Test Match Special - Tuffers and Vaughan: England are World Champions

Episode Date: July 15, 2019

Did that really happen? Phil Tufnell and Michael Vaughan are back together after the most incredible cricket match that saw England crowned as World Champions. We go through the last 20 balls of the match, ball-by-ball, to relive the most incredible drama Lord's has ever seen.And Tuffers suggests that Jofra Archer 'roll his trousers up'. Us neither.

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Tuffers and Vaughn's Cricket Show. So England are world champions, having tied the match yesterday and tied the Super over. Have your nerves recovered, Tuffers? Well, I mean, it's just amazing. I don't think you'll ever see another game of cricket like that as long as you live. Can you remember a day like it? The best day I've ever had involved in cricket. I have to say the atmosphere, the character both teams showed 8.3 million apparently watching it on television,

the reach of the radio. It was an incredible day for the sport. I'm glad you said in cricket at the end. I was about to intervene on behalf of your family. The players currently are down the street, as you heard, on Drive. We'll talk about the match. We'll look in depth at the last 19 balls that changed English cricketing history.

Toughers will make all sorts of bizarre noises I would have thought through the next 90 minutes. 85058 at 5 Live Sport. You can email Tuffers and Born at BBC.co.com. Toughers and Vaughn's cricket show on Five Live. Unbelievable, 24 hours of sport. And I know you want to talk about the big news of Steve Bruce leaving Sheffield Wednesday.

Yeah, let's ignore that. Completely lefters, isn't it? That might be on page seven now, I think. See you later, Bruce. Just before we get started. Oh, yes. Right, just before we get started. I mean, you're talking about tension and the day,

and I mean, and it was tense from the moment. moment we all walked through at Los. But you and me sometimes have a few little sort of, we tweet each other occasionally, don't we, Chappas? No, it's a text. It's much more personal. Sorry, texting, yes, yes. And I've just got one here,

and I'll just read it how it went out. This is Chappas. Oh, crikey, it's another word, but I'll say, oh, crikey. I replied, keep the faith, mate. You replied, I'm trying. I'm running out of different places to sit in my lounge.

I then replied, try sitting there naked. And you said, that's the last resort, that is. And then it says after that, I took my clothes off for the last over. And I replied, I told you, sir. Tell me you took a picture. So chappas, were you sitting in your living room, start naked watching that last over? No, I wasn't. I wasn't.

No, but it got very close to that, actually. And what happened was, I ended up finding with the last, probably for the last 45 minutes, so including the two super overs, just standing up behind the settee with my elder daughter standing just on a chair and bouncing up and down. And she wouldn't move either. And every time I tried to move to go and check on tea, she sat to me back to stand next to her. And that's how we watched the last 45 minutes. You've got tea on the go. Tea was part, tea was kind of ruined to be.

Yeah, it was burnt, burn. Yeah, like, yeah. You know, I lost interest in the cod in a bag or whatever it was. I was codding a bag. I was cod and a parsley sauce. No, no, no, not in parsley sauce. I've been out and about today and bumping in the people and so many people have been coming up to me

and saying just stories like that that you have said there, people have not been moving, they've stopped cars, they were in shopping centres and wouldn't play their, you know, it wouldn't put the goods through the till and everything. It's just been incredible. Cricket has that ability that when things get that tight, you just don't know what to do with yourself. It was amazing. And actually, that was one of the things, Michael, I said during that last hour and a half, there is, as we, as, you know, people listen to us all night, they are likely to be cricket fans and have been with us for a very long time.

As I said to my family, as we're watching it, and we are a creative family, there is no other sport where the tension builds like that over the course of day. I mean, you get nervous with football and rugby and netball and whatever it is. But the way that tension built over seven hours... The best bit about yesterday was the fact that everyone in the country could see it. Now, I will say to all those that are necessarily not cricket fans and saw it yesterday, you know what, cricket's like that every day. Wow.

That's just the norm. That's just true. Come on tough. You're meant to sell this game. And honestly, I got back to my room last night, and I thought, you know, we've all had great days in cricket. We've all been very lucky, playing, commentating. And I got back to my...

I'm a bit older now, Wise. That's the greatest day I've ever had in cricket. And it's because I'm a bit older and wiser and I could see the players, and they don't know what they've done yet. They don't know the impact that they're going to have. And they're going to get, in a few years' time, people just stopping them in the street,

and saying, you know what, we only got into cricket because of you. We just happened to stumble across it on that Sunday afternoon. We put Channel 4 on or we listen to the radio. We couldn't turn it off because the dramatic game that was being played and my little son or daughter started playing because of you. And we get that still from 2005. And whatever I did in my career and whatever I do now, they are still the best moments when people come up to you and say,

we only play cricket because of 05 and those lads yesterday, what they did, both teams, both teams were tremendous, they're both going to get that throughout the rest of their lives, whatever they do, whatever they achieve, whatever they go on to do when they finish, people will stop them in the street and say, thank you for that day.

In July when you won the World Cup, you got me into the great game. Yeah, and also, it's funny because everyone was saying, oh, 50 overs, you know, it's all one-sided, you know what's happened, 20-20s to way, 50 overs, you're talking about that tension building and you were right, it built from ball one. The toss, I was sweating, you know what I mean, who's going to win the toss?

And then what was it, seven, eight hours later, I mean, it was just phenomenal. And 50 over cricket, that is the best of 50 over cricket. You couldn't miss a ball. It was one of those days where, you know, sometimes in 50 over cricket, you have those 10 over periods, 50 over periods where I think, yeah, you've got to have a little brew round the back, go and talk to a mate or two and just kind of get away from it just to kind of freshen that.

You could not miss a ball. No. Every single over that was bold yesterday because we all read the pitch earlier, we thought it was going to be a little bit tricky and 260 plus, the stats tell you that chasing 260 at lords, near on impossible. So everyone was watching every over.

When a boundary was hit, it was like, oh, there's a massive momentum shift. That's a big shift in the game because they've got four quick runs or one's gone over the rope. And then there was a wicket and both sides batting never really got going. Neither team never really dominated with the bat. And I think we should mention the pitch because people say, oh, you know, it wasn't a great, it was a great pitch because it produced a great game.

And cricket, Phil, has not been on free to wear since 2005. And if you were ever going to have a game to promote the game, and people are saying half of it, oh, yeah, but it's not great cricket. It was fantastic cricket because it was a contest between battenball. It was a grossing. Yeah, exactly. It was engross. That is what cricket's about.

Cricket isn't about flat wickets and all you see is fours and sit. It's about skillful bowlers, skillful batsmen, clever captaincy, showing real character and that's what was cried yesterday. Sorry, Mike, there was a couple of times when we embraced about a little two down to fine leg. We were cuddling each other for a little knock around the corner for two,

let alone sixes and four. The best moment was for me when Agas turned to you and I think there were about three of it. He just looked to you and you looked like you'd lost about five stony. You've shot your bolt early on it. Well, go, you were like it. I mean, this was another of our text.

conversations. You were like a coiled spring for the semi-final, weren't you? Well, I thought the semi-final, I sort of felt a little bit calmer going towards the game on the finals day because I thought, listen, you know, the semi-final, we're in the final, what will be will be, we've beaten the old

enemy, you know, you can pat yourself on the back and if it doesn't go your way in the final it's not the end of the world. But it just built and built as soon as I set foot into Lords, the buzz and just the atmosphere was there. This was about half eight in the morning,

and you just got wrapped up in every single second of it. I was a nervous rate yesterday. Yeah. I'm usually like... You prayed, Mike. I saw you praying. I was a nervous threat because I just felt this was the moment our game. And I'll keep saying it.

I feel so sorry for New Zealand because they played wonderfully well, and they didn't do a great deal long. But for us in this country, we needed a World Cup win. We needed the men to lift up that first ever 50 over World Cup. We needed to have all our heroes, the great team that we've been watching for four years, they needed reward for that. And our game needed it, a sport needed it.

And I was so nervous. I've never felt like that since I've retired. I've never, ever been on commentary. And it's not about the nervous about it. It was so nerve-wracking watching because you can't do anything. You know, the fans out there, you're all staring at the TV. There's nothing you can do. And there was a moment where Joffra got the ball.

He went, don't throw it. He was going to throw it at the stomach. Don't throw it. And I'll tell you the shot of the day I'll tell you the shot of the day Not Ben Stokes' sixes Or these fantastic fours Was the deflection

The deflection off of his back Ben Stokes even middle of the deflection That was just I mean I've never seen anything like that Our commentary box I mean the guys who are wrong comms Did a fantastic job Just to keep control

Because everyone just was going ballistic It's four It's go Go It can run Run! Stokesy said, Suffers, on the page he came and whispered in me because it's the only one I timed all day.

