Test Match Special - A Baker's couple on day one at The Oval

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Simon Mann is alongside former Englanf captain Michael Vaughan and chief cricket commentator Jonathan Agnew for reaction to the first day's plat at The Oval between England and New Zealand.Hear from the wicket-taking debutant Sonny Baker, as well as New Zealand's Tom Blundell who scored a half-century for the Black Caps.

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You're listening. to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. So close the play on the first day of the second test match at the Oval. New Zealand 291 for seven having been put into back. After all the mayhem of the last 10 days, well and the Lord's Test match as well, some hard-fought test cricket at the Oval. Phillips 49 not out at close of play.

We saw an eight over spell from Joffre Archer towards the close as well. He kept on going. kept on peppering Phillips. Sonny Baker picking up a couple of wickets on his test match debut. Jacob Bethel pinching two at the end, two for eight from five overs and New Zealand. Basically finding ways to get out on what we anticipate

will turn into a decent batting pitch at the Oval. Jonathan Agnew and Michael Vaughan alongside me. Well, pick the bones out of that day, Michael. Well, I think England will be delighted. I mean, won the toss. There was a bit of movement there throughout the day. but not extravagant. It looks to me like it's a good batting pitch.

And New Zealand have helped the England cause with a few soft dismissals, a few play. I thought Bundell getting in, getting to 50. Well, there you go. He's had such a good record against England. He's the one that's going to go and get the three figures. And then he gifts Jacob Bethleh, an easy one in his fur. And Nathan Smith, just a full toss in the air to Jordan Cox.

Strangle down the leg side. There's been, you know, quite a few dismissals. I think New Zealand in that dress room now, I think, how's not at least one or two of them ended up with a decent score and at least one or two not out tonight? Full credit to Glenn Phillips. He played beautifully in terms of the contest with Joffre Archer. That was a real high-quality test match cricket. But I think from where England have been over the last few days with pretty much a brand-new-out-new-att-new-out-debutton show, I thought they put a really good show today.

It was very clever from Jarl. I like his tactics. He was moving in the fielders all over the play. is very thoughtful, very kind of inventive at times. And yeah, I think Ingle, there will be the better of the two teams in the dresser rooms. People really looking at the pitch. You know, we come to the Oval. It's often green at the start.

And the captain often wins the toss, who does win the toss, puts the opposition in. How did you assess the pitch today? Well, it looks, look, there was a bit of movement there, but it looks a nice pitch for batting. I thought when Glenn Phillips came out and he kind of timed a few through the cover point region, I thought, oh, if someone can get in, I think it's the kind of pitch that if someone gets and wants to be really aggressive. I look at a Harry Brook or Jordan Cox. I would think on that kind of surface,

day two generally is the best day for batting. And if England can get rid of the three wickets, quickly in the morning, it should be a really good day for batting. Day two going into day three and one or two of the England players should be looking at that pitch, looking at the bounce consistent

from what we saw at loads a week or so ago. This is the kind of week as a batter that I look down and think put a nice deposit in the bank. Jonathan, New Zealand will be kicking themselves. I think so. I just thought they looked rusty. They look short of cricket. You know, they've been kicking their heels since Lords trying to get rid of that match

out of their heads, which is very difficult for them there. That won't have done confidence much good. Yes, they played against Ireland and one or two got the score, but they just look a bit rusty to me. You know, they've got starts, didn't they? Latham 27, Nichols 24, Revenger of 33, Mitchell 44, Blundle. That's all of them getting in.

And then, yeah, contriving largely to get themselves out. It could have been worse. I mean, if Mitchell had been caught down the leg side, the leg slip as well, I mean, another strangle. It doesn't feel like it's quite running for them at the moment. Whereas England, I thought we were excellent, actually. I thought that's, and the highlight was that spell of archers. That brought the day to life.

He brought the crowd to life. Great to see him running in like that. He was trying different things. His arm release point was really quite varied. I think he was going for some reverse swing. He bowled a massive wide down the offside because again he was really trying to force out a reverse swing which generally reverse swing you do bowl with a lower arm.

