Test Match Special - No Balls: The Cricket Podcast - Crossy turns 30 and Greg James drops by!

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

After a very special birthday, Kate and Alex talk through the big day. Plus, Radio 1 presenter Greg James joins us from the Tailenders tour bus to talk all sorts of nonsense...

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It's what England we're looking for. Hartley balls. Down the track comes scoring this time she connects. It's either six or out. It's six. Hi there and welcome back to Nobles a cricket podcast with me Kate Cross and you Alex Hartley

I've thrown you there Happy birthday to you It's a bit like happy late Late birthday to you She's only gone and gone pretty Happy birthday to you Crossy That was either

3652 days early or two days late 360 two days early knowing this podcast very true um yeah oh you're 30 I do not feel in fact I feel older than 30 because the weekend that we have had wow it has taken it out of me yeah the good thing is someone messaged me saying you look 40

so well done you great bad paper out they actually said she's had a tough paper out for a 30 year old Do you know what? Honestly, I had the best weekend. Like, we, I celebrated with my friends, school friends on a Friday night. Celebrated with the cricket girls on the Saturday night. Family Sunday, which was my actual birthday, went on the live tail end of show Sunday night. What a weekend.

What a weekend. I said to you when we were going to bed last night. We didn't communicate at all yesterday. We were useless. I sat in my room. You sat in the living room. But when we're going to bed, I was like, did you have a good weekend? And you're like, the best.

It was the best. It was just everyone. Especially I think because of the COVID bubble, has not been able to see many people over the summer, got everyone together in a weekend, and it was just mega. I nearly didn't go to that tail ender show. I've never seen anyone. I mean, I've got a lot to talk about that Saturday night,

but I've never seen anyone look as grey as you did on Sunday. Honestly, Crossy. I think I just took it a bit too far. So I'll let everyone into a little story. We put a few things on the Nobles Instagram account on the night out. We thought it'd be clever doing it at 4.30 in the morning. Yeah, why not? Cause why not?

You, I turned to you at about quarter to five in the morning. We were still in mojos, which is going to also get mentioned later on in the pod. But quarter to five, I went, Al, I'm ready for some chicken nuggets, let's go. And you turned to me and you're like, no, no. Crossie, I'm not leaving. I ain't leaving. I ain't leaving. And I was all right, okay, so I've like got my drink, picked up back up, had a sip of my drink.

And you turned to me and you went, Crossie, let's go. I'm ready. 45 seconds later. And then we went down to get me some chicken nuggets. This is how late it was. The guy had turned his friar off. Yeah, I wasn't doing chicken nuggets. Or you were arguing with him and all we could get was two margarita pizzas.

And you chose the small size. Did I? Yeah. And then I have never, ever seen gravity affect anyone the way it affected you when we were waiting for our pizza. Oh no. So yeah, you've not told me this. So you dropped something on the floor and you went to try and pick it up. But instead of like, Ben, Ben,

bending down and like bending forwards to pick it up. You insisted on like a bit of like a Michael Jackson lean back move instead of turning yourself around into picking this thing up off the floor and then me and Dan Collins had to physically get you back up on your feet because gravity just took its toll. I was like Bambi. You were. It was a little bit like the scene out of there's something about Mary

when the guy's on his crutches and he's trying to pick something up off the floor if you've seen that. Do you know what? I vaguely remember the feeling. My head was really heavy. And my head was like nodding. And I couldn't like, my eyes were rolling. I couldn't lift my head up.

And that's where my main source of gravity is. So wherever your head went, you generally followed it. So we had a great night, didn't we? Honestly, look, right, your best friend's only 30 once. And you've got to absolutely send it when they are. We sent it. And then we had to have some Dutch courage to go on tail enders on the Sunday night, didn't we? I had a pint with your parents.

for your birthday meal that lasted two and a half hours still there yeah you didn't finish it there's half of it still in that restaurant honestly I was chewing it it was horrendous I've got a lot to get through actually um we've got a guess this week we have it's very tailender friendly they canceled yesterday yeah because they were too tired hung over um but we've we've got him today nailed him down yeah so there's actually only one more tail ender we've got to pick off or two if we pick matching as well so instead of doing the crossover yeah instead of doing the crossover we've just well we we gate crashed the live show didn't we yeah we did and it was amazing it was incredible it was incredible you had three

thousand people sing happy birthday to you it was mental the for me the biggest thing was we got on stage and they said Alex and Kate Cross England International Lancashire players and then no balls podcasters and Greg said or did you say it? Does anyone listen to No Balls in the audience? And loads of people cheered. And then someone went, Crossie! Do something!

And then I saw this one on the front row, shout happy birthday to me. So I thought, oh, thank you. Like, forgetting that we're just doing a live interview. And then someone shouted, come on the spuds! Yeah, so good. You're all wicked.

Thank you so much. Honestly, if you were at the tail enders live and you listen to this podcast, we love you. We love you. And we kind of floated the idea around last week, didn't we, about potentially doing something live.

Yeah, I'm hungry for it now. I think we could do it. Honestly, they just dick around. There is a bit of planning that goes into it, but I turned to you at one point and I said, I thought our podcast was shambolic. This is a whole new level. Yeah, we could do it, but Greg James, Jimmy Anderson,

Felix White, matching Tandulka have agreed that we'll do a live show in Manchester next year some stage and then go out it won't be live it'll just be in a studio we'll all be together to do it see I thought we were going to do it live no I don't think so oh well we'll do it live we'll go on an Instagram live

yeah do you have any sticky notes this week honestly crossing my life spin a shambles there ain't nothing on my sticky note right I'll go through mine then so we have got speaking of tail enders some merch we have some signed merch And we think we're going to do a giveaway

So keep an eye out on Twitter and Instagram Because we've not decided how we're going to do it yet But we'll let you know We've got one lanyard We've got our access all areas past signed by everyone Yeah and we've got a record Which is signed by everybody From the tail enders

Including me and crossy Second thing on my sticky note Presents Yeah You got me Some birthday presents Yeah I got them at 7pm at 9

unwrapped because you were such a shambles of a human being on my birthday that you didn't even get around to getting some wrapping paper. No. I feel really terrible about that. But equally, I just really don't care. Yeah, I got that impression. However, one of my presents was amazing. So, oh, she got me another potato, everyone, another 16 quid down the drain.

