Man 2 again, the movie I needed to catch up with. and I watched it as my last film so I could cross off all these Spider-Man movies. It's definitely the worst of all of them, I would say, without revisiting all of them.

I would say it's the worst of them. And I bring it up in this context, Josh, because with my respects to our listener Drew, who says that these movies on the whole work and that he really likes Gwen and Peter as Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield portray them. I don't really have a problem with them. But I did spend most of the movie making that face Dennis Leary makes the whole movie

when he appears as the ghost of policemen past, who just appears every now and again with that scolding face where he just... He just appears and scowls at... I hope he got paid well to do that, like for just one day of work, just stand in front of a green screener, or whatever and scowl at Tom Holland or nobody. He was probably scowling it.

Or not Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield. He probably was scowling at nobody. I do hope Dennis Lerry got paid well for that day. That's how I felt mostly disappointed watching this movie. And my biggest disappointment was maybe that at no point did I feel, not just during the set pieces, the major set pieces, but during any single moment of Spider-Man being Spider-Man, at no point did I feel like I believed it. At every turn, the effects jolted me out of my suspension of disbelief.

It felt like they had to apply some kind of computer-cuterized moment, computer-generated effect at every single leap or wall climb, whatever it was. And it took me out of it at every turn. And here, Rainey is signaling to you, these hands are about to walk. up the wall and you're going to watch it. Yeah. It's going to be great. This is a fun sequence. It's a funny sequence.

But I think it's so memorable in part two because of of the layers that Ramey brings to it. You don't need a PhD in child psychology to read Spider-Man as a metaphor for puberty and adolescence with sudden physical transformations and the way that can be scary for young boys. And not surprisingly with Rainey, this sequence starts with some ominousness. It's in this dark kind of alley out of the sun. And he looks up and sees the spider in the web crawling around and there's barbed wire right next to it.

And the Danny Elfman's score even heightens that a little bit. And then when Peter initially starts crawling up the wall slowly, it doesn't feel like this joyous thing. It actually feels like something out of a horror movie. movie where a scary monster starts crawling slowly toward the main character and then picks up speed. But then once he fully realizes what he can do, that's where the excitement begins. And I suppose watching that sequence, Josh, the only part for me watching it again multiple times, you could be really nitpicky about is how real a couple of those jumps felt from the aerial shots.

But otherwise, I bought every single amazing move, Peter. It holds off. There. It completely holds up. And the webs and the web slinging feel real and don't feel like any kind of computer-generated effect. He's a kid acting like a kid. Like you believe a kid would act discovering these powers. And going back to where we began, every single one of us who aspired to be Spider-Man,

who dreamed about this moment, suddenly actually getting bitten by the radioactive Spider-Spyter. that when we put on our under roofs and thought, if only I could actually sling webs and crawl up the walls, in this moment, Ramey brought that to life for us. He delivered the confusion, but also the exhilaration that we imagined when we were kids. And I suppose that is a big part of why it will always be.

This movie, that's seen in particular, that's a big reason why this will be the definitive Spider-Man for me. Yeah, I remember watching this, in a press screening wasn't at the Lake Street Street Street room, but in a press screening. And my immediate reaction when this scene happened was they did it. Because you'd been hearing about this movie being in development for so long. And I didn't know if it could work until we saw the scene of Peter actually trying out his powers. And they pulled it off.

It absolutely worked. It was thrilling. It was funny as the character should be. All the things you said. It's my number six. It's, you know, the top honorable mention for me. I think it captures the genial enthusiasm, which is a core trait of the character as well. Sometimes some of these movies try a little too hard to force that into fights here and there, but it's perfect for this sequence where Peter's responses, yes, confused, maybe a little nervous, but mostly this genial enthusiasm.

And you mentioned the Elfman's score. The best part of it is when he started. it's crawling up that wall the way the music inches up the wall with him with him so yeah just a just a really great scene and my top honorable mention those are our top five spider man scenes we would love to hear your picks or any other comments about the show you can email us feedback at film spotting dot net once again you can find all of our choices and links to the scenes at filmspotting dot net just by clicking on lists right there at the top of the page. Josh, you did list one of your honorable mentions for us already. Do you have any others you would like to throw in?

Well, I feel like I should give a bone to the Andrew Garfield fans. I mean, you know, Drew came to his defense, but you've just, you've been scarred by your, your amazing Spider-Man too experience. So how about this? And it speaks to some of the things we're, we've been talking about. But in the amazing Spider-Man, there's a rescue sequence where Spider-Man convinces a kid who is in a car that's dangling from a bridge and he's trying to convince him to climb out and, you know, come to him, come to Safie. And the kid is scared. And what he does to convince him is he takes his masks and gives it to the kid and says, it'll make you strong. And I think that, you know, it's a really nice moment that also speaks to the intimacy that we've touched on. So I would say that for the Andrew Garfield run.

