Test Match Special - CWC Day 19: Sensational Shakib, wilting Windies and Curran for Love Island?

Episode Date: June 17, 2019

We're in the England camp ahead of the match with Afghanistan; Eoin Morgan refuses to rule out a return for the axed Alex Hales, whilst Mark Wood gives us the lowdown on his TV schedule. Curtly Ambrose is withering in his assessment of the West Indies' bowling as Bangladesh knock off the second highest run chase in World Cup history, and on its twentieth anniversary we replay the unbelievable finish to the 1999 semi-final at Edgbaston between Australia and South Africa.

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Corsacra Bowls. He smashed it. Smash it high down the ground for six. Into the seething crowd it goes. You've never seen anything like this all around the ground. Bonfires are going in the stand at the far end. Australia have won the 1987 World Cup. And straight towards Stokes, it takes an incredible, one-handed catch. Unbelievable. Welcome to the TMS podcast from Taunton where Bangladesh have pulled off the second highest run chase in World Cup history and with 51 balls to spare. We're also in the England camp with Owen Morgan and Mark Wood

before their game against Afghanistan and with a tournament now at its halfway stage we'll take a look at some of the most interesting stats and trends. The TMS podcast, available every day during the Cricket World Cup. So, a review of Bangladesh's crucial victory over the West Indies to come. We'll also relive arguably the most dramatic moment in World Cup history on its 20th anniversary. But first, let's focus on England against Afghanistan. That match taking place on Tuesday at Old Trafford.

We'll hear from Owen Morgan, surely. But first, Mark Wood's been speaking to the BBC's Stefan Schemelt about his TV watching habits. 8 o'clock, goggle box, 9 o'clock, Love Island, 10 o'clock, Graham Norton. That was a weekend. We've seen it advertised that you can go on Gogglebox and I think Maine Plunker are desperate to go on. We always have a laugh looking at and Plunkett's always got something to say about it.

So I think it's a natural trend. Hopefully we can get myself on. What would your style be? If you were to pitch yourself to the Gogglebox producers, what do Mark Wood and Liam Plunkett bring to Gogglebox? Well, Pudsey's humour. It's got to be one.

He's one of the funniest guys in the team. He's got different voice. that he puts on different accents and he's not he's not shy of same what he thinks so I think he'd be great to have on and for myself I'll just repeat whatever puts he says so I'll just back him up and not on MacTover and early thoughts on Love Island well I originally got into it because Max Morley a guy that played for Durham he went on the first ever one and I was good friends with Max when he played at Durham and since he's been on

obviously he's got a I think he's girlfriends from Love Island from last year so you just have to keep up with that so I can see a face every time I see Max but lads are loving it it's a part of the chat and I can't quite break into the it is what it is slogan yet it's not really my thing so I kind of quite get it is what it is in my dialogue yet you've got to have one person from the England squad to be on Love Island got to be Tom Curran got to be Tom Curran he's got a about about a 1% body fat on him.

He's one of the single lads and he's got good chat so without a doubt he's even got the little tattoos he's got the tattoos, he's got the slip back hair, he's got the tan Tom Curran 100%. Well I'm sure they make a pretty entertaining

duo on Gogglebox those two. Back to cricketing matters now, much attention on England's injury concerns with Jason Roy's hamstring tear and Morgan's bad back. Let's hear from the skipper. He's been speaking to Eleanor Oldroyd. Morgan, welcome to the TMS podcast, and it's great to see you sitting down because at your press conference at the end of the game in Southampton, you couldn't sit down. How is your back now? Yeah, my back is a lot better. I'm moving a lot more freely and the pain has gone away.

A huge credit to our medical staff the last two days. Both medication and treatment has been on point. So hopefully if I pull up in the morning not stiff and sore, I'll be good to play. So that's really exciting. You're not 100% certain though. No, nothing can be guaranteed when something's happened so quickly. Obviously, the response to the treatment and the medication has been very good from my body, but we don't know how it's going to pull up tomorrow. So what goes into making a back spasm better?

A lot of anti-inflammatories, a lot of painkillers and a lot of treatment. I think if it was any other time, we might take a little bit more time to have a look at it because it's the World Cup, it needs to be fast-forwarded. And I'm thoroughly happy with that. I don't want to miss any game, whether it's against Afghanistan or Australia, I want to play every game. And at risk of making this sound like an addition of casualty, how is Jason Roy and his hamstring? Yeah, good news with Jason. You know, you're always a little bit worried when the hamstrings, how bad they can be,

and potentially how long guys can be out for. Unfortunately, he'll miss the next two games, but giving him every chance to take that week, to try and respond to treatment and medication and give him the best chance of getting himself back into the tournament. Are you confident that he will be playing for England again before the end of this tournament? Yeah, I'm very optimistic about him returning to the team at some stage. I'll be very conscious and not pushing it. Obviously, that will be dependent on results from our side, how we're going in the tournament and what games we need to win to try and get into that semi-final phase.

