Test Match Special - CWC Day 11: Impeccable India, sticky bails, and David 'dot ball' Warner

Episode Date: June 9, 2019

Michael Vaughan says India are the best team in the tournament so far after a 36-run win over Australia. We try to make sense of the conservative Aussie chase, particularly from David Warner, and ask if it's only a matter of time until a sticky bail incident proves pivotal in the outcome of a match.Plus, we speak to Jimmy Anderson about his first World Cup experience with England back in 2003 when a decision to boycott their match in Zimbabwe ultimately cost them a place in the Super Sixes.

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Cricket World Cup. This is the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. There's a mix-up. Oh, there could be a run-out. There will be a run-out. It's a tie. Australia is in the final. The captain has scored the winning run for Sri Lanka, who have won the World Cup for the first time in their history. That's it. The West Indies have retained the title. Oh, it could be. O'BW and India have caused one of the greatest upsets in the history of all sport. Welcome to the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup, where India have laid down the gauntlet to the rest of the tournament

with a 36-run victory over Australia at the Oval. Michael Fawn's thoughts on that result coming up very shortly will also discuss the sticky bail situation and speak to Jimmy Anderson about his memories of the 2003 tournament where England's boycotting of their match in Harari ultimately saw them eliminated. The TMS podcast, available every day during the Cricket World Cup. Overall, it's been a comprehensive victory for India.

Brilliant with the bat. Excellent with the ball and in the field. Michael, your thoughts? All right, outstanding India. The best team in the tournament I've seen so far, well, the best two performances against South Africa, now against the Ozzy. They look a very, very committed team.

Had a few extra days off, settled in the UK. Virat Kohli, he's got this team buzzing. Played very well today. Every facet, you know, the batting, Shikadawan at the top of the order. Virat himself, few cameras. M.S. Doni, Hardik Pandya, and with the ball in hand, they've got great variations and options. I thought the way that they started, Bummer and Bubbenestra Kumar, you're defending it's a big score,

but you've got to be on the money against Warner and Finch, and they were. They just bowled dot after bar, dot. Friott Kola was tactically very astute. Yeah, they look quite the team to beat for me in this tournament. You tweeted earlier about the way that Australia were playing and the fact they look dated. Now, I know it's only one defeat in this World Cup. They've got two victories, but do you foresee? see maybe a change in order. Not necessarily personnel.

They might change the personnel, but do you foresee a slightly different style of play from Australia in forthcoming matches? I'd advise them too, but, you know, it's the way that they've played. They've played this style of cricket back home in Australia. They've played it quite recently. They've played that way against England

when they beat them in the warm-up game. It was a very old-school way of playing. You know, at the end of the tournament, we'll judge them on whether it's good enough to win a World Cup. I'd suggest that they can be a bit riskier and they'd be a bit more aggressive, particularly David Warren.

He just had one of those days where clearly he wasn't seeing it that well. He wasn't hitting them that well. He tried to hang in there and then he held out. And really, once you've used up that amount of boards, you've got to see it through to around the 45th over. He couldn't do that. You know, I don't think it's doom and gloom. You can't be in that dress room in five minutes time saying,

right, that's it. We've got to rip everything up. They'll stay true to the values of what they believe in. But I would advise that they need to be a bit more aggressive with the bat. As for India's batting, you know, the amount of half centuries that scored coldly looked in great touch. Dawan, Sharma, you know, they are a dominating type of, you know, they're only 41 after the first power play, but the way they can accelerate and just pick up boundaries seemingly at will whenever they decide to step through the gears.

Yeah, well, the Indians don't fear the spinners in the middle, so if they do get a start like they did today, they did bat themselves as soon as a slow bowler's come on that they can really catch up. And once the ball gets a bit older, you know, they really bat themselves again to strike the boundary at will. They know they've got players down the bottom end that can damage in the last 10 overs. They've got the experience. They're a wonderful team. They've got pretty much every ingredient that you'd want in a one-day team. They're beatable.

I think all these teams in this walk-up, I don't see a team that's not beatable. We've seen England get beaten by Pakistan. We've seen the Aussies lose today. This Indian team are good. But certainly, if you get them on a day that you play well, you can certainly beat this Indian team. But so far, if you were asking me to do a school report, and who is top of the tree at the minute. I would say India are a team that looked like the side to beat.

