Test Match Special - CWC Day 23: England stumble to Sri Lanka ahead of big pressure games

Episode Date: June 21, 2019

The Cricket World Cup cat is well and truly amongst the tournament pigeons as England suffer a second defeat of the group stage to bring Sri Lanka and Bangladesh back into the semi-final qualification picture. Michael Vaughan puts the shock loss down to failing to play intelligent cricket, Paul Farbrace says they didn't adapt to a slower pitch, and Eoin Morgan admits Sri Lanka would've been robbed had Ben Stokes seen his team home.No blame apportioned to England's bowlers for the result, we get James Anderson's analysis on their success so far, and we catch up with a cricket-loving star from the Harry Potter films.

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win. Just prodded at it, did Mark Wood. And he caught a feather of an edge. And off goes Pradeep. On a lap of honour, Sri Lanka celebrates England, 212, all out. And they are beaten by 20 runs. The World Cup needed an upset. It's got one here at Headingley. Well, well, well, welcome to Headingham. We've had the first major upset of the tournament. England beaten by Sri Lanka by 20 runs. There's loads to discuss on where it's gone wrong for England. We'll get Jimmy Anderson's assessment of the bowling unit.

You'll hear my chat with the star from the Harry Potter films. But we'll kick off, of course, with the post-match force of Paul Farbrace and Michael Vaughn. From BBC Radio 5 Live, this is the CMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. at amongst the pigeons. We thought 232 was 60 to probably 100 light of being par we criticised

Angelo Matthews for being too old school dated. Well it's turned out to be enough. England just have not played with any kind of smartness. Johnny Bastow out within that first over. Vin's playing a poor stroke and the game was won 170 for five. The game's won agers.

And Moinelli hits a six and then the next ball tries to hit another. And I hope We're not in an area where, you know, you don't sit in a dressing room and you can't point the finger at one or two and say, I'm sorry, that's not good enough. Mowin, that's not good enough. Joffera Arch is out there with Ben Stokes. He tries to club one into the rugby stand. No, he's not been batting, but again, cricket's smart. It's not smart enough.

England are the favourites to win this tournament. They've had two tight games, we've lost both. Yep, absolutely. Pakistan gave him a run at Trent Bridge. They couldn't get over the line, and now Sri Lanka, are only chasing 233. You know, Malinga's been outstanding, but he's a bit over the hill. He's produced magic today, but he can't tell me, That's Malinga at his best.

You know, there's nothing else in there. There's no Morrow Litherans or mystery spinners or... Well, no, you're right. ...predible pace bowlers. You've just got an attack that you should be able to chase 233 on that wicket. They had the moments, 170 for 5. That should have been game over. And Lassith Malinga's shaking one by the hand down there.

Well-played Sri Lanka. They kept their nerve. They fielded well. We could see, actually, I was going on with Jimmy Anderson saying that their chins were up. They really believed that they could defend. that total and then they've done it and England have lost their second match and the mathematicians will be out trying to work out to all the various ramifications and the what ifs and so on but from England's perspective presumably they're watching well they're watching

Sri Lanka and Bangladesh aren't they to come up and you still got an eye on the West Indies well the Westerns are playing New Zealand tomorrow if they beat New Zealand they'll feel that they're just back in the contest as well you know a lot of these teams, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Westings, before today, we're like out of this tournament. We've all been talking. The top four is pretty much done and dusted well. The tournament needed an upset. I didn't expect it to be today, but it certainly has made the World Cup a lot more interesting. They've played six, and they've now got six points. So they've moved above Bangladesh in the table, having played the same amount.

India, it's an odd this, they've only played four games, and they are there on seven. and who have they got left well they play Afghanistan in Southampton on Saturday and then the West In is at Old Trafford and England Bangladesh and Sri Lanka so you'd say India have got the three teams that

most teams expect to beat in Afghanistan Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and also the West Indies in England so I get plenty of points I'd be surprised that they're not top of the tree by the end of it well let's look back at at this then I mean

let's not forget Sri Lanka were three for two and the opener's out and it all looked fine and dandy they won the toss batted first it didn't seem to be doing very much

as a little bit of swing but they've recovered to win it and I don't know the way we sort of really point the finger I mean two three two it's a target of two three

just seemed to be perfectly attainable yeah it's just the batting you know this is the first time in the tournament after the Pakistan defeat. And the Pakistan defeat was a different kind of chase because it was just trying to whack to 350.

It was a big number and they know how to play in that fashion. You know, what it's proven to us again today and it's the one downfall for the Singlin side. And we've all said it before the tournament. If England can play smart cricket at the right times, they'll be the team to beat. They didn't play smart enough cricket. Moe and Ali, wonderful talent in his 100th cap.

