Test Match Special - Robinson rout continues as Sooryavanshi surges to international stage

Episode Date: June 6, 2026

Simon Mann is alongside former England captain Michael Vaughan and Chief Cricket Commentator Jonathan Agnew for reaction to the third day's play at Lord's where England are in a dominant position against New Zealand.Plus, Simon speaks to Vaughan, Ashes winning bowler Steven Finn, and former New Zealand wicketkeeper Katey Martin about India's teenage sensation Vaibhav Sooryavanshi as he gets called up to the international squad for the first time.

You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. So three days into this test match at Lords. We still await its ultimate conclusion. New Zealand needing 254 to win. He had three small passages of play on the third day. And New Zealand limped along to 55 for 5. We had 21.3 over. So severely rain-shortened third day.

Blundle is there on two. Conway is there on 19. But in the play that we did see England chipped away, Revinja Ball by Robinson for eight and Mitchell, LBW Robinson for two. So two more for Robinson. He's getting seven wickets in the match. So a great return, Michael. Yeah, I mean, he's had perfect conditions. I think he'll be the first to admit that if he was ever going to build himself a pitch. This is the pitch he'd like built for himself. It's just had everything that a seam of, Olly Robinson's class would want there's uneven bounce there's movement he can't have to try too much I love the move of Jamie Smith coming up to the stumps you know to get rid of Dalm Mitchell that was a good piece of taxi I think that instruction came from the balcony actually from bas macullum so that's good from mccullum to kind of lead the way in that front um I've been slightly surprised by new zealand's approach actually because I said last night I think the only way that they win is by causing a bit of chaos now if you haven't got the top orders um top order players generally like to play the way that they play understandably.

I just wonder if it was worth just throwing in someone just to try and swing, just to spread the field. The only way they're going to win this game is if the course care spread the field and then those better balls, you get ones off them because couple points on the boundary, square legs back, mid on and mid off go a bit deeper. So then you can knock it into the gaps on the off side, on side and you get more runs. Clearly you've got to take that risk first and foremost. And if a top order player is not going to want to do that,

would it be worth to send him to Jameson in a little bit early? Maybe that's what they could have done. They haven't. They've tried to play the traditional way. I just feel they play the traditional way. It's just going to be a slow death. I can't imagine anything other than an England win. I can't imagine anything other than England win now

because of the pitch and the situation. But the only glimmer that I could give New Zealand if someone like a Glenn Phillips comes out and wax it with Jameson and the pair there at the middle, suddenly come out tomorrow morning and go, right, just got to be. a swing and try and cause a bit of chaos. If they don't do that, I think they'll get absolutely beating comfortably.

Do you think they should have sent Jameson in already then? It would be a conversation I would have had, yeah, because the only way that they get close to this target is by causing chaos. And if a top order player doesn't want to try and play that way, again, I'd understand it. You know, and this is a radical way, but you're on a pitch that's completely different to what you usually get in test match cricket, and you have to think out of the box. And, you know, I just looked at Olly Robinson, the way that. that he played yesterday, just it was, it was, you know, baseball really, but the field's

spreading. He managed to get a few quite quickly. So yeah, that's the only hope I give New Zealand if they go for that approach. I do agree Michael entirely. It's perhaps sort of an easy decision to take when you're not used to doing that. I mean, England probably more just I mean look at Travis Head at Perth, but I'm really pleased at Robinson. He gives control and I know the pitch has helped him here, but you know, it allows Josh Tongue to come running in and bowls us hostility, other If you've got somebody who's just really steady like that, sort of metronomic, you know, on a flat pitch, you can let your fast bowler go at the other end and try.

I thought it bowed beautifully in very helpful conditions. Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot more you can say about it. It just things that, you know, England, I think, are going to win the game. If New Zealand had held their catches, we wouldn't be sitting here now. It would be a day and a half game. The pitch, we talked about a lot. And clearly that is going to be something that's going to have to come under review from the MCC after this match. I was talking to the cricket director last night, actually.

