Technology, Connected - Is Democratizing AI Really Possible? Rajeev Kapur

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

A 16-year-old in Barcelona dropped out of school, fell in love with ChatGPT, and built a $2 million business selling nasal breathing strips with a single employee in the Philippines. A small-town tax company in South Carolina used AI to automate W-2 processing and is now on track to do five times its previous volume. A chef who used to spend a day rejigging menus for guests with allergies now does it in a minute. The story isn't that AI is powerful. The story is that it's free, on a phone, and the gap between a kid in Nogales, Arizona and a kid heading to Harvard is now an internet connection and the ability to ask the right question. On this episode of Thinking on Paper, we talk with Rajeev Kapur, author of Prompting Made Simple, AI Made Simple, and Chase Greatness, recently named by Forbes as the number one leader bringing AI to everyone, and founder of the Kapur Parada Center of AI in Arizona. Kapur walks us through why a great prompt is not a sentence but a 300-to-400-word piece of storytelling, why ChatGPT is an answer engine and not a search engine, and how the winners of the next decade won't be the ones with access to AI but the ones who know how to talk to it. Along the way: persona-based prompting and how to ask Einstein to teach you calculus, the small-business case studies that show what AI does when you point it at a real problem, the mental-health use case Kapur stress-tested with a CEO in crisis, and why storytelling and critical thinking just became the two most economically valuable skills you can develop.--🕓 TIMESTAMPSTrailer: (00:00)How Do We Democratize AI: (02:30)Case Studies: How AI Is Being Used By Business Today: (05:44)Outsourcing and AI Transform Businesses: (06:31) How To Prompt Better: (08:08)Using ChatGPT For Mental Health: (09:25)AIs Manipulation Of Empathy: (13:44) AI Advice For Parents: (14:49)Deepfakes & Guardrails: (19:45)Entrepreneur Spikes (26:19)What Should Humans Be? (28:28) --Other ways to connect with us:⁠Listen to every podcast⁠Follow us on ⁠Instagram⁠Follow us on ⁠X⁠Follow Mark on ⁠LinkedIn⁠Follow Jeremy on ⁠LinkedIn⁠Read our ⁠Substack⁠Email: [e-mail] on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEuQmPcqJ8

I'm super bullish. I'm excited about the future where I think we're actually going to enter into a new age of enlightenment period. If you think about what proceeded the first industrial revolution was actually the age of enlightenment, where you saw new human reasoning, you saw science expanding. In our case, using AI to cure cancers and diseases. I have to develop critical thinking skills. You have to develop storytelling. You have to develop these things. Because the more you do that, the more powerful you're going to be in how you use AI. The winners of the future are not going to be the ones that just have access to AI. the winners of the future are going to be the ones who know how to really be storytellers and AI. Help me build a business plan. Help me think through launching a new company.

The student in rural Africa can access the same quality of instruction, the same opportunity to grow, the same opportunity to build a business as somebody sitting in Silicon Valley. Parenting in the scale of technology is crazy. How did they keep up with us? You shouldn't shy away from the technology. China is making AI learning mandatory for all kids six years, six years and up. He fakes as a biggest challenge is nuclear weapon. The ultimate question here is that, you know, are we going to use AI to build a utopian future? Are we going to reuse it to build a dystopian future? How do we democratize access to AI? Disruptors and Curious Minds.

Welcome to another episode of Thinking on Paper where we unpack the future with the people building it. My name's Jeremy. This is Mark. We got a great discussion today. We're continuing down the thread of AI and humanity. Mark, what are we getting into? The democratization of AI, the real democratization of AI. for the people in the favelas and the slums of Bella Horizonte

to the farming communities of every state in the world. How do we get access? How do they get access to artificial intelligence and use it? And I don't mean as an afterthought in 10 years when the landscape has been designing now. And our guest is going to help us answer that our guest is Rajiv Kapoor. He's the author of Prompting Made Simple,

AI Made Simple and Chase Greatness. He was recently recognized as the Natives. number one leader bringing AI to everyone by Forbes and has recently opened the Kapoor Parada Center of AI in Arizona to expand access to learning through AI. Rajiv, welcome to thinking on paper. Thank you for thinking on paper with us. How do we democratize access to AI? Let's start big and go from there. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. Well, first of all, guys, thank you very much. So here's the thing. I think to understand how to we democratize this, people, People have to just really mentally accept the fact that as long as you have a smartphone and you can get into the Apple store or the Google Play Store and you can download the chat GPT app or you can download the Gemini app.

