Test Match Special - CWC Day 9: England set for Bangladesh and cricket theme parks

Episode Date: June 7, 2019

Pakistan and Sri Lanka fall foul of only the third washout in World Cup history so we speak to Eoin Morgan as England prepare to face their bogey side Bangladesh. We discover Mark Wood's been to Harry Potter World and Tymal Mills tells us about Jofra Archer’s many variations. Plus, we speak to the only English coach in the whole tournament.

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Australia is in the final. Kevin O'Brien from nowhere has scored the fastest hundred in World Cup history. That's it. The West Indies have retained the title. And India have caused one of the greatest upsets in the history of all sport. And strike towards Stokes. It takes an incredible, one-handed catch. Hello and welcome to the Test Match Special podcast from Bristol, where there's been no play between Sri Lanka and Pakistan due to rain. England, meanwhile, are preparing to play their third match to the tournament against Bangladesh and Cardiff.

In this podcast, we'll hear from Owen Morgan, former England coach Paul Farbrace, Tim O'Mills will tell us about Joffa Archer's many variations, and we'll hear from the only English head coach in the whole tournament. from BBC Radio 5 live. This is the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. Andy Zaltzman is here as well. So only the third complete washout in World Cup history. Yes, in over 400 games,

there have only been seven no results in that. So generally, Rain has looked favourably upon World Cup. So clearly the ancient Gloucestershire god of rain splatterax or whatever he's called. Just didn't want to see the record-breakingly awful Sri Lankan Middle Order bat today after their performances in their first. two games. But the good news

for Pakistan, two things, 100% of the teams that have been involved in an abandoned World Cup match against Sri Lanka in England have gone on to win the World Cup. Admittedly, that is a sample of won, West Indies in 1979, but still,

that's something to cling to. Another thing to cling to for Pakistan is that when they won in 92 in a round-robin tournament, they began with a loss, then a win, then a game that wasn't finished due to rain. And so they've done exactly the same here. So history is very much already polishing that trophy for Pakistan. Well, I think the last time I was here in Bristol,

we came up with the stat, we said Australia cannot win the World Cup, statistically. You can't fight stats. You cannot fight stats. Pakistan are going to win the World Cup. Yes. So everyone else might as well go home. You better just tell us those two other washouts then

because people were saying, well, when were they? So the two were West Indies, Sri Lanka at the Oval in 1979, and Australia, Bangladesh in Brisbane in 2015. Australia went on to win that tournament. So every time there's been a washout, one of the two teams, The team's spending a day sitting in the dressing and watching the rainfall has ended up lifting the trophy. So every cloud and all that sort of thing.

Right, well, England will be desperately hoping. There's not a washout in Cardo tomorrow. Actually, the forecast is not too bad for that match against Bangladesh. Let's hear from England Captain Owen Morgan. He's been speaking to Eleanor Aldroyd. It's not been often you've had to reflect Owen on defeat, but how have you reflected on Monday at Trent Bridge? Yeah, well, I think as well as we could.

We're disappointed, we lost the game. I think it presents a good opportunity to learn more about us as a side and hopefully to kick on from here for the rest of the tournament. It's not going to be playing sailing the whole way. We spoke about that as a team and it's important to see a good positive reaction from the game at Trent Bridge. So we're looking forward to tomorrow. It's another tough challenge against Bangladesh.

There are a strong team who have had a really good start to the tournament. It presents new challenges, but ones where hopefully can... overcome and look forward to. What kind of conversations have you had in the group of you since you got back together? Yeah, a lot of it's about going back to what we do well, sticking to our strengths and the process of how we get results

and focusing on that because it's obviously in a very important part of producing a win. No extra fielding drills? No, absolutely not. Fielding for us has been an extremely strong point. We proved that in the first game of the world. Cup against South Africa. We've always had a bad day in the field at Trent Bridge.

That can happen. Hopefully looking to produce a better performance than that tomorrow. You all have the chance to go home, spend some time at home. What do you do? Do you sit with your feet up watching cricket matches all day? Or do you have something more interesting to do than that? No, more interesting. Personally, I watch a lot of horse racing.

Speaks a lot of friends and family, try and get away from the game. I'll keep an eye on the scores in the evening to see who's won the game. and if anything's happened. But that's about it. I try and get away from it. Is that a big advantage of a home World Cup? Do you sometimes feel actually you take your mind away from it and not necessarily the best way possible?

