Test Match Special - Maxwell & Carey steal the show & champagne moments from an extraordinary summer

Episode Date: September 16, 2020

Reaction from Old Trafford where England's men played their last match of the summer, as Alex Carey and Glenn Maxwell both hit centuries for Australia to clinch a thrilling 2-1 series victory in the final one day international.We hear from both batsman on their record-breaking 212-run partnership as well as England captain Eoin Morgan, who reviews his side's performances with the white ball. The TMS team also discuss their champagne moments from an unprecedented summer of cricket that never looked like happening after the coronavirus outbreak. Picture: Glenn Maxwell of Australia embraces Alex Carey of Australia after reaching his century during the 3rd Royal London One Day International Series match between England and Australia at Emirates Old Trafford (Photo by Shaun Botterill/Getty Images)

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I'm Jonathan Agnew. Welcome to the Test Match Special podcast, looking back on the final Men's International of the summer, and it was a last-over thriller. Australia, this time winning a game from nowhere to claim the series. You'll hear the assessment of Michael Vaughan and reaction from Owen Morgan, Alex Carey and Glenn Maxwell, and we'll celebrate the whole men's summer

by looking back on the champagne moments of the season with Jimmy Anderson and the Test Match Special team. You're listening to the TMS podcast. from BBC Radio 5 Live. So Australia beat England by three wickets with two balls for spare to take this series 2-1. A terrific game of cricket, with England reaching 302 for 7,

having been no runs for two wickets after the first two balls of the match. Extraordinary start. They're rescued by Johnny Berto, who made 112 for 126 balls. Sam Billings, went a very good 57. He put 114 on with Bairstow, and Wokes made 50.

not out towards the end. Starku had figures of two wickets for no runs at the start off the two balls. Finch with three for 74 is that sort of innings really. Also topsy-turvy stuff. The target 303, and before we knew it, Australia was 73 for 5, with Warner out for 24, Finch for 12, Stoinis for 12, Stoinis for 20, and Marsh for two.

It looked to be all over at that stage. It really did. And Kerry was caught on nine down at third man off Archer, but the replay quite correctly showed actually it was a no ball so he was reprieved in the end after that incredible stand of 212 the highest sixth-wicket stand

in all one-day international cricket posted by Maxwell and Kerry well Kerry fell in the same way a brilliant catch by Mark Wood at third man with he was on 106 at that stage and Maxwell have fallen just before him with 18 required

he was caught by Karunov Rashid for 108 So 18 to win and Maxwell's out, 10 to win when Kerry was out, and 10 runs needed off the last over. Well, I think the main presumption was that Morgan would bowl Tom Curran, who was bowling up that anyway, but no, he threw the ball to Adil Rashid. It was a gamble. He might have paid off. But Mitchell Stark hit the first ball he had faced,

and the first ball of that over for six, a massive blow. And that really was it. There were two balls to spare Australia won by three wickets. And that, Michael Vaughn, is what one-day cricket's all about. Yeah, I mean, we were here a few weeks ago for the test partnership, that six-wicket partnership between Butler and Chris Wokes that saw England over the line in that test match against Pakistan while we just witnessed an incredible six-wicket, one-day partnership,

full of skill, calmness, running between the wickets, a little bit of fortune, targeting that leg-side boundary at the right times. It was always hard, wasn't it, to assess what a good score was and therefore to contain a chasing side. If you've got a couple of batsmen in, and especially left and a right-hander, how you protect a 60-yard boundary is almost impossible. Yeah, I mean, I look at a few things,

and you don't want to be too critical, but I don't think Owen had a great night. You know, not using Rashid until both those players were in on around 30 or 40. Bowling Joe Root, eight overs. I know he got a couple of wickets, but that was a bit over-cooked. That's a part-time, off spinner.

Bowling, leg spinner last over. When Australia needs 10, and you've got a big side that you could have bowled. One of you see him is into the pocket of Mitchell Stark to get him hit into that big side. Then obviously Adil bowls one on a plate, just tossed one up, the googly, right into Mitchell Stark's arc. So it's hard to be too critical,

but, you know, I think what we've witnessed over the last few months in terms of drama, it's been remarkable. When you think these players have been locked up at cricket grounds and they've produced so many dramatic moments. And I think that's a big moment for Australia. You know, from where they were on Sunday, they collapse. they've lost that game and they look like they were going to lose it

going into that last over. I don't know how Justin Langer would have picked them up. I don't know what he could have said, but, you know, they deserve to win because of that partnership. You know, the start that England had, the two wickets in the first two balls.

They did incredibly well to get over 300. Johnny Birsta found his rhythm and his form. There's been so many good things, so many good things that we can talk about. But, you know, this England style, we generally don't get used to them, losing games like that were so used to and I have been for the last two years of every

time it's been a tight game England generally have won this is the first one I can remember that they've lost a real tight close I remember my coach at Yorkshire used to call them arsnippers well that's the first arsnipper that I've seen England lose for a long time how will Owen Morgan feel

about that decision at the end there I mean it's one of those things that you just do it and the spur of the moment you know what you know Rashid and see what thinking was perhaps they're the wrong and spinning away from Stark you know you could see what he was thinking, I suppose. Will they pick him? Probably not. I think he gambled on Rashid bowling.