So I think as this week goes along, we'll find out a lot more about Jason and obviously the results from the two games that we play will reflect decisions that we make. So you do want to put a timescale on it, presumably. Could you say, right, let's just not even think about Jason Roy until it comes to the semi-finals, provided you qualify for them? There is an element to that. I think if it was the case, we would look at that.

He is a very key player for us, considering his contribution both on and off the field, but also the form he's in is his career best. And everybody's witnessed it in the summer. summer so far. So we need that Jason Roy back. So the situation for the game against Afghanistan is that James Vince is going to open? Yes, he is. James is going to be a straight swap for Jason. James has been around the site for a very long time. He's not necessarily had a prolonged opportunity given the success of the batting lineup. But his performances in Hampshire have been outstanding so far this summer.

And hopefully he can take these opportunities that presents itself. It's interesting in the press conference, the name Alex Hales came up quite a bit. I just wanted to get to clarify that because it felt to me at the start of the tournament as if he'd had the door closed on this cricket World Cup as far as he was concerned. Has that changed? Well, it's not a conversation that we've had with the chairman of selectors or Trevor Baylis. We haven't considered replacing any players as yet. When we did sit down and have selection, we did outline a number of players

that potentially could replace players if they did get injured. But since then, we haven't spoken to the selection panel. But in theory, as far as the dressing room, we're concerned as far as you're concerned as the captain, would you be happy to see him come back in? I think if Ed Smith came to myself and Trevor Bayliss and said that he felt that Alex was the best option to come back in, we would have to assess how that would sit in the change room

and the stigma that would bring along with Alex. coming back in. But presumably it would involve quite a lot more injuries to quite a lot more key players for that to happen, would it? Here, it's not something that we've talked about. We haven't talked about replacing any player, and I think that's a real positive within itself. But if we need to talk about players, we will at some stage. Let's talk about Afghanistan. They've not had a very happy tournament so far, but sitting here, I'm imagining that you're not in any way going to take them lightly. No, not at all. They're a very dangerous side, particularly we're playing on a used

wicket tomorrow and I think the strength of their spinners is probably the strongest point of their game so the used wicket will lend itself to that so it is going to be a huge challenge for us and one that we're not taking lightly and also on top of that

it's quite a big week for us with games and smaller gaps between games I think the challenge of either coming back from losing a game or continuing the confidence from winning a game is going to be an important part of this. Should you find yourself batting first?

Would you imagine that Rashid Khan will be taking the new ball? He hasn't done a great deal of new ball bowling. They've tended to go with Nabby if there was an opportunity in the first couple of overs. So if he opened the bowling, that'll be absolutely fine. He is a thread. He's a very good bowler. We'll just have to overcome that. I don't know if you've had much of a chance to see, well, what happened here.

today, of course, with India, India, Pakistan. And the way that the tournament is panning out at the moment, who are you allowing yourself to look forward to potential semi-final opponents? No, not at all. We still have a long way to go. We've played some fantastic cricket, but we've also made some really bad mistakes along the way. And those mistakes are the real driving force

behind not looking too far ahead and trying to get results and enough to get yourself to that semi-final position. Which particular mistakes are you learning from most? I think the Pakistan game, the way we fielded in that game really gave us a kick on the backside and drove us forward to try and produce performances like we did in the very first game against South Africa in the field. And I think the energy that that brings and lends to our batting and bowling, you know, breathes within the team. Final word on this, I can give you an exclusive from the Mark Wood column, the new Markwood BBC Sport column, where he reveals that in his view,

Tom Curran should be made available for the rest of the series of Love Island. What do you think of that? I think that's more down to the space between Tom's ears and the shape of his or the physique of his body. He is a body that probably should be on, what's that magazine, for men's health. He really is a bit of a male model.

So that's probably down to that as opposed. to his intelligence. I've not watched Love Island so I don't know what goes on but I just presume a lot of naked men and women doing all sorts so yeah I'll stick to my Tony Soprano I think that's Owen Morgan talking to

Eleanor Aldroyd goodness me the things you get asked as a as a captain at a World Cup. Vic Marks is alongside me Jonathan Agnew is with us as well let's be part of that conversation someone let's move on from Love Island.

