Test Match Special - Asia Cup: Lack of handshakes the focus as India beat Pakistan

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Nikesh Rughani and Aatif Nawaz discuss all the latest stories from the 2025 Asia Cup.They talk about the events after India's win over Pakistan in Dubai, after India had beaten Pakistan by seven wickets.There's reaction from India captain Suryakumar Yadav and Pakistan head coach Mike Hesson. Plus, how have Bangladesh started the competition?

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The Asia Cup is well underway and not without its drama as tempers flare between India and Pakistan after the players did not shake hands following India's seven-wicket victory. So what happened? What's been said and what's the reaction been to the events following the match in Dubai on Sunday? To go over it all, I'm alongside Artif Nawaz. Good morning to you, Artif. How are you? Morning, Nick.

Yeah, very, very good. It's been an exciting season. and I thought things would wind down, but I think we're going to have a fun discussion today. Absolutely, yes. Now, we've often joked about the lack of drama, haven't we, amongst ourselves in terms of results on the field when these two sides play,

but there was certainly lots of drama after the game this time around. Before we focus on the match itself, we've got to talk about the handshake situation, as some of you may have seen on social media. And to give some background to the tensions between India and Pakistan, the latest tensions, the latest incident which has caused back, blood was the Belagam terror attack in Jammu and Kashmir, which is in Indian-administered

Kashmir. Twenty-six civilians were killed by gunmen in April this year, 25 of whom were Hindu and Christian tourists. India blames Pakistan for being involved in the attacks. The Pakistan government denies all this, but the incident almost led to a full-out war when airstrikes were being launched by both nations for three days in May this year before a ceasefire. In cricketing terms, India will not travel to Pakistan and vice versa even in major tournaments so as we've seen in the champions trophy and women's world cup alternate neutral venues will be used here's what india captain surio kumar yadav said after the match i feel few things few things in life are ahead of sportsman spirit also

and i've already answered it i've told it at the presentation as well that uh we we actually stand with all the victims of behelgum terror attack and we stand with their families also express our solidarity also as I said at PC that we we dedicate this win to our brave armed forces who took part in Operation Sindur and as they continue to inspire us all we'll try our best whenever given an opportunity to inspire them as well so that if those the thoughts of India Captain Surukumar Yadav he said some similar things in the post-match presentation that was from the press conference which followed he was asked obviously about the lack of handshakes and that was his response what would you make of that um to be honest

I was really disappointed um because there was so much to talk about and celebrate in terms of the cricket itself if this sort of sequence hadn't played out right now we'd be talking about how amazing uh india's bowlers were we'd be talking about galdi biaf we'd be talking abyshek shirma there were so many good performances to focus on but like it was barely the cricket was barely referenced in the press conference um you know of course course, like you've mentioned, there was this huge, you know, big issue between the country. Issue isn't really the word. It doesn't have the magnitude, but you know what I mean, right, between the two countries. But I was really hoping the sport would be at the forefront on this occasion.

It would be more about sport. It would be an opportunity to build bridges. It would be an opportunity to move forward. There was a lovely incident in the crowd during the match where I think one of the Pakistani batters was dismissed really early. There was an India fan in the crowd who was sort of celebrating in the face of a Pakistan fan. And then they just sort of hugged. And it was like, it was like a reminder of old days where you could do that without being lambasted on social media. Yeah, it's very disappointing. Like, you know, it's quite clear and it's been subsequently become more and more clear that it's come as a sort of a directive almost from the government that, you know, these are very important statements to make.