Sometimes you need to kind of come back and then refocus? Yeah, I think you do. Certainly travelling around the world like we do, and as much as we do, you only ever have your hotel room to go to and your thoughts get wandering in a hotel room as opposed to being with close friends and family who have been around for. the very beginning and know how you tick and how you work and if you want time away,

how you spend it. So it is an advantage and hopefully we can use it throughout the tournament because we do have a lot of breaks. We talk about Home World Cup as well but at the same time you're going to grounds where you've got a lot of fans supporting the other team. So we saw that at Trent Bridge. We're going to see that presumably here in Cardiff as well with Bangladesh fans. Yeah, that'll continue and that's part and parcel of the tournament. We do go to the four corners of country to cover games and to play at venues and hopefully encourage our fans to come out and support us and inspire the next generation because there are two sides to a World Cup as the performance side which is very important but it's how you perform and how you deal

with winning and losing obviously contributes to the the younger generation of kids coming through as far as setting yourselves up for this game is concerned some talk that adal Rashid might miss out this time what are your thoughts at the moment yeah there's a chance for we might go to four seamers, the wicket that we've seen yesterday, did look similar to the two wickets that have been played on here previously. There's a little bit extra grass on and it was green grass, but a little bit of weather around as well. There's a chance that we will look into changing the team.

However, we will confirm that tomorrow. I know that you won't be taking Bangladesh lightly in any way, shape or form, and in some ways, is it a team that you're going to pay extra attention to, bearing in mind what happened four years ago, and how strong and how experienced they are? Yeah, I think just on that point them being a very strong side they beat in South Africa

they ran very close race against New Zealand but the experience senior players that they have have played a lot more games than we have and they probably don't get as much coverage at home for us as other sides do so we certainly know them inside out we've toured Bangladesh, we've played them at home We've played them in world tournaments.

We know the challenges that they present, so hopefully we can overcome them. Played two, one, one, lost one. No sense of panic buttons being pressed or any fingers anywhere near panic buttons? Absolutely not. We know what we need to do to win a game. We're very realistic about performances when we win and lose games. If it doesn't go away the next game or the game after, there's no panic stations. It's all about producing performances and hopefully,

sticking to the process that the performances will produce. That's Owen Morgan speaking to Eleanor Oldroy. With me, a former England assistant coach, Paul Firebrace, and our correspondent Jonathan Agnew. Paul, let's start with you. What would have been said in that dressing room after that defeat to Park in San? I think the key thing would have been

and the word panic. There is no panic. I think that's one of Owen Morgan's real strengths is that he's very clear after a game the team have a very clear plan that they work to and Morgs would have made sure that everybody went away before the couple of days' break at home being very clear that we concentrate on ourselves

we think very much about our own individual performance but we think about how that fits into the team performance and we know what we're trying to do as a team and I think that would have been his message to the players make sure that when you come back and we practice before the next game we're very clear that it is about what we're do. And we can't control what the opposition do. It's all very much about what the team do

and making sure that we stay true to our values and true to ourselves to make sure that we play our best game. And there will be no panic. It was a, it was a disappointing defeat. And Morg's a very honest character. The way that he speaks to the media after games is exactly the way he speaks to his team in the change of him after a game. Is it one of the benefits of being the home team that you can actually just get away from the World Cup for a few days? Definitely. And I think that's something we talked about that you know in the planning and the preparation over the last couple of of years that was something that we were very keen to do at the same time make sure that the team embraced the World Cup and didn't lock themselves away from the from the day to day of the

World Cup enjoy the World Cup enjoy the spectacle that it is and feel very much part of it because I think that's really important as well but all the way through the tournament there are plans for the team at certain stages to get a couple of days away go away from a hotel go home, relax, do you have a bit of a normal day and then come back together again. And I think that freshness will certainly help this team. I think this team of this group of players, the shorter, sharper series have definitely worked well for them. So that there is trying to compartmentalise into sort of almost three short group stages

makes it better for this group of players. Jonathan, a plunk it for Rashid seems to be the word. Are you surprised by that, that England, are thinking about? doing this stage in the tournament? There's a lot of talk about Rashid being one of their key bowlers for this World Cup. Absolutely. I suppose you're talking conditions. You're talking Cardiff, which has got long square boundaries on either side. And the pitch, which of course we haven't seen us yet.

But with the rain around, the earlier matches we've seen there, the ballers move around and Owen Morgan's just there. He saw the pitch yesterday and it had a little bit of green in it. And the opposition, I suppose, that they are thinking of getting after Bangladesh a bit and therefore if they're going to have men out they're going to bowl a bit aggressively at them then that possibly is a sort of ground

where bats might be forced to take on the hook shot that that might succeed but I mean you wouldn't normally I don't think think too much about dropping Adil Rashid to be a valuable member of the side but it's horses for courses and I don't think that if they do make that change it's through any pressing of a panic button I mean far from it although I didn't think they were very good the other day at all at Trent Bridge

and maybe they were a little bit overhyped perhaps from that first game and it was it was all you know that all took a lot of energy out of them but they've got to come back and produce much better cricket all round because as we're saying Bangladesh are experienced slightly got four five of their squad have played around about 200 games and as you look at England there's only Morgan around that mark you know Bangladesh are not minnows anymore to use that well-worn expression you know They're an experienced, hardened team. And if England can get them in conditions that suit England, rather than Bangladesh, I'll be very pleased.

Bangladesh has beaten England four times. The first time was here in Bristol in July 2010. And actually they've won four of their last eight matches against England. So Bangladesh won four, England have won four of their last eight matches against each other. Since the Champions Trophy, 2017, Rashid has missed one, one day international. and Moeen has missed two. How concerned you, Jonathan, with Mowin's form with the bat? Well, very.

