Test Match Special - CWC Day 46: Cricket’s coming home

Episode Date: July 14, 2019

Jonathan Agnew presents all the reaction from Lords as England have won their first ever Cricket World Cup by scoring more boundaries than New Zealand in a super over after it ended as a tie. Michael Vaughan, Jimmy Anderson, Phil Tufnell, Alec Stewart, Jeremy Coney and Simon Mann all reflect on England’s dramatic victory. Eoin Morgan, Trevor Bayliss, Jonny Bairstow, Chris Woakes and Jos Buttler all come onto the TMS podcast to celebrate an historic day.

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It's come to this. Here's the last ball of the World Cup final. Archer Bowles it. It's clipped away into the leg side. They're going to come back for the second. The throw is picked up. They throw to the cricket keep his end. He's not alive as he? I think he's run out. England think he's run out. England are convinced he's being run out. That tells you that England would won the World Cup. Hello, I'm Jonathan Agnew at Lords

but I've just witnessed one of the most exciting, tense, dramatic matches of cricket in my life. Unprecedented scenes. England have won their first ever World Cup by scoring more boundaries than New Zealand in a superover after it ended as a tie. You'll hear reaction with the players, of course, as well as the thoughts of Michael Vaughn, Jimmy Anderson, Phil Tufnell, Alex Stewart and Jeremy Coney. But there's only one place you want to start. And that's by bringing you all that raw reaction from the victory

in full. The TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. The fireworks going off the grandstand. It will be confirmed on the screen. Out. And Droffer Archer has done it from the most unpromising start. He's on his knees. Well done, young man.

My word. What an effort that is. What an effort. 24-year-old Joffra Archer to come out and bowl that over. He slammed for six over deep midwicked. It's been an absolutely brilliant game of cricket, and I'd have said that if they'd got those two runs there. It really has, and to have been opened up for people to watch,

to see it, to enjoy it, to get some idea of what cricket's all about. What a day it's been. and he can't help but feel really sorry for New Zealand and Guttall who will who will just look at that that yard that he could make for years to come but it was always going to be a tall order the throw came in like a rocket from deep midwicked

I've sort of seen who threw it to be honest I was watching the batsman but Owen Morgan who has spent four years planning for this can now embrace his players Chris Wilkes at the moment and the celebrations will start on what has been an incredibly dramatic day here at Lord's unprecedented scenes at the home of cricket which has hosted

an incredible game an incredible game and they're bringing out the podiums and so on for the presentations the England players are still out there in the middle it's deafening I've lost my voice here Well, well.

Players, one by one are leaving the field. New Zealand's batsman traipsing behind, devastated by that. And there's a nice shake of their hands and embrace there from Ben Stokes to Martin Guttill. So bad luck, it could have been us and it could. It could have been. Jimmy, you were a bit anxious a few minutes ago. What do you make of that? Wow, that was, it was tense, wasn't it?

Tent, wasn't it? I just, I'm speechless. I'm, like, delighted for the lads. You can see how much it means. And Ben Stoke's going quite emotional there at the end. Obviously, he's been through a lot. And, yeah, just incredible. This is nice.

I'm just looking at something that's flashed up here. I was a casual cricket fan going into the World Cup. That was one of the most fantastic moments I've heard. Thanks from America. Well, that's what this is all about. Getting out, reaching new people to demonstrate this sport. And this is only one form of it. You know, you've got test cricket.

They've got the ashes. And Jimmy will be there, tearing in, an edge bastard, and it'll be different. It'll be five-day test cricket will be the ashes. It's a wonderful game. And if today has been a first for you, and I really hope you've enjoyed it, and I really hope you come again.

In whatever capacity, play it. it listen to it umpire it score it andy zaltzman here what a lovely time lovely six weeks he's had and thanks and for all the amazing stats that you've given all the information you've done an absolutely brilliant job well done you thank you and i think i'm heading off heading off to the far end which will be fun we'll go and interview uh all that we can i might even join in some high fives michael you're coming with you yes good i'm not going to do the sprinkler this time yeah well Well, let's say, what a day. I mean, New Zealand. Simon Mann's coming in here.

Yeah, no one deserved to lose that game, but the drama, what we have just witnessed over the last hour, can't quite believe it. Wow. Wow. Dewey, that was... I don't think I've ever seen a game of cricket like it in my life. No. That was just amazing. Yeah. Got to give it to both teams, I think.

You know, you couldn't separate them all the way through and to have it decided on boundaries is just... A runout off the last ball of the tie break to then be a tie, and would it all come? I don't know whether you could get much better than that. This is a fantastic game of cricket. Everyone's on their feet here at Lord's. It's just been stunning.

Congratulations to England, hard lines to New Zealand. I mean, just a stunning day. Yeah, you've never seen anything like it. You'll never see anything like it again. No. It was just astonishing. A really tough one, you think of those four overthrows towards the end of the game.

