Test Match Special - No Balls – Owls, snails and the first ODI of the summer

Episode Date: May 24, 2024

Kate’s played her first international of the summer against Pakistan, and she gives us behind-the-scenes insight following England’s unspectacular win at Derby.Alex has news of her broken down car, while owls, snails and Pitbull all make an appearance.And there’s loads of listener emails to answer as well.

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I think it's the wobble ball and it just nips back, it jags back it's the nipbacker, that is a beauty from Kate Cross, an absolute seed, that is a beauty from Cross. Hello and welcome back to No Balls of Cricket Podcast with me Kate Cross and you Alex Hartley

and of course you're in your golf gear. Of course, of course I have run from the 18th like literally run because I was like, I'm going to be late, I've set up, I'm here and you were late. Sorry I had recovery to do. Ah, I see, I see So if I knew that it was going to be

Five past four, I wouldn't have had to run And I've just I've actually got my My beer with me from the 18 How you doing? I'm good, thank you. How are you? I'm good, I'm tired, tired

The old coach trip from Where have we been, Darby to Taunton It's never nice, never nice No, how long did that take? It was four and a half today Which actually wasn't too bad But still Oh, but so you've done

done that because the international or Crossies international season has started. We started with probably one of the worst games I've played in. Probably one of the worst games I've watched. Yeah, it was bad. It was so bad that Anya Shrubesol even text me saying, you've just been quoted saying you're bored. Oh. Oh, that's not, yeah, we talk a lot about entertaining and inspiring people

and that doesn't sound like it fitted the bill. No, it wasn't the best. But you know what? It can happen. You've got it out of the way. You've got it out of the way. started with a win which helped yes we won yeah so anyone that hasn't watched we did win it's not all doing gleam we won by a comfortable margin as well but we as a team just didn't

play our best game of cricket which is allowed we don't we we strive to be our best every single day and sometimes it's not going to happen and yesterday was one of those days where it didn't happen yet we still won yeah some sometimes you all just have bad days on the same day so there was 26.1 overs of dot balls in your batting innings yesterday which is quite a lot and there was the most ever wides in a home ODI do you know the most since 2009

that was so long ago Tammy was keeping oh wow I mean the fact that Tammy was playing in 2009 bloody hell and poor belly nine games both 40 wides but it can happen it's done it's dusted you don't talk about it I know you're not allowed but you don't need to talk about that

well we obviously I knew the wide one I didn't know the rest of it because that's not how we watch the game we watch our game with our intent and our mindset crossy you are seven runs closer to being the best number 10 in the world

how many do I need you don't need many at all I tweeted it off the 30 something wasn't it yeah you're not you're not far so what we actually were saying on air yesterday we were having a good laugh about it because it's actually a record that we want

so we want Sarah Glenn to go and like hit a few fours but get out to give you enough time but we also don't want you to get 40 so that you go ahead of glennie in the batting order so it's like a real game of cat and mouse i don't i don't think i'm going to go ahead of glennie in the batting order i don't think we need to worry about that i think i'm firmly setting that number 10 role okay because i'm panicking that you might be nine because you are actually a really good batter i um let's work out what i need and then we'll go from there but i can't see it's going to happen in this series No, I think, right, I'll get it up

I'll get it up Hold there, please call her This was before yesterday So, Kate Cross Third on the list With De La-da-da-da-la 199 runs to her name

Batting 10 or lower Leah Tohoo 2nd So I'm now on At 6 from yesterday 105 205 So Leah To-Hoo-237

and Anisa Mohammed for the West Indies is 241 so you're really not far behind at all So I need 37 runs In the next two games You could actually do it Or the next as many ODIR It's just as long as I'm back in 10 or lower Yeah

It's big stuff guys, really big stuff It's what the people want I had tweets about it yesterday It's what we need Yeah But yeah So not our best game But we've won

We've got a game on Sunday Against Pakistan again Obviously in the second ODI and then we go to Chelmsford. How, so I was about to say how are you after yesterday, obviously tired. Was it good to be back? Yes, obviously. Always nice.