Well, thank you, Michael. Let's get some reaction then from the two captains, Veracoli and Aaron Finch, and there with Sanjay Mandraker. Maybe just too many runs on the board. Maybe 25, 30 runs in excess, you would think? Yeah, absolutely. I think they got 120 off the last 10 overs, which is a lot. We probably didn't bowl our best stuff.

But saying that, when you've got wickets in hand and you've got damaging players to come, I think the first, we struggled to get wickets early on, And that was the key. When you've got experienced guys and powerful guys that are coming in and got some time to bat and get themselves in before they have to go, it makes it tough to stop anyone. I've been a huge fan of the kind of seam bowling quality you have in your side,

but somehow today it didn't come across with the results that were expected. Would you put that down the page or the way you bowl? I think being a used surface, certainly didn't help with the new ball. There wasn't a huge amount on offer there saying that. We could have been a little bit straighter. We could have been a little bit more back of a length to dry it up a little bit at times, but that's tough because you want to get wickets early. You know where they're batting line up with it.

They've got so many good players throughout the order, and then they bat very deep as well that you want to go for wickets, and you have to do that. So it's just one of those games. They just outplayed us. Would you be thinking of any kind of bowling combination change? I know it's very soon after the game, but somebody, a specialist bowler in,

somebody like Nathan Lyon to add more variety or a barren doll left arm, Seymour, you're happy with the current combination? You look at everything, and like I said before the game, you assess the conditions, and we're off down to Taunton tomorrow, so we'll have a look at the wicket down there when we get there, and then we'll be in a better place to make a decision on that kind of stuff. But you look for different combinations and different balances all the time. And when you got out and their reaction was understandable, any batsman at that stage would have felt the same way. You're looking so good, man, the rhythm was set, and your wicked, I think, was one of the turning points in that run chase. Yeah, I hate getting run out more than in here.

Yeah, you are rubbing it in, but it's one of those things. your back your partner's call I could have said no it was just one of those things we're looking to start picking up the tempo a little bit and yeah that happens in a game of cricket there's 10 ways to get out and I found one of them hard luck today all the best for the next game thank you mate cheers right we're going to talk to

Virad Koli the winning captain now well it was one of the marking matches where I just go back to you know many weeks by people looking forward to India Australia at the Oval and finals that matches over and what a win I mean you've got to be proud of that win today absolutely a top top win for us, especially after, you know, losing that series in India.

We had a little point to prove and to beat this side, which was playing really good cricket in the last two games that they played as well. So I think we just came here with intent, right from ball one when we were batting. I think the opening partnership was outstanding. I got a few runs, you know, Hardig, the way he played, MS. I think, as you said, it was an absolute perfect game for us. And with the ball as well, it was an absolutely brilliant start on a wicket that was quite flat, to be honest. But yeah, we were very professional again with the way we played and that

always pleases you as a captain. So many of your wonder wins in recent times have been scripted by the bowlers. They made, you know, the impact and the match winning impact. But this one, the batsman can take sole credit for this because once that total was set up, no matter what the conditions, you're looking at one likely winner. Look, I mean, you again have to bowl well as well. You can't just take things for granted just because you have 350 plus on the board. Yeah, but I mean, those 30 runs extra always gives you a luxury. A 320 compared to a 350 is a whole different ball game. As I said, opening partnership was really good.

Rohit got out, unfortunately, Shikhar converted it into 100. Brilliant again. One of the top three getting 100. So then I was holding one end, and we decided to send Hardik into Cashin. And he could just hit from ball one. You know, then we had a conversation that I should hold one end so that he can express himself. I did that job in between. I got a few boundaries as well.

So I think all in all, the way we wanted to play, We were able to play like that and that always pleases you, as I said. Exactly. I think it went according to plans. I loved the versatility as well through the innings, you know, the change of gears from different batsmen depending on who was at the opposite end. About bowling, I mean, you can talk forever about Bumra and Chehel and Kulip also bowled well.

Bhuvonishu Kumar, because there was a bit of a toss-up between him and Shami for the first game. You pick Bhuvi and what a choice it's been. Well, for us, I mean, if Shami plays, it has to be proper overcast conditions and the pitch has to offer a lot. But Bui, you can't take Bovey's performances for granted in the one-day format. He's been a champion bowler for us, you know, picks up wickets with a new ball. And with the old ball as well today, I think those two wickets and one over of Steve and Stoines was a little bit of a game changer for us.