I feel like I need to acknowledge the Spider-Men reunion that takes place in Spider-Man No Way Home. I think that's not a super successful, I mean, I liked it okay, but a super-successful Spider-Man movie. And maybe it's a little hokey that all of the previous Spider-Men come to join Tom Holland, but if you are a completist or you have a long history with this. character. I'm sorry. It's kind of cool. I mean, what they asked the actors to do is kind of lame, but the idea is cool enough. Okay, so let's say that. The opening of Spider-Man across the universe

is essentially a mini Spider-Gwen movie. And it's wonderful. You talked about the color work in the scene we both picked with Miles and Spider-Gwen, but this, I think of that sequence where she's having that fight with her father and the background wall. just start dripping like watercolors. Incredible. Yeah, I think I'll go with those for my honorable mentions. Yeah, we have covered a lot of the same ground because I already mentioned to the RON your list, the upside down kiss scene, stopping the train.

Spider-Gwen was one that stood out to me, that opening. And you know what? I do or I am willing to give a nod to Peters reuniting in the. latest Spider-Man movie. Which one is that again? No Way Home. Is that what we're calling that? No Way Home, yes, from from 2021. In terms of one or two that you didn't mention, I do have a moment that I called out during our Spider-Man conversation, our 20-year anniversary conversation, where Aunt May chides Willem Defoe, who I think is great, chides Willem Defoe is Norman Osborne. I can't remember exactly what he says, but he says something that

that she gives him a little slap on the wrist and the way she does it and the way he reacts to it, he doesn't like, he doesn't like the way she puts him in his place. He's not used to that is really, is really great. Into the spider verse, I mean, this is one of those

iconic Mount Rushmore moments perhaps as well, but the leap of faith is another great visual and thematic moment as well. I thought, Josh, that I would and I did the research here. I thought that I would be able to find something from this was going to be my off the beaten path surprise Josh pick. You know, you went with the, I should have known it was coming now.

It's a trend. But just as you went with the theme music or the opening theme moment, I thought here's where I'm going to surprise Josh. I'm going to, even though this isn't that risky here or whatever, that much of a surprise, I'm going to go with a Spider-Man moment from one of the Avengers movies or Captain America. I thought about that. Yeah. Right. And I went back and watched every scene I could get my hand on. I thought surely one of these scenes, the relationship between him and Tony Stark. Yeah. His entrance is fun in that battle. They have such a bond. And who doesn't love Tony Stark? Who doesn't love Robert Downey Jr.? I'm surely going to find a scene that I love. It's going to jog my memory and I'm going to, I'm going to feel like I have to put this in my top five. And not only did I not find a scene from Civil War or Infinity War or Endgame that made my top five. I, this is the honorable mention I'm giving it, is that I really couldn't find one. A single scene from any of those movies, Josh.

Your honorable mention is that he does appear in the Avengers movies. He appears in those movies. So maybe that's some feedback I'm looking for from listeners in general, but you can give us any feedback on the list, but specifically, is there? something, is there a key scene for many of those? And I know, I know there's, there's the death scene and there's the, there's the, there's the coming back to life scene, but those don't stand out to me. I mean, in the moment and in the context, I think they're, I think they're very effective. I think his return is quite moving. And I think his presence, what he brings, just even as a character to that battle scene, it's like at an airport or something like that, right? Yeah.

In Civil War, I think, is a nice, there's some nice levity. there with what else we're getting. So I think he's quite good and a welcome presence in all those movies. I just didn't have anything from them that could rival, you know, ricks that we made. Okay. Once again, our top five Spider-Man scenes. Email us yours. Feedback at filmspotting.net.

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Okay, I was interested. Wow. Now I'm more interested. Boyhood is being re-released, unfortunately, only in Alamo draft house theaters and other independent chains. It does say other independent chains, but not one near me, Josh. I can't see that beloved film of mine back in theaters. The Kidnapping of Arabella is a new film from Italian writer-director,

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Coreta, I am interested. Outwide is Spider-Man brand new day. So next week, you can't expect more Spider-Man talk. We will get to the latest Spider-Man movie starring Tom Holland. Next week in the film spotting feed, that's our show on Friday. Monday is episode three of the movie Death Match. It is a lot of Spitey. Sorry.

Hopefully you'll be interested. Great conversation, though. Matt Singer and Daisy Rosario about Spider-Man 2 and Into the Spider-Verse. See which one gets crowned the definitive Spider-Man movie. It's going to be one of those two. Host Chris Clemock has to be the judge and make that tough call. And Josh, that's it because it's break time for the next picture show and film spotting SVU.

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