The googly first ball. He knew that Stark was going to try and strike it, and he gambled that it was going to be one of those that he tries to strike it, and it goes in the air. And as he catch him, Stark's on his way back to the pavilion. Hindsight's wonderful. He was sat in that dresser and going, why don't I bowl a seam into the pocket, just into the inner thigh, get him hit into that big side. You know, can Mitchell Stark hit one of the England's seamers to that big side for six

from around waist height? doubtful. Can he hit spinners for six? Of course he can. We've seen him do that so many times over the year, particularly when the length was so full. I wouldn't have minded if Rashid had a bolt it shorter. At least get him pulling to that big side, but he put it. I don't think there's a plate that's been nicer to hit a six down the ground, and that was certainly one that landed right in the heart of it. Morgan rarely gets anything wrong. I must be honest, I don't think he had a great game on Sunday as a captain. I thought

England won, you know, despite of a few if he decisions, but you know, he goes with his hunch and when you make calls like that at the end, you just go with your gut feeling as a captain, his gut feeling was that he felt that Rashid was going to get wickets and he didn't. Bamboozle the tail. Yeah, he did.

Get away with six balls. And I think that's why he kept Rashid to the back end because he was waiting for that wicket. As soon as coming, he was just going to bowl Rashid and he waited and waited. That's the only thing, you know, when you've got a player like, you know, Glenn Maxwell and you've got, you know, a player like Alex Carey, he's renowned in one day cricket.

He hasn't got a century until today, but he's known as a cool, calm customer. I was surprised that they didn't bowl Rashid earlier into that partnership just to try and get them both out. And once you got in, we've seen a pitch that as soon as you got in on this kind of surface, it looked an absolute beauty,

particularly with that short-leg side that you could always target. Brilliant, Catherine Wood. That really was, isn't it? A fast bowler who's been averaging 92 miles an hour all day to come in off the third-man boundary. I mean, it's a horrible place to take a catch down there. I know from bitter experience, because it's very hard to tell perspective

and how far it's going to come, and you don't get many catches down there anyway, but that was a terrific. Brilliant, he's a great character. You know, you look around the field and you knew, I always feel there's going to be a chance. I always felt that what's going to be a ball that goes in the air, who wants it, and Mark would as soon as he saw that,

and he would have picked that up late, he just went for it. And it was great. I actually thought that was it. England had won the game. that was the moment. You always need a special moment and you always cry in the field I used to always say, as Captain Duncan Fletcher, the coach used to always shout in the direction, and someone

in the field, do something. Well, I thought that was the do something moment. You know, but it's been a great game. You know, both time, England lose the two weeks inside two balls and we're all saying, well, he can't go get bowed out for 100. Australia, what were this, 73 for five? In the 17th over, we thought,

well, I'll get balled out for 120. You'll be in your car on the way back to Lester. I'll be on my way back to Cheshire. Well, we've gone right to the wire, super over. We thought, you know, it could be a super over. It was a great game of cricket. And Maxwell, you know, I love watching Maxwell play cricket because he's a brilliant fielder.

He's an interesting bowler and he gets his ball through. But he's always been, for me, a brilliant batsman who's kind of underperformed, really, if you look at bare stats, you know, this is only his second hundred. But was it five 90s? He said he had, I mean, five times he's got to the 90s. But there's this, I mean, people might not really believe it. here in England, but in Australia there's a very strong

movement that doesn't rate him and doesn't think he should be playing. Yeah, well he's had a few issues. You know, he's had quite a lot of opportunities. That's on his second hundred. You know, I see a player. I remember when he came to Yorkshire and actually played better for Yorkshire in four-day cricket than did in Whitebock Creek because he's got

about 25 clubs in that bag. He's got too many shots. You know, I thought today what he did brilliantly is he just waited for that ball, that length ball, on and around off stump and he just knew he could target that leg-side boundary you know how did he play for the rest of just orthodox just knocked it into the gaps he played some nice drives every time they brought mid off up and they gave him a bit of width he had it

over the top of mid off so that amount of ability and that much skill you know i do think he'll have a period where it all goes right for him i said in australia last year when i was working they they kind of look for players in the middle or in test match cricket i see a player i mean i know he may struggle against the bounce of the short ball but he's so obsessed with cricket they've tried so many players in that middle that it wouldn't surprise me if he gets another chance in test match cricket eventually because of the way that he can play

and he can do everything and he creates chances in the field but in one day cricket when you think the next World Cup T-20s in India and the next 50 over World Cups in India you play spin well lower slower wickets the bouncer don't really come into play that much or if it is short you've got enough

time to get out of the way of it yeah he could be a major player for Australia whether he'll stay at number seven I think that would be a debaerge. The way that he plays, you probably think he should be pushed up to number five, but he's a massive plus for the Ausses throughout this tour.

And that's start to the game, right? So Stark comes in from the far end. First ball, Roy drove at one like he does and was caught at a backward point by Maxwell, actually. First ball of the match. Out goes Joe Root, who had a horrible innings on Sunday. I mean, it is in no form at all, is he? First ball, shuffles across, a little bit of swing,

LBW, and after two balls, naught for two. I mean, that's an extraordinary dramatic start. And Johnny Berto gets 100. I mean, he's standing at the other end watching that start up. The fine innings. Well, because of those two centuries

we've just seen, Johnny's kind of gets put to one side, that was a magnificent century. He played with great control, skill, power. He played all the same kind of shots that we saw Maxwell play, but he would probably get forgotten because of he not being in the, you know, the win.

in dressing room, you know, I look at Jason Roy and playing that shot first ball the game, you know, I think that's the kind of wicket that if England are firing and you've got Joe Root in good form, Jason Roy playing nicely, that's a 350 wicket for England. When they're playing at their best.

