Test Match Special - Day 4: England victory hopes still alive

Episode Date: July 19, 2020

Jonathan Agnew presents the TMS podcast after an exciting fourth day of the second Test between England and the West Indies at Old Trafford. England will begin the final day 219 runs ahead on 37-2 after the tourists were bowled out for 287. Aggers, Michael Vaughan and Carlos Brathwaite review a lively final session that saw Stuart Broad take 3 wickets in 14 deliveries and Joe Root send out Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler to open their second innings. Eleanor Oldroyd speaks to Broad and West Indies opener Kraigg Brathwaite and there’s an interview with West Indies chief executive Johnny Grave about the decision to send the team to play in England and how COVID-19 could affect the game on the islands.

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I'm Jonathan Agnew. Welcome to the Test Match Special podcast from Emirates Old Trafford. It ended up being a really eventful fourth day as England gave themselves at least a chance of winning the game on the final day. We'll get the thoughts of Michael Vaughan and Carlos Brathwaite shortly and you'll hear from Stuart Broad, who changed the match for the second new ball

and from the West Indies opener Craig Brathet. And a little later in the podcast, I'll be joined by the head of West Indies cricket on how he encouraged his players to make this tour. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. England leading by 219 runs, a 37 for 2 at the close.

There are 98 overs remaining in the match, but there will be two of those lost because of the change of innings. Stokes is on 16, Root is on 8, England, turned their batting order around, they open with Buckler to try and inject some real speed

into the half hour or so they had tonight. Well, he got out for Nort and Crawley for 11 but it's not a bad little addition that there's 37 runs that were scored the lead therefore 219 but the real action happened this afternoon because West Indies

seem to be moving on very comfortably to their total of 270 they needed to avoid the follow-on and then suddenly England took the second new ball Stewart Broad took three for one in 14 balls West Indies lost six for 45

and only Rosson Chase is 51 help them over the line of the follow-on. Shamar Brooks made a very good 68. Craig Brathet, 75, broad finish with 3 for 66, Wokes 3 for 72, current 2 for 70. So 287 all out, a lead of 182. If I mentioned, England at the close, then 37 per 2.

They lead by 219. Michael Vaughn is there against a setting sun. I can see him in the corner of the commentary box. Well, what do you make of all of that towards the end? Well, yeah, England have done the right thing. thing. I mean, they bowled so well with that second new ball. It set the game up. They've done the right thing with the batting

line that we didn't look like it was going to happen. We saw Rory Burns and Dom Sibley charging off the pitch. I thought, yep, they'll open with their orthodox open ers and try and tell them to be busy. To see Butler and Stokes charge out there, I know it didn't work out for Josh Butler but I think it was good intent.

England looked to me like they're going to try and get another 60 runs quickly, pull out, try and have 85-0s if they possibly can. That's their ideal target to make sure they've got a second new ball later on tomorrow night, if required. But because of that spell of Stuart Broad, Chris Wokes, Sam

Curran, they've given themselves a great chance. We've seen the pitch. It's just starting to play a few tricks. And it won't be easy for the West Indians to bat out the day. I guess if they see off that first new ball there will be a roller that will play more of a part tomorrow. They have a chance, but

it's not going to be easy batting last tomorrow, just trying to survive, which England will be able to create pressure by having fielders around the bat. I look at something like Craig Brathaway, he's going to have to face the new ball on a pitch that's doing plenty. He's the one batsman. I look at that good bat, a long, long period of time.

And Rost and Chase, who's played so well. The rest of them, I just feel that they'll create opportunities because they're more stroke players. They like to get on with the game. So I think England have got a great chance of levelling the series tomorrow. Carlos, mid-afternoon, it just seemed like it was all done, done and dusted.

You're just wondering which of the guys will go on and get 100? Yeah. Who'll get one. Easy day tomorrow All of a sudden It's test cricket Trifa and All the results are possible

Now it's fantastic stuff with Stuart Broad You can see where he has the record he has But again with the West Indies batting line up You always think the one wicket away From a collapse And they've done well over the years To have risen from that Getting to 20 and getting out

Getting to 30 and getting out They've progressed somewhat And more batterers are getting starts are getting 50s, they're getting 60s. I think the next step in the progression of this batting unit is to go on and make hundreds. And then after that, to make big hundreds, you see how Sibley got in and got big.