And I love the first game of the season when you get to put the new kit on. However, I didn't enjoy myself all that much, Al, I'm not going to lie to you. It wasn't my favourite game. I mean, it was so cold you were bowling in a jumper. Well, we didn't have any long-sleeved jumpers to wear. So that was not a great start to the day. So we all had to wear our short-sleeved jumper. Belly had a long-sleeved t-shirt on as well as a short-sleeved t-shirt as well as a jumper.

So that was not great. But I just, I was battling yesterday. I was out of rhythm. It was quite gusty from my end as well. So when it did blow it like really blue, so you're like halfway through, you run up and it hit you and you just thrown off a little bit. So I felt like I was really battling. However, I did get to ball at the sea's end. And when I went out to bat, I said, too, I'm not the senior.

All summer, where have you been? She was like, I know, it's been ages. Did you win to well? I did win to well, Sue, thank you very much. Did you winter well? Love that. Lovely. Lovely to see her again.

And I thought both her and Kim had great games, actually. Yeah, but unfortunately, Kim had to call you no ball, didn't she? Kim and Sue both called no balls. Oh, did you bowl two? Bought two, yeah, one at each end. See, out of rhythm. Oh, I only saw one. You know when I'm bowling front foot, no is.

Yeah, but you only bowed two. It's not that bad. No, but there was a lot of, we're just checking up, stairs for front foot. Yep, you're okay. I was like, oh, okay, great. Just one of those days that I'm happy to put behind me now and move on and think about taunting on Sunday. So I've got a question to ask you about yesterday's game. So Needed or got Sophie Eccleston out and like tapped her on the bum, laughed and give her a little bit of a send off. What is that about? Yeah, so we were in

the dressing at that point and obviously we're waiting for Sov to come in to tell us what might have been exchanged out there because we saw the bum tap and we're like, that's bit odd. But I think what I heard Sophie say, need a dar, said to her was something about being a legend. So she's got her out and gone, like, legend, legend or something, and tapped her on the bum, which was all a bit odd and probably quite unnecessary. But yeah, that's all I know.

Oh, well, to be fair, two legends. Yeah, Lady Boom and Sophie X. But I'm still not sure you need to be tapping anyone on the bum in an international game. No, me neither. Turn around a slap her on the face. Knowing so, if you got a Sophie in a bad mood when she gets out, that could happen as well. Oh, imagine, imagine. So, I've asked you how you are, you've played a bit of golf, you've been and commentated, anything else going on?

Should I have a look at the sticking out? Oh yeah, let's have a look. God, I forget about these sticking out. No, there's nothing on mine. Oh, I've got something. Go on. Al RCB

knocked CSK out of the IPL and then RCB have been knocked out so both my teams are done dusted not interested in the IPL now anymore yeah who's even in the final I don't even know actually I do know

it's KKR and it's about to be against Rajasthan Royals or Sunrises Hyderabad and I've got myself a Sunil Narin shirt this year so I've got a brand new KKR show with Sunil Ryan on the back Yeah. Are we near the final? It's on Sunday. Is it Father's Day? Okay.

It's not Father's Day on Sunday, by the way. It is Father's Day soon though. So get those cards ready. Father's Day is on Sunday. So yeah, someone tweeted me saying who am I supporting in the RCBCSK knockout game? And I really, really thought about whether I should reply. And I drafted a few tweets. And I thought in whatever I say in this tweet, I'm going to lose.

And I lost. because I got the most amount of abuse I've ever had for a single tweet by saying that I wanted CSK to win that game. You are the Molly May of the cricket world. Right, well, I'm going to defend myself here because I don't know what reference you mean there. I don't really know who Molly May is. But I'm guessing that you mean that I... Do you want it?

Do you want the reference? Yeah, I think give me the reference for the context. No, you can't win. You cannot win. So Molly May cannot win. She's right. She's obviously a multi-millionaire, right? She flew private to her friend's birthday party

and got absolutely hounded on social media recently. She flew Ryanair for assistance Hendoo last weekend and has been hounded for flying Ryanair. So she's come out and been like, I can't win. Yeah, it's kind of not like that at all because I'm not a millionaire, and I'd love a private jet, but I don't have one. But I just, I want to defend myself because everyone knows

I support CSK and just because you play for a team in a WPL doesn't mean that you instantly change your allegiances and support that team. Obviously I want RCB to do well. RCB knocking CSK out meant I'd then support RCB and want them to win.