Now Archer is well on his window of having a really high action and high release point. So he's whether he's learned one or two new tricks over there in the winter in the IPL as well, I'm not sure. But I thought just for hostility and that contest with Phillips is what it's all about, isn't it? You know, you see a batsman ducking and diving, smiling, putting his thumb up, shades of Derek Randall there back in a day, you know,

just really, really relishing the contest against a genuinely fast bowler. And it's so unusual to see a fast bowler running for eight hours at the end of the day. Sometimes you think early in the day, but at the end of the day. Yeah, well, he's perhaps proving a point. People talk about his fitness, didn't they? And he's off to Barbados for his holidays and so on after the IPL. How could he possibly come back and play a test match? Well, I think somewhat earlier on, he does look fit, he does look strong. And yeah, he came back there really, really well.

That was a really impressive spell of fast bowling because it's not a quick pitch. It was just really hostile. Okay, well, it was a debut for Sunny Baker today, picked up a couple of wickets. He's with Daniel Norcross. He is with me, Sunny Baker. Hello.

Your first day of test cricket, was it everything you dreamt it was going to be? Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's hard work. It's a pretty decent wicket. And normally at the Oval, you've got keep up to 50 metres back, taking it over their head but at the start it seemed a little bit more tennis bally so

it was just trying to adjust your lengths to that and eventually we found our way there and yeah be a bit of a graph tomorrow to finish them off and then hopefully sat with the feet up for two days while all the boys churn them up churn them in all of those it's out that's easy for you to say now then your first wicket ratchit and revenger just talk us through that moment when you know it's stuck in the hands it's out how did you feel oh well i mean it's probably pretty obvious So I felt at the time. Yeah, just super, super excited, you know. So obviously after my other two debuts,

it's just desperate to get on the board. And yeah, I'm so happy. After my first over was done, I was like, cool, okay, I can now get stuck into the game and then felt rhythm, felt a little bit better, second spell and yeah, just, oh, good catch from Beth, actually, but yeah, buzzingly clung onto it. I'll get the second as well.

And that's one that's about pace, you know, missed timing. That must have felt pretty good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, that was pretty decent player, short ball but I thought it would be worth a crack like there's no point just banging away on his on the front foot the whole time it's worth mixing it up and especially if you've got a bit of airspeed why not like as as Baz said in interviews before

that's why you have bowlers with air speed on wickets that are a little bit flatter and that are generally good obviously as we've seen in the champo here it's been a very good wicket high scoring draws so yeah hopefully we can finish them off tomorrow and then go from there it's been a bit of a roller coaster for you the last couple of weeks suddenly you're making your test debut when did you find out how did you feel what were the nerves like oh i mean obviously there's a little bit of commotion last week and i sort of thought i might be in with a sniff in that you know obviously ollie rob unfortunately his knees a bit sore and that then takes three seamers out the equation and

i was obviously doing 12thers so i thought oh i'm in with a bit of a chance here i wasn't sure what the balance of the side was going to be and whether they're going to play fish or or or then go with the like rahana's a spinning all rounder or what i obviously had no idea i'm not a selector but um Yeah, then obviously found out, got the news a couple of days before, which was awesome because I could, one, sort tickets, which can be a nightmare last minute, and then two, just mentally prep myself and get stuck in. But, yeah, I'm really, really happy with how the first day's gone, obviously.

Now, you played here, as you alluded to, about 10 days ago against Surrey, and Matt Fisher was playing at that point. Perfect preparation. Wow. Yeah. Well, did you think that it was going to be between you and Matt Fisher? Because I was commentating that game, and I thought you had some extra wheels that game. Oh, I did crank it up.

I mean, obviously they were all over us for a period of time. And wow, Dan Lawrence batted ridiculously well. And we did end up going to the short ball quite a lot. And obviously, that's in the side that we have. I've obviously got the most airspeed. So I was used to do that. And yeah, got fizzed up to crank it up at that period of time. So yeah, I think I gave it a bit.