Well, there you go. It's shut off to the boundary. He's got a good bet there. We will talk more about that specific incident and that specific ball between half seven and half eight. What we're going to do between half seven and half eight? We're going to go through one ball from the penultimate over of the England innings, then the whole of the final over of the England innings,

and then both super over overs were going to. going to go through them ball by ball. I reckon I'll be able to remember every single one. Good. Just on the 50 over thing. Yeah. I went through a phase and I think we probably discussed this on the show as well that there was a period where it felt like

50 over cricket was go at it for the first 10, 15 overs, nerdle it around for the next 25 overs and then go at it again for the last 10 overs. And 50 over cricket, I don't know, maybe between what, about 2008 and 2050? maybe felt like we got into this pattern where it was just like an elongated

2020 but you both made the point this evening that it has felt like a format that works again through this one I'll tell you why it's because you know and some people have been criticising the pitches you know Senhal if not been great for stroke play they've produced wonderful games of cricket

because it has been a balance between bat and ball the series just before the World Cup against Pakistan where the pitches were roads 380 pluses. the ball was travelling to all parts. We all were predicting the World Cup that England potentially could get to 500. Well, no one's got close to that

because the pitches have just offered a little bit. There's just been a little bit of seam movement, a little bit of bounds. The odd ball stopped in the pitch. And what it has done, I mean, yesterday, England, for me, they've played this glorious game for four years, this flamboyant, aggressive game. And on the ultimate pressure date,

they were asked to do something that they necessarily don't want to do, which is play a little bit in the old school way. It's almost saying, can you win on a Tuesday night at Burnley when it's raining? England were asked to do that yesterday afternoon. And they've messed up a couple of times doing it. Well, they did it a few weeks ago against Sri Lanka. Exactly the same kind of. Can you play smart under the ultimate pressure and go against your natural grain,

which is basically to watch the ball try and whack it into the stands? And that partnership between Ben Stokes and Josh Butler, Josh Butler, he was the one for me that calmed everything down. As soon as he walked out there, he got to six, just knocking. I went, I'm relaxed because he will read the situation. and he'll talk to Ben Stokes. Ben Stokes has been tremendous with the bat in the World Cup, but I think whenever Butler's out there,

I don't know what all the fans in the crowd feel, but I just kind of take a nice, deep breath. I do, yeah. I was yesterday when he was back, and I thought, absolutely, when he's out there. When he got out, I thought we'd lost the game. Me too. Because I panic when he's out.

I think he reads the game better than anybody. And also, the 50 over the thing, Chappas, is that now people have realised, he's said, me and Mike used to go and get a brew between 11 and 40. You know what I mean? Yeah, but now a bowling size have realized you have to take wickets in those periods. It's just not sort of like we'll set the field back, we'll be happy to go at two or three and over,

or three or four and over, and then the sort of game starts again, you know, the last ten overs. Now people have realised that you've got to have wicket takers like the likes of Liam Plunkett. Adul Ashid, okay, didn't have a great World Cup. But you've got to have bowlers there who are going to take wickets, and you set fields to take wickets in those periods, during that period, time. It's interesting that you say that he didn't have a great World

Cup. But the one thing I was going to say to you both was, over the course of the whole tournament, they have all contributed at some point. So even that Adil Rashid didn't, you know, he had the game in the semi-final. Yes, he did. And also, he's a great character. In that dresser room

he is adored by all the players because he's a bit, you know, he's a bit relaxing, he was always laughing and joking. He's lying to Owen Morgan on the balcony, I think it was on the balcony, or just in the dressing room. I think someone said, oh, we've got the look of the Irish. And Adel Rashid, no, no, you've got Alla with us as well, remember that.

And those kind of lines are remarkable. Owen said that in his press conference. And you're looking at this England team. And, you know, the diverse cultures in the dressing room, you've got Joffra, you've got Mowin Ali, Adel Rashid, you've got an Irishman as captain. It's a team that I really feel that everyone can relate to. You know, they're a really good set of lads.

Yeah. You know, they play the game well. They've coped with the pressure brilliantly. They've been involved in, I don't think there's ever been a greater game of cricket. You tell me there's ever been a greater game of cricket. I've not seen a game that's bettered that one. And what they can do as a group now is really transform the way that people look at cricket in this country. Yeah, and during World Cups, you say everyone does.

You talk about Adirashid, he did his party. He said he came to the party and he got his three-front, he did well in other little things. It surprised me this World Cup. Mike, you were saying earlier, everyone was going, oh, 300, 320. spin bowlers in those middle overs are going to be crucial. It's completely been turned on its head, really. It was the seam bowlers who came to the four, you know, lower scores and people having to grind out things.

So all us pundits really got the way that this World Cup was going to pan out completely wrong. And I think that's what made it so exciting for everyone. I tell you got it spot on and he was speaking to you before the tournament, Virat Coley said the 24, 250 chase will be what wins the World Cup. Yeah. He was absolutely spot. And they've been the great games.

Those games that have been around, even the Sri Lanka game at Henlick. It was a great game to watch because it was dramatic, it was close. Again, one boundary would change the momentum of the game, a wicket. And yesterday, from an early stage, you felt that that Kane Williamson, Henry Nichols' partnership, had a chance to take England out the equation. If Kane Williamson had survived another 10 overs, Ross Taylor, you look at Guptal, used up the review, Ross Taylor was given out, it was going to be missing. We had some luck, Mike.

You can go through Jason Roy. How was that given? Not that first ball off, Trent Bolt. Yeah. Johnny Beerstow had on 12 and he hadn't it one in front of the wicket. He'd play three Chinese cuts and he'd be all gone for four. I mean, it was seeming around. And I think that that is, the wickets have to bring bowling into one day cricket.

You're dead right because otherwise it can just be a little bit of fodder. Don't you think, though, toughers, it's brilliant. England, for four years they've tried to play this expansive way. Yeah. They've tried to get the three-fifties. and yesterday they were asked to play like they were playing four years ago. Mike, we've told them on this show a million times.

And they played smart. They played with a little bit of brightness. And Josh said today in an interview you just said we just had to hang in there. And we were crying for that in the combat. Just hanging, don't get bowled out. Hang in, hang in. There were shouts coming from all direction.

Just digging! Digging! Run! Run! But two years ago, Mike, England would have lost that. I reckon. You could say three weeks ago they would. Yeah, almost.

I think they'd learn a hell of a lot from that Sri Lanka game as well. But that was the one thing that we'd always been talking about on Tuffus of Vaughn, isn't it? You know, great talent and everything. But can they adapt? Can they be flexible? Can they realise the times to play smart cricket? And they did it just when it counted. The beauty of that final as well, aside from the most extraordinary ending,

is how many incidents you keep going back and remembering that could have been crucial. I mean, you mentioned the Jason, the Jason Roy LBW, the Trent Bolt. Catch, which we will come to after half past. That's all right, half past seven. I'm excited, Jack. I know you are.

There was a ball from Chris Wokes, the bowled of Wight, very late on, that spanned just as it came towards Just Butler and went for four ones. Yeah, he did. It went through his legs. My son went to me at that stage. That could be crucial. Mitchell Santner, he should have thrown the ball.

For the, Roshid, he should have thrown into the keeper's end. And Ben Stowe, I mean, he was goose by, and then he was absolutely knucked. He'd been run out by 15 years. And Mitchell sat down the last ball of the innings. Yes. I know. What an idiot.

Sorry, I was going to say something. Numbty. That's what you were going to say. And also, another thing, I mean, Joffre Archer, that wasn't a white. First ball wasn't a white. That wasn't a white. You know, there was so many things.

Well, and also... Come on, let's go back to that bounce. No, but listen, but then I'm hearing this And I thought I knew most of the rules, though, and everything Didn't even the umpires get it wrong? I think they might have done, Phil. Wasn't it? I think it should have been a five.

Should it have only been a five? Yeah, that means England would have needed. Yeah. Well, you just don't know what would happen. No. What happened on the last board? But it still was wrong, wouldn't it? Yeah, it's wrong.

The umpires have got it wrong. On the biggest stage of them all, they've not got it right. They did not cross by the time the ball's thrown in. No. I have never known a country get as much respect and sympathy in defeat. Like when you're supporting a team that wins and your country, for example, and the other team loses, there's a tendency to obviously gloat and celebrate and forget about the other team. But the respect, honestly, but everybody, people texting me and messages and social media,

The love and respect for New Zealand And how they behaved was remarkable About four overs in I thought England had lost the World Cup And in the back of my mind I thought you know what If we were going to lose to anyone I'm quite happy to lose to New Zealand

Because of the way that they've played the game The Captain is the man of the tournament He is I mean I don't know if you've seen the clip of him Being told his man of the tournament And there's a lady there telling it And he looks at it and goes what, me And that sums him up beautifully

that he's the most understated cricketer but right up there with the greatest in terms of the way that he handles himself the way that he just goes about his business the way that he's got his team if you look at 1 to 11 both teams yesterday we said it before play on paper England should hammer New Zealand

on paper New Zealand look at them go yeah the three or four of them are very good the rest of them you know would they get in many other teams but what they do is they just maximise every ounce of ability that they have they play within themselves they just get in the game they just get in the game and then we've got a bowling attack that's clever.

