Test Match Special - Headingley Day 1: Archer stars again as Australia lose 8 wickets in a session

Episode Date: August 22, 2019

Michael Vaughan and Sir Alastair Cook react to a day of a huge momentum swings at Headingley. Rain, bad light, David Warner and Marnus Labuschagne frustrated England until a wild last session with Jofra Archer tearing through Australia's lower order. You'll hear from Archer himself and David Warner after his best innings of the series by far. Plus, Michael Vaughan has some strong opinions on the lack of English coaches in next summer's inaugural Hundred competition.

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Download and subscribe via the BBC Sounds app. Hello to you from the Melbourne Cricket Crown. The place the Australians call the MCG. Harmeson from the far end, bowels the first ball of the series. Oh my word, it's gone straight to second slip. Gilchrist reaches his hundred, the fastest test hundred by any Australian batsman. Haunting, who's edging. And is he caught?

He's out first ball. This could be the ashes for England. He's caught it. They've won. Welcome to the TMS podcast from Headingley on the first day of the third Ashes Test. I'm Simon Mann. We've had a number of interruptions for rain and bad light.

But ultimately, England have really seized the initiative, bowling Australia out for 179 with a flurry of wickets late on. The close-of-play thoughts of Michael Vaughan and Alistair Cook to come. But first, let's hear from the man of the moment. Joffra Archer, who's taken a sixth-fur in only his second test. match. Joffre Archer, bowls full to lion. He's struck on the pad. He's given out. There's Joffre Archer swivels and turns and punches the air. It has been a wonderful bowling performance from Joffra Archer in only his second test match. England would have turned up today.

Joru won the toss, elected to bowl first. They picked up those initial two wickets, then frustration with the century partnership between Warner and Labashane. Archer comes back into the game. He's picked up six wickets in total. Joffra a hutcher, what does that mean to you? Well, firstly it means that I get to rest now. We've been in the field all day. It was a stop-start day as well and it's really annoying. You start to go out, you start to bowl well and then the rain takes you off

and then you've got to start again. So for me, I'm over the moon to... I've gone six wickets today but I'm equally happy just to get off now. 136 for two. It looked a completely different. game what changed things the ball just started swinging randomly probably from

the warner wicket the over before the warner wicket the ball just started swinging out to nowhere I guess it probably got a bit dark again a bit more overcast so from then on the ball was really good what was the chat in the dressing room when he was on off because you obviously wanted to

use the conditions today you wanted to be out there as much as possible but did it feel like they were sort of slipping away from you the conditions you know the prospect of a A decent day's weather-wise tomorrow? Yeah, well, we thought it was going to be a repeat of Lords, losing the first day. But luckily enough, we got a large portion of the game, well, of today, out of the way. So I think we shouldn't be in good stead for the rest of the four days.

What about the way you bowl today? Did you do anything different from Lords? No. I think the slope made a lot of balls a lot harder to play, you know? So we're here, so it's a bit more level. I think a lot more guys would probably get out. Yeah, it was probably a little bit border-friendly today, to be honest. At times, it did go a little bit flat, the ball stopped swinging,

but it started again, and it was okay, a good day to bowl. I mean, was that as well as you bowled? I mean, the figures would suggest it? Not the figures, really. There were a few skinny edges. There were a few threes. Obviously, there are no sweepers, so... Yeah, most...

More than take it, but I think it can be a bit more tidier in the future. How much you enjoy this test cricket like? You won a World Cup. How much you enjoying the test cricket? Yeah, it's been really good. So, as I said, for the moment, I put this badge on. It's been the best, happiest days of cricket so far. And hopefully we have a lot more to go.

How did you assess the state of the game? 179 all out. It's not a bad way to end the first day of any test match. No, it's not. but we've seen what we've done today and they've got some good boarders as well so we have to bat really really well tomorrow so it's not a repeat of the first innings.

