Test Match Special - No Balls: The Cricket Podcast - Glenn Maxwell Special

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

Kate and Alex speak to Australian all-rounder Glenn Maxwell about *that* double-century he hit against Afghanistan in the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup. He talks about exactly why he was on one leg and what him and captain Pat Cummins were talking about on the crease to get him through what will go down as one of the greatest innings of all time.

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time last year, just after the T20 World Cup. He's back playing cricket for Australia and what legend he is. Al, this never, ever happens, but we have got the man of the moment, record breaker, history maker, Glenn Maxwell has joined us on the podcast. Hello, Glenn. Hello, girls, how are we going? good thank you how are you yeah it looks pretty tired and sore still um it's been a pretty wild couple of days um obviously letting everything sink in and um

i suppose try to reflect and and i suppose move forward but yeah it's been pretty wild it's it's pretty rare that i get that much positive um i suppose feedback in socials and um and yeah, it's just been incredibly, incredibly overwhelming and they're very lucky to share it with the family over here at the moment. Well, quite often, Glenn, you're blamed when Australia lose. So the fact that you pulled that out your ass is actually unbelievable. Well, there's a thing, I reckon I've been in that situation about, I don't know, 40 or 50 times. And maybe, maybe at the best possible result, I get a 50,

and then play a shocking shot to get out and just watch social media light up with how shit I am and how I should be dropped and should never play for Australia ever again. So it's a nice change to have some positivity on my phone. Did I see correct with that you played golf the next day? Oh, not a chance. No. there was a big crew of guys that either drove the night after the game

or in the morning that went and played golf and I was never playing but I was down to play golf today and I pulled out as well just haven't recovered quite as well as I used to recover when I was a bit younger takes me a little bit longer to I suppose get over hot games and let's be honest I haven't faced a hundred balls ever before

and in one day so it's a new experience how is the body like seriously so when you get cramp I've only ever had cramp right in bed after a night out and you can have sore calves

for like four days after and you're like oh god that's sore you had full body cramp you were like on the floor like a fish out of water we'll go into that in a little bit longer how is the body now well it all started when i started having a bit of a stiff back which then became sort of back spasms

throughout the middle of meanings um and i think that was just from a fielding during the heat of the day bowling turnovers in a few different spells um diving around the field a little bit and then sitting down for what it felt like about an hour an hour and a half maybe after the um fielding so i sort of just almost froze up a little bit um before i went to out and batted and once I started to get back in my jeans I just like I've just got stiff and sore and then just different body parts started going at different times so the first thing that started going was the middle toe on my right foot that just started to like start to bend back and I was like oh no this is going to be horrible and like the next few overs it was just so

frustrating because I just I remember the feeling just like trying to try to face up knowing that my foot was just about to go into cramps and so I'm looking around going oh no I'm not going to be able to run soon this is this is horrible it watching it so I was driving back from I think I was driving back from luffra and I got into the house and two of the thunder girls are here and it didn't have the telly on I was like girls you really need to put the TV on because I think that Maxwell's going to do something unbelievable and I think you were like 120 not out at this point and I'm thinking there is there's no way that he can do this because I think he'd started cramping at that point so I was like there's no way that he's going to stay out there this entire time and do the

unthinkable and then you did like how how did you get through it well well you're funny at that stage I think it was about 80 85 balls which is way past by normal limits like my limit my My limit's in between 40 and 50, and then I'm pretty much okay with that. But, yeah, so I think once I got past that stage, and I did get, obviously, full body cramps, so I was in a bit of trouble. I'm so sorry for laughing, but it was so funny. It was the funniest innings, Glenn, I have ever, ever seen, like, genuinely.

And I felt bad for laughing at you, but I knew it was cramped, and we just couldn't help ourselves. well the fact that me and patty were laughing the whole innings out there together anyway so it sort of just it ended up just been a gigantic sort of in joke and even like when i was shuffling between wickets and like looking up the change rooms i could see them all laughing at the same time as well so it sort of it sort of took the sting out of it like it didn't feel like there was added pressure or anything like that so it wasn't sort of battling oh like we could we could almost pull off a miraculous win it was just like this would be so fun funny if we got this done. And I'm waddling in between, waddling between overs and every single was funny. And, yeah, I think that was just it. It sort of took the sting out of any sort of pressure of the game. So what was coming on? What was the physio bringing on? Because your physio weren't his keep that night? Oh, yeah. That's my question. Was it pickle juice and did you spit or swallow? He gave me pickle juice and I spat it out.