I mean, Colin DeGrandon, one for 25 off 10. How's that happened? I mean, co-caused in the leagues, wouldn't he de Grandon? Just wobbling it around and off stump. And remember mine? Honestly, it reminded me of Ian Austin. Yes, yes, yes. A little slimmer, I'll reckon.

How old you're touch. And remember that England, and you're dead right about New Zealand, great bunch of lads led brilliantly. They're such gentlemen as well. But remember, England took a leaf out of their book. How many years ago was it when McCullum... Four years ago.

England sort of took their blueprint for the way McCullum was, very good friends with Owen Morgan, and took that forward. So really, New Zealand have helped us in both ways, in a way. Wonderful, wonderful sportsmanship. But that's why cricket's great, Phil, and sports great, is that we've all talked prior to the world about this expansive. And yesterday, it was an old-school game. That World Cup Final

could have been played 20 years ago in the style of cricket that we saw. Boyks could have been out there. It could have been from the centres and that's why cricket's great that it moves on and you see all the shots and you see all this power and you see all this skill and difference

and the agility in the field. Yesterday it was an old school game of cricket. And I'll tell you what people will now realise because young people coming into the game they just want to see the sixes and the fours and everything and great ball bowls and 90 mile an hour bouncers and everything. but we've all been saying this

and the purists of the game and everything those little partnerships that you have to get back into the game great little bits of fielding the fielding and catching by the way in this has been phenomenal what you want to see is both and know that there's the opportunity for both

and not know which one you're going to get when you arrive in the crowd that day what you don't want is to arrive at a game of whatever it may be at any sport and you have a rough idea of what's going to happen, which is someone hit 400 and then someone tries to face 400. Do you want variety?

Nothing better than a gritty 50. You know what I mean? Oh, I love a gritty 50. But every now and then. Yeah. The best thing for me at the end of the game was no team froze. Usually in a final, you're always talking about

one team that didn't turn up and maybe an individual that's had a bit of a stinker or dropped a dolly or bald had horrendous over or made a massive mistake with the bat. there was none of that there was not one player that I looked at down on the people and thought

you know what they looked scared of the occasion no one not one of the 22 players they all looked like they were I don't know if they were

enjoying it fully but they looked like they were in the game they were one in the ball and you don't often see that in a final I've got a question for Mike here now

sorry I'm buzzing I'm buzzing here I know you are sorry mate you go wherever you want okay mate right your captain Mike you've got to have

someone to bowl the last over Joffra Archer and he's only played three He said he played four games, hasn't he? Well, he had to do it. That's why he was picked. Would you have given it

a job for Archer? Definitely. Because I've seen him over the years. Remember when we did our England all time 11, one day cricket? Yeah. I had him his 12th man. You did.

He is that good. That is what he's delivered in the IPL, in the big bash for the last two or three years. Of course it's a big call, but he's as cool as I'll be honest, I don't think he bowled a great over. I don't think he got the ball anywhere near the spots that he was aiming for.

Yeah. the other ends good at that position make sure it's straight as the non-professional cricketer in this conversation I can understand why he might not have got the ball

in the right spot but you look at Trent Bolt he didn't quite get it right and that's what it is it's the pressure but to stick your hand up at 24 years of age his first time in England jersey

this tournament I look at this England side I think there'll be maybe two maybe Owen Morgan might not make the next World Cup Liam Plunkett may not make the next World Cup Mark Wood's

injuries never sure where he's going to be but you know I look at the age of this England side they've got such an opportunity to really they've won the World Cup and it'll be how they cope with that you know do they get really excited and think that that's it the rest of the careers they don't need to do much but if they can stay level and really drive what they've done over the last four years and go again they're going to be there in Indian conditions they'll have a team that will be very competitive in four years time the T20 World Cup next year and I also think we need to see this England side use what they've used in the

last six weeks and really get the test team play more consistently. They've got all the ingredients to be an incredible cricket team across tests, 50 overs and T20. Other countries are looking at us now, that's for sure. And Ben Stokes, Ben Stokes, talk about redemption.

I mean, he just, I talk about maturity now, the knock he plays there. Who's going to play him in his movie? He's going to be a movie, isn't he? If you think about, T20 World Cup final ball in the last over, the Carlyth Brathwaite 4-6, he's done and dusted. Who's going to play in? Incent in Bristol. the court case and all of a sudden he's back playing

he's come back and play great. He's now the man of the match in the World Cup final. Who's going to play Ben Stokes? I don't know. 8505-8, at 5 Live Sport, if you want to tell us. I reckon you could chappers. You've got a beard. I've got a beard.

Stick a wig on. Stick a wig on. No, he doesn't need a wig. It needs to get a bit of colour in there. Yeah, I might have to go to the gym a bit as well. Yeah, and I'd probably need to have a cricketing double to play the shots. Yes, yes.

I may be you. my acting ability. Yeah, okay. Those six is he hit. Those six is he hit. I mean, that was a huge hit, the one that, Trent Bolt, by the way. That's the longest part of the ground.

I mean, unlucky to Trent Bolt because he did. He caught it, but that is a big wallop down there. Well, that's fine, margins. You know, against the Westerners at Old Trafford, Trent Bolt, under that ball, steadied himself, kept himself inside the ropes. They win the game, they get to the semi-finals. If that had gone for six, New Zealand wouldn't have made the semifinals.

I mean, this show is normally loose on the best of occasions, but every time I think I know where I'm going to go next, tough as you throw something else in. Sorry, mate. No, no, no. And then I'm thinking, where am I going to go? Where am I going to go after that? I'll go read Jimmy Nisham tweets later on because they're very emotional.

So we'll do that a little bit later on. Let me just read some of the texts and tweets that are coming in. Somebody texted us. They haven't left their name on it, but they've sent a photo in with it, which we can show you both. But it's a message for Michael saying, this is all you need to see for the impact of yesterday.

I'm sat overlooking Abidale at the moment. There's an eight-year-old out there who was batting in his Ben Stokes, England, top. Andy, evening, oh, what a great day. I was at Melbourne in 82 when Miller caught Thompson to win that test by three runs. That was fantastic. Yesterday was just the best, though.

If Stokes has a great ashes, he should be sports personality of the year. Vintage Waza, when does Ben Stokes get knighted? He's the greatest hero in English sporting history. Legend, apparently Ben Stokes has retweeted that. Edward, I have a confession. The more I listen, the more. stupid I feel I watched and listened to the whole game

for the England innings. I was at a 50th party. We all ended up watching after the last ball of the 50 overs. I declared that we'd lost by one run and turned over to watch the tennis. Only to then get a take saying that we had won. Evening all, yes, they mean so much to every England cricket fan. Yes, I had tears in my eyes when England won and lifted the trophy. Fans and supporters invest emotionally in the players and although only 11 take the field, yesterday's success will be shared by millions up and down the land.

I heartily agree with Michael when he says the players will be stopped in the street for years to come and will be thanked for that day. They're going to get statues. Dracan? I'll reckon. Come on, where are we going to put them? I don't know.

You can't have them all in one place. I don't know. Outside St. John's Wood, you've got to have a couple of statues. You don't do that without getting a statue. Do you have a statue where they were born or something, surely. There you go. Dickie Byrd's got a statue in Barnsley. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where they should have their statutes.

That one on investing emotionally in the players, that's because, you said Michael, they are a great bunch of lads. And we are privileged because we do get to meet them and we do get to talk to them. But they actually come and say hello to you, not the other way around. They aren't, you know, they are very normal. Apart from Johnny. Part from Johnny, yeah, apart from Johnny. Yeah, part from Johnny. Yeah, part from Johnny.

Yeah, but, you know, you've helped him. But, you know, they are a very approachable normal guy. I think they understand, and I think it's been quite clear from the ECB perspective, that they had to change. I think the incident in Bristol, everything that went around it, I think the England team got there and said, look, enough enough, you know, the Alex Hales incident, you know, you've got to be role models.

You know, I look at every single one of the England group. And you also look at the background team. They've got some real quality people there. Paul Collinwood, Chris Silverwood, Graham Thorpe, Trevor, Phil Neal, who's been the manager for many, many years, some real strong people that, you know, they want cricket to be played the right way and they want the players to be role models

for the next generation of kids coming through. And I don't think, in terms of what we've got here with the England scene, there's ever been a better set of England players to really kind of sell the game and make sure all the kids are in the gardens trying to copy them. And how calm was Owen Morgod? I couldn't believe it. He's a good actor.