It was a fluke really, wasn't it? It was one of those anachronisms, really, with the laws of the game. There's no real justice. I suppose the only thing people would say, well, is if you make the ball live, then that's all the possibility that can happen. But it's so tough on New Zealand who were, you know, they were well placed in that final over.

Even Ben Stokes, middle the reflection. That's what Nicky was in. What a knock by him, by the way. He's been threatening to do it all World Cup, hasn't he? He's just missed out a couple of times. He was going to do it against Sri Lanka as well, and then run out at partners. What a knock by Ben Stokes. Coming in, him and Josh Butler, England were all in trouble.

In trouble. New Zealand all over us, like a rush. Just got their heads down, got a partnership together. It just goes to show that if you stay in the game, you still got a chance anything can happen. The other aspect of that as well is worth picking out. already done so is how Archie came back after being hit for six early, you know, the wide and then being hit for six early

in the over. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, Jimmy probably no more than me, but I mean, I think he just went to his go-to ball, which is just try and get it down. The pressure you must be under there, as you say, and there's a great shot by knee, shouldn't it? Weir till absolutely creamed it for six, what was it, second, the third ball.

You can't start thinking about going funky. Brave ball to go short. Yeah, about that. Yeah, it was. Like you said, that's his go-to. all through this game the crossback shots were the hardest to hit on a pitch that was a little bit

tricky pace-wise and I just thought he went to, like you said, he backed himself, went with what he knew, went with his strength and yeah, through that over I think the wide was a harsh one potentially at the start of the over so he could have lost his cool there

but he kept it together and then being hit for six as well I mean it was so impressive to keep his is cool in that situation. Well, one thing I will say here, and I know just being an Englishman and very proud of well,

I think England have been the best team over the tournament. I think they've looked the best eyed. I think they've had all the bases covered. So even though this was a fantastic game and I feel so sorry for New Zealand

they played their hearts out, I think probably over the tournament, England perhaps, just with a better team. The winning margin is, I didn't know what the winning margins? No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't.

We did a win. We tied. No, you didn't. We played for eight hours or whatever it is. We got the same number of runs in the game. We got the same number of runs in a tied over. Why do we separate? I think it's actually, to be honest,

I don't want to sound like sour grapes, because well done, and I don't feel that. I just think it's whoever was playing when you've got two tied things, after all the day together, how can you decide between? That's the truth of the matter, I think it's a little bit unsatisfactory to then go to something else

and who looks the smartest team before on the bus. I mean, you know, where do you keep going to in order to find out something? I'd be happy to share that. Hold on a minute. I've got the hacks all that. I'm sure you would. No, but you share it before you start the over. It's an arbitrary way of settling the match. The only thing I would say is going in run rate.

Yeah, going into the last over, going into the last over, all that final level or the final board. New Zealand knew exactly what they had to do. It was suddenly a surprise that they had to get. No, no, not at all. They got the same number of runs. Do you think cut it in half? Cut it in half?

Why don't we cut it in half? Would you not have a double super over? You'd go again. What's wrong with 50 overs each, guys? What's wrong with 50 overs each? We've had enough, right, frankly, with the off the bat. What about the first ball of the 50 overs? Come on, you guys all know those things.

You're not sharing the trophy, though, are you? You can't share a trophy. Why can't you get a final? You have to have a winner. It's finding the right way. Listen, I get everything you're saying. Don't get me wrong. But you can't share a World Cup final.

Calm down, calm down. No, I'm very calm. Honestly, I feel very calm about it all. I just think if it had been the other way around, I'd feel exactly the same way. That was amazing, by the way. The bat slide from Stokes. I've never seen that before in my life.

I mean, he's timed it perfectly, and it's shot off to the Pavilion before. I mean, you just couldn't like that. You can't write it. Well, if you did, you'd be saying, sorry, that's too far-fetched. Yeah, it was amazing. What an amazing day. Yeah, for those you missed it, England was Stoches.

Coming back for a second in the final over. He died to make his ground, the ball hit his bat, and went to the boundary before, so they got six off that ball, which it felt, it feels unfair, and I've seen a few people saying, you know, it's a lack of sportsmanship, but... Oh, no, it's in the rules, mate.