I mean, he's kind of shattered about the whole thing. Sleepless nights and all that, you know. And of course, you know, the pitch has to be right, doesn't it? The pitch has to be good. And I don't mean good by being flat and being eroded on that either. You want interest in the game. But there's a pattern developing here at Lords and they're going to have to do something about it. Do you think New Zealand would have to have no play?

at all today because the forecast is good tomorrow and the prospect of you know a brighter day actually they're or a batting day tomorrow's yeah yeah absolutely i mean it wasn't easy it's not easy for both sides when you're you're off and on but certainly a chase inside you you want a period of time don't you that you can settle in cause a bit of chaos and then bernstocks has to change his bowlers and work with it more on his tactical side but it's been it's been a nice day for england just a couple of wickets not too many runs for new zealand And England will know tomorrow that if they arrive and just bowl the consistent lengths and lines and hit off stump, that's all they need to do is keep bowling on and around that good length where the ball's going to hit the off stump and I'm pretty sure there'll be five balls with a name or two on it. Yeah, because it's still nearly 200 to win. That's a heck of a lot of runs, isn't it?

In this, and with what the batting has left, yes, I mean, if England would lose from here. I mean, the only thing is that, I'm going to go back to Michael's earlier point. I mean, England's confidence, you know, it's okay, it seems okay, but it's going to be fragile. And if they had just come out, you know, positively and actually got to 70 for two, where it may be, you know, I mean, playing like that, oh, there'd have been some, there'd have been some pressure on. Well, Finney said, Erlin, you'll probably agree as a baller as well, is that what you actually want from a batter on this pitch is to try and play conventionally. You're not going anywhere. You just know there'll be a ball. but what you don't actually want is someone kind of clearing the front side and launching you getting a bit of you you'll need a bit of fortune but you know the ball suddenly starts going over the

slips and then goes to cowcorn and you think where'd you put your fill or I better put a few back and then all of a soon you bowl a good ball and there's a single yeah exactly that's the only way that they can get close to this England target but I think you know the one thing from England they they haven't won yet but they had to win this week you know from 140 all out in on the first thing that I know you you could tell the atmosphere up here was a bit, here we go. You know, New Zealand get 2.15 and they're going to go one and a down. It's going to get messy.

You know, this management team are on that kind of cusp of if they lose a game and the first game of the summer, you know, people will start to say that they made the wrong calling, keep them all together. So it's so important for this team and this management group that they win this week. And it looks like they're going to get that victory. Throughout all this, though, we've got Devon Conway. He's batted for nearly 22 overs for 19. So he kind of just managed to cling on. He's been brave.

He's taking some horrible blows. It has been a brave knock. He's scored a double hundred here. I mean, you know, we're talking about New Zealand's prospects, but he can play. Blundle can play. They're not utterly bereft. But it's just the way that the ball has behaved, isn't it?

I mean, you, if you're about to try and survive, then it suggests in the game so far at least, in the game so far at least it's going to get you in the end isn't it? Is this game being a bit of a lottery really in the sense because of the pitch?

Yeah, yeah but you know two teams have had to play on it and you know Agas mentioned the catching you know of New Zealand so that's skill that's nothing to do with the pitch so you know England

I don't remember them having to catch too many because it's been LBW and bowl so they've bowed better than New Zealand because you'd say that they've Baud Straiter in a better length. And New Zealand in the field, not just they're catching, they've been messy. You know, I think it's been a messy week in the field for New Zealand.

They'd have caught and they've been a little bit sharper in the field. I reckon they could have won this test match. So same for both teams. England so far have been a lot better. They've had a pretty miserable few days actually New Zealand, dropping those catches. They all look at those unpassed calls for the LW. There's another one today.

But you just throw back at the yeah, but you drop those catches. They're going to have to be honest. If they do gripe about the umpires calls, which have had, what, is it three? Do they have had their two in a four now? You know, it's a sort of thing that you can. If you do lose a game, you can kind of focus on negatives like that. What do they've got to put that way? And if they do lose, they come back at the Oval and play better, catch better.

The TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. There is an opening batter, a left-hander who's causing many more headlines at the the moment and that is Suria Vyibab Suria Vanshi in India and he has been picked today in India's T20 squad for the series against Ireland and England they play two testaments a two T20s in Belfast at the end of June India and then they play a five-match series against England which starts in Durham on the 1st of July then games at Manchester Nottingham Bristol and Southampton and we'll bring you those games here on five sports extra um right call michael 15 years of age I mean he's just made 776 runs in the IPL a strike rate of 237 he's he's 15

absolutely it's the right call and I honestly have watched him over the last year or so and you study when he scores his runs and you look at the eliminations in the IPL 15 years of age you got a 97 the next game he gets a 96 you look at an under 19 World Cup final what does he do gets 175. So this kid can just deliver when it really matters. We're watching and studying something very, very, very special. I honestly, at this minute, I think he's the best T20 player in the world. Honestly, strike rates are beyond anything that we've ever seen.

He's hitting Jasbit Brummer's first ball for six. Pat Cummins is first ball for six. Josh Hazelwood's first ball for six. So he's not hitting trundlers. He's damaging the best ballers in this generation. and people are kind of already having huge debates of how to bowl to a 15 year old

we had Liam Livingston on the show we want it to go straight go straight and full you have mid on and off you have your kind of mid off mid off back you miss your length by an inch he's smacking you out of the ground forget where the field is he just hits it over the top of the field

he hits 77 six in the IPL 77 sixes in the IPL more than anyone I mean it was a record that's still, I think, for 14 years, and he's broken it as a 15-year-old. It's his bat swing. He clearly has an incredible eye, but he's clearly got an amazing awareness of the cue of the bowler. So he can assess the field, but, you know, as a batty, you see a cue in what the bowler's going to deliver. The real great players can just see it before the ball's released. It's an action.

You know, they'll see a head drop for the bouncer, they see a little bit more upright for the full of ball. He clearly can see the cues of the bowler early. than many. And he can smack it over extra cover, over deep square leg. He can hit it over third man for six. Teams went short into his right shoulder.

Caused him a couple of problems at the start of this year's IPL. He got out a couple of times playing the hook shot early. Worked that out by the back end. He started to sway and put it over third and then came inside the line and put it over fine leg. Teams have tried to go really wide to him inside the wide line. Put two men out, kind of point, third on the boundary.

He has the game to still use the pace and put it over third man for six. I mean, I've seen many, many great players. There's, you know, the Lars of this, Will Tendell, because brilliant players, Chris Gale in T20 cricket. From what I've seen in a couple of years of studying, Surivanchi, I think he has it in him. And I actually bumped into him in Mumbai a couple of weeks ago. I had a great conversation.

How did you prepare for the game? He said, watching cartoons. I said, oh, are you training and what do you eat? You said, I eat everything. And I just chuck it to me. I said, you could be the first cricketer of all time to retire at 21. It's crazy. And actually, Yassi Shui Jarswa was there.

And Yasserwe's an incredible player. And if you actually look at that T20 squad, start naming the names that aren't in that squad. Surikramar Yadav. Yasiwai Jash well, Shubman Gill. So India have got an incredible group of whiteball cricketers now, which is a real threat to the rest of the world. Can I look at the white ball will come and think, how's anyone going to beat India? You know, they could probably put out three teams across the 50s, across the T-20s.

I'd argue that India would play Indira in the final, and India would beat another Indian side in a semi-final to get to the final. They've got so much talent, so it's down to the rest of the world, really, to try and chase. Yeah, again, I'm in awe of the way that he plays. And I think if you ask the bosses of Geostar who cover the IPL, I think if you said to them, come on, give us your view of ship numbers across this year's IPL. I think they're down by 26, 27%. And then you ask them a question,

but when the kid comes out at the bat, what happens? And Virac Kohl has had that spike. MS. Don has had that spike. I would argue that I reckon this kid is creating a spike across the globe now. I'm on loads of WhatsApp groups, and a lot of my groups are football-orientated. but when the word gets out that he's walking out to back in the IPL, they're all watching him back.

