Test Match Special - Gayle’s Gangnam style as Windies win 2012 T20

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

With the 2026 T20 World Cup being co-hosted by India and Sri Lanka we look back at the first ICC World T20 to be held in Asia 14 years ago.The 2012 tournament took place In Sri Lanka with their team defeated in a extraordinary final by the West Indies who claimed their first title which was celebrated in iconic style.We look back at the event with Steven Finn who was the leading wicket taker for an England side who went into the competition as defending champions and TMS commentators Henry Moeran and Prakash Wakankar.

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Hello and welcome to the Test Match special podcast. This is Henry Moran from the T20 World Cup. For this special edition of the podcast, we're going to be looking back at the first T20 World Cup to be held in Asia, the fourth edition of the tournament in 2012. held in Sri Lanka. Ryan moves in and bowls to Mulling, who swipes high into the sky. This could be it for the West Indies.

The man underneath it, who takes the catch, and the West Indies have won, and it really is the most remarkable match we've witnessed here. The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. Well, this was a tournament that saw England coming into the competition as reigning champions, but their rain would be short-lived, with West Indies lifting the title. at the Primadasa Stadium against the hosts and arguably favourites

for that final Sri Lanka but what about the story of the tournament where one player who was involved in the England squad was Stephen Finn, England's leading wicket-taker with eight in the tournament and following all the action as ever test match specials Prakash Wakanh

So, Philly first of all what are your memories of a tournament that was at that point called the World T20 rather the T20 World Cup My overriding memory is or memory is the West Indies doing the Gangnam Star Dance almost every day of the trip it felt like they're ahead of their time as a T20 team

the way that they played the game and the way that they committed to playing the game so yeah that teamed with that blooming dance that I had to encounter especially when we lost to them in the second round phase of the tournament staying in the same hotel our bus was about 15 minutes behind there as we walk through the hotel lobby.

They were all doing the Gangnam Star Dance to the music as we somberly walk through to our rooms. So, yeah, that. If we go through how the tournament worked, first and foremost, it was a competition that saw four groups of three, just 27 matches compared to the 2026 edition, where 55 games take place. It's less than half as many games. and so it really was a condensed competition in those days. And you actually had to do pretty badly not to qualify for the Super 8s. So two out of the three sides in each group would go through to the Super 8 phase

when the tournament would then move into a different gear. Top two teams in the Super 8s through to the semifinals. And that's a sort of more familiar passage, if you like, from the more modern additions of the competition. So just briefly, the groups as they were back then, England, India, Afghanistan, Australia, West, Indies in Ireland, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Zimbabwe and then Pakistan, New Zealand and Bangladesh. And so, Prakos, back in those days, it really was fast and furious.

It was. It was short, sharp. And even though the group phase was meant to let the top teams go through, I think there was a lot more riding on every game because you knew if you sort of slipped up, you could, especially if you were in a group like the one that had Pakistan, New Zealand and Bangladesh. That was a group of death in that tournament. But yes, like Finney said, I remember in Sri Lanka, the whole mood, particularly around Colombo, was about the West Indies Team Hotel, all the stuff that was going on there

because there were breaks in the tournament, the restaurants they were visiting the music that was playing. And of course, Sri Lanka has given their absolutely passionate love for music. They had adopted a lot of the calypso music, and it was just a fantastic. atmosphere throughout that tournament, particularly as the Super AIDS came around. And only three venues were used as well. The Prima Dasa in Colombo, Palakali and the Mahinda Rajapaksa Stadium in

Hamban Tota, which, with a capacity of 35,000, I'm not sure how often it's used these days, but along with a major international airport. I think last I checked, had one flight per day in that part of the country. Right in the deep south, it was three venues. it was men's and women's tournaments side by side as well, Finney. I mean, it did feel like a sort of real hub and party of international cricket. Yeah, it was great, and that was my first T20 World Cup that I played it. I missed out on selection in the 2010 one as I'd just started playing for England then

and thought I might have a chance and was disappointed not to be in it. And then was selected for this 2012 one. And yeah, to have the shortest format of the game that wasn't as dynamic and powerful as it is now, played at three venues. It clearly challenged teams in different ways. There were quite a few low scores, including our defeat to India in the Super 8's phase of the tournament

was particularly bad. But yeah, I really, really enjoyed it. And my first taste of having a smaller hub where all the players were in the same hotel, you're bumping into people the whole time, but then going out there and representing England, it was great fun. Yeah, we'll go through England's tournament then.