Congratulations, Joffra Wellbold. Cheers, thank you. There we go, Joffra Archer and he just walked off the field about three or four minutes ago his reaction to his six wickets today up on the board there, 17.1 overs, three mains,

six for 45. Australia, 179 all-out. remarkable really when you consider they were 136 for two there was that partnership between warner and lavishane and it looked as though australia were bounding away mike of all alongside me what a remarkable turnaround well a remarkable session and you know i've been a captain in those situations i tell you what 135 for two joe root would have had a real panic on because these bowlers weren't bowling well enough they weren't getting the ball in the right areas warner was playing great labashane was playing great the ball was traveling to all parts of the

ground. The score card was reading too fastly in terms of the rate of the scoring and then all of a sudden that wicket of David Warner was the real key because all of a sudden England had an end to bowl out. Labishane was playing nicely and you just felt as Joffre said the ball started

just do a little bit and the Australians techniques were just flawed a little bit there was a couple of good balls Travis headball was an absolute beauty. Matthew Way was a little bit unfortunate. Tim Payne don't look in any kind of form. You know you're looking at a tail on a wicket like that. And conditions, Australia

battered with the lights on all day. You know, it was perfect day for bowling, but I've been there as a captain when you've won the toss and bowled and the opposition at 136 for two. Joe Root would be in that dress room now. Absolutely relieved with his team. Having the perfect day, you've bowled a team out, you don't have to go out and bat. You know that you arrive on

day two, you hope the sun shines, and if it does, I'm pretty sure England will get a decent first in your score. If the clouds are around tomorrow, well, the Aussie attack will certainly fancy their chances. Well, David Warner is joining us and Jeff Lemon is going to speak to him. David, you've had a few people asking about your form coming into this game but it seemed like a couple of tests was way too early to make that sort of call.

Were you confident through the time that you'd be able to make good? Yeah, I was always confident. You know, good balls getting me out. You know, that's what's going to happen in this form of the game. You know, they put the balls in the right areas and, you know, at the end of the day you got your name on one of those balls and, you know, it's happened to be. I've had three of them.

And obviously, another one today. So, yeah. Pretty hectic, day, with the rain coming on and off, it looked like you might not get much play. And then in the end, it all happened in a rush towards the end of the day, not exactly as you would have liked. Yeah, look, it's disappointing that it happened like that. But at the end of the day, you know,

they won the toss bowl, had the conditions in their favor. And, you know, you've got to put the ball in the right areas to get the rewards. And that's what they did. They were very patient. You know, I look at the top border, and we actually got good balls to get out, had two strangles as well.

But that happens in cricket and credit to the way that they bowl. Well, it seemed like there was all this talk about the bounces and the short stuff and so on. And you don't need to bowl that way, basically, when the conditions are in your favour, they were pitching up, they were moving it around. It must have been pretty horrendous that first half hour or so. Yeah, it was very challenging, as I said before. You know, you've always got one with your name on it. But if you can try and negate that good ball, you know, I've probably played a miss probably 35 times, you know, if I could count.

But that happens in this game and you've got to, you know, that's where a little bit of luck comes into it. If you hold your bat, you know, in the right areas, you know, if you nick one, you nick one. But you've got to try and work out how to survive. It's a tough game, especially with these overhead conditions. It looked like you were trying to tuck up and just play really compact and just, you know, not go for anything outside the stamps or in front of your body. Was that a focus for you? Yeah, that was a focus, yeah.

And I think when you move gully, then you know you're half a chance, you're half a chance if you squeeze one out there. And that's the beauty of this game, you know. You've got upstairs conditions. It's going to swing. It's going to seem a little bit. And if they get the right legs, it's going to be challenging. But you've got to climb into the ones that are a bit bad.

Manus, the way he's come in, replacing Steve Smith is pretty much the tallest task in the world. And he's just been sensational, though, a couple of times in a row. I think we all want about four if you keep getting 70. But look, you know, he's been exceptional. He looked at the way he came in and fought hard the other day. I think he's got a great technique. He's had a good stint over here in the county and stuff. And he knows his game well.