Well, can I just say I've got something in common with Owen Morgan now, because I've never watched it either. Right, okay. I have watched it occasionally. Okay. Are you going to declare your hand, Eggers? Yes, I thought you the other day, by mistake. I was a sort of channel hopping on the hotel telly,

and I saw about 20 minutes on me. It was quite interesting. Right, let's move on. Right, Alex Hales. Is Alex Hales in any way a potential replacement, do you think, for Jason Roy? Should Jason Roy prove not to be fit enough to participate in the back end of the tournament. It's a really interesting question. I mean, I rather, although I wasn't there,

obviously, to see Owen Morgan's face, but I think he was telling the truth there to Eleanor when he was saying, look, we really haven't talked about this yet. And he was sort of really backing away from any thought of that happening because they haven't had to confront it. I mean, it's always very different, isn't it, when actually you are faced with a certain scenario and it's going to happen. You have to find a replacement for somebody who is the best person for that. And if you're looking at an opening batsman to replace Jason Roy and playing the same sort of way. Then, you know, if a person is available for selection, and that's always the way that they couch these things, then there must be a good chance that Hales could return

to the fold. But there is obviously that disciplinary side of it that would have to be addressed. But, I mean, I don't think, you know, I think that at the moment they've got Roy, as we imagined the other day when he limped off, targeting the Australia game. That's a week tomorrow, and they'll try and get him right for that. I suspect if it's not right for that, then they might have to look again, but until they're actually faced with the situation, then it kind of in a way, isn't really, I don't think, a very relevant subject. Yeah, I sort

of agree with that. I don't think they will pick Howes, and I think it's unlikely. I think they would give Roy even more time than the June the 25th Australia game, if necessary. They've still got enough batsmen, assuming Morgan stays fit, Vince will get his go. And although they didn't absolutely say way back

when Hales was not selected, that's it. That was the implication of what they said when this thing broke out and they decided not to pick him in the World Cup and there was also the implication there from Mowing Morgan that actually when they didn't pick him

what seemed to be quite significant was the reaction of the senior players to that situation that they thought it would be better not to have him there well what's changed apart from an injury Hayles also has not been playing any cricket at all really since that happily had one game for knots I think

so I'll be amazed. The last game was on the 12th of May. It makes 54 for for Notts against Somerset at Trent Bridge. Oh, well, perhaps he should play then if he got it, isn't that? But I think it's highly unlikely that he'll come back.

I think the likeliest scenario is that he will give Roy every chance. They won't want to recall a replacement. And even if Roy was only available from the start of July onwards, they'd go with him. Yeah, and the people might think that Hales was actually

just jocked off the world. Full stop of that. It wasn't exactly what happened. Alex, I've got the statement in front of me, Alex Hales has been withdrawn from all England squads ahead of the international season was the statement. That was the original words used.

And I then went back and asked the question. You know, he could be reinstated. England spokesman said, we haven't confirmed the squad. This is before the World Cup. But it is unlikely he will feature, not he will not feature. So the door was left open as well, actually.

I don't think they said that's it, that's it and him done and dusted. I think they did leave an opening, didn't they, in the course of that statement. So, you know, he may come back one day. You know, they left an open end, I think. I don't, my bet is that he won't be there. Even if Roy fails his fitness test, they will want to go with Vince, first of all. And they will hope.

Who comes in there? Who comes into the squad? Well, I don't know who comes in. That is a difficult one. But I don't think that they will particularly want to attract all the attention suddenly to have their focus changed by having hails in the squad, probably not in the team, because he's not played. about all that discussion, debate, controversy about what's he doing there, should he be there, etc.

So I just don't see it happening myself. Okay, so Vince comes into the side. But say Roy doesn't make it because hamstring injuries are really problematical. I mean, you're looking, even if that's the case, though, you're just looking for your reserve batsman, but carry on. So Jonathan, who would it be then? They're not playing one day cricket, are they? This is part of the problem. I mean, at the moment, I don't know where he would fit either.

Excuse me, if Vince is going to open, then what area, where are you looking to slot somebody? I mean, that's the issue, isn't it? I mean, middle order? Do they play Moeen, who's not been playing anyway for a while? And he slots into there anyway? I mean, I think, again, until you really look at what you are replacing and where he's going to be. going to go it's really difficult to start shouting names out isn't it yeah i mean you know denley was in the original squel but i you know that doesn't necessarily fill you with it doesn't but i tell you

they won't want to replace anyone they will keep roy the possibility of roy as long as they can even if he can only be available perhaps as the first reserve for the semi-final that would do them right let's focus on the game against afghanistan i've seen quite a lot of afghanistan you've seen a bit Jonathan, you saw their warm-up game against England at the Oval. I think they've been hopeless and disappointing so far in this world. The batting's been terrible, that's the point. I mean, if you look at their economy rate with the bowling, you think your first glance is actually they're doing rather well.