You now have access to everything that a super wealthy person or somebody growing up and that's getting ready to go to Harvard has access to. It can put role class education, mentorship, tools into the hands of anybody that has an internet connection. So if you are a young person in Nogales, Arizona, and we'll talk about why I open that center in a minute, but let's just talk about them for a second. You can now go there and you can say, hey, chat GPT, I need you to be a business coach and be Mark Cuban or be Steve Jobs or be whomever you feel or you look up to and help me build a business plan. Help me think through launching a new company. You can go to ChatchipT or Gemini or Claude and say, hey, please, I really am struggling with my business plan. I really am struggling with my business plan. I'm going to chat cheap. I'm struggling with my business plan. I'm calculus homework, please take on the persona of Albert Einstein and teach me step by step how to deal with this problem or the situation or this case. That level the playing field between the largest cities in the world to the smallest cities and villages in the world. Student in rural Africa can access the same quality of instruction, the same opportunity to grow, the same opportunity to build a business as somebody sitting in Silicon Valley. So I'll give

you another small example. I'm a member of this group called WIPO and I was in Barcelona earlier this year and I met a friend with this guy and he came up to me because, Rajeev, I have this amazing show way to tell you. I go, what's up? My son is 18 and he just dropped out of school. And he's so excited. I'm like, you sound very excited

that your son just dropped out of school. He goes, no, no, you don't understand. When he was 16, Chimiti came out and he fell in love with it. Like, he started using it like crazy. And over the last two years, he's been building a business all by himself. So what he did was he used ChachyPT

to build a new type of nasal breathing strip. Help prevent snort, and help reduce snoring. So he used that. He then used Canva AI to do all the marketing. He used Chachabee to help him figure out the scripts for TikTok and Instagram. This kid, 18 years old, has one employee in the Philippines to handle customer service returns. He's going to do over $2 million in revenue this year. It could be anybody who does that, a company that can compete with the largest companies in the world. And there's nothing that can stop them. And then when we started thinking about that Kapoor Center that opened up,

I was talking to the school superintendent and to some of the folks there. I said, have you guys ever thought about bringing AI to more and more of the folks here and they're like, we don't know what to do. I said, do you guys have an empty room? And they said, yeah, we have an empty room and went looked at it. And I said, would you guys ever think about turning this into a little AI development center? And they said, yeah, sure, I said, I'll tell you what. I will donate the computers. I'll donate the printer. I'll upgrade to the Wi-Fi. I'll give you guys everything you need. I'll donate the chat safety subscriptions. I'll give you my books. I'll come in. I'll do a train the trainer session. I did that. Train seven people. I think they've had three training classes come through there

and it's open to teachers, administrators, people in the community that want to sign up and come to it. So it's exciting. How do you help people apply this game-changing technology to their mission? In terms of how to apply it, the first thing you want to just do is understand the power, the capability of what it can do. And that's where prompting comes in.

You don't need to know how the sausage is made. And what you need to know is how to communicate with AI to use it for your advantage. I recently worked with a small business. we use that you need to basically help think about opportunities that could become AI-fying the future for tax companies. Eventually, you kind of came up this idea, this business plan about why don't you build a little AI application that on January 1st, every one of your current clients automatically gets an email with a link that already has all their taxes pre-populated for the past year. They use AI and OCR to integrate the W-2 into the online platform. they then submit it. Now here's the thing. They have a couple of employees in the Philippines help process these tax returns. What they found was that by doing this, they can 5x the size of

their company because instead of processing a couple of tax returns a day, they can now process five times as many tax returns a day. So they literally are right now on the path that spending more money on marketing, more money in industry, more money on TikTok to be able to go do these things. Another example, I recently worked with a chef. And the chef, she has a small little restaurant and she also does private catering. But the thing that drives her business absolutely crazy is what happens when people come in and they need to order off menu or she's doing a big party for somebody. And all of a sudden, somebody's allergic to onions or somebody's got something where they don't eat gluten or whatever it might be. And it really throws her whole operation in the past. It would take her a day