first and foremost, before moving on to, I suppose, the crunch end of the competition. England entering the tournament, as I mentioned, as the reigning champions, but, though they started well against Afghanistan, massive victory 116 runs, Luke Wright, 99 not out, missing a century off the final ball, but then collapsing to way too all out against India, their lowest D20 total at the time. And I think it was Harbourjian Singh and Pierce Chawler, who, who, you know, he was, you know, Spunningland a web. England struggling against spin is not necessarily a new condition.

No, not necessarily, no. And, yeah, Harbourjan in particular then with the way that you got the ball to bounce in Sri Lanka, you can see that ball bouncing quite a lot. So it's particularly tricky. And the guys at that stage hadn't really been exposed to the IPL, but weren't that familiar with the players that we were playing against. Because there were some lesser-known names in that team as well that India picked in that T-20 World Cup. So yeah, we got caught on the hop in that one.

That wasn't the Super 8, sorry, that was the first. I said it was the Super 8s in my opening, but that was the first group stage, wasn't it? And was a bit of a shock and a bit of a knock to our confidence at that stage. Yeah, and you'd have to do well, as I say, not to qualify. Indeed, England did, despite that massive defeat against India. The other qualifiers for the Super 8 phase, pretty predictable, really. I think it's fair to say, given the way that the tournament works.

So we saw qualification with England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka and West Indies going into Group E. And then Group F, as it was termed, Australia, India, Pakistan and South Africa. So pretty predictable. But immediately, Brackas, you've got two Super 8 groups. They are packed full of superstars. It was a really sort of condensed, exciting phase. It certainly was. And it brought out some really good games as well.

I mean, there was some tight games. there was just a hint of, you know, I think India particularly not making it through, created a huge flutter. And I think the only thing that we could fall back on as Indians, as we typically would, is to say, but we weren't the one game that mattered. We'll beat Pakistan. And I think it was a very different world back then. We were talking almost a decade and a half back. And I think it was one of those things. I mean, India, like Finney said, did have a few new faces.

because Irfan Patan really was coming on. Zahir didn't play that game against England in spite of being who he was. Harbourgen had been in the wilderness till that tournament began. Pius Chavala was someone who was in India's current coach, Gotham Gambir, was actually vice captain of that tournament. And having won in 2007, I think the expectations were very high. But the fact is that in that tight group of four, India couldn't get past,

didn't get the two wins that they would have needed at least to be able to qualify. Just briefly, looking at some of the names on show, what amazes me is both the combination of names that are still around, bearing of mind we're 14 years on now. You look at the Afghanistan squad and Mohammed Nabi, still part of things from England's point of view. Joss Butler, part of the squad then, admittedly some names that have disappeared now from international cricket keys. Weta was England's wicketkeeper. Michael Lum had opened the batting and the success in. in 2010. A young Owen Morgan, you were there, Finney, of course. Graham Swan, Luke Wright, and again, India's side,

the names that were in it, M.S. Doni, Gautum Gambir, Ashwin, Khan, Koli, Rainer, Seawagg was there. Roet Sharma, Yuvraj, Harbijan, Australia, a side that included the likes of a young Pat Cummins, just 19 years old,

the Hussies, Mitchell Stark, David Warner. And the list goes on and then you look at that Sri Lanka side as well and for me that was just one of the absolute great teams with Jaya Wardner Matthews Chandemal Dilshan Harath Malinga Mendez both Mendez both Mendez Sangakara Tiramani I mean just wonderful names it sort of almost feels like we can be at a point now where we can sort of hark back to a golden age in some ways we did and and like every tournament I mean you mentioned the two Mendezes but Ajantha Mendez really did set that tournament a

on home pitches. And there were these remarkable sort of games where from having played the earlier editions in non-Asian conditions, this was the first time it was in playing on what is often called low, slow, turning pitches. And it just brought about that additional excitement because I think the average scores dropped,

the ball had a greater say, batters weren't just there to try and hit the ball out of the park. They had to, you know, adjust and adapt. And I think it made for a fantastic tournament. It really did. Jack Callis was part of the South Africa squad as well. I mean, there's brilliant names looking at it. Yeah, and that was the most exciting thing about it.