That's for sure. Last question. Your little black book, I've heard about this. Can you tell us what are the entries that are going to go in that this evening? If it goes in this evening? Yeah. I think it's just more around analysis stuff. that I've done on the batters.

So, you know, we've had some really detailed analysis calls and, sorry, not calls, meetings, which has been awesome. Like, that's normally the way we do it at Hampshire as well. And, yeah, it's just great. Rupert's been working really hard to get some data on their batters. And the plans at Lords worked fantastically well. And even still in here, you're seeing bits of that come through. Like, obviously, you've probably noticed we've got leg slips in and stuff for different batters.

And there's rationale behind that. And, yeah, we've definitely. reap the rewards for that for sure. So do you put your words in this evening and do you know do you like physically take those two players and stick them in your back pocket? You've got Revinja and Mitchell now. No, it's not quite like cookies where he's got obviously everyone, every good player he's got out right in the book but mine's more around like learnings from the day or you know something that I was trying to do to manage my emotions that work really well was X and then I'll be like okay when you're feeling like your rhythms out or you know a cue that work particularly well

or a delivery that worked particularly well against a certain batter, even if the analysis doesn't say that. Like, for example, there's a couple of left-handers where I'd normally be round the wicket and swing it away, but from over, even though their stats are better from over, it's felt like to me, that's not Ratcham specifically, but for other batters in the county champ, for example, where you're like, oh, I just feel like I've been all over

and when I've been over the wicket, whereas from round it felt like they could line it up better. So it's just little intricacies like that where the stats might not necessarily say that, at me as a bowler and how I let go of the ball. Yeah, those things. So little bits like that, all sorts of different stuff, yeah. And the pitch itself, but genuinely finally,

did it feel a little bit, a bit better than you were expecting to. At the over on the first day, often wickets tumble. It didn't, it felt like the pitch was being easier than you might get in the day one at the oval normally. Yeah, it was a little bit, as I said, a little bit tennis bally at the start. And I think the overheads weren't brilliant either. It was meant to be pretty cloudy all day

and then suddenly the sun comes out and often in England as most of the overseas bowlers who I've talked to speak about is like England's almost always look up, not down, in that if it's swinging around and overheads are good, then you can make a wicket look like it's doing all sorts, even if it's quite a good wicket. And then the sun comes out and suddenly it's like, this is an absolute road. Where's this come from? So yeah, I think it's just one of those things where hopefully, as I said, we can finish them off tomorrow and then get stuck in with the bat. Congratulations, Sonny. The first Sunny to play test cricket for England.

Wow. Well, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The very first one. Simon back to you thank you very much Dan 23 years of age fair to say he's quite confident shy and retiring individual I would say Sonny Baker but isn't that great I mean you know there's confidence there isn't there's confidence you know he's he's got a lot of self-belief obviously he mentioned his two other debuts which clearly tricky and not for 76 or seven overs against South Africa and nor for 52 against Ireland yeah tricky so you to get you know you going properly. I mean this is the format that he's going to be you'd think running and

bowling fast this is going to be his format isn't it. Airspeed that's that's a new. There was another one. Fizz. Old with a bit of Fizz my favorite phrase or saying from that interview was there was a little bit of commotion last week. That was how there is that that really encapsulates the whole scenario. Yeah but no he he did bowl nicely you know he's He is confident. He is confident. And, you know, he had to have to wait a bit for his first wicket. But then, you know, the celebration, it's just a culmination and everything, isn't it?

You know, all the hard work and the training and the dreams that one day you might play for England. And suddenly it's there, bang, and you get that wicket. It's fantastic. I think he's going to be over the years, you know, a bowler and a player that the fans are going to absolutely adore. You know, just with the interview, he's just talking like he probably talked when he was 15, playing back at Somersetton. You know, he's just a bundle of energy. He loves playing the game.