Oh, well, he must be a good actor, because the way he spoke and came Williamson but you know what I mean Agers interviewed him afterwards cry you're right if I was the captain I would have been going ballistic

but he was just calm probably why you weren't the captain well there you go there you go but I mean it just comes across and I think that he has this team is in his image you know he keeps talking about

the culture of the team and why have you I think he's been outstanding Phil wouldn't it be great I mean because when you get yourself in the position of captain and you win something yes you do get this hat on

you go, right, now I've got to start being serious again and speak like, wouldn't it be great if you just did exactly what you felt? Mike, don't you do that sort of when you get back to the hotel and shut the door, you take the hat off and go, yeah, you just screech in your room. Andy Zaltzman tweeted, yesterday's game was the 38th tie

in 4,046 completed men's ODIs, the fifth in only 432 World Cup matches. so on those numbers you would expect a Tide World Cup final about once every 400 years Can I just say Andy Zaltzman He has had a tremendous role. He has a tremendous tournament

He has a tremendous Even Andy was getting carried away He was going run Were his coloured pens all over the place? He was going to say what I think he lost his coloured things S plates on Twitter My son's been out with his friend last night And today playing cricket

He's never done it before and I got in the cricket set over five years ago. Soffers and Vaughn's Cricket Show on Five Live. So what we're going to do then, hopefully, is go through one ball from the 49th over, all the balls from the 50th over in the England innings, then all 13 balls of the two super overs. That is the plan, depending on how much we'll talk in between them and discuss them. But we've got plenty of time to go through each one,

but we'll do it. We'll start... CSI. Yes, CSI. You're going to give the score as well at the time, yeah? Well, I'll talk you through it. So we're going to start. We're in the 49th over here, okay?

England need 22 of nine balls. Stokes on strike and Nisham continues from that far end of bowls. Stokes has hit that high up, bolts down there again. Will you take the catch or will it go for six? Oh, he's fallen over, and the catch has taken. This will be a replay. Let's see if he hit that boundary He's stepping forward, he's stepping

Oh, he hits the boundary, it's six It is six Game lost if he doesn't step on the boundary rope Well, he had it, didn't he? He took the catch, it was a good catch Yeah I mentioned it earlier, you know, he took a great catch to get rid of Carl off Brathaway at Old Trafford, very similar

Well, my West Indish supporting mate sent me a message which I'll edit like Tuft as editor mine Which the gist of, why on earth couldn't he have done that Against the West Indies? Well, he did everything, and then he just stumbled back. Yeah. You could see Martin Guptal was running and he flicked it to him,

and it was too late. His left booted trot on that foam roller. That was the moment. Yeah. And fair play to Martin Gaptel, because straight away, Martin Gaptall stuck his hands up and said that's six. Yeah, but New Zealand are like that, you know. They play the game properly.

They do. They're not wasting any time. They're not going to third-un-pie-to-ab. But you're right. But you're right. But you had it. He had it in the best. boundary rope. He had caught it

and then for some reason it was just like a little involuntary step back and that's what hit it. If he'd caught it and then straight away thrown it in the Martin Gaptool that was out. Did you see Ben Stokes' reaction? No. He thought he'd gone. Yeah. Well, it's a long way out there, man. Yeah, but he didn't think he'd got anywhere near

the middle of the bat. No. And he just, he had his head in his hands and he was almost like kind of just trying to get his right eye to have a look because he didn't want to watch and he thought he was out. He thought that was it. Dun & Dustal gave him a call actually there's a replay from from an angle where you're sort of behind Bolt

and you can see Goptil and Guptel does shout something to him as he starts to take it but I think by then the momentum it probably was too late for it. Yeah but if you look at it I just think he he had enough space to him He did he had it

I just wonder if the call from Guptel maybe just put him off a little bit and made him stumble only he can tell us that but you know he's an outstanding field of bolt you know and he takes those catches isn't he sleep? He does. That was the game, by the way. Yeah, it was. That gets caught.

We're done. All right. I wonder over the course of the next six balls, I wonder how many times you might say that was the game, because there are some more to come. So, after that delivery, Ben Stokes then hit a single. Joffre Archer was then clean bold, which meant that they needed 15 off the last over with Ben Stokes on strike.

ball one. Here's Bolt. The start of the final over. He runs in smoothly. Boles to Stokes is a lovely full ball. It digs it out and they're not going to take a run there. Good decision. With hindsight or even at the time? No. Ben Stokes, last six balls is the only person who's going to get you anywhere close

is Ben Stokes. You've got to hit boundaries. Two's fours or six is. Yeah, exactly what I said on Com's. He's got to deal in even numbers. Two, four or six. And I think Jeremy said, well, he could get an eight. I'm not too sure where the eight is coming from. But he had to deal in even numbers. Adal Rashid was out there.

All he had to do is run. Get his running boots on. I mean, this is all irrelevant now, but were you surprised they went Archer ahead of Adel Rashid? Or is it six of one half a dozen of the other tougher? Sorry, no, because that last ball he faced as, was a free hit as well.

It was a shot to nothing as well, really, because Ben Stokes was on strike at the other end. So he had a free pass. If you clout it, you're clouted it. You're only going to go and get two to get Ben back on the other end anyway. so it was almost a pass just to have a bit of a dart. It didn't really matter that he got out in a funny sort of way.

You know, if he had got a four or six, fantastic, but he got bowled, and we were almost still in the same position. Right. Second delivery of the final over. Five balls to go, 15 needed, bolts on the way. Bowls to Stokes and Hammers out again to the edge of the circle, straight to the man. Well, what bowling that is. Four balls, 15 more.

Work it out. What, actually? Game over. Hang on, hang on. Hang on. I just want to play this clip again because the difference in your tone of voice and Jeremy's tone of voice is brilliant. So let's hear this one

again. Five balls to go, 15 needed, bolts on the way. Boles to Stokes and hammers out again to the edge of the circle, straight to the man. Well, what bowling that is. Four balls, 15 more. Four balls, 15 more. Four balls, 15 more. He's a cockahoot there. He thinks he's won the World Cup.

What great bowl in that one? Wasn't that, I think that that might have been a full ball. outside offstop that he smacked straight to a fielder, didn't he? Yeah, he didn't smack it. It was a tremendous york. It just did it in on him as well, just a little bit of lake swing, right under the bat. He couldn't do anything.

He tried to scoot it through that. He'd had four fielders on the offside. He had a third man. A yard either side, Mike, that was through, though. Yeah, he had a third man up in the circle. He had a backward point. He had a cover point. He had himself, an extra cover. And Stokes, just tried to give himself a bit of room

to smack it through there. Brilliant bowling. This is the next one. This is the ball coming up here. At that stage... Done. you thought they were done 15 off four balls

I know I was sulking I was sulking massively yeah that's why my voice was as it was the bottom lip was on the floor now oh you're crying okay what were you saying

tough as though what's that you said it's the next one well if this is the one that I'm thinking it is this is the one when I don't think it changes Phil I haven't just throw the last six balls up

of the over in the air and we're going to play them out randomly listen to this one listen to this one 227 for 8 15 needed. What can Stokes do? Bolt's on his way. Bowles to him. That's a length. And he heaves it away into the leg side. That's going to go for six.

What a shot. Well, well, Ben Stokes. He's the fiercest of competitors. That was amazing. Did you hear Lords? Yes. I've never heard Lords. Look at that. What about when who let the dogs out came on at? It was in the slot though, Mike, would it? I mean, that is his shot and it was just got it wrong. Even though, as you said, the greatness of Trent Bolt, who's greater bowling,

those in-swinging yorkers, he just gave him enough length to get down on that one knee and absolutely crunch it over deep midwicket and the place went mad. Well, it's a lap slog. It's a can of slag that you see against spinners, not against eight miles an hour

with a little bit of dip into the pads. Remarkable shot. Six inches either way, that's the perfect yorker almost. But a remarkable shot partly because of who he was facing. I mean, if you go back to the Indian New Zealand the semi-final that last

well the whole of the Indian innings the way New Zealand bowled and fielded was a master class and so even throughout this whole run chase from England in the final

you're thinking this is going to be so tough because of how they bowl and field and Trent Bolt is their bowling lead yeah I mean and he tried to get the old school Yorker going

and on that wicket yesterday I mean Jeremy Coney kept saying pace off ball slow ball but it was brave man but if you had hindsight and it's always wonderful. I think Trent Ball,

I think, why didn't it a bowl the odd cutter? Why didn't a bowl into the surface? Brave man, a bowl of a slower ball cutter, though, isn't it, though? No one had hit a slow ball cutter for six. No, for sure. You know, the pace on the ball was getting hit. You know, it was getting deflected. And pace on the ball.

As a bowler, though, Mike, as a bowler, I totally agree with you, but that takes a lot of bottle because, you know, your fingertips are buzzing, your brain's all over the place, you're trying to keep a cool head. Do you think his brain will have been all over the place Well, because he trod on the phone four balls earlier.

Well, not really, no. No. It's just you've got to commit your skills. When it comes down to that, you just think yourself right, hold on a minute. Well, he's one ball away. He's one ball away. But you just think Yorker, Mike. You just think, listen, I'm going to go old school here

because it might flip out of my hand. It might slip. It might go over his head or anything like that. He's not a Tom Noddy ball. He's a Trump ball. No, he's not. But it's a brave delivery, a run-up and bowl a slow. a ball in that situation.