You know, they were stringing in a partnership and then he gets two people out. So, yeah, very, very professional. Again, I don't really have anything to say because these guys are so experienced now and so professional in what they do, you hardly need to say anything to them. A few discussions here and there and they're off. know exactly what they want to do. And the good thing is that the plans are being executed at the moment, which is a very good thing for the team.

From BBC Radio 5 Live, this is the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. So that's what the two captains had to say. Let's get some thoughts inside the TMS box. Andy Saltzman, our statistician is with us, and we have both sides of the debate as well. Australia and India with Jeff Lemon and Prakash Vakash Vakankar. And, you know, it seems as though Prakash that India are the most you know, up-to-date unit, they're playing the most modern cricket.

They've got all of the tools that really necessitate a real good run at this World Cup. Well, they were certainly impressive today, Dagger, no question about that. I don't know if it's very early in the tournament really to be able to be talking about who is or isn't the best side. I think Australia might have actually played into India's hands a little bit with that rather strange batting approach in the first 25, 28 overs that all of us were discussing. Because there wasn't that intent. The rotation of strike didn't seem to be a priority. 47 out dot balls for David Warner, very unlike him. Stephen Smith run a ball.

But there wasn't that sort of intensity, I thought, in trying to get the ball to the ropes. A singular plan, hoping that Maxwell, Stoinus and everyone else, and Kerry, as we saw later, would come in and sort of smash 180 of the last 10 or something like that. seemed to have been the strategy and I guess when you go with that with that sort of singular approach you run the risk of either it comes off or it doesn't well that was the Indian view on Australia

let's get the Australian view on India then we might as well Jeff Lemon it was I mean 352 at the halfway stage and it always seemed and I think it's fair to say that all of us in the box thought well do you know what that is probably 40, 50 too many for Australia to chase down

the way they played India I love the way that they promoted Hardik Pandya up the order and it's a kind of style that you've seen happen with Glenn Maxwell in the past you've seen happen with Josh Butler for England and so Hardik Pangea that little promotion that little injection to join Virat Koli I thought that really spurred India onto that big total well it wasn't that little it was worth 48 runs in 27 deliveries and it really showed the difference between the versatility of India versus the drudge of Australia they were stuck in the mud they didn't put Glenn Maxwell up the order they actually pushed Usman Kowaja down the order which

really torpedoed their chances of getting going but India turbocharged their innings Pandya came in and did that and then Doni did the same 27 off 14 so even though Coley was at the other end scoring at about 8 and over through the last 10 his partners were scoring it closer to 14 and over so between them they piled on runs at the

end and it was really almost a perfect ODI innings every section of it clicked they did what they needed to do survive the danger at the start and then cash in from then on let's go back to our respective countries then Prakash, Ustay with India and Jeff, you stay with Australia. Some tweets that have come in on Australia.

And obviously, you know, they've got two wins so far in this World Cup. And as soon as a defeat happens, people are very quick to climb on the back of them. But I think with genuine cause in this particular one, Rob Meach says, do Australia think they're playing in the 1999 World Cup? Their brand of cricket with the bat looks outdated and Rich Waters goes even further. And it's even more damning of Australia when he says, has Geoffrey Boycott got a job as the Australian batting coach? So there was a period where Bhuvanash Wakuma was bowling to David Warner.

And we saw Warner in the Indian Premier League this year. He won the Orange Cap Award for the most amount of runs. He was blistering for Sunrises this year. Where's that David Warner gone when it comes to 50 over? Well, here's an interesting thing. He didn't necessarily score that fast all the time in the IPL. He had a couple of slow innings. He had a lot of innings where he accumulated ones and twos briskly,

but he wasn't smashing boundaries. He didn't really seem to have the power game of old. and he certainly didn't have that game today, but more crucially, he wasn't even looking to turn the strike over early. Australia lost by 36 runs. David Warner faced 46 dot balls in his innings. There's a difference right there. You can't be coming out chasing 350 and be 25 off 50 balls.