He just looks as if he hasn't got confidence at the moment. I don't know how they can give him time. I mean, funnily enough, if they hadn't lost to Pakistan, this match might have been one in which, A, they could have brought perhaps one or two players in from outside to give them some cricket. And this is an issue maybe further down the line if somebody breaks a finger does a hamstring,

something like that, you know, seven games in or something. There will be people who have been sitting around who wouldn't have had any cricket. And it might have been a game which he might have actually got mowing up the order a bit to give him to give him a hit and just try and get him some confidence.

But because of that loss to Pakistan, this match really comes under the spotlight now and they simply can't, they can't afford to do anything like that, I don't think. They've got to get out there and they've got to win this match. Therefore, any thought of experimenting or easing somebody in or,

getting Mowing a chance to have some time at the middle, rather than going in and having to score from the off. I think all that's been shelved now. They've got to get out there and get out there and win. Yeah, what about the general feel in the camp? They did so well in the Pakistan one day series. They've been doing so well for four years. But this is when it really matters.

Owen Morgan, we've known him. He'll sort of soak it all up and I don't know what he's feeling underneath. But is he able to transmit that feeling of being a relaxed team to the players? as he seems to be able to or do you think there will be in that dressing that feeling of of slight doubt and this is the World Cup

this is big now and we've just blown a great chance of making it two wins out of two you know what I mean it's happened before the championship's trophy as well I don't think there will be any doubts in the dress room I think there are a very

positive confident group of players I think that Owen as I say leads the team exceptionally well he is a man of few words but they're very positive the players all know that he supports them 100%.

So, you know, there won't have been a long inquest the other day about fielding. And Eleanor's question earlier, have you been doing extra fielding practices? No, we haven't. Because we know we're a good fielding side. Everybody talked after the first game. It was the best England fielding performance.

Well, that was a pretty average performance the other day at Trent Beach. There was a lot of average things. The things they were taken away would have been the fact they got within 14 runs having played a pretty ordinary, put on a pretty ordinary performance. So they're very good at putting,

the last game's gone. It's not about the last game, it's about the next game now. And Morgues will very much be talking and I've been talking to the players the last two days about it's this game that counts. This is all that matters. What's gone's gone. It's all about this game. We know we're a good side. We know we're well organised. We've got very good

plans. Got fantastic players. We've got match winners up and down the order with bat and ball. Let's go and do what we do well. Let's concentrate on what we do and let's not get caught up and worrying about what Bangladesh can or possibly might do. I know you feel that there's a bit of after the Lord Mayor's show performance

with the Pakistan games, they put so much into the South Africa game. I think you will. And I think, you know, there's been so much build-up and so much hype going into this World Cup about, you know, being the favourite and, you know,

there was so much through that Pakistan series. I think the England players were almost ready to start the World Cup about three weeks ago. I think in many ways, they wish they hadn't had, you know, that five-match series against Pakistan.

You needed it. And then I think the feeling I was getting, looking from a distance about the week that led up to the World Cup, those two practice games are almost, we don't need them. Let's just get on with the tournament. And I think so much pent-up energy went into that first game at the Oval, and it was a magnificent fielding performance.

They did really well. And they just looked flat to me at Trembridge the other day. They just looked very flat and just looking at people's body language. You know, they just looked as though they put so much into the previous game. That would have been a real lesson learned. There had been a real lesson learned in that last game, and I fully expect them now to come out, all guns blazing. I'm going to focus too.

There were one of two incidents at Trent Bridge other day. They had me a little bit worried. You know, Joe Root, for instance, you know, convince something odd was going on with the ball. Well, the umpire's actually doing a pretty good job, the games I've seen, in keeping an eye on the number of times, it bounces on coming in from the deep and so on. And they were all over it, I thought then.

And even to the point of actually showing the ball to Root and saying, look, there is nothing wrong with this. And there was, it seemed, you know, it wasn't going on. And woke unusually for him down the boundary. They're going to be excited and archer find. I mean, they've just got to keep that bit of focus as well, haven't they, Paul? And just get out there and just play the way they've been doing it for the last couple of years. Absolutely.

And I think that in many ways, you know, it happening in the second game that they will have addressed a lot of those issues. It just looked like a bit of a tetchy, grumpy team on the field. So where does that come from then? After you've won the first game and you're... As I say, I think they put so much into that first game that the second game there was almost a stage of, you know, perhaps a little bit sort of, not flat, tired, a bit drained, whatever it might be. And it just looked like a group of, you know, lads who were a bit tired, a bit touchy, needed a couple of days away from one another, and we'll come back fresh.

And as I say, Morg's is such a good reader of the group. He's such a good reader of individuals and he knows how to get the best out of people. And I think he'd have been very honest with them after the game and said, look, this wasn't good enough. This wasn't how we play the game. We got caught up in too many things we shouldn't have been caught up in. Let's come back fresh and let's make sure we're on it come Saturday in Cardiff. Andy Zaltzman.