to figure out what to do, like how to adjust a menu, how to change things, you know, how to reprice thing, whatever it might be. Now she'll take her menu, she'll put it in Chachapiti, say, hey, Chachapit, this person is allergic to onions. What's something I can do with this menu and still create the same thing where I don't have to go change the whole thing just for that? Something that normally would have taken her a day or so to refigure, rejigger. She can now rejigger in one minute. It's not about saying, how do I now apply it? It's about, okay, how do I apply it and augment what I do? And then if you can do that, you can do the one thing money can do, which is by time. There's two educational layers to this, Jeremy, there's like, how do people learn to know that AI even exists? And then the

people who are aware of it and they don't know how to use it. Rajee, you wrote the book, prompting made simple. People who are familiar with AI, people who are using it every day, people like me, people like Jeremy. What do we get wrong about prompting? And how should we think about it and how can we improve very quickly our prompting? I would say early on, people were using chat sheet BT in these tools as a search engine. It's not a search engine. It's not a search engine. It's an answer engine. The biggest mistake people are making is they're not realizing that this is a way, this is a conversational tool.

The average prompt, the average good prompt is not just a sentence. It's about three to 400 words, a really good detail thought out prompt. Now, people don't like to sit in front of a computer or on their phones and type out three, 400 words. A life hack for prompting is that if you get stuck somewhere, you can ask CHAPT to review your prompt and say, hey, how do I improve this prompt? But the most important thing to understand and realize is that you have to become a storyteller. If you think about skill sets to develop for the future, storytelling is going to have to

become a major skill set that you have to develop. I know people worry about critical thinking. You have to develop critical thinking skills. You have to develop storytelling. You have to develop these things. Because the more you do that, the more powerful you're going to be in how you use AI. The winners of the future are not going to be the ones that just have access to AI. The winners of the future are going to be the ones who know how to really be storytellers and AI.

I'll give you another example. I worked with the CEO of a company in South Carolina back in November. After it was over, he calls me up and says, hey, Regie, I have a big problem. I have a severe mental health crisis. I go, why aren't you talking to therapists? He goes, well, I do talk to my therapist. The problem I'm having is my therapist is only available once a month for me. I can call my therapist, but if I'm having an issue, I kind of spiral a little bit.

And I said, how bad is your mental health crisis? He goes on a scale of 1 to 10 to 15. So you guess, I'll get AFLK. And I said, yeah, so I think so. let's start. And I've never had this before and I caution everybody here now. What I'm about to say is please talk to your therapist and do this under the guys of a therapist. Eventually he did. So that's great. So he's found the best of both worlds. I made him download the mobile app on his iPhone of chat ch pt. He paid the 20 bucks a month.

And I said, look, just start to just give chat chpita a persona. So this is another point I'll make is when you're talking to chat chpt, if you have a lot of fun with it, do persona based prompting where you give it a persona. You can either create a persona of a world class therapist. who specializes in working with CEOs and leaders. I said, tell chat ChaptiPT all the challenges you're facing. And he did that. And he did it within the phone. And I didn't want to be there.

But he asked me to stay and I didn't. So he did that. And he said, now act like my therapist and help me walk through the challenges I'm having and help me give me tools on what I can do when I'm feeling my anxiety and feeling my mental health breakdown happening. He didn't do it on the written side. He did it all verbally.

So he's having a full two-way conversation with Chat Chip-T. And he got to the point where he really started to really got comfortable with understanding. and realizing that he wasn't just talking to an algorithm. To him, it felt like he was talking to another human on the other other end of his phone. So I said, all right, call me in a couple weeks. Let me know how it goes. So three days later, he calls me and says, Rajiv.

I go, why are you calling me? Is everything? I'm going. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Let me a quick question. Can I use Chachapidatee to be my business coach to help me with my business challenges as well? I go, yeah, of course. I gave it a persona.