They won't want to do it like that because the stroke player is not, I guess, accumulators like he is. But then you look at Stokes, who also is a stroke player, but he rode out the tough times. He batted long, put a big price on his wicket, and then he accelerated, and he went from 60 to 70. he got a hundred and then he continued to go on. So that is the next step in progression.

There has been improvement in the batting unit, but you still always feel as though the one wicket away from a massive collapse, and that's what happened this evening. You could have a little bit of a dangling carrot tomorrow, couldn't you? I mean, if Root does pull out that little bit of legs once a second you ball and so on, I mean, it's not, you can't write off a West Indian win.

Yeah, you can't, but they won't be looking at that. It will be reckless for them to go into tomorrow thinking, let's set it be game to win you firstly don't want to lose that may sound negative but you put a high price on your wicket you still go out there back with positive intent as you would on a normal basis

you get to T and you need 80 runs in a session you then go for it to build your foundation first you don't go out there trying to get 280 and then you find themselves 80 for 6 and you scrambling to defend to the last session

so it's how they go about it and yeah is the possibility the bowlers have done well. The fielders have done well tonight. Just come on and do it again. Tomorrow, England needs to force the play. They do. I can imagine what it must be like as the England captain going to bed tonight. All the fun, of course, and the honour and everything else of being in captain. But big call tomorrow.

Yeah, but it's better to be in that position than, you know, what Ben Stokes found himself in sleeping on day four in Saddamson when, you know, his team were going to lose. You know, I think Joe Root will have a little bit of A few years ago in his mind. I think that's bound to have some kind of small effect on his decision. But with the way that he sent out Butler and Stokes tonight, I think it's quite clear that he's going to give himself as much opportunity to level the series. This is a series that England expect to win.

I think drawing the series is not what this England team is all about. And they've got a chance, as they had chances at Southampton to win the game, this is another chance to go on and win the test match and set up a thrilling last test match starting on front. I thought England were really good today because there was a period where, you know, the ball wasn't doing a great deal. Don Best was struggling. The West Inns were playing with control. Shamar Brooks and Craig Brathwaite were just strolling it around, hitting boundaries pretty much at will. And then all of a sudden, Ben Stokes got the ball.

I don't know why it took so long for him to get the ball in hand. It was over 50 overs old when he did. And he started to bowl bounces, then Stuart Broad followed his lead and ball bounces. And what that did is, because the ball wasn't swinging and seeming, it didn't allow the West Indies to score quick. because they just went into a little bit of a defense mechanism. And then Wicitts started to fall with that second new ball because England, if they had carried on bowling full of length and kind of bowling very English,

the Westerners probably would have scored 30 or 40 more runs before that second new ball and would have been in a different situation now. So I thought it was really good tactics. I mean, the Westerners didn't use the bouncer at all in the first. And I thought England just used that tactic really nicely. They'll know that there's a lot of hard work to do. I don't think tomorrow is just a day where you roll up and win.

It'll be a day where you expect your seamers, particularly with the newer ball to create opportunities. And as I said, Southampton, they had opportunities to win the game. They didn't take them. They've got another great chance tomorrow to win the test match and go one or. What else Stuart Broadfield? Relieved. Relieved.

He's taken three for one with a second new ball. Well, it was relieved because when that second new ball was taken, he had to deliver. But, you know, he really did have to deliver because we were all around the commentary box, all the start starting to talk. Wait a minute, the West Indies will back till lunch tomorrow and then we'll have a couple of really boring last

sessions, who's going to play on Friday and all the talk was, you know, Joffre will come back in, Jimmy Anderson will come back, Broad, he'll have to go again. How's he going to take, not being picked for the next test match? Well, he showed once again that when he gets on one of those, you can see it in his knees and his energy in his room. And he just got on that kind of role. But he put pressure on himself by saying those things at Southampton.