You're kind of there as I was, I think 22 at the time, 22, 23. And you're there, and amongst all these players that you've watched play on TV. That was my first experience of a world tournament. So, yeah, you've played against these guys for the last couple of years, but then to have everyone in one place, you kind of go down to breakfast every morning. like, that's Shack Callis, that's Saywag. You're down there, and it's, yeah, it was a bizarre feeling. And unfortunately, we didn't play that well throughout the tournament. We were kind of just clinging on all the way through, hoping that things would fall our way. And in some ways, it was a bit of a

novel experience, I suppose, because in those days, it wasn't quite the cross-pollination between T20 tournaments that meant that you were rubbing shoulders with these names on a yearly basis. Actually, more of a novelty seeing these guys. Yeah, and that's one of the benefits of the England players in around 2016, I think it was when the attitude changed towards the IPL to allow the players to go and play. I, in those years, in early 2010s, I'd always put my name in for the auction to the ECB. You'd send your forms in. You'd say, please, will you sign this?

And you'd just get an email back about three minutes later saying, no, you can't. And you'd never rubbed shoulders with those people. So when you then came up against them, one, you'd just get an email back about three minutes later saying, saying, no, you can't. against them. One, you didn't know that much about their game from having chatted to them, as you would do in the IPL. And the experience of learning off them, Josh Butler in particular, speaks loads about going to the IPL and learning so much about playing the game that's made him a better player. So it can only have been a good thing, but certainly then it was unusual to be rubbing shoulders in such close proximity to those great

players. Yeah. And that West Indies squad, by the way, you mentioned them. I mean, some of the all-time greats of T20 cricket were playing. Captained by their coach for this year's edition in 26, Darren Sammy, had Dwayne Bravo as well. Darren Bravo was there. Fidel Edwards, Chris Gale, of course, Karin Pollard, Dennis Ramden, Andre Russell, Marlon Samuels. Yeah, he was there and causing mischief.

Well, they had everything that you would want for a T20 team. They had wrist spin in Badgerie, mystery spin in Narayan, power, Gail, Bravo, Samuels, Pollard. It was a team that would survive in world tournaments now, which is not the case for most of those teams that were playing then. So very much ahead of their time. And what Darren Sammy did and what he's been able to do

across his life as a West Indian captain and now coach, administrator, is bring those guys together to feel as though that sense of togetherness and collectiveness moving towards something. something, it's something that you really felt in that tournament and that was kind of encapsulated with the way that you'd walk through the hotel lobby and there was about 20 of them dancing to Gangnam style as you walked in.

Yes, I mean, you know, what then became IPL folklore, one has to remember, actually began in that tournament, whether it was Dwayne Bravo, doing his particular steps or indeed, you know, names like Andre Russell and of course Chris Gale with all his sort of histrionics and the Rasmataz around him and the RCB. They lit up the IPL, let's be honest. And I think they earned themselves a phenomenal following. Coincidentally... You're where were you, 2012 Shrikan?

That's right, Bracche. Pure coincidence. But it's one of my favorites because I just loved the way the logo was. It's sort of modelled on the Sri Lankan or the Sinhali script, and it's one of my favorite memories. But it really was a tournament that, as I keep saying, I think brought T20 cricket to Asia in a way that it hadn't been brought before. If there was a big rent button that would just demolish the internet, I would smash that button with my forehead.

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because it's an ICC event. Everything's controlled by the ICC. So you go in and you've got a backpack with Sri Lanka 2012. And in it you've got a boot bag, a towel, a key ring, a mug for the players. Yeah, I've still got my towel at home. Have you? Have you? The year,

yeah, probably needs to be thrown away 14 years now, doesn't it? Not a bit of it. It's still in my, in my towel trunk at home. Oh dear, not a bit of it. One thing I'd forgotten about the England's squad,

by the way, Finney, no Kevin Peterson at the time, because he was in international exile after all that had happened in the series against South Africa the preceding summer. Yeah, and I think that gave Johnny Berstow his chance to come in, batting at number four.