In fact, man for man, they match up rather well compared to England's. But of course, you know, they've been defending such small totals. It's really difficult to read very much into anything that they've done. I mean, I think the really interesting thing about tomorrow's game, and Morgan obviously saw it, was that they are playing on yesterday. pitch and the cool deep delivery to Baba Razan was a beauty and again this showed what a wrist spinner brings to one day cricket and it turned quite sharply and there were other ones too I mean the old finger spinner turned a ball or two so there you know there there is some spin

there and we go back to our usual point with these games about being banana skins and everything else but I do think going into this week with with a couple of injury issues it's a pretty good week actually for well the others to step up and show what they can do against two teams with Sri Lanka coming up on Friday that they should beat anyway. I mean, I saw the game whenever it was at Cardiff. And of course, Tahir. Saturday night. Yeah, Tahir got four wickets in no time, two in his first over.

So they think, well, you've got to play Rashid, because they didn't seem to be picking the googlys very well. And I would have thought from what I've seen of yesterday's pitch that they would want to play Moen as well to go back to two spinners, which poses an interesting dilemma of which. Seema they would leave out because they've all started to come good. Wood and Archer have been terrific. Plunkets been rock solid and in the last game, Wokes had a very good game. So I would have thought on that surface you would want your second spinner or a second spinner, but quite who they

leave out is tricky. We'll wait and see. Is it completely ridiculous to suggest they should play Dawson as well? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. That's fair enough. I asked the question. You gave me the answer. And also as well, we've been talking a lot about this, about batting first rather than batting second in World Cup matches. On a used pitch. Okay, you know, 10.30 start in Manchester, there's been rain around,

but is it a bat first day tomorrow? Well, I think England, I think in this tournament we've seen, if you can get runs on the board, if you can get over 300, we'll see what happens here. You have got a damn good chance of winning the game, and I think you've got to play the conditions.

And if you think it's a worn pitch that might turn a little bit more or get a not come on as well as the match progresses, then you back first. So I don't think, you've got to play the conditions rather than a wee like chasing. There'll be a temptation to shove Afghanistan and bowl. And there will be.

There people will be shouting for that and let the quick boys go and all of that sort of thing. But I think the fact that Morgan very specifically mentioned the warm pitch there, you know, in a way you ignore the opponents, I think, and you just play the game for what it is

and quite right. You play the conditions. I don't know if it's been raining or not today, but it did a little bit yesterday for the quicker bowlers, but like everywhere else we've seen, not really enough. And so I would imagine that Ingle would look to bat first and just boss the game. My deep research tells me that Afghanistan have never batted more than 41 overs in this tournament so far. They've had little starts and then they suddenly, they've lost four for ten. So that doesn't help me in the toss, but I think, you know, That's where they're frail.

The bowlers are good. I mean, those spinners are good bowlers, I can promise you. If Afghanistan could conjure 260, they've got a chance because Nabi and Rashid have had nothing to bowl with in this tournament, but they are very capable. And the seamers aren't bad. Their bowling is so much better than their batting. Just finally then, on a director scale of potential shocks,

I've seen England lose to the Netherlands a couple of times in world tournaments. I've seen them lose to Ireland. How would this one rank, do you think, Jonathan and Victor? I think on current form it would be. It would be monstrous, wouldn't it? I mean, there are four Afghanistan players averaging over 20 with a bat, and one of them bats at number seven.

I mean, England should deal with them, and Victor, they're spelled out the way that a potential banana skin exists, and that if Afghanistan were to get 260 and a bowl second, that you see as being really the only likely way they could win the game, therefore England will make absolutely sure if they win the toss of that isn't a possible scenario for me.

And for all the clamouring, and for all they get stuck in, I just think they'll bat first. They'll do it absolutely professionally, get a big score and then just look to bowl them out and not give Afghanistan a sniff. Donald, put the pressure on them, but if they'd lost, it would be the biggest World Cup

England upset that we've ever experienced. It would, because this is a good England side. We've seen poor England sides muck it up, but this is a good England team if they would lose from Afghanistan, who were in terrible form. I think we could give it the full Monty superlative. This is the biggest ever.