Seven pound cheaper this time. Oh, nice. Probably because it's not a pandemic and they can't rip people off. So the potato wasn't the highlight. you got me an amazing present and you also got me not the printer you also got me one of the worst presents I've ever seen but I'm going to talk about the best one first so you got me a book which has got every single photo pretty much that you took this summer of us playing cricket in the hundred being ourselves and it is the funniest thing I've ever

seen honestly like I was I was thinking like what can I get her for a 30th that she'll remember because you're quite a sentimental person and I'm really not so it took me forever to think about it and then I was like surely there's a way I can make like a little memory book so I did and it says on the front of it

a summer to remember with the OG's logo and if anyone was to look at that book in like a hundred years time no one will be able to piece together what that means because it is so rogue have you seen what it says on the spine of the book no just says love you mate Oh, does it? I didn't see that.

Oh, nice, thank you. Yeah. But it's got every single photo that's been on my phone, and there's hundreds. Yeah. There's some that are blurry. There's one photo which probably sums the whole book up. And it's a picture of me, Fred Clarkson, Calvin Harrison, and... Lockie Ferguson?

Probably Locky Ferguson. I think it might be one of the girls, actually. And you cannot make out a human being in any of it. We just know because we knew those colours that they were wearing that night. But we went through it last night and just laughing. at it and like the things we saw in the background of certain photos there's two people kissing them we were like what but nobody knows that they kissed and i've got photographic evidence in that book for you in that book so yeah it's worth a bit of money now i reckon that book

yeah um the worst present i've ever seen oh my god and i knew it was bad when i bought it didn't i so you sent me a voice note didn't you about a week ago saying oh my god just got home open one of your presents the worst thing i've ever bought i might put it in the bin and i and I was like oh what on earth can I do with that I can't ask you what the present is you're not going to send me a picture of it so I was like what a waste of a voice now anyway you turn up you give it me

this was the first present you gave me actually minus the printer which I found because it came unwrapped it was just an actual printer in the post you've got me a necklace which you might buy a six year old girl it's like a really crap Claire's accessories

style necklace in a love heart with some diamantis on it and there's this little gem pendant thing in the middle of it which if you looked at it you just feel like okay that's there what is that and you were like put your eye in that

hold it up to the light hold it up to the light and put your eye dead close to it in it bear in mind that this this whole necklace is no bigger than a thumbnail no it's really hard to work isn't it there is a picture of me and you in the necklace

Yeah, which is pretty cool, but I realised when it turned up, it's very coupley. Really cuddly, really like anniversary of a wedding type thing. Well, it was your 30th. And then I saw one that you can get similar, it's a dog paw print, you get a picture of your dog in it. I was like, a dog's nearly dead, should have just got that one. Yeah, you should have done actually. So anyway, that's in the bin, in it. Well, no, it's there on the coffee table, I can see it, but I'm not going to lie to you,

I'm probably not going to wear it. Well, no. And I said to you, I said, whatever I've got you for your birthday, you have to wear life for the tail enders. I gave it you and you were like, absolutely not. No way. And if I do, I will wear a scarf so that no one can see I'm wearing it. So, potatoes I've got written down. Yeah. Because one of the best pranks, another prank has occurred. Honestly. I told everybody on this podcast that I left my cricket bag with Laura Jackson because I just forgot about it.

She gave me back on Sunday morning. And we knew about it. So 5 a.m. when we got home from Mojo's on Saturday night, Laura Jackson left her a little bit earlier, stayed in the flat. She was in my bed and we were such a nightmare when we got back in, weren't we? It was so loud and so rowdy and these Lammy and Jacko were asleep. So we woke them up. Get in bed.

Finally settled myself down. And Jacko goes, crossy, can you keep a secret? So I'm like, yeah. What was it? She went, I've put four cages of potato. as in Alex's cricket bag. Four kilograms of the bastards, right? And I didn't know about it.

And she gave me a cricket bag out of the car. How she lifted it out of the car, I'll never know, because it's too heavy for me to lift. And I was like, what is in there? So I opened it. Spuds everywhere. Spuds all over the show. I've got a video, so I'll post the video when this episode goes out.

However, the funniest thing about it was that you were still drunk from the night before. It was one of those classic. If you're this drunk now, drunk were you last night. Yeah, not good. And you just couldn't... You were like, oh, I'll deal with that later. Yeah.

We had an appearance then on the Monday, didn't we? Where we needed our cricket bag. So with Tom Bailey and Stephen Croft from Lancashirt, you open your cricket bag, and there's three packets of spuds in there and about 20 loose potatoes. But you know what we're having for dinner tonight? Mashed.

Mashed potato for three weeks running. Yeah, good prank, but I just didn't have the mental capacity to deal with that. No, you didn't have the mental capacity. to do with a lot yesterday actually. Next thing on my sticky note. I watched a video of you. You did an appearance last week

and you were at Sixers Cricket Club. And I saw you hit a six left-handed. Honestly, I could be left-handed. Well, I've got a little voice note that I just want to play. Oh, God. Because you message me and you're like, how good was my six? Switch it.

and then you sent me this. I could genuinely be left-handed and never thought about it. Like, imagine if I'm actually left-handed. That is the kind of cricketer that we are dealing with here that you actually still don't know if you should be left-handed. I mean, after that shot, even Greg James was like, I saw that shot, it was incredible. Are you left-handed? Yeah.

Bless you. Oh, I snouted out of a tea shirt. Oh my God, that t-shirt is now wet. Wow. So I just wanted to bring that to people's attention that you could potentially be left-handed. Yeah, and I... The thing is, my feet didn't move well, but the...

Your arms were good. Yeah. Swing was good. You got elevation on it. Well, now you've brought it up. I might as well talk about it. The thing that I did with Sixth's cricket was can you beat Joss Butler?