So he left well. He played late. And, you know, I think he's a very good player. Joffre Archer, six for today as well. You know, we've seen him just suddenly blossom in the last couple of months. Yeah, definitely. He's obviously got pace and skill, and there's a lot of talk about him with the red ball. And, you know, you look at his record, it's very, very good.

So, you know, he puts the ball in the right areas. So I look at him a bit like Dallas-Stain, you know, with the new ball and there's a swinging conditions. They use that to their favour. And when they need to ramp it up, they do. So that's world-class bowling. So, you know, England has got a great prospect there. 179, a tough first inning score

but can you find a way to fight back into it from here? Always, it's just about hitting the right areas and getting the right lengths and obviously we saw out there our field's quite fast so it's going to be hot the next couple of days probably dry at the wicket a little bit so every run's crucial

and obviously we like it under 200 if we can. No doubt you'll scrap hard, well batted today. Thanks, man. There we go. Jeff Laman speaking to David Warner. Played nice today in real tough circumstances. up with Joe Root you'd think has made a good decision at the task let's wait until both teams have batted on

this surface. When you've got a team with Cummings, Hazelwood and Pattinson in your armour, you know that if the conditions are like this tomorrow they'll fancy getting a few wickets also. But I don't think the conditions are going to be quite as gloomy. I believe the clouds may be around but there could be also some sunshine.

As we saw, when you get a partnership, suddenly the ball doesn't do as much and you can score quickly here and I just wonder whether it's a day for Jason. I think if Jason Roy had to go out of bat and the Australians had got an above-pass score, say a 300, 325, you know, the pressure would have been on but with Australia only getting 1.79,

I just wonder if it, I'll just free up Jason Roy to realise that if he can just bat for an hour or so, two hours, well, he'll chip away at that 179 very quickly. He ain't going to have just got to take away that score now and think, right, just back the whole day tomorrow. It looks like we're going to get a full day's play, back the whole day and just see where it takes. And they should manage to get 300 if they do so.

They should win the game, but don't come and think that it's all done. I'm going to have to play sensibly. There will be movement around. There'll be a little bit of seam, a bit of swing. And someone has to get in. Someone has to go on and get a big score. If someone does, well, I'm pretty sure that you're going to get a big, big lead in the first innings. You've been in Joe Root's shoes, you know, go out to the middle.

You toss the coin. What should we do? You look down. You think it's a bat first bit. You look up. It's a bowling day. And then they had that situation where they, you know, we won the toss. we're going to bowl but

they had to keep coming off the field it's sort of gnawing away at you there was one wicket that went down I think it was might have been worn as wicket where you just, the camera was on route and there was just, it wasn't so much celebration it was just sort of frustration or at least we've got one

what sort of day, talk us through his emotions today do you think? The relief that he'll have in the dressing room will be huge because he'll know as an England captain that when you're 1-0 down in an Ashes series and you're playing against an Australian side I would know Steve Smith on this kind of venue.

Ingun have to win this week. It's as simple as that. And when they're 136 for two, and the ball's travelling to all parts and every time he looks up at the scoreboard, Australia got five or ten more runs quickly and his bowlers weren't delivering. Those first spells of Ben Stokes and Chris Wokes in particular

were poor. They just couldn't get it in the right area. And it took Geoffrey Archer, a guy in his second test match, to grab the series back last week with that spell at Lords on Saturday. And he's grabbed the game here at Heddingley on his own with that spell in the last session. For Australia to have lost eight wickets in a session. You know, Andrew Sampson will tell us a stats,

but there's not many teams win test matches losing eight wickets in a session. But England have to come and back well. I mean, you know, they will have to bat with control. They'll have to try and capitalize when the ball's not swinging. And I think headily is that kind of ground where as a batting unit, you do have to go through little troughs. You have to go troughs and realize when it's swinging around.