So I think it's the right selection, he's earned the right, and for those five games in the UK in July, this country is going to light up. Bristol, it'll be hitting them down to Taunton. I mean, Bristol's just not big enough for him. It's ground in the world, isn't it, Simon? Well, it used to be a big ground. Those flats will be smashing all the windows.

hitting them onto the downs in in Bristol yeah what's the public sentiment about him because you've been there like is it is he up there now it's like coley dony suri avanshi he's up in that stevehs virat who yeah you know ms who this he's got his own minder you know he strolls through the hotels and i've understandably i've never seen anything like it and you know he you know clearly he's going to be have to be managed you know that's the one thing that i i worry for a young player like that is everything surrounding what it's going to bring and he clearly

at the minute has a good, I think he's at a good franchise in Rajasthan, I think they've got a good management group that will look after him but clearly in India, you know, Virat lives here now because he can't live in India because of the spotlight and not having a normal life with his family and I hope that's not going to be

the case for Surrey Vanshi, but it is going to be the case, isn't it? We know it's going to be the case. I think where it's good for him in India, you know he's got satchen who he could go and sit with and satchin's had to cope with you know being that prodigate since the what 80s you know he's been able to come through and cope with it you know emm s doni verac coli they're all megastars over there so he's going to have some you know good mentors to talk to and work with but he's so exciting he's an absolute joy to watch katie you've been commentating on the ipal

you've been watching syrivanchi play what's your sort of take on it all Yeah, I mean, he's a superstar. I think when he was a kid, he watched Brian Lara's clips on YouTube and his dad taught him a lot like that. He's still a kid. I know, I know. When he was five. When he was eight, eight, yeah.

He's like a lot of Indian kids that have grown up, they go to academies, their family move miles and miles away for them to get opportunity. But he's the next factor. You drive to the ground to work on a game, and it's always the most enthralling stuff looking out the window and seeing the crowds just stormed towards the stadium. And I just remember seeing Suriavanchi tops thousands, like on mass. And it's, you know, it's a Rajasthan Royals game,

but even at non-Rajasan Royals. And it reminds me of M.E. Stoney. And you feel like he's that kid that's sort of going to take over the mantle of those two guys from a love from Indian cricket that will travel around different parts of India to go and watch him play. But when you look at him technically in the position, he gets and I'm a bit of a cricket nuffie so look a lot of that but his uniqueness and how he gets his back lift so far around that his bats nearly

pointing back at the bowlers he creates such a load and base and so many people go how does a 15 16 year old kid create so much power but he just gets in such a loaded position that he's just able to explode through the ball and hit with power and he's hit you know Josh Hazelwood Mitt Stark they're all saying to each other it's all right we've both been hit from six from Siri but he's a guy that plays the ball and not the man and I think that's allowed him to I guess look mature and be mature because he says you know it doesn't bother me if that's much I'll be honest I I had a bit of a fan moment honestly I don't think I've had that moment

since meeting Chris Waddled back in the 90s honestly went I was like oh I was like really excited to meet him and I actually think you you know okay you've been at the grounds I think a lot of the commentators and actually Josh Butler he said he was like in awe meeting this young kid he's like Pat Cummins has spoken out you know he said he's just an incredible player a superstar that it's look cricket is doing fine but um I just look at Teskrigan and say whoa can imagine him oh yeah putting on the whites of India there's long way to go before I mean he hardly fields so he's got to get used to fielding that's that's the one challenge as a young player and and I think Rajasthan will admit the reason why they put him on the impact subbench in terms of fielding was because they want to He's making completely fresh to bat, because he's a young kid. And, you know, international cricket, you can't sit on the bench. You've got a field for 20 hours.

And the next step up, if he's going to get in the 50 over team, which is no question he will. You know, will he make it for the World Cup next year? We'll have to wait and see. But that's where they might have to be careful with him, field him for 50 overs and then going out to create that kind of power. Having had three and a half hours in the dirt could be a challenge for someone that hasn't fielded a great deal.