I beat Joss Butler At six hitting At six hitting Mental I told him to scoop Because there was a scoop shot behind him And he didn't He didn't dare do it

I did it But yeah Beed Josh Butler Well done you Yeah I bet you didn't even mention it Did you? No not at all

Not at all Not at all First thing he did on social media I loved that I got paid to do that Nice Couple more things It's never ending the sticking out

Honestly It's been a big week Hasn't it Yeah it has the gas man came around to check my flu yeah he did and I was laughing he said I've just come to check your flu

well he came to do a service on the boiler and he then he went he said to me he went where's your flu I'm at first out laughing he was like I've actually had flu issues because I had to get a man with a cherry picker to come and fix my flu yeah sort the flu out which your dad was gonna do at one stage

dad did do it dad was overseeing the fixing of my flu at one point so that happened and then his phone went halfway through this appointment and i think it might be an lbw but his ringtone was a dog barking what and i've seen this a few times with people where they've got like a voice note that they use as their ringtone yeah a certain people maybe or and i wonder is this voice note this man's dog barking yeah or as he just got a generic dog barking that he then it was really aggressive it was like an angry dog barking at him literally yeah and i was like oh god there's a dog in here but there wasn't it was his phone oh that's weird but it was all a bit odd was he like i'm just fixing someone's flu i'll ring you back yeah he's like busy got my

hand in someone's flu so got to go speaking of dogs okay we had an interesting tweet yesterday didn't we yeah yeah we did a really interesting tweet which i you actually text me from the next room being like check Twitter. Don't laugh, look at Twitter. I just wanted to, it's probably more of a health warning than anything, but I just wanted to make everyone aware that you do not have to

intentionally castrate yourself to listen to No Bulls, the cricket podcast. No. Which this man suggested, didn't it? He said, I would rather have a dog savage my balls, balls, than listen to this. So I replied on the Twitter just saying,

you know what, John, that sounds really excellent. stream yeah but what you do in your own time with dogs is none of our business and i was like pretty niche market really niche market yeah weirdest lbbb you've ever had so we just want to check in on you john we just want to say we hope you're all right we hope the rockwhilers all right actually because he specified he wanted the rock whirler yeah and yeah you don't have to have no balls listen to the podcast this podcast is called no balls because crossy bowls them we're two female cricketers no balls the cricket podcast there you go that is the end of my sticking up fine Should we answer some quick questions before we introduce our guest?

Yeah, should we go upstairs dead quick? Really quick. We'll have a quickie. Yeah, quickie upstairs with... Should go Steve Buckner? Steve Buckner. It'll become clear later. Yeah, let's go upstairs Steve Buckner. Right, hi Kate and Alex.

I've just broken my collarbone and I'm really, really bored. I can't do any fun activities like climbing, running, cycling, stuff I would normally do. I can't properly go. out because painkillers mean no drinking. Listening to cricket and the podcast has been pretty good, but the season's basically over now. So, what's the best thing I can do with one hand, Tom? Best thing you can do with one hand.

You could eat a sandwich. Could eat a sandwich? You could... Read a book? Read a book. Light a candle. Shuffle your iPod. Could drink a coffee?

Could drink a coffee? There's loads you can do with one hand. There is loads you can do with one hand. But I would suggest watch a bit of telly. Control the remote. Fad one here. It's titled Traumatic Ghost Dreams and Other Things and I'm so happy about this. Greetings, K&A.

Hope you both doing well. Long time listener, first. time caller and all that jazz. I've been wanting to drop a line as you're both bloody great and I love the pod enormously. Like so many others, it's been a huge source of comfort and laughter over the last year and some. Your openness about so much across the board

is inspiring and listening to you both every week is so much like being around close friends, too many of whom I've sadly been unable to see during the last 18 months, so thank you for everything. Up until now, I've not been able to think of an LBW worth sending in, but then you both mentioned traumatic ghost dreams

on the last episode and I realized that my time has come. Yes, here we go. The dream, dead of night, lying in bed. Suddenly, the light comes on and my windows open by itself.

A huge moth comes into the room and starts flapping about in this ridiculous, frenetic way that moths do, flying even closer to my face. Suddenly, I'm paralysed. Stuck to the bed, but I try to blow air

towards the moth to shoo it away only for my mouth to also seize up whilst open and the moth then decides to fly directly into my mouth. Oh my God, he's got locked jaw with the moth in it. I'm then suddenly unfrozen and so I try desperately to pick the moth out of my mouth, but the moth just disintegrates on my tongue and my fingers are covered in flaky moth wings.

Then I wake up. Oh my God. I can taste it. I know that technically no ghost is involved, but I think the dream memory of that crumbling moth is basically a ghost in my mind as the sensation of the moth in my mouth traumatises me to this day. So yes, all very normal, not worrying at all.

Anyway, keep doing what you're doing. you're both absolute stars. Cheers, Harry W. P.S. belated, happy birthday to Hartley for the other week and happy birthday in advance for Sunday Crossey. I can... When I read that email, I tasted it. I tasted the dryness of the moth.

Oh. Traumatic. Traumatic ghost story. Should we have a cricket one? Yeah. Hi Kate and Alex. Really sorry about this email, but it's about cricket. Kate isn't playing T20 international cricket at the moment,

but I'd love to hear her talk us through the day. she absolutely nailed the death bowling to close out a win for England when it was 99.9% in India's favour. Oh, what a day. India needed three runs off the last over and had six wickets in hand. Kate took two wickets in the over

and only conceded a single. England won by one run. It's simply ridiculous. How did Kate and England pull off this heist? Alex was on the tour too, so should have been there watching between her fingers, no doubt. Cheers, Tim.

Yeah, Tim, I did have the bib on and I was watching through my fingers because it was the most surreal six balls. I've ever witnessed. The weirdest thing about it was that I literally bowled line and length for six balls. Yeah.

But it worked. It worked. And you never played cricket for England since? Not T20 cricket, actually. That was one of my last games. Do you know what was funny about that game

was I was in a no-lose situation going on to bowl that over? I think I was thinking if I could have 10 to defend I've got a chance. Yeah. And then the last ball of the 19th over went for four.

Matali Rajib. cover drive over extra for one bounce four off ania and i remember thinking well that's the game done the only thing that i knew was that matali wasn't on strike because she'd hit the boundary off the last ball so i knew that there was a last streak was on strike yeah there was a new batter who'd not faced any or not many deliveries who would be facing my over um but i just thought to myself just give yourself the best chance just bowl straight and what's the worst that could happen you lose it in the first ball I remember at the back of my run-up

ania was at mid-off and I remember saying to her what do I do like make me really clear here and she was just really simple she said crossy hit your length and I know how to do that I know how to bang on a length then there was a dot ball

LBW shout actually which if we had reviews now would have been given out yeah got given out not out sorry on the pitch but we didn't have reviews yeah then so that was a dot ball then there was another dot ball and then I started thinking could I do this and I think that was then when expectation and pressure came more into it

then I took a wicket then Jonesy missed the stumping chance then she got the stumping on the next ball so there was obviously a lot of dots and it was carnage it was yeah it was carnage but there was no way we should have won that game no but that last ball I remember I ran into like started to need of the last one, sorry. They needed. Two to win, one to draw.