Especially with that bound, yeah, that's a 350 wicket for England. So England had the chance to go and get a score that Australia would have been able to get anywhere near. And he's got some stats. It's been that sort of game, isn't it? Yes, and that sort of summer it's been absolutely delight to be part of of the coverage.

Looking at the way Australia won today, they got three boundaries in the second over, and it wasn't until that 50th over that they had more than one boundary in an over. So they were getting regular boundaries and then accumulating. They needed 230 when that fifth wicket fell. It's the second most run scored

after the fall of the fifth wicket in a successful chase. It's the highest sixth wicket stand in the second annies of a one-day international. Australia's highest sixth wicket and the highest against England. England's first home loss in a bilateral series since 2015 against Australia

they've won all nine at home since then plus that World Cup and they were undefeated in 13 series everywhere 11 wins two drawn series until this defeat going back to January 2017 as the highest successful chase at Old Traffin. Australia had only won two of their last 10 series so it's a great win for them

and a wonderful way to end this strange but glorious summer. There's been so much, isn't there? Michael I mean, look back on some amazing cricket when not long ago we didn't think there'd be anything. No, I mean, you go back to that first test against the Westin as the Weston is winning. Jermain Blackwood was that great 95, I think it was,

that got them over the line. England coming back. The Irish one day is Ireland beating this brilliant one-day side, even though a lot of the major players weren't involved, but to beat England in any one-day game takes some doing. The Pakistan series here, Pakistan should have won, but England got over the line, then the T-20s,

Australia, throughout T-20s and the 50 over the collapse, and then suddenly they just scraped over the line today. It's been a fantastic, someone full of drama. Thanks to Michael Vaughn, let's get some reaction. The England captain Owen Morgan has been speaking to Alison Mitchell. Owen, how are your emotions

after that roller coaster of a match? Yeah, another great game of cricket. It's unfortunate to be on the losing side of things today, but I think a lot of positives, I think from the very first over the game, losing two wickets, being none for two. and then going on to post over 300 is quite a significant step forward. I suppose in the character and the skill level that we showed,

I thought Johnny Berstow was outstanding again. He continued his great run of form and he was well supported by Sam Billings and Chris Wokes towards the end. And I thought we were right in the game, probably a better par score. And given that Australia, I've struggled a little bit chasing. Recently we thought that we were a chance. And having started, the way we did, was extremely positive, making inroads. but Maxwell and Kerry both scoring hundreds really were outstanding.

Certainly there are times in games that you play where you were outplayed, you throw everything in opposition and it doesn't come good for you. Today was one of those. Can't fault any of the guys for the effort or skill level that they try to give. Just have to give a lot of credit to Australia, particularly those two. Both batsmen offered chances, though. Does that underline the efforts that's needed in the field

to back up the bowling? and to back up the early batting effort? Yeah, I think it is. And probably if we were right on top of our game, I think we might have taken those chances. It's always disappointing whether you don't, but it'll be something that we look back on that probably that we can improve on.

Joffre Archer looked gutted with the no-ball, with the catch that was taken by Rashid. How do you as captain deal with that on the field? Because you're constantly speaking to the bowlers? Yeah, absolutely. I think it's obviously quite a high when you take a wicket and then when that's taken away from you, you're devastated so the only way to recover from that is take some time out of the game

make sure you're breathing correctly focus on what's next at hand so you've got a bowl to a free hit and Jofford does that outstandingly well he seems to go from strength to strength amongst other cricketers in our group as well at the end you had to make a choice again about death bowling what were you weighing up as to giving that last over to Rashid yeah we needed wickets and given that it was turning we sort of gave a little bit of a license to Adil to try and turn the ball past the bat to give him a shout he was bowling at a fresh batsman but unfortunately the ball that he bowed was met with a really really good shot

so it happened sometimes I know we rewind to the start of 2019 where Adil took four wickets and like the second last over the game against West Indies to do that for us I think we needed something as significant as that today to take the win out of Australia's hands over all your reflections on the series and Adil had been spinning an absolute web with his bowling throughout. Yeah, reflection on the series are extremely positive. We haven't played anywhere near our best cricket. I think we've showed a lot of character and resilience in games that we have won,

both in the T20s and the ODIs. And I suppose all round over the summer, the strength and depth that we've showed, both to win against Ireland and to draw against Pakistan. The T20s has been brilliant. Guys have come in and taking huge opportunities like David Milan, Sam Billings, Tom Banton, and on numerous occasions, other guys have stood up. So all positive given the summer. Ben Stokes, going to find it hard to push back into this side.

Absolutely not. No, Ben is firmly penned into our side. And the whole summer experience, it's been a long time for some players in the boat, some longer than others, but do you think overall it's been a success? Could it be repeated if it had to be next year? I think it's been a huge success. I think at the forefront of everybody's thinking before we bowed the ball, was everybody's well-being.