politically maybe it didn't look great for like lots of lovey-dovey hugs and kisses and things like that on the pitchers which I sort of understand but I feel like the bare minimum is a handshake and my thought is that if they were uncomfortable with the handshake the Indian team at any point they simply should have refused to play the game like I feel like it's just my opinion nobody else is but if you feel like you can't shake hands with your opposition you shouldn't be playing against them at all and so if there was some

issue, it should have been directed to the people who are insisting the match take place rather than the people that you played against, you know, it was just sad really because like the whole discourse is hijacked by politics rather than the thing we've liked it to focus on, which is cricket. Yeah, of course, and there has been a lot of talk about potentially India not playing against Pakistan at major events, and we'll get into that in just a little a while. But let's get the reaction of Mike Heson, the Pakistan coach, who also gave his thoughts on the handshakes in his post-match press conference. Well, look, obviously, we were ready to shake hands at the end of the game. We obviously

were disappointed that, you know, our opposition didn't do that. We sort of went over there to shake hands, and that had already gone into the changing room. So that was a disappointing way, obviously, for the match to finish in a match that we were, you know, disappointed the way we played but certainly were you know we're willing to go and shake hands so sticking with handshakes as well there was no handshake at the toss and this has become a bit of an issue now because of what happened after the game had the players shaken hands after the game like you normally do in any cricket fixture anywhere in the world whether it's club cricket village cricket or international cricket then I think there would be less focus on that but you know videos are

coming out now of sort of where the toss took place and the fact that that Salman Agha and Suryukumar Yadav didn't shake hands. There was no attempt to shake hands. It wasn't as if, you know, Surukumar left him hanging or anything like that. And the Pakistan cricket board has alleged that the match referee, Andy Pyecroft, had instructed the Pakistan captain Salman Aga

not to shake hands with Suryukumar Yadov at the toss. They've sent a strong letter to the ICC, asking him to be removed as a match referee for this competition. I mean, it just keeps going on and on and on this whole incident. It starts with, you know, just a lack of handshakes after the match, now before the match. Now the match referees apparently instructing the Pakistan captain not to get involved. I mean, according to the letter that the PCB has written to the ICC,

they alleged that Andy Pyecroft handed his microphone to the Pakistan Media Manager because he didn't want to be recorded or for this to be leaked anywhere and then allegedly instructed Selmanaga that, as per the Indian government's wishes, there will be no handshakes before the match at the toss and just to avoid anything like that while they were tossing up with Ravi Shastri there. So, I mean, your reaction to that as well, if that is true, that is huge, isn't it? The Indian government potentially getting involved in instructing a match referee at a cricket tournament to make sure that the captains don't shake hands.

I mean, you couldn't make it up, could you? No, it feels like something out of an espionage thriller, doesn't it? It feels like something out of a Jason Bourne or a James Bond film. I, well, look, again, like you said at the very start, Nikesh, like the context is important. And, like, you know, there's, because of the situation between India and Pakistan, because of the tempers and the, you know, the very, very aggressive language that has been used across the board by fans,

it's like it's a situation that sort of people might feel like they need to mitigate now my sort of thinking is I can sort of understand a government thinking it's not a good look for our captain to be shaking hands with the captain of a country who we've got very strong hostilities with at the moment I can understand that but the way to do that on a cricket pitch is to communicate it beforehand now we've seen this happen with sort of Russian and Ukrainian athletes not shaking hands in tennis and things like that but it's agreed upon before, and it's not decided, like, moments before the toss happens. Like, I felt so bad for Salman Aliaga, who ended up getting, what, a three-ball duck in the match. Like, it's the biggest match of his life.

He's captaining Pakistan for the first time against India. You know, the eyes of the world are on it and all this sort of war hysteria and war her. And then he's been told before the match starts, allegedly, okay, but he's been told that you can't, you know, you can't share cans. And now this is a new layer of quite a heavy thing to put on somebody just before they enter this big match. Like I think if they'd made an agreement beforehand, both boards or governments or teams, whatever, that we're not going to do the handshake thing, so no one's going to be embarrassed. It's just an understood thing. We're not going to do the handshake thing. I think it would have been fine.