To play that shot, I haven't just hit the 6. Many can say, but if it had gone into the stands, he'd have been saying great, he didn't, he got out. And he put Chris Wokes under pressure. He then gets out, then Rashid, and these guys down the bottom end have just not been batting. So the top order and the top seven or eight have to do the work. Let's join Charles Dagnall down there.

Jolome Matthews, what a performance, what a win. Just tell me how you're feeling right now. Yeah, sweet memories at the very same ground. I mean, in 2014 as well, it was a fantastic game. I thought it wasn't the easiest we just to bat on. I mean, it was stopping and turning a little bit, But I thought, you know, it was a far total. I mean, you know, at halfway I thought, you know, 260, 270 would have been a, you know, good score on this weekend.

But the bowlers came out, all guns blazing. Lasseth Malinga, the ageless wonder. I mean, he's pulled it out of the bag today yourself as well. The experience has shone through today for Sri Lanka. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the experience guys, you know, had to come into the game. Unfortunately, we couldn't in the last few games. but I, you know, glad that, you know, I was able to scrap through to what we got, you know,

2.30 and, you know, it was a fantastic. Just on that point, you've not had the easiest World Cup with a couple of games washed out, one of two problems off the field that I'm sure have been well documented. But does that, does a victory like this today put all of that in the past? Absolutely. I mean, you know, we played, we had to play our best cricket to beat the best team in, you know, so far in the competition. They played some extremely good cricket. you know, they've been, you know, running over, you know, sides.

And we had to come up with, you know, something extraordinary, which we did today. Can this propel you to the semifinals? Absolutely. I mean, we've got the belief in ourselves. And we knew that, you know, if we, you know, take it through, you know, we can do wonders with the team that we've got. So, you know, we showed it today. Hopefully we can show it in the next few games. Huge congratulations. Well played today.

Thank you. Thanks to Charles Dagle. Angelo Matthews down there. We've got Paul Farbrace sitting alongside me now. So what's your reaction to that, Paul? Well, it's a disappointing defeat for the England side. I mean, you have to give full

credit to Sri Lanka. I thought they bowled exceptionally well throughout. They got their lengths right right from the start with the new ball. Never letting England get away at the start, did they? They didn't. No, they put pressure on. And it's one of those games that once they got Berser out early on, the belief that they then took from that, then James Vince, 30 odd for two.

The Sri Lankan team thrive on confidence and you can see that actually those two early wickets they started to believe they could win the game and all the way through they you know they kept taking wickets and as much as there will be one or two England batsmen will be very disappointed with their dismissals today you have to give full credit to Sri Lanka I thought they bowled exceptionally well throughout their overs you've just come out of the England dressing room not entirely literally but you know obviously very very recently how will things like Mowing's dismissal and so on be analyzed I mean will someone talk to him

does anyone need to say anything to him no I think that the key will be as a team they will know that their performance today hasn't been good enough to win the game and it's a game that they should be winning and at this stage of the tournament they won't want to lose games and they certainly won't want to lose games in that way

Trevor Bayliss talks a lot about the England team playing smart cricket and there were times today where they didn't play smart cricket and that's what's cost them the game and they will be very honest you know they don't make excuses. Owen Morgan is not an excuse maker. He will be very honest. He'll be very forthright with the players and he will

call it as he sees it. But there won't be any shouting and finger pointing at individuals tonight and there never will be with Owen or with Trevor. But there will be some quiet conversations taking place over the next couple of days with players about their modes of dismissal and about the situation they found themselves in.

You know the characters in that dressing room. How do you think they will take what's happened today? It's not going to be a spy. It's not going to be a spiral downwards. It definitely won't be a spiral downwards and Owen will be very clear as I say he always speaks very clearly very honestly to the team as does Trevor but the key will be look no we still we will still win this World Cup but we've got to learn and learn quickly from today that's the important thing it's not a case of going away saying oh well you know slow pitch whatever we might find one or two

more slow pitches like this as a tournament unfold and it's going to be really important the the one thing that this England team have done exceptionally well over the last couple of years in particular is learn to adapt to play on different surfaces and different conditions. Today they'll be disappointed that they didn't learn to adapt quickly enough and they didn't adapt quickly enough to this slightly slower pitch than perhaps they had at Old Trafford in the last game. Early wickets are the key. There's two early wickets that just nullified England on the back foot put them under a huge amount of pressure. Let's go down and join Charles Dagnall then. Yes, I'm with the England captain Owen Morgan and the upset is obviously. The disappointment on

your face is obvious. I mean what went wrong? Yeah, yeah. In the Chase, we didn't do the basics of getting substantial partnership or partnerships going. There were a couple of good individual performances. But Sri Lanka thoroughly deserved to win. We didn't do enough today to win the game. I felt even if we had a nick that at the end, it would have been us robbing the game by an outstanding individual performance as opposed to a team performance. I thought with the ball, we performed really well.