I can remember what he gave it as. Steve Jobs, Mark, given Elon Musk, whatever you give. I can't remember what he did. Same thing, so I didn't hear from him. Two weeks go by. He calls me up and I said, how's it going? He goes, Rejeeve, it's been amazing. I go, tell me what you're doing.

He goes, on the way to work, I stop taking phone calls. I don't listen to the radio. On the way to work, chatchee is my personal business coach. I have 30 minutes with my personal business coach every single morning. We talk about employee issues. We talk about growth opportunities. We talk about challenges. It gives me the full transcript.

I go back. I then summarize all those transcripts. I put it back into Chachachee to come and give me my notes. I take those things and I review them myself. And I take the bits and pieces I really like and are sharing them to my team. and we're starting to become a bit more strategic thinking about the business. And that's been really helpful. Recently, it helped me deal with a challenge with a really hard employee

and dealing with a real employee issue and how to really talk to that employee and help motivate them the right way. And it was phenomenal. It was amazing. But then on the way home, it acts as my personal therapist. There are dangers in turning your mental health over to any AI isn't there? He didn't turn it over to it. He augmented because his therapist wasn't available. I'm not saying that turn it over and just stop seeing your therapist.

I said even before the start of this portion of the podcast, make sure you do this in conjunction with your therapist. He takes the full transcript and he even shares it with his therapist when he's having his issue. Because his issue was, how does he handle it when the anxiety hits at a particular time? He needs somebody to talk to. He'll call his therapist, but therapist is busy. What does he do? Who does he talk to?

And by the way, he reached out to me and he was looking for a solution. And I was really afraid for him because I was really worried about what he might do to himself. Look, there's all kinds of things. scary stuff out there, right? You have the guy that got who went down this conspiracy rabbit hole and Tatsi eventually convinced himself to kill himself, he killed himself and killed his wife. You have the character AI story of what happened with that young 14-year-old boy who fell in love with Deneer who created a jihad bot of Deneas from Game of Thrones. That's where open AI and these platforms have to do a better job of flagging these types of issues and really bring

mental and really being able to get other people involved and support people and these types of things happen. All I'm saying is that learn to have a conversation with it to use it to your advantage. In this case, he used it to help him build his business better, but then he also used it to build his life better because he just could not have access as soon as he wanted it. And this guy's the CEO of a company. So if he's struggling, imagine how people who don't have access to those types of things are struggling. That's it. Some of the things you said were really interesting, the idea that he would take some of these interactions with ChatGPT into his sessions with his therapist. I think that's kind of a really cool integrated approach. How do you feel about AI's manipulating?

of things like empathy. I mean, look, it's a, it's an issue. Social media and AI have the same problem. The good news is that everybody has access to it. The bad news is that everybody has access to it. And if you've got kids, I'll tell you, like you need to monitor what they're doing. I think there has to be some level of regulation.

It's probably impossible to ban AI to under 16s, under 18s. Maybe you could have a big rip cord, a red button, an emergency stop where if you want to stop using it, you can reset your account or parents could do that. One of my challenges with the democratization of AI is that we can understand the illusion of AI when we have to step back. But a lot of people who come into this technology without that background will be more susceptible. So how do you think about what kind of guardrails and frameworks could be put in

hypothetically? All these companies are putting the guard rails tomorrow if they wanted to. They have the ability to do it. The question is will they? And I don't think they will. Guard rolls is kind of a backdoor to regulation. Now, if it were me, I think if you're under 18, you need parental permission. All of your chats should be logged and a parental figure should be able to have access to them to review them.

And we haven't even touched on deepfakes, which to me is even a bigger issue than anything else out there. To me, deepfakes is as the biggest challenge is nuclear weapons. The ultimate question here is that, you know, are we going to use AI to build a utopian future? Are you going to use it to build a dystopian future? And I hope we use it to build the utopian future. And if that's the case, we have to find ways to protect the kids. The challenge lies in the rules of the road. Everyone's operating by scaling wars.

I'm trying to throw more compute. I'm trying to get to AGI faster, no matter if we understand what AGI is. You're doing the same thing. Mark's doing the same thing. And then if I go, well, hey, I'm going to issue these parental controls. I'm going to make this step, this step, this step. Then my user base is going to go down. How do we change the rules of the road?