You have to fight and you have to hold your end and you have to survive. And then they get to a stage where the ball's not swinging you feel you can score and you might have to take a few more risk when the ball's not swinging. Fascinating test and you know I'm pretty sure now with the relief that the team will find themselves in the dressing room. If Australia had been five wickets down tonight which at one stage it looked like it was going to be the case you know I'd have said that Australia would comfortably have won the game, potentially won the game but certainly won the day

you know when you bowl the team out on day one having won the toss and bowed you know whatever goes from here on in, Joe Root made the right call this morning. Did it feel like he sort of bet the house really on all that time? I mean, the lights, no, I mean the lights were on, it was gloomy. But it sort of had to work today, didn't it? Yeah, it did have to work. And at 1.36 or 2, it wasn't working. And that's why, you know, I can feel his emotions because, you know,

you saw him take that catch off James Patterson, off Geoffrey Archer, and it was almost, it wasn't a celebration. There's so much that goes inside a captain that, you know, It generally doesn't come out. That came out for me. Even though he didn't celebrate it and he was almost like he'll be in his room tonight

almost like looking in there and going oh, thankfully his Joffre Archer produced a bit of magic. What does an England captain do on an evening like this one? Well, he's going to be late back to his room. You know, I think now he's got to focus on batting. You know, his bowlers, did the bowl as well as they could today?

I don't think so, if they're honest. What went wrong there? I think some of the works and stakes, what went wrong? Well, I just think here at Headingloom, sometimes when the ball swings and seams around, it is hard to get the ball straight. I mean, there was a period, I think, after 25 o'ers, we looked at how many balls would have hit the stumps.

It was 8% of the balls. And, you know, maybe that's because of the swing and the seam. It was difficult to get the ball straight. Maybe bought a bit of wide at times as well. But, you know, it's not always easy. It's been quite a cold day, quite breezy. You know, the relief for England is that they've bought Australia out. Could they board a bit better if you're being picky?

but could they have been in a lot worse position than this? Absolutely. Australia could easily have been 210 for four with the way that Warner was playing and that was the key wicket. David Warner to, you know, Joffre Archer is in his second game and already he's creating impact on the best players and the opposing team. What he did to Steve Smith at Lord and now when David Warner was set, David Warner's set in Australia or against an England side with 80-odd-mile-an-hour bowling he gets 150 and wins them a game because of Joffar Archer and that difference.

He's brought that difference to the England's. team and now the batsmen have to they have to give the bowlers when you think we're only a few days after that Lord's test match it's now down to the batsmen to give the bowlers a day off there's no way that the bowlers can come back and bowl tomorrow come late afternoon because

the batsmen haven't showed up and played with sensibility and played with discipline England have to back the day if England are bowling again tomorrow game on if they bat the full day I'm pretty sure they'll win the game what about this pitch here at Heading Lee is it one of those services do you think that

there will always be something in it for the bowlers or do you think it could well flatten out and actually be quite nice to bat or second, third day and then perhaps later on in the game it might be a bit trickier? I think it's always got something here. You know, very rarely do you bat it head and not think

there's a ball out there if a bowler bowl is consistently well enough. You know, a lot of depend on overhead conditions. There's always the case here in Leeds, but there'll be movement there for Australia. You know, there'll certainly be a bit of swing, there'll be a bit of scene movement. They'll hope for conditions like this. if the sun shines well you know as a batsman it's an easier place to bat

it's just a discipline element that in the first innings now you're looking at 179 as a first innings for Australia forget that you've got to just break the game down into basics there's 98 overs tomorrow you know bat the full amount of overs and see where that takes you if it takes you to 260 it takes you to 28 if it takes you to 330 but individuals stick your hand up and say right it's my job my job to go out there and get myself a big hundred if I do so it'll put the team in a magnetism