I haven't had pickle juice for like 10 years. And as soon as I had it, I was like, oh, I remember why I don't ever use this. And obviously, it tastes like a cheeseburger, a McDonald's cheeseburger. And like, I remember spitting out and just going, it just feels like the last thing in the world I need right now. So once that, that didn't really help at all. But what he did do, he gave me some really good advice throughout the inning. especially when I've obviously seized up completely.

He basically just said if you do come off now, I don't think you're going to be able to come back on and go again. So if you can stick it out for a little bit longer and see how you go, maybe just don't run, stay at one end for a little bit. We'll see how you go. And that was good advice. We stopped running. We stopped pretending to try and sort of get up the other end.

It was just stick there for a little bit and see how you go. can you can you take us into the middle can you like tell us what you and pat comins are talking about for like you were 90 what were you 91 for 7 yeah so when he came out it was literally no chat about um oh let's build a partnership let's dig in and anything of that's like all right well good luck um little bit of spin um let's just see how we go and then like there was like one there was a wide at one stage and I sort of, I went down and laughed and even went, don't worry, we'll get these in extras. They'll, they're giving us runs.

Like, no, all worries. And then, I think, the scoreboard flashed up that they were four overs behind and Pat comes down and goes, oh, they're four overs down. Don't worry, we'll get them the last four overs when they've got an extra field or inside the ring. And this is still like 20 overs to go. And we knew that we were facing, like, the next 25 overs of spin. So it was just, it was great fun out there.

And we just sort of, I suppose, took the Mickey out of each other so much out there. Oh, not to the Mickey. It just, like, had a smile on our face the whole time, whatever we were doing. And just tried to keep it as chilled out and laid back as we possibly could. And it didn't really talk about winning until probably got down to the last maybe 10 overs. where it was starting to get, all right, well, now we can actually start to concentrate on, all right, we're not in any run rate pressure, so let's just eliminate the running and just pick and choose, like, what we want to do.

When you went out in the middle, did you feel pressure? Because obviously, nine and a half times out of ten, you're not winning that game of cricket. So was it like that... Ten out of ten times, you're not winning that game of cricket. It's mad. I don't, I can't remember what I felt. I remember feeling a bit nervous because I've been in, I've been like in on a few hat-trick balls in one-day cricket

where I've come out and you turn around, it's like the 15th over, but you've got two or three slips. And it's generally not the worst time to bat as a middle order player who plays their shots anyway. It's like, well, as long as it doesn't swing or seem early on in my innings, I feel like I can get a few away and get a bit of a head start and put them under a bit of pressure. When I nicked that first ball

and it only went halfway to the keeper. I was like, well, that's a bit of luck to start. That's nice. I just thought I'd nicked off on a hatchet ball. Landed about three metres in front of the keeper. So, yeah, I had pieces of luck like that through the innings. I particularly enjoyed the drop-it-short fine. Yeah, I certainly did too.

I was sort of walking off going, well, that's it. Oh, that's handy. All right, well, we'll stick around. But little things like that, even the LBW, where I thought that felt dead plum and it was just going just over. I think if you're going to have a successful run chase like that where I think it was our highest ever run chase in a World Cup, you need a few things to go your way and not much when our way in the first probably 15 or 16 over is pretty much everything we did wrong.

We lost a wicket and we needed something to change and luckily the luck sort of turned our way. Has it sunk in like how good you were, like genuinely, because we all know and we're all talking about how good you were, but do you realise how good you were? No. Like it's, I understand the magnitude of the stats and all that sort of stuff, but in my mind and how I was feeling out there, it just felt like it was just me and Pat Cummins having fun.

Like it was, we were so far removed, I think, from. like we're going to win this match and this is how we're going to do it. It was so far removed from my thoughts. It sort of just happened so naturally and I haven't had that too many times in my career. I've had maybe instances where I've played good at Eames with the lower order and to a lesser scale, but never to, I suppose, that scale on a World Cup to get us in semifinals it's it's it's pretty cool to look back on but I think I still think if we don't win this World Cup it probably won't mean as much going

forward like it'll be it'll be amazing but I'd like to hope that it's it puts us on that path to winning it back to when you were full body spasm and cramps there was a really sweet moment where the umpire came and held your hand because there there was no one around you at that point and you were just holding the umpire's hand and it felt like it was just like it was just a really sweet moment where everyone was really willing you to to be okay well i think because i started i started breathing really fast and it was almost like i was going to shock um because i i did come back i said it's this i told i told bini more wife i said that's the second most pain i've ever been in um and everyone knows the first so it was it was