I was going to ask this being a World Cup with nine different opponents. We've seen England be absolutely outstanding in bilateral series over the last few years. How much different is it from a coaching point of view and from the players preparing? when you're having to prepare for nine different teams over the space of a few weeks. Yes, a great point. And I think, you know, we made that point earlier today with Vic that it's actually very different playing a World Cup in this way,

playing a tournament in this way rather than playing a series. It is definitely a different feel. And that's where I think Morg's strength will be that he will constantly be reminding the team along with Trevor Bayliss that it's about what we do. Let's concentrate on what we can do. let's concentrate on the way that we play the game let's stay true to ourselves

that's a phrase that the England team have used a lot over the last couple of years stay true to ourselves play the game play the way that we know we play the game let's practice what we do let's concentrate on what we do yes there'll be a little bit of opposition analysis but ultimately if we play the game that we can play

we will beat the opposition and that that has to be the focus through this tournament Jonathan it's unthinkable isn't it that England can lose to Bangladesh tomorrow It's not impossible. What I mean is, it's not impossible, but I mean for their World Cup campaign, to be beaten by Bangladesh at this stage and one win out of three, I mean, that was not what they were thinking about in terms of, you know,

when they were going into this World Cup. I think in some ways, and I do agree with Paul, I think maybe just that slip up against Pakistan might focus some minds and look at things and honestly and say, come on, we have got to do better than this. We can afford one slip up. They've got the conditions, I think, to serve. them with Bangladesh all the rain around at the moment, that pitch undercovers all day to day,

that possibility of playing that extra seema rather than the spinner. But, you know, look at the way that Bangladesh actually beat South Africa. I mean, it was a proper skilled, hardened, experienced performance, wasn't it? And that's the sort of team that England are up against. As I said earlier, they're not up against Minos anymore in former Bangladesh. They're up against a good team. But the conditions, the experience, and what England have... have achieved over the last couple of years.

Okay, we've taken a little bit of a dent the other day, but let's see. But I would imagine that they're going to come out and put together a much better performance than that. The TMS podcast, available every day during the Cricket World Cup. Let's talk a little bit about Joffra Archer now. There was a lot of focus on him coming into this World Cup. Would he be picked? Well, yes, he was. I think that was always going to happen.

I don't, Paul, I don't know whether you were in on that couple of months ago. When he became available, whether he knew he was going to be picked for this world, Cup? My view was quite simple that we knew that he was very skillful. I've seen a lot of him. I've watched a lot of Sussex over the last few years. My stepson plays at Sussex and so I've seen a lot of him. I had no doubt about his skill. I had absolutely no doubt about that. My concern was that we were almost building him up to be this great savior to come in and help us cross the line and win the World Cup. And I thought that was a dangerous place to get any player into. And that was my only concern. And, you know, I have, as I say, no doubt about his skill.

I was just nervous that we built him up to a level that was going to make it very difficult for him. Yeah, because he's still a relatively inexperienced cricketer who's only 24 years of age. Anyway, so far, three for 27 and naught for 79 at Trent Bridge. Here's an insight into his variations, courtesy of his Sussex teammate, Timmel Mills. So you'd probably say in terms of slowball, his main go-to is a leg cutter. he will go to the back of the hand slowball after that but his leg cutter is probably his go-to with his action the way he kind of comes over that side of the ball slightly

when you see him hopefully the summer you'll see him with the red ball in the ashes but if you do you'll see that'll be mainly coming into the right-handed batter so that suits a leg cutter and he's got a brilliant yorker which you see so much in T-20s but the opposite of variation I think his strength has been his consistency

to hit the top of the stump the top of off stump, the amount of times you see in the IPL, the Big Bash, he comes in in the power play and he just relentlessly smashes that top of off and guys can't hit you, and then that forces them to make mistakes. And then when you're doing that at a good pace, which is, you know, high 80s, early 90s, that then makes you slow a ball, you change up, the leg cuts of the back of the hand, slowball, that much more effective. Do you talk to him or have you talked to him about when he uses these

and the techniques behind them, the mental side of things and the situational one too? Yeah, I think, well, Joss obviously, played a lot of cricket in a short period of time. You know, he kind of, he got a gig in the Big Bash with me and the Hobart Hurricanes two years ago, and that was his first kind of taste of the big leagues as such, played for obviously Sussex, and he played a stint in the Bangladesh Premier League. But then he kind of learned on the job, really, just his natural talent got him through. And in that situationally, that's where you learn. You learn by playing and you get a feel for things.

Yeah, his bumper, you know, we've seen in the World Cup already. It's a real good weapon, and it seems to be an extra few mile and out. quicker than the rest. You see in slow motion his wrist how it kind of snaps behind the ball last minute. So definitely on your bumper, if you can get that a little bit of extra, bouncing it, it definitely helps. Because if you bowl a bumper kind of

not quite committing to it, we've seen it, it gets demolished, doesn't it, in world cricket? So, yeah, Geoff, he's a smart guy and he's learning all the time because in cricket terms, he's still relatively inexperienced. He's only been playing kind of at the highest level for two years, three years.