He's going to charge him for England. There'll be days that don't go his way. But, you know, you saw him when he got his wicket, he went down to the boundary. He was writing with the fans. Yeah. You know, he was getting the fist up. And, you know, I just think it's a natural energy

that he's going to provide the England team with. And, you know, to cope with this, the surroundings on your test match debut, on a week that he mentioned, the commotion. He looked the part. I always think, you know, does he look right in the shirt? You know, when you're playing, Amelio Gay,

Right, on his debut a week or so ago. Sonny Baker today, he looked every bit in England cricketer, which is great for the team. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. What do Beatles member Sir Paul McCartney? YouTube megastar, Mr Beast, and former Facebook executive Cheryl Sandberg, all have in common. They're all being discussed in the new season of Good Bad Billionaire,

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Actually, this game's been quite useful. You know, however the rest of the summer goes and whoever comes and goes, or however it is, actually to get him playing and to get Matt Fisher playing, you know, it's just maybe, and with the football going on, you know, and so on.

so maybe there's not quite so much focus on this. Just quietly, a couple of decent young prospects have just slipped back into playing cricket again and playing for England. How did you feel Matt Fisher went today then? Yeah, I mean, I don't think it was the usual oval wicket that he would have been used to on day ones for Surrey where the ball pretty much does everything.

I thought he offered control. I didn't see too many bad balls. I thought Joe Root was quite clever in his field setting. I love the keeper coming up. at times. You know, there was a little bit... I was a bit surprised when he came around the wicket swinging it into the left hand

at the start. That's my one criticism. Yeah, I would have thought over the wicket swinging it back in would have been a better threat for someone like Matt Fisher. To right-handers, he looks a real threat. To left-hands, I think there's a little bit of working pro. His stats tell you that he averages 35 against left-handers, 24 against

right-handers. So he's got to try and even that up. I'm not saying they'll get to averaging 24 against the lefties. That's pretty much a will beater if you can. If he can just become a bowler that's not always just swinging it back into the left-handers and he's got that ability to kind of nip it away and I'm sure he has. But today it was pretty much one way to the lefties and that's something that he's going to have to work on. Yes, he has got a wobble.

In fact, he's set up, what was it, Phillips, really nicely with some outers and then that little wobble knit back, just a little bit too high for LBW. But I mean, I like him. He's tall and he can bowl a full length. And that's really for a tall person to bowl a full length. is really useful and he did swing the ball away

but I'm with Michael I cannot understand it doesn't, there's logic doesn't work quite with me to bowl round the wicket when he's swinging the wall out to a left hand you're trying to trap him in front

you're trying to hit that pad that's planted and then that wobbly just to go across I don't know and also I mean if you look at today's play in particular the way

that New Zealand played an India side and Australia side that they wouldn't have like that young attack bowl like they did no they wouldn't you know they'd have players

that go out there particularly early you're on your debut, I'm going to hit you. I thought actually New Zealand just sat in. Almost like, oh, when you're going to bowl a bad ball? You know, when you're playing against a very inexperienced attack, which you've got two part-time. It's been as no, Jacob picks up two at the end there.

But I think a more proactive team would have gone at England a little bit harder today. Glenn Phillips came out, Blundell. Straight away, when Blundell actually arrived, it got Darren Mitchell playing a little bit better because it was a little bit more proactive, a bit busier. And you could see that Mitchell was starting to hit the ball. I think it's the kind of pitch that you can really be. not being ultra-aggressive,

but you can put the bowler under a little bit more pressure than I saw. For half the day to day, I thought New Zealand were quite pedestrian in terms of their mindset in trying to play the signal. I think that's a little on cricket, aren't they? And they've had that nightmare experience at Lords. What about Joe Roots a day as captain? You're out there at the toss, Jonathan,

and you said to him, do you know how long you're going to be doing it for? And he said, not entirely. It suggests that he's got some sort of inkling about what the future. Well, look, I think it's sort of Michael and Alastair could talk about that. And actually, I spoke to NASA about it as well later, saying, look, in Joe Root's position, before you accept this, do you ask the question, look, okay, I'll think about it. How long do you want to do it for? And I think you said he would ask that question.