I think, you know, people wouldn't have – there might have been a little bit of noise, but it wouldn't be what it is right now. You know, the end of the match was a really bad look because sort of the Indian players won the game, disappeared into the changing room, shut the door of the changing room. Pakistan's players sort of waited on the pitch for a while and then left, and it was obviously very embarrassing for them. And it was a double embarrassment because they've been embarrassed on the pitch and how they've been embarrassed off the pitch. And the second bit was really, in my opinion, unnecessary and quite disrespectful. Absolutely. Now, look, these sort of incidents, I guess, between the two countries go back decades and decades and decades. But in our lifetimes, I guess, 1999 was the first time we remember the two countries sort of, you know, having this level of tension between them. it led to the Cargill War of 1999 and then post that sort of relations took a couple of years

to rebuild, didn't they? You can understand, I guess, from an Indian point of view, on the ground, lots of the Indian public just saying, well, we shouldn't be playing them at all. We shouldn't be playing matches against Pakistan because we're basically almost at war with this country. Why would we want to play them in cricket? Cricket is not important. People are dying out there on the border and in Indian-administered Kashmir, and we just don't accept this as a sort of any sort of relationship with Pakistan. And the Indian government has been quite clear on that for a little period of time, but that stance has loosened,

and they've instructed the BCCI that they can play against Pakistan at major tournaments, such as the Asia Cup. So that said, you know, there was a lot of talk about the fact that this Asia Cup might not happen if India refused to play against Pakistan, and then that could have a knock-on effect to World Cups and then where do you end? But the fact that they have agreed to play, they could have quite easily used this as a sort of, you know,

an example, I guess, to people of both nations that, you know what, we share so much, we've always generally got on, the people on the ground don't really have beef with each other. It's, we don't see any incidents, do we? You and I have covered India versus Pakistan matches all around the world and you see nothing but friendship on the whole in the stands. You see you see couples.

You know, I remember at Old Trafford in the World Cup that was here in 20, when was it, 2019 now, it was that long ago. You know, there was a couple, there was an Indian man, a Pakistani woman who were married, they had a kid. The most that they got into an argument about was who their daughter was going to support when she grows up. She was a baby in arms at that time. and I think the Indian gentleman was winning the argument at that time

but you never know what could have happened in the years gone by but it's all a bit of fun you know you see people sharing food in the stands you see people you know shaking hands giving each other a hug at the end of the match no matter what the result and they get on with it and that is the example that cricket can set people of you know both nations on the ground isn't it and that was a big opportunity missed I feel at that match yesterday i completely agree with you i mean i saw a lot of content creators because obviously it's an india-baghistan match so you're going to have content people about and uh you know so a lot of them

sort of doing sort of friendly content um uh after the match of in an india shirt going and interviewing bagistani fans and like then vice versa and things like that just getting opinions and keeping it on the game and about which players it like somebody asked the question like if you could have one of the indian players in your team who would you have and this lady without hesitation was like Hardik Pandya, just, you know, we'll give you any of our people, just give us Hardik Pandit. I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a huge segment of the fan base who just want to watch cricket. Like, you know, life can be very depressing. And, you know, that's cricket is supposed to be entertainment and escape from that, escape from some of the,

you know, difficult realities that people have to deal with on a day to day basis. And yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. It's an opportunity missed. It's a shame because every little bridge at the moment is so tenuous. Um, you know, You know, you almost think maybe it was better if the game didn't happen at this point. Although maybe I'm thinking with my Pakistan cricket fan hat on the game, because they took a hammering. But, like, I think, like, you know, my whole, my thing, thought of it on it, sort of adjusted, because I was watching it and thinking, okay, like, you know, if you didn't want to play the game, if you felt like, you know, there's an issue of sort of patriotism or sedition or anything like on those terms, then you could do what the players during the World Championship of Legends did, which is just. refused to play. Now, they sort of did it irresponsibly as well by doing it at the very last minute, disappointing fans and such. But you have a lot of time to decide that you don't want to get

