Test Match Special - England thrash Australia at the T20 World Cup

Episode Date: October 30, 2021

Jonathan Agnew is joined by World Cup winner Liam Plunkett and former Australian player Stuart Law to review a thumping 8 wicket win for England. We also hear from Liam Livingstone, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan and Aaron Finch.

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You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. I'm Jonathan Agnew. Welcome to Test Match Special podcast looking back on England's eight wicket victory over Australia in the T20 World Cup. You'll hear from the former Australian player Stuart Law and the England World Cup winner Liam Plunkett. In a moment, and we'll also get reaction from Liam Livingston, Owen Morgan, Chris Jordan and Aaron Finch. This is the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. So England absolutely swept Australia away. They were eight wickets, and they were chasing a very small total, 126 to win. They got there in 11.40 with 50 balls to spare, with remarkable innings from Joss Butler.

Really absolutely at his most destructive. 71 not out from 32 balls We'll get it all broken down for you shortly by Andy Zaltzman But basically hit five sixes and five fours But in terms of breaking down that innings And when he scored and so on It was incredible He and Jason Roy broke the back of that small target

66 they put on For Roy was elbow to Zampa for 22 from 20 balls Milan made eight Nick one behind off Zampa And then Johnny Baer still help finish things off With 16 not out Well it all obviously went wrong for us Australia. In their batting, they were put into bat, no real surprise there. In these evening games

in Dubai, the ball can get a bit dewy and so on. But they're put in. Warner was out in the second over for one. That was seven for one. Smith out for one. Very well caught by Wokes, who took the wicket of Warner running back and taking a catch high one handed over his head. That was off the bowling of Jordan for one. So eight for two, an alarm bell starting to ring because Australia had made a change they left out Marsh and brought in Agar

so an extra bowler and perhaps leaving that batting lighter than usual at least Maxwell 6 who was Elba W to Wokes

that was 15 for 3 in the 4th 21 for 4 when Stoyness was Elba W to Rashid for naught then a bit of a stand between Wade and Finch

the opening bats when he was still going Wade made 18 for he was caught by Roy at Longon off Livingston that was 51 for 5 in the 12th

6 down when Agar again made a useful 20 along with Finch but he was caught by Livingston of Timmer Mills for 20 that was 98 for 6 finally Finch was out caught by Bearstow off Jordan for 44 from 49 balls that was 110 for 7 Cummins came in looking rather across hit two sixes off the two balls he faced before he was dismissed and Stark made 13 Zampo was run out for So bowling-wise, it's remarkable, really, because we've talked a lot about Moe and Ali's bowling in this tournament so far. We didn't bowl a ball today. Adil Rashid opened instead and took one for 19 from his four. Chris Wokes, a lovely opening spell.

You took two for 23. He took two for three, I think, about it saying his first three over. He's got a bit of a tap at the end for four overs. Jordan, four overs, and took three for 17. Liam Livingston, interesting, his bowling options definitely coming in here now. And he's on the line. Liam, I was just praising your bowling. How are you?

Good evening, I'm very well, thank you. Good, ma'am, but you tuned in at an opportune time because I'm just saying, what useful bowling options you're providing their middle in the innings at the moment? Do you enjoying it? Yeah, it's something I've worked really hard over the last couple of years, and also coming into this tournament,

I knew that if I was a really good option, then it probably balances the team a little bit better. So it's something I've worked really hard on, and yeah, I've been doing a lot of work with Jutes and the nets, and thankfully it's coming out. pretty good at the moment and hopefully that continues yeah tell me what you're bowling exactly because there's some leg is to have some offies in there as well yeah i'm just trying to spin the ball away from the bat so to right handers try and bow leg spin to the left handers just try and be a bit

unpredictable um and yeah just try and keep the keep the ball spinning away when we know as bad as it's always a little bit more difficult i think joss might say different after the way he's crooked today but um with the ball spinning away um you always feel a little bit more in the game so yeah it's something I've worked really hard on and thankfully the rewards are coming in the games well they certainly are and you're giving them plenty of options but I mean what a performance that is today you know we've always sitting here building it up

obviously England Australia big game top two in the table whether it's been absolutely hammered yeah it's a great performance I think our bowlers have been really good throughout I think our new ball bowl bowlers have been phenomenal the whole way through the tournament and we know that power play wickets kill teams as the innings go on

and I think we've seen pretty much a master the class of T20 batting from Joss there as well. So, yeah, it's nice. It's obviously great to put in a performance like that. And hopefully we can sort of build this momentum and keep it building through the end of the group stages and hopefully into the qualifiers. Yeah.