So, you know, in my opinion, I'll only get better. When you saw him at Sussex, were these slow balls and his variations tools he already had or has he developed those over the course of the last couple of years? Well, he's very natural cricketer Joff. He's annoyingly good at everything to do with cricket. You know, you'll often see him in the game bowling pretty passable left arm spin in the warm-ups and leg spin and that's how he warms up and he's kind of just can kind of turn his arm to anything and you say, oh, try, bowl this delivery and there's a good chance he'll be able to go out and do it. So he's obviously very naturally talented cricketer which we all can see you know in spades and I think when he first came

in it was more just about the pace and and the ease of which he does it and kind of from a slightly awkward action in terms of his runner but yeah I think as I say the way you can just turn to things quite naturally and quite quickly and then you know he obviously practice really hard as well if he gets in his mind he wants to perfect or try a new delivery he'll get in the nets and he'll work on it until he's confident enough to bring it out in the game how different is it, you know, with the element of disguise as well. You know, you've got four or five different deliveries, yorkers, slower balls, leg cutters, back of the hand ones, bumpers, orthodox deliveries. How hard does he work to try and keep those disguised so that he fools batsman?

Yeah, so arm speed's the main one for any slower ball. So you don't want to drop your arm speaks and you give him the batsman a cue as in to what's coming. Even if you can't pick what the cue is, you can tell that, you know, something's going to be happening here. So, you know, it's a slower ball. And it's just, yeah, it's just how you set them up as well. That's also a disguise. So you don't want to be predictable. You don't want to, because the amount of cricket that we play now around the world,

there's analysts, you know, every game you play is being logged. And eventually trends will come up, like, just to make one up, you could an analyst could come up to and tell you, look, when Geoffrey Archer or any bowler bowls the 20th over, he bowls on average, three out of his six, his leg cutters. So, you know, that's data, that's facts. So you've got to try and mix it up. You've got to assess the situation. If it's a pitch that isn't quite taking slow balls,

just a pace on heavy-length ball might be just as good. So it's an interesting one. And as you say, the amount of data that's out there at the moment and every team has an analyst that's sitting there tapping away and can draw all this information and all these codings. You can't be predictable. So that's where your varieties and your amounts of different variations that really comes into play.

From BBC Radio 5 Live. This is the CMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. Let's talk about England's opponents now. Bangladesh, they beat England in the last two World Cups, lest we forget, Chittagong and Adelaide, former England and Worcestershire wicketkeeper Steve Rhodes is their head coach. He's been speaking to the BBC's Adam Williams about his frustrations that his Bangladesh players aren't more experienced in English conditions.

I'd like a lot more of them to play counter cricket if possible. It seems as though our players are a little bit unfashionable and the coaches don't really want them. But if they really knew the skills and ability of some of the players, they would potentially be signing them. So that's a little bit disappointing, but the odd player, Sakeeb, Tamim,

has played county cricket, and that has been useful for them. But I think the international experience of our guys is one of our strengths. We've got guys who've played international cricket for a long period of time now, and we've got plenty of ODI caps under our belt. in our squads so experience is one of our strengths and playing in England yeah it's nice

having somebody like me with so many years involved in the county game and England and but actually you know what they know their stuff as well our boys are very clever and they've played here quite a bit and they know the grounds they know the opposition and they know what to do for you now that you're about a year into this job what have been the sort of challenges and what have been the things that surprised you as well about how well you've managed to settle into the role. Yeah, it's a very different job to what I was doing and there's different challenges and some are very tough and I've had to think long and hard about the way I want to approach things and with a very experienced squad trying to get the best out of those guys so I've come up with a formula

that seems to be working at the moment. It's quite a relaxed frame of coaching and giving the right structure when it's needed and required. But I think basically letting some very talented players express themselves and play some good cricket and I think that's best for Bangladesh cricket. I know obviously your full attention on the immediate term will be on Bangladesh, but as an Englishman and someone in your playing career I know who was probably on the fringes of a couple of national squads in your time, what do you make of England's chances and the England team that they've got at their disposal that on home turf, surely?

have got a very good chance. Well, they're playing some amazing cricket at the moment, aren't they? And, you know, they're rightfully world number ones, and they've got problems in selecting a squad. Everything's going right for them. It's their backyard. They know the grounds. They know the wickets, and they're going to have huge support.