That has continued. Guys have come and gone out of the bubble and selected for certain series and others even had an instance where Joss was selected in the T20s and then stepped away to go and see his family to take some time. But I think the way that Tom Harrison

and Ashley Giles have led things from the ECB's perspective has been outstanding. I think if there was another summer of a biosecure bubble, we'd probably have to look at either guys spending more time outside of it or family's been

allowed to come in. That's Owen Morgan with Alison Mitchell, who also spoke to the man of the series and man of the match, Glenn Maxwell. Glenn, player of the match and series. How much did you enjoy that partnership? Yeah, certainly enjoyed it a lot. We've been with Alex a fair bit, especially in Australia and to have a good

partnership overseas in a time when we were probably needed. The last two batters out there, it was a lot of fun. We kept each other pretty calm out there and just tried to take as deep as possible and then hopefully we got over the end. It's from 73 for 5, What were you feeling and thinking when you went out to the middle?

Well, it can't get much worse. It didn't really matter if I suppose I got out defending. That wasn't going to help us. So I just tried to play my shots. If I was able to get into the innings and get some momentum, I knew that I could ride with that and put a bit of pressure on their bowlers and hopefully put some pressure on to bowl some bad balls and try and capitalising that as much as I could.

Plus with a short boundary there, try and make the most of that. I was going to say to help with a short boundary. Was it a definite plan to try and target the spin to that area in particular? Not really. I think it was any bowler that was able to give us length that we felt like we could get under. Unfortunately, Alex, they kept on bowling quite wide to him when he was at that end.

To me, they bowled relatively straight, so I was able to capitalize on a little bit more and Alex probably had to run a little bit more. So the way we sort of tempoed our in together, just worked beautifully. You've been out in the 90s, or five times. Did it feel particularly satisfying? I mean, match situation, yes,

but to clock up your second ODI 100. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. And to be honest, I wasn't really thinking about how much out there. I just knew that myself and Alex had to take it as deep as possible. And even when I was in 95 and I hit that six, I still knew that we had a fair bit of work to do. I think we still needed about 35 at that stage. So I was pretty focused on making sure I was there for those few.

Is you taking a break from the game a while ago, some burnouts. Scoring 100 like this, we're able to really feel the joy of playing cricket again? Yeah, it was pretty awesome. I think batting with my good friend Alex really helped as well. and just to be in that contest and be really calm and relaxed is I suppose when I'm playing at my best and I suppose a year ago I probably wasn't quite feeling that mentally fresh but to be mentally fresh, mentally ready for this physically fresh

having six months at home in lockdown it's just really nice to come out here and be able to showcase your skills. Glenn Maxwell with Alison and she also spoke with the other Australian century maker Alex Carey. Alex, congratulations. How did you and Maxi help each other through that partnership? Yeah, I suppose batting with Maxi, you know, the run rate's probably going to be in check and he scores really freely.

So we're very calm out in the middle. We're obviously in a really sticky situation going five down. And we just said no rush, you know, no pressure on balls that we need to keep scoring off. And, you know, we just ate away at the target. And, you know, I guess if we're picking it apart, it's a pity we didn't finish it ourselves. and lucky that Starkey got us over the line. Yeah, how were the emotions after you were both dismissed having to then watch from the balcony?

Yeah, yeah, I was pretty nervous, obviously. I was pretty disappointed. But to see Starkey and Pat Cummins finish off at the end there is really relieving. But full credit to Max, he kept us in check and probably took the pressure off myself, scoring the other end and just getting back on strike. He winning from the position that you were in

is such a contrast to the other night when the match ended on the other foot. How different is the dressing room right now? Yeah, yeah, lots of smiles. It's been a great tour. It's been great to play cricket again. And we're really thankful for the ECB to get us over here and the work that they've done to get games of cricket on.

So we were just really excited to play lots of games. And then to beat England, obviously, they're World Cup champions. We'll take a lot of confidence moving forward from this group. We had some new faces from last series and the World Cup 12 months ago. So I'm really proud of the guys. It was great to bounce back from a pretty low night that we had the other night. and we reflected and we moved on quickly and to be in that position, you know, a similar position

to come out at the other end is full credit to Maxi. And how have you found this bubble experience? Do you feel it's something that is sustainable for cricket however long it needs to be in place for? Yeah, I think if it brings smiles to face as people at home and watching TV, then we're willing to play and we love playing the game. And like I said, we're really thankful for the opportunity we got.

The biosecurity bubble that we've been in has been unbelievable. And it's not a lot different to many tours that we've done. do go on. So, yeah, the guys are full of smiles. We'll go our separate ways tomorrow. But, yeah, I look forward to, you know, the next time we hopefully come over here and the summer of cricket in Australia. That's Alex Carey speaking with Alison Mitchell. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. We are going to talk about the champagne moments of this summer. It's the last game of the men's summer, of course. Four touring sides have been playing

six tests, six T-20s, six one-day internationals, all of them, of course, just at these two grounds here at Embrates-Oltraford and also down at the Jius Bowl. Now, Jim is staying because, of course, he played in a lot of those games and he's watched the others with us, and we'll have other members of our team dropping in as well. Let's start with Alison Mitchell, shall we? Your moment, Ali came right at the start of the summer, didn't it?