Was it always a plan that Rashid would open the bowling today? We'd be talking a lot about Moeen, obviously, who's opened in the last two games and done very well, but didn't bowl a ball today. I mean, was that a plan? Or was that just the way that the game evolved? No, I think Moe's obviously been phenomenal. for us in the power play over the last couple of games,

but they were very right-handed heavy, so we knew that my leg spin and rash was going to be a little bit more effective than what Moe's off-spin was going to be today. So we've always got options to spin the ball away from the bat, and we've done pretty well. Mo hasn't even bowled a ball today, and he's probably been one of our best bowlers in the last two games.

So it's really nice. We've got some great options. I've seen as a bowling really well. Our top-order players are playing some really good cricket. So, yeah, long may it continue. I don't suppose Moena would be too upset with a result like that. Go on, then you mentioned Butler, but we were talking here about he just looks so focused

he's just like a sort of an assassin there's not much smiling he just wax the ball and still looks very focused on his face not much emotion there and so on but he had a big smile when he walked off but I mean to sit and watch that innings live must have been fantastic it was and I think it was pretty much

as clinical as it could have been and we know fine well he's one of the best players in the world and we've got so many world-class players in our line up that we go out and play with so much freedom because of the players that we've got to come in so but yeah like you said the way just played today was was pretty phenomenal he's he's probably one of the best if not the best hitter of a white cricket ball in the world so yeah it was a clinic today from him and yeah hopefully you can continue that form right the way

through the tournament so three games done they've all been similarish really now I'm going to ask you a question you can go back to the dressing without stupid Agnew asking those ridiculous question of all time but do do you want to be challenged I mean do you do you want to in a position where actually you are a bit under pressure and get over the line in a tight game to really prepare yourself for a semi-final. Or I just say, for good a sake, don't talk nonsense. We're just beating everything that comes at the moment. I would love every game to go like the last three have, to be honest, right the way through to the

end of the tournament. But yeah, we'll just keep taking it game by game. We're playing some really good cricket. There's a lot of confidence in the camp. And yeah, like I said, we've got a big game Monday. Hopefully we can put in another good performance there. And then we won't look too far ahead. There's There's a long way to go in the tournament, yeah. Good. Thank you, Liam. Have it for talking, because you. Look as you're all enjoying yourselves, by the way. Pleasure. Yeah, we're having some good fun. That is for sure.

Okay, good man. Well played today. Thank you, Liam. Thank you. Liam Livingston, one for 15 today. Wasn't required with the bat. Was it too stupid a question? I don't know. I mean, you just want to win, don't you? Of course you do. But just to know that you've been in a tight situation and you've come through it under pressure. I mean, does that count for much? On one hand, yes. You want to be. be challenged, you want to be taken to, you know, a position where you feel like you've got

to, okay, dig deep and find a way to win, but on with Liam, if you're, you're going to win games of cricket and you want to win a tournament, you want to win every game like that. Yes. And continue to win like that because it takes the stress out of it. You do enjoy it more. Confidence just keeps growing and growing. And I don't think England's confidence can get any higher the way they play the first three games.

But, yeah, there will be a time where they will get challenged. Yeah, and so the lower order. Yeah, who haven't had, haven't really picked a bat up. No, no, but they're still hitting balls at practice. Yeah. You know, they're still getting put through those scenarios. So by the time they get out there, it shouldn't be too difficult. Yeah.