But guys, the death threats, I do not need the death threats to support in CSK. Someone called me the biggest loser in the world as well. That one really hurt me. The thing is, you say everyone knows you support CSK, they don't. They don't.

RCB fans that follow you just presume your RCB through until they see you tweet the yellow love partner like, who's this girl? Yeah. So many people were like, we need to really sell this girl for next year, which I'll probably, let's be honest, that's going to happen. But some guy who's a real out and our RCB fan was like, I hope you stay with RCB for the next four years and carry the drinks. And I was like, well, that's not a bad thing.

I really enjoyed it. And I've got a free watch. Thanks for topping up my bank account. Yeah. Some really funny threats, some really quite just not necessary threats. But guys, come on. Be nice. It's a game of cricket. Be nice.

All right, shall we got nothing else on the stick, you go, no one else to out. So should we go upstairs? Yes. Yeas. Yeas. Who should we go upstairs with? It's got to be Sue. It's got to be on it.

Have you went well, Sue? Yeah, I have. for you. Let's go for a snuggle. We've got thousands of emails. Thank you everyone, by the way, because we requested emails last week and we've got loads. So many. Like literally 48 emails I've got. And they're all the podcasts. Okay, I'll kick us off. This is from Phil Jackson. Good evening, ladies. Many times listener, first time, email there. Thanks for your weekly dose of entertainment and your insight into cricket today. Always a blast.

Following your discussion of diving slash not diving for the crease, when a runout might be on the cards, perhaps the teams would do well to have a look at some volleyball videos to see the commitment those women and men have to make sure the ball does not hit the ground. Diving is only the half of it with the players, often sliding out of court, only to get back onto their feet ready to for the next part of the rally. It's a lesson in putting your body on the line that my... I feel like Phil's quite angry as well here. It's a lesson in putting your body on the line that my previous club cricket captain

would have made us watch repeatedly if we had been run out without diving. But enough, keep up the good work and following today's ODI Derby, 40 extras. What's going on? He is angry. Phil is angry. Loving the award-winning podcast, best from Phil. Sorry, Phil.

Yeah, sorry, Phil. I've got nothing to do with me. I wasn't the one diving or bowling the extras, but sorry, Phil, I hope you're okay. Yeah, I hope you're okay, Phil. We didn't mean to bowl the extras. We don't like bowling extra balls. It was genuine errors,

and we will be better on Sunday. I love the fact you've bought 58 overs of something. God, no wonder it's so long and so cold. On the day to do it, it's not the coldest day of the year, is it? This is from Sophie, Chloe, and Alex, and they've all had a little selfie with you, Crossy. I love them. I, Alex and Kate, had a great day at the ODI on Thursday at Derby.

It was great to meet you, Kate, in the freezing cold. A shame we missed you, Alex. However, we did get your breaking down curse as we broke down in McDonald's car bike on the way back home. Our dads had to come and rescue us as we didn't know what to do as our friend only passed her test last week. All in all, it was a great day and good to see the England girls back at Derby. Love the podcast. Keep the episodes coming from Sophie, Chloe and Alice. Alex. Sophie, Chloe or Alex, one of them was really a big podcast fan because she said,

I think it was the girl that was in the England shirt, so I don't know who that was of the three. But yeah, she said she's a big, big fan of the podcast. So I told anyone who listened to the podcast yesterday that they had to email us in. And they have done, which is nice. Good. I would like to point out that my car is now fixed. Well done. Got a new battery. They sold it, that garage. Come on. Let's out this garage. Right. I bought the car. And what they've done. is they've taken out the original battery of the car and put in a smaller one and it's too small for my car

which is why it kept dying so now I've got the lovely RAC they came and fixed my battery and gave me a new one a bigger one, a high voltage one and he said you should never break how voltage

where do it touch where do it cares need to also thank Duncan from the game yesterday so Duncan very very kindly has left you and me some gifts I didn't meet Duncan these gifts arrived on my little place where I sat in the dressing room

from Sarah Glenn I think he gave them too so thank you very much Duncan very very kind of you to give us some gifts and also I got some lovely gifts from Dan and his daughter Maisie from Old Trafford last week got some personalised golf balls which were so good

and I got a bucket hat that on the front of it says Alex Andrea Hartley nice nice I'll actually use my gift. I'm going to use my gift. Can't wait to lose them all. Right, we've had one from...