Yeah, they haven't put their one day squad yet. There's three matches England. I haven't seen a one-day squad yet, but we just know the T20 squad. I was just going to just say about the thing that reminds you of him still being a kid is he still cries when he gets a duck. And as we've, I mean, you probably still did when you were near retirement, Vaughney, but all kids cry when they get a duck. But when he wasn't fielding, he actually said to the coach, I want to be in the game, I want to make an impact. And you talk about Verac Colen in MS, don't he. So he got Verac Coley to sign his Rajasthan Royals hat that he wears out.

And so he literally was wearing his Rajasthan Raws kit with two Vibab from Virat and it's signed from Verac Koli. So he's fielding and betting in a signed Verac Koli hair. But you're absolutely, so in India over the course, particularly the last couple of years with MS Stoney, because I think everyone's been expecting the announcement, it still hasn't arrived. So every single game that Chennai would arrive all over India, all in yellow shirts. I noticed towards the back end when Surivanchi arrived, even in Mumbai. Mumbai are true blue. All the Mumbai Indian fans, all wear the blue shirts.

I noticed in that last game which Rajasthan had to win to qualify for the eliminations, there was a number of pink shirts. So the sway the next few years, the IPL, most venues, I would think if Rajasthan stayed a play in pink, I would think most venues will be pink when the kid arrives. What are the dangers for him? It's a lot quite young, isn't it? 15.

Most people have struggled to cope with that sort of thing. I think probably sport is full of players who, everyone said that person is going to be the next big thing. You know, people who were really good in their teenage years who kind of plateaued and some dipped and couldn't deal actually with the fame and the stardom. Can you think of players that you come across like that? Go on, Katie. Yeah, Pritfey Shore probably. I mean, did you play against Symphony?

But he was a guy that come in quite similar to Surrey Vanchi that explosive. player and I guess he got success so quickly and what happens in India is you get people hanging around like you get people wanting let's sponsor you will give you this for free we'll give you that for free even now people are saying he's going to sign for Mumbai and get a free apartment somewhere where Mrs. and Barney's going to buy that so there's just all these people that start getting around and trying to get closer to people because they see him as an opportunity to get rich as well so Pritfee Shore was a guy that was very similar and

And he sort of just went off the rails with fitness, and I know Viab loves KFC, so that's something that they're working with him a lot more on. I wouldn't be changing, no, if I was it. It's working. It's just being able to manage that. And I remember watching that last game Rajasthan played, and he was talking of Rat Coley.

And you just saw of Rat Coley, like, with his hands, indicate stay in your lane. There's going to be people that are going to be here, but how do you just keep that focus of, it's about cricket first and foremost, have you have trusted advisors around you that will help manage that kind of stuff. How do you just keep focused on cricket? I think Verat, to me, I played against Verrett when we were 16, 17, we're the same age,

so all the way through. And he always struck me as a good person. So having people like that who can help guide him and nudge him in the right direction when he comes to a crossroads, or use them as counsel, I suppose, as people who have gone through it, you would like to think that he would be forthcoming with them. The only thing I would say about that, Finney, is how old is Virat now? 37, yeah. So he's almost probably his dad's age. Do you know, teenagers, teenagers don't listen to their dads, do they? No, that's true. As you're discovered. Well, I've got a 17-month-old daughter.

She doesn't listen to her in. She's in Borgia. She's tall. I'm getting her to pick up a golf club, though, instead of a... I've, um, I've had my media advisor, Pete Tufnal, arrived with a piece of paper, and he's mentioned the name and he's absolutely spot on. Not surprising with Phil. Vinod Camblay. Yeah. 200 against England on that tour of that's right. Yeah, he's nodding his head, Philip.