I mean, he had to come here and deliver, didn't he? Yeah, I mean, today, I guess if we're honest about the England bowling attack that's in this game, it kind of typifies what they are. For a long period of time, when the ball was doing nothing, they looked ill-effective. It really was. And England, Sam were going, wait a minute, how are you going to get any wickets? And all of a sudden, the second ball was taken, and it did all sorts. And when you got Wokes and Broad and Sam Croom with the ball doing plenty,

there's not many in the world better that will put the ball in the right spot with enough energy on to create plenty of doubt on both sides of the bat and you've got Broad Anderson, Woke, Sam Curran England have got plenty of bowlers who could bowl well when the ball's just doing plenty as we saw this evening

but it's character that's what I like in in Stuart Ball throughout all his career he's always shown a huge amount of character pressure Carlos can they take it you've got 20 seconds to go can they do it? Yeah hold out

Oh you don't sound confident Carlos He doesn't know I didn't know I was Before our second group, all. There was a look there at the corner of your eye. We shall see. We'll see tomorrow. Thank you, Carlos. Thank you, Michael.

We'll remember that little, ooh. That little glance at the corner of his eye. We'll remind him tomorrow. This is the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. Now we can get some reaction. First from England's Stuart Broad, back in the side and taking wickets. He's been speaking to Eleanor Oldroyd. Right, Stuart, just talk us through then.

That spell after tea, new ball in your hand. How did that feel? Yeah, it was great to have that feeling of taking wickets again. I think, in all honesty, I was probably a bit careful in my first couple of spells. I was just trying to find my feet a little bit. You know, match fitness isn't just a physical thing. It's a mental thing as well. And having not played since January, I think all three of us that didn't play last week

felt like we needed just a couple of spells to get going. And actually, I think going around the wicket bowling some bounces helped me get through my action, and make me realize what sort of tempo I needed at the crease. And I hit the crease harder with a bit more pace with that second new ball. And the new ball worked for me. You know, it kept a little bit low at times. I just wanted to hit the stumps and hit the pitch as hard as I could. And I think it was important to get a couple of wickets in that little period

because it's given us the chance, you know, ideally follow-on would have been great, but it's given us the chance to grow a bit of a lead and still get two new balls tomorrow. Do you feel very motivated after being dropped in Southampton and talking about it so honestly? I'm always motivated. It's always disappointing when you miss a game, but like Jimmy and Woody and Joff are no different. This week, they'll be disappointed to miss this game,

more rested, I suppose, than missing out this week. But, yeah, it's always disappointed when you don't play, but every time you play for any, you've got to try and take any opportunity that comes your way. you know, it's probably a pitch here that would have suited a bit of extra pace really with that sort of bounces working and it may be keeping low from length. But it's great to have the opportunity here and great that we've got ourselves in a position that we could win. We need 10 chances tomorrow, 10 opportunities.

We need to make that new ball count. There's no doubting that. But, you know, if we could get West Indies 50 for 3 or something, we're in with a great shout. I have to say, T, we were all up there saying this is going to be a draw. There's absolutely no way that the West Indies are going to let England get back into this. So you did brilliantly after T. The whole group of you, not just you, but obviously Chris, Chris Wilkes and Sam Cairn. Yeah, we do. We needed a quick wicket.

So that was great to have an impact like that from the bowling unit. And, you know, the positive way to look at it, yes, the new ball behaved for us slightly differently. But actually, could it have been the pitch deteriorating? It was, we've had sunshine, we've had wind all day, has it dried out that little bit more to start misbehaving a little bit more, which would bode really well for us tomorrow. You know, I think patience is still going to be a thing tomorrow. We can't come out here and try and bowl ten magic balls. We still need to try and hit the stumps as often as possible. I think Bessie will play a big role as the spinner.

You know, I think scoreball pressure is always a really tough thing to cope with, and we need to set it up in the first. first hour, so we've got enough scoreball pressure to apply to the West Indies, but also let the bowlers go free. And is there a general sense of what you'd like to be defending? I don't really care about the runs, to be honest. I think that having two new balls would be really important, even if it's for four, five, six overs for that second new ball, you know, if we need two or three wickets, that could, that could prove crucial. Anything over two, six, five, two, I think as a bowling unit we should be able to defend because a there's times you can shut the scoring rate down here even if you go short for a period it's it's quite wide so it's

quite dangerous taking on the pool shot so you can stop the scoring but we you know at no stage are we going to underestimate what the West Indies can chase because we saw at the Rose Bowl with the GES Bowl last week how calmly they chased that score under a lot of pressure so they've got some very dangerous players and we'll have to be at our best to get the chances tomorrow. Just a final thought. I'm guessing in this test match, you've got something you've never experienced before, which is that your dad is on the match officials panel. He's the match referee. Have you had a conversation with him about it? Have you had any contact with him or are you not allowed to? I'm not allowed to really. No, we're in different bubbles, I think