the worst feeling ever, because as soon as I cramped calf on the right leg and hamstrue on the left side, both my legs were gone, and then I spazzoed in my back. I'm just replaying. So my whole body's like sort of shake, and then I started shaking because I couldn't get, I felt like I couldn't get any air in, and then the umpies sort of came down. It's like, it's like, stay down, stay down, stay down. And then obviously the physio came out and started trying to control my brain. breathing, so it was probably just a little bit of panic because I just didn't know what to do

because I was in so much pain but didn't know how to stop it. Like, I couldn't reach my legs to pull or push or lift. Is there like an understanding from the umpires in that point of view? Because obviously you're stopping the game every like couple of balls at one stage and they keep coming up to you. Are they saying he kind of hurry up here, Glenn? Well, probably the one thing we did wrong was I called for the physio earlier in the innings just to get a push through my back and in my mind I was like I just wouldn't mind a little break here

so I was like I'm just having a few like sort of back issues could you just give us a just give us a push through like the lower back and he's like yeah no worries and he went to push on my lower back and I spasms up the top of my back and I went nope no no no we can't touch that no no no so I was like I wasted a physio time out there because I think you can only get two before they say look you've got to go yeah um so they were about to basically say you're off but you had 22 I had a lot but I only had two physio timeouts as such he came out a few times but they weren't actually timeouts um he came out drinks for one of them which was handy Did you ever think when you scored that 40 Ball 100 a couple weeks ago that that's going to get forgotten about because you've scored a 200 not out in the most mad run chase in the whole world?

Yeah, look, I thought I thought getting a 40 Ball 100 was going to be probably the personal highlight. but to I suppose double that it's quite you're mad you are so mad are you so good Glenn just tell us how good you are I don't know like it was just it was just weird but it didn't

it just didn't feel we it didn't feel right because me and Pat were just literally taking then like just just having the good school yard fun it felt like we were laughing together we weren't taking runs like we were like patty was standing three meters behind the crease at one end just sitting on his back um laughing at one stage at one stage bat under his arm just clapping and laughing um it felt like it almost felt like a bit of a training session where like at some stage one of us is going to get out doing something and it just didn't happen so I was, yeah.

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Like to face 60 balls and score like 10 runs, he's done the team a huge favour there as well. Could the man be any more perfect if he tried? He is just, he is so good. And out there, he was so calm and cool. Like, there was a couple of balls from Nora Ahmed that he was like playing defensively and then he'd missed one by about

six or seven inches and he came down and he was like I was starting to read him really well then he bowled me that wrong and I thought was a leggy and then I went nope back to square one thought I was picking him turns out it wasn't we can't even forget that you've missed the game as well

like so you've had your 4,400 you missed the game because you've fallen off a golf buggy and you've come back like you never went away yeah the weak break wasn't actually the worst, was it? I was over a re-fresh and I suppose get myself getting myself

I suppose ready for that game and it was probably lucky I did because the first innings it was pretty steamy and humid out there. I haven't been in conditions like those for a while and a bit surprising because we trained the day before and I'm not normally

a big one for training the day before the game I won't generally do too much and the temperature we trained in the afternoon and it was absolutely beautiful. Temperature was nice and cool, nice breeze coming through at the middle of the ground and I thought, oh, hopefully it's exactly the same tomorrow. They're expecting the same temperature and it was just, it felt about 15 degrees hotter out there. It was, it was ridiculous and I think the other aspect of the crowd screaming at you the whole time as well, like just made it feel a bit hotter and obviously

the intensity of a World Cup match. But yeah, those first 15 overs of that match, I was cooked. I I went off the ground and had to try and sort of cool myself down, which was not the ideal way to start the game, but at least it finished well. I think other than watching you back, my favourite thing about the whole thing has been the social media afterwards. Like Pat Cummins' tweet about how good your contribution to the partnership was. But there's this unbelievable photo that Vinny put on her Instagram

of you walking up the stairs and all the crowd are like leaning to try, and get closer to it and it's like Maxwell 32 it just look it's just such a wicked photo yeah there's been some pretty iconic photos on those stairs i think of obviously satchen um and he's 200 tests walking up and it's probably the most the one that sort of um comes to mind and to sort of have your own little piece of history um with a special moment like that it's it's It's pretty amazing and, as I said, it's something that at the end of this tournament, end of my career I can sort of look back on and be really proud of. And I suppose share with my family going forward.

But yeah, it's one of those things that will be nice to reflect on once this all is done. So after an inning's like that, you know, you go home, you do all, you have all your tabs and you get hydrated, you might have beer, you get a good night's sleep. Did you get a good night's sleep? So I ended up getting to sleep at about maybe 3.30, quarter to four, adrenaline in pain, like, couldn't switch off, and woke up at about 7.30 maybe a little bit earlier and it was back on dad duties with little Loki. So I was a busy man in the morning.

