Technology, Connected - Quantum Information Is The Fabric Of Reality - Irreducible, Chapter 10

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Federico Faggin says a seity is consciousness, identity, free will, and creativity fused into one indivisible whole. If quantum information is the fabric of reality, then seities are its living threads.Faggin writes: “A seity is a reality that goes beyond all categories and all definitions.” That is the point. You cannot break it into parts. You cannot simulate it with code. A seity generates meaning from within.Seities do not merely observe the world, they create it. Each choice collapses possibility into form. Accepting or rejecting an axiom is not an intellectual exercise; it’s an act of creation. The universe is not static. It is a conversation among seities.To make this tangible, Faggin imagines a vibration sphere: a square full of people and animals, each producing vibrations. The vibrations are symbols. The lived experience behind them is qualia. Together they form a collective field of meaning. Every seity is both transmitting and tuning, free will deciding which signals matter and which fade into noise. Then they build the universe. At least in this model of reality. Please enjoy the show.And share it with a curious, conscious friend.--Follow and support us please:🎙️PODCAST: www.thinkingonpaper.xyz📷 INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/thinkingonpaperpodcast/—Chapters (00:00) Federico Faggin, Irreducible Chapter 10(02:10) Computers And Consciousness (03:31) Seities All The Way Down(10:25) Carl Jung Collective Consciousness(12:02) Quantum Freud(15:21) Robots, AI And Seities—Watch the book club on YouTube where you can get a chapter by chapter breakdown of Irreducible by Federico Faggin: https://www.youtube.com/@thinkingonpaper/videos

Disruptors and Curious Minds, CEOs, founders, book lovers. Welcome to The Thinking on Paper Book Club. As always, I am Mark. This is Jeremy. We're closing in on the end of Irreducible by Federico Fasgin. What have we learned so far? We've learned that the universe is conscious, that the existing way that we look at the universe and everything in it is wrong.

And Frederico has designed a blueprint for how we should think about it, and essentially it combined spiritualism and quantum mechanics to interpret. new, what does he call it? Quantum information based panpsychism. Today we're on chapter 10, the nature of the seity and good news, good news people, we are not digital and finite. We are vastness, potentially beyond all limits. I know it with certainty in my innermost being because I have experienced it. But the description of a pure state with words is impossible because a pure state is not reproducible. And thus words will never be able to capture the full meaning intimately disclosed by a sentient experience. We all have already experienced this limitation and physics

is also telling us this much. Jeremy, the nature of the saiety. So just a quick, yeah, just a quick reminder, everybody, that what we're about to discuss and at the last few chapters, if you've been following along, have been, we've been tiptoeing deeper into the unknown, deeper into the, he said saity, wow, he said consciousness unit. And the thing to remember, Remember, this guy designed and produced the first microprocessor. So we got to give him a little bit of leeway as he explores these more ethereal components. Yeah, it doesn't make him right. It doesn't make him right, but it gives him a little bit of credibility with this,

because without him, we would not be doing this book club. I disagree with that, because I think if the universe is conscious and the universe is creative, then one of those conscious units would have merged with another conscious unit, created a seity and that seity would have come to the similar conclusions that Federico fashin did back in the 70s and designed the first microprocessor. That sounds very deterministic, Mark. I highly disagree with that. There are many thinkers who would like us to believe that we are just machines and that it would be possible to create machines that are smarter than us.

But are those machines willing to capture and incarnate seyides? If a computer can pull a saty into itself, then all bets are off. But since computers are made of purely classical pieces and parts, and we are classical and quantum, maybe that saves everybody from that future nightmare. For the time being. For the time being. All right. So as I dove into this mark, a couple of notes that I have here, defining things limits the magic.