So they should do very, very well. But what comes with that is huge expectation and the favourites tag and often the pressure can build even more. so that's the only thing they've got to guard against is trying to handle that weight of expectation from the nation and hopefully for us in Bangladesh, as an Englandman saying, for us in Bangladesh, it'd be great at Cardiff if we can spoil the party. A few months ago, obviously, this team found itself

unfortunately caught up in the middle of a rather tragic incident in Christchurch. You were not too far away from that when it happened and the reaction and what happened afterwards was quite well documented. Does something like that really put the game in perspective about where you sort of sit in the global stage? Yeah, it certainly did that day and it's sad to see the things happen later on in Sri Lanka as well so that's another wonderful cricket playing country

that is going through some struggles but you know it's a worry for the whole world I'm sure and there's lots of strange people out there who are doing some strange things and it's meant that security has been tightened up which is great. But the players are okay. That's the important thing for me now,

which is, you know, have the players got over this? And I think they're getting there. And they feel safe over here, and they feel safe with the security that we have got. But, you know, who is safe this day and age? It's very sad to see. But these guys have got no agendas. They're just cricketers who want to play in a World Cup

and do as well as they can and hopefully win a World Cup. And that's their dream. So that's on the forefront of their minds. at the moment and thankfully the events in Christchurch now are slowly slowly going away from their thoughts you personally though did you have an opportunity to talk to some of your your peers in the game such as Paul Farbrace and Trevor Bayliss who unfortunately found themselves caught in a very similar situation years ago in Pakistan well yeah I funnily enough not since the event

but I actually support to Chris Broad and Farby and Trevor about their the event in Pakistan and it's very sad and you know I know that the right thing to do is just to crack on and get on with cricket and that's what the boys have done and they're quite strong our fellas and they know that playing cricket can be a distraction away from those worries and it's what they enjoy it's what they love doing it's a passion as well as a job for a lot of these guys and that's nice to see I imagine it was important in the immediate aftermath though of those events in Christchurch that the players had their opportunity and their time to take stock and to take time away from the game. But was it a question of constant conversations with yourselves and the rest of the team to work out when they were happy to move on it and keep going? No, it was more. We wanted them back with families. You know, there's no better place after an incident like that was to get back with families. So they had a bit of time off, time away.

The other good thing about our boys is that they spend a lot of time together. So often on an evening there'll be five, six, seven guys in a room, just chatting away and that is communicating things to each other and sharing their thoughts and about that event would have been a healing process and all I can say is you know we're in a good spot now we've not gone down a huge avenue of of counseling and things like that but it's been available but thankfully for us as I mentioned earlier their passion their desires is actually to do well at cricket and that's in the forefront of their minds which is great they have a distraction away from that shock and horror

and now it's a wonderful thing called the World Cup. That's the Bangladesh coach, Steve Rhodes, talking to the BBC's Adam Williams. Paul Farbrace has been listening to that. What advice, I've been through, well, something worse actually than the Bangladesh players

went through. What advice would you give those players and Steve Rhodes as a coach? Well, I think Steve mentioned it there, the fact that they've spent a lot of time together talking about it and being together. That, for me, was one of the best things that we did. I was unfortunately in hospital for about a week,

eight days after the attack, and my room became a bit of a hub. And some of the young lads, Jantha Mendez was also in the hospital. He was in the next room to me. He used to come into my room. And a few of the young lads who were on that trip came in and he used to sit in the room,

and we just used to sit and talk and chat. And, you know, we didn't, some of the lads had counselling, but we didn't have too much counselling because we sort of did that ourselves and we talked through ourselves and we got through the process and the horrible situation

and I think that's something that by the sounds of it the Bangladesh team have done exactly the same right let's move back on to the cricket now and bring in the BBC's Roush and Alam who contributes to the Dusra podcast on Bangladesh cricket

well what have you made of Bangladesh's start is it beyond your wildest dreams or do you expect this I think before the tournament if I was offered one win and one loss from the first two games I would have shook your hand on it because it's taken a win against one of the big teams but I think

if I'm honest had we won two games that had Bangladesh won two games in a row then the first loss would have come as quite a shock because I think it's come at just the right time for them to look at the tight team look at the line up look at the performance and go well here are the things we can tweak going into one of the hardest games in the tournament but also following that

games against what they'll look at a slightly easier games against the other Asian teams what chance do you give Bangladesh of upsetting England again they've been in the last two world cups I think this is going to be a significantly harder match than the last two World Cups and Bangladesh are a significantly

better side than they were in the last two World Cups but England's progression just comparatively seems a lot, a lot harder and I think there's been a deliberate composure from the teams when speaking about this game. I mean, I think a match win is possible, but a lot has to go their way tomorrow for them to get the

two points. Yeah, what do think they have to do well? I think it starts from team selection. I think the team selection against South Africa was right but I don't think it was quite right against New Zealand I think we lacked a sort of second strike bowler someone who