I might use your gift too. Yeah, I'll let you lose a crossy 16 ball. Right, we've had one from Ed Taylor and it says, dear Kate, oh, sorry, dear Alex and Kate, how rude of me. I'm still, oh, I'm still a big fan of the podcast. Same as I was when I wrote in a couple of weeks ago. Also, sorry in advance, if this ends up being quite a long email or something you've covered before and I've forgotten.

them. I'm a coach in the genius section of our club. Our season has started and already one of our lead coaches has felt the need to remind people about the code of conduct. Quite often to succeed in sport you have to be passionate and at least to care about what you're doing and these emotions can't be turned on and off like a tap. As such, it's natural for young players to feel a sense of injustice at a decision or annoyance at themselves when they make a mistake. But part of our role as coaches is to help them process this in a way that is appropriate to cricket and constructive to their mental health. After all that, I guess my question is, when you were young and started to play cricket, did accepting the tough

decisions that went against you come naturally, or was there something a coach said that would help you with that? Thanks, Ed. P.S. for anti-Kate and pseudo-ante Alex, my friend likes to say that baby smiles are caffeine for the soul. I just thought I'd share that with you. I think baby frowns are now smiles for the soul. I saw Grace smile yesterday. She was frowning the other day She was genuinely angry the other day Probably because she had to go to Derby and watch us play Yeah

Good question though So as a coach ever basically giving you any advice To help you accept tough decisions that went against you Or is there anything that you could advise on I guess Oh I don't know Do you know what my Go on

I was just going to say So I still like even yesterday was outwardly like really annoyed at myself and I don't want anyone to think that what I have produced is the standard that I'm happy with so that's why I show emotion and I feel like this is gained more like maybe if you've not been played

or if an umpire gives you out because it feels like it's more about decisions that are out of people's control but I'm not very good at this because I still do it and I'm 32 so I'm probably the wrong person to ask. Yeah, I mean, I once punched a locker in front of the head coach because I was playing, then I wasn't, and I was annoyed, so I don't know. But then Robo did also say to me, like, when I was crying at fine leg, because I was a right, pussy, where are you?

And I said, I'm in the West Indies. And he said, where were you a year ago? I was like, making sandwiches in the bakery. He's like, get on with it then. Yeah. there is that I guess it's a hard question without any context but I just think that emotion is part

like this like Ed said like it's part of life and it's not going to go away just because you're playing sport I think one of our good bits of advice that we often say on this podcast is the 24 hour rule isn't it like if it's something that you're still annoyed about in 24 hours give yourself that time to like construct a conversation that you want to have with the right person but don't do it immediately

because emotion often controls those conversations so give yourself 24 hours if you're over it in 24 hours then move on if not then chat to someone I could have done with that advice before I nearly got sent home from an England tour yeah when you told the head coach to f*** yeah

that was a good one that was a really bad one that was a really bad one probably my favourite Alex Hartley in an England shirt moment that was bad that's a story for a rainy day that's a story for a live show. Yeah, yeah, that probably needs to not go out on the internet forever. Yeah.

Susanna in Newark says, Hi, Kate and Alex. Since discovering the no-ball's podcast a couple of years ago when I couldn't sleep in the middle of the night, I soon realized you needed prompting to daytime listening as I enjoyed the cricket chat, fun and nonsense, far too much to go back to sleep. Nice.

You've helped me discover a love for women's game and I'm a huge fan now of cricket and both of you. I love having you as my podcast cricket friends as most of my real life friends only just about tolerate me chatting about cricket one days they'll realise how good it is I've followed the England women for a while now but this year I've started taking more of an interest in the Thundergirls

because you talk a lot about them the only problem I've got though is my dad and brothers are true Yorkshire and I'm worried they might disown me for supporting Lancashire Kate, how did you manage the opposite when you went to play for the superchargers last year? Go well, if you can say that on this podcast, Susanna. Well, Susanna, the big difference between me and you

is that I had no choice in who I went and played for. Again, this doesn't mean I support Yorkshire, just because I play for them. I still support Lancashire. Cue the death threats. But I just think the rivalry is fun. Let it happen. Have a bit of banter.