It'll be 50 off 75. It just doesn't add up. So he soaked out a huge amount of the Australian innings and then said to his teammates, well, I've left you 40 overs to play with good luck. Well, absolutely. And it is that old school and arguably dated. fashion of one-day cricket, which seems to have been surpassed by India, even though India and England do it in different ways. India sort of amassed their total, while England sort of

crunch their way to sort of 340s, 350s. But are they playing a little bit too conservatively? I also throw in for Australia, team selection. You know, I would like to see Nathan Lyon playing in the side, a genuine second spinning option along with Adam Zampa. And maybe the bowling of Nathan in Colton Isle, their reserve bowling looks a little weak as well. But actually from a batting point of view, it just seems like, well, we're going to bat at sort of four or five and over for the first 35 overs. And hey, Glenn and hey Alex, can you do his a favour at the end and smash it all around the park?

Yeah, well, that's the thing, is that it looks like a closer result than it was because Kerry and Maxwell have flattered them. Carey 55 off 35, Maxwell 28, off 14. They closed the gap that the other players had left. Coaja, Warner, Finch did, his bit and was run out by Warner. But even Smith was going at a runner ball, 69 off 70, in the sort of innings where you can't really afford to be going at a run a ball. You need to be pushing that a bit. They needed over seven and over when they started the match.

And that very quickly got up to nine, nine and a half. And those players in the middle weren't doing enough. But I think a big part of it is because I've been saying since before the tournament, they picked the wrong squad. And because of the wrong squad, they can't pick the right 11. They've got Warner opening. They've got Coaja who should be opening but isn't being allowed to open because water is. Who's not come? Well, I think the key thing is that they needed to either drop Coager entirely or keep

him as the opener. It was one or the other. And they've tried to have a foot in each camp and say, well, he's made runs. He has to stay in the squad. But he can't play in the position that's his best position. And so then he's a liability when he's not opening. He's terrific as an opener. Don't get me wrong.

But he can't do that job further down the order. Peter Hanscom didn't come, who's a much quicker scorer through the middle. Ashton Turner didn't come. Who's devastating down the order. They don't have that power batting. no one except for Maxwell. And so Maxwell comes in when you need 12 and over. And you say, over to you, Glenn, take it away.

Well, you can't expect him to do it more than one time in 20 in that sort of situation. Well, before today, Australia had not lost a World Cup match while chasing since 1999. That's a stat from quick info. Speaking of stats, Andy Saltsman is to our left-down side. And Andy, what other pearls can you give us? Well, looking at Jasperit Bumra, who was superb again today, three for 61. and those figures didn't flatter him given that he hit the stumps from David Warner

with his first ball and the bales didn't fall off and of the boundaries he conceded where there's five overthrows and two edges for four from over 31 to 50 he's been absolutely superb for India since the last World Cup

89 seam bowlers have bowled 30 overs or more in that phase of the innings Bumra has the best average at 15.3 and fraction ahead of Lungi and Gidey who's absence for South Africa is proven very costly and the second best economy rate

5.06 I've got a teaser for you here Daggers. Can you tell me which of the 89 seam bowlers who've bowled 180 balls or more in over's 31 to 50 of ODI since the last World Cup has a better economy rate than Jasperit Bumrah. Norman Van Nuir of Papua New Guinea. Absolutely correct. There you go. It's always it. It was on the tip of my tongue

I just remembered it was that particular one. We've talked about the woes of Australia. Thank you, Andy, for that. And also, thank you for the answer that you actually prompted me with. I'm not going to say that I actually knew that one. But Prakash, let's turn to India as well as, you know, we talked about how Australia struggled in this particular chase. But India have played a fabulous game of one-day cricket today.

And, you know, of course, are one of the favourites for the tournament that they were prior to the start coming in the second of the world. Dave Roberts has tweeted us via hashtag BBC Cricket. Cricket. He's saying this India side is the best in the tournament. No, weak links. Is he right? No, I wouldn't say that. I mean, you think about it. Five bowlers who did a decent job. Kedar Zada was supposed to be the sixth, went for 14 in the only over he bowled. I think a little bit of the bowling side of things will need to get tightened up. Yes, Australia had a big total to chase and therefore the way the bowlers have gone in terms of runs per over has to be put in the context. for that total, but I would still be concerned a little bit about not having any backup to those

first five-choice bowlers. Hardik Pandya, for example. No, it's not, and I'll tell you why, because Hardik Pandya is not very far, I feel, and touch wood from that back. You saw him at least twice or thrice sort of grimacing on the lower back, so there's a risk there. I'm wondering why Mahmachami hasn't played, though I'm sure there is a good reason for it. they probably unleash him against maybe Pakistan or New Zealand when the time comes.