I think he shuffled up and down the order a bit depending on the situation. But there were, were a few games where he batted at number four. And clearly Johnny went on to be a fantastic player. He was very early in his international career then. So Kevin was a big miss in a couple of those games, especially the game against Sri Lanka, which was in my mind it was a quarterfinal, but it was the last group game of the Super 8s for us. And if we won it, we would make it through to the next stage of the tournament to the semi-finals, even though we hadn't played that

well up until that point. So we went into that game first. as though it was a quarter final and didn't manage to go over the line. And he'd have helped in that situation. Yeah, well, it was a knockout. England played against the West Indies. Lost two wickets in the first over, chasing 180. Then big partnership between Morgan and Hales, but eventually falling 15 runs short. Then Stephen Finn starred three for 16 against New Zealand, six-wicket win.

And then the eventual, as it was, a knockout. So England needed to beat Sri Lanka. And then Lassif Malinga did what he tends to. to do. And Marlinga will bowl the last ball of the third over the crowd right behind Marlinga as he runs into bowl to Hales with a wide slip. And another Yorker. That should be out.

That is definitely out. Striking Hales, a tall man on the pad. And Lassit Marlinger has got three wickets in the over. And England, 18 for three. Hales, LBW, Malinga for three. And they're in some stress at the moment, England, chasing that 170. five for 31, three wickets in four balls and even though there was 50 from Sammit Patel, England,

lost by 19 runs and eliminated. Yeah, me and Jade Durnback, we were both not out at the end. I was one from three and I remember facing Malinga and it was the only real time that I faced him in InSash cricket and Yorkers, slow balls, I couldn't pick him so yeah, I was just flailing around at the end there. Yeah, and it was a fantastic occasion. I remember it well, with the noise around Malinga running in

and just that sense of event every time. You saw these superstars who were becoming real household names around the world. But in Sri Lanka, Prakash, these guys were just the absolute, you know, they were the kings of the world. Without question, but also, like you said earlier, Henry, I think the quality, if I may be bold enough to say, the quality of human beings in that Sri Lankan team, just the people like Jaywardenay, Sangha-kara,

VAS had just finished up, but, you know, seeing the emergence of Ajanta Mendez, Malinga, Slinga, Malinga, and all the other stuff. I think it was the warmth of the occasion, the warmth of the Sri Lankan people, just the environment. I think it was simpler, cleaner, less complicated to a lot, large extent, and I think it was wonderful. But in India, I know that a lot of people really understood net run rates after India fell away. Indeed, I'm going to get on to that because hosts Sri Lanka, they qualified, as did West Indies, because they won a Superover against New Zealand to qualify from Group 1.

So it was Sri Lanka and West Indies that qualified at the expense of England and New Zealand. And then in Group 2, there was a three-way tie, Australia, Pakistan and India, all with two wins. Final group match against South Africa, India needed to win by 31 runs to qualify. They, in the end, won by one run, eliminated all net run rate. So through went Australia and Pakistan. That's right. And I remember this distinctly because people say, but we won the game.

How can we not have qualified? And then people were sitting and calculating net run rates and calculators and what have you. And there was a huge sense of disappointment because the logic at that time was, he won the last game. You've got to have qualified, surely. It wasn't to be. Not a bit of it. Real shock.

I mean, it seems implausible. India wouldn't qualify for a knockout stage. Well, it does now, doesn't it? it certainly does now. And yeah, the net run rate is again something that from that tournament onwards, everyone was a lot more wary of. And that's why at this stage of the group, when we're watching England play here, you're constantly thinking, what do they need to do to improve their net run rate?

And that was probably born there. Yeah. South Africa didn't win a single game in that group. They were eliminated despite the fact of having a side captain by A.B. DeVilleas, Hashimammer was there. Duplessi, Dumani, Domeny, Callis, Morning Morkel. Dale Stain was part of that squad. It was a brilliant side, but perhaps you look at it and you think, well, the big strength was perhaps the fast bowling and not necessarily those friendlier conditions.