The TMS podcast, available every day during the cricket. World Cup. So here at Taunton, a really significant result for Bangladesh, thumping the West Indies, and you're right, Curley. I mean, they could have chased, who knows, 380 possibly today, even 400. I know the game would have been played out in a slightly different way, but they've scored so quickly. This should give the world of confidence going into the next game and the remaining games. I mean, they've been beating the West Indies for quite a while now. I mean, prior to this game, they won seven out of nine or ten, eight out of ten, prior to the West Indies for quite a while.

game now he's 9 out of 11 so he's not really surprised that they won I just figured that West Indish I thought Westin would have won this game today to be honest at all 322 was a decent total but the ballers came out and bowl absolute rubbish and the Bangladesh capitalized they took advantage of bad bowling and won this game handsomely there was never a moment where West Indus had control they picked up a couple of wickets around about the 18 overmark and she thought they're back in the game but then the runs just kept coming and he got rid of Tamin run out

brilliantly by Sheldon Cottrell and then Mishvika Rahina strangled down the lake side it was 133 for 3 after 19 you felt the game was in the balance but they just took it away brilliant from Litt and Das superb from Shacki Val Hassam there's 124 not out we hope to hear from

Shaki fairly shortly there's absolutely no doubt that he is the man of the match a wonderful display and now the leading run scorer in this world come I just wonder whether West Indies could have got a few more, whether it made much difference if they got a few more, but 322 to win, 321 for 8.

I mean, it felt like a reasonable score, but there were times when they threatened to score more. They should have gotten a bit more, in my opinion, at least up to 360. They were going well, a couple of good partnerships, and then, you know, guys kept getting out, you know, the regular intervals, and the new guys who were coming in had to probably start again.

So I think they were about 61 short, But the way the game ended, maybe it wouldn't have made much difference. No, that's the point, isn't it? They batted so well Bangladesh. West Indies could not control them. And we've made the point about Bangladesh winning games against the West Indies. They've won their last four against them as well on the chase. Now, the last five on the chase.

It started with a match in Bangladesh and then moved on to Ireland. They played that tournament before the World Cup, where Bangladesh really dominated the West Indies. And they've done it again. We made the point this morning when we turned up who are the favorite. today. But West Indies have been exciting. Where's the West Indies side gone that blew away Pakistan, that dramatic morning, the second morning of the World Cup, Pakistan at Trent Bridge? Where is that West Indies side gone? And we saw them do well against England as well

win a couple of matches in the Caribbean against England and play really well, but not today. Well, that has been the problem with this West Indies team over the last few years. The inconsistency. They'll come and give you a bridge. game or two make you think well they're ready for this and then the next few games they look very very ordinary so they're not being consistent and that has been the problem it's not that they can't do it because we've seen glimpses of some brilliant performances but a lack of they're so inconsistent that it's a major headache for the coaching style i'm sure let's have a listen to shakie balfa sam miss simondi's a legend and iCC hall of fame member joel garner who will

We'll give it to Shaqib al-Hassan, magnificent 124, not out, and a couple of wickets as well. Great to see you here, Joel, and thanks so much for your time. Shakib, congratulations. Outstanding performance today. How does it feel? Yeah, it feels great. You know, obviously, stay at the wicket till the end was the most satisfying thing. I've been working on my batting for last month and a half, and it's been paying off.

I thought it was a team effort. I thought it was a stick withstand is in a reasonable total when we... of the innings, we had the belief that if we bat well, you can sense that run. You made a personal decision. I understand you went to the selectors and said you want to bat number three, you want to take responsibility. Why? Well, not sure why. But the thing is, I know that if I bat at number three, I'll get more opportunities. I'll get more time to bat. What happens sometime, you know, if I'm batting at number five, I get to bat at the 30th over or 40th over, which is not ideal for me.

that's what I feel. So that's why I wanted to bet up the order. There is no other reason. How do you think the bowling's going as well now? A couple of wickets today. You happy with everything there? Yeah, chipping in with the ball. I need to contribute with the ball. So I'm working on my bowling tools. At this moment, I think I'm doing okay, but I can get suddenly better. Back-to-back hundreds now. Have you got another one in you for next game? Well, I'll hope so. It will be tough, especially playing against Australians who are in pick of their so we have to, you know, bring our A game. A little word on your supporters around the ground

because they've been magnificent, haven't they? Yeah, they have been supporting us throughout this World Cup. I hope they will keep on supporting us. They have been fantastic throughout this World Cup. Magnificent today, well played, Chucky. Thank you very much. Cheers. Chucky, 384 runs and Aaron Finch in second place,