So Vinod Cambler, he was a superstar, Satchin's kind of prodigies. They had that massive partnership of 560 odd for, I think it was a school. And he obviously came into the inside and suddenly just went and Pritfries in a similar kind of way. The one thing that they've got to be careful in it, that there are some lights. over there that you can get kind of drawn to. It's not like the other, well, there's nothing really happening. There are bars. There are nights out. There's lots of people that you probably don't want to hang around with like any place in the world. So the perfect advice I'd give, just try and stay close to Virac Coli. Virac Coli pretty much lived the purest life. He doesn't drink,

eats everything right. I'm not saying that Suravansia has to go completely down that route. But if I was him and around him in terms of management, you can't. kind of go and kind of sit with Virat and Virat's team go, right, what have you guys done? You know, because they seem to be doing a lot of the good stuff right. I suppose the hard thing for him is that the bar that he has set at this age is so high. I'd say almost higher than anyone has ever done at such a young age. So is striking at 180 and averaging 35 next year going to feel like huge disappointment? And is he going to have to deal with the fans and everyone being disappointed in him only doing that?

I suppose that's going to be a really interesting caveat for me to see is how, like you say, his family, his franchise, the big players in India get around him in those kinds of situations because everything kind of feels like. Striking at 240 and scoring 770 runs is ludicrous. Striking at 240 for one innings is an amazing effort. See fellas walking off as, oh, I've struck at 240 there. Brilliant. He's done it for an entire season against the best bowlers.

Like what does disappointment look like now for him that the bar has been saying? so high. I want to know who's going to have his car. Surely his dad. Well, yeah, he won a car. I mean, he won every award. The only award that he didn't win was the four hitting award. I don't know who ended up winning the boring along the ground award. Probably awesome old. I would think he'll never want to win that one.

You know, he wants to continue launching it into the stands. But yeah, he's so exciting. He's great for the game. He will light up the UK when he arrives in a few weeks time. So one of his next challenges could be to translate, white ball into red ball? Can he do a warm-up game at Leicester in mid-June? Well, they don't play them any more. He's played a lot of four-day cricket in India

and has got decent records as well. I mean, he faced 600 balls a day throwing at him. His coach used to throw to him, and when he got tired, he got another support staff, and then he got the net bowler, and there's 30 net bowlers at the back lining up batters anyway to bowl to. So he's growing up in India playing and practicing, and it's what you see so much players come into international

stage they've got an unbelievable batting technique they've got the mindset they've got the discipline of training and the sacrifices that they've gone through it'll be how we adjust the conditions in England what is that going to look like and whether there is opportunity moving forward for three format players that we're going to see that disbanding a little bit because of so much franchise cricket I don't know we're going to see a Kane Williamson and Joe Root who have pulled away from from those formats or whether that is an opportunity and maybe the new bass ball is these modern

players coming in that look to continue to hit the ball in a controlled fashion. What do you do as a bowler? I mean, Finney, you're a former bowler. What do you think you could come up with? Head down, field at fine leg, looked the other way. With a hamstring. Yeah, no, I, that the one, there was a little period wasn't there in the middle of the IPL where people started trying to bowl full straight Yorkers to him. And it seemed as though, I mean, who has an answer to a perfect Yorker, but it seemed as so that was his one weakness, but trying to run up with a brand new ball and bowl Yorkers is very, very difficult. Because? Well, just the newness of the ball, the greasiness, the seam,

like you want some grit. That's my personal feeling was I wanted an older ball to be able to grip the seam to bowl the yorkers. Yeah, but honestly, from watching him, I cannot find a weakness. And it's ridiculous. I usually love, I really look forward to watching overseas. bowlers come here. So I get really excited about watching Cummins, Bumra, Hazelwood, Rabada. They're the guys that I look for the tours and I'm like, I cannot wait to sit behind the bowler's arm and watch those guys bowl. He's the first batter I've been excited about watching coming over here. I think lateral movement, you know, I think in India, in particular this year's IPA, the pitchers have been roads. Ball's not been doing anything through the air. So I guess a little bit of lateral