What do you reckon that today, Liam? I mean, it's just going from strength to strength. Yeah, I think you could roll that performance up and put it in your pocket. Yeah. You'd up to put that wherever you went in the world. But what you were talking about earlier, sometimes even if you don't bat, which when I played, I didn't really bat too much because the guys are so strong, you still feed off their confidence and the performances, what they're doing.

and you practice so much you get, as a guy you're batted low down in the order, there's so much practice, so many balls get thrown at you. So you always feel like you're in decent touch, but I'll be happy with them guys going out and knocking it three, four down every single time. Yeah, oh absolutely

of course you are. But you're one of those who's expected low down the order to go out and hit sixes, right, weren't you? That was your role, which again is you've got to feel in a bit to do that. I think it comes with the practice as well. You're just going go in there and practice blocking a few balls

is can you put yourself under pressure in practice? Can you go in and have three or four balls where you try and hit the ball out of the park and maybe step out the net for five, ten minutes and go back in and do the same? So just get used to that momentum, right? I have to go from ball one. So maybe the guys are doing practice like that

as well as hitting plenty of balls and getting themselves the best chance when they do go in to clear the rope. What do they do about Mark Wood now? So getting deeper into the tournament he hasn't played and he's got this bit of an ankle issue. you and Timal Mills is doing a good job. I mean, if everyone stays fit,

what would you do with Wood? And I mean, are you looking ahead? He's the only fast bowler, really, that England are taking to Australia. I mean, genuinely quick. I mean, do you get to a stage where we make a decision about someone like that? You've got someone in rhythm

who's playing and doing a good job? I think it's a great opportunity to play the next game. He's fit. The way the guys are going, maybe someone drops out, not from bad performances, but Woody's excellent.

And he, before it started, he picked up good wickets in the warm-up game, looked really well. And that's if he's fully fit. If he can come in fully fit and perform and feel good about it, then let him play. But if you're still feeling a little bit, then give him a bit of a rest. And see how he goes further in the competition, because I guess the selectors will be thinking, keeping an eye out for the ashes coming ahead. Yes. What would you be doing with Mark? Well, I listened to Owen earlier today, and he just said, while he's got a fitness issue, they're not going to risk him.

because he is a valuable commodity for England. He's fast. He's something different. He's that X factor. I'd like to see him bowling charger where the ball doesn't bounce. He's a smaller bloke, but fast and skiddy back of a length. He'd be hard to hit there. Maybe there's an opportunity to do that later in the tournament, as Liam said.

At the moment, I wouldn't be changing my team. I'd back them to get the job done. Yeah, absolutely. Just take that rhythm on. We'll be hearing from Owen Morgan soon enough and also Aaron Finch. I just want that that does to Australia's hope. I mean, they're still there. It's still in there.

I mean, these groups, things can change pretty quickly. We think that if England win one more, then that surely should see them through. But that will have dented Australia a bit today. Yeah, it would. You know, they'd be disappointed sitting in the dressroom now. They go, right, okay, what do we need to do? How do we need to improve going forward?

I don't think they'll dwell on it too much. England will just far too good. So wipe it out of your mind. Get back to, you know, the hotel, have a thing. sit here and have a chat and then start your day again tomorrow, whether it be practice or whatever they're doing tomorrow and then come back in the next game and execute

better. That's all it was. Just execution under pressure wasn't there. England's outstanding. Just looking at the, I mean the bowling figures, they're horrible, but I suppose they're inclined to be a small target and you know, you're looking for wickets, aren't you? I mean... They all got butler, mate. Yeah, well, they did stock. Three overs for 37.

Hazelwood, two overs for 18. Cummins, one over for 14. Agar, actually, well, it didn't bowl too badly. 2.4 over he took 1 for 15 Zampa went for 12 and over at 3 overs, 1 for 37 as well but in that match scenario

you've got a small target you come out and blaze it that's going to be that. Well, Chris Jordan has been named as the man of the match just looking at his bowling figures he took 3 for 17 well, Butler didn't play too badly

you balance these things up I mean, I don't know about these man in the matches. A bit of a lottery sometimes, but he did bowl very well. That beautiful Yorker that saw off Pat Cummins. And he's been talking to Simon Dool. Park, congratulations. How did that feel out there for you? Yeah, thank you.