Hi, Jim, sorry, I'm going for a moment or a performance by the opposition, so I know lots of other people are going to be coming in with England moments, But yeah, I'm going to take you right back to the first day of international bio bubble cricket. And the West Indies had come over. There's sort of been two backdrops, hasn't there, to this whole summer? One has been COVID. The other has been the movement around racial equality. And we'd already seen at the start of the day's play, both teams take the knee and the West Indies raising the fist as well in symbolic fashion.

Then Jason Holder, who'd spoken so eloquently about the movement for racial equality and the buildup to the match, She then came roaring out and took a career best six for 42. And I just felt that the significance of that performance, it felt like a very powerful performance by a leader of men who had spoken so eloquently all against the backdrop of what was going on in society at the time. So that is my sort of performance and the, I guess, the feel, the societal backdrop behind it. It was an interesting game of cricket, wasn't it, actually? The whole thing.

Yeah, absolutely. yeah exactly let's listen to it anyway we've got the last moment haven't we Campbell works into the leg side courses captain through and there they are West Indies are home they've won by four wickets and there's a touch of the elbows there between Stokes and Campbell and the West Indies deserve that they've hauled themselves to their total there's no high fives or shaking of hands they're touching elbows out there at the end of a very hard

fought game and West Indies go one nil up with two more to play interesting team selection as well of course because that was where well it was put out there that this was going to be England's first choice attack no Stuart broad in it and he wasn't very happy

and he's a good mate of yours because he went out publicly didn't he and expressed his disappointment at all of that was a brave thing to do yeah I mean to be honest I think someone like Stuart the way that his personality is,

he sort of thrives on things like that, you know, the sort of, you know, whenever he's been sort of written off in the media or he has been dropped, he always seems to bounce back with real strength. And to be honest, the last couple of years for England, I think he's been our best bowler. He's been consistent, man of the series in many series.

He had the woolover, David Warner, the Ashes. I bowed brilliantly in South Africa, led the attack brilliantly. And again, this summer, obviously missed that first test, but then off the back of that was just phenomenal.

It's interesting, is it? Because you can sort of see it from the management's selectorial point of view. They've got to look around and look at people for when you and Stuart finish, whenever that may be. But it's just so difficult. I thought they got it horribly wrong

for the first test of the season, and this strange summer anyway. I mean, Stuart Broad is, as he showed, he's a first choice pick but there must be there is this in the background you can imagine the selectors thinking if we don't give other people a game

how are we going to know who can possibly come in and replace these two yeah but to be honest aggers I don't remember that ever happening when I started playing I didn't get given a cap because someone was getting on a bit so I think we want to win games of cricket as a test team if you're going to improve you need to

learn how to win games you need to get momentum And I think you pick your best team. And there will be times where we miss out because if we do play in Sri Lanka and India, then it might be a case where two scene bowlers play and myself and Stuart wouldn't be the right pick for those pitchers. So, you know, pick your best team.

Absolutely. Why wouldn't you? And I think, again, there were times this summer where, you know, I was rested for the second game because I hadn't played much cricket just to give the body time to recover. and there'll be times where we'll get injured or in need of arrest or whatever

but I think until that happens you pick your best team. Yeah. Well he certainly bounced back didn't he because during the morning session on the final day of the third test against the West Indies here when Broad reached his 500 wicket landmark. Broad is in

to Brathwaite. Brathwaite is stuck on the pad, big appeal, Robbin is giving in! That is Broad's 500th wicket in 10. Test cricket, and I think Brathwaite is walking off. He was absolutely plumb. It went low, it struck him on the pad, bang in front,

and Broad has made the breakthrough. You said it, Carlos, it's the time for Broad to wreak havoc. Well, he's done it, and he's also got to that milestone. It's 500th wicket in test cricket. Yeah, special, isn't it? And, okay, no one here, and we, of course, we'll hear of yours in a moment, too. But, I mean, does it make a difference? or would you just get there and you enjoy the moment?

Yeah, of course it makes a difference. I mean, for all of us that play international cricket, to be out there in front of a crowd, that's why we play. We're trying to entertain people. And, you know, the atmosphere that that creates as well when people are enjoying watching. You just, you know, it's such,

it's an amazing feeling to be a part of. But at the same time, yes, he'll be delighted just to get to that 500 mark. I was delighted that I was out there to share it with him. And unusually for him, his dad was in the ground as well, which I think was actually quite a nice moment. Yeah, it is. It's interesting because I've obviously had a big interest in Stuart Broad's career,

because I do know his family well, clearly. And they're like most young quick bowlers, should we say. I thought there was a period, they didn't quite know what he was, whether he was going to be a fast bowler around in. And he obviously tall and everything else. can bowl a quick ball, clearly. People are always on the lookout for pace, aren't they? They want that.

But actually then, do you sort of remember when it was, where he actually rather craftily did decide to sort of rain in? I remember that spell at Durham to bowl Australia out, for instance. He bowled quickly then, properly fast. But generally, much of his career has been this clever, hitting the scene, foolish sort of length. Yeah, I think, to be honest, every bowl has been through that, that plays cricket.