How do you think about that? What this needs is leadership. Look, if we can create standards called Bluetooth, if we can create standards for wireless, if we can create standards for cars for miles per gallon, I mean, why can't these guys get together and create standards for this, right? Even if these guys get,

even if the three of us get together, say, let's do this, you have a whole other issue where you've got to work with these companies on an international global basis. And I don't think they want to work with anybody right now. And it's an arms race. I think what's going to have to happen here I think over time, there's going to have to be some sort of global treaty framework around

all of this. And if we can do it for nuclear weapons, why can't we do it for this? It just requires some real thoughtful leadership. It's going to require certain people who sit in certain high-level positions to really make this a priority. And until that happens, I'm just thankful my sons are 24 and 21. But if you have young kids, if you have young daughters have to deal with things like deep fakes and things like that, you've got to just be really careful. You have to monitor their use, teach them how to use the tools. use it for good. My daughter is nine. Speak me through it, Rajee. What should I be doing? Number one, you shouldn't shy away from the technology. China and is making AI learning mandatory for all kids six years, six years and up. India is starting to do some of the same things.

The U.S. is looking to do some of the same things as well. But look, I think if anything, it's, I'm excited for her, the ability for her to learn. Because if you think of my Mark, like, think of it this way. If she wanted to learn, well, I'm trying to figure out what, What is she learning right now, for example? Where countries are, the capitals of country, the old school stuff. So, so, in French, languages. Let's talk about geography. So imagine if she could say, H-H-HPT, I want you to act like Christopher Columbus,

and take me through the thought process in your journey and going from Europe to discovering the new world. But act like him and walk me through your thought process. Give me step by step on what it would take to build the boats. What did you have to, what did you have to use to, to take with you on the journey and then just and have that conversation as long as education is going to get so democratized like it's already starting to happen so there's an amazing tool called con me go k-h-a-n-m-m-ig-o by sal con the founder of con academy he's got an amazing tool where it's helping

teachers it's helping administrators helping students learn and teach and play with and how to use his a i in the classroom and how to learn and how it can use it to teach google just announced yesterday and I don't have the details on it, like a Google education platform that competes with Conmigo. So these companies are going to be releasing these platforms. So it's going to be amazing to see. Like by the time, think about how fast technology is evolving. So she's nine. By the time she's in high school, but the time she's 15, six years from now, she's going to wear glasses where literally a virtual reality or an augmented reality, Columbus is going to pop up or Einstein is going to pop up and walk her through a math problem or Napoleon. But whatever the case might be, right? I mean, you think about, you know,

you think about maybe she's doing a paper on MLK. Well, what if you had MLK teach you the paper? So that's kind of the path she's headed down. And if you think about how we involved, like I had to write everything. Like, you guys remember what life was like before PowerPoint? It had those overhead projectors and you had slides. Yeah. Slides with the write on, right? Then PowerPoint comes out and it augmented what we did. Yeah, what was like before Microsoft Word? Well, typewriters. I do believe that there are great applications for some of this stuff. And I think it's going to change the way, the things that we're able to do as individuals and help us scale the things

that we want to do in very meaningful ways. But I do want to jump back because a lot of these discussions are utopia, dystopia, because you've got to think of both sides. You mentioned nuclear weapons and I've referenced the Adams for Peace thing related to this coalition back in the day to say, hey, we've got this power now, but how do we control it? Is the difference between the Adams for Peace thing and what we're dealing with today? Isn't it just the idea that a kid's not going to play with a nuke? I don't know for sure, but I think that could very well be it. When you realize at the end of the day that these kids, again, we're going back to the