No, it was obviously a great bowling effort from the boys again. We were just trying to back up what we've done in the first couple of games. And again, the way we'll see and today, Rash set the tone. Really allowed us to come in and just continue that momentum. So, yeah, grateful. What are the keys for you in these types of conditions? Well, just trying to keep it as simple as possible, try and go with the rhythm of the game,

trying to assess the pitch and see what can work on the day. And today, obviously, we try to hold our length as much as possible and be nice and straight, and obviously it paid off today. And then obviously, the very boys battered day was unbelievable. Still got those yorkers in your bank, though. How hard are you working on those still? Yeah, every day. Obviously, you just try to stick to your strengths as much as possible.

possible and keep improving them while still trying to add a little bit to your game as well. One of the senior members of this bowling group, you know, how comfortable are you in this team at the moment? I don't think you're ever comfortable in international cricket, especially when there's so many players trying to obviously make the team and what's not. But every day you just try to keep working hard, keep trying to improve, and just keep trying to put in good performances for the team, let everything else take care of itself. Outstanding performance tonight, Chris. Well done. Cheers, thank you.

There we go. It's a well, bold, indeed. Chris Jordan, I'm looking at Aaron Finch, actually, taking his chair in the press conference. It's not been Australia's day because they had a false start to their national anthem. He's got a chair there. It's very wonky. And he can hardly sit up in it. So it's not really been their day to day.

Let's talk about Josh Butler's innings. I mean, it was extraordinary. I don't know how you do bowl for someone? Just someone like that. I mean, you have all these plans. and you look at videos and actually better off not looking like

you just hit anything and even like Adam Zampi even tried the wide line outside the wide line he still managed to get bat on it for two over cover and you know sometimes you'd have take your hat off

and say this guy's just having a day out and Joss has a day out more often than most but when he has a proper day out like today it's great to watch yeah unbelievable

give us an insight to bowling at him Liam I mean we talked about his sort of lack of backlift and just this incredibly strong punch has, I mean, that ball must come fly back at you a bit, doesn't it?

I mean, not surprising. The unpowers wear protective gear these days or some of them. Yeah, it is tricky because, as Stewie says, when he has a day out, he has a day out, he's hard to bowl that. If he's hitting your best ball back over your head or even your best ball getting off strike and making that look easy, it is tricky. But in practice, you

try and bowl your best ball and hopefully you might miss one or may spoon one up in the air and someone grabs it in the outfield. But that's why these guys get paid the big money, right? They're so good and they're so consistent. Supermatch winners. Go on then. Let's have a field day from Andy's

Oldswain because I feel one coming on here. Well, yes, it was one of England's biggest wins. They're certainly their biggest against Australia. In terms of games, and they've chased in T20, 50 balls left. The third most balls, England, have had left at the end of a successful chase, and three of their

biggest six wins by that measure have been in the three games. This tournament is also the most balls left when Australia have lost, having batted first. Josh Butler's extraordinary innings. from the first 11 balls he faced followed by 60 of 20 the third most runs scored by

a T20 international batsman in a 20 ball spell I've got more I think we've got an interview coming up do you want the stats now come on it's a finish off the stats in England's bowling has been superb in this tournament they were the most expensive team in terms of runs per over

in between the last World Cup and this one and also the fastest scoring batting team. But they've gone at less than six and over in this tournament. And in power plays, they've taken 10 wickets in the three power plays for just 79 runs going under four and a half and over. Batting, they've gone over eight and a half and over, scored 155 runs for just four wickets. So bowling power plays in between the two World Cups,

they basically average 50 bowling for one and a half wickets. And in this tournament, they've averaged 26 for three and a third. That, Aggers. I know you've treasured your thirds of wickets. I like my thirds. Let's hear for the captain, shall we? Simon Dool, first of all, speaking to Aaron Finch. Aaron Finch alongside me, Aaron, these ones are always tough.