You're trying to find what you are, you know, trying to find out what, best suits you and yeah there was there were periods where you know there's a lot of talk about how joffa archer has managed at the minute and to be honest he's still young in his international career he's still finding himself what sort of bowler he is so it's not all down to the captain and people behind the scenes you know Stuart was used in a way by by various captains where he was called the enforcer for a bit which you know it's an awful awful title to get as a bowler but you know he uses a, he bowed bounces and tried to rough the opposition up, whereas he's always been able to swing the ball, he's been skillful when he pitched it up, and he can bowl quick. And I think

as he's got older and more confident, he now knows what suits him best. There are times where he wants to bowl bounces and such in if the situation of the game allows. But I think essentially he's, you know, he looks so dangerous. Every ball this summer I felt could be a wicket the way he's bold and the movement that he gets. Does the Enforcer tag? Is that a media word? Or is it a word that's come, you know, you're our enforcer today?

Is it a team word? It's certainly something that doesn't get used in the dressing room. I've never heard it used within a team. Yeah, it's definitely a media word, I think. And yeah, it's just not, I don't think anyone likes it. No. Certainly the players don't like being called that.

But yeah, as I said, I think he, importantly as a bowler not just for Stuart but everyone you know I went through that I was a quick bowler when I started and then sort of developed my skills as I got a little bit older and I think you do need that in international cricket you do need a little bit more than just being out and out quick because there will be times you'll come against an opposition who like the pace on the ball you'll you'll face conditions where you actually the quicker you bowl the easier it is to bat on you know on some surfaces so you need to be able to be be a little bit cleverer than just being an out-and-out-out-quick and I think that's something that you just have to develop with experience and the more you play. Well, that happened during the third game at West Indies, which England won to win the series. When he lost the first test, we worried?

Not worried, I think. To be honest, we knew we didn't play anywhere near as well as we could. So I feel like we just use that as positive to try and work on those things that we needed to

and yeah disappointed definitely but not worried I don't think yeah okay well we clearly enjoyed Carlos Brathwaite's company and he was did you know Carlos very well I don't know oh he was lovely

he was terrific he really was and he really got into test match special he did he got it you know it it was brilliant and so we are going to play because not all the champagne moments have been actually on the field Many of you have asked for this when we let, well, Carlos Brathwaite loose on the shipping forecast. Drum roll.

Viking. Law Shannon 996, expected 40s 987 by midnight tonight. South 5 becoming psychonic. Then west 6 to Gale 8, perhaps severe Gale 9 later. Slight 0334 on Monday, 27 July, 22. Gale Force 8, backing northerly imminent, northerly 5 to 7, increasing Gail 8 at times,

but becoming variable 4 in rest. Moderate or rough. Rain, moderate or good. Yay! Sweating. Brilliantly done. I mean, what a voice. What a voice.

Lovely that. And a bigger chair than when Stuart got his five. Well, it was. Yeah, yeah, I'll see you right. Oh, dear old Carlos, we did enjoy his company enormously, and I know the listeners did as well. Now, Charlie Dagnall's here. He's popping up with his favourite moment. Yeah, do you know what?

It's actually not one necessarily from an England perspective, but actually one of the games of the summer was the third one-day international, when, obviously, after the test-match series against the West Indies, when Ireland were playing at the Aegeas Bowl. And I have to admit, when we were... When we were there, we'd seen the first one-day international Ireland rolled for 170, the second one-day international, they were rolled for 2.10.

And we're, honestly, this is a sixth day of the bubble, and we're thinking, well, come on, we can be on the motorway here by around about half-seven if England'd have a good day. And they got 3.20 odd. And, you know, 100 for Owen, Morgan, 50 for Tom Benton. And we thought, right, well, you know, roll them out of England, and away we go. What we saw was just a stunning knock from Paul Sterling,

who couldn't play David Willie in the first two games. and Andy Balburney as well who got out to James Vince's medium paces in the second one day international partnership that got them over the line. It was a really fantastic time for Ireland cricket. Well it was a terrific run

chase. A familiar foe was there in the end. All he has to do is get it bat to ball and squirt the ball out somewhere. If he gets it past the fielders it's going to be four runs or at the worst two. Ireland, to win this

in Southampton, Kevin O'Brien. He's hit the ball and he's got the run and Ireland have done it. Why do you believe it? It's Kevin O'Brien, the hero of Bangalore 2011. He's the hero again in Southampton

in 2020. I can barely talk. They've done it again. They've beaten England on English soil. The world champions are beaten on another famous day in Irish cricket history. He enjoyed that, isn't he?

Fair play. Michael Bagnar, our friend from Ireland, commentating there. 2011 still has it from me, if I'm honest, Jimmy, because that was this really extraordinary night in Bangalore. But it just one day cricket. You know, anyway, anyone can win. Yeah, yeah, it's, I've got not so fond memories of 2011.

But it was an incredible day, there, wasn't it? Yeah. It just was. I mean, okay, lots of thrilling for those. involved at watching. It's an amazing game of cricket. I can imagine, yeah. Not when I'm bowling the ball that gets smacked for six.