We adapted to conditions well. I can't say the same about the bat. what can be done on how can you change that because there will be and there have been times in the past that people have said about the England team when there was a pitch like this then it's a difficult one for the England team

to bat on. Is that fair? I think both sides struggle to bat on it I think that's evident when the game is so tied towards the end. I think naturally for us we go to our aggressive option with the ball and the bat so hopefully bounce back on Tuesday with that sort of attitude.

It becomes a very big game of course as to the rest of the games in the tournament on Tuesday but what's the feeling in the dressing room right now? Yeah, guys are extremely disappointed, but it's a matter of learning as much as we can today and taking that into Tuesday. We took previous to the tournament starting

that we would lose games along the way, and what we would go back to would be our strength, so let's hope that's the case on Tuesday. Do you read them the riot act or is it still a very sort of level feeling from you as a captain? No, it's still very level. I don't tend to ever

read the riot act. It's a process that we go back to. It's important that we learn throughout this tournament. So we're just going to stay the same throughout this tournament. We're just going to have to get better at batting on them. And I suppose if you're going to lose in a situation like this, better to do it in a pool stage than in a knockout stage? Yeah, I mean, we still need to get to a knockout stage.

We still need to play some really good cricket. There's a lot of strong opposition that we still need to play. So hopefully we play well enough to get to a lot of stages. And you're still very confident of getting to those last stages? Oh, here, we still need to play a lot of good cricket. we have played some outstanding cricket so far in this tournament we know we have the ability to do that it's about producing it on the day

thanks so much for your time owing thank you thank you charlie thanks to owen morgan down there Sri Lanka have beaten england by 20 runs michael vaughan keeps still keeps gazing at the table i'm reappointing you england captain michael i'm just trying to see who's got who to play i mean you know you look at england they've got three big big games you know the tuesday game at lords i think let's be honest

we all felt that in we're going to stroll this game the World Cup top four was pretty much going to be sorted. The last three games for England were going to be a little bit of an eye for potentially semi-finalists and who do you want to play and jockey for those final four positions. England under a huge amount of pressure now. You know, you've got to win at least one of those last three games and the Aussies are playing nicely and then you play India at Edgebast

and we saw the pitch at Edgebaston. I mean, you know more than anyone, Paul, about the Edgebatch. It may be similar to this, a bit slower, take a bit of spin. Not too sure that you choose that kind of pitch to play India on, but that's what they'll have to get. What I like there about Owen Morgan, he just said, if we're going to play on these wickets,

we've got to get better at batting on them. Absolutely spot on. Because as the sun shines over the course of the next two weeks, it may be that this is the style of wicket that we see more consistently. They've got to be smarter. And they've just got to, like Ben Stokes, Ben Stokes has played brilliantly. Just let the ball come, knock it into the gaps.

I thought that was a really smart innings by Ben Stokes. Two or three, the other options that were taken today, you have to say, weren't the smartest. but the most important thing is that they understand that they may have to play on this kind of wicket again and they understand where they went wrong today and learn from it for the next few games. Any bowler will tell you that the batsman get it wrong and the bowler gets dropped. But, I mean, to be fair to England's bowlers actually, and as Owen Morgan did say, I mean, they did adjust actually quite well.

They got their lengths right. Look at Archer again. Three for 52. Wood, three for 40. That's, what, six for 92 between them. Wokesbowled nicely and Rashid back amongst the wickets again You couldn't you couldn't knock the bowlers today They were very good and very good in the field You know I thought their operation out in the field Johnny Beresto out in front of the western stand

Was magnificent probably saved 1520 runs on his own So they were very good in the field very good with the ball You know 170 for five on a tricky wicket They were playing nicely The game was pretty much one Mow and Ali just hit the seat you think Go on Mo just knock it down the ground for one Just nully fire that over

Get to the next over do a similar kind of thing and unfortunately I guess the last five wickets just fell a little bit too quickly Geoffer Archer again it's hard for those guys batting down the bottom end because you're asking them to win again when they don't do too much batting but Joffer Archer made a wrong call trying to take one out of the stand when really all he needed to do Stokesy you can have the strike just little things like that that in your own mind when you've been in that situation and you're in that dressing you know yourself you've let yourself down now you've got to learn from that

because this might be a semi-final situation in two weeks hope so in two weeks time England and saying, fine, this might be a similar situation. You've got to make sure that you learn from it mentally. Very interesting, Paul, to see how they do respond, won't it? Because suddenly there'll be bad headlines tomorrow. There'll be some questions asked. They'll know themselves that they haven't got things right. Somehow you've got to keep going up and you've got to keep your head up

and you've got to keep your confidence up and not get any sort of siege mentality or think the world's suddenly gone against us and all that sort of thing. Absolutely. And I think one of the things that this team has talked about, the last two years since the Champions Trophy defeat against Pakistan in Cardiff, was actually making sure that they kept talking about dealing with the pressure of being favourites going into a Home World Cup. And this is the time now when all that work that's been done

and Owen made the point there about, you know, staying true to ourselves, playing the way that we want to play and backing ourselves to play in that way. As he said there, there'll be no reading the right act. There'll be very simple, straightforward home truth to a few people tonight in there as a team. And he said they did it well. And Michael's absolutely right.