position. You know, you'd expect an England side that's wandled down with a desperation of knowing that if they lose here, Australia retained the ashes. And I tweeted some at mid-afternoon. I thought, you know what, if England don't win this session now with the ball, you might as well just give Australia the little learn because I can't see how they'll win the test match if Australia 210 for three or four at the close of play in these conditions. So England have grabbed that last session. You know, it's now down to the team to realize that when you have a session like that, don't throw it away tomorrow. don't give it back to Australia by batting poorly in the first session, driving at balls that you shouldn't. It's not a ground where you want to go chasing the drive early. It's a ground where you just let the ball come, wait for that one off the pads. And if you're still there in the afternoon, when the ball's a bit older, then the drive comes available. All's well that ends well, really, today for England?

Well, a day that could have been awfully bad has ended up being the perfect day. In the dress room, 179 all out of Australia, just bat well tomorrow. Okay, Michael, Alistair Cook and Jim Maxwell are with me as well. Well, what about that, Alistair? I mentioned Michael's been in Joe Root's shoes before, and so of you as an England captain. What do you think Joe Roots' emotions will be in that dressing? Will it be relief as much as elation?

Yeah, probably. I think you actually summed up well at the beginning of the day with the fact that the pressure of what happened of winning the toss and bowling in these conditions people expect England to bowl Australia out. And at one stage, I think it was at 537 when David Warner got out, when Joffra got David Warner out. Up until that point, it was looking like not the game was slipping away,

but the opportunity England had with the way the conditions have presented them to them today, of letting a massive opportunity go. And then Joffre got David Warner with an absolute cracker. And then England piled in. They bowled really well after that. They didn't quite get it right for 15 overs. and the partnership between Warren and Lavasham was a brilliant partnership.

They're running between the wickets was outstanding. They put pressure back on the England bowlers of Chris Wokes and Ben Stokes. And they took an opportunity where England didn't quite get it right and they played really well. But then when Joffra and Stuart Broad, you know, Joffra got, has got six for, but when Brody came back as well,

he got Travis head with an absolute cracker. No one's playing that. And they built a bit of a partnership, a bowling partnership. Broad wasn't going anywhere. and Joffra will get the headlines with a brilliant six-foot, but England have dragged themselves back into a more dominant position where at some stage, at some stage, probably a 5.30, it wasn't looking great.

How well did Joffra archer bowl today? Well, what impressed me with Joffre, he didn't go for all-out pace today. It wasn't an all-out pace, but he didn't need to all that effort in, though. It doesn't actually look like it takes much effort for him to bowl at high 80s, but he bowled probably 80, 85% and concentrated on baseball. bashing out an area, trying to put the pressure on the Australians, trying to make them play on the front foot,

trying to create the neck. He didn't need to go to his bounce of warfare. He didn't need to bowl 96 miles an hour, like he did at laws on a different wicket. So I think he showed an adaptability to test cricket, where it's not all about bowling crick at all times. It's about bowling clever and good areas, and he bowled very well.

And he's been hard on himself when he said he didn't bowl well, because six for 40-odd, whatever he went for, it was an outstanding effort, especially when the pressure's on when you win the toss and bowl. Tried to put yourself in that Australian dressing room, what do you think they'll be feeling this evening?

Probably a little bit hard done by in one sense with the conditions didn't change. They knew it was going to be tough early. I think every forecast we'd had coming into there there was going to be, even at the toss, it was going to at some stage be a sunny day. That never arrived. I think they'd feel a little bit hard done by.