No, it can't have been because they got one. So it must have been three to win. Yeah. So you'd bowled five dot balls? Yeah. Yeah. So I remember I'd literally started

to like hit my mark for my run-up to like go into bowl and I stopped and I turned around and I went to I knew again. I said, what am I doing? Yeah. I said she's taking a leg stump guard which she'd changed this batter. So what does that mean?

And she just said she's going to try and give herself some room to hit through the offside so just bowl straight. Yeah. so I bowled it wide outside of stump Yeah you did didn't you It was the worst bowler bowled in the under Yeah it was

Tammy managed to stop it And throw it to me at the non-strikers end At the bowler's end And I knew that if they tried to run to I could run them out And we'd win Here we go last ball of the game India need three to win

Cross balls Shikipandi swings through the offside Tammy Beaumont dives It should only be one The throw comes into the non-striker's end And England have won England have won this third T20 International by one run

There's a huge embrace All 11 players get together around the non-striker stumps and they have won this series 3-0 from nowhere. But it wasn't until that last ball that was if I'd have lost that then

and I nearly did because I bowed the worst ball of the over but it was almost like you were never going to win never going to win never going to win well we could win and then if I had not executed that last one which ironically I didn't that's your fault yeah and it would have been a bit it was a bit of a shame it's gone from not being your

fault that you're going to lose the game to you've bowed an Absolutely long up. Yeah. But I think it just goes to show very crickety stuff here, but it just goes to show like we always talk about keeping yourself in the game as long as you can. And the fact that we managed to get that game down to the final ball was incredible. The fact that we managed to, like he said, pull off that heist was ridiculous. It is funny though, because England say you're deafball and it's not good enough.

Great game of cricket that though. Very good game of cricket. Good memories. Well, probably one of my last games. It would have been actually, wouldn't it? Yeah. One of your last tours, certainly. One of my last tours.

Shall we introduce this week's guest? On a lighter note. On a lighter note, let's introduce one quarter of the tail enders. Quick math. Enjoy everybody. Nearly said one third, so. But matching. Guys, it's my pleasure to introduce our very, very, very special guest this week.

We've got Radio 1 legend, DJ, podcaster, book writer, author, Cricket enthusiast. Greg James, welcome to No Balls of Cricket Podcast. Oh my God. Thanks having me on No Balls the Cricket Podcast. We big you up there, actually, didn't we? Bloody hell.

That is a massive big up. I think it was actually too much for a big up, but I will take it. What would you want us to take out of it? I think just for a minute, just say drunk idiot who is doing a tour but loosely based around the sport of cricket and getting away with it.

Well, speaking of drunk idiot, we were men I'd record yesterday, won't we? But you were asleep? Yeah, well, actually, do you know what? I wasn't asleep. I overslept and then I need, you know when you just need to cleanse your soul and I went for a run?

Because we were on this tail ender's tour and I thought, I'm going to be really good and just like try and try and pretend at least to be a grown-up. So I went for a run around Portsmouth and then I got lost and I felt like I was going to vomit and I just was not in any fit state to talk to anybody.

So I thought, I would have given you a bad performance yesterday so I'm sorry about that but we've just pulled up to um to hammersmith apollo because we're doing hammersmith tonight and uh I'm in a much better mental state today and we've got a bit of calm so I'm in a much better place well we didn't have your number yesterday and we were we tweeted you and no response and so I had to message jimmy to be like is there anything just buying Greg for us and he was like don't know where are you I was like thanks pier yeah no yeah Jimmy's now my age and all inquiries must now go through Jimmy Anderson.

Yeah, nice. The number one question we ask are yes, and you're not allowed to lie about this. Have you even listened to our podcast? I have, absolutely. Oh, yes, love that. Which ones do you listen to? I have. I listened to an episode, this doesn't narrow it down, it was an episode where you were both

hung over. That would have been after the 100, I reckon. Yeah. It was after the 100. It was after the 100, and oh my God, what I think it was just. after you were, Alex, you were really excited that you just got. Oh, I tell you what else I listened to. I say what I loved. I really loved this. It was when you were interviewing Simon Katsich. Oh, really? Yeah, I loved Simon Kattich and I thought that was an amazing interview.

So I'd never really heard him speak like that. So yes, I have listened and I love that episode. We found that episode really boring because there was so much cricket in it. Yeah, but I'm a, I'm a big cricket badger, so I loved it. But it wasn't, it's not boring. That's the thing. If you love cricket than hearing Simon Katzich because he's one of those players that if he was if he was English he'd be and he would have been in that in the England team just every every every week but he was just one of those in that era of Australian players he was he was amazing but everyone was exceptional weren't they so he was in the era where you know you had to be nearly as good as as ponding to get in yeah we're not here to talk about Simon Kattich we're here to talk about

you Greg James um you've mentioned you're on the tail end of talk how's it all going? Well, you can tell me because you were part of the Tailender's tour on, I don't know what night it was in Manchester. We were at the Manchester Apollo and you were our special guests. The Noble's Tail Enders' Crossover actually happened.

It's been so fun. I mean, I really, I'm boring myself with how often I'm thinking to myself. I can't believe this is happening because it just started as a podcast and we love doing that podcast so much. and it started four years ago and then just took off

and then we said oh let's do a little live show in the BBC theatre this was about three years ago and then the ticket sold out in about like a few minutes or something I thought wow this is really fun to do it in front of an audience

and then we did a show at Hackney Empire and we did another show at Hackney Empire then we did a show at the Palace Theatre in Manchester and then people started dressing up as the things we talked about in the podcast people started shouting the things that they remember for the podcast and all the little games that we play sort of came to life in real life

We had, Felix, who used to be in the Maccabees, brings a band along. So it's like a gig as well as a sort of, I guess, loosely based comedy show. And now we're doing a tour. So we're going to do six nights. And firstly, it's so amazing to be in front of an actual crowd again. I've missed that so much. And there's like an outpouring of just sort of, I don't know, gratitude from us and from the crowd that we're allowed to mix again and do fun stuff again.