And so it was a side that fell away. And so we headed to the semi-finals where Sri Lanka took on Pakistan, West Indies took on Australia, and two reasonably comprehensive victories, really. Sri Lanka beating Pakistan by 16 runs, Jaya Wardner with 42, and then West Indies hammering Australia by 74 runs with Chris Gale, 75 not out, of 41. Saved it for that semi-final, didn't he? I mean, he'd sort of been by his standards a little bit below par through the tournament until that stage, and then he really came to the four in that semi-final,

just dismantled Australia's bowling. Yeah, it was a spectacular display from Chris Gale, and so I'm not sure it was a final. necessarily that you thought there's a bit of a surprise in the players that are in it. Maybe you would now with hindsight and looking at the two teams involved. But then, Finney, there were so many good players part of those sides. I mean, indeed there are today. But at that point, Sakakara, Gaya Warden, Matthews, Mendes.

It was a brilliant Sri Lanka team, a golden generation. Well, especially in their own conditions. And when you look back on it, in retrospect, the West Indies were the best T20 team in that tournament with the way that they set up and their attitude towards the game. and the way that they performed throughout the tournament. And you'd always expect a home team to go far in any tournament, just given the familiarity with the conditions. And the fact it was only played at those three grounds throughout the tournament.

The wickets maybe got a touch tired, which would have suited the skill, especially of those Sri Lankan batters. You look at some of those greats in there and their ability to play on tricky pitches. So, yeah, not all that surprising in hindsight, but, yeah, when you look at the might of India and how, England have developed over the years. They're not two teams when you look back now that you think might be there. An amazing final as well, because once we got to the Premadasa for that fight,

I remember the streets around the ground were heaving hours before the game started. And indeed, it was two games on that day because there was a women's final as well, where England were beaten by Australia, a familiar tale. Charlotte Edwards side were beaten up the final hurdle by the Australian. team who were getting that wonderful golden run of theirs through the 2010s but in the men's final Sri Lanka the home favourites up against West Indies and West Indies after 10 overs were 32 for 2

Chris Gale having managed just three runs from 16 balls waiting for Samuels to come and do his job and he did Marlon Samuel 78 or 56 including off Lassith Malinga and I'd forgotten this five sixes and a single over. Yeah, and that's the game, isn't it? That there. Marlon Samuels, for all of the power and destruction of the other players,

you always felt as though when you were playing against the West Indies that Samuels was playing the anchor role and looking to bide's time, but clearly saw an opportunity against the seam of Malinga, even though such a skillful bowler, clearly to put him under pressure, took the risk, and ultimately that sort won the game. Yeah, and so it was only 137 for six, but those 78 runs from 56 balls were absolutely prices. Halfway stage though, Prakash.

If you were Sri Lanka, you're thinking 1-38, home conditions, the sort of batting we've got. Yep, absolutely. And I think that's again, that was yet another example of runs on the board, pressure of a final. And of course, they hadn't thought that they would be beaten at their own game by that man, Sunil Nare. And the other point, I guess, Stephen, is that in those days,

players weren't quite as adept and used to, the mental calculations of a T20 run chase. Yeah, and I think players also then weren't as good at hitting sixes. So in a short chase like that, I don't know Samuels did it to Sri Lanka in the first innings, but it was unusual for someone to come and smack sixes and change the game in a final like that, whereas now a short chase, it's one innings from someone with these deep batting lineups that teams have that wins you that game. but I went, I mean, I blew my own trumpet,

but I bowled all of my overs that I could have done in the tournament and I didn't get hit for one-six in the entire tournament. So that shows the change in attitude in the game between now and then. And, yeah, Sri Lanka's players weren't able to do that and then crumbled under the pressure and expectation. I mean, if you cast your mind back or look at the scorecard, you'll see that only three Sri Lankan players got into double figures in that game in that final. and two of them were players that you would expect to,

which is Jaywarden and Sangakara, and it was only no one Kulasekara, better known for his bowling, who got into double figures. So really, I think the stranglehold by both Badri and then I think Sunil Naren probably reaped benefits of some of that was what put paid to Sri Lanka's chances of winning a home World Cup. And in the end, as you mentioned, Prakash, it ended up being the squeeze, the spin,

that did the damage with quite brilliance as we've seen time and again from Suniltern the Rhine with three for nine his figures in that final. Darren Sammy meanwhile, two for six and Sri Lanka collapsed to 101, losing by 36 runs. Yeah, it was a comprehensive win chasing something that, as you rightly said, Andrew, at the halfway stage, the Sri Lankans would have thought, okay, let's put the drinks in the freezer to get them ready. but it wasn't a beep. And Ryan moves in and bowls to Mulling, who swipes high into the sky.