New laws equal more constraints. So this has been a theme in the book. Like, we as humans want to basically measure and quantify everything and we can't. Like because we don't have the signal reading ability sometimes. And I'll give you a prime example of this. But just because we can't hear a sound that happens below 20 hertz doesn't mean the sounds not there. We just don't have the machine, the protocol, the process sounds below 20,000 hertz and sounds above 20,000 hertz. It does not mean it is not.

not part of the universe. He touches on many worlds theories. He speaks about the ego and this is not Freud, ladies and gentlemen. This is something entirely different, the vibrational universe. Before you get into it, I'm going to read Aseity, the definition, not the definition, because he says the definitions can't really define. But in my model, Aseity is a reality that goes beyond all categories and all definitions. Aseity cannot be defined in the same way that a machine can be,

since its properties, namely consciousness, identity, free will agency, and creativity are inseparable and do not have sharp boundaries. We have already discovered with quantum physics that reality goes far beyond the one described by classical physics, though we are still struggling to understand, as you said, the saity. The saidi. So, Sadie in many worlds. Let's start there. So, Sadie can create different worlds. That's a quote from the book here. Sadies can create different worlds.

We know the many worlds theory, many worlds interpretation. This observation creates this reality, and there are millions of other observations that could create other realities upon realities upon realities. He uses an interesting example of Euclidean geometry, illustrate this idea of like the multiple worlds that Sadis could create. I wrote this down as I was running through this. You have the world that is operating based on a certain axiom, a certain truth. And then you have the opposite of that. I believe in the world that I'm seeing. I don't believe in the world I'm seeing.

But somehow the Sadies create just two other options, which I thought was like really weird. I believe in this axiom defining this world. I don't believe it. There's option number one, option number two. And then two more adventurous options created by the Sadie. Now, did you read that as like Sadie's can create just two options of worlds? Satis can create many different worlds which are all interconnected and exist one inside the other. Their fundamental connections are determined by the universal language created by the first level saetis, the CUs, the conscious units.

This is the world that contains all other worlds, the language from which all other languages have emerged and through which one, as we learnt last week, one is everything. That is the universe, the universal one. I'm sure you have your own interpretations of what that means. And one can explore every possibility of knowing itself. And then he speaks about your axioms. who choose to explore the undecidable hypothesis if it were true, adding it as a new axiom to the pre-existing ones, the second world contains the CETES that choose to explore the undecidable hypothesis in the negative, thus a portion of the CETES to decide to reject the undecidable

axiom while two other groups choose to explore two new and logically far less secure worlds. Why two? Question. Why two? Federico, why two worlds? If there's so much possibility in these Sayeties to be able to do so much and connect and speak, why can they only create two additional worlds to the positive and negative of the one that's around? That's my question.

What I do like is the way that he describes more adventurous Seities. Is that you and I are we the more adventurous ones? The Seities who decided to reject the new Axiom could continue to explore their world, ignoring the two new worlds being explored by the more adventurous Seities. Those sadies are Gen X. Gen X, I'd like to meet a more adventurous saity. I mean, it's giving them personalities more adventurous saities.

It's such a strange concept. So is quantum mechanics, though, like, which is, which again, you point back to it. I mean, all this shit is strange, right? But no matter how disconnected these Sadies become in these new worlds that they create to explore, they have this common language that pulls them back to the one in the computer world, In the networking world, you have Cisco routers make up a computer network. And they have something called command line interface, CLI, that is this ultimate basic programming language that allows literally any Cisco router to be communicated with using this. So similar analogy, the Cicades have a command line interface that only Céides understand, no matter how far they go, no matter how weird they adventure out into these different worlds, they always have a loop back in.

That's how I understood that. I don't know. It's it. You almost made me snot on that one. That was funny. This one, but it is important to note that the sayities who explore these insecure worlds may lose their connection with the world of fundamental, indisputable values because they may not realize how many undecidable axioms and have taken as true or false. I don't want to even comment on this because it's so ludicrous. I mean, these alternative worlds where these sayities have gone based on an axiom that may or may not be true, creating this other world is that where the quantum computers are.

just solving their puzzles. I don't know. It's almost like there's just interdependency between these little actions and decisions, kind of butterfly effecty. You jump into this new world, you do this one thing. It has cascading effects down the line and down the line

and down the line based on I went with this axiom or that axiom or this new axiom or this one that I created. And before you know it, you're spun around going, where the hell am I? At least that's what the saudi's saying. I'm personifying the saudi again.