Just your, I guess your thoughts on the batting innings for a start, you were out there for a long time. Yeah, I thought when we lost a few wickets in the power play, we just had to try and hang in there and give ourselves a chance to get to 150. Somewhere around there, if we try and go harder early, you could get 80. So that's what it was all about,

trying to just hang in for a bit longer, get to a total that we thought would be would be defendable if a few things went our way and if we got it really well really right with the ball how tough was it I just seemed around a little bit Chris Wilkes he's a brilliant exponent when there's some seam there early on that they all bowed well and they put us on the back foot early that's why they've been best in the world for a while it's hard to sort of chastise the bowlers too much as well when you haven't really got enough runs on the board they they go searching at times like that yeah you have to we had to bowl them out we knew

that. There's no issues there. I thought Joss Butler played a hell of an innings, put the pressure on. So it's just one of those nights where we got off to a poor start and they just kept compounding, unfortunately. They come thick and fast, so you have to put it behind you fairly quickly as well. Yeah, we've got a couple of days off to recharge now. It's important. Some guys probably deserve a little bit of rest as well. So it's okay. We'll dust ourselves off and take on Bangladesh next. All right, Aaron. Thanks for your time, mate. I'd like tonight. Time to bring Owen Morgan, the skipper of England in now. thanks for your time. How's that one feel?

Yeah, pretty good. We've also got off to a good start with the first two games that we played of this tournament. A challenge for us has always adapting to conditions away from home. I thought we did that really well in the first two games and then again today the big test against a really strong Australian side. We sort of held up pretty well

right from the beginning, holding our nerve at the ball, creating opportunities and then continuing to strive and be relentless with the lengths that we bow and the plans that we're trying to execute. So I thought the bowlers again came up trumps they're really good again today. How important for you to have all those resources because you left moan alley just sort of as a field tonight? Yeah here I think you know depending on how the wicked plays I think you have to have either one or two guys to go to I think we're very lucky in the

fact that we do have a couple of all-rounders within our side and again they managed to come up trumps again today. The batting side of things obviously when you're chasing a small total you can have little hiccups but the two openers again looking good. Yeah they look in really good form you know Jason Roy in the last game against Bangladesh, man in the match performance, and then again today, coming out with the intent, Josh Butler following suit and then kicking on from there, you know, two really imposing players, really did set up the chase and made it quite comfortable in the end. Do you need a hard one at some stage or how are you feeling about that? No, here they're all hard ones duly. We try and, what we do, we treat everybody with the same

amount of respect. It's a really tough competition and we're looking forward to continuing to challenge ourselves moving forward. We got from here to Sharja. We played two games in the space of five days. So again, another challenge within that. So, yeah, one we're looking forward to. All right, well done tonight. Congratulations. Well, played England.

There we go. At least Simon Dool asked the same question as I did, although he phrased it slightly differently, which necessarily way that I've chosen. But there we go. So, England, top of the table. They're playing Sri Lanka on Monday in Sharjah, as Owen Morgan was saying there, this pitch there looking a little bit slow, a little bit low, a little more tired.

Well, today, South Africa just got over the line against Sri Lanka. They seem to be coasting home. 112 for six in the 18th over. They're only chasing 143 to win. Then wickets fell. They need 15 off the last over to win it. And David Miller hit a couple of sixes and got them over with one ball to spare. So, in fact, England do play Sri Lanka on Monday.

And then it is South Africa. On Saturday, if they beat Sri Lanka, then one imagines every through to the semifinals. game today. That was, that was different times, but different conditions, aren't they? That pitch definitely looking more tired. Yeah, that's a good thing about this tournament. Each pitch has got its own characteristics where Sharja, low, slow,

a bit of turn. Dubai seems to be the best we get to bat on that comes, apart from Australia, comes onto the bat nicely, and we saw Josh Butler made that statement true. The game before Australia played Sri Lanka was a good pitch. Abidabie, probably

not quite as fast. Bigger boundaries. small not as big a totals but you know bigger ground to defend so you know with England playing Sri Lanka in Sharja good contests you know that this could be the game that tests England a bit further down the you know down their batting order Sri Lanka got some good spinners they got some quality pace bowls we saw today and you know that could put them under a bit more pressure yeah yeah that could be a challenging game I mean if you're going to get through that and get through the trial of spin just say they're chasing

batting last and win that that would be a philip yeah it would i mean obviously from the last world cup shrillanka put a dent in england's hopes there right so uh yeah it's going to be a tough game and as you guys said that wicked is completely different it feels like a different place entirely so uh the game yesterday was tricky to score runs tricky to get in watching the west end these guys bat and we know how well them guys strike it but yeah if england can get a win there it'll give them that uh confidence that they can play in each of the conditions out in the ua yeah and switzerland the threat, if you like. De Sanka played really well today.