343 runs in row hit 319 and Warner and Root. But absolutely magnificent. Al Hassan and you can say all sorts of things about the West Indies bowlers but to come out and play innings like that curly under pressure you know you need to win

to effectively stay in the World Cup and he produced a quality player he's certainly produced and the way the manner in which he scored is runs it's not like he was just there trying to survive or pushing and prodding he really took their tap to the bowlers and really

beat them into submission you know I mean they just had no answer for him available every day during the cricket World Cup. This is the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 live. Thanks very much, Kirtley. Let's get a Bangladesh perspective on it. Now, Rousham Alam from the Dusra podcast and the BBC Asian Network is with me. Well, put in context, Arusham, what that victory is for Bangladesh. It's huge. It's saying to the world, this is a team that could get to the World Cup semi-finals and playing in a must-win match like this under significant pressure against a West Indies team

who are big in tournaments, it's a huge, huge thing for Bangladesh. And we now go into a game against Australia, looking like we could qualify for the semifinals. In terms of past World Cups, put that in context, the idea that Bangladesh's come here today, thrash the West Indies. It's not Bangladesh's biggest World Cup win, is it? When I take biggest, I mean in terms of, I don't mean in terms of the result, you know,

eight and a half over and seven wickets, I mean, in taking down a big team. You probably feel that the England game was that in the last week. World Cup, but I mean, it shows how far Bangladesh cricket has come. Absolutely. I think the most significant difference is that Bangladesh are playing to a higher expectation. In all the previous World Cups, we were minnows, underdogs, those were upsets. Whereas this time around, this is a Bangladesh team who come with a lot of expectation. The expectation is that they will qualify for the semi-finals.

People call it the greatest World Cup team ever since World Cup. And they're performing to that expectation. So it's a different sort of feel this time around to say the previous World Cups where they might have been labelled upsets or shock results. Because they've actually beaten West Indies now five successive matches. I think West Indies have only won two in the last 11 or 12. And they beat them quite convincingly in Ireland. There was always that caveat that they didn't have. Chris Gale.

And then today here in Taunton with these short boundaries, it looked like it could be a possible run fest for the West Indies. So Bangladesh did very well to contain them early on and get the win. Now, it's all very well beating South Africa and beating the West Indies, but Bangladesh has still got Australia and India to play. are to make it until the last four. I think Australia will be a fascinating tights. They're the one team in this entire World Cup

that Bangladesh haven't beaten in recent history and I think they'll be quietly confident but also I think they're quite hungry for it. I think the last time they beat Australia was 2005. It will be a hard game. They know it's going to be a tough game but the way this team are playing and there's a squad that they've got.

Litton Darskoring 94 playing in his first match. It demonstrates the kind of quality in the bench. Where has he been? Well, just not in the team. Not in the team. Why? It was him against Shumoshaka for the opening

slot next to Tamim and playing him down the order seems to have yielded results today. So I think Bangladesh will go into this Australia game with a lot of confidence. And Australia will not take them lightly. Is the feeling they're probably going to have to win their last four matches or will three wins do it or take them close? I think everyone's looking at that game against Afghanistan as a game that Bangladesh should win. I think we've got India and Pakistan.

So there are no easy games. But the majority of these teams are teams that Bangladesh have beaten in recent history. They beat Pakistan in the Asia Cup last year. They've beaten India in the series since the last World Cup. So, yeah, but I think we're going to each of those games with the confidence going. We can win this. An element of humility and an understanding that these are tough opponents in a World Cup. However, as every chance Bangladesh could win,

every single one of their remaining group stage matches. What about Shaqeeb? Is he the world's most underrated cricketer? It's a fascinating conversation to have because for anyone who's followed Bangladesh cricket for the last 10, 12 years, he's been doing this week and week out. He has been the world's number one all-rounder, give or take, Rashid Khan every now and then. So it's great to see a bang with actually player who we've been excited about for the last decade performing on the big stage and everyone else finally catching on and going,

oh yeah, he is quite good. Well, that's the point, actually, about being the world's best all-rounder in one-day cricket. Actually, he's now the leading run scorer in the World Cup, which is a bit different, isn't it? Because, you know, you can be the all-rounder, you've got your bowling to fall back on. But he is out there. He's ahead of all the others at the moment. Yeah, he's in really good shape. I mean, he didn't get to play many games in the IPO,

and he said for him it was an incredible time to just soul search and work on his fitness and learn from around him. And it seems like, despite I think only got one one game this time around, but it seems to be that he is in the best mindset that he's been in for a long time, and he's peaking at exactly the right moment.

We saw the reaction for the Bangladesh supporters who were here today, joyous, you know, they could not get enough of it. They made noise all day. Just give us an insight. How do you think this result will be seen in Bangladesh itself. I think Bangladesh are going to, in Bangladesh,

are going to get progressively more and more excited. I keep comparing the expectation back home in Bangladesh to the England football team last year where everyone was like, okay, fair enough. But as the tournament progressed and the wins come, everyone starts to get a little bit more excited. They start to have a little bit more expectation and that is no doubt going to start to happen in this tournament.