You go back. He's not playing in the 4th 11th 11th on a Sunday afternoon. I know, mate. I was there as well, mate, and I've bowled in a few situations like that. And in those situations it's a bit like, if I was bowling like that or something like that, you know,

oh, am I going to bowl a slower one just outside off stump? No, you go Yorker. And that's what Joffa Archer did. Jopher Archer did that because you just have to sort of think to yourself, listen, I'm just going to do what I know best, and that's get it full and quick. I mean, a genuine question, away from all the laughing.

Even at the highest level, with these professional bowlers, there could still be that little nagging doubt at the back of their mind that it might fly out of their hand and go over his head. All day long. Well, look at Archer's first delivery. Wide. Yeah. Yeah?

I mean, and for him to then come back from that, you know, so let alone thinking about this and pace off, and it's all very well and good when you're in the sort of like the 25th overs, But when it's coming down to the crunch, sometimes you just have to go back to basics. He's not on noddy, he's tremble. Well, no. So we're down to nine needed off three.

Nine off three. In goes bolt. It's a full toss. Swiped into the leg side. They want to get two here, surely. Come on, Adiel Roshin. Run. Stokes for the far end.

He's desperately getting there. He died. Oh, I go to four! Now, that came off Stokes. If it goes to four, There's nothing you can do about it. That's four. There's nothing they can do about it.

Stokes is saying to the umpard, don't let it count, but it does count. There's a silly little thing in cricket where if it deflects off a tail ender it goes to run, the sportsman doesn't run, but that's gone for four. There's nothing you can do about it. It's not a dead ball. Wow.

Wow. Let's just break that down. Ben Stokes, he hits it to midwicket. It's a full toss. It goes to the, I'm not too sure who threw it in. Mine, God. It was wanting to up to, yeah. And clearly, Ben Stoke has to get back on strike.

Adul Rashid has to get down to the non-strike. And he just turns and go. Ben Stoke puts his head down, he gets his bat in. He's not even looked to the mid-wicket. No. And to think that he's turned and gone, and then he's realized he's just got to get the, he gets the big dive out.

And that ball's travel, what, 60 metres? You think, in the air? Yeah. And for that ball to travel 60 metres, Ben Stokes to turn and go, run, dive, and the ball to hit the middle of the bat. I mean, there'll be a scientist out there that can tell me the percentage chances of that.

Well, actually, NASA on Sky last night was trying to work out the percentage of all of that happening. Whilst at the same time, you were dancing in the background with your arm around Ben Stokes, Michael, at that precise point, because I was watching the coverage last night. Also, that doesn't happen.

When he's bowled up ball and he's sort of like, sort of didn't hit it grey out, a deep midwicked, I think. We're all going, that has to go for four. If that doesn't go for four, what would it have been? seven off two. Yeah, seven off two. If that doesn't go for four, we're done.

And so as he's coming back, you know, there's half a chance that he can get a six or something like that. But we're kind of thinking, oh, no, it's only gone for two. And then it deflected off the bat. And oh, my word. I mean, the shot of Guptel with his sort of hands on his cap and a wry smile on his face in disbelief. Again, hindsight.

I mean, because... Wrong in, perhaps, Mike. Well, did he need to throw it? You know, hindsight with his... with the game as it was. Did he need to really be aggressive with it? Yeah, you would say yes, though, would you try to get stokes out. The New Zealand players today would have been sat having Bretham going,

oh, why didn't I do that? Why don't I pull that? Just when you lose like that, I mean, it's an awful situation. Yeah, that was when I whisper. I think you were next to me there, Phil. I'll whisper it said it's written in the stars. Yeah. It has to be.

Yeah, you did. Yeah. So, I mean, there was, there was sort of disbelief and confusion. at the time that happened. Well, we all said, we all said that's six. Ben Stokes were sort of on his knees with his hands in the air, apologising to the Kiwis. I think he's gone to them and said, I want to take that off.

Do you? Yeah, I'm glad he didn't. Well, I'm glad he didn't as well. I think he was like, holding his hand up. And there was a conversation with the umpires and clearly what we found out today that because the batsmen had not crossed

by the time the board had been thrown in. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. So Simon Tawful, however you want to pronounce it. I've always called him Simon Taffle, but I heard Jeremy Coney this afternoon on Drive describing Simon Torfel,

but has suggested England should have only been given five instead of six because of this rule, law, law 19, the act of the overthrow starts when the field that releases the ball. That's the act. It becomes an overthrow from the instant of the throw. Therefore, because Rashid and Stokes hadn't crossed, that was only one. Only one should have been given.

and then the four from the overthrowes making five not six. So that would have mean England needing four off the last two? Yeah so Ian Wyatt then says I'm sick of it who's just a listener not on the Laws Committee or anything says I'm sick of hearing

about this extra run nonsense from Simon Towerful England would have lost if it wasn't for this that is wrong if Stokes had needed two to tie off the last ball not one he'd have cream that final ball full toss for another boundary make you dead right Knee high full toss who he just bunted for one

who would have put it in Rose Ed couldn't agree more I'm not too sure if it got into Rose Ed but I think he'd have played that last ball he just plays it to stay in the game make sure that he gets the one you know he was in such good

zone one it had smashed it a bit harder than he actually did see if that doesn't go for four Mike yeah you you can't Ben Stokes couldn't have got up and then carried on running could he until a New Zealand fielder had got the ball and then thrown it back.

The only reason that that then counts is if it breaks the boundary, isn't it? So basically, if the ball... He wouldn't have run. No, he wouldn't. If the ball had gone all the way to the baron and stopped within a millimetre of the foam, of the rope, it'd have been just the two runs that England got. They certainly wouldn't have run on, no, absolutely not. Tava went on to say it's a clear mistake.

It's an error of judgment. This is in an article in the Times. In the heat of what was going on, the umpires thought there was a good chance the batsman had crossed at the instant of the throw TV replays showed otherwise. He's been controversial

he's probably right in terms of the law. I thought they'd crossed. Did you? They didn't. There's a picture. You have no idea. You're just saying that.

You're just being a bit patriotic there, Bill. I don't think you'd be a very good third umpire. I would be an exceptional third up but we'd win everything, I'm going to show you. Right.

To the penultimate delivery. three to win Bolt goes in and bowls to Stokes who hammers it down the ground They're running They're running And Rashid's coming back

For the second Surely the throw comes in And is run out Stokes is on strike Rashid is run out They'll get one for that Fantastic bit of fielding

By the way Brilliant take by Trent Bolt Amazing take by Trent Bolt Just in front of the stumps Comes fizzing in You couldn't get a better throw I don't know who threw it From the what was it

Deep mid-off boundary fantastic fielding to run. Did Santana throw that? I don't know if it was Santonet. No? I'm not too sure who might have been Santon. You know, it was all kind of getting a wash at that stage. You have to say in those final few hours,

that's why I said earlier about neither team froze. New Zealand's fielding. You know, the catch of Ferguson, the catch of Tim Thaler was on the field as a substitute. You know, those throws, you're under that much pressure. The balls hits, you're right. The outfit at Lord's is a billiard table. You should get it in your hands.

Still, just still get it in your hands and throw it so accurately. And that was flung in fast. For him to get it into his hand and then whip the bells off quickly. Remarkable skill. I mean, when you say, you know, why did you do all those hours of fielding practice?

There's a lot of the time. You're doing a feeling, you go, another go. And you'll play like two teams, and you flick the ball out into the outfield, and you try and get it quickly in, and you'll have a bit of a competition. All the hours that you do that is for that moment.

And the fielding coach always says, well, the only reason why we do this is because it might be a situation. where we need one run, you know what I mean? And you're going, oh, yeah, right, oh, you know what I mean? And that it was the case. But that ball was... The voice you put on for the field encoder

suggests that you may not have had a great relationship with your fielding coach. Perhaps not. But also, if you look at that, that is one of those balls that is fizzing in. I reckon that would have hit the stumps anyway. It was one of those ones that you either sort of like, you stand behind the stumps and sort of hope it hits the stumps

and if you don't, you can easily misjudge it. but he's taken it just in front of the stumps and then just knocked them off. I mean, that was a superb gather. Because you're talking millimetres, aren't you? And as you say, the pace it's thrown in, at the non-strikers end as well. And what was Rashid at?

By a metre? Was it about a metre? It was remarkable fielding. It was Santana. It was Santana who threw it in. And also, I've just been reminded that Paul Farbrace told me and Michael last week that when they did fielding drills with you,

tough as you used to hide behind the sight screen. You didn't say you didn't get involved. Occasionally. We're down to the last ball of the 50th over. Oh, man. Here's the last ball of the match. Two needed to win for England. Bolt runs in. Bowles to Stokes a low full toss.

He pushed it down the ground. And Wood's going to run out. Here they come. Up to the non-strike. He's out. It's run out. The match is tied. Oh, he's out.