It's great. It is. It is. And it's normal. It's competitiveness. Diamonds aren't even a thing anymore, so you can't support them. No, Durham.

It's Durham now. Except Yorkshire getting a team in 2020, 25 now. Early Threlkeld supports Liverpool Football Club. Sophie Ackleston supports Everton. Two huge rivals, both really good friends still. I don't think it's going to affect

your relationship with your brother and your dad. They neither. This is from Ben. Hi, Alex and Kate. I'm a first time emailer and recent listener to your multi-award-winning podcast. My wife put your podcast on. It's funny this because they've put podcasts as two words twice. Podcast.

My wife put your podcast on in the car after recommending it on a number of occasions and I'm now a regular listener to no balls. Question for Alex about coaching. Are you required to have coaching badges or qualifications like in football? Or are coaching roles in cricket more based around experience and ability in cricket? cricket. Well, you probably should have some qualifications in coaching to be a coach. It helps. I've got my level two. I got that when I was 18 years old, probably needs to top it up. But I have booked myself on to do my level three, so I'm going to be doing that. Nice. It is,

you do still get roles. There's a lot of like mentoring now, isn't there? So Stuart Broad, for example, or Jimmy when he retired. Yeah, consultants. Yeah, they might not need to have qualifications, but they're still going to be invited into groups because they've got that wealth of experience. Yeah, so I'm the spin bowling coach, but maybe more of a consultant. It's also my wife's birthday on the 27th of May. Got this in nice and early. Well done, Ben. And I know it would mean a lot to her if you gave her a birthday shout-out.

My wife's name is Lynn Sue. Thanks in advance, Ben. Happy birthday. How we have a great day. We hope you enjoy whatever. cricket there is on the 27th of May. Happy birthday. We've got Mike Kelsey from Romania.

This is where the dog's from. Mike's been in touch before, I think. Oh, okay, okay, it makes sense. Hi, Kate, Alex and other members of the multi-award-winning podcast crew. Do you have a crew or a posse? A posse? Possie. Possy.

Poss. Do you have a crew or a posse or a fan? Oh, what do we have? We call it, it's the team, isn't it? Hey team, what time we're recording? Team. We've booted one member of the team out, Charlotte Swish, she's gone. I have a friend who works for a betting company

and has to watch cricket on his laptop as part of his job. He says he doesn't enjoy women's cricket as there are not enough sixes. I know Alex has tried to remedy this. I said I really enjoy it. There is more guile and craft, and if you want sixes, Sophie Eccleson is always good for a few.

you. But then I got to thinking, the real reason I enjoy watching the women's international and 100 games is because of the connection I feel with the players due to your podcast. The players are no longer a name on the BBC app or score sheet. Now I feel like I know them after they have been on your pod or you've spoken about them. You connect us brilliantly to a world that was so unknown to us all and so I wanted to say thank you. I realize you actually ask for questions so I need to tag one on the end of this email. On a bacon sandwich, do you have brown or red sauce or no sauce? Good question.

I think in very early no balls days we covered this because it was an LBW, wasn't it? I have brown sauce on a bacon sandwich. It really depends on the flavour of the day for me, but I'm more of a brown than a red. But never know. You can't have it dry. No, no, don't know. You can't have it dry. That is psychopath behaviour.

That is bad. Maybe Mike needs to get his mate who works at the betting company then to listen to the podcast because that might help him realise that you don't need sixes to be entertaining. Yeah, or he can just go hang out with Andy. Yeah, I'll do that. I had to do The 100 Content Day this week and they asked me some hot takes and I thought I might ask them to you on the podcast. Okay.

I think you'll have seen them all because I think they're off TikTok, but here we go. How many owls would you need to see? in a day to be concerned? Six. Why? Six. I think I saw one, I'd be like, oh, an owl. Two, are an owl.

Three, oh an owl. Four, it's getting a little strange now. That's another owl. Five, there's another owl. Six. Why there's so many owls? I'm similar to you, but two would make me be like, I've not seen two owls in my entire lifetime.

I've seen two in a day. But if I got to five, I'd text one about it. and be like something's going on, I've seen five owls. Yeah, yeah. I would like to think you text me on your first owl because then you can start the count to it being weird. I don't know if I would text you on the first hour though. But what if that's the start of your weird day with owls?