Mushraffi could throw the ball to and sort of go right get me a wicket here in fact I think they left too much to do for Shaquille they wanted him to sort of choke the run rate and take wicket so I think judging the conditions in Cardiff with it due to rain overnight I think they seriously look at the pitch and the condition that go right

who are actually going to who are the players who are actually going to get a result here and then I think with Bangladesh has always been the first 10 overs of each innings. I think when batting, if you can hold onto your wickets, when we've played on pitches like the one that they'll play on in Cardiff, we've seen our Bangladesh be sort of two, three wickets down

in the first ten overs. And that really can change the momentum of the game. And then like the same with the ball if Fizz can get a couple of wickets early on and sort of take the momentum in Bangladesh's direction. I think that always just carries confidence through the entire game. Do you think a game against England on a

pitch that might have a green tinge in it, after rain overnight, holds the same fears for Bangladesh as perhaps it would have done, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, you know, coming to a World Cup in England and playing against what might well be a heavily paste-dominated England attack? I don't think they fear it as much. And the reason I say that is because in the last couple of years, they've had to face these things and they've realised that these are things they need to work on. They went to the West Indies and realised that they were struggling against

something that went down the off-side. went to New Zealand and realised that they struggled to play against swing, they toured South Africa and were like, well, hang on, we're really awful against the straw ball. So they've had time to do their homework and figure out a plan and revise and come to this World Cup prepared. So I actually think they're in a better position for the challenge tomorrow than they have been during previous series in tournaments. So take us through Bangladesh's perfect day in terms of how the game might pan out. I think a lot will depend on the toss. I think it's It's going to be what? It's going to rain overnight.

I think if they pick an extra scene with someone like Abu Jaya who hasn't played a game in the World Cup yet and they can get some extra movement out of the pitch early on and be bold and go, right, we're going to play to the conditions here rather than our traditional strength. I think that could be one way of going about it. I mean, it's going to depend a lot on also the player's just not making mistakes against New Zealand. I feel like we could have had a win.

But there were a lot of kind of silly mistakes that happened and like Mishvika Rahim Smith run out and a couple of the drop catchers, there was very little in that team where it was like, right, there's a massive problem that they need to go away and work on. It was just silly mistakes

that they all know that they were silly mistakes and cost them the game. So I think from Bangladesh's point of view, I think a good result on the toss, I think picking the right line up, and then just applying and doing everything that they know they can do to the best of their abilities

and hoping they have a good day on the pitch. From BBC Radio 5 Live, this is the TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup. So that's the Bangladesh game plan. They just need to deliver now. What about England then? What have they been up to since their defeat to Pakistan? Here's Mark Wood.

I just went straight to London for a couple of days with my wife. And we ended up going to Harry Potter World, which is good fun. It's something that, I mean, I enjoy the Harry Potter films. My wife loves the Harry Potter stuff to sort of see. The props and the studio set and have a go of the flying the brooms. that kind of stuff was uh it was actually good laugh um i kind of believe actually how excited i was i was nearly as excited as playing a world cup match i wasn't that excited but i was pretty excited um you know the griffindore scoffs and all that i had them all the robs i had everything

on i was if you're gonna have a go you've got to play a full part haven't you so um now i really enjoyed it i was surprised how how excited i was to go i was like a little kid um but uh a great day out and something good to do to switch off completely from cricket because when you're at cricket like I say you're switched on it's intense and it's it can be quite draining whereas when you're away from cricket if you can totally switch off and do something else it's it makes it better when you come back to doing to doing cricket you reflect on the match and you have a thing about what could have gone better what I could have done better what we could have done better as a team but as well you've got to have that sort of downtime where you

you do something completely different. And I don't know what else I can do next. Maybe the British History Museum or maybe I'll go to Hobbiton or a trip to New Zealand, I don't know. Something else. It was good fun though. Favorite Harry Potter film? I like the Half Blood Prince.

I quite like Snape, you know. A bit dark and bit edgy, isn't he? And Alan Rickman's class. Is he your favourite character? I think he probably is. I probably him or Johnny Best or Ron Weasley, one of them too. Did anyone at Harry Potter World go? That looks like Mark Wood in a Gryffindore scarf.

No, I got away with it. I was obviously that well disguised that that must have just thought was part of the common room at the Gryffindore Common Room, so I got away with it. Well, that was Mark Wood. You can read more about that in his column on the BBC Sport website and app.

Andy, do you think Harry Potter World is an appropriate way to prepare for a World Cup match? I'm sure you've got plenty of experience of this. I'm not acquainted with Harry Potter World, to be honest. I'm a bit of quidditch practice I guess that hones the reactions doesn't it

you know but yeah I'm at theme parks I'd like to think the England team has been spending the afternoons at Eddie Hemings World the wonderful Nottinghamshire theme park based around the life and times

of the great moustache O'D Offspinner Yeah have we got a bit of time of this Where does Eddie Hemings world look like Then I wonder I imagine there's some thrilling roller coaster shape like his moustache And you know The twirlinator

Recreates the way that his tidy off spin was through the air. I haven't really thought it through, Simon. But I do hope someday there will be an Eddie Hemings world for the children. A, I think there should be, and I think B, it's fairly clear you haven't really thought it through. But, I mean, out there, listening to this, you can let

your imaginations run wild. I think what Eddie Hemings' world would look like. Now, we've also been asking you where you're listening. Ollie, Will... I'm sure you could have theme parks based on other Old England spinners as well. Okay. Big Markswell. There we go.