But yeah, how did you find Manchester? Do you know what? Really, we were sat on the side. and I was like, I don't know if I'm cold or nervous. I was like, I can't work out what I am. And then when we got on stage and 3,000 people sang happy birthday to crossy, I was like, this is sick. That was mad.

We kind of sat there and we were like, a bit like you, we started a podcast. And then when we came on the show on Sunday, we couldn't believe that people, like were shouting bits from our podcast as well. And we were just like, people listened to us rabble on and it's mental. But it was a bit of like a surreal moment. wasn't it? Yeah. It was cool.

It was so much fun. Like, but I don't know how you... Well, thanks for coming. Because, I mean, as you said, the crowd were so into...

I might be give a shout out, but who listens to Snowboards podcast? It was like, yes. And it's, yeah, it's cool, isn't it? Yeah.

But that's the thing about cricket fans, cricket fans tend to be good people. They tend to be like, quite lovely people. And I think that's what we found with the Telenders tour. It's that whatever, whatever your expert is,

level of cricket knowledge is if you if you're if you gravitate towards this sport you probably are not a knob basically how did your podcast start then the tail enders like were you all friends beforehand so me and jimmy uh i became mates with jimmy and that was mad in itself because he and swanee wanted to do a radio show together in about 2011 called not just cricket and they needed a host, someone who did new radio stuff, but also wasn't a sports pundit, but and sort of out of that world, and I guess at the time, young. So I was, so I was sort of drafted in to be the mediator between those two to get all their stories out, because they're both playing at the time, obviously, together. And we just did that, and it was the most nerve-wracking

thing I've ever done, because obviously I was a massive fan of both of them. And I'd never met them before the first show, so I went to Salford to do the show, and I'd never met them, and I'd sort of prepare this show and I was like, so I'm going to ask you a bit about the ashes and what it's like in the dressing room. And they were really nice. I mean, they are, Jimmy's a bit intimidating even now, but they're just really sweet and they were very grateful that I'd done it. But at that time, they were really sort of,

they were as fascinated with the sort of music and radio world as I was with the cricket world. So it's quite nice to, I took them along to a few festivals and stuff. I took them to Reading Festival and stuff. and they had a great time. So in return for some tickets to the test match, obviously. I think I've been on that show. I think me and Lauren came on it

when... Years ago. Trent Bridge. Yeah. Yeah. When I was young, yeah. Yeah, when we were all young. Yeah, it was a really fun show,

but we didn't do it that regularly. We had bank holidays and we had sort of specials when there was a big cricketing moment. But then how Taylor Enders came about is that we had a break of a couple of years. And then I just,

I bumped into the five live controller in Solford, and I just went, we're desperate to do a cricket thing. What can we do? We'd love to do something again, me and Jimmy. And he said, oh, we've got these new podcast things we're trying out. We're going to try out a few just podcast-only shows. Do you want to do it with Jimmy? I was like, yeah, of course I do.

And then I chat to Jimmy and said, why don't we? Because Felix had been a guest on not just cricket and was amazing and just had great cricket knowledge and was just really funny. So I called Felix and went, do you want to try this tail-endous thing? We had six shows to do. they gave us six episodes and then here we are 150 episodes later wow love that did you guys come up with the name heylanders did you guys come up with the name that's weird um yeah well yeah it's it's um it's not very humble of me to say that i came up with it

but yeah i came up with it and then it just it it felt like the right name we were really stuck on our name for ages and obviously with me still playing for the ECB I had to be quite careful but we wanted to be called the full tossers at the beginning. Not as what we actually, our first email address was the full tossers at Gmail and then our media manager was like, do you know that literally means what I'm like, oh, yeah, I was like yeah, that sounds right. No boys is a great name. It's a great name. Yeah. I don't know if you were there on Sunday when I was saying this story, but we sometimes you get the odd guy on Twitter he gets a bit like really no balls you know how to trivialise women talking about cricket

by calling it no balls and then he replied saying what's next no tips we were a bit like I'm not sure no tips the cricket podcast has got the same ring to it yeah I mean there's a I can only imagine the sort of yeah the sort of nonsense that gets sent you away but it's uh no it is it is brilliant that I'm so pleased that the BBC brought you in and then basically they basically like bought your fans didn't they and that's it you're basically sold out to the man we'll take it though we'll take it before we go on to a bit more about you do you want to give us a little tour of the where you're living at the minute then

oh yeah yeah can do got this quite quite snazzy bus look oh that's bigger than my part it's nice isn't it that's amazing bigger than this living room yeah look at this this is what jimmy demands a boulder straw is. Yeah, he's not eating them. And then we go down here. Oh, it's Felix White. Oh, hello.

You're live on a no balls podcast. So we're going on a little poor of the bus. Oh, it's massive. So here are our bunks that we've been sleeping in. This is Felix's bunk. This is mine here. Yeah, it's quite small.

And down here we have England's greatest ever bowler, James Anderson, playing Call of Duty. Playing against some 14-year-old French boys. I love that. Is he winning? You're right, mate?

You're winning? You're winning? Yeah. Doing all right. You're live on the podcast, Jimmy. Oh. All right. This is our actual life, by the way.

This is not set up. This is... I'm actually going to get into bed as well now. Are you going for sleep? Okay. Felix is going to go for a little sleep. We'll let them get back. I might join you in a minute, actually.

Oh, yeah. When I've finished in school, I'm going to join you, yeah. So here we go. That's that. We'll leave him to it. Night, mate. Night, mate. Sleep tight, mate.

Love you. I'll beat them a little story later. A little bit about you before we actually talk to you about cricket because that's what we want to do. But what would you actually say your official job title is? Because we asked Chris start this when he came on and he didn't know what to answer. I guess presenter. I don't know, presenter, Jack of All Trades, Master of Numb. Yeah, I don't know, I've always, I guess, I guess professional show off.

Yeah, I like doing, I just like doing, I like doing things and making things and hosting things. So, yeah, it's a load of stuff, really. But I feel like I've managed to sort of satisfy every dream I had when I was a kid. Because I sort of wanted to write stuff. I wanted to make people laugh on a stage, but also I loved radio. kind of all of those things, really, sort of a hybrid. Someone say a hybrid or someone say not good at any of them. Greg James, the hybrid.