They did it really well with the ball. They fielded it really well. They just didn't get it right with the bat. And they need to learn quickly from that. And they will definitely play on pitches in this that will play the other grip a little bit. And you'll have to be a little bit more cautious at times. And this is why I come back to this point that, you know, Trevor Bayliss has talked a lot about smart cricket.

Understand the situation of the game. And can you adapt your game to suit that situation of the game? And one or two today haven't managed to do that. The best game that can have now is Australia. You know, because you want that game. You want to be playing the Australians. You know, I guess Afghanistan would have been nice, but I think it's not a bad thing to go to London on whenever tomorrow.

They'll practice for a day or so, and then they play Australia at Tuesday. The atmosphere will be electric. You know, Steve Smith and David Warner introduced to our fans for the first time. That's going to have a story about itself. You know, on this England team, what they have been very good at over the course of four years, they've had disappointments,

the Pakistan lost in the Champions Trophy. They've had games where, in the Caribbean, being they didn't quite arrive in play as well as they can. Pakistan a couple of weeks ago didn't quite play as well as they could, they bounce back. The one thing that I don't, don't look at this team and ever consider that they haven't got character. I think they've got a huge amount of character and they, well, they have to bounce back but I don't doubt that they will. I've been doing us 30 years, Paul. So I'm, you know, these little, these surprises, these twists and turns aren't anything new, but it's still when you see it happening and you think, oh,

what's going on here? It's not all doom in. this team has shown and Michael's absolutely right you know it really is important that you know we do remember this team's got an awful lot of character an awful lot of fight there's an awful lot of talent in that side there's no excuses they won't make excuses Trevor and Owen do not make excuses the players don't make excuses they will know and people won't need to be told they didn't get it right with the back today they did an awful lot right in this game they will bounce back against Australia I agree with Michael I think playing Australia next at lords is a great game for them as a team to come back to you know they want to play big games they want to be part of this massive tournament they want to win the world cup you're going to come unstuck occasionally we have come unstuck as a team over the last few years we've had some tough days 20 odd for five against south africa at lords you know 12 for four against australia we've had those tough games so that the team has shown that they've got a great amount of character there's a great amount of skill that there won't be any panic in that dress room yes they'll be disappointed but that disappointment will drive them on to lords on tuesday against australia and they'll be thoroughly looking forward to that

that game. And World Cups don't come easy. I mean, you know, you are going to have to be challenged along the way. If you are going to be there at Lords at the final and holding, holding that wonderful trophy up, you know you've got to have had some proper fights along the way. Absolutely. And, you know, you look over the last four years from the last World Cup in Australia and New Zealand, you know, to where the team are now, it hasn't been playing sailing. There have, as you say, there has been tough days. There's been some really tough days. It's been a few poor days. There's been a few tough days. But, you know, that's how this team has learned. They've grown together. They win.

together they lose together there'd be no pointing fingers and saying yours was a poor shot you know they encourage one another and you know that that as much as there's a lot of friendship and a lot of enjoyment other people's success there's also a lot of competition for places there are people sitting watching who will know that they could come into the side and improve the side and players in the side know those players are there breathing down their necks and that i think that creates also a fantastic team environment so that you know that there will be no panic tonight you know There'll be no finger point in. It'll be very calm, be very logical.

They'll plan well. They'll prepare well for Tuesday. They'll be very well prepared for the Australians. And they'll be looking forward to that game. In some ways, it's easy to go out and play the big brave game and smash it about, if it doesn't work, you're going to play the same opposition again in three days' time because it's a series of five or something. It's different now.

And can you still maintain that confidence to play that way? When you know if it goes wrong, you might be chucked out of the tournament. Yeah, you can, but you know, you have to look at some of the dismissals today, and you would actually have to say that not all of the dismissals were big, brave shots. Mowing was caught on the fence, looking to hit one down the ground, and I, you know, I still, and I know Michael, you know, would disagree massively, and I'm glad he's gone, but, you know, I know he would disagree. You know, had Mowen hit that for six, you know, you're saying that's a great shot

because he's hit two sixes, he's taking the pressure off. When Stokes hit two successive sixes down the ground, we all said, fantastic, he's taking the pressure off. That was against Gvan Mendez much earlier in the innings. And we all said that was brave cricket. That was strong. They were good options. At least Moe was hitting straight down the ground.