He's fresh. So other than that, from the batting perspective, I think, as we've said right since the tournament, or even before the tournament began, I guess, the middle order hasn't been tested yet. I know it's only two games. Yeah, true. But the fact is, Royth got 100 in Southampton. Devon got one here. Coley's got some runs.

So it's again those top three. And what will be really interesting is to see how the middle order coops if India are three down for not very much. And then that remains the weak link for India. They will need to figure out a way. They haven't been tested so we can't comment. But in theory, those two areas, the sixth bowler and the middle order, would remain my concerns. I mean, it's interesting. And I laughed for him and you said, you've got five bowlers, but we're not having anything really backing that up. I mean, you say about Shami and Jadaja wasn't playing as well. So they're not too not bad response. He did. And because Shikidawan took a blow to his thumb,

earlier on today from Pat Cummins, whereas Australia, we've been talking about the backup bowlers for Australia, they've got Cummins and Stark, and then you're looking around because, you know, Nathan Colton Isle was going the distance, you know, Marcus Stoynes as blows hot and cold, so, you know, if Australia were to turn around and have a similar problem that India have got, they'd be absolutely delighted. There'd be probably favourites for the World Cup. Only seven bowlers to pick from. Wow, what a terrible point. What a luxury. Well, Jason Berendorf might have been a good pick in hindsight, that left arm angle but there wasn't a lot of swing

out there and he often relies on swing early but Nathan Lyon was the obvious. He also gets awkward height and you know we saw him in the warm up game against England he bowed very well at the Hampshire Bowl against England Berendor for that obviously with a change of angle you know but he's slightly different to Mitchell Stark A that he's not as quick

but he does get bounce he hits the pitch hard and he's awkward to try and force away he gets different bounce he gets steeper bounce Stark is relatively flat and Berendorf gets it to pop up out of the pitch and that did startle England a few times. People often say, well, you can't have two left-arm bowlers, but no one questions having two right-arm bowlers, so why not? But I think Nathan Lyon was an

important omission on this wicket, because it turned for Glenn Maxwell, it would have turned for Nathan Lyon, and he might have been able to exercise some control. Just a final point on India, if Indian fans, Prakash will put that, to put their hand on their heart and take all of their love for the side away, would they believe that India are favourites for the World Cup? Or would would they look at the rankings and think actually, you know, home condition suit England, if they were to be as neutral as they possibly could be? I think it would only be somebody who's not a very good student of the game, Dagger, who would say that any other side except England are clear favorites for the World Cup here in England

this particular edition. Emotion aside, England, as I've said before, really do have the depth and the variety they're going through a great run of form they've got the sort of backup options both with the bat and with the ball and as a result of that they seem to be the best equipped now obviously you've got to perform on the day and as we've said before four or five six teams can actually beat anyone so I would say England remain favorites any of the other four could on their day make it happen there was one major talking point from the match and it was I remember I was on commentary, and it was Jaspert Bumra, who bowled to David Warner, I think it was in Bumra's first

ovary, induced an inside edge from David Warner's bat, and the ball trickled back onto his leg, and at decent pace hit the base of his leg stump. I'd said he'd bowled him, I heard a big clunk from ball on stump, and then the Zingbails did not fall, nothing flashed up, and Warner survived. This is not the first incident of this happening in this World Cup. There's been five instances of this happening already in 14 matches. Jeff, what does? I mean, obviously they're not going to change the bails during the course of this tournament. But surely this is going to be, there's going to be an incident that affects the outcome of a game when a ball has actually got the victory over the batsman.

Well, one did because if David Warner had been bold, Australia might have won. So, look, it's day 11. We've had, what, 13, 14 games. And we've had five instances of someone being bold, having the ball hit the stumps. We've had the stumps be clipped and we've had them be bumped into, rolled back. and it was a pretty decent connection this time. It was a hefty thud, wasn't it? Yeah, it didn't trickle into it.