What, like what you're going to do for the rest of your life now? A hybrid, how about a hybrid entertainer. Yeah, what you're going to do for the rest of your life if you've ticked everything off that you wanted to be? I quite like to, I quite like to just tour around. I quite like this. You just live in a weird, of weird different world. And I thought, I'm going to have a newfound respect for pop stars that I interview because

I now know why they're so disconnected from reality. It's because they don't have to be connected to reality because they get everything done for them. You get all your meals cooked for you. You get told where to go, you get pushed onto a stage and you go, right, be funny there or sing now, whatever. And you don't have to engage really with the real world, which I think ultimately would make me go insane.

But for a little bit, it's quite fun. So it's going to be a shock to the. the system when you have to start getting up at five o'clock in the morning again? Yeah, yeah, I've just, yeah, a shock system sort of getting up and then going, what was Billy Irish up to yesterday? Okay, great. What's the new, okay, what's the new, okay, what's the new Bieber song? Yeah, okay. No, but I do love that. I love, I really love having lots of different things to do, because I think my brain's quite busy, so I like to, I'm like, right, I'm doing a whole week of, I'm now going to be like in tail enders mode,

or next week we're going to be doing, writing the next kid's book or whatever, so I quite like, having different things to keep it interesting. And I've definitely needed that throughout the pandemic when if you stop and think too much about the world, you go slowly mad. So I'd like to keep busy. I was literally just going to say, how did you keep up with the pandemic?

Because I get the impression, because I listen to your show on the radio, but you're always thinking, like you come up with all these theme tunes and games and funny things to do. And you can just tell that you're always, like imagining things, not imagining things I mean. No, it's true.

I'm always imagining things, yeah. yeah I guess I've sort of always been like that really just thinking of another thing yeah I like to keep my brain busy and also I've just got this amazing job where I can I've got an amazing team that I work with that I can just say oh how about this is the thing and then another person will go oh yeah we could do it this way

and then someone else goes yeah we can make that and then suddenly it becomes bigger so I just I really like working with people on stuff and that's why I think one of the reasons tell end has worked so well is that I don't want to I don't necessarily want to be front and center the whole time. And that was, even though the breakfast show,

it sounds a bit stupid considering I do the breakfast show, but I'm not, it's not like, it isn't all about me. It's very much, I'm sort of conducting it. And I love that role of conducting it and like bringing a listener in or like a funny guest or a funny sound effect or a Greg Wallace,

clip. I quite like the role of ringleader, I think. So yeah, it's nice to, I feel like I'm in a circus. And I'm just going like, Bring the lion on.

Okay, here we go. Here's an elephant on a bike. It must be really shit getting up in the middle of the night to go to work. I try not to moan about that because it's not the middle of the night really. My alarm goes up at 10 past 5 and that's it's fine.

The hardest thing is not waking up or going to bed early. The hardest thing is actually being good at 7 o'clock. I think that's the thing that I think you can moan about is that because you've just got to, because normally when you wake up, if you're waking up for school or whatever, you don't actually have to be functioning till 9.30 or whatever,

because you can sort of get through registration and whatever. But with that show, I have to be my best at seven. And that can be quite difficult sometimes. But I still love it so much. Have you had a few drunk shows? A few. Yeah, you can do a couple. You can't, you, yeah, it's better to,

I bet it's a land a drunk show on a Friday, I find. Yeah. Weirdly, one of my saddest shows this year was, I'd just come back off holiday, and I decided to go to the Oval for the 100 on the Sunday night. And it was that match where I think the women's game was completely rained off, but they managed to squeeze in 65 balls of the bloke's one. And it was the one where Alex Hales got hit in the bollocks twice.

Great game. Actually, on the back of that, we made him an ambassador of. the podcast because no balls so he got invited in yeah yeah so um i went to the oval that night and then i got really overexcited so it's quite a nice evening in the end until about five ciders and then the next day i thought oh my god i've got to get up oh my god and i just thought monday drunk show is is the worst one because nobody has any sympathy with you because they're like it's monday come on you say you say your alarm's not in the middle of the night me and all after your tail end of show on Sunday,

our alarms went off at quarter past 11 because we had an appearance at 12, and we were both in this living room like, this is too early. So could you imagine how we would be if we did more on radio? Yeah, fact. You do sort of, you sort of get used to it.

You never feel okay with it, but you know that because you did it the day before, you're like, okay, I can do it. I might feel a bit awful for a bit, but it's a great time to be on the radio, actually, because people are really listening. They're like they really need something to get them going in the morning.

So it's a nice responsibility to have, I think. So me and Al have both had BBC blunders. I don't know if you've got some. Al's was that she spoke into an ice cream live on television instead of... I played that on my show. Do you know the other night? I accidentally spoke into my beer instead of the microphone as well. I was like, why wasn't you again?

mine was I actually sang Adele live over a BBC news broadcast way back about four years ago yeah probably one of my highlight low lights of my career you were doing something on Brexit and I had a microphone and someone told me it was off and I was singing a Dell anyway what is your biggest BBC blunder that you've had yeah I'm not well there's been loads of little things I called someone from Pendulum the wrong name and then I started arguing with him that his name was this name that I thought

was like, no, no, you're from Gareth, aren't you? Like I just was so confident that he wasn't called Rob or something. And I was like, no, no, you are, you're Gariff, aren't you? He's like, no, I'm Rob. No, no, no, no, no. It was the worst ones that I do regularly is that I'm now not allowed to have festival lineups before the day of announcement

because I always give away the detail. and actually caused a security issue in Whitby because Coldplay were playing at Whitby Abbey for the big weekend. And I said it, I said that they were performing, but we weren't allowed to say they were there because of crowds and COVID and stuff. And my big boss rang me up and went, you know, we've got to go and we've got to spend,

we've got to spend a lot of money now on extra security for Coldplay because of you. And they said it might actually be. be called off forever because of what you've done wow you never really leave school do you you're always you always can still get bollocks no matter how old you are oh yeah that's a good blunder so you're never allowed to know festival lineups anymore no as soon as i do the announcement for it it's like one minute beforehand they put the bit of paper underneath my nose and go here's the lineup you can't you there's no way you can mess this up now so there'll be people that when you say on the radio that you don't know

the lineup would be like yeah whatever yeah no it's true yeah it's now it's now true yeah i'm not allowed to know all of that so we had to quiz jimmy on this when he came on our pod yeah who didn't want the crossover come on spill the beans who didn't want a cross over but what was in the podcast there's nobody we're all up for it every time we tried to this has been in the pipeline for like a year and every time we tried to organize it we we didn't get it in and then we asked jimmy and he was like maybe it was matching. Maybe it was

the way. Maybe it would feel it. Let's blame it. Let's blame it on matching. I don't think, I don't think there's any one. The problem is that we, it's very difficult to get us four together.