But probably they'll always, if only this could be now at the end of the game if only we got 2.30 in the first innings but you know not as I think David Warner summed up pretty well not many of them were paid bad shots actually they were got out today by good bowling and it probably could have been a lot worse Australia could

very easily today in being 60 for six and they weren't so they got themselves an opportunity under the 30 off of two to really seize the initiative away from England but actually England were better were good enough to fight back

Jim, Australia's worst fears realized, not necessarily the team, but Australia's supporters, do you think? Well, as Alistair said, that could have been bowled out for under 100. So I wouldn't want to be making any judgment on where this game sits until I've seen England bat. Because if it's overcast, as it was today, tomorrow, and Australia bowled straight with that attack, they could bowling them out for similar less. I'm just not too sure. We saw a few occasions today where the momentum moved. I mean, that was the most thrilling batting partnership the more it went

when Australia went from 2 for 25 to 2 for 136. And at that point you would have thought, oh, well, I'll make 250, won't they? And then they lost 8. You think about this, 8 for 43 from the moment that Warner was dismissed by an excellent delivery from Joffra Archer. What I liked about Archer today, whereas he was hostile and you're hitting batsmen occasionally at Lords but not getting wickets with the skill of a bowler that we saw today.

This is a very schoolful display of bowling. He was always threatening the batsman from the time he got Harris out early on in the day. And if he continues to bowl like that in conditions that assist, he's certainly going to be a handful. And the other two, broad and weight. with perhaps Jimmy Anderson coming back. I mean, this is a formidable attack in the right condition. So Australia actually did pretty well to get where they got

because Manus Labashane has no real reputation as a test match batsman. He's been working at it, and clearly today he showed that he's up for it, and he's going to put pressure on a few other fellas in the lineup to keep their spots if he continues to play like this. So it was an extraordinary day of test cricket. We saw the best bowling we could see at times. We saw the pressure put on the bowlers and they didn't cope with it all that well for a while

when Australia was scoring at six or seven and over. And then, as ever, a break and things all go awry for Australia. So I think given that we've lost about 35 overs today, we still had a full day's cricket. Yeah, 179 all that just before. Half past seven, Jimmy Anderson is on the outfield bowling on the far side. He just broke through the gloves of Paul Collingwood is out there as a dummy wicketkeeper and Collingwood out and chase it to the boundary.

They switched the lights off and we're just contemplating what was ultimately a dramatic opening day. It was a frustrating day for a while with the players coming on off the field. Then we had sustained play in England able to work their way through this Australian batting lineup. Alistair you played on this ground before quite a few times does it suddenly change if the sun comes out, are you conscious of that as a batsman? I think if you talk to the Yorkshire people here

about batting it, you score a lot of runs in the last session. It's a game, it's a wicket in a ground where you've got to do the donkey work up front, you've got to put the bowlers into their third and four spell. Then if the sun is out in that last session you can score very quickly we saw a lot of runs scored in that partnership quickly you know that it's a quick outfield down the hill third man you beat point by you know by a yard or so it's four so you know Australia I don't think it's going to be quite I don't think it's going to be like the

conditions we still today but there could be spells where England are going to have to dig in when the cloud is going to come over and it's going to swing and nip a little bit I don't think it's going to do as much as it did today to the next couple of days and then it's going to get hot it might it might spin on days four and five so England tomorrow is that you know as we always say that first you've got to set the game out the top three I've got to do some real donkey work here against this Australian attack and put their three seamers into their third and four spells and then you can cash in and score very quickly later on you know I thought Australia in one sense they're not many times

they got out to the big drive you can nick off here with a big drive here at Headingley but you know under 20 when you know when you're in When you're in driving, you get rewarded at Headingley. If you're not in, in that first little bit, when he's moving around, you feel it's there to drive and it's not there to drive. So that England, if you have to be aware of that in the morning, you know, with Hazelwood and Patelson, both away swing or shaped bowlers in particular, they will be hunting that outside edge of trying to make England drive.