it's called. So, yeah, I think it's great to have a bit of family support. I think I'm the only one who's got a parent supporting and watching. Well, I suppose officially he can't say he's supporting. He's totally neutral. But I think if I, if anything goes upstairs for me, I think it goes to a different person, maybe over FaceTime or Zoom. So he won't actually be able to reprimand me, so to speak, I think, unless it's for slow overate, etc. But if he does that, he won't get a Christmas card. Stuart, great to see you. Thank you. Well done. Go all tomorrow. Thank you. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.

Well, that was Stuart Brawl clearly on very good form, back in the side. And speaking to Eleanor Oldroyd, who also spoke of the West Indies top scorer, Craig Brathet. Did at one stage you think, right, we can actually carry on, bat out the day and, you know, make it really difficult and absolutely guarantee the draw and the trophy? Yeah, I thought so. Obviously, when a new ball was taken, I thought, obviously, Brawl very well, you know, some good ball. So, you know, we just, as I say, tomorrow, we got to come focus and we know our job. This has been a great series, hasn't it? This first two test matches, it's been really, really fantastic to watch.

Yeah, thus far, I think, you know, it's been great, you know, going into the last day on both games, you know, there's always both teams, you know, looking that they have chances. Obviously, for us, it's merely, you know, to, at this point, believing to get the draw. But, you know, we have to see how the day it goes because you never know. I've got to ask you if the new ball seemed to be doing something different from the old ball, the second

new ball when it was taken. I mean it's harder so obviously it hits the service and it may shoot a little more than the softer ball. So I think getting through the new ball is always key especially here in England. Because obviously if you see

when we bowed it wasn't that easy to push it off that quickly. But I think the new ball, the period there is quite crucial. You know, it gets a little easy as the ball gets softer. When England came out to bat again, I wonder whether Kimar, Roach and Shannon Gabriel

thought it was a little bit disrespectful of them to send out Stokes and Butler as if, right, we can just knock off easy runs here? I mean, we weren't surprised. We know they're going to look for quick runs. So we just came with our plans. You know, I set the field accordingly. And final thought, do you think that having a day off

yesterday helped you guys at all? Did you manage to get? a little bit of rest and recuperation? Obviously, we got rest. You know, I won't say, because we're here to play cricket. But, you know, it was obviously good to get a rest. You can't do anything but we rain.

But, you know, we have a job to do. So whenever we go there, wherever days we play, we've got to be focused always. What's the plan for tomorrow? Well, we obviously see what England does in terms of declaration. If when we do bowl, you got to keep it tight, keep it dry.

And, you know, when we bat, it's pretty simple. You know, we just got to bat a bat well. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. Now, during T, the West Indies chief executive, Johnny Grave, joined me from Antigua. We discussed the reaction to the series over there and the challenges facing the West Indies in a post-COVID world. But first to explain just what it took

to get the team to England for these matches. Yeah, I think firstly, I guess we had New Zealand and South Africa due to come here in the Caribbean in July and August. And just because of the distances of which those teams would have to travel, we always knew they were likely to be severely postponed. Therefore, I think it seemed realistic to say to Tom Harrison and the ETCB, we'll be as flexible as we can be in trying to get or trying to sort of prioritize your series ahead of ours just because it seemed more likely that we would be able to get one flight to the UK

than it would be for either New Zealand or South Africa to get. all the way to the Caribbean. So, but you're right, in the very early days it seemed very ambitious. But clearly the ECB had so much riding on this summer, they had to do everything they possibly could do to try and be as creative as they could to get this series on safely. And that certainly was and continues to be our number one priority. So I think you're right to say it's great to see the team doing well, but it's also great to see that all the plans that the medical teams have put together have meant that this series

has so far gone ahead really smoothly and the players have been very, very safe. And you're in Antigua now. Do you think people there realise how grateful everyone here is? Obviously not just to try and salvage the ECB situation, but just to get some live international sport, how grateful people are that the team has come?