It bounced and hit it, you know, a third of the way up. And I think we've seen if the ball hits more than halfway up, the bail tends to come off, but if it's below halfway, it doesn't seem to fall off. So you can't have bowlers bowling batsmen who are not out. It just doesn't make any sense. What's the, what do the ICC do here? I mean, they've released a statement, Prackash,

and I've got that, we asked the ICC about the weight of the bales. And as people saying it's too, They're too heavy. They're almost three times as heavy as a normal bail would be. And how they can... We asked about the weight of the bales and how they compare with normal bales. The ICC say zing bales are in the middle weight-wise between a normal bail and a heavy bail. These are the exact same bales and stumps that they've been using for four or five years

and there are no plans for any changes for the rest of the tournament. But it's a little... Look, I'm always of the opinion that the batsmen have it all their own way when it comes to one day cricket, even four-day cricket and five-day cricket as well. Now, here's another instance of the things going against the bowler as well. You get your man, you've not the stumps. And, unfortunately, after all of your hard work, the batsman stays there. I mean, what do you see or what could there possibly be that changes this situation?

Well, two quick things. First, not surprised by the comment, because status quo is always the most comfortable place for everyone to be. But I think common sense would dictate that if you have a problem and you can fix it, and I think I'm not a great physics expert, but it's simple. If you just sort of shorten the groove in which the bales sit, it's bound to be a little more sensitive to having some impact at the base or within somewhere the first third of the stump. I couldn't agree with you more.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I agree that that is the perfect solution. But then isn't the height of the stumps then slightly adjusted? If the bales are sitting a little bit higher, then even though it's going to be by millimeters, the height of the stumps will be, you know, higher than the normal. Well, I guess you just have to bang them in a bit further. Just give it two more tongs with the handle of the bat or whatever they use.

But that being said, I don't see it changing. And, you know, then you have to go back and say, like everything else in life, this tends to average out. That's got to be your assumption. This is Mark Wood. Make sure you're subscribed to the TMS podcast on BBC Sounds or your usual podcast app. You'll get a new episode each day throughout the tournament. You can also email the team on TMS at BBC.coord.uk.

Woo-hoo! Well, thank you, Jeff. Thank you, Prakash, for your contributions, and we'll hear much more from them throughout the course of this tournament on Test Match Special. Still to come, we're going to hear the first in a series of chats with Jimmy Anderson on where his four World Cups with England went wrong. But first, if you've been a regular downloader of this podcast during the tournament,

you'll know we've embarked on a quest to find listeners in every country in the world. Well, on yesterday's episode, we had correspondence from Chile, Japan, and Papua New Guinea, where Norman Vanua came from, and in the earlier statistics, they're the most recent three ticked off the list of the 193 UN member countries. We've already had emails into TMS at bbc.co.uk from 66 of those. That's around about a third. I'm looking at that, Andy Saltsman, my simple maths. Let's hear some emails from today. Start us off. Well, Paul Weston, who claims he is a loyal listener for over 40 years.

We're just going to have to take that on trust. Says, I'm loving your World Cup coverage. Born and Bread in Yorkshire. Why is it always born and bread? Should it not be the other way around? I suppose he should. I mean, I'm not a biology expert. No, no, absolutely.

Bread and Born. Let's move on. I emigrated to Canada. They always want to say that from Yorkshire, though. When you're from Yorkshire, they always want to say, I am born and I am bread. I'm just not, I'm not from Yorkshire. I'm born and bred, Yorkshire. Paul writes, I emigrated to Canada in 2005, however, I do a lot of travelling with my business and spent last week in El Salvador and Costa Rica, where pretty much the only sport on TV is, of course, football.

So, well, do try to convert, you know, all nations, wherever you're writing in from to cricket, that will civilise the entire planet. Well, absolutely, especially in that sort of neck of the woods. This came from Michael Thraves, who's enjoying the TMS podcast, as I plan our route through Malawi to, to, to, to, to, ensure we have signal to follow the England matches. Africa. There you go. That's as much as you're getting from me, geography-wise, on Malawi. Graham Innis, he says I'm an Ozzy. Well, listening to the pod

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I could listen to the live commentaries and the TMS podcast. It's worth it. They've been great. And finally, thank you for that, Graham, on the North Atlantic Ocean. Simon Lee writes, Dear TMS, I've been listening to your podcast each day while bouncing along in a Marsh Rutuska, a little yellow bus. I'm absolutely convinced I've not pronounced that correctly. You've been able to see that word longer than I.