It's in the laws, mate. It's in the laws. Paragraph four, subsection to be. And it's just one of those really harsh laws, but, you know, it's there. Yeah. Yeah. Unlucky New Zealand, played brilliantly, made a brilliant day. People all around the world will be looking at that,

thinking 50 over cricket, I want to get involved in it. It doesn't get any better than that. Alec, you played in a losing final. What's it like for those New Zealanders down there? It's a moment they'll never ever forget, and for the wrong reasons. Well, they'd love the occasion. But now, you know, whatever you say, and Jeremy spoke, you know, very fairly and very independently as well. But for those lads, you know, there's three, four years planning going into that,

and it's been taken away from them. Okay, Jonathan's gone to the far end of the ground to get some reaction. Here he is. Oh, it's like a bun fight down here. Normally these things are so ordered and so on. But it says everybody hugging. I'd have had a hug from Chris Wokes which I've never had before

Oh Chris Thank you for that I mean I enjoyed it But how emotional are you I'm lost of words as well Lagers I just can't believe what's happened For the last hour Like I just can't get my head round it

I literally can't get my head round it World Champions And to be honest I thought it was gone You know I need in 30 off What was it 16 or something I just thought we'd blown it But I just don't know I'm lost of words

It was an incredible game of cricket Johnny Bairstow's here as well. Great tournament, Johnny. Great tournament. You've had a wonderful time. How were you watching that? Nervous. Yeah, as spokes, he says.

Come on, Chris. You're not going to blub on the radio. The last hours cricket there was insane. And then obviously Stokes coming back for two, and we got lucky with that ball that went for four. Well, I must ask about that. That was total fluke, isn't it? I mean, to see your back to die full length.

I might ask Ben in a minute. If it only gone for one, would you have taken the run? I don't know. the boundary, I mean, that's it. It's four, isn't it? Yeah, exactly that. And look, Ebson throws all the way through the tournament. I mean, there's occasions through the tournament that someone nicks it,

someone misses it and everything else. But I tell you what, I'm so proud of this bunch of lads. We've been through the Millenbach over the last three, four years. Even through this tournament, we've worked really, really hard and played some amazing cricket along the way and to share it

with some of your mates that you've grown up with and your mates, families that you've been been on tour with the last seven, eight years. I know. Yeah, it's amazing. Look at the crowd. Look at there's 29,000 people here who've gone nowhere. There's Indian shirts over there with England flags flying. What has this done for cricket, do you think? Well, I was just about saying, that's super over.

And the way that game finished is probably been the best day for cricket in this country. I mean, you're saying, the amount of people that'll be watching on the edge of their seats, people that haven't even watched the game before. They'll now soon be watching, that is for sure. Because, like you say, a full house here at Lords, an England win, the World Cup champions I mean that sounds crazy in itself but I think what today has done for the game

what we as a team have done over the last four years is something really special and you don't you don't deserve anything until you know last last ball's bowled and I think we've just I thought it was destiny the way everything has happened today I feel like it's just destiny

as a bowler Chris what sort of effort was that from young Joffra Archer 24 years old his first season of international cricket I know he's played T20 and so on, fine. But to come on and bowl that... It's ridiculous. He just shows how good this bloke is, mate.

He really is a young bloke at that as well, but he's a world champion. He's played, what, 15 ODI games, but he's looked... He's cruised in. He really has, and he picks his moments when he wants to turn it on and when he doesn't, but he has been unbelievable.

He has been such an ad to this team. It's been so good. I don't think I'm going to get a hug from Joss Butler. Chris, go and enjoy yourself. Go on, if you've spoken to me enough. Well, well, well. Yeah, unbelievable, isn't it? I think this great game served up so many things,

but that one was, I don't think anyone's seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. Who threw it? I couldn't even see. I was up there. No idea. Don't care. It was close enough to the stumps.

Well, you had a bit of work to do? Not much, not much. So it's just, like, it's so hard to put into words what it's like here, the atmosphere, a World Cup final at Lord. and it's just the thing the best moment ever in our cricket career is and I mean there's some proper emotion out here isn't there I mean look at you all all drapes round each other I mean it is fantastic

unbelievable I think now having won we can now think about the journey we came on to try and get here and it's quite an unbelievable thing we've done on to complete this in ridiculous fashion no team deserve to lose but look at these scenes it's unbelievable. Well, I'm catching a lift with you here

because I want to feel this. We're actually approaching the grandstand which is packed, packed to the rafters. England flags are flying, people there are standing up. This is where the presentation is going to be, I think. Just, I asked Chris about Joffar Archer. It's 24.

I mean, that responsibility to do that. It's extraordinary. Unbelievable, yeah, and he takes it all in his stride you know for him to come in and perform as he has done everyone knew how good he was and just to come in and show it as consistently as he has done but then to be thrown the ball in a Superover in a World Cup final like you say at the age of 24

and to deliver in the way he does he's a superstar Josh go enjoy it thanks to talking to us off you go that's Josh Bucklecklech Michael Vaughn's here this is just amazing this is look at the thousands of people in the grandstand on their feet

the lady up there an MCC blazer she's enjoying herself and I can see here the ECB and so on what a huge day for not just English cricket but anyone who is watching this

will have found that amazing a shake of the hands there for Martin Gutt or walking past and being disappointed well Michael what do you reckon to that honestly I can't believe what we've just witnessed

and these crowds you know the emotions of what we've been through on air, but the emotions of the players, two sets of players that gave it absolutely everything. I'm looking at the New Zealand team that just walked by and, you know, they gave it absolutely everything. They'd had the game