But yeah, I thought Ireland did really well there. You know, as Charles said, everyone in the ground was thinking, you know, we could be on the road here and get things wrapped up pretty early. And obviously they've got a huge having played against Ireland quite a bit,

they've got a huge amount of passion and a lot of character as well in that team. and you can never write them off and you can never take them lightly either so Pakistan then Jimmy the pace attack I remember really being so excited about watching

these young fast bowlers and so on how did you all sort of approach that series and just Pakistan in general how much you know about them clearly I think England had a bit of advantage they've been playing some test matches first that clearly must have helped a bit

Yeah, I think it did. You know, we had a few days off in between West Indies and the Pakistan series. But to have been playing and coming there, it sort of, yeah, it felt we did have a slight advantage. Going on Pakistan and their team, we, you know, when we discussed them, you go through their baton line up and they've got some real quality in there. Barbara Razam in particular, as a rally we've all played against before and he's scored hundreds against us. and Asad Chafiq as well in the middle order

didn't have his best series but a very dangerous player so we knew that we couldn't take them lightly and they did really give us a good room for our money Yeah are you excited about looking at seeing young fast bowlers like that for the first time we've seen live I suspect Yeah I mean It's interesting because obviously I do like seeing young fast bowlers coming onto the scene

and I'd rather they didn't come onto the scene against us and start bowling well against us. So, yeah, it was, I mean, I've seen a bit of Natim Shah before, swimming in Australia when he burst onto the scene there, and it was really impressed. And I think in this series, what was impressive about them was they're not just out and out quick. They do, they have really good control, and they can move the ball,

and they caused us real problems, and, you know, we had to dig really deep to beat them. Yeah. Well, so many people nominated. this, I must say this is an incredible performance by Butler and Wokes and just before we play that clip

I mean Josh Butler was under quite a lot of pressure hasn't he and has been for the wicket-keeping but didn't he take his chance with the bat during this summer just to remind people of the force that he is? Yeah he really did and that game in particular

I think it suited him down to the ground because you know when I think about Josh Butler I think about how in one day cricket he loves to chase and I think he plays the situation really well so in a tough situation when we're chasing down the runs and we're in a tricky position

I think we're five down or six down even we're 117 for 5 yeah so in a chasing 277 yeah I just think the way he played that situation together with Chris Waltz they used their one day experience in that knock I'm sure if you ask them about it they would say they called upon that experience

of being in the same situation in one day cricket. And I think that helped Joss and that showed again when he rolled on that form, rolled on into the next couple of games. So 277 to win 117 for 5. That was when Ollie Pope got that ball. It was a brutal

thing, isn't it? Cauts it shot off a length. Absolutely unplayable. And it looked to be all over. I just thought that Pakistan would run through the lower order. But 75 from Joss Butler and a brilliant performance from And Chris Wokes, 84 not out, led England home.

England need four. It's a little edge, something from somewhere. Shahina Fridi runs in Bowles to Wokes, who's on 80. And to catch it, they shout, it's gone for four. It is an edge. It's flown through third man, in the air. There's no third slit. And England have won by three wickets.

And it's one of those days, one of those games in which statistics matter to an extent, but the manner in which they've won this game on a very, very awkward surface indeed It's truly remarkable. So often does the quiet man, Chris Wokes. Yeah, but so often stands up and puts in a performance. He was fantastic with the ball

throughout the summer. And now he's, yeah, today again with the bat, he just keeps getting better and better as a batsman. I think everyone knew the quality he had with the bat. But obviously now,

and coming in at number seven, which again, people saying he's out a little bit high for him, I think he's showing he's got the quality to be able to bat there and yeah I'm just really pleased for me as well one of the real nice guys in world

cricket yeah and do you also work together when you're the bowlers you all doing the same sort of technical things together with the ball are you all sort of pooling idea and do you all go out and try these things together yeah we all

I think the communication is brilliant and it's also crucial on and off the field so in practice We bowling the nets together a lot, discuss what we're trying to do and any new things we're trying, also technique as well talking about that. So that once, you know, if someone's struggling in the middle, then if we've got a bit of an idea of their sort of keys to their technique, then we can sort of give them a nudge on that on the field

if they do seem to be struggling. So I think it's absolutely crucial that you have that good communication. Now, to the G.S. Bowl, then, I must admit, I think the two games there are both affected by the weather. It's pretty challenging, I think, for everybody, those two back-to-back test matches there, the bubble and everything else. But we did have some magical moments. One, of course, involved Jimmy that we'll talk about in a second. But the other was a brilliant batting display from young Zach Crawley. Where is he going to get his 200? Shire runs in Bowles short. He's gone through third man.

It's an edge. It's a streaky one. that Zach Crawley won't care. He's 201 not out. The third youngest Englishman ever to score a double century. The last one was David Gower, 41 years ago. It's his eighth test match and he's raising his badge,

got his helmet off. What a shame as not 20,000 people here applauding his innings because it's been a really beautiful knock from a very promising young player indeed. There's only 22. 267 he made. from 392 balls.

And you can just see somebody to stamp his name onto test cricket, can't it, at such a young age. Yeah, I think Zach's definitely one of the most impressive young guys that I've seen come into an England team for like, well, 10, 50. Yeah, he's just, the moment he came into the squad,

you could just see he's got a real sort of calmness about him. He's got a willingness to learn. Soaks things up as well. And he's got a... He's obviously a quality batsman. But a brilliant all-round game. I mean, he smashes it in T20 cricket. Yeah, absolutely.

He's carried that form on for Kent in the blast recently. Yeah, so he's definitely one... I wouldn't just pigeonhole him as a test player. He can certainly go on and play whiteball cricket for England as well. But he's just, yeah, someone who... He's a real popular guy in the dress room as well. Guys love him. So everyone was delighted for him in that particular guy.