So it's easy to be critical in that situation. But actually, you know, and this isn't a chuckaway line, that's the way he plays. What he's tried to do is to hit the ball down the ground and take a good option. He hasn't played a shot that isn't a good option for him. One or two other dismissals, you know, Woksey knocking off, cutting against the off-spinner. He'll be just as disappointed with that. Rash playing a crossback shot against the off-spinner, and nicking off. You know, really, De Silva shouldn't have been taking wickets at that stage.

You know, he's not a big off spinning spinner. You know, really should be looking to hit him straight down the ground rather than trying to hit him square of the wicket. Those two will be just as disappointed as Moes dismissal. And they're not big, brave, bold shots. No, no. You know, they're slightly hesitant shots for me. And I think that that will be more of the concern

that people getting out towards the end to hesitant dismissals rather than actually getting out to front for brave dismissals. And I think sometimes we'll get a little bit caught up in saying, caught up in saying, oh, they've thrown it away by playing this brave cricket. Actually, only one person got out playing that way towards the end of the innings. Yeah, well, that's interesting point. Andy's

ultimate's got his laptop up. I don't know what sort of statisticians day it's been today, if I'm honest with you. And Andy, what have you on earth? No some major stats, particularly emerging from the game. But to put in context what a shock this is,

I've looked at results between the 10 teams in this tournament. Since the champions trophy two years ago. England had the best win loss ratio. They've before today had won 31 and lost eight of 39 completed games against the other teams in the tournament. Sri Lanka had the worst win loss ratio. They'd won only seven and lost 31. So it is a huge upset in terms of prevailing form over a long period of time. That said, England might have been looking at the stats because the last two teams to win the World Cup in England, India in 1983, Australia in 1999, both lost two games, but went on to lift the

trophy, so maybe that's what they're looking at. Let's get a bit more reaction then. Josh Butler has been speaking to Stefan Schemelt. Josh, welcome to the TMS podcast. How big a setback is that defeat today? It's really disappointing. I think, obviously, there's games to go in the tournament, so that, you know, it's not a huge setback in that, but it's definitely very disappointing and frustrating to get in a position

and they restricts Sri Lanka to a very chaseable score and not managed to do it is hugely frustrating and disappointed. In your opinion, how far below your best were England today? With the bat, a long way. I think with the ball we were very good. We took early wickets and put Sri Lanka under pressure and we thought restricted them to an underpass score. So I think with the bat, we were poor.

I don't think we had the same intensity and mindset with the bat as we have done for a long period of time. It doesn't mean hitting fours and sixes all the time. It's more that I'm always looking to put the opposition under pressure, strike rotation, all those things. I don't think we were quite as good as we should have been. Can you offer any explanation as to why that's happened? Right now, no.

No, I don't know quite where that came. Obviously, the nature of the wicket was a slow pitch. You have to credit Sri Lanka as well for bowling well, but we were a long way under our best. And whatever that reason is, we have to work that out very quickly. rectify it. This England one day team's been very good for a long time but sometimes it seems when you lose matches it's because you have not been at your best rather than necessarily being outplayed. Is that fair comment? At times. I think we've been a really good side for a long

period of time and I think our best cricket generally wins games of cricket. When we play our best I think we're very tough to beat so we have to credit opposition when they play well as well but we know we weren't at our best and that's frustrating but it obviously gives us a lot of confidence and belief that we want to turn that round as fast as we can and we know our best cricket wins games of cricket. Available every day during the Cricket World Cup. This is the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. Okay thanks to Michael Vaughn and Paul Farbrose too for their company today and results when you stick around for a moment. England's much heralded batting then has crumbled here. No blame for the result will be a portion to the bowlers I hope. we've had another very strong showing

we're going to hear from Jimmy Anderson now on England's attack Joffre Archer and Mark Woodwell they've got two of the top four wicket takers on 15 and 12 respectively Adder Rashid has chipped in with seven only Imran Tahir has more amongst the spinners so a really impressive all-round effort to this point and here's

what Jimmy Anderson makes of it I think it's been really good so far I think the fact that you've got the pace of Jopra up front with Chris Wolkes who's been really really consistent for England in one day cricket in recent times and then to be able to

for them to more often than not we'll bowl in that first 10 and then to back that up with Mark Wood's pace as well that just keeps the pressure on the opposition and makes life really difficult for them and then I think as the tournament goes on

we'll see that partnership between Mowing and Adil develop even more and come more into the game as hopefully the weather gets better and the pitches get maybe a bit drier we'll see them really sort of build that partnership and make it difficult for the opposition in that middle period.