Utopia-Dispia thing that you just mentioned. So let's just talk about deepfakes. If you are a bully, you can really bully somebody with deepfakes. And there's nothing stopping anybody from doing it. All they need is an image, maybe five to ten seconds if you're always, put it in 11 labs, and they can make you say and do anything you want. So that's number one. So the question then is, what's the solution to help stop deepfakes

or minimize deep fakes. You probably can never get rid of it completely, but how do you at least get it to an acceptable level where you can help get rid of 99% of it? There's a lot of ways you can do that. You can do mandatory labeling, which would require all AI generated media to be watermarked at the model level. Now, the challenge there is that, again, Instagram Zuckerberg, say, all right, let's do it, but can you get TikTok to do it too? Right. It's the same thing that we're dealing with on the AI side. Yeah, absolutely. Right. So traceability laws of which is platforms can detect and flag manipulated content for legal use. Accountability, you can hold social media and video platforms accountable. There can be some real fines, maybe potential criminal

liability. I'll give you an example of a case where there was a principal in the Midwest of the U.S. where he reprimanded one of his teachers. And the teacher went and created a deep fake of him saying the N-word. And then put that on Facebook and it went everywhere. And the principal got suspended and it was a big thing. It ruined his life. So it just so happened that he happened that he actually knew somebody in law enforcement. They got involved. They eventually got to somebody in the Biden administration and the FBI side of the house, they came and they traced it back and they traced the deep fake back to the teacher he had reprimanded. Okay. That's amazing the traceability there. Yeah. And so what's the so there should be real criminal liability for that person, right? Authentication tools, you know,

um, you have to- That doesn't help the kids in the schoolyard. Kids are cruel and if the video's a watermark, that's not going to make a difference. Like, kids are cruel and this technology, it augments our best parts and it will augment our, our, worst parts. So how we have to learn as a species to live with that. And there's going to be collateral damage in the meantime until we get there. And it's down to people like you with your educational centers, which can really help move the dial in that. That's part of the goal. Like the first thing is that if you're under 13, you probably should be using it anyways. It should be using a controlled environment, like a con me go or using it in the classroom with a teacher,

number one. If between 13 and 18, you know, that becomes really important. because that's where that regulation can come and really help that. And then number three, as you mentioned, education becomes really important. But it's not just education for the students. It's education for the teachers. It's education for the parents. It's making sure that they're present to make sure that they can understand what's happening and how these kids are using the tools.

If you think of all these solutions as one holistic way to fight it, it's education, it's liability issues, it's accountability for the platforms, it's laws against it, it's labeling of watermarks. It's all these things combined. is what's going to help fight it. Yeah, parenting in the scale of technology is crazy. How did they keep up with that stuff? That's got to be the challenge.

I'm very looking forward to my daughter learning about science in particular. I love this idea of channeling the great minds of the past to help them learn in a much more immersive, deeper way than I could have done with a textbook. And I'm sorry to my physics teacher, but a very boring physics teacher who didn't instill in me that passion and desire to learn about the cosmos and life on a much more deep level. Moving the conversation on, before we started the show, you mentioned your internship back in Paris, Rajiv. And you spoke about something very interesting which relates to AI and technology today. Could you tell us about your internship and what that information about the world of

technology and computers was like in the 80s and why it's relevant today? I actually lived in Paris back when I was 21 years old. I was doing an internship there. I was working for a computer peripheral company. And back in 1991 is when the first PC started hitting people's desk. But here's the thing. The very first PCs were nothing but a shell. And everything was external to the PC.

The floppy drives, which a lot of people probably listening to the floppy drive is, but the floppy drive was external. The modem, things were external. So you had this box, but then everything was external sitting around it. But over time, what started happening was these PC manufacturers and the printer manufacturers would all say, hey, why are all these things sitting outside? Why don't we just integrate all that into our PC? Huh, okay, let's do that. So they did that and guess what happened? All those peripheral companies went out of business. And I was out of one of those peripheral

companies as a mentorship. Fast forward to today, and I see a lot of that happening today. So right now, the question is, hey, are we in a bubble? Yeah, we are in a bubble. When you've got Zuckerberg paying $300 million signing bonuses and hiring, paying $1 billion to people to come and join, that's going to tell you we're in a bubble. But I think the difference here between this and the bubble back then is that this bubble seems to be maybe restricted to just a few dozen companies. Replit, for example, just raised $250 million yesterday at a $3 billion valuation. It's a great tool.