A less enterprising, saiety. like today. Oh my gosh. How does this world work? So to get an idea of how this world might work, let's try to imagine a large square with hundreds of people and animals that emit perceptible vibrations like sounds. Vibrations are abstract symbols, whereas sounds are the qualia that bring meaning to each entity, saity. The vibrations produced by the various participants spread throughout the square and can be perceived by all present. This creates a vibration sphere, an objective and shared physical reality in which all the information produced by the various entities is accessible to each of them. And then he gives an example of Bob and Alice conversing. The vibes spear, baby.

The vibes fear. Holy cow. The symbols are the vibrations of the air. Okay, so the symbols are the vibrations of the air produced by the larynx of one that are captured by the hearing of the other. Hearing is extremely sophisticated because it allows the listener to select with free will certain frequencies and convert them into symbols of interest while ignoring all others. Our kids do that all the time when we give them directions. They choose to choose to mute out that frequency sometimes. People in political debates automatically reduce those frequencies. All right.

So we got the square. It's a nice illustration. There's things interacting. As you talk, you change the molecules in the air. You change how they vibrate. There's the symbolic to semantic thing that. that makes a whole lot of sense. There's this giant field of interaction.

Kind of makes sense. And then there's a note here too. The entire universe, as we extrapolate out from that example, is an ensemble of communicating saidi's. Okay. Okay. I start thinking about other things that sound similar to this that are already out there.

Is this like the Carl Young collective unconscious thing? It's like very similar to what he's talking about here. doesn't use the term say it is or anything but there's this interconnected knowing okay go deep on that generally help me understand i mean i'm not an expert in in karl young by any stretch but it's it's exactly what he's talking about here this this this this interconnected layer that is living in the unconscious that we're all connected to in one way or another and our interactions power what this thing does and and can feedback to us in how we act and operate with it someone in the comments please tell me I'm incorrect and write the ship.

You spoke about this on the main show, didn't we yesterday, with Ram, who wrote The Conscious Machine. And Frederico says himself, for a lot of this, he doesn't claim ownership. He doesn't claim his ideas. He's basing a lot of it on a lot of Eastern philosophy, on a lot of different viewpoints and thoughts of this collective consciousness. So yes, and I'm sure that Young borrowed from Eastern mythology and Western mythology as well. We need Joseph Campbell.

I mean, it's probably as old as some of the text that he writes about. It's been there since we were first conscious. There was one note to, let's see, it could also be said that at each instant, there is only one objective reality because the say that he chooses which portion of the same reality it wishes to observe. So the only objective reality out there is really the present moment, the now that you and I are experiencing. Plank moments. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's measure the plank constant. Let's go from plank moments to quantum Freud. Oh, yeah. Yep, let's go. Quantum Freud. Quantum Freud, you got a trademark that. That's pretty, that's money, man. Quantum Freud.

It is reasonable to think that the identification of the ego with the body is not a coincidence, but is chosen by the Cetes to be able to make authentic and deeply felt free will choices that could not occur if they thought they were part of a simulation. The severity of the identification varies, and when the ego only pays attention to the live symbols produced by the body, the ego could completely isolate himself from the satiety. What the hell does he mean? Dude, I totally got this. I totally got this. So ego was sprinkled in and introduced, so we wouldn't be careless with our interactions.

Imagine when your kids are, your kids aren't yet, but, you know, when kids are playing online video games with multiple different people and they're in an environment and they see an avatar of them, I see an avatar, they're bouncing around and they're interacting in this environment or this game, whatever it is. Their actions in real life are going to be very different than their actions in the game because in the game, no matter what you do, you can respawn from the sky and come back down. In the reality that we are actually living in the physical reality, your choices. They're going to be different. They're going to be less risky. They're going to be more intentional. They're going to be more willing to think a little deeper, hopefully, in the maintenance of long-term connection.

So what would you do if you need to get away with it? You have Lord of the Flies. You have this gang mentality. Or yellow jackets. Have you watched yellow jackets? I haven't seen yellow jackets, but football hooliganism, football hooliganism, the mob mindset. Yeah. You change your behavior.