won. Then there was a partnership between Joss Butler and Ben Stokes, England were getting the game back, then Butler the catch by Tim Southey on the boundary, then Wokes came in and played a, not a great shot. You know, and then all of a sudden Ben Stokes just took over the game. And that last

over, 15 from 4. I've never ever seen the ball coming from the boundary with the batsman not looking at the ball diving in and Josh Bullard just whispered in me since that's the first one he timed all day. That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I'm going to take this rather nasty purple top off. I don't think you need that. We've made it out into the middle. Well, I mean, and I think as Johnny there, Johnny Bairsto straight away talked about that incredible deflection, the fluke, the glance off Stokes's bat. How could something like that basically decide a game of cricket? It's just fine margins at the highest level and the restrutiny of a final you have to say New Zealand I don't know how much more

they could have done if you have to look at a few of the little decisions the lbw on jason roy in that first over that could easily have gone the way of news i don't think they had the rub of the green it's been written for a few weeks with the way that this england team have played over four years they thoroughly deserve to be the world champions they've been the benchmark for you know the way that the one day game's been played they were asked on a tricky wiki can they do something against their grain you know can they chase down a target which has been, you know, quite awkward for them with Chase against Sri Lanka headingly.

And they produced, they got in the game with a great partnership. That partnership between Butler and Ben Stokes. That was the ultimate pressure because England had lost the game at that position. Yeah, and they just knocked it around. Then all of a sudden, Butler started to find his groove. Ben Stokes realized that.

He realized he wasn't playing great in terms of the ball hit in the middle of the bat. And he just thought, you know what, I'll give you the strike. But when Butler got out, he went, I've got to do it. And that is a great, great player. A player that can step up and do it exactly when his team needs him. I mean, we've said we've had

great days in test cricket. This is something I've never ever experienced. Well, I must say, it has gone to another level. I'm going to turn around and look over the other side of the ground, bathed in sunshine and just people, I mean, people aren't going. People are just going to relish this and savor it and take

it away. And the members are all there, the pavilions full. People are waiting for the presentation. We've got a battery of photographers here with lenses pointing towards the back This is where the captains will be interviewed and I'll certainly get a conversation of course, although in Morgan and others.

The presentation has begun. The umpire's coming on, the officials who receive their medallions and so on. I think we might keep going, Michael, for a while. We'll chat here. We'll break off depending on who's being interviewed. Nassah Hussain will be doing those. Fitting end to the tournament, the way it turned?

Has it been that sort of total nerve-jangling event for you? Yeah, I mean, I said it a couple of weeks ago. I really felt that this World Cup was gripping people. You know, everywhere I was going, people were talking about it. We had that period of rain for a week, which kind of put a dampener on it, pardon the pun. But the tournament has had great games. And I want to give credit to a lot of the grounds because one or two have been criticized, producing pitches, I guess, that we've not seen over the course of the last four years,

but it's created great drama. This pitch today was a tremendous pitch for drama. 2, 40, 260 games. you know just a little bit there for the bowl a bit of seam movement, a little bit of grab for the seamers. Ben Stokes' man in the match what a moment for someone that's gone through so much through the course of the last 18 months

and he's receiving his trophy from Sachin Tendulka no less and he's having a chat with the little master before moving down the presentation there we'll have a chat with him I'll speak to Ben later I'm sure the man of the match will be brought to us as I would imagine.

So we'll carry on chatting and we'll let them carry on with that. But stay tuned to wherever you're listening for all the reaction that we'll get here. We're down here on the outfield on the hallowed turf of Lords and where it's queuing up and we'll catch people's eyes

and we'll get to speak to most of the players I'm sure during the course of this session here. The toss today? Is that an important one for you? Just look at the stands. Everyone's turning around looking at the screen. This is an incredible sight. There's not one person

left the ground. I'm looking around the whole ground. Everyone's stood on the feet. Everyone's applauding. People that can see the big streams are turning around and seeing the screens. This is exactly what cricket needed. This is the moment that I reckon in five or ten years' time will be seeing kids in the street

because they've seen this today. They'll play the game and they'll try and inspire themselves to be the Ben Stokes and Josh Butler, Geoffre Archer. This is going to inspire a new generation. I have no doubt about it. at least they'll know what they look like. I mean, what this will do for English cricket

and the players themselves, well, we'll be remarkable. So Stokes is talking over there. We'll get a chance to talk to the way. I mean, so much has been win-toss win-match. Well, it didn't happen today. No, it didn't. You know, but I still think it was worth batting first. I still think that getting runs on the board was very important.

Newsled and I look back at the way that they batted. You know, Kane, Williamson and Nichols were playing nicer. They were well on the way to get in 270, 280. That would have won New Zealand a game. You know, as I said before, the rubber the green didn't go the way of the Kiwis today. You know, they did everything they could in the field. I thought Captain C and the tactical side of Kane Williamson. I thought it was magnificent.