Can they leave well that first two hours and put Australia, those three bowlers into their third and four spells, and then put pressure on line. I think England their right handers are going to have to attack line tomorrow, I think, you know, in a cool and calculated manner because it's not going to spin massive, I don't think, early on. It might spin on day four and five. So there's an opportunity for those right handers to attack lying,

almost not hit him out of the attack, but make the seamers bowl. And what did Labershane do well technically? Well, he left the ball really well. He looked compact. He didn't follow the ball when it swung. you know in that fourth fifth stump channel he left the ball he didn't curtain rail it as graham gooch called it so he um yeah it's the first time i've seen him actually um

you know out of ground play he looked really organized up for the fight that's one thing he is definitely up for the fight and jim maxill saying putting pressure in on other players in that side he when steve smith's back he's in there's absolutely no doubt about it he's playing he played brilliantly he left the ball he looked to score good running between the wickets so you know it's an unfortunate way to get out in terms of missing that full toss right at the end where he obviously just lost it. Apart from that, for 130

balls he played beautifully. Jim, plenty of Australians in our hotel. What would we be telling those Australian supporters this evening? It's a bit of a cliche, you know, the one I'm going to come on with. Wait until Australia's had a bowl. You can't judge a game of cricket until both teams

have had a bat. Never go too early. Michael Vaughn went a bit early today. I couldn't believe his pessimism about England's situation. because things can change so quickly as we saw today and I think Australia's got the ammunition there to make that occur tomorrow. But conditions, you play on the same pitch here in England

and if it's a blue sky, sunny day, lovely to bat. Cloud overhead, dark weather, bad light, it's another game. So I'll wait until tomorrow's day of play before. I'm thinking to the Australian supporters, it might be tough to win this one. At the moment, I still think it's wide open. James Patterson back in the side in place of Peter Siddling. Siddell might have bowed quite well here.

Well, he's played two tests in a row, maybe old bones creaking or whatever. Justin Lange had to give him the bad news he wasn't playing, and they feel that Pattinson's fresh and perhaps Hazelwood can do the kind of donkey work that Siddell does and gluing up an end. and so it was always going to be the policy on this tour the extraordinary thing is that

we could well go through five test matches and Mitchell Stark will not play a game and that would be amazing but this is the plan that they have brought to the way they want to try and control and win this series and not bleed too many runs and have their best attacking options

whether that's the right one not too sure you can only tell by the results I suppose, and Pattinson showed enough, I think, in the first test match to give us a feeling that he's a good strike bowl, or very close to his best. So we'll be watching him with interest tomorrow. The TMS podcast at Headingley for the third test of the ashes.

Now, the coaches for the Leeds-based 100 franchises have been announced this week. Recently retired England international Danny Hazel will lead the women's team with former Australia coach Darren Lehman in charge of the men. Five of the eight men's franchises have now named their head coaches. Four are Australian. None are English. Ishigua and Ebony Rainford Brent were joined by Michael Vaughn to discuss the fact. I honestly have no idea.

I have to say when I start hearing all the coaches, if it's about profile, if the tournament is about raising the profile in this country, the game of cricket, you know, it's going to be on the BBC great. Loads of people are going to watch it. Now, Shane Warren, I get. Absolutely massive profile. Darren Lehman, I get. You know, Gary Kirsten, I get.

I get that. Tom Moody at maybe the Oval, I get. Mahala Jaya Warden at potentially the Hampshire one, I get. But, you know, for England not to have one representation in the men's tournament as a head coach, I think it's disgraceful. And I think it's a complete lack of disrespect for English coaches that are doing so much with the I. We've won five of the last seven Ashley's series. If something's right in this country.

We're World Cup winners. So something's right in this country. yet there's not going to be one men's coach from what I hear that's come from our system. Jonathan Trotson coaching. Paul Collinwood is a coach. Chris Silverwood, Graham Thorpe. Paul Connard mentioned you can go through the list of coaches

that have kind of finished the playing days. Paul Nixon at Leicester, you know, doing a good job with not a great budget at Leicester. There's so many coaches that are out there that you think, come on, give them an opportunity. How are they going to get the experience to potentially be the next England coaches if they've not had the chance

to go and manage a team over the course of six weeks and how we're going to get our coaches to potentially the IPL or the Pakistan Super League the big bash in Australia if they're not given the opportunity this was the first time really that the ECB had a chance to go okay profile profile profile where they overseas get