movement. There was a couple of innings, though, that he played down. There was one innings late on in the group stage where I actually didn't get off to a flying start and I thought oh this is a good challenge because yassizwee Jarswell came out and I think it was against Chennai and Jaiswal came out and he hit some quick runs and Surrey Vancho was kind of ending and he just started to not once he went oh it's your day today you're and I thought oh god he's actually got a bit of maturity yeah so that that to me tells me he's hit loads of balls he can clearly play the game but he's also got a bit of sense about him it's not

just he's not look look look to pick on Carl Jameson but he just slogged didn't he was just baseball so he doesn't do that you know he hits proper cricket shots and he works out areas of the ground and he knocks it every now and again as I said if you miss your zones he's pretty much it's a relevant way you put your fielders he's not too worried if there's a fielder on the boundary I'm gonna offend Finney here because he's a fast bowler but there was a the KKR game where we played Narayan and I mean everyone struggled against Narayan but spin early time He had a Narayan, just everyone, people might not watch the eye camera,

but he's still an incredible economy rate, didn't he, Narayan? It's like streets ahead of anyone else. He probably didn't pick up wickets as much as we've seen because they sort of batters went defensive against him because they couldn't pick his variations that well. Just see him off, don't they? Yeah, they just saw him off. And then when he started having that partnership with Chuck Gravati bowling,

that's when you know that KKha started to find a bit of rhythm, plus they picked the right team and had the right balance. But yeah, I think early on, if you can get spin to him and go, look if he hits you for six that's fine but how do you make that that constant pace adjustment that lateral movement and that's going to be interesting you know how England and well Ireland first up how they're going to go about that maybe just that difference in pace control but he was circuit when when you sort of played in the bot where you call the box just upside off off stump and there you know because

he's always looking to go under the ball to hit for six over mid wicket he did get a little bit circumspect after he got out like that but it's that extra I guess bounce that you get and maybe the different conditions here might be how quickly does he adjust does he go a little bit more circumspect early to find a few balls to then work it out yeah my mind in these conditions i don't vaughney's right the pitches in the ipel have been absolute belt it's predominantly all the way through but in these conditions here but to a batter who does have that big backlift who looks as though he wants to hit the same pace of ball all the time because of the way the bat flows on on pitches this here i personally would set a

square field on the leg side, I'd try and bowl quite straight and change your pace as much as you can and hammer over the top of the stumps and hope that the pitch gives you a bit of variation and movement and that your changes of pace can disrupt his swing. But when guys have tried that in the IPL on such true surfaces, he just seems to hold off and then lash it. Whether whether the wickets here will be slightly more challenging for him for bowlers who can bowl to that kind of plan will be really interesting to see. He did okay last year with the under 19. So he's had a bit of experience playing in the UK, but he didn't do what he's done in the IPL. So maybe that's a little bit of an indication with a little bit of lateral movement, a bit of, you know, a bit of bounce off a length that he might just sky one or two.

But from what I've seen, I think he'll work it out pretty quick. What about an old-fashioned technique against him? Good hard sledging. You want to go abusive, dude? Well, what are you going to say to it? How can you abuse? Will he be 16, by the last? time he plays. He was born, he was born on the 27th of March 2011 so he's 15. You'll come as a 15 year old.

Sammy you're going to abuse a 15 year old. I well he's when he's perhaps when he's 16 I don't know. You'll leave another year. Don't go on X after this because we remember Cole Jameson had a gold him. He's a big celebration. No I'm not saying you should do you know Simon must man wants to abuse the kids. I've watched Simon watch football so I'm not saying you should I'm just saying is that a tactic that could be used to disrupt him. That's what I'm saying. He's in his own world, isn't he? He's that guy that's in his bubble, and yeah, I don't think it'll disrupt him.

Apparently, bowls a bit of spin, you know, as well. So he's one of those that can offer a few overs, potentially, in the few. Probably get 500 tests we get so well. Why not? Well, thanks to Michael Vaughn, Stephen Finn and Katie Martin. That's it for this episode of the TMS podcast. Make sure you're subscribe, so you never miss an episode. And we're back on air at 10.30 a.m.

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