I don't know. I mean, I certainly think it's been a boost for the region to see the team playing cricket and playing so well and I certainly think it's been brilliant for test cricket for the world game to restart with all the eyes of the world watching what was in that first test match, and almost the perfect restart, which was a final session on the final day

with both teams having a possibility of winning. So I think for test cricket really to sort of be the format that world cricket has returned to the screens, it's been great all round, really. Yeah. So when the first approach came then, and you started talking to Tom Harrison and the ECB, did you know what this whole bio-bubble situation would be? I mean, was that sort of one of the first starting points,

or did things evolve into that? I think the first, you know, I think what was very clear was that any series would have to be behind closed doors. And I think we knew, from our discussions with ECB, that certainly British horse racing and potentially the Premier League and football were likely to go back slightly before us. So I think that definitely helped. And that we knew that the possibility of chartering a plane from the Caribbean to the UK was also a possibility. So I think, you know, reasonably quickly it became apparent that if we were going to have any chance of the series taking place, you know, the earliest was going to be early July for the first match and was

almost certainly going to be a charter flight and behind closed doors. But obviously with the improvements that have been made to the test match grounds in particular, those are Old Trafford and at the Rose Bowl, and I guess to a certain extent, Headingley and others, that now have hotel facilities on site, the ability to sort of players to become completely self-sustained and remain within the confines of a cricket ground within the UK are now possible. So it didn't seem that far-fetched from fairly early on that there could be a plan that would be medically safe and that would get UK government approval. Yeah.

What's interesting, of course, is that the Caribbean is relatively COVID-free. If you look at the numbers in other parts of the world, and including here, of course. So to actually take responsibility, if you like, in trying to encourage the players to come. How did you feel about that yourself? I think we always, you know, we've got some experience of having taken our men's and women's team to Pakistan in recent times. And I think we just relied on that process to very quickly get the players on board with the discussions so they could start to get an understanding of what might happen and that it was, you know, a possibility, albeit you're right. I mean, looking back to May and the start of May, the sort of what we were reading in the papers from a COVID-19 point of view, it did seem. at times, you know, are we really doing the right thing?

But I think as the plans developed and as the medical team's got more and more confident and that sort of ran parallel to the status of COVID-19 in the UK, which was on a daily basis getting better and better, I think when it actually came to ask the players, they'd had probably almost a month to think about it. And certainly the thing here in the Caribbean, we'd been so focused on the plans in the UK, we suddenly realized, you know, how are we going to get players from Guyana and Jamaica all the way into either Barbados or Antigua to actually get on the plane.

So it very quickly then became we had to think through our logistics, which was not just getting the players into one hub to be able to get on that transatlantic charter, but also to test all the players, get the results back and get permission of the governments for, you know, charter planes to land at international airports that were closed. So, yeah, it was a huge amount of... That really is. Yeah, that's a huge, that must have been logistically, because you are talking about a different government for every country, every island out there. I mean, that must have been a huge process as well.

Yeah, it was, and it was obviously something that we didn't really entertain until it became apparent that the UK plans were going to be safe. But again, we do get enormous support from the governments here, and I think everyone wanted this test series to restart as long as it was safe to do so. asked the governments for their permission to land the charter flights and for the players to leave. We got huge support very, very quickly from everyone, which was fantastic because any delay in any of those permissions or if we'd run into any difficulties, you know, it really would have put

the whole logistics in real jeopardy. Yeah. And the three players who declined to come, I mean, did you simply leave it at the first request and they say no and that's it? You don't any pressure on or did you know did you just try and persuade at all no we made it very clear that we weren't going to try and persuade or coerce anyone to go but what we did say to the players is they kind of let us know on the weekend before we were having a call or a final call with the ECB medical team so I just said to all three of them would they would they like just to join that call on what was then the Monday and just listen to the final plans and then come back to by Tuesday, along with the other players,

whether they were still of the opinion they didn't want to talk. All three of them actually took that opportunity up. And whilst I didn't really think they would change their minds, I think it was good that they at least made that decision with all the known facts so that they weren't going to be sitting in Trinidad or Guyana looking at what's now a test series going on with any regrets. And I certainly hope that they don't feel like that because every player had the right to make that decision,

not just based on their own opinions, but also that of their families. So, yeah, no, we've fully respected their decision and we're never going to coerce anyone to try and go. It's the last one on the bubble and everything. It was discovered that Joffar Archer had gone home and there were all these phone calls, frantically trying to make sure that everyone was still happy with the situation. Did you get any more persuading as a result of that breach or not?