And even in NASA, interestingly, I've said, no, I'll just, yeah, I'll just do it. But I thought that that answer did suggest that he does know. But of course, we don't know the answer to that. whether it's going to be short term or long term. I thought he actually had a really good day, Captain. I mean, Joe Root, our fresh memories of Root, or freshest memories of Root as captain, were very negative because the awful ashes

and then everything fell apart in the West Indies. So they're kind of the fresher images in your mind. I just thought he was a bit more adventurous today, a bit more enterprising. Very tight fields, he said. It's quite a lot of stokes about that. Leg slip, two leg slips. I can't remember everyone.

England with that. I mean, it's just something, a bit more proactive than I think it has been. He's had the best seat in the house for four years watching Ben Stokes, and he delivered a Ben Stokes-style captain seat performance. I agree. That's the best praise I can give him, because I think Ben's a wonderful tactician. I think he makes things happen. I think he gets into the bat his heads with field settings, and I thought Joe Root, and I'm trying to think back to when he was captain.

Did he have days like I've just watched? I don't recollect many. I'm sure he did, but I don't recollect Joe the last time he was captain having such a proactive day as he has done today and that was the Ben Stokes' captaincy way today. So he stood there at Slip thinking, oh, this is what I could have done actually. Yeah, I do, yeah.

He had a hard time. I mean, you know, he had Joe Roots' captaincy career was sort of blighted with quite sort of bad luck as well, wasn't it? I mean, you know, COVID and all that. It was quite a difficult time for him, I think. A lot of noise off. But I know, I'm in Michael. I think, you know,

that field and that really tight setting was what Ben Stokes employed in Pakistan the first tour, wasn't it? We really put pressure on the batsmen could only see fielders all around them and I've not seen Root captain like that before and with such a young and inexperienced attack

I thought he handled it, it really well. So 291 for seven at the close of play where's the sort of balance of the game are England quite a long way ahead, do you feel? It seems a strange thing to say when you're seeing them, you know, might well get 350, say, in their first inning. Well, you can't really say that

until you've seen both teams bat on the same surface. I can't see the pitch deteriorating, so it's going to be a good pitch tomorrow. I look at the New Zealand's sack and look at Nathan Smith, Matt Henry's pace. And I thought today when the paces were up, so Geoffrey Archer, Josh Tongue, Sonny Baker,

they look threatening. I think Matthew Fisher, throughout the day, when his paces were at 80, he didn't look as threatening as those that have got that extra bit of pace. So I'd be very interested to see how New Zealand's attack. I think O'Rourke's going to be a huge key. And I think O'Rourke's got it in him on any pitch to cause some damage. If he has an outing tomorrow with the ball, he could easily get a few wickets.

England could find themselves in trouble if they don't bat well. But on that pitch, which has got true bounds, and you can just time the ball square of the wicket here at the Oval, and it flies to the boundary. I'd be amazed if one of the England top six don't get a big hundred on that. runs for Roo tomorrow make things interesting although he kept

nicely today well he's done some miles behind the behind the sticks because he's flying down the leg side yeah he had a good day I mean he'd be disappointed

with that flying one hander but it'd have been an amazing catch he'd have been an amazing catch he's a bit of stuck yeah he had a good day beyond even though there was a lot of extras I don't think they were down to him primarily it was down to a lot of wide bowling

and the odd kind of flick off the hit which didn't down to a vacant fine leg there were two kind of leg slips which was offering nice and easy boundary So yeah, he had a good day. I thought all the debutants had a decent day. Jordan Cox took a nice catch at the end,

running back off Jacob Bethel. But we'll know more tomorrow night, Simon. We'll see how they bat. We will indeed. Let's get some New Zealand reaction. Let's join Dan Norcross again. I'm tired to say I'm joined by Tom Blundle. Top scorer today for New Zealand with 51.

In what were a curious taste cricket, I thought, Tom. Yeah, I think if you look at the score, like 290 for 7, you know, you'll be somewhat happy. If you take two wickets off that, it probably would have been a really good day, getting those two cheap wickets, or losing those two cheap wickets at the end. But I thought GP and Daryl and we're able to build a few partnerships along the way. Did the pitch play exactly as you'd expected? Everyone comes here and bowls first, so you kind of lost the toss you'd probably have wanted to win yourself.