Well, fabulous from Bangladesh today. Risham, thanks very much. Thank you. Right, we're at the halfway point of the group stage of this World Cup. This was match number 23 of 45 before the semi-finals and the finals. Let's talk about a few trends so far in this World Cup. Phil Long, our statsman, is alongside me. What are some of the significant things that you've seen, Phil?

Well, let's start at the start of day, the start of every game. There's been 20 games so far in which there has been a toss, because obviously we've lost games, three have been abandoned. Those tosses, 17 teams have won the toss. elected to bowl that's not quite been reflected in the results where the team batting first has won nine times and the team batting second has won ten times what about in terms of opening partnerships well opening partnerships obviously in this tournament there was talk about huge scores possibly possibly taking place five at the

Magic 500 kept on being mentioned that's not really happened but in terms of opening partnerships this is the first World Cup where the average opening partnership has been over 50 We're currently at 51.97 for this World Cup. The previous highest before we came here was 45.2 in the 2010-11 season World Cup, where they're 1100 in total. There's already been 700 opening partnerships in this tournament.

What this game did do was buck the trend, though, isn't it? Because so far in this World Cup, it's been score 300 plus, batting first, win the match. Exactly, yeah, that's right. Today was the ninth time team batting first had scored 300. And this is the very first occasion where our team has gone on to win the game.

And as we know, as we've just seen, they've won it convincing eight and a half overs to spare. So yeah, so it was a trend until today. Score 300 win the game. But like all good trends, they're there to be broken. Anything else for us? Well, we look out the window again, and grey sky, we've got a game in today. We've already had three abandoned games. Before this World Cup, we'd only ever had two.

Where the forecast, as we know, the next couple of days is not good. will those games that are abandoned or even shortened affect who qualifies for the later stages of the competition? Yeah, and Bangladesh might well be thinking that. They'll look back on that game against Sri Lanka and Bristol, think, well, that was a point that slipped away. They got one point for the abandoned match. How much will that cost them in the final analysis? But they're pretty happy after their day out in Taunton and their fantastic victory against the West Indies.

The TMS podcast, available every day during the Cricket World Cup. Phil, thanks very much. Now, you'll know if you've listened to this podcast regularly that we are asking you to tell us where you are listening and we are trying to get a listener to this podcast from every country in the world. Are you in the Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and Barbuda, St. Kitson-Nibis or St. Lucia. If so, please email us TMS at BBC.co.uk. We are not having many listeners in that part of the world. Fazia Mohammed is alongside me. I think even fewer people might be listening after what happens. today from Bezir. Well, we'll keep slogging along, but as you said, after the way it went today, they might just be switching off, unfortunately. But we'll try to keep it interesting. Yeah, a few European countries are missing as well. Moldova, Bulgaria, Monaco, Albania, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. So if you are listening in those countries, please get in touch with us. TMS at BBC.co.uk. Jonathan Weissam has emailed us. Dear TMS, myself, my wife and our two daughters, Anna and Alice, please name check them if possible.

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tour let's hear now from ian bibby hello been listening to the daily tms podcast from anguilla home of cricketing luminaries cardigan connor served hampshire for almost 20 years and umari banks the first from that tiny island to play for the westernese at senior level finding the podcast to be a very fine accompaniment while doing the dishes and ironing the kids school uniforms as it helps the time fly by so much appreciated for that. Well, unless you can help you along while you do those shows. And of course, Anguilla is not a UN-recognized member state. It's a British overseas territory.

And they do have a very interesting history of gunboats and all of that to break away from St. Kitts almost 40 years ago. Rich Smith, just thought I'd let you know that I'm listening to you wearing shorts sat outside my motorhome in Tromso in the Arctic Circle. It's 14 degrees. So he's still in shorts. It's 14 degrees and bright sunshine. It has been for the last 72 hours.

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Just some final thoughts on West Indies, Fazir. This has been exceptionally deflating. And I think we got the signs of it with that performance. against England. And I think it was worrying to see the West Indies almost in a lighthearted manner with some of their showboating and the joking around from Chris Gale and so on with those few overs and playing to the crowd. It seemed almost a preoccupation with entertainment rather than being competitive and the way they performed today, granted they got runs on the board. Maybe they should gotten a few more, but just the way Bangladesh batted and the way the West Indies just didn't seem

to have a plan properly and they were walking wounded on the field and so many other things seemed to be happening. It was really deflating to see this particular effort, if it can be called an effort. Yes, remarkable. That was all fallen apart since that amazing victory against Pakistan. Remarkably, yes, but in the context of the highs and lows of West Sunnis cricket, I think