Have I got that, that March Rutska? A Marsh Rutska. It's a little yellow bus on his commute to work at the British. International School of Ukraine and Kyiv. So there you go, Simon. So we've ticked off, well, we've ticked off an ocean. And we've also ticked off the Ukraine, Malawi, El Salvador and Costa Rica. So that's another four to the list.

So we're up to about 70 plus one body of water. Not bad for a couple of downloads, is it? Not bad, daggers, no. And, well, on the subject of Iceland and Norway heading up to the Arctic Circle, we saw some glacial batting from David Warner. How's that? I mean, you worked in local radio. I think I've got a few.

is world class from you. Breakfast shows all round. He's scored in this World Cup, his two slowest half centuries. Took him 77 balls to reach 50 today. That's his slow. Almost as slow, curious batting from what India have now won. 13 of their last 14 World Cup matches.

And Darwin has three centuries and five innings at the Oval in one day international cricket. The highlight of the day for me, Dagger. Well, one low light when Hardik Pandeyer out for 48, two runs short of it being the first occasion in World Cup cricket history that the top four of a team had all made 50. Two runs away. Heartbreaking for you. However, things were rectified on the cosmic scale when all of both teams' top fives made quarter centuries, an underrated landmark in cricket. Well, it certainly is, and it's surprising that

they didn't raise their bats, just maybe sort of halfway. Yeah, look at that's the first time that's ever happened in any one-day international over 4,000 matches. What a centuries for all 10 players in the top five in this game. Well, thank you, Andy, but now it's time for the first in a series of chats with Jimmy Anderson about the four World Cups he played in for England. Preparations for this edition of the tournament were extremely successful, and Owen Morgan's side have had two comprehensive early wins under their belts, but Jimmy's experience were less successful.

Four years ago, dumped out in the group stages, 2011, saw defeats by the Netherlands and Bangladesh, And in 2007, there was the pedlo escapade in the Caribbean. But we start with 2003, with England's boycotting of their match with Zimbabwe and Harari on political and safety grounds, costing them a place in the Super Sixes. So I guess if 2003 is your first one, you've got enough on your plate and your mind, Jimmy, without all the other stuff that's going on, politics

and whether or not your play teams and that sort of stuff. Your overall memory is one being just a little bit uncertain. I mean, it couldn't have been the most settling World Cup for the first one for you. No, well, I'd only played a handful of games as well for England. I played maybe, I don't know, seven or eight games in Australia before that. Before that World Cup, I mean, as a 20-year-old, I think I was at the time, you know, I didn't really expect to be in that position at that age. I didn't expect that to be what international cricket was about.

You know, the outside things that were going on. And it was a big distraction because there was meeting after meeting about whether we're going to go to Zimbabwe and the consequences of not going and things like that. So it was a real eye-opener for me and I guess not what I really expected from my first experience of a World Cup. Did you say anything? Did you say a single word in any of those meetings? Probably not. No. We had a lot of experience in the group. We had NASA as captain, Alex. Stewart was there, Andy Caddick, you know, we had plenty of experienced players in the room, so I kind of tried to listen as much as I could, try and take on as much information as I could and try and make a, you know, when there's stages where we're going, having a show of hands

who wants to go, who doesn't want to go, sort of thing. So I was trying to make as educated a decision as possible. Probably shouldn't have been a decision that the players had to make. It should have been taken out of our hands and dealt with in a better way, in a different way. no there wasn't from a player's point of view there wasn't any division what was NASA like in all this to be honest I thought NASA was brilliant when I look back at my career he's always someone who helped me a huge amount and especially in those early stages and a lot of people see him as a quite a hard-nosed captain a sort of strict captain in that respect and you know whatever he said goes sort of thing

but I think what maybe it was I was fortunate because I was a young young lad and not played many games but he was very good at putting an arm around me and helping me saying the right thing to me at the right time and just getting the best out of me so I've got a soft spot for him and I thought he was brilliant in that

situation did you actually feel threatened were you at all frightened and worried I mean it was a difficult one because the threats that we got to the you know to our hotel rooms were sort of saying you might be safe if you go to Zimbabwe