Your ego changes. You leave your ego at the door and you do things that you wouldn't. So how does that relate to? to, okay, I read this instead, when the ego is totally identified with the body, he believes that the only reality is the one perceived by the body's sensory system, a belief that may lead him to censor that portion of the life symbols coming from the seity that do not involve the physical reality perceived by the body. Okay, is that what you were alluding to?

Yeah, so when the ego's in charge, it's like, oh, this is all there is, and I'm this, and I'm, there's nothing deeper than that. And it makes sense because, you know, meditation and sensory deprivation, and all of these other ways to practice present moment mindfulness, the whole nine yards, those result in the reduction of ego. And what he's saying as the ego reduces, knowledge and awareness of the satiety and the bigger picture increases. One thing from reading this, if this, let's imagine for a moment that everything that Federico Fasian says in irreducible is actually how the universe works,

then meditation becomes even more valuable than it ever was because it allows you to influence the seity. It allows you to influence the quantum field. And as the other thing we said at chapter one, every time a thought pops into your head, it may be the wave function collapsing. Meditation at a lot gives you the tools to slow that down, which is pretty mad. It is. It really is. Let's go to this. Before we hit, before we hit that, that's, that's, I want to spend time on the Kafka stuff. But let's let's, let's roll to just real quick. He, he, he, He leans back and mentions robots and AIs. A robots, he says, are controllable only by classical symbols.

But there's a lot of people that think AI eventually would be conscious. Kevin Kelly being one of them, pretty sharp dude. So the missing link to robots in AI is the saidi. And like I said, if the saidi can land within a robot or land within an AI, then that could be, that could take us to this a whole other direction. due to the fact that those systems are purely classical. We're the lucky combination of quantum and classical. So we get the Seidies and the robots and AIs don't for now.

Stay tuned. What if AI has read this book and AI knows that? And AI has decided that it wants these people having too much fun. I want some of that. And so speed up the process of building organic robots. Because if consciousness comes from organic matter, then we're really only a step away. Consciousness doesn't come from organic. organic matter.

No, but like, consciousness is fundamental, meaning it's before organic matter, I think. Yeah, so chips and silicon can't be conscious. We should have to make our robots from flesh and blood. If the book we are reading does not wake us up like a fist hammering on our skull, why are we reading it?

What we need are those books that deeply disturb us? A book must be like an ice axe that breaks. that breaks the sea of ice that is inside us. Franz Kaffa in a letter to Oscar Pollock in 1904. If we consider that reality has two aspects, one in it and one outer, just like we experience, we can overcome the interpretive difficulties and the prejudices prevent us from understanding quantum physics. And this is how things become clear.

Little did Kafka know in 1904. He was writing the mantra for the thinking on paper book clubs. Thank you, Franz Kafka. Appreciate your work. We'll credit you every time we use it. Books should make you feel weird. Books should mess up your mind a little bit. Books should push you out of your current belief system

into the possibility of other thoughts and ideas. I feel weird reading books like this. No, not always, but books like this, like what we're trying to do with books, expand our knowledge, awareness, dare I say wisdom. But there are some books where you just want to be, walk through a great story, right? And you got to have, got to have those as well. Well, hey, hey, shortcut, if you guys are only listening to this one single moment of this book, or of this

book club, all you have to do to understand all of this is grasp that inner semantic is quantum and outer symbolic is classical. If you take away nothing from this book, this is the shortcut, this is the TikTok video, this is the mic drop moment, inter semantic is quantum, outer symbolic, is classical. If you understand that, then you can start tiptoeing into Sadies and consciousness units and all of that stuff. And that, ladies and gentlemen, I think is the end of chapter 10 of irreducible. We are running the gauntlet. We are two chapters away from the end, from a new book, which we will let you know soon. But as we say every week, remember, ladies and gentlemen, book lovers, that you are

conscious, regardless of whether you believe Frederick Cajin, regardless of whether you think the universe is conscious, or that is just a load of nonsense. You are conscious. You have the gift. So the only question you have to ask yourself is what are you going to do with it? Today. Answers in the comments, ladies and gentlemen. Tell us what you're doing. Tell us how you wielding your consciousness.

And we'll see you next week. Thinking on paper. At xyz. All the stuff's there. Be curious. Stay disruptive. Keep thinking on paper.