So to try and get us four plus you two together in the same place at the same time. Because Jimmy's had, I don't know if you've noticed, but Jimmy had quite a busy summer where he wasn't really talking to many people. And there were bits where there were bits where things were going really, really well. So he was too excited. to talk and there were bits where the series

was going really, really badly. Never was too excited to do anything. No, but there was, there were times where he was just like too, too, sort of like buzzing that he was playing so well to actually pin him down. So I think there were very few moments where everything was just normal that we could have got together. So

I don't think there's anyone. I think if you're going to blame someone, it should blame matching. Yeah, it's matching. Well, we've made a running joke of it in our podcast in the last couple of months, but we actually said on Sunday that we're going to do a proper in the studio, in Solford and have a night out after it. So we've said it now live in the pod, so it's got happened.

Sorry. Yeah, we're going to go to Mojo's and we're going to. Oh yeah, we need to talk about the thing that happened in the dressing room, don't we? Yeah. In Manchester, which I wonder if there were, oh no, maybe we don't. Maybe in the cold light of day it's not as good. But there was a story which Alex and Kate told us in the dressing room,

which changed, maybe changed my life forever. and it involves quite a famous cricketer and quite a famous cricketer's dad who accidentally texted them a message that was meant for their mum but it was a really, really saucy message and we may or may not have told you that story

after a few babies and it's one of my favourite stories of the whole week maybe the whole year but yeah look we will we will happily come and do a show and solve with you and we would love to go to Mojo's afterwards and then all back to Jimmy's house. Sounds great.

On our podcast, we do a section called Trough and Peak of the Week. So one moment that's been really shit and one moment that's been really good. Crossy, do you want to go first? So, yeah, both of my Trough and Peak involves your show. So I thought we can bring you into this. So if you rack your brains now

and think about your best thing that's happened this week and your worst thing, but we'll tell you are, so you get an idea of it. So my trough of the week was when we came back out for the second part of the show, I actually tripped over the curtain

just coming on. And I was like, oh, for God's sake, like literally tripped onto the stage. Yeah, how embarrassing. That is a good trough. I didn't notice that, actually, but thanks for telling me. Nice, good.

My trough is how, severely hung over I was the day after. Yeah. It was severely hung over the day of the show as well. She'd threatened not to come. Yeah, I did. Oh, I know. You said that on stage as well. You're like, I knew I didn't come here.

Podcast purposes. Yeah. Trough for me, it was probably the minute we got onto the bus, I was the tour bus, I was told by the driver not to sleep with my head in the direction of travel. sleep with your feet facing forwards in case of a crash because you're less likely to be seriously injured into your, in your head. So that was a, that was a pretty low point, a low start to the floor. Maybe don't tell me that first. Like, before, welcome me onto the bus first,

have to sit down for a bit and then at bedtime maybe tell me that. But it's like the first thing to say, make sure you don't sleep with your head there because your head will go through the wall. Oh, cheers. And what, what? She's like, what's my peak of the week? My peak. Do you know what? My peak's probably last night in Portsmouth where there was a couple called Mark and Louise

and Mark proposed to Louise live in the audience. Please tell me she said yes, unfortunately. I'll tell you what, if my future husband proposes me in public, I'm going to put him in the bid. Yeah. Yeah, I get a bit funny about that. Yeah. It's not for me.

But she loved it. Mark and Louise, she loved it, you know. Well, congratulations, Mark and Louise. Yeah, congrats. Yeah. You got a peak of the week? Yeah, peak of the week. I mean, I got two.

One of them has to be the fact that Apollo sent happy birthday to me on my 30th birthday. It's not getting better than that. I might as well, I might as well get back now. And the second one was someone shouted something about spuds to us, which is one of our ongoing jokes on the podcast as well. And I was like, I think our podcast life has peaked. Yeah.

Mine is that somebody in the crowd asked Jimmy Anderson which player past and present he would like to go on a night out with and we didn't know these questions were coming and he said Merv Hughes and I turned around to cross and he went

I've been on a night out of Merv Hughes and she was like to say it so I was like I've been on a night out of Mervues Yes you have been a night out of Mervues Was it just you and him by the way Was it like in a touring party because I know he does tours, isn't he? No, it was so

I played for the Australian equivalent of the MCC when I went over there and he played almost every game And one game we played, we had a few drinks afterwards, and ended out going out into Melbourne. Proper icon, legend. This was eight years ago, so, you know. Yeah. We just thought that probably looked like it was staged, but that question got asked and Jimmy said that name.

And I was like, that is the biggest coincidence that could have happened live on a show. I don't think anyone in the audience thinks any of it staged. They don't think there's enough that much thought that's gone into it. That is true. Right, moving on. We have a quiz that we do with all of our guests. Normally, it's based around their cricket careers. We don't know enough about your World Club cricket career. Sorry, we do know you've had Jay-Zam out in the nets, though,

so we thought we'd bring that up just to drop that in. So we've just got some random questions that we'd ask you about cricket instead. If you were to take later. Go for it. Nice one. Let's do it. Play white ball cricket or red ball cricket. Red ball cricket.

Would you rather be a batter or bowler? Would you rather win an Ashes or a World Cup? Ashes. Would you rather be a groundman or an umpire? Groundsman, 100%. I'd love to be, I'd like to be a groundsperson, actually. Grounder. I'd love to be a grounder.

I'd love to be a ground person. I do think at some point in the future of Tehrlanders, we will have a cricket club. And Jimmy will run the bar and we will have, we'll just run it all of us and I'll be the groundsperson, head to ground person. Do you know what? I think probably I'm at my happiest when I'm mowing grass

and that's an exclusive for the No Bulls podcast. Wow. I find it so peaceful. I love it. Wow, okay. Would you rather take a fast for I to score 100? 100. Every day of the week.

Would you rather hit the winning runs or take the final wicket? Winning runs, the glory, always, always, always, carrying your back. The final wicket, though? No, winning runs is the best moment. That is my favourite memories of playing cricket. If you went, did you just hit the winning runs?