I thought his bowlers stood up, that opening burst by Matt Henry. That was high class. The ball was moving around and, you know, they didn't have a great deal of fortune. There's lots of playing and missing, and they got, you know, wickets at key times. When that fourth wicket fell and the skipper himself, Omore, put one down deep points, Really good catch by Ferguson. You felt that it was going to be really toughering. But Josh Butler and Ben Stokes, particularly Butler.

Butler is this calming presence there. As soon as he walks out to the middle, I start to breathe a side relief because I just feel that he's going to calm the situation down. He started to play really sensibly, and England quietly and surely just got themselves back into the game. And then as soon as Butler went, you felt, wait a minute, this game's going to be lost.

And it was Ben Stokes. It was his hitting at the end. It was that dive. the ball hit in the bat and drama the super over I think we all felt once Jimmy Nietzsche

put that super over into the stand that six that was it England had lost remarkable day Ben Stokes is walking past I'll catch you in it Ben

congratulations well played he's got his trophy there in his hand so he's returning to his teammates now should we just tune in because we might not hear

from Williamson the defeated captain and I think maybe we just he's receiving having a trophy that I suppose at the moment you won't necessarily want to look at. But it has been an incredible, incredible day. Kane, this is probably one of the harder interviews you have to give.

I guess you'd swap both those trophies for one extra run. Yeah, the heartbeat. Look, it certainly wasn't just one extra run. You know, there's so many small parts in that match that could have gone either way as we saw throughout that whole game. But congratulations to England. They've had a fantastic campaign and they deserve the victory. Well, come on because I'm going to speak to.

you later after the end of the presentation. But let's just talk about your batting. The way you've played in this tournament has been truly remarkable. You've averaged over 80, 200s, 250s. You must be very proud of the way you hit it. Yeah, it's been challenging. The pitches have been a little bit different to what we perhaps have expected and there was a lot of talk of 300 plus scores but we haven't seen many of those and it's been a tough fight and I want to thank outside as well, the New Zealand side and the fight that they showed throughout this whole campaign on some tough wickets. It showed a huge amount of heart to get us to this stage. All but a draw or a tie in the final, but it just wasn't meant to be today.

That award is not just for your batting, it's for your captaincy as well. They're a good set of bowl as to captain, aren't they? They cover a lot of bases for you. Yeah, that's right. A really well-balanced attack. There's so many parts to it. The guys are shattered at the moment, it's obviously very devastating. But they've performed throughout this tournament at such a high level and given us every opportunity to go on and win this comp but like I say it's it's pretty tough to swallow at this stage but a fantastic effort from our guys all round well played Kane Williamson player of the tournament so while the sort of response you'd expect from a gentleman like Kane Williamson who must

be devastated with how it's ended but well that's the way New Zealand play their cricket isn't it there's always very sporting yeah I mean I can't imagine the emotions of what Kane Williamson's going through because his team have been very good today they put in a real good fight to lose on boundaries hit on the day it's never been heard of before I think the way that he manages himself

the kind of understated way that he is that's his team they just go about the business they like being underdogs they like you know not many people to talk about them in terms of winning events but they always arrived at the last two finals they'll feel they should have won this today a great cricketing nation. You know, what they bring to the game

in terms of hard work, ethics, togetherness, smartness. You know, it's a lesson to all teams that, you know, if you make the most of what you've got, if you don't have the best players, and let's be honest, they don't have from 1 to 11 the best players in the world, but why do they get the best out of themselves?

And that's a great lesson to everybody. Now, Joffre Archer, I wonder, I must ask, we'll find out from Owen, I suppose, what the conversation was when they were to, deciding who was going to bowl that over. It'd be fascinating to know, wouldn't it? Would they have decided in advance?

I mean, we sort of twigged onto the possibility of a tie with what, 30 runs out or so. You thought, hang on, this is where it's going to go. I wonder when England first thought, oh, super over. I mean, it's not something you can practice, really, is it? No, it's not something that you can practice, but I would say that they knew probably eight weeks ago when they picked him.

You know, that's why they picked him to see out games. He's an outstanding deathball in all the leagues around the world. He's dealt with pressure before. I mean, to deal with that amount of pressure, I think he'll be the first to admit that I don't think he got that many balls in the right zone. You know, once he got hit for that six from Jimmy Nisham, the next ball was crucially, he went short,