And then we had the bus journey as well, which there wasn't any sleep on that. Had an interesting bus ride with the little fella. And then, yeah, I suppose I've just sort of been battling to try and get my body ride. I've got the, I'm not sure if you've seen the leg pumps or use them before. I've got them in my room. I've got the game ready in my room. So I'm just like basically going from one machine to the other to try and sort of rehab and get myself right for the next couple of games. and having a chat to us in between

I always got time for you too don't worry so Logan you last came on this podcast in God it would have been 20 20 I think it would have been lockdown wouldn't it so you're a dad now

are you a little bit worried that Logan has well not worried I guess but like he has seen you at your absolute best you've set the standard pretty high from Glenn he wasn't there No, Crossie, I got a text from Vinny saying, what's going on at the cricket? I've had to take Logan home.

I said, turn the telly on. Well, okay, so he's missed it. So, anyway, he can watch the highlights package on YouTube. He'll find it one day, I'm sure. I was sitting there trying to, like, calm him down last week, sitting there with him on my lap, and, like, he sort of heads going all over the place, kicking everything. and I put the highlights of 100 against Netherlands, like, on the screen.

He actually calmed down. Vinny's got a photo. I'm sure she'll send it to you. Of him just, like, sitting there just watching it. And, like, finally, all his limbs just, like, sort of soften, and he relaxed and started watching that. So even at eight weeks, I think he's, we're starting to drill him into, like, watching cricket highlights and getting used to it.

I think what my question was is, Has being a dad just changed, like, perspective for you now with cricket? Because it does feel like since Logan's arrived, you've just gone back to being your absolute best. Like, do you think there's an element of being a dad in there? Yeah, I feel like a lot of people that have, obviously, players have had kids that then come out and play. A lot of them have always talked about the perspective on the game changing and almost freeing them up in a, in a way. way. And I certainly feel like that, especially like what Vinnie arrived, Vinnie and Logan arrived just before the Netherlands game. And for the first month, I was really missing

him. It was pretty hard, obviously, knowing that your newborn sons at home alone with his, with his mum. And there's obviously people coming in and helping out. But you're just missing, it feels like almost the best part of their life where they're growing and developing. to have them over here it sort of took a weight off my shows i was worried about obviously the stress that i was putting on my wife while leaving them at home and um but yeah to have them both over here is it's taking a load off my mind that knowing that i can now help them both out and um give her a chop out when she needs that just to do normal things like go the bathroom by herself have a shower like just do like eat um just to just do like eat um just to

so that she can function and it's certainly made both of our lives a lot easier since she's come over and and i think the cricket's probably emulated that i feel like i'm not as i suppose not as highly strung knowing that that one of the stresses in my life has sort of been taken away by them being here so even though it does it can affect your sleep it can make you a little bit more tired but it's it's so much more worth it when they're both here sharing this journey with you and you know that you can help them out and make their lives a bit easier. So your last inning to Glenn has gone down the best ever in ODI history. What is next for Glenn Maxwell?

What more can you achieve? Well, I think I've also had the worst innings in World Cup cricket history. I've sort of been at both ends of the spectrum. I suppose that's the thing. with a couple of games to go in this World Cup is the ability to try and stay grounded and not sort of take that and just go, I'm just going to play like that all the time

to be able to, I suppose, draw on that and go draw confidence from the fact I've been able to finish a game off and hit the winning runs and try and make that a habit, I suppose, going forward in these next couple of games and hopefully other teams, I suppose had that in the back of their mind

it can be almost a mental thing against opposition if there's someone in the other team where you go the game's not over until you get them out and we feel that against England with a couple of their players it's like no they're still a person to come in not in this honour surely

look maybe not in this tournament but you know even just Butler hasn't had the tournament that he would have liked but you know that if he's there there's still a chance that he could pull off something brilliant with the amount of skill and ability he has and what he has done in the game. So there's always that element. And that's always the challenge, I suppose, when you're playing against oppositions with players that can take a game away from you in a space of a couple overs.