but you know we're going to have three or four of our own coaches that we hope will develop into potential to the next England coaches in five or six years time I honestly think it's disgraceful that we're not going to have one men's coaching the 100 tournament. I think there's a few things going on. First of all, the negative is this,

the original narrative is this was all about marketing and driven by that rather than an agenda of improving cricket in England. And it does feed into that. The other issue we have actually got is you start to look at a potential match play list next year of English cricket. And I can imagine there will be a lot of counties

who might not necessarily want any of their coaches to be confused when they've got county cricket going on. So I do think there's a lot going on actually to try and... It's about profile. That's what I was going to say. So one, they've gone for profile. But two, also, I think there might be a challenge of... It actually gets complicated, starting to take some of those coaches out

when you actually need them to perform and make sure your county team wins. Okay. So do you understand what I'm saying? As in, I'm just saying... There's enough English coaches out there. And there's enough English coaches. That's the major issue. saying that that has to be taken into complaint and that's when you start to look at chucking

another tournament on another one starts to cause more issues underneath because it should have English for the male set up it should have male coaches that English coaches and I think we have missed a trick what I would like to see this competition used as a way to propel English cricket to another level and the only way that's going to happen is with English coaches but I think the way in which it's done and at times it's mostly been forced through controversial I think it makes it difficult sometimes to take some of those coaches out of other parts of their...

So the Manchester team has appointed Simon Kattich Glenn Chappell, Mark Chiltern, will be a part of the background team they're Lancashire's head coach and assistant coach now so they're not going to be with Lancashire for that period from what I hear. Now, all the big, big names, I completely get because it is about raising the profile of cricket in this country. Now, as any ex-England play,

that's potentially not in coaching had the phone call to say would you be interested who's got big profile as freddy flintel had the call i don't know you would know that more than the rest of us i'd like to know because if it's happened and those kind of person darren goff is there anyone that and you don't have to expose names is there anyone you know an english coach a high profile that did get the call no well that's that's what level are you michael what level is shame one no what level is it's about profile the question is would you have been interested I wouldn't say that now because I enjoy my job now being a broadcaster

but I'd like to know if Darren Goff, who's got a big profile in the UK and is showing a little bit of interest in potentially going into coaches has he been giving the phone call? You know, you can't tell me that, say Australia produced a new tournament, nine-team tournament, can you imagine the outcry if there was not one Australian coach in their own domestic tournament? It's shambolic. But unless this drives towards an hour,

that it is more about the profile, the marketing and that side of it than actually improving the overall English game because if you were taking those values right, it's about playing as many English players as possible, getting as many English coaches as possible, you'd be thinking from that perspective. When you look at the IPL, pretty much all of the coaches there are from an Australian background or you've got likes of Paddy Upton and Gary Kirsten from South Africa, but there are no Indian coaches at the IPL and it's almost as if they're are trying to follow what is it with Australian coaches follow the model what is it well that is the question it's the same in the women's game as well why have we got this

you know these Aussies are like gurus well it's the same in the women's game we tried to list the other day how many high profile England women coaches there are Dany Hayes were just retired but she hasn't been dominant you start to go through Australia Lisa Kightley

Julia Pride you could name possibly 10 high quality who have coached in men and women's cricket but in our country were miles behind and this is why it's great to see Danny Hazel named and I hope there'll be one or two more but but that there is an issue we have got an issue and this is our one chance to change it and also hebs right you mentioned India India don't have the levels and the system that we've created in this country for many many

years levels one two three and four the system in place is cost a fortune it costs a lot of money to send your coach I think you're only that one per county to go on to level four per annum and it costs a lot of money now we're spending all this money in developing our own coaches in this country and then we get the perfect platform to go and give three or four the opportunity and we don't use it

I mean it's just it's madness to not give three or four younger coaches or aspiring coaches who have got their eye on potentially being an England coach in five to ten years time that opportunity well for one I think it's a wasted opportunity and for two I'd love to know who's making the decision to say that we're not having one

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