We haven't really had an outstanding individual bowling performance, have we? Nobody's got a five-for yet, but quite a lot of three-fers so far. Yeah, I think it's been spread around and it just showed you need everyone to bowl well. You need it to be a team performance and you need everyone to be firing on any given day. So although they've not had that sort of four-wicket hall, five-wicket hall, it's a good thing that they've got that they've got everyone chipping in at various stages what do you think the introduction of Joffra Archer has done

to the rest of the bowling unit has it galvanised them a bit yeah definitely I think it you know to have someone like him with that X factor it's similar with for me Mark Wood's going under the radar a little bit at the moment he's bowling just as quick as Joffra I think he's bowled the quickest ball in the tournament so he's sort of going under the radar and doing a fantastic job but just to have that guys with that extra pace

and that extra sort of X factor really, really helps a one-day side because there can be slow parts of passages of play where you need something to happen, you need a wicket, and to be able to chuck the ball to someone who can bone over 90 miles an hour is a godsend for a captain.

We were hearing a little while ago that they were actually pushing each other on a little bit, that they were competing with each other to bowl the fastest ball. Is that something that you can imagine doing? Is it something that you've done with Stuart Broad, for example? Yeah, it's not necessarily bowling the fastest ball because we're not as quick as them,

but certainly to have healthy competition in that, yeah, spurring each other on is definitely something that me and Stuart have done in the past. And I can definitely see, knowing Mark Wood as I do, I don't know Joffra that well just yet, but I know Mark Wood very well and know he'll do it in a really good, fun, spirited sort of way. And, yeah, you need to drive each other on.

You need to try and better, better yourself and try and help progress as a player and also you can push your teammates too. Have you seen them at any stage looking up at the speed gun and saying, right, okay, yeah, 92, beat that. Yeah, well, I don't know if they get the speeds out in the middle, but it's definitely something that they'll be doing, yeah, they'll be, I'm sure they'll be doing it in a light-hearted way and sort of nudging each other, especially after Mark Wood bowled the fastest ball. I think it was Afghanistan game.

I'm sure after the game he was nudging Joffron and saying, I've beat you now, and then Joff will be trying to outdo him in the games to come. I spoke to Mowin Ali yesterday about the fact that, you know, since – he missed a couple of games, you know, had his little girl and then had a rest and then came back. But since – but the moment he came back, Adil Rashid looked like a different bowler. How does that work? Kind of, I guess, for knowing them the way I do, it would be like a comfort blanket having Moeen around for Adil. You know, they spend a lot of times together.

I think on the field, just having Moe, the way they communicate together, Moe knows Adil's game inside out, as does Adil knows Mowing's game. And that will help them so much on the field to, you know, having that safety net of having their mate there. If anything goes wrong, they can just fall back on them and ask them what to do and they kind of help each other out in that way. So it feels like it's very much a confidence thing between the two of them, but for the team as a whole.

Oh yeah, I mean, having them together as a mate. seeing how they bowled today against Sri Lanka in that middle overs in tandem just creating pressure from both ends he didn't get any wickets but he went for 40 off his 10 just creating pressure for Adil at the other end

he can then bowl a little bit more attacking and you could see him today he's fizzing his leg spin and really ripping it and it seemed like I had a lot more confidence than in the previous games well it's interesting thoughts there from James Anderson speaking to Eleanor Aldroyd you'd have to think England's bowling coach

Chris Silverwood will be delighted with how his unit have performed so far despite today's result. You can keep up to date with all of that with Mark Wood's column for the BBC Sport website too, and it's always a very entertaining read. Still to come then an update on our quest for a listener in every country in the world, but for the next part of the pod, I've been chatting to a star of the Harry Potter films who loves his cricket. The TMS podcast, available every day during the Cricket World Cup.

Matthew Lewis, how lovely to have you here. It's a pleasure to be here. Do you still welcome Neville Longbottom? I mean, is he, or does he haunt you? No, of course, it's one of those things where, you know, since we finished, which is what, eight years ago now, I've been very fortunate to do other things. So I still look back very fondly on there, but he's giving me so much, and it's a lovely character.

I think if I'd not done anything else, I might be a bit more, a bit more negative. Yeah, absolutely. I've been fortunate. Yeah, good. That's brilliant. And you're back, you're back on your own stamping ground, more or less, aren't you? Because you're not, you don't live in Yorkshire anymore. No, I'm in America now.

Right. My wife's American, so we moved to L.A. Right. So there's not much cricket there. No. We know that old saying there. I mean, you can take the Yorkshire, you're doing the man out of a Yorkshire,

and not the Yorkshire out of the man. I mean, is that true? It's very true. Is it? It's very true. You're a proper Yorkie? I've been trying to find, I'm not much of a cricket.

I love the game, but I'm not much of a player myself. I've been trying to find rugby league in L.A. I've been trying to find nowhere. No way. No way. I think you'll find some cricket. Yeah, there's a few cricket teams knocking around.

There's the stuff. to be seen. Watching it on TV, catching up with England and Yorkshire is a little trickier. Obviously, a lot of British, a lot of Indian, lot of Pakistani. So there's a lot of communities there who just love cricket. And so you do see it completely. So how do you keep up to speed with what's going on? With you, actually. Do you listen? TMS, yeah, completely. There is a channel which I get occasionally. I think it's, I believe it's an Indian channel. So I remember watching the Ashes last year and we got through about the first session and it switched to the India Sri Lanka game.