Yeah, but I wouldn't know, but the one hour wouldn't concern me. I'd be like, oh, wow, an owl. I'm not seeing an hour before. I like owls because they literally turn their heads so far. You can do that. second question would you rather listen to pit bull songs only for the rest of your life or any song but it has to be sung by pit bull mr world wide i'd rather listen to pit bull no yeah no his songs

i like pit bull oh my god that's all you can listen to for the rest of your life that's fine oh good god i'll put test match special on and listen to that loop on replay five more live sport, five live sport. This is five sports extra. That's quite a catchy tune though, that, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And then the last one I'll ask you, you and a snail become immortal.

Have you heard this one? Go on. So you and the snail can't get killed. However, oh, you've been given a lot of money for this as well, so let's call it 10 million. You've got 10 million in the bank account. If the snail catches you and touches you, you die

and the snail always knows where you are so it's always on the hunt for you what is your plan well I'd first of all fly to Australia and start living there I reckon I've got myself three years the snail could easily get on a plane though it's highly intelligent

yeah but it's got to get across Australia yeah but it might land you can't live near the airport then you've got to live far away from an airport Yeah, honestly that's fine Because I just think I would see it I think I'd know it was there Yeah, but you sleep a lot

I would sleep less, okay? Because I'd be worried about losing my 10 million No, you'd lose your life You don't lose the 10 million, you lose your life I'd go spend the 10 million And then life's complete And then let the snail hit you, touch you And then we'll all die happy together

I actually, my theory on this if you can have a theory, is that we move a lot anyway. Like, I'm in Taunton now, I was in Derby three hours ago, so that snail's got to now get to Taunton. Then in two days' time, I'm moving on to Essex, and then I'm going back to Manchester, and then I've got a trip to Durham. So I think I'm move enough to not really worry about the snail.

I've got a question, snail-related question. Could you not just put it in a Tupperware so it could never catch you? No, that was the one thing that you weren't allowed to do was put a cup over it. Ah, okay, okay. Sorry, should I mention that? Maybe a cardboard box then. Well, there's always a loophole.

Always loophole. Hi, Kate and Alex. Hope you girls are well. I've been at two games at Old Trafford this season after a few seasons away. It's been awesome to see Kate play in both games and Kate's had two brilliant games. I attended the Western Storm game and the T20 game against Northern Diamonds. Keep it up, Kate, and I wish I could see you play cricket in a game again. Alex, love Mikey.

The thing of... Mikey Smith. Do you remember Mikey Smith? Mikey! Mikey was the one who asked about Kev with the Cubs. I hope you're okay, Mikey. We haven't heard from you for such a long time. We've had one about weddings and it's intrigued me.

Sharried it out quickly. All right, go on then. This is come from Carol. Rev Carol. Reverend. This is our first reverend. Yeah, this is our first reverend. Wow.

Okay, I'm listening intently. Dear Alex and Kate, I was listening to Alex commentate yesterday and was so sad to hear how you've been bored by weddings. I'm a Baptist minister and love doing a good wedding. I aim songs to people I know, readings done by people who read them like they mean it, really short talks with humour and sound effects.

I've used a good gong and sung badly. And lots of cheering and clapping. I'm available if either of you need me in the future. Thanks for the great podcast in Rev Carroll. So the context is, I was saying how great Tammy's wedding was because the hymn was just racked off halfway through. The dog sort of just interrupted and someone had to take it away and it was just short, sweet, done, dusted, whereas I hate,

sorry Rev, I hate church weddings. I do think if you've not grown up in religion, if you're not a family that is religious, then that stuff is hard to buy into, isn't it? so I can understand why you don't really enjoy a church wedding. I used to take my Game Boy to church if I had to go on a Sunday. Good game. But Rev Carol, maybe I'll try and be more open-minded at the next wedding and you've made me realise that I shouldn't be so closed-minded.

I do think that this is really random thing to start talking about, but what I have learnt from watching The Crown is that monarchy needs to be, what's the right word revolutionised and modernised and I think that has kind of happened with the church

a little bit as well because to get people into the church you're going to need to make it modern so maybe that's what our reverend's doing yeah

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