We've got some hitters in there as well. But they have got that very balanced attack. Yeah, I like the little number three too, Asalanka. He comes in and gives it a whackle, left hand. He likes the pace. But their bowling attack is pretty good. Kumar again today, probably let them down. Didn't bowl well against Australia the other day.

Today, first three-overs, he looked apart, none for 17, and then last over he gets belted for two sixes in a row to lose the game which is unfortunate on the young man but you know they've still got options up their sleeve they still got tall left armour forget his name at the moment escapes me he played the first game he could come in he bowls changes of pace but he's about six foot six or six foot eight or something so he could come in for Kamara just to you know change it up a bit yeah excellent well there we all you've enjoyed enjoyed today Liam I mean just any thoughts about I mean

England, were they favourites going into this tournament? I know people talked about a year ago them going favourites, but there's no Ben Stokes, no Joff or Archer, playing on these pitches. Perhaps they weren't necessarily the absolute favourites going in. But where do you think England are now? I think the ride up there. I think it's easy to sit on the fence,

but the ride up there with Pakistan and obviously India haven't started well, but they're always going to come through. They've only played one game, and that group is a slow game. Yeah, yeah. They've got to be confident. I think when you're coming over to the UAE,

on the spinning wicket, it could be in any team's tournament, I guess, because the teams like Sri Lanka and Afghanistan can upset anyone on the big teams there with the spinners they've got and the way the wickets are turning. But England got to be happy with the way they've started, and they should back themselves to win the tournament.

They've got guys in that team who've played around the world in every single condition, so they should be happy with where they're at right now. So last thought, what's the word we associate with South Africans in World Cup? A joke. They didn't today, didn't they? they didn't they didn't they came through 15 to win they're seconded in that table now and they got him in that last over yeah and the the man on strike david mill is the one you wanted on strike and he came good so you know that's that's a step forward they can sit down and go right that's how we do it yeah you know you don't want to leave 15 off the last over every game but you know they got under position and win the game and they did it and they did it correct yeah absolutely interesting to see how they go this is the tms podcast from bbc radio 5 live well it's great to have leon plunkett and stuart law

with us today, Liam, who of course played in the last T20 World Cup final in Calcutta, five years ago. Four successive sixes in the last over. I've never seen that before. And England looked utterly crushed. As the West Indies players come rushing out onto the field, Carlos Brathaway is an instant hero. I know I had a sore neck from looking over my shirt.

shoulder in the crowd. So you're at that end, were you? No, I think I was maybe like a short third man or something like that. Yeah, it seemed obviously a long time ago now. And I think it made that squad better, though, going forward. They were a great team West Indies at that point, struggling this World Cup. But, yeah, obviously, Stokesy learned from them mistakes, and we all did, and we've moved on. Obviously, looking at the guys now, it's your back room as one of the teams of the tournament.

Yeah. What was it like afterwards? I mean, I remember, it just seemed to one of the, it just seemed to be impossible. Brathwaite did that. Four sixes. You know, people were criticised Stokes of bowling in the same place and everything in the slot and so on.

But even so, to walk out there. And the last day we've had to do that. It was pretty amazing, wasn't it? Yeah, we've seen last... It's stuff of folklore, really. Yeah, we've seen last night, it was Asif Ali, came out and just striking the ball so clean

and that's what Carlos did. Big guy, and if you give him a chance to get under it, he's going to send it into the crowd. But, yeah, it takes something to come out and do that. You practice it. the net, but to be able to do that under pressure in a World Cup final is an amazing talent to be able to do it. And afterwards, I don't know, you sit in the dressing room, don't you?