involved. If you feel like you're being compelled to be involved, then at that point, you need to take that issue up with the people who are compelling you rather than the team opposite you who's going to play. And, you know, I know a lot of Pakistan fans were really, they were ready to obviously be very critical of their own team, but also, you know, recognize the brilliance of the Indian team because they were superb on the pitch, yes? today. But, you know, I don't, I think now, obviously, we'll go through it, but generally the game itself and the little patterns and the little moments of it have sort of been massively overshadowed. Yeah, I mean, it's, it seems a long, long way, Artif, doesn't it,

from that 2004 India tour of Pakistan, it was a number of years since India had taught Pakistan, I think 15 years since the last went there when Sachin Tendul Khomedi's debut, in fact, in 1989. They didn't go throughout the entire 90s. And then in 2004, they finally had a test tour of Pakistan with an ODI tour attached to the back of it. It was known as the Friendship Tour, and then they ended up touring each other, didn't they, several times over the next few years. And the relationships between the players were brilliant. The relationships between the two nations were very good at that time. And, you know, Indian fans were crossing the Wagab border in Punjab, going over to Pakistan. There were being.

offered free accommodation they were being offered free food off the streets and in restaurants they weren't being charged for things they were being given gifts and then the indians replicated that when the pakistanis came over in 2005 i mean that's the kind of thing that can build bridges between countries and it seems unfortunately that we're a long long way from that you know we'll wait and see because they're probably going to play each other again in the in the super four stage so So, yeah, I don't think this is quite done as of yet. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. To embrace the impossible requires a vehicle that pushes what's possible.

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Every weekday will bring you a story from this intersection, where the world and America meet. Listen on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about the cricket. And, look, ultimately, it was another one-sided affair, wasn't it? But it doesn't take away from the fact that you probably watched every single ball of that right up until the end, Artif. Oh, of course not. Yeah, oddly enough, I was watching it at a friend's house who, so he's Pakistan, he's married to an Indian woman.

It wasn't as tense as I thought it was going to be, so I was quite pleased about that. But, yeah, no, I mean, you sort of, I think I jokingly mentioned in our, in our chats before this podcast that we could just record. the opening to the podcast yesterday, another comprehensive victory for India. And I was kind of proven right. Look, I mean, both teams are at a very different stage in their development, and it really shows, I would say, India looked very polished. I mean, Surio Kumaryadov, even though he's sort of, like, you know, relatively new to this role of, like, captain of India's T20 team, he just looked very polished on the pitch. You know, he was very smart about the way he made his choices. I was really impressed with the way he snuck and over in from

Abhishek Sharma to prevent Hardik Bandia to have to bowl. at the death. It was just a really clever move that will probably go really under. It's sort of of one of those things that goes unappreciated in the game of cricket. Because even towards the end, even sort of the mighty Jasprey Bhumra, because of the nature of the pitch, he's going to take some hits and, you know, like Shaheen got them away. But really, the headline for me was the masterclass from Gouldeep Yadav. He was just phenomenal. I mean, the minute he got stuck in, Pakistan's batters just looked like they had no real response to him. I don't think anybody made anything of substance other than Sahib Zadha.

Iran, who got sort of 40 less than a run a ball in a T20, but even that you sort of don't begrudge him because the quality of the bowling was so good. It was hard to find a solution for them at some stage. That's what I thought anyway. Yeah, I mean, he top scored with 40 from 44, but it was really Shane with those hits at the end, wasn't it, who got them up to, I don't know if you can call 127 for 9 from 20 overs respectable, but at least something for the Pakistani bowlers to have a go at. 33 not out from 16 balls, four sixes in that and some huge hits. He has got the capability to do that at the back end of the innings, but yeah, he just was let down really by that middle order. Who couldn't handle India's spinners? As you mentioned, they called it be out of three for 18 from his four overs,

Aksha Patel with a couple of wickets, one for Voron Chakravati. And I think it's quite heartening from an Indian point of view as well, that three wickets went to the seamers. Of course, Jasbit Brumra is always going to be in the wickets. He picked up a couple. Hardik Bandia picked up one, two. And on those pitches in the UAE, those dead low, slow pitches,

which take a lot of turn from ball one. I think it's a positive sign from an Indian point of view that their seamers also got stuck in and in amongst the wickets. And then with the bat, it was always going to be a very low total, given India's destructive batting lineup.

