Technology, Connected - Moon Dust Could Destroy NASA’s Moon Base

Episode Date: May 15, 2026

NASA scientist Philip Metzger joins Thinking on Paper to explain why Moon dust and rocket exhaust create a major engineering problem for future lunar missions.When a spacecraft lands on the Moon, its ...engines can accelerate dust and rocks across the surface at high speed. That material can damage nearby equipment, including solar panels, telescopes, antennas, sensors and thermal-control systems.The problem becomes more serious as NASA, SpaceX and other organisations plan larger landers, permanent bases and more frequent missions. Every landing could threaten infrastructure already operating on the lunar surface.In this episode, we discuss:Why lunar landers throw dust and debris across the MoonHow rocket exhaust interacts with lunar soilWhy larger spacecraft such as Starship increase the riskHow Moon dust can damage solar panels, antennas and scientific instrumentsWhat this means for NASA’s Artemis programmeWhy future lunar bases may require dedicated landing padsHow far spacecraft should land from existing equipmentWhether lunar infrastructure needs exclusion zonesHow landing rules could affect Moon governanceWhat engineers still don’t know about repeated lunar landingsPhilip explains why lunar dust isn’t a minor operational inconvenience. It’s a systems-level problem that affects spacecraft design, base planning, scientific equipment and the rules governing activity on the Moon.This conversation examines one of the least visible challenges facing lunar exploration: how to land safely without damaging the infrastructure needed to remain there.--Thinking on Paper is a technology podcast about AI, Space, quantum computing, science, and the systems shaping the future. 🏠 Buy us a beer on Substack: https://thinkingonpaperpodcast.substack.com/🎧 Take us with you on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/00volKqMsQntToeho35W47🎧 Remember steve jobs on APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thinking-on-paper/id1713227258📺 Get the clips and outtakes on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/toptechpodcast/  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Because the moon is an airless body, there's nothing to slow down the dust. And here on the earth, if you took a handful of gravel and sand and, say, baby powder, talcum powder, and throw it, what you'll see is the rocks go the farthest, the sand goes intermediate distances, and the dust just stops as soon as you let go. And that's because they have different ballistic coefficients. It's the ratio of the inertial force to the atmosphere. drag force. Well, on the earth, the atmospheric drag is slowing things down, but on the moon, there is no atmosphere except for the rocket exhaust. And the rocket exhaust is what's speeding everything up. And so it speeds everything up, and then all that material flies out into vacuum,
Starting point is 00:00:49 and there's nothing to slow it down. And because the drag force is more dominant on dust than it is on rocks, it turns out that on the moon, the dust goes the fastest and the farthest. The sand still goes intermediate and the rocks go the shortest. And the rocket exhaust is traveling in about in the ballpark of three kilometers per second. And there are dust particles that are small enough that they get all the way up to the speed of the gas. And so we're blowing dust at about six times the speed of a bullet. And it causes huge abrasive. and sandblasting damage. It can ruin telescopes or solar panels or thermal control surfaces.
Starting point is 00:01:34 It can get into mechanisms and jam the mechanisms because the thermal control getting etched by the dust. It can cause the electronics to overheat, have a higher meantime between failure, causing them to fail. And so it is a big problem. Also, here on the Earth, when we have a blast, the effects of the blast are localized. because the rocks get sped up the slowest, but they're the ones that travel the farthest.
Starting point is 00:02:03 The dust also gets initially sped up the fastest, but it gets stopped immediately. And so that localizes the radius of the blast. But on the moon with no atmosphere, there is nothing to localize it. So every blast on the moon is a global event. As long as the rocket is large enough to speed the dust up to the velocity of the world.
Starting point is 00:02:25 rocket exhaust, then the dust goes globally around the moon. And the only way we can mitigate it is by determining how much damage is acceptable and land that far away or build landing pads or some other technologies. Who answers that question? It has not been answered yet, and that's a geopolitical issue. Well, yeah. The effects of just one launch would be, it is catastrophic the right word? Like, what's the word to describe what would happen to the
Starting point is 00:02:55 lunar surface for a layman, not a scientist? It depends on a lot of variables. It depends on the size of the lander because the amount of gas they blow is proportional to the weight of the vehicle. And also, it depends on how high the engines are above the lunar surface. So if Starship uses those upper thrusters, that will greatly reduce the problem, not entirely stop it, but it will greatly reduce it. So it also depends on how close your hardware is, other hardware, around the landing site.
Starting point is 00:03:31 So there's a lot of variables involved. It could be catastrophic for some hardware. If you land too close to some sensitive equipment, you could possibly damage it or destroy it in just one sandblasting a bit. But typically it's more of a problem where you're wearing the hardware. and over time, the hardware will eventually fail much sooner than originally planned. Kind of like mechanical electrical systems near the ocean. Yeah, that's a good analogy. Right. Yeah, like I was doing some analysis where I estimated if you have a 40-ton lander and it lands one kilometer away from an antenna on the moon,
Starting point is 00:04:14 then after 10 launches and landings, the amount of dust blown into those joints from a kilometer away. The amount of dust blown into those cracks will cause the antennas to jam so they can't rotate anymore. Now, that's a very crude estimate because we don't have enough data yet, but that's the order of magnitude that we're looking at. Now, I mentioned earlier sensitive hardware. If you have a sensor that is on a lunar lander and it's going to go up into orbit and it's going to measure something on the lunar surface, let's say this instrument needs to to have a resolution of three meters per pixel, one sandblasting of that lunar lander
Starting point is 00:04:59 of the instrument on that lander could ruin it so that it's no longer able to get the required resolution to produce better than existing data set. So it could be destroyed in just one exposure.

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