He's out by two metres, I reckon. Now, Mike. Yeah. They've obviously thought they. there, this is now, don't get out, isn't it? Because as I said, it was a knee eye fully. He could have smacked that for four or hit it anywhere else. He has decided there just not to get the wicket,

not to lose his wicket, isn't it? Yeah, I reckon. I think it's the right decision. You reckon? Well, it's the right call, because if you try and launch it and you get out, you've lost the World Cup. Yeah. You know, what he was thinking, right,

percentages, I'll hit it, and I reckon we'll get back for two. Yeah. On the amount of pressure that the New Zealand feelings run, I know they just produced the run-out to get, Just hit a gap. Just hit it and we'll gamble that they'll fumble or they'll not get the throw in directly

and, you know, something may happen and fumble at the stumps. Again, remarkable fielding under that amount of pressure. What? Unbelievable. But I mean, yeah, so he's just... Was that centre again?

No, it was on the on side. That was on the on side. He's just pushed it at mid-on. Might have been Nisham. Yeah, it might have been Nisham. Yeah, I reckon he's thought to himself just get, if anything, just dink it into a gap but he's almost hit that too well

and he sort of middled it very similar to the last ball of the game yeah middled it too well to him and then Wood run out it was Nisham it was Nisham it was Nisham it meant nicely the England's three tail enders Archer Rashid and Wood were all out

having faced a total of one ball didn't matter didn't matter it really didn't matter now try explaining that in a few years time that England won a World Cup having been on the chase

and being bowled out. Yes. Well, go through the superovers after the news. But at this stage, who would you as captain be looking at as your three foot? What would you have been looking for

from your batsman for the superover? The obvious first one is Stokes because he's in and he's seeing it. Well, no. Not necessarily. I think he'd go up to him and say, how you're feeling, mate? Because he was absolutely dead on his feet,

but yeah, he's in, he's pumped, the blood's pumping. but I think he would have been asked. Do you not go up to and how you're feeling and whatever he says, go, I don't care, you're still going to have to back. It was always going to get a break because it took forever to start the super over. And, you know, you've got to have the two players

that played the best on that wicket. And that was Butler and Stokes. I thought it was quite an easier decision. I might have been tempted to stick Jason Roy in there, but I think he was going in three anyway, won't he? Did we find out who was coming in next? No, no, I don't think we did. Someone will tell us.

Yeah. Wasn't required? I don't know. Tuffers and Vaughn's Cricket Show On 5 Live What you're looking at? I'm looking at Jason Roy's Instagram stories

And they're in the garden At number 10, I have to say They're looking a bit jaded I'm actually going to listen to it From Half 8 because I think I'd Passed out about half past I think I was in St John's ambulance Around the back of the pavilion by then

So I'm really intrigued what happened So am I to be honest That was a nice touch What they did at the Oval today I'm just seeing that on some honours as well It was a good idea Yeah great The All-Star's cricket programme

For 5 to 8 year olds Loads of kids down at the Oval The England team arrived with the World Cup Yeah that's what English cricket needs Yeah Inspire all the next generation of kids Get cricket being played As much as we say free to work

Get cricket being played in schools More schools chappas Not enough play the game No that is very true Right let's go on to the super over then We discussed that it was the right decision for Stokes and Butler, here's the first ball of the Super Over. Here's the first ball of the Super Over to decide the World Cup final.

And it's Trent Bolt for New Zealand, running into Ben Stokes of England. He's heathed that away, and he's got it over the offside field, down to third man. Will it carry all the way? No, it won't, but they will come back for three. He was exhausted, wasn't he? Yeah. I mean, he was exhausted. Another reason why, I mean, Butler's a tremendously powerful play, but he's rapid between the wicket.

He was lapping Ben Stoke. Ben Stone. It was like, come on, Stoke. Just give it a little bit oomph. Try and get down the other end if you can. Joss was just like zooming between the wickets. The perfect start. Because when he hit it and it went in there,

I thought, oh, no, it's going straight to short third man. I thought it was going to be one of those that England lose a wicket with the first ball. And it just managed to get over the top of, I think it was, I'm not too sure who. It might be DeGrant. Was it Leithon? Yeah.

Yeah, he was keeping DeGrand on. I was at short third man. And he just kind of gets over. Sorry, you were in the ambulance. That was a perfect start to the Super Oval And it also then got back Josh Butler Who in that kind of position Best 360 hitter in the world

But this is what happened on the second ball Bolt's on his way So the second ball In he goes and bolts to Butler Who hits him away into the leg side There's a man there on the boundary He got a bit of an awkward bounce But he throws it back

It's only one run So I'm going to four for no wicked After two balls Could have been four Could have been four Yard he decided that's four Four off two balls Stokes back on strike for the third.

Here comes the third ball. Bolt runs up. Left arm over and Stokes has hit that away into the leg side. Has he found the gap? He has! He has! Get him! He'll feel the dive despairingly at full length. He got a hand to it.

But he simply run the ball into the boundary. Eight for no wicked. I apologise now. I went from being a broadcast to a fan. I think you're probably allowed in that situation. Yeah. Swing, swung it, found the gap, four runs A couple of times he's done that

Those two men on those leg side In the deep Had hoovered them up And just got ones and twos But that time Split them beautifully The atmosphere was sensational by this stage Was that?

It was unbelievable I mean, you know, cricket's had You know, great atmospheres before But we'd never seen that at Lord's Now, even the members were up, Mike, wouldn't he? Oh, they were seeing that sweet Caroline came I mean, it was electric Well, I often hear you say this on one day as in T20s

and you always talk about the DJ and this, that and the other, right? Having worked on that side of it with the ECB for a decade, it is the same guy at every ground called Kevin, who's an Australian, right? So we've had some fun over the years. And actually, if you watch on some of the grounds, you will see a green tent, and often he is located in... Is that Kevin's tent?

That's Kevin's tent, the green tent. But he just knows the right track at the right time to get the atmosphere going. He doesn't, much as I'm loath to pay him a compliment, he doesn't just throw it together. And that's right. And, you know, the semi-final and the final, he got it spot-off right. He knows when they put high-ho on. He knows when he put sweet-carolite. I don't know where who let the dogs out came from.

I don't know where he got that one from. That was mid-afternoon. He's not going to put a ballad on, is he or something? Anyhow, we don't want to do we don't. Wuthering, light, teeth clear. Moving quickly on, we're on eight off the first three of the Superover. It goes in of a song. There's a fourth ball.

Boul goes in. Bowles a low full toss. Oh, he's hit it straight to the man there on the edge of the circle. Well field on the edge of the circle, they take one. So nine for no wicket with two balls to go. That was the one I was thinking about, Mike. That was the one, low full toss, middle of the bat from Stokes, smashed it straight away.

extra cover. That was half a yard either side. There was no man on the deep extra cover boundary. That was four. That's when I just thought, oh, we might not be, you know, it might be going against.

And I'm assuming you discussed the target in the TMS box of what you want off a supero match. I did ask Andy's Altsmell. I did ask him, you know, what's a pass score in a Super Bowl? I think he was looking for his pens by then,

by it. Is it the fifth ball? Well, we'll find out in a minute. That shot. that Butler then plays and I thought Williamson got his field wrong he had midwicket in and he got it wrong he should have brought

I can't remember he could have extra cover backward point I think he had third man back because of those ramp shots he's concerned about it or mid-off he had one of them and he should have had midwicket back yeah yeah right so here we are this is the penultimate ball then we're on nine

at the moment bolt two balls to go left arm over the wicket bowls a low full toss and that's chipped away into the offside they'll try and get two it's field it in see it he lost it and they've got two oh no

and that was great because he didn't see it and that got Butler back on for then to him I think to hit that four that you're talking about might we always say momentum shifts in the game but the last ball of the super over when it goes for a boundary but it was I'm not too sure again he was fielding down on that cover

boundary but the sun was so low and the lights were on and it was glaring in his face nickels was on it was nickels down on the bottom and the ball went and I was watching I was going, dear, that's going for 40, you just didn't see it. Ran the wrong way, Mike. He did.

And you're dead right as well. You see, the thing that opened up that mid-wicket, sorry, going on to the next ball now, is that they had a fine leg, I think it was, Mike, was really, really fine, almost behind the keeper. Because of the ramp. Because of the ramp. So they're all thinking he's going to go for the ramp.

That's what Josh Butler's renowned for, and then he did this. With a ball to go, Buckler on strike, and bolt on his way. He bowls to him. He chips on the leg side, out towards. The boundary goes. It hits the bound.

Unbelievable finish. He's both quite good at length. And Butler was merciless. That's when they needed a ballot. Go on Phil. That's where he needed Wuthering Heights at that point. Go on, Phil. I mean, so those final two balls.

First, the pace of Butler in running the two, yes, even though the field had lost it and the like. And then, because of Butler's one of his go-to shots, the ramp put that uncertainty in Williamson's mind. Double bluff. I reckon it was a thick inside edge that went for four that. I don't think it came out of the middle. I just think he's got tremendous hands to me.

That right hand that just goes through the ball with sheer power. And because of the power at the time, it doesn't matter where it comes off the bat with Josh Butler. You know it hits the gap. The outfield yesterday was so quick. And you could just see, as soon as it beat Midwicket, you just knew it was going to go for four.