Nisham didn't get hold of it. The last ball was a good one to Gupsub because he just went right. I'll tuck you and get your hit into the leg side where we've got three fielders on the boundary. We'll try and hope that you hit it. Just someone near and we'll get the run out on the second run, exactly what happened. But if you actually look at the England scene, I guess,

they're young. You know, I'm looking at them. now. And I'm coming. Owen Morgan's, what, 31. Can he last another four years, potentially? But the rest of them are all so young and they're the world champions. You know, they're going to be there on that podium in about five minutes time lifting the World Cup at lords in front of all these people. Owen Morgan plays here. This is his ground. This is his home territory. That's his home dressing room that he's played in for many, many years for Middlesex. And to think that he's going to be on that podium listing the World Trophy over four years

of planning, hard work, meetings behind the scenes I'm sure a lot of heartache that we don't get to see I'm sure if you speak to him about the last six weeks the ups and downs of what the team and what he has gone through this last few days just the emotions of being the England captain winning a semi-final coming here to Lords having to deal with the media yesterday bigger than ever he would have expected

and then to suddenly be out there under that amount of pressure with the drama of the game Well, I'd say that he probably needs to sleep for a few days, but he's not going to get any chance to do that because they have to go and have the biggest party of all time. Well, they must do it. I mean, I know they were hugging and everything else was an emotional, but that was a roller coaster too.

You were playing, actually playing in that game. I mean, people's nerves were shredded watching it or commentating on it. My throat sore. I mean, they must have been through up in that dressing room. Well, I reckon, if you ask them honestly, they'd have felt they've lost the game. They'd lost the game on two or three occasions

to get out there in a super over. I'm sure when Ben Stokes dived in and it hit the bat, they must have looked at each other and gone is it written in the star? For that to happen, it was truly remarkable. Well, Owen Morgan's finished there. He's clasped the World Cup trophy in his hands.

He's shaking hands of the fellow is giving it to him. And in a moment you are going to hear a tremendous roar from this crowd here at Lord as Owen Morgan stands on the podium as in front of his team there it goes and the players are jumping up as flame shooting into the air

as England are crowned world champions Jason Roy kisses the trophy Owen Morgan's walking off whether he's going to lead his team off into a lap of honour or something I'm not sure but anyway there's more photographs to be taken

and we'll have our conversation with some of these players once they've gone through all of this formal business here there's bottles of champagne that are about to be unleashed And for now, another photograph again with that trophy held absolutely at full stretch by a grinning Owen Morgan who I've interviewed before most matches, not all, but most matches in this tournament and who has remained icy cool and focused and apparently calm throughout. But now it's getting absolutely soaked with the champagne that the players have.

Well, it's like something It's a cross between Formula One and I'm not sure exactly what But anyway, England's captain is absolutely soaked with champagne He's still clasping hold of the World Cup trophy That he'll have dreamt of holding Throughout these six weeks

And for a while, my word, it didn't look as if England would get anywhere near coming here It looks that they might not even qualify. Owen, sorry, I'm going to get you now You smell appalling for that champagne all over you I don't know, I don't even like Champagne. Today I absolutely love it. What an unbelievable day.

A great advert for the game. I commend the Black Cats and Cain. An incredibly tight game that will define us the margins, managed to get us over the line. We're incredibly proud. This has been in the pipeline for four years. A lot of planning behind it. Everybody

that's involved here and a lot of people who aren't at the back room staff have been incredible. So it's time to enjoy yourselves, I think. It is a feel. free to get the crowd a wave while we're talking because I'm stealing a ride with you so go around the crowd. Give them a wave. Go on this. Isn't this incredible?

Absolutely unbelievable. I still can't quite believe it. The whole day, to be honest, Hacked House and Lords, the support is incredible. It's been incredible from the very beginning of the tournament. You had a good faith, belief for all our fans

and we've managed to pull it off. it's such a good feeling how did you feel you can almost divide the two things up into two games but I mean the main event did you feel that you were behind it towards the end there

towards the end yeah probably when Chris Vokes got out I think Liam Blunker came in and got us back into the game and Ben Stokes would have had to do a lot to get us over I thought we had a lot of rubber the green with Ben's overthrows and everything that happened

that was remarkable wasn't it I would have loved to hear the commentary on that. I don't know how you'd describe it. I'll play it to you, so darn. I said it's a complete flu. That's a bit of look sometimes that gets you over. We weren't home and drive it then coming out in the super over. Ben continued again to have a great day out with Joss.

Give them a wave. You can do that. Don't keep them talking to me all the time. Give them a wave. Here's Owen Morgan, ladies and gentlemen. There you are. Isn't it fabulous? It's incredible.

Honestly, certainly a day to remember. You can be honest now, and I suspect there are times where did you ever, did you ever think you weren't going to get here? I mean, after those three defeats, were there some dark moments where you thought, I'm not sure we're going to get there? There was certainly doubt in my mind as to whether we'd even make the semi-final. And I've never allowed myself to imagine actually winning the World Cup, which is cynical me, to be honest.