It was a fantastic knock. It was. And Josh Butler, 152. They put 359 on together. And while the weather came sweeping in, didn't it, towards the end? We thought it weren't going to get any play at all. And suddenly, this little session just opened up from nowhere. I think most people thought it wasn't going to, there would be no more play in that game at all.

But Jimmy didn't take too long to reach his milestone. Anderson, moves in, bells the right-handed as her. He's caught. He's caught. Got it slip and Jimmy Anderson becomes the first fast bowler in the history of the game to take 600 wickets. He's done it. He could easily have done it earlier.

So many catches were dropped off him but Joe Root was not going to drop that. And he's showing the ball around, well, to nobody. But he's got a big smile at his face. That's better. Sweeps back his hair and he's got there. He's done it. 600 wickets I'm glad I was on

I've seen most of those 600 and that was great because it did I mean it was like that session was made for you everything just seemed to be you know the word was well we know play today it's all finished there's a bit of a draw

and it's like even getting the cars and go at home but suddenly this opportunity opened up for you well the night before the rain was absolutely torrential and we just all the players didn't expect to bowl the ball the ball and then the morning after I think you were texting Broadway as well

before the game started no point going across to the dressing room we're not playing so it was a bit doom and gloom and we just thought yeah we're not going to get any game any playing but yeah thankfully we stuck around there was a slim chance as well

of us winning the game if we had a mad sort of session which can happen but just the pitch was pretty placid by that point but yeah I was happy that we got that play in because been stuck on

I mean it's not the worst no it's not the worst do you but I wonder what really if you've been dangling all winter on 599 yeah I think the fact

that we don't know when the next cricket's going to be for definite yet that was that was the the tough point but yeah nice to get it and obviously

a frustrating few days as catchers go wow but you've got an email Sam Bendell my top moment was the chaos of a Stuart Broad drop catch

and then the runout Butler trying his best not to laugh I don't know how much you've seen of it because we get the close-ups on here of faces of the fielders and there's you quietly combusting as each catch went down and you could see the fielders in the end they must have been dreading the ball

coming to them well I remember I have seen a clip of Josh Butler with his glove over his face trying to stop himself laughing and looking around see if seeing if it's okay to laugh if anyone else is laughing

but yeah I mean Brody he'd love to have caught that and I mean the fact that it hit him on his forearm as well he was a horrible effort and he wasn't even aimed at the stumps when he threw it in anger and managed to take middle stump out of the ground

but I can laugh about it now how did you celebrate that night what did you do four hour drive home to Manchester well so you celebrated the bosom of your family how it should be well it was great and it just seemed So it's just tailor-made for that to happen.

Almost there, we've got our last one. Well, it only happened on Sunday. Australia's collapse in the second one-day international. Balls he bowled him. Straight through the gap of Glen Maxwell. The celebration starts within the England camp. It's almost a carbon copy of the delivery that he did to remove Aaron Finch. Curran around the wicket to Cummins.

And he bowls him. Sam Curran does the job, stumps everywhere. Australia lose their seventh week. with the score on 166. Cummins has gone for 11. If they throw it up there, we'll see if he swings. Curran to Stark. It's gone! Sam Curran's on a hat-trick.

Mitchell Stark's out first fall. Australia, one six for eight. The collapse continues. Big shot coming up, you think. In comes Curran Bolstwin. And he's chipped in the air. Up towards Archer, who'll come and take the catch from mid off. And there's the ninth wicket.

As well, he had to do something, Zamper. Is she? Three balls remaining and is over. Bowls down the pitch and stumps by Miles and that's it for England. Kerry had to try something and it didn't come off and it was the Gugley again from Adil Rashid and Joss Butler whips the bales off in a flash. The game that they had no right to win.

Great finish. You'll see how Australia are going to pick themselves up after that because they're out there in the middle. Let's want us read a quick email from Craig Clarkson who says thanks to everything this summer make the strangest of years a little more normal from the silent sunny days in April in May when you ran memorable games all the way

through to the exciting series of series in both red and white ball formats which have provided familiar voices and assured the essential rhythm of summer remained. You've been with me in my home office on my government allocated daily walks on the allotment and in the car as I traversed the Pennines when

finally allowed to visit my parents again. When there was no test cricket day, Tail Enders was a great listen on the podcast as the Bob Willis T20 Blast got going. A bit of commentary of the counties has been fun too. You've certainly made my lockdown summer of 2020 feel like I'm still amongst

friends. Thank you, Craig, lovely, and it's great to have you listening along with everybody else. Your favourite moment, Jimmy? My favourite moment, champagne moment, this summer, not actually test match or cricket related. It was the score along

that Tail Enders did when BBC and Sky got together and put on that memorable test match heading the test match yeah so a huge thank you to Adam Mountford and Sky for doing that and everyone else who took part in that score along because

really at a low point when we were you know we didn't know what was going on with the world it was nice to get everyone together well there's so many memories from a strange but exciting summer huge thanks to Jimmy Anderson for being with us for that look back you can

watch highlights of this game and the other games of summer at your leisure on the BBC sport website and the BBC I player. We've still got plenty of live cricket though, including the women's T20s against West Indies, the T20 blast the Rachel Hayho Flint trophy, the Bob Willis trophy finals

and the last month of the IPL. But thanks for listening to the men's internationals and for following this podcast and look out for more podcasts on this stream soon. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.