Well, we'll just allow you to let your imaginations run wild on that. Now, we've also been asking, where you're listening. Ollie Williams, hi TMS, team. I am listening to the podcast on my commute to work from Casina Depeche into Milan. Cricket is not known or followed here, but through the medium of BBQ Street Cricket. I've actually Googled that, and nothing comes up at all. So I'm not absolutely sure what that is. But through the medium of BBQ Street Cricket, I try in vain to convert the locals one at a time.

Is that just setting up a barbecue in the street and then charging people if they want a sausage, you've got to play some cricket? I mean, I'd like to see that scheme tried around the schools and parks of Britain. Well, maybe they could put BBQ street cricket in Eddie Hemings' world. Well, we can build a better planet.

This comes from Jeremy Kent. Hi, TMS, the podcast is the highlight of my life. Sorry, day, he wrote, sorry. Every day so far this summer. Listening from my French home in the ski resort of Valterends, he says, we had snow last week. So they hear the cricket is a real tonic, or they hear the lack of cricket today.

Indeed. Sam TAR, dear TMS team, I've been following the World Cup on your podcast, and more importantly, Somerset's pursuit of a first ever county championship title from Beijing, which I can happily report is currently not smog-bound. Indeed, the air after the storms has an almost English freshness to it. Currently gearing up for our own cricket season here, which consists of a three-team league.

I represent the Beijing Ducks. That's not a great name for a cricket team, is it? That's a good bit of self-knowledge. Yeah, I represent the Beijing Ducks, a team formed nearly three years ago with its core aim of playing for enjoyment and a sneaky desire to win in brackets. I think China's now in the official ICC rankings, aren't they? They expanded the world rankings to include now, I think it's about 80 teams,

and I believe China is below the likes of Jersey, which I guess there's not many aspects of... of sports that would be the case probably not table tennis but I mean if they ever took it up seriously in China

they might get pretty good at it and that actually if you think about the Olympics if it became an Olympic sport T20 or 100 or T10 even became an Olympic sport Test cricket Simon let's have test cricket in the Olympics

let's have a year long Olympics with all nations playing each other in tests Well obviously that would be the ultimate goal but I think sometimes just sometimes we need to be a bit more realistic Where's your sense of adventure? Rashid Shaw writes, I recently listened to you

while on a tour of the Balkans, Slovenia and Croatia, where I witnessed cricket being played by school kids in Ljubljana. Who says our beloved sport is dying? I'm now back in Canada, writes Rashid, and we'll continue listening. So that's good to hear, isn't it?

Cricket on the streets of Slovenia. Slovenia, China. Well, we've had... Italy. Emails from all over the world. I think Slovenia is one of the very few nations that Mohammed Nabi has not played against during his international

career. This is clearly, it's a long world cup and I wonder if we can find a listener from every single country in the world. I think there's over 190 that are officially recognised by the UN.

Can we get a listener from every single one of those? If not, then maybe we can send Dan Norcross to Equatorial Guinea. Sort of drum up support there. That might have the adverse effect there, mightn't it? If you are listening in one of the less expected cricketing outposts of the world, or indeed beyond the world, if you're listening elsewhere in the universe,

I don't know how far these digital broadcasts go now or indeed the internet, do email us TMS at bbc.co.uk and put podcast in the title. Let's hear from every single nation on this planet. Now, Simon, you were pretty sceptical on this podcast when we received an email from William Folds Hall who claimed he was listening from a nudist colony in North Florida, where he works as a caretaker, or I'd hope an extreme caretaker, he noted your cynicism, and he writes,

Dear TMS, listening to the crew on the podcast, Simon Mann appeared to be a bit skeptical. One of my friends from England heard the podcast and commented that if he didn't know me, he would think it was made up, but it is for real. My American wife, Lisa, works in the office and a restaurant at the nudist camp, and yes, we do wear clothes for work. Please find some pictures attached. Well, as this is a family, shall we won't share the pictures.

I mean, it's also an audio show so we won't share the video, but I won't describe. She's wearing a towel. But there it is. Your scepticism, Simon, has been blown out of the water by fact. Okay, well, fair enough. Yep.

Absolutely right. I think it's a good time to say goodbye, don't you? We've had no cricket today, which has been hugely disappointing here in Bristol. And as we say goodbye to you... Well, it's sunny, isn't it? It's a beautiful sunny afternoon. Now, clearly, there was.

a huge amount of rain, but did we not need a bit more flexibility on cutoff times, particularly for a World Cup? You know, there's floodlights, there's long evenings. I know the broadcasters have response, but isn't it not more important to get a game on? Paul Farbrose made the point, and it's a decent one, that it has to be the same for everybody. So tomorrow, for example, if we had a similar situation, Afghanistan against New Zealand down in Taunton, which is a day-night game, how long do you extend into the evening? Do you end up playing to midnight?

Do you end up playing to 1 o'clock in the morning? So in a way, I mean, there has to be some sort of hard and fast regulation. Unfortunately today, Sri Lanka and Pakistan have fallen foul of it. We could have got some cricket in today, I think, in Bristol, but not within the stipulated time. So unfortunately, it is the third ever World Cup washout. Goodbye from Bristol. The TMS podcast at the Cricket World Cup.

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