But it's just unbelievable. Joffar Archer How, why, how did you select that? I mean, 24-year-old, that's an incredible responsibility again. It's actually, it was an easy decision. He's our best Yorker bowler. He's one of the best yorker bowlers in the world. We just asked him to do what he's been doing

since he became a professional cricketer. And he's a guy with the world at his feet. He's a very good red ball bowler. He's been incredible for us throughout the World Cup. And so there's a lot of head for Joffrarton. Edrich Stann will give them a wave, Owen? Go on. Well, absolutely. It is absolute. Look at that for us.

Michael Vaughn's taking a selfie. He's thinking of all this sort of stuff. What a scene. But everyone's going to buy into this, Owing. I mean, this is free-to-air TV, the millions of people that have been watching, listening and so on to this. Look at this. I can't imagine a scene like this to do at lords as well.

I've said incredible about 50 times that took lift to the trouble. It truly is that our fans and supporters, I think the best people on the planet. They've supported us throughout, regardless when we look like we weren't going to qualify, two must-win games that we managed to scrape through it, and then edge-busting in the semi-final has continued through to today. So I'd like to thank them all. They've been incredible for us over the last four years. So, yeah, thank you.

Thank you for the time you've given us, Owen, and congratulations. It would be fantastic. Go and enjoy yourself. Go on. England's Captain Owen Morgan. That's a lovely moment. We've sort of hitched to lift round here with them. We're actually doing a round of the ground, as it were,

a lap of honour for the England players. And I might try and see if I can find somebody else. Who should we try and find now, Michael? Who should we have a word with? Trevor Bayliss, come on. Let's go and find Trevor. Trevor's got the trophy. Come on Trevor, you're not going to get away with this.

We'll walk around together. What do you make at this? Well, it's, I mean, for all the hard work over the last four years these guys have put in, it's all that hard work has come to fruition. There's a lot of people behind the scenes. Now, like Andrew Strauss, who's no longer with the organisation, has done a fantastic job. And it just feels fantastic after four years.

and as a coach to see this to experience this and dare I say an outgoing coach I know you've still got the minor matter of the ashes Trevor but you can never forget this can you well it makes it all worthwhile when you see the smiles on

on these young wake's faces the hard work they've put in they've put a little bit of criticism at times but we had a goal in mind we had a goal in mind and yeah this is the proof Joefer Archer I've said, I ask Owen Morgan about it.

I mean, the responsibility on the youngster to bowl that over. What was the process? Well, look, he's been probably our best bowler. He's hard to get away. He doesn't go for a lot of runs. Bowls are good Yorker, even though he probably missed one or two there. But, look, I think he showed, you know, the class he's got and, you know, the future that he has got. With a lot more experience, he was going to be a fantastic bowler.

And last year, you're a pretty laid-back sort of bloke, But I can't believe you were sitting calmly up there, or were you, with your hat on, just calmly sitting there and watching it? Well, I'll try to be as calm on the outside as I possibly can, but very nervous on the inside, let me tell you. Go to enjoy it, Trevor. Thanks for talking to us. Hi, this is Josh Butler. Thanks for listening to the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup.

I don't really listen to it because I enjoy the Peter Crouch one more. Right, here's Andy Saltsman, with all the important stats on where the final was won or lost. Well, that's a little tester for you. Well, to be honest, Agas, I'm not sure stats can adequately explain it. It was a mixture of all kinds of things, in particular huge stroke of luck. The ball ricocheting off Ben Stokes, saying they needed three off two instead of seven off two, got the two runs to make it a tight. In terms of biggest single moments of good fortune, in the history of sport,

that will go down as one of the way. Because just to explain if people are not entirely sure, if the ball hits the non-striker, usually in games of cricket and sporting games as this was, they wouldn't run again the ball gets deviated off and the non-striker says no I'm not running but when the ball goes to the boundary that's it

there's nothing anyone can do about it those four runs have to stand that's what happened there there's no question of bad sportsmanship or anything like it's just an utter flu yeah there's nothing the umpires could do within the laws it looked like Stokes was almost saying can you I don't want those off

but yeah I wonder if they will look at changing that law in terms of the stats what we saw was the two best bowling teams in the tournament, and I think we saw ample evidence of that today. Both kept each other down to under five and over. It was an incredible, incredible game. And we came into this tournament expecting huge scores. Lots of boundaries ultimately decided on the curiosity of a boundary

after two ties in one day. And that key moment, Stokes, will go down in the scorebook as a six. Perhaps the most important six of England's last four years, off a two out to deep midwicket that ricocheted off his bat. We'll never see anything like this again, will we? Come on. No, I don't think so, I guess. I don't think we can. The tournament of the whole, I mean stats-wise, is it been a Stato's dream?

It's been very interesting, actually, and it has been high scoring by the standards of World Cups historically, but not as high scoring as certainly the one-day cricket we've seen in England in recent years. The improvement in England as a bowling team was really what saw them through. in the end they had been sort of seventh, eighth, best of the ten teams statistically coming into this World Cup based on the figures of the previous four years.