but how safe will your families be at home so the guys that have got young families that were immediately thinking well I'm just not going it's not just there's no point in risking anything for that I remember Matthew Hoggard I think might have even just had a kid

you know so things like that he just wasn't even willing to take any sort of chance was there any part of you thinking is this really what I came into cricket for of course yeah I think that's what everyone was thinking You come to a World Cup and everyone's really excited about it. You know, it's Alex Stewart's last World Cup,

someone who's been an absolute legend for England, English cricket. So everyone's really excited about what these possibilities are. And then all of a sudden you've got something so, you know, like I said, it shouldn't have been down to us. We shouldn't be having to think about things like that. But there was some cricket, and you took four weeks. wickets against the Netherlands, four wickets against Pakistan. So England beat the Netherlands, Namibia and Pakistan, lost to India and Australia.

But taking wickets. How did it feel generally, if you were to be asked, how did you get on in that World Cup? How did you think you fared? I thought I went pretty well. I really enjoyed it. The game in particular at Cape Town against Pakistan was the first game that my family came to watch. So my dad, my granddad, uncle, cousin were there. first time they'd seen me play for England, which was exciting, and obviously I did well.

And there was a lot of English, a big English contingent there, that game. And I just, I remember a lot of the fans, as they're going out of the ground, they were behind the dressing room. So they were sort of chanting, like the Barmy Army with their songs and things, and all the lads poking their heads out of the dressing room windows to see what's going on. That was a really special moment for me. Because that would be more or less a first for you, to get that sort of feeling. and overseas as well and all that support. Yeah, exactly.

It was just an amazing feeling and I think that's probably the first like the first real moment I thought this is what I want to do, I want to keep playing for England for as long as I possibly can. Because there comes responsibility with that as well. I mean, I've heard you talk as an older man, shall we say, about the fact that you love it when England supporters say

I was there when you did this and you made my day when you did that and all that sort of thing. there was a realisation of, for one of a better words, some responsibility to all this as well. It wasn't just about you, was it? You were carrying the hopes of a nation, so to speak. Yeah, but I guess you don't think about that too much, especially at 20 years old.

I was just enjoying being around that group, playing in a World Cup, having watched many World Cups on TV before that. So, yeah, I was just enjoying it and trying to... At that point, I still didn't know... I didn't know if I was going to play test cricket for England I still didn't know where my career was going to go and I just wanted to enjoy the moment a little bit.

Knocked out at the group stage didn't make the super sixes so obviously it wasn't great from that point of course there were no points to be had from the Zimbabwe match as well. Can you remember how you felt how the feeling was amongst the rest of the squad? I mean there's no guarantee

we'd have beaten Zimbabwe but if we'd have got those points would have qualified and then we had to beat Australia in Port Elizabeth to qualify and we were doing quite well actually I don't think we got many runs but we were doing pretty well had them seven or eight down but they had bevan

at the crease and Bickle and then the I think it was the penultimate over and NASA he had me or Andy Caddick to go to and he came to me and Andy Bickle hit me onto the scoreboard the big electronic scoreboard

at Port Elizabeth which pretty much that was game finished then so I was obviously devastated but that was one of those moments where NASA came to me at the end of the game and he said you know I've got this guy who's played so many times for England. I could have gone to him, but I thought you were the right choice. So take heart from that, the fact that he put responsibility in me as a 20-year-old day.

So that, for me, it stuck with me throughout my career, that him giving me that responsibility. Amongst all the politics, just to finish off, I mean, there was the Andy Flower, who you got to know very well later on. You didn't know him so well then. But Henry Longer, as well, with the black armband protest. Can you remember what you felt and thought? about that because again it's all this stuff that perhaps as a kid they're in burney you wouldn't

have realized it was all part of of the big stage for cricket all the politics and the stand they made that day yeah as you say as a 20 year old I was like I didn't really sort of grasp how bigger thing it was looking back it was obviously a massive statement from them I think I feel like a world cup shouldn't have or sport maybe shouldn't have these political sort of things going on I think we should focus on what goes on in the field but they felt that, you know, and it was a huge statement from them. I suppose it proves that the global game of cricket

does gain that attention, doesn't it? That gave them a platform and that's the platform the game does give you. Yeah, and I think, again, as you said, probably an eye-opener for me, the fact that this is a global sort of, you know, it's a big thing around the world, and it's not just a few people in England watch you.

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