My God, you're like, God. No, I'm challenging you on this, because you hit the winning runs, you've got one person out there to celebrate with. You take the winning wicket, you've got everyone there. Yeah, but everyone at under 14's level, everyone runs onto the field. Yeah, it's very beautiful.

By the way, not that I still play under 14s. That was me when I was 14. Okay. Yeah, that would be illegal. And last one. Who's your favourite umpire in the world? Historically, I think Steve Buckner is my favourite umpire just because of his incredible, like his face was amazing.

And he was slow, painful. And he would just literally, you'd see him just go, out. And he would say out so slowly. So Steve Buckner, I think, legend. Okay. We've got another section on the podcast called the LBW section. So loosely related to cricket, but it's something that you do that you don't think's weird. But when you tell someone else are like, whoa, that is such a little bit weird. There was one the other night. I said it the other night. I'm going to say it again now. I turn my phone off. Yeah.

I love you turning my phone off and Alex Alex was like you turn your phone off yeah I love turning my phone off but you don't only turn it off you leave it in another room and go to bed without it in your person

I do yeah I leave I leave the stressful object elsewhere in the house but what is strange about that is you've got an actual alarm clock as well then I've got an alarm clock

and I've got a special secret phone that only a couple of people know the number of and it's in case I've oversleep so my producer can call me in the morning and say, get the fuck up, you're late. But I've got an alarm clock. Do you still have a fax machine?

I wish. I wish. Yeah, fax machine, answering machine, pager. So we've got a couple that we want your opinion on it. They're a couple of our favorites for LBW. So someone emailed us to say their friend carpeted their bathroom.

No. I'm not into that I'm not into a carpeted bathroom It's very It's very sort of 80s And 70s 80s that is I just don't I don't think that it's not necessary now It's also really unhaugated

It's moldy isn't it? Yeah so unhygienic awful I think of all the things that accidentally drop on a bathroom floor Accidentally yeah Especially as a blow You don't know where you're aiming Someone got in touch and said that someone in the village takes their Hoover on holiday

what yes all right you have to check yeah who's checking in at Henry we didn't think about Henry we thought about the big dice and trying to get that in your suitcase

but you'd have to just check it in and just leave it because it's quite a nice image of just seeing Henry sort of just happily going around the carousel quite like that yeah

yeah why not we've got some live ones as well we've not been through yet So someone emailed us in saying that when I used to run, I'd avoid running under signposts or scaffolding on pavements if possible. Or if it was unavoidable, I'd try to hold my breath whilst doing so. Not the smartest thing for an asthmatic. A lot of people do this.

Jimmy's quite like this. Are you like this? Because you're, you know, obviously as sports people, there are superstitions in the dressing room. But are you like that? Because Jimmy's very much like that. She is. Oh, yeah. She'll push me into the road once so I didn't walk over them.

I was like, hang on, what's more games? What's on looking at it? Got a couple of mates like... Yeah, right. So Jimmy, we were given little luggage tags for the tour. And he's his number 12 and mine's number 13. And he said, oh, I would never have taken 13 because that's the level of superstition.

I mean, that is ridiculous, isn't it? But I mean, holding your breath whilst running, and you're asking, it sounds potentially fatal. Do you salute at Magpies? Yeah, I do actually. Sophie Haclston does that and I never saw it, like, didn't grow up with that. And she was in the car and she was like this. And I was like, what you do?

Oh, those magpies. And then you see another one. You say, good morning, Mr. Magpie and the same to your wife or something. Yeah, I do that. You go, morning, Mr. Magpie, and the very best wishes to your wife. How to look like a lunatic in public? Yeah, exactly. Have we got any more or should we let Greg go?

No, I think we should let you go. We've taken too much of your time. We have. And also, Crossie's wearing a merch look. Oh, the Telanders merch. Yeah. So thank you very much for joining us. It's Matching Tendorka.

Hello, my name. What are you looking for? iPhone charger. iPhone charger. All right. Thanks so much for having me on the No Bulls podcast. No, thank you for coming on. And good luck tonight.

I hope it goes well. Thank you. Cheers. Thanks, good. See you later. Hi. I think I love Greg James I knew I loved Greg James

before he came on the podcast before we went on the show on Sunday because I love his radio show Do you think like he was saying it's really surreal that he was a massive fan of Jimmy and now they're friends? Yeah. Are we going to be friends with Greg James?

Imagine. I mean he is coming for a night out when we do the show in Solford. I've got his number. Oh yeah. I probably got his burner phone that only his producer has. No, he said,

said there's only a select special few who've got that, so you've definitely not got that number. But what an episode, what a week, what a birthday, probably the best summer of my whole entire life, like genuinely, and we're going to have a break? They asked us live on the show on Sunday, didn't they?

Like, what was our highlight of the summer? And I gave such a cliche answer, but it was so genuinely true, but all of it, like I don't have a low light. And like, do you know what? we talk so often on this podcast about cricket self for failure you have so many bad days in it more bad days than good and i genuinely hand-on-heart think i've had more good days than bad this year because you're good at cricket again again yeah i don't know how that happened you are winning that

life aren't you i feel like it but this tell you what this time last year you were pulling me out of that black hole you were you looked ill i was i was more gray than you on the hangover so i think tiny bit of sentimental stuff then we'll go just goes to show if you're going through a tough time it does get better I remember saying to you you've just got to ride the wave and you're going to have bad days

but then some days are going to be better and things do get better they do and that's I think something not even just in sport but I always say to people who are struggling with mental health that you're just in a tunnel and it's very dark at the minute but there's always a light at the end of the tunnel

and we don't know how long the tunnel is. Yeah. Some tunnels are longer than others. They are. Some are just bridges. Some are just bridges. I went under a bridge on Monday.

You nearly went off the bridge on Monday. Yeah. Guys, we're going to have a two-week break because the Dame Kate Cross is going on holiday. And then when she gets back, I go on holiday. So we're going to have a two-week break. So go back and listen to the small episodes because we actually know that everyone's doing that

because we've seen some numbers and they are great. Yeah, we're top of the charts, baby. If you want to email us in the meantime, it's no-balls podcast at bbc.co.com. No-bullspodcast at bbc.com.com. It's so good. They said it twice. See you. Have a good holiday, everyone. Bye.

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