I mean, I've never played a super over in all my life, but I can imagine when that last ball goes for four, the fielding team must say, oh no. Yeah. Two would have been five. Were you happy with 15? Oh, delighted.

Not half. Yeah, delighted. Anything. I think it was a score, Phil, in it? In a Super Over 15? Of course, yes, without a doubt. Anything, double figures, anything with double figures you're thinking you're in the game.

The best thing about a Super Over, and I've done a couple in the IPL, they seem to take forever. They do. It takes forever for it to start. And then England back, they get 15, and it took, we were on air. I know.

I went on air yesterday, 10 past 6. I didn't come off till half 8. I reckon the super over. I mean, I reckon it took about 45 minutes. Two overs. They wouldn't come out to bat. I think you're a stone lighter, Mike. You're a stone lighter.

Your trousers, you needed to do your belt up. How long did it take them to? We were trying to work out. Who's going to come out? We thought Nisham, Guptel. We thought Guptel because... I think that's a mistake. I thought that was a mistake.

Did you? Yeah. Well, Gopter, he hasn't scored a run. Yeah, but they thought... Kane Williamson. You've got one of the best batsmen in the world. okay he's not renowned for his big hitting but Martin Guptal

low on confidence hasn't scored a run all thing he's thrown the ball and he plays the short and he plays the short he played that cut over third man for six I think it was a mistake I think that was a mistake but a funny thing in the Supero

we were talking weren't we and we were saying if England only got six Kane Williamson would have batted yes I'd have got I'll go out and sort this out but because they got to 15 you know they had to go for the real power players

I mean the tactic just for one over game Just little tactics. Imagine being the skipper out there. Who's going to go out there? I'm going to change probably every single ball. Although tough, as DeGrandome had struggled against. He couldn't pick Joffra's slower ball bouncer.

Well, okay, I would have gone with Nisham and my best player, which was Kane Williamson. Well, history tells us you'd have tried to put five batsmen in a superover. Well, there you go, but I just wouldn't have gone for Martin Gaptal. The best thing about the super over again, England didn't know. We didn't know. Joffer Archer comes out there, where he bowled all his overs. pavilion end, he's marking his room

at the pavilion, I'm going and I can remember from the end, he's got a ball at the other end. Trent Ball decided the end to ball he's got a ball at the same end and Joffa was ready to go and they had to change. He then had to go to the nursery stand

to bowl is over. The one good thing as well, why did Trent Bolt decide to go that end? It's left and right combination as well which was Andy so it didn't particularly matter but Trent Bolt, you would have thought being left armour might have gone nursery.

Well, down the slope in my... Do they use a new ball in a super? No, I don't think so. No, it wasn't new, no. No, no. They had the box out there. I mean, there's been so much written and spoken about Ben Stokes since yesterday. And we've heard of kids who are out there wearing the Ben Stoke shirts and playing cricket this evening and so on and so forth. And he is, you know, he is a bona fidey superstar now to the general public, not just the cricketing public. But I thought one of the most interesting things out of everything that he has done in this World Cup was something that Joffa Archer said after the game yesterday.

which was that when he was given the ball for the super over Ben Stokes went over to him and shook his hand and said whatever happens in this over it will not define you as a cricketer which I thought was a I just think it's just a what a brilliant thing to go and do

and say with what he has been through and also he was the bowl at 23 20th and he's been there and it's not defined him he's come back from it You know, Ben Starr, he's sports personality of the year, ain't he? Got to be, ain't he? Got to be.

I might even show up to that one. Yeah, he will be. He will be. Got to be. No? Well, I have no idea what might happen over coming with someone. I'm saying it now. He will be sports personality.

If we win the ashes, if we win the ashes, cool. No, he doesn't. It made the one of the World Cup. There's only 66, 203, now 2019. Yeah. We will dominate that program. Well, I just, do you know, I just think that what I'm, I just think that shows real maturity and leadership.

Yeah, it does indeed. And what we don't see, and I hear a lot from what goes on behind the scenes with the Singland team, for the last six weeks, he has been a revelation. In that dress room, in the training out, he's been in the gym, this has been his moment. And of course, he was, he was vice captain until he did what he did, which he brought all of that on himself in Bristol. Of course he did, but I think he doesn't need the vice captaincy. He doesn't need any leadership role because he leads, by example. He leads on the training field. He leads in the dressing room.

He galvanises this group of players. The way that he goes about his business, you just see him in the field. He's like an animal. He's just running around. He wants the ball. And that's why I say, I didn't see one player from either side that went missing yesterday. I didn't look out and go, oh, there's a player. Usually, like me in the field, I'd go hiding at short third man or something.

make sure I don't get the ball. Not one individual was out there trying to hide. A lot of people get, a lot of people have these troubles in their careers don't they? And they say sorry and sort of like, and then do it again and sort of like it doesn't really mean anything. I reckon that when I think

that that has really registered to him. And he's taken it completely on board and completely changed his life around. Although not that that pep talk to Archer did much good at the start of this over. Here's the first ball. Was it though? Here's the First ball. Archer from round the wicket. Bowles, very wide outside. The off-stump, it's

corner wide. And Archer there, he looked devastated at that call. It was a good length. I think it was very full, but there's one. There's a gimmie for New Zealand. Mike, you're on comms there. Was it wide? That hit the line. What does that mean? You know, you tell me, Phil, it was a close call. I know that. Darmacina's arms went out early his arms. You know, you knew straight away. You can understand why it was given. Yeah, you can understand. That was fine. But then...

And he could understand why he was trying to bowl as well to Nies and get it wide, just inside the line you see it all the time these days. It was probably a centimetreve been the perfect delivery. But what are then to come back? Now I'm sitting there thinking, oh, crikey. The young fella, he's got to now really bloody do his trousers. So you were thinking, oh, cricky, that bloody fella's got to really do his trousers?

Well, no, he's got to be... What's it called? I have that. Roll his sleeves up because... Because, you know, because, because, because the one thing you don't want as a bowler, the one thing you don't want as a bowler in a final lovel, he's... Roll your trousers up, that's the word. Right.

So he rolled his trousers up. So he's rolled his trousers up because you could wobble then, couldn't you? First ball wide, you can wobble. You certainly, particularly if your trousers are all over the place. So here we go. This is what I put down. He goes archer. He bowls to Nisham, very full, beautifully bold.

They're going to run this. The second one quickly because I think Gutt might have stolen that one a bit the throw goes to the far end and they've made their second. Yorker.

I mean they were running well weren't they? What a delivery of that was? Yeah, Yorker. The first ball's wide and then he just nails that Yorker. Yeah. Incredible skill.

Okay, so two runs and the wide so three runs off the first two. Feeling good now. So then he's 12 or 5. Feeling happy in the con box. Of five. Here's the second ball of the over. 13 needed from five balls.

Archer runs in easily and bowls. He does. for six. What a shot. Six into the mound stand. And Archer missed his length. Seven from four.

Oh my God. What a shot. Oh my God. You say hitting it out of the screws. That was, it was an angle ball around the wiki. Probably going to go on and hit leg stump. And it was just in that slot. You see it on the TV where you see the graphics

of all the different zones where the ball lands. The slot. And these players, particularly with pace on. Yeah. You know, they're doing a little bit of pace. off it might have disguised the shot and it might have been a top edge but it was pace on he just swung it baseball style

it went flat. I went flat into that stand down the bottom. I don't know who was trying to catch it but there was someone in that crowd I think he went straight into the Barmy Army for that's where the Barmy Army were. I think Dave from Guilford Dave from Guilford he was trying to catch it because he was in Rose Head he absolutely minced

it. Game gone I thought then. Game gone Me too. All over. You had your head in your hands Phil. I've just woken up and then fainted again. On to the next one? Archer, round the wicket, moves in bowls to silence. That's clubbed away into the leg side. They shouldn't get two, but they're going to try it.

Oh, there's a bumble out there. And they do get there too. Mike, was that the short ball? No, no, that was the full ball. And it was a good... Nailed it again. Yeah, just under the bat. And it was Roy running in,

and Roy's a brilliant field. In that same position. And it was the only time out, and he snatched at the ball. It just took a little bounce. Just before him, he snatched at it. And again, I thought, done. That's it. One big strike away.

That fumble highlights, again, what we were talking about earlier, with the... Nichols. Well, with the Mark Wood run out, and Santner, and his pick-up and throw and the way Trent Bolt, you know, we're talking fine margins. Yeah, fine margins. And, well, Jason Roy has the last laugh.

Well, he does, which we will come on to. Hold on. This is the ball that wins it for us now, and this shows... Because he gambled here. He gambled here, mate. We were talking just earlier, weren't we, about pitch-up pitch up, go to what he'd though, I would never

had dreamt it. He would have been bowling this next delivery. In goes Archer, round the wicked, ball stream and it's heaved into the leg side. That's heading towards the boundary, intercepted by Roy. They shouldn't get two now. The throw comes in to Archer and has made his ground again. Gaptil again has made it up to this

end. Thirteen for no wicket, three more for New Zealand to win. That was the short ball might, wasn't it? I don't think it's the next one, Phil. I've gone early, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, that was the full ball that they ran two and the shunter got two. Go, what do you carry on?