I mean, it must have been, because the game was won, and suddenly, it's lost and it's a final, and I don't know, what was it like in there? I feel for the guys who came off, everyone's disappointed and you're upset, and then the drug testers come in and try and get them guys, and they're miserable in the chairs, but, uh, no. disappointing and very disappointing it's only when you're a few days after you realize it was such a big occasion you're proud to play in it and

you might I guess some people thinking how we're going to get a chance to play in a World Cup final again and luckily enough we a lot of us did and hopefully again in this tournament the boys make it that far yeah and dealing with with anybody I mean you know Stokes on this occasion

but when I don't know come on coach how do you how do you deal with the bowler in question not simply Ben, although that was obviously pretty dramatic. But I wonder how you do try and restore confidence and, well, A, not to feel guilty to start with, that you've cost to your team the game. That was the first step, I guess. Yeah, no, the first thing you'd do, too, you'd pick your target,

and Stokes wouldn't be one you'd walk up to him and say, mate, what were you thinking? No. You'd let it die down overnight and can't readdress the next day, but there's not a lot you can say in that situation. Everyone's hurting. He didn't mean to run in a bowl, you know, slot balls to, to, Carlos Brathwaite so you've got to make sure

that okay look these things happen this is the game of cricket one thing we can do is learn and Liam said it before the boys have learnt and more word

have they learnt well they've come out and they know their roles really well the death bowling was it's always an issue in every team you've got Chris Jordan

now who loves bowling at the death has turned himself into a great death bowler Tamal Mills does a good job as well if they had Stokes in this side

with wokes at the top of the order well bowling through that middle period yeah plus his left hand Benning, it'd be an awesome, awesome thing. So they've learnt, you know, and that's what you can do. Ask them to learn.

Joffre might sneak in that team as well. Yeah, I think it might. Yeah, yeah. He's not bad. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. That was Stuart Law and Liam Plunkett. There's plenty of other podcasts to listen to on BBC Sounds as a new no-balls with Alex Hartley and Kate Cross and look out for good pace for radio with Mark Wood and Timel Mills,

featuring a special guest. yesterday, Chris Wokes. The three of us are three very different fast bowlers, you'd say, wouldn't you? Obviously you got left arm, right arm, varying different paces, different actions, different styles. Woody and I a bit more grunt, you a bit more beauty, Wokesy on and off the field. But for you, what's your kind of, when do you feel your best? What's your kind of, can you think back to a moment where you've just been, you know, walking on air as such, any of those type of moments?

Um, I feel like, edge busting, what, to be final? Yeah. that's one of the yeah I mean for me that's one of my favorite moments on a field I mean obviously beat in Australia in a World Cup semi final that's you know almost as good as it gets apart from beating them in the final but I think yeah there's moments as a fast bowler where it's hard to put your finger on why it's it feels so good I think you talk about rhythm and people explain it's like trying explain rhythm and you almost it's almost it's almost kind it's just a feel

thing isn't it purely feel on how you feel on that day and the only way of explaining is when you're in rhythm is you're not really thinking about anything, are you? It feels easy, doesn't it? Yeah, it just feels easy. It's almost like that shot with the bat that comes out at the middle of the face and you kind of don't feel it off the bat.

Same with the golf swing, like when you hit the ball and you know you've absolutely nutted it. It's the same with the timing of your bowling and your action. You kind of glide into the crease and you kind of just get that sort of easy feel at the crease. It doesn't feel like you're heavy, it doesn't feel like you're grunting it down there.

It feels like you're in control of everything you're doing. You're almost not feeling it out of the hand. It just, everything just comes out as you'd like it to. I think those moments for me have come more in red ball cricket than white ball cricket. I don't know why that is, but I think with the red ball when it's moving around, that's when I kind of get into that good rhythm. I said, for me, it stems from my run up massively. Well, that was an excerpt from Good Pace for Radio, which you can hear on this feed throughout this tournament. So every ball of every game will be live on five live sports extra and we'll have another podcast

after England's next match against Sri Lanka on Monday. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.