They were the second best team behind New Zealand as a bowling force in this World Cup Archer and a sort of revamped Mark Wood made an enormous difference to this team. You could say the batting didn't really fight. They didn't play a good innings in the final but they've got away with it. New Zealand, they were lucky to get through the group stage

I think and hugely unlucky not to win the final. But in men's world Cups, in one football World Cup, one rugby World Cup, one cricket World Cup, and they haven't been ahead at the end of normal time in any of them. Well, that's so's incredible, isn't it? Well, it's the moment you've been waiting

for, as you know, on this podcast, we've been trying to find a listener in every UN-recognised country in the world. There's 193 of them in total. We're down to five left to find on our final day. Chad, Eritrea, Niger, Somalia, and North Korea. I'm so hoping we've got North Korea.

haven't read this script. Let's see if we have. We've had some more emails, Andy Zaltz and we'll go through them as well. Goll then, Zaltz what you got? Well, this comes from Lindsay Duval. I have a friend living in Chad. He really couldn't care about cricket. Ditch him as a friend, Lindsay. But I phoned him up and played. How could he not care about cricket after today? It should be watching today. But I phoned him up, says Lindsay, and played him some of the podcast down the phone. Does that count? Yes, given that we're in the last game in the tournament. Excellent. Well, that's certainly does for Chad then. Mark Bates, after sending the link to your podcast many times for a friend

Vinny, who works in Eritrea. He's confirmed. He's listened to your podcast. Whether he has or not, I don't know. He may have just said that to stop me sending him some more links. But you can tick Eritrea off, thank goodness. Well, sadly, there were all the three emails that we've had in the last 24 hours. It appears that we're going to finish three short. We have producers checking the mailbox to make sure we hadn't missed any of the last six weeks.

And then one bright spark had the idea of checking our junk mail box. And it turns out there are quite a few more in there, such as this one from mid-June. Gary Ryan, hi, TMS. I've been enjoying your podcasts from Niger. Well, just two to go, Somalia and North Korea. And this came from Martin Ainsworth. I've been on my ship going through the Hornem of Africa, listening to the TMS podcast,

so you can tick off Egypt, Eritre, Djibouti, Yemen, and Somalia. Somalia was still on the list. Excellent, that's good news. But it does leave us one short. I always had worries about this, North Korea. We had people listening in the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea. Someone who even told us he was listening to the TMS podcast in Singapore

when he saw Kim Jong-Zong Motorcade passed by for the summit with Donald Trump but that's I'm afraid as close as we've been and we have failed 192 of the 193 Sorry hang on I'm going to have to

just interrupt you there Agers Because this came in from Colin Crooks on Twitter Who said TMS has asked for a video of us listening to the cricket world cup In Pyongyang North Korea

No For a hashtag TMS postcard Well here it is From sacramed ball He smashed it! are in the British Embassy, residents in Pyongyang, North Korea, listening to Test Much Special on the BBC. All the best to England in the World Cup cricket competition.

Are they definitely there? I think in the British Embassy, in North Korea, they are listening to the TMS podcast. That is video proof. We have, I mean, not the only ones to have achieved it at the last minute, slightly by chance, Haggers. That seems the entirely appropriate way to finish this time. Well, that is brilliant.

Well done, and thank you for getting at it, just in the nick of time. Well, that's all from us for today and for the tournament. We're on a podcast every single day for the past 46 days. The TMS podcast will, of course, keep it across the Ashes, which starts in just over two weeks' time on the 1st of August. Thank you so much for everybody who's taken part in everything that we've done during this World Cup. It's been, well, it's been an exhausting day today. It's been an exhilarating day.

It's been a day that those of us who are lucky enough to be here will never forget. And that is an easily said overstatement. But believe me, that's absolutely true. If you're listening to this in the UK, you can watch the hospital. highlights of the final on the BBC Sport website and app. Tufford and Vaughan are back on the TMS podcast on Monday with more reaction to the World Cup final and we want to finish this pod by bringing you the highlights of the 16 balls that changed history.

Bolt runs up, left arm over and Stokes has hit that away into the leg side. Has he found the gap? He has! He has! The field had dived despairingly at full length. He got a hand to it. But he simply run the ball into the boundary. With a ball to go, Buckler on strike. And bolt on his way.

He bowls to him. He chips that away into the leg side. Out towards the boundary, it goes. It hits the boundary. It's come to this. Here's the last ball of the World Cup final. Archer bowls it has clipped away into the leg side. They're going to come back for the second.

The throw's picked up. They throw to the cricket keeper's end. He's still alive, is he? I think he's run out. England's think he's run out. run out England are convinced

he's been run out that tells you that England would won the World Cup this is Owen Morgan thanks for listening to the TMS

podcast at the Cricket World Cup it is such a good podcast that I listen to it before I bat, when I bat and after I bat just so I can listen

to Tuffers give me some advice on my cover drive my pull shot how I don't play the have more reverse sweep, all those very interesting things.