many people have grown accustomed to this, but there would have been an air-up optimism not because just of the Pakistan victory but for the change of the leadership of cricket West Indies with Dave Cameron, who's been at the best of times, a highly contentious figure and the feeling that now that he had gone that Ricky scarred the form of

manager was president once again for president for the first time that things would have changed that there would been a real buy-in by the players well even if that had happened we see what has happened on the field and there's going to be a lot of recriminations coming out of today's result yeah Westin is still in the world kind of sort world cup matches never to be there inquests and is it a situation you think where there's going there will be wholesale changes something like Jason Holder's captaincy or about some of the players who are here is it too early to say or, you know, is the feeling, okay, there's going to be another sea change in Westin his personnel?

Well, Chris Gissela Lohd already said that this was going to be his farewell as far as 50 over cricket. I'm sure he wants to play in the T20 World Cup next year in Australia. Andrew Russell, is this his farewell as far as representation in T20 over aside cricket, possibly, but the danger, of course, is that there could be too much of a knee-jerk reaction because we have to remember, Jason Holder has captain, has won the wisdom. trophy in the test series. He competed effectively against England in the Caribbean. So there are a lot of things that went wrong here. Floyd Riefer is the interim head coach. The feeling is that Phil Simmons is at the head of the queue to be the full-time head coach sometime from September

onwards. So a lot of things could happen, but the concern is always that after maybe getting carried away with some positive results, there could be the other reaction of overdoing it and all sorts of knee-jerk reactions in the aftermath of these disappointing results. Fazir, I feel your pain. Thanks very much indeed. We'll be on air 9.30 Tuesday morning before England against Afghanistan. Ball-by-ball commentary on Test match special, and you can watch the highlights as they happen via the BBC Sport website.

And final thing for this episode is 20 years to the day since arguably the most extraordinary moment in World Cup history. Australia against South Africa, Semi-final at Edgberston and Tim Lane, the commentator. At the start of the 50th over and South Africa need nine runs to win it and they can do it now. What pressure, what pressure on the batsman, what enormous pressure on the bowler who will be Damien Fleming

and what pressure on every fieldman, not to mention all three umpires. Nine to win, start of the 50th. Fleming in, Bowles to Cluzner, who swings Along the ground for four. Oh, that went like a bullet through extra cover. And South Africa now need just five from five. Australia need a wicket.

209 for nine. Klusner, 614. 11 from three balls. We better get Gerald back. That was a fantastic shot. He timed it brilliantly. It was full in length. It was almost where Fleming wanted it, except that there was width, just enough width, for Klusner to swing his arms.

And he hit it like a tracer bullet. About 10 or 15 yards to Tom Moody's left on the deep point boundary. He had no chance of stopping it. Paul Rifle cuts a lonely figure. He had a third man on the rope. He had it between his hands and it slipped through. Five balls left. Fleming in and bowls

and Klusner thrashes at this through long off for four more scores a level unbelievable hitting by Klusner and South Africa now poised at the brink of an unforgettable victory there's been a mini invasion

more crowd stupidity just out on one quarter of the ground they'll soon be cleared he hit that first one hard he hit that one even harder no chance of long off stopping now this is that half the problem you aim for the York and you don't quite get it up there it's right in the slot for Klusner and my goodness me hit that hard all along the ground they can't watch in the South African dressing room 31 from 14 balls the man of the World Cup Lance Klusner needs to score one more run to put his country into its first final and there are four balls

left a wicket in hand and a wicket would put Australia in the final a tie would have Australia in South Africa need to win it they're all up now we're a couple of slips they're all in the circle Klusner adjusts his helmet Fleming decides on a different line he's going to come over the wicket to the left hander and try and slant one across him. Here it is. Fleming in and Bowles and Kluzner hoax at it doesn't score a run. There might be a run out at the bowlers end. Lehman underarms he misses. Donald might have been out. The ball was dragged to mid on by Klusner. Lehman onto it. Had a go. Donald was backing up. We're having a look at that replay. Lehman very close in at

mid on. Shies at the stumps. Underarm. He'd have been out. if he'd hit well another chance another one goes begging three balls left one to win Fleming in and Bowles Kluzner hits back past the bowler there's a mix up oh there could be a run out there will be a run out oh it's a tie Australia is in the final Australia is in a fourth an unprecedented fourth World Cup final after an unbelievable tie at edgebiston Donald has been run out after an incredible, impossible to describe mix-up. South Africa, all out. 213. The match is tied, and Australia go to Lords and the final. This is Mark Wood. Make sure you're subscribed to the TMS podcast on BBC Sounds or your usual podcast app. You'll get a new episode

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