This could be it for the West Indies. The man underneath it, who takes the catch. And the West Indies have won. And it really is the most remarkable match we've witnessed here. They've won by 36 runs. A match that halfway through their innings, they seem absolutely destined and nailed on to lose. But Marlon Samuels with a brilliant 78 from 56 balls and also taking wickets. helped propel West Indies to a thoroughly deserved win.

They're dancing. They're now all of their backroom staff there, the management, all those who have worked so hard. They're joining with them. I don't know what all that dancing means much of it. They do, and they've been practicing throughout this tournament, and now they can do it absolutely in the centre stage. As the fireworks go up, the crowd is absolutely stunned.

As the West Indies celebrate a well-deserved triumph in this world 2020, that is one of the most curious, unpredictable and strange 2020 matches I've ever seen. And it's worth remembering that halfway through their in Inns, the West Indies were 32 for two, and they've won the match. And I don't think many people would have given them very much in the way of Alden's at that stage. Fireworks are going all over the place, lots of smoke, and that really is a truly remarkable victory.

They won a well-deserved maiden title. And dance the night away. Yes. Well, they did indeed. And then some. I imagine you were quite glad you weren't necessarily there for that. It would have been quite a party. Well, maybe you would want to have been there.

Well, I'd have liked to play in a World Cup final. Yeah. But, yeah, there's no doubt that those guys know how to celebrate, and I'm sure they did do that night. Yeah, without naming people, yes. I can only say that I was in that hotel with a couple of friends. And towards the latter part, I think as the party sort of, started breaking up and spilling out.

Some of the players came down and it continued well into the night. It was fantastic. Just relaxed, fun, clean, fun, loads of jokes and laughter going around. But the windies were really, really up there in their form of celebration. Phenomenal. Was cricket a slightly more, I suppose, a game with slightly fewer polished edges at that point? Was there a little bit more freedom? was there less concern about sort of...

Well, social media wasn't as a bigger thing, was it? I think the big difference in, I think, the way that players have viewed and like the way that you not behave, because you don't go out to misbehave, but it's just you have your guardrails up the whole time, I think, now. And yeah, that was a time when that wasn't so prevalent. The degree of scrutiny was nowhere near, right? I mean, maybe it's got to do with just individual players,

There's individual stars, the whole marketing thing, individual agents. I don't know what it is, but clearly people could be more themselves, if you know what I mean, and not be constantly looking back over their shoulders to figure who's filming, not filming, what's coming out, what are the matches, matchups being put out. I don't remember that there being much vitriolic. I didn't think there was toxicity of any kind, really, that one can remember. No, I'd agree with that. And I think that's a huge difference.

Yeah, for a player now, with the way that social media works, you have a bad game and you're just, you're annihilated on social media. So it immediately gets your backup and I don't think that was as big a thing 14 years ago. Yeah, well, it does seem remarkable. It was quite that long ago, but indeed it was a tournament won by West Indies. Their first title, the runners-up Sri Lanka, England falling away in the Super 8 stages, India, not making it through to the semi-final, which seems a remarkable enough thing. but it was a very memorable couple of weeks. And that's all it was back there. 27 matches.

It rattled along that tournament across the three venues in Sri Lanka. One, as I say, by the West Indies. The women's competition running at the same time was won by Australia. And of course, they went on that fabulous run that followed that. It's wonderful going back down memory lane discussing those great players from that edition, some of whom still just about playing in the addition. in the addition of 2026, but it is a very different world in 2020 cricket

and cricket more generally. I think it's fair to say. Thank you very much, Prakash and Stephen. Don't forget to subscribe to the Test Match Special podcast on BBC Sounds. Just hit that subscribe button on sounds or wherever you get your podcast to make sure you never miss a thing,

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