Oh, right, as they would. So I had no opportunity to watch the ashes. So TMS was the only option. Oh, fantastic. But I was, you know, just saying earlier, you miss certain bits of the culture being in the US and bits of your childhood

and TMS has always been a constant in my life, really. My dad used to have it on when I was a boy. And so just flicking it on and listen to the cricket, it just, it's nice, just takes you back home. Reconnect. Yeah, reconnects with Yorkshire.

Yeah, this is a bit of a bucket list for me, I'll be honest. Is it? What do you think? It's a bit of a bit of a disappointment usually. It's messy. There's no cakes today. No one's brought as a cake, but we've got some bits of cheese. It feels like you're all working hard. That's what it looks like. Does it? You're all working out. Hey, that's, that's what we'd like to hear. So tell us about

your cricket, Matthew. Your childhood has been quite interrupted, I guess, with everything else. But I mean, how proficient are you, if you're being honest? I am a terrible cricketer. Yeah, I put a little bit. We actually do a charity cricket match annually. The Harry Potter gang. We get together and we try and raise as much money as possible. What for? So one of our stuntman, David Holmes, who had a Terry Blackstone on one of the films. He's in a wheelchair now.

And we try and raise as much money for him and for his hospital and stuff. And so we get together when everyone's, anyone who's not working, if we can get to the cricket club, we always try and come down. It's Griffin-Darvey, Slythering. I think we were heavily in the lead, but I think Slythering might have edged in front in the last couple of years since I've been away. that's probably why I wish I'm terrible, I'm terrible, but

that's, I mean, through a very sad reason, obviously, but the fact that it does keep you all together of it. And, you know, Davy's doing so wonderfully and it's really nice to just get everyone together and everyone just is really into their cricket and to be able to combine, you know,

the support and love for Davy and then with the game of cricket as well. It's a really great opportunity for us all to come together once a year. Because actually that, I mean, we've had, what, Daniel Radcliffe, Tom Felt. We're the Weasley twins, of course. Imelda Staunton, Roger Lloyd Pack, my old friend. Well, Daniel, Radcliffe, is quite an obsessive.

Yeah, he's a real stator. He is. Yeah. Into his, really into all of those sort of averages. And he did work out. He sent me a, you know I love winding up Jeffrey boycott. Yeah, okay. Who doesn't?

Yeah, well, I know. So he did send me Daniel. He sent an email. And it's like a question to Jeffrey. And it was brilliant. And it was, do you, Jeffrey, do you agree that a one-day international batsman strike rate, obviously the better player would be the one with a strike weight of 73

as opposed to the batsman who's strike weight's only 65 and Jeffrey, oh yeah, absolutely, that's right, man. Of course, mine was a 73. I only batted once. Jeffrey's a 60-0. So he helps stitch up Jeffrey, which is always a popular thing to do.

So cricket, I mean, what do you actually do? I mean, do you bowl? No, I'd have to be a bad at a batsman. Yeah, yeah, I'd be a batsman. They're not too bad getting batsman to ball, but as a bowler, useless. Right. Terrible.

Yeah, I mean, it's not even a case of my spinner and my fast bowler. I just, if I can get it straight and 22 yards and I'm happy. Okay. High school, why have you got anything? Any real figures. That's good. Double figures. Not with that.

Not much more than that. No, double figures is good. And did you used to come here? Have you been, I mean, your dad's here. I know he was rolling back the years of coming here and seeing Lent Hutton and so. Yeah, my dad's been coming for, you know, 60-odd years. And big, big rhinos fans as well. So, Hedley Stadium.

for both Yorkshire and Rhinos is big for us and yeah we've been to quite a few games down here we've come a lot to the Yorkshire, Lancashire games for the 2020 hoping to go again this year it's been sort of more difficult in recent years because I've been whether in London or in America but yeah absolutely if I'm back home always try and get back to a game

so to have an England game here when I'm here it's just really perfect timing for me I'm thrilled. A test match is all one day is it? Yeah I've been to I came to I'm more of a test match fan personally. Good. I'm always having to defend test cricket

or feel that I do have to. I don't think probably I do have to, but it feels like I have to because it's, you know, everything's so one day cricket, one day cricket and so on these days. Nowadays. I want to stand up for test cricket.