Yeah, and then it's the next ball that he gambled. This is where you know, Geoff Rocher so far he's kept his call, he's been it for 1-6, no idea what he's going through in terms of his mentality but he decides a split second to go, you know what, I've got to change my length

that is the difference between winning and losing. And that is where you can just, if you're going to be looking to bowl of short pool and I don't think it was an off-paced ball, but if you're looking at a bowl of short ball, you can get it marginally wrong, that can go whizzing over the That's men's head. That can be a wide.

You can get a top edge on it. It can go anywhere. This was the gamble. So this is the one. Yeah. This is the one. Three to win off two. Yeah.

Archer from round the wicket. Bowls to unleash him. It's short. It clubs it away. They get a single. Don't throw it. Don't throw it. Don't throw it.

Sorry. Archer there had the ball in aim for a moment at the non-striker's end. But there was nobody there to take it. Two from one. Atchus. Don't throw it. How many people in the country was saying that? How many people were shamed?

people were shouting at the TV or the radio and said, do not throw it. But Mike, that was the ball as we just said. I think it was a slight cut, you know. Oh, was it? I thought it was just like a good chest high. He got through his shot. He was just skillful. I mean, I need to see it again, but I don't think it was his knuckleball. His knuckle ball

that got for Glenn Maxwell at Edgebaston. It was just a little bit off pace and he just threw the shot, just slightly too soon. So we're at two runs to win the world. Cup, okay, the ball has already gone to Jason Roy twice in this super over. He's fumbled one and they've run two on that and then

they've run two on the second one. I heard Steve Harmanson say something earlier on another radio station, but I heard Steve Harmanson say something earlier about how so many fielders in that situation it's actually better be in the bowler rather than being a fielder because there's a fielder you're thinking please God don't let this ball come

anywhere near me. Well, I don't think they'd singlin side would. But if you have been in the field, you would have been thinking that, wouldn't you tougher? No, I'd have loved it. Honestly, and I wasn't the best fielder, this is when you're buzzing,

you're buzzing, you're buzzing, you're chicken. You would want this, you would want this to come to you. Bring it on, come on, come on, I want to be the man who runs the fella out and wins the World Cup. Well, it doesn't matter, I'd still have to go. Would you want it to come to you? No, absolutely not. I'd want it to go to the best fielders in the team.

I've got more better fielders in this team than many other England teams, but I'd have been hiding at short third back. Two to win the World Cup then, one to tie, which would obviously give England the World Cup because they'd hit more boundaries in the game. And the man facing it, Martin Guptill,

facing the only ball that he faced in this super over. It's come to this. Here's the last ball of the World Cup final. Archer Bowles it. It's clipped away into the leg side. They're going to come back for the second. The throw's picked up. They throw to the cricket keeper's end.

He's not a lot of him. I think he's run out. England think he's run out. They're celebrating. Wait now, listen. That tells you that England has won the World Cup Picked up beautifully

threw in beautifully Listen Butler still had a bit of work to do But I mean listen it was what What was it? Four foot, five foot away from the stumps Beautifully gathered on the bounce You know on that lovely catchable height As you said Butler even with the gloves on Could have made a hash of it

Yeah and he just took them off and well And I tell you that's where I wouldn't have put Martin Guptel in there Because to be fair It was a good delivery from Joffre Archer because it just tailed in, could have hit him on the pads, but I just think a Kane Williamson could have clipped that. You know what I mean? Martin Gaptor, he wasn't in Nick.

Kane Williamson might have got a bit more bat on it. Thank God he didn't. He either needed more bat on it to go into the gap for four. Or he needed less. Yeah, little scoundrel. It just kind of tickle and trickle to Jason Roy. But that's skilled to it. I mean, what are you thinking there, I've no idea.

When you're running towards the board, he gets it in his hand perfectly. You have been fumbled one, two, three balls early. And to get the throw, The distance of the throw That was the key The distance So as you said Phil

The bounce to butler Was the perfect one He takes it And you could see I mean From up in the comma We get the best view You could just see

That go up till the pace Of the ball He just timed it too well It went straight to Jason Royce So he didn't have to run around it Either way left or right It went directly to I reckon five yards

To the left or the right He'd have made it back You know you do And he didn't It went straight to him Over the top Just outside Thank you very much

England Champions Oh, what a day. I'm exhausted now, just talking about it again. It was just brilliant. Put Kate Bush on in the car on the way home and Carvillardine. Honestly, Jimmy Nisham, who I think for a lot of people is one of the discoveries of this World Cup. Well, let's just go back four years ago.

With how he conduct. Yeah, go on. He was in the crowd at the MCG as a supporter, supporting New Zealand in the final. Yesterday he played in the final. Year and a half ago, two years ago, he was quitting the key. game had enough quitting the game he's got a business in new zealand made it great character quality cricketer i think he took the catch of the tournament i thought he's i thought his catch when he dismissed uh cartick in the semi-final yeah yeah yeah you're not wrong there

there's been some great catches because of the context of it and how he had to get to it and how big he is yeah i tell you what was good catch yesterday they're not really made it's that ferguson catch to get rid of uh owing morgan yeah that was good and the catch to get rid of joss Butler. Because Tim Southley on the bound he misjudged that and he went back. He went back and he saw it and then all of a sudden made a very difficult catch look very easy.

He's only just come on the pitch. Yeah, he had. So Jimmy Nisham sent two tweets after the game. This is brilliant. This is absolutely brilliant. I don't care. What sport you are involved in play, love, watch this will resonate. You don't have to be a cricket fan to understand this. Jimmy Nisham tweeted that hurts. Hopefully there's a day or two

over the next decade where I don't think about that last half hour congratulations England well deserved and then a bit later on he tweeted kids don't take up sport take up baking or something diet 60 really fat and happy

that's really he's a great character New Zealand I mean he's a great character New Zealand I mean you can't come out with any more credit for losing a final they are the team I reckon you know yesterday's final I think the rest of

of the world wanted New Zealand, I have to say. You know, the tweets I get from India, it was quite obvious that I think the Indians wanted the New Zealanders to win. And, you know, I can understand what. They are a team that get the best out of themselves. They don't play an expansive way. And at times you're looking at them going,

you know, you'd probably rather watch other teams play cricket. But you've got so much admiration for the way that they go about the business, maximines every ounce of ability out of every individual. I have some information. Owen Morgan was going to bat at three in the Superover. Right. Because as soon as they saw that,

Trent Bolt was born in from the nursery and they wanted a left-hander. It was going to be Jason Roy and Owen Morgan was going to send himself in. It goes back to all the tactics, even in the Superover, all the little tactics and nuances. Get rid of the 100, let's just play a Superover. I can just, I've got one word.

What'd reckon to that cat? That'd be a short afternoon, isn't it? I've got one word. You'd like that. Advice for Jimmy Neeson, which is a couple of fantastic tweets and everything now. I was part of that 1992 World Cup. What was that?

27 years ago. And it still hurts. Yes. It still hurts, mate. So he's got a bit of time to try and get over that. You get over it and you move through it and everything. But every once in a while, as you're just going back to sleep and you put your duvet over you and you put your head on your pillar,

you go, oh, why didn't we win that? Oh, God. A couple of quick things before we replay the final hour from yesterday between half eight and nine. a good one from Richard Gambrill, who's a Kiwi listening in the UK, an email from him. I'm happy for England and think as the number one team in the world

they deserve to win. I feel for the black caps. But I do feel the black caps bus might have run over a family of black cats on the way to Lords. That is why cricket is a wonderful game. What I do hope to come out of these last two World Cups is that New Zealand get invited in Inverter Commons

to play England, India and Australia, more improper series. 2020 is the next time we are back in the UK from 2015 Surely both England and New Zealand fans deserve more than a two test series every seven years We're a top one-day side The second best test team and we bring entertainment And I'll tell you what, in our winter, Australia's summer

New Zealand are playing at the MCG The Boxing Day test for the first time, I think, since 1984 So they are getting a little bit more of a spot on that tweet We'll have them every year, bring them over. We'll have them every year, they can come and stay around mine. And bring some of that good wine with them. David in Bracknell, one of many who've got in touch along these lines, Jeremy Coney suggested it on Drive Later,

and he was very keen to point out it's not sour grapes, but a draw after 50 overs and after the superovers, could you have had joint winners? Wow, I don't know, Ken. We're going to do sorry enough. Yeah, I'm not for that. Okay, you think at the end of a tournament, there has to be one win.

Could you have had a second super over? I must admit, I don't like the outcome being on the boundaries of the day. No, no, I think that's nonsense. Yeah, no, I make it right, Mike, because back in the old days it would have been less wickets, New Zealand win. Yeah, absolutely. They lost eight. We were bowled out. Yeah. But at the end of it? We're champions. Who cares? We've got the trophy.

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