And I guess the Shaheen Shah-Shafridi threat really would have had, you know, bad memories for India in the UAE, that 2021 T20 World Cup, I believe it was where he just blew India's top order away. But different top order this time, fearless Abyshek Sharma at the top, kind of nullifying that Shaheen spell at the top, two over as none for 23. And first ball of the innings,

he dances down the track and smashes Shaheen back for four runs, gets the ball on the full. And I think that really set the tone for the chase, didn't it? it did i think you know shaheen was guilty as he often is actually of just overpitching and looking for that swing he knows there's nothing in the surface there for him so he wants to bowl as full as possible whereas i think he really could have taken his cue from jasprey bummer a little bit earlier on who bowled a length who maintained a length for the most part and then went to the fuller delivery as a sort of change up um you know just pre brummers first wicket the bold he got was from a you know

a yorker length delivery which is you know fine but you know you've got to you've got to take into account, the buildup. I feel like Shaheen recently, he's been going for that magic ball quite a lot, like looking for that magic moment where I can just get through the bowler, but really he just, you know, like if his captain had a little bit more gravitas, perhaps, because he's still a young captain, Salman Aliaga, you could just walk over to him. So just, you know, don't be so greedy. Just pull back your length, put some pressure on the batters. As you say, it's very hard to contain Abyshech Sharma. He played some terrific shots, really exciting. I was sitting with somebody who didn't know much about him, and I was telling them,

You know, this guy is an incredibly special player. And, you know, in his first 17 matches for India, he's already got 2-T20 International Century. So he's a big, big player and a big star. And, you know, he played some great... It was slightly soft dismissal, I thought. But at that point, you could argue the job was pretty much done. Sorio Kumayyadav, again, you know, with his captain's knock,

just didn't do anything too flashy. Just, I thought, you know, reined himself in a bit just to make sure that there were no, you know, there were no more incidences. he could just guide the team over the finish line, which he did quite, you know, quite serenely, really, in the end. And one thing I didn't have on my bingo card, Thichesh, was Sime Ayu being the top wicket taker for Pakistan.

It took all three Indian wickets to fall. I think they're trying to use him in a sort of modern-day Muhammad Hafiz role, where he sort of opens the batting, opens the bowling, and things like that. But, yeah, it was always like 127. Well, he looked fine. But it's just, the Pakistan. had a lot of hype around their mystery spinners as well, Abra and Sufyan. Maybe if they had a few more runs to work with, they could have been more potent, but generally it felt like, you know, India had that chase pretty much in hand.

I don't think there were any major or even minor really threats to the result at that point. And the fact that it went 16 overs, I think, was a bit of a, you know, that in and of itself was a bit of a surprise, given that India's top order destructiveness. but yeah it was quite alarming in a cricketing perspective certainly for Pakistan because it felt like the Gulf was quite wide and there's no sort of immediate response to that normally you look at a loss and you think okay we could have executed this better or that better or that better but like India kind of dominated bat ball field so if they do meet again in the super fours which we think they will it's almost certain but that requires Pakistan to beat UAE and that's

not a given folks yeah it's it's hard to see what Pakistan do differently you know it was suggested the toss, like, Pakistan won the toss, decided to bat first. And, you know, Surukwayayath, the toss was like, well, you know, we were going to bowl first anyway. So, and you sort of understand why on that kind of surface. They've got to sort of go back to the drawing board and do a little bit of work. I think for Pakistan, if you don't execute your plans 100% bang on, you're not really going to have a chance against this Indian team. I think the positives from Pakistan point of view. You mentioned Abra there, didn't take a wicket, but was very, very tight against some.