No, not at all. I think we've been really impressed by the ECV medical team and they've done a fantastic job in keeping us really informed. So our medical team knew immediately what happened. The protocols had allowed or almost predicted what happens in these types of scenarios. And obviously we've experienced that

when Phil Simmons left the bubble of Manchester to go to his father-in-law's funeral, so we knew what the protocols were. We've also had selectors come in and leave and all of that has been given to us in advance by the ECB. We've agreed the protocols. we said we're happy with them and they've been adhered to. So, yeah, we had no reservations at all with the medical plans

once we knew what had happened and how the ECB were dealing with it. So you're now focusing, presumably, on the Caribbean Premier League, of course. Have you sort of nailed down precisely where it's going to be and when it's going to be and how it's going to be played? No, I think the jigsaw that we're now doing is ever-changing. So you're right. I mean, ideally, the players would come back. almost immediately go to

for those that have CPL contracts head to Trinidad for what will be a mandatory quarantine period there because the Trinidad borders are not open yet and their airport is shut so they will have to go through a quarantine there before the CPL back into isolation again for them

correct and then we're then trying to get South Africa here but you know original plans we're trying to get the South Africa tour on prior to the World T20 and If that's postponed, then we're hearing now that maybe the IPL might start earlier than the world T20, which may even curtail that, which means, you know, from a West Indies point of view, we won't have really hosted any meaningful full member cricket since India left here in August last year, which is going to prove an enormous challenge for us from a financial point of view. But, look, these plans are changing all the time and every day creates new challenges and sometimes you get positive news and sometimes you get.

get setback. So yeah, we very much hope the CPL can happen. It's a really important tournament for us. You know, ideally that was preparation for the World T20, but if that is postponed, you know, then we just hope that we've got time to host some international cricket here in the Caribbean before we have to shut down again for another, I don't know, six, six weeks, two months for the IPL. And then really because we're really now having to play our home cricket in a similar English summer window, you know, potentially we're looking at not until just, July when Australia are due to come here to get any cricket, which is, yeah, it's going to be an enormous challenge for us. Yeah, financially. I mean, that's pretty frightening, isn't it?

It is, yeah. And look, there's still so much uncertainty. And what I would say is that, you know, the lengths that the ECB and our medical team have gone through to get this test series on can't be underplayed. And therefore, to think that, you know, hosting any cricket at the moment, particularly when you're hosting multiple teams and international players, you know, is an enormous, enormous challenge to make sure that you abide by government protocols as well as obviously your own standards to ensure players are kept safe. So, you know, I think the world of cricket, you know, needs to understand that getting international cricket on safely, or even domestic cricket on safely, especially when

people are in our world, you know, travelling international borders and coming from different countries it's an enormous challenge so cricket is going to be you know it's not now this series is on we're back to every series just sort of taking place getting every single one on it's going to take real logistical and medical protocols and yeah it's going to be an enormous challenge for everyone yeah do you think this series has proved that it can be done though is it may be shown a way forward for other countries yeah certainly it has but i think you know seeing the plans and not just the plans, but the financial investment ECB have had to make. You know, it's not something that's going to be possible for everyone to do.

So, you know, and while some countries might have, you know, an economic need to drop standards in terms of quarantine requirements, testing requirements, you know, I think certainly we would want to keep very tight protocols around ensuring our players' safety. So, yeah, it's, it does provide us with a road. roadmap and a sort of a formula to get cricket back on, but for anyone to think that it's been easy for the ECB or in fact us to do so would be underplaying it massively. It's been an enormous challenge and come at enormous cost and it certainly won't be easy for everyone in the world to provide this sort of blueprint to get cricket back on. Well, Johnny, I know everyone listening would want to show their appreciation for your team coming and all the hard work.

work that's entailed. Thanks ever so much for talking to us. We'll catch up with you again soon somewhere. Pleasure. Cheers, August. That's the West Indies chief executive, Johnny Grave. You can watch a full hour of highlights on the BBC IPlayer in our Today at the Test program and video clips, also on the BBC Sport website and the app. And we're back on air at 10.15 for what could be a very exciting final day. BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts. You're a big fan of the BBC Sounds app. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

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