Yeah, completely. I mean, with Yorkshire, I confess I've come to a lot of the 2020 games. But with England, I'm certainly more of a test match, test match. I've been in England, Pakistan test match years ago,

here, 2005, maybe. and yeah I just I just find that the the level of concentration and stamina and everything involved with test match cricket I just find it fascinating I find it so fascinating to watch it's really really incredible watching that mental ability to stay out in the middle over five days worth yeah yeah and again Americans do not understand the concept of it I can imagine you in LA with your with your radio whatever you're doing or how are you listening to TMS and there must be American people there who are just looking at you and just shaking your head. I'm a big baseball fan as well, which I actually think is very similar to cricket. And most people don't accept it from either side, but if you actually sit and watch them both,

they are very, very similar. You know, you have that head-to-head between batter and pitcher, bowler and batsman, and most laymen won't understand why he's bowled it wide, why is he doing that? He's trying to catch him out. He's trying to lull him to full sense of security, etc. That head-to-head battle you have in baseball as well,

and most people don't. really get that. But the one thing Americans don't do is a draw. Right. You know, all their games go to overtime. They don't have ties. They don't have draws. So the idea that you can play five days and get a drawer is they're not interested in that.

I've never given baseball a go. Perhaps I've never been to a game. I think perhaps I ought to. It's a lot of fun. I would recommend go into a stadium first before trying to get into it on TV. That's where I fail, I think, because I have watched a bit on the telly. But what is it about?

Baseball, and apart from that sort of head to head, I mean, it doesn't look quite as sort of aesthetically stylish as a lovely Michael Ford. No, a Michael Vaughan cover drive. Or the wrist spinners, you know, all that sort of stuff going on. Right. Well, there's the choice of pitch, which is very similar to the ballers, you know, where they can put in your cutters or your offspin all his kind of.

The pitches are a very similar thing where they could do the curveball or a fastball. And they mix up their deliveries in the same way to try and. and catch the batter, they would say batsman, the batter out. But it's innings, it's runs. Same solos. Yeah, it's solid.

I mean, they basically ripped off cricket, I'll be honest. From BBC Radio 5 Live, this is the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. So, our latest roundup then in trying to collect every country in the world where this podcast is being listened to, 138 out of 193 so far.

New countries ticked off the past 24 hours, St. Lucia, from where Delima Stephen Wright, I heard you call for a listener from St. Lucia, so I'm writing to say how much I enjoy the podcast. I'm very disappointed with the performance of the West Indies. The talk around St. Lucia is the apparent lack of commitment and discipline from the team. That sounds a familiar gripe from the West Indies. Madagascar. Ian Harris says, I write on behalf of my wife Lucy, who when time allows, is tuning in to TMS from Madagascar.

She is currently volunteering as part of an Australian team of doctors and nurses performing life-changing orthopedic surgery on local children. Well, good luck to both of you and indeed to Madagascar. Gaska as a whole. Indeed. You've got a beauty coming up with me just to let you know. Simon Wrights and Serbia

at the last listen you hadn't got a listener from Serbia. I'm currently on a stag due in very sunny Belgrade and following the cricket while having a few beers. Belgrade's a wonderful city

incredibly beautiful and friendly. I'm loving the pod and I'll listen to it daily. Adam Nunn, I've been avidly listening to the podcast since the beginning of time the World Cup, not the beginning of time, usually as I walk around the fields of Kent

with Sherlock the dog. Oh, excellent. However, what does Sherlock the dog discover? I'd like to know in the fields of Kent. Hunting some sort of thing, went it? However, on Tuesday, I had to make a business trip across to Paris and listened on the Eurostar as we went through the Channel Tunnel.

Can I claim ownership of the spot as the first subterranean listener? I think it would have to be, wouldn't it? Yeah. I've got anyone on the International Space Station at the moment who could be tuning in. Do we broadcast up there? I think there are many Russians up there at the moment, aren't they? I think they are anyway. Where are we now?

Danny Edmund, yours is coming next. I'm currently listening to Test Match Special in Shropshire, so I've no use for your current geographical survey, but between 2008 and 2008 and 2000. I was working for the British Antarctic Survey. I knew you'd come back to us. We've had you listeners before down there. They're based just beneath the Antarctic Circle

and listen religiously to 2009 Ashu's series over the internet. Well, Danny, that's lovely, but unfortunately, I don't think you necessarily qualify Shropshire for this one, unfortunately. Not a great place for white ball cricket Antarctic. No, it wouldn't be, would it? You'll enjoy this one. Joe Gascoigne. Hello, TMS.

Regarding your collection of countries for your podcast, do you have Mauritania yet? Well, we've had a few emails from there. Are we? Interesting. I've been very glad for your World Cup in the pod since Nua Dibu. I'm terribly sorry to the inhabitants of Nauadibu. I had no idea how to start reading that one. It's a little lacking in evening entertainment options. Unless your idea of living at large is sitting in a tent drinking tea.

That sounds perfectly fine to me. Apart from the city. Sitting in a house drinking tea, even better. And listening to political speechifying in Arabic at Distortion Volume, because they are having elections on Saturday. So, well, vote hard and vote often. you're in Mauritania, the key to successful democracy. Well done. I'm having a good stab at that name too.

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