really good hitters of spinning that Indian batting line at four overs, none for 16 to go at four runs and over. Brilliant, but obviously given the low total that India were chasing, it wasn't really enough to peg them back. They needed wickets, didn't they? Pakistan and Sayam Ayub, three for 35, his figures, look, I know you laugh when you say he bowled okay, but he had some potential in there. He's not a front-line bowler, but he can do a job in the power play, and a couple of really, really good deliveries, which I think were encouraging, particularly against, you know, opposition that might not be as potent against playing spin bowling going forward. So some positives for Pakistan with the ball, you'd say.

But, yeah, certainly I think work to do if they've got any ambitions of winning this tournament. But they've done it before, haven't they? Look, they've started slowly in World Cups. They've started slowly in other tournaments too. And they've ended up just peaking at the right time. 2017 Champions Trophy, prime example. You and I were there for most of that. So don't lose hope, my friend.

I'd shake your hand right now if I could and give you a hug. I appreciate you, bud. Of course, there's reasons to... Obviously, we watch the game, we hope for the result. But just watching that performance on the pitch from India yesterday, I think it was just really clear how they've taken that rivalry and sort of made a big gulf in the two teams. Like they used to be quite a close game, India, Pakistan.

In modern times, more and more, become more of a foregone conclusion that India are heavy favourites and then you just have you know the few outlier games that Pakistan can can get over the line but yeah generally I think you know right now India is going through a golden period in terms of talent obviously world champions champions trophy champions so you know this Indian team is something very special the depth that they have I think there's few in the world that could challenge them right now yeah I think so certainly favourites for this competition and probably the T20 World Cup next year on home soil too.

But guess what, Atif, there are six other sides taking part in the Asia Cup as well, yes. Are they? And look, we talked about it, didn't we, in the first episode, that this was not the most difficult group for India and Pakistan. You'd expect both them to qualify Oman and the UAE, the other two sides in their group. In the other group, things looking quite tight already. Bangladesh have played a couple of games. They've only got the one win.

They lost to Sri Lanka, of course. Sri Lanka and Afghanistan both winning their only matches so far. Afghanistan yet to play either Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, but they beat Hong Kong quite comprehensively, as you'd expect. Let's talk about Sri Lanka versus Bangladesh. I mean, Bangladesh going into that match off the back of a victory against Hong Kong, which I actually predicted would be a difficult match for them. Maybe I was just trying to wind Roche and Allum up on the previous episode,

but it wasn't to be. They got past them quite comfortably in the end, but coming up against a very strong Sri Lanka side and Sri Lanka with a comfortable victory. You know, chasing 140 to win, got home six wickets in hand, more than five overs to spare. It was all pretty business-like from Sri Lanka,

and, you know, you look down their lineup as well. They've got some experience, some talent, some real street-wise cricketers in there, Batam Nisankakosal Mendis. Kusal Pereira in that line up Dasun Shanaka, Asalanka, of course, the skipper. And then with the ball, so many of these players play franchise cricket all around the world, the likes of Nuantushara, Dushmanta Jamira, Matisa Patirana, the clone of Lassith Malinga. Winindu Hasaranga, of course, has been playing in the IPL for a number of years too.