Manus, Replit, N8N, these are amazing tools. That's fantastic. But the parallel I want to draw to people is that, well, what's going to stop OpenAI and Claude and Google and XAI to basically just, take those same type of functionalities and integrate them directly into the platform because they already have the user base. So just like the PC guys already had the user base

and integrated everything in, why do you need to have three, four, five different platforms? Can you just have one, maybe two platforms? And so I think over time, you're going to see that. So I think that's some challenges there. And so from a bubble perspective, and I think we're probably looking at, you know, some challenges probably end of next year, early 2027

is when you might see some of that stuff happen. But I'm super bullish. I'm excited about the future with AI. to me, I think we're actually going to enter into a new age of enlightenment period. If you think about what preceded the first industrial revolution was actually the age of enlightenment. We saw new human reasoning. You saw science expanding. In our case, using AI to cure cancers and diseases, think about the new science is like it's going to create, you know, evidence to help.

We talk about time shrinkage. The renaissance was 300 years. But we're going to see that condensed down into two decades or something. Yeah, you could see it condensed down into 20 or 30 years, maybe even less. But the point of it is that on the is that every single person that, again, go back to the start of the pod, every single person that has access to the tool has ability now to create something that doesn't exist today. And that's going to help propel. And I think you're going to see a super spike in entrepreneurship.

And I think you're going to see a whole new companies being birthed that can take advantage of AI. You may not need as many employees in those companies, but you're going to see a whole, I think you can see a lot more companies. I have one thought and one question for you, Rajeev. So you mentioned the consolidation of all those components into one and all these other companies going away. There's a great book. You've probably read it before. This guy, Tim Wu, who coined the term net neutrality, wrote a book called the master switch about just openness and closeness of industry consolidation. Listeners read that if you want to learn more about what he had talked about there. But we talked about critical thinking before. Are we at risk of losing critical thinking with these kind of easy buttons? Yes, we are.

But again, I think it just depends on how you use it. If you use it to augment what you do, you're going to be fine. If you use it as a partner, you're going to be fine. Before search, I had an encyclopedias where I had to go to the library. Did I lose my critical thinking? Or did it just help make my thinking faster, better, easier to implement find solutions I'm looking for? These are just tools help you find solutions you're looking for. If you outsource your thinking to AI, yeah, you're going to be a dumb dumb.

I'm sorry, you are. And you're going to get left behind. But the winners are going to be those who realize and figure out how to use AI. to augment their critical thinking with the tools that AI can provide to help them build a better life, not just for themselves, for their family and those around them. That's 100%. I think that's a wonderful answer,

and it's probably the most important take home from a lot of the conversations we're having about AI. You have to actively push yourself to not surrender your critical thinking. And if you do that, then great things await for a great many people. Before we get to our last question from Kevin Kelly, Rajiv, where can our listeners learn more about you and your work in Arizona and your books? My website, Rajiv.a.I, LinkedIn.

Please feel free to connect with me on LinkedIn. The books are available on Amazon. And I'm on Instagram at the Rajiv Kapoor. So please feel free to follow me. And I'm around. People can find me. Awesome. Thank you.

This is a great conversation. Thanks for entertaining our pendulum between dystopia and utopia. I think it's most important to explore each of those. So Kevin Kelly question. What should humans be? So interesting. I was giving a little bit of a heads up on this question. I was thinking about it last night. I was thinking about it this morning and I was getting ready. And, you know, I just, I think ultimately I think humans should really figure out what humans should be is what is our true potential. What's going to make us thrive? So thinking about this concept of thriving. And to me, this concept of thriving is, are we healthy? Are we equal? Are we educated? Can we live a sustainable life at peace? And I think that's what human, humanity should think about becoming and evolved too. And I think. I think technology can help us get there by, we talked about helping us find cures for diseases. It can help teach and augment every mind.

How do we power the world cleanly? How do we create fair access to opportunity? And how does it free us to focus on meaning instead of just finding ways to survive? I think that's what humanity should evolve into. And if we do that, then we answer the question, are we using it to build a utopian feature or dystopian future? And I think the answer would be we're using it to build a utopian future. Wonderful. Thank you. I think that we're there, Jeremy, if you've got anything else to add,

and if we've missed anything, Rajee, anything you'd like to add. Thanks for having me on. I'm excited for the future of what it can bring, and happy to check back with you guys in the year and see where we are, see if any of these things ever came true or what happened. I love it. That's great. Thanks for joining Nestorji.

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