Did it play as you thought it would? Yeah, I think we were pretty optimistic going into it, getting put in. You know, it's quite refreshing to come here and get on a good wicket. and you know the previous test wasn't a great one but no it was a nice batting track and it felt like you could sort of go and play your shots well it's south london so the conditions are very different of course here talk us about the dismissal that wasn't because you got a little flick down the leg side and then you walked so you got all virtually all the way off the pitch before you were called back yeah i think as a keeper you know you sort of know if it's out but um i turned turned

around and i thought he got it and i was like i just got to walk off but then obviously the replay Shody, you know, there's a little bit of ball touching the ground, so pretty fortunate. A little bit about the England's tactics with the ball. They went hard at the back end with the softer ball. Was that a sort of indicator that the pitch is quite lifeless? I think, you know, the pace of it's still there. I think it's quick enough. You know, the way Jof came in and bowled towards the end, and I think he bowled pretty, you know, extended spell there and, you know, showed good energy. But I think it's a good batting track and it's a wicket you can sort of play your shots.

I think if you put the ball in good areas, you can still bowl well. What are you guys thinking of as a roundabout par? I'm not sure. I think, you know, ideally in an ideal world, 350 plus. You know, that's a little bit off. It's about 60 runs. So if we can get there, I think we'll be pretty happy. And just finally, a little word on the way Glenn Phillips batted

because obviously it was quite tough early on. Ball was doing a little bit, ball was new. Glenn came in and took a very different approach. Was that sort of pre-planned, or was it just simply that's the way that Glenn plays? I think that's the way he sort of plays. He's pretty box office. And when I was out there with him, it was pretty entertaining. But he chose that way to play.

And he committed to that. So he's not out. So I hope he can come back tomorrow and get a few more. So thanks so much for joining us. Good luck tomorrow. Well about it today. Cheers. Thank you.

Tom Blundell, who made 51 today, the first half century from a New Zealand player in this series. Though Phillips is on the verge of doing that, he is 49 not out and back for more tomorrow. So then when New Zealand are bowled out, England get batting. We just mentioned potential vulnerability in New Zealand attack about their paces, Michael. But they might look at that England batting line and say, you know, there's Gay, there's Bethel, there's Rue, there's Cox, and then there's quite a long tail.

You know, there's some inexperience there as well. So that might just lift New Zealand spirits a bit. Yeah, I'm Bend Duck. It needs some runs at the top. He's an experienced player in this team. Then you've got obviously Emilio playing his second game. You've got Jacob Bethel, only into his first. few games. He's not had a great deal of time in the middle.

Joe Root didn't look so fluent at Lords and thought Harry Brooke looked good, but you kind of look at that batting line up from a New Zealand perspective. I think if you get two or three early ones, they can put them under pressure. But I just look at the pitch and the true nature of the bounce and the way that you can just time the ball at the oval.

And again, you wouldn't say to the team, look, you've got to get 400, but it's the kind of pitch that a batting unit, you know, one or two should get in and you should be able to score 400. If they want to be a really quality side, even though they've got a lot of younger players, the good young players. You know, if you want to be a good test match side,

you know, on the back of what's happened in the winter, on the back of what you've had at Lords, as a batty, you've got to know when it's in your favour. And I think tomorrow, I think it'll be more in the batting favour than it will be the bowling. You've got to make it count. I'm really looking forward to tomorrow, actually, to see how England do bat, you know, in good conditions.

Lords told us nothing. Let's see if Bethel can build on that brilliant hundred at Sydney. Harry Brooke, you know, how has he? he going to play when England really do need a big score. All those sorts of things, one or two unanswered questions hanging over from Australia,

Cox and Rood. I'm looking forward to seeing them. Actually, yeah, it's a big day tomorrow. I'll look forward to it. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. Five Lights 4th. My favourite World Cup moment.

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