They've got lots of streetwise and know-how, and they know how to win tournaments. They've won this tournament a fair few times in the past as well, six titles in the Asia Cup across formats. They seem to get the business done when it matters. They do. And the schedule wasn't very kind to them, I thought, because the first, it's like some teams that played two matches before they got to play the first one. And also, everybody else, all the other test-playing nations

got to play against an associate nation in their first game. But Sri Lanka had to play Bangladesh, a full member nation, in their first game. So they didn't get that, I mean, it's not disrespectful. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but that sort of warm-up match in inverted commas. They didn't get that. All those matches were really one.

side and i'm sure you'll run through the results in a sec but they were all everything's been one-sided and then you get this match and you think okay this is going to be tight it's going to be close but Sri Lanka just sort of reminded everybody that we're here too like there's all this india pakistan stuff people talking up afghanistan's chances and oh bangladesh with rich and tru lanka hang on a second hang on a second we won this tournament six times we're here and just don't forget um it will be a very interesting three way between those three teams but just looking at that Bangladesh match against Hong Kong, I mean, they looked strong and the result sort of flatters their performance a little bit for me. Because if you looked at all the scorecards,

oh, right, Pakistan win one-sided against Oman and India win one side against UAE, and everything's fine. But the Bangladesh one sort of flatters them a bit because Hong Kong for a minute, maybe it was just a minute, but for a minute it felt like they could create a surprise there. Sri Lanka looked very, very strong, as you say. And I think, you know, whilst everybody, everybody's eyes are sort of elsewhere. They can quietly just work themselves into a good position. They will have a tough game against Afghanistan, but having come through a game against Bangladesh, you'd sort of back them as favourists to finish on top of that group. Yeah, Sri Lanka certainly look stronger, and you'd expect them to be qualifying for the super fours.

Afghanistan looking strong too, given their line-ups. So you'd think they would be the two favorites. I mean, in terms of Bangladesh, though, let's focus on them a little bit, because they're going through a transitional phase, aren't they? Some of their senior players, star players of yesterday year have stepped down, particularly from this format, and, you know, they've, although they've got the likes of Littendars and one or two others, Mehdi Hassan, who have been there and been to World Cups and have that experience, you've got some real young players coming in and actually making a bit of an impact. Jakar Ali played well in that match against Sri Lanka towards the end, getting them up to

that total of 139. They've got Rishad Hussein, the young leg spinner. There is talent coming through Bangladesh. And I guess a change of approach is what they're trying to look at. They're trying to play modern T20 cricket as opposed to the sort of ODI format across 20 overs, which is what they've done over the last five or six years. And they're trying to do that by changing personnel. It's going to take a bit of time, isn't it, as these things do? It's exactly the same as Pakistan. I mean, you have to accept that you're going to have a transitional phase as a team. if you're going to invest in a new direction, new personnel, new team and a new philosophy, which is what, as you say, what Bangladesh is trying to do.

And again, just not having two short memories. Like, they just won a series against Pakistan in the T20 format. And that's a big result still for Bangladesh. So, you know, they have got some positive results. It's like, it's, you know, easy to sort of over-amplify on one game. But they do have the, they definitely have the personnel to beat Bangladesh, to be Afghanistan, I beg your pardon, which they obviously now need to do to go through. and perhaps hope that Sri Lanka can beat Afghanistan as well.

But, like, you know, they can be, there are a lot better that they showed themselves to be against Sri Lanka. I just think, again, everybody was caught napping against Sri Lanka a little bit about, just sort of slept on Sri Lanka, thinking about everybody else. But Sri Lanka was kind of like, you know, on the sidelines of everybody's thoughts. But, yeah, you know, without a doubt, it's a good team. It's a team that will take time to gel to come together and build something. Not everybody can do what India does. I don't know how India does it really because they blood new players

and they immediately perform and it goes back to Surukamari Adder's first game it goes back to Ishan Kishan's first game Abhis Sheikh Sharma I mean you can't ask for more than a player coming in and starting hitting centuries right off the bat in a T20 international so you know every team has to sort of accept

like every other team I should say has to accept a period of of just you know where you're going to get mixed results and difficult results and I think that's where Bangladesh is at the moment Yeah, exciting times, I think, ahead for Bangladesh, given the amount of talent that is coming through. Look, plenty of time to go in this Asia Cup as well.

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