You said, and we've got a little WhatsApp group, and you said that nothing has been more certain than you getting a first ball duck in the next game. Yeah, I've just As long as I get through one ball I've said that since the fact of study out I just need to get through that first ball Yeah It can be such a mental block It's like you go out with all the best

You go with all the best intentions And it all just falls apart Once you watch that ball go sailing towards mid-off And you'll walk off And you'll walk off thinking that you just got a good one early done that few times well glad we don't want to keep you we actually don't want to keep you for too long and we appreciate you coming on but you've played the most entertaining thrilling ridiculous innings i'll ever see and i i just want to ask you how does it feel to actually be a salmon

never ever go full salmon never that's a life lesson that everyone could follow Before we let you go, a great of Australia cricket is retired today, and the game in Australia around the world will never be the same without her playing international cricket. I think we should just talk about Meg Lanning for literally two or three minutes, because she is, what a cricketer. Yeah, she's an absolute superstar, Meg. And I suppose I've had the privilege of knowing her since she was about 16 or 17,

played against her when she was playing school cricket. I was playing for the Crusaders and I came up against her and I think she was in Year 10 playing in the Year 12 team. I remember bowling to her and she smashed me everywhere. She was the only one in the team that absolutely whacked the jeezers out of me and I just remember going, my God, this girl is so talented. She's so skilled and, for a while

I remember early days she was dating actually one of the players at my club so she was always around so I was always I suppose watching her progress and how she was going in her career and when she

I remember when she debuted for Victoria there was a lot of hype around it and it was almost like a couple weeks later she was playing for Australia and it felt like a couple weeks later she was captain and then here we are was it 13 years later, announced her retirement. She's had an amazing career, an amazing influence to inspire others

with some of the things she's been able to do on the field. What's the seven World Cup victories? She's been an inspiration of so many. Not just little girls, I'm going to say everyone around the world growing up watching her play. It's that good shot. You can't bowl just slightly back of a length outside off. You know it's going to get cut.

You can put as many points. As many points there as you like, she'll find a gap. She'll just pierce. I just remember her having, it was probably against England. They had like third man, like deep point and three points inside the ring. And she found a gap somewhere. I remember watching her going, come home. I think I was bowling, actually.

Yeah, she was ridiculous. Seriously, because we're still going to be able to see her. I remember whenever you bowl to Meg Lunning, you've got to think, bow, top of leg stump because anything else is wet. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, even her ability to adapt over the years through the formats,

I think, obviously one day cricket was probably the peak at that stage, and then as T-20s started to, I suppose, grow popularity. her second gear and second, third, and fourth and fifth gears to be able to go through that and become a massive force in T20 cricket, which was probably something that she probably didn't initially think she would have been. She probably took that by storm as well and was able to score hundreds in that format as well consistently and quickly as well. It just shows we're a true superstar and Australian cricket's obviously going to miss her but I know all of us players and fans are going to wish her all the best in her next adventure.

I loved your tweet, Al, about everyone, every bowling unit basically in the world is going to be a bit happier now, but everyone else is really sad. Well, playing Australia has got a lot easier in the last few hours now, knowing that she's never going to come back. But we obviously wish you're all the best. She's still going to play cricket, but just not for Australia. And Glenn, we're not just wishing Meg all the best. You have a semi-final spot in this 50 over World Cup.

we are backing you, not Australia, you, because we always want you to do well. But I genuinely believe I've watched a lot of this World Cup. You're the only team that can beat India, so we want to see you lift that trophy and good luck. Thank you so much, girls. Love you both. Love you. Love you too. I think we might be the luckiest people in the world that we can text him 24 hours after he's made history and he's willing to come and chat to us about the probably

best day of his life he's got a kid and he got married but what a guy what a guy what a man what what a cricketer what a podcast giving us the exclusive um and also like still in pain still struggling like i can't believe he was like yeah half an hour every time what was it it's been two days now hasn't it two literally monday was it Tuesday Tuesday and it's Thursday today but like do you know what there was a moment where you were like just tell us how good you are Glenn and There was no way that those words were ever going to come out of his mouth because I still don't think he knows how good his innings was. I think he will realise post-World Cup what he's done this World Cup.

Not only is he had the fastest century of 40 balls against the Netherlands, he's also just got his team to a semi-final single-handedly. That was one of the tweets that I saw that, I can't remember who tweeted it, but someone said, like the difference with how good Glenn Maxwell is is that he's got this ability to win games of cricket by himself and not many people have that ability. And like, I remember just watching it being like, there's not a chance that he can do this.

And he did it so easily. I know, it's crazy, isn't it? Unbelievable. I hope you all enjoyed it because I certainly did. That was amazing. We do owe him. He's been on the pod twice now. So we do.

He does. Rend of the podcast. And also saved us from our jobs because we've not done a podcast all World Cup, which we're sorry for. I had some bad family news. You were really busy, and it's just not work. But we're back.

Yeah, so we joked with him. We said we thought we were going to get sacked, but he might have kept our jobs going for us. So thank you so much, Glenn. The podcast lives on because of Glenn Maxwell, single-handedly. Thanks for listening, guys. You can get in touch for next week on No Bulls Podcast at BBC.com.

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