Test Match Special - What are the greatest ever Lord's moments?

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

Simon Mann, Michael Vaughan, Phil Tufnell, Jonathan Agnew, and Andy Zaltzman debate their greatest and favourite moments that have happened at Lord's.From the England Men's 2019 World Cup win, to the Women's World Cup glory in 2017. From Jonny Bairstow's infamous Ashes stumping in 2023, to Ben Stokes bowling the then New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum in 2015. Plus, an unforgettable story of when Aggers held some Bob Massie memorabilia.

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Thank you. Bye. You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live. We're going to have a look at our Lord's Memories. First Test match was played here in 1884. And since then, of course, there have been many stunning highlights. Archer Bowles it has clipped away into the leg side. They're going to come back for the second. The throw's picked up.

They throw to the cricket keeper's end. He's not hard as he. I think he's run out. England think he's run out. Oh, hang on. Now, this is interesting. Berto's walked out of his crease. He's thinking it's the end of the over.

Carey has flung the stumps down from long range. Besto stalks off. He's had a word there where the Australians going past. They could have withdrawn the appeal. Bresier Bowles. Syrah gets one that spins. Oh, he. He's bowed him.

He's played on. And Bashir is leaping around. He's engulfed by his teammates. Siraj cannot believe it. Trubsoll in now. Bals for Bolsa! In goes Stokes. Listen to the crowd.

He bowls outside. The Ustamp is caught. Caught in the gully. Has Stokes with two balls left in this over. He's on his way. He's there. He bowls to McCullum. He's given him.

It's all it took. They all had to come back. Just three. deliveries and Phil Tuffanil takes five wickets again. Thank you. 95 for 7 now. Lily's gone for 12. So some excellent bowling at the death by Leicestershire.

That's an extraordinary stroke. Just as he played it, it had the feeling that he hadn't quite middled it. In fact, he did and he's hit it for six and gone past the 200 mark to become only the ninth cricketer in the history of the game. game to make a double century at Lords well an eclectic mix of memories there a fife for Tufters yes a one-day cut win for for Agus playing for Leicestershire 1985

beating beating Gooch yeah well a memorable day for you and what we've done is we've got Tuftus together and Michael is here as well and Jonathan just to look back actually some of the the memories at Lords but Michael you've got a quiz for us Phil Tuftonel at Lord's yeah how many balls Do you think Philip Tufnell has bowled here at the home of cricket? Must have bowled a few. Well in county cricket as well? Yes, all it test matches and county cricket.

How many balls has Philip Tufno? My calculator out. How many years do you play to have us? 18. I'll give you clear. He played 96 matches. Oh, there you go. Oh, okay. 96. There's not.

It's not easy doing arithmetic on the air. No, it's not. A few thousand. 17. thousand very not bad not bad i guess uh he he bowled 23 000 and 39 balls here at lords he he got 1,101 maidens 347 wickets this is very good 96 matches yeah 807 runs no he scored he had a very good batting line up at that time i wasn't i wasn't required quite a lot of balls phil so when did you lose i loved it no no loved every minute of it playing there let's be honest you know as

young kid walking in the lords that hadn't really wanted to be a professional cricketer or anything sort of fell into it a little bit but that walk in i can remember with me me tesco's bags over me back with me my boots in you know to do you had your boots in yeah that was for the mcc yc's and we're all meeting up in the dressing room the home dressing room and i've turned up and i just went wow this is this is someplace it was not have a kit back not really not in those days there was all the other fellas in blazers with sort of escar on them and everything and I've managed to sort of get in turn up and got told off by Don Wilson. Yes. Don Wilson was and what a touch to have that as your main mentor at the MCCYC's in England.

FDarmes-Mimbled. A great man too. Yeah, he was a great man. And I can just remember. What year was your, what year was you? I don't ask me about the years, Mike. I must have been 84 or 5 or something. That was the first time you came here.

Yeah, first time I came through those gates. I played with Derek Pringle here when I was 16. We were playing for some sort of England schools knockout type thing. You progressed. You got to play the armed forces or something like that. It was back in the day when all those sorts of games were played here. But that was, yeah, that was my first. I was 16 when I first played here.

And you'd never forget the first time. No, you don't. You don't forget any time, really. Just the smell of the place when you walk in the pavilion and, you know, all the stewards. and the tea trolley trundling up the corridor. All those sorts of them. Wooden trolley. Yeah.

My first, I said it the other day, Mike Gatting, giving me a Duncan Fairly bat. I was young cricketer or top scorer in, I think it was 1988. I think the Daily Telegraph had sponsored it. And Gat gave me, down in the tavern stand in the boxes. And the Middlesex, you might have been playing. Middlesex were playing, and I got invited down, and my school got a kit bag with a thousand pounds. worth of kittin to take back to sheffield

Silverdale Compe were happy with that yeah so that was that was my first first arrival here at lords yeah and I think my first game of cricket I've ever seen was at here as well my dad took me here middle sex I can't quite remember who it was and I can remember Don Bennett

who was my coach very patient man don't 20 years I can remember watching in bowl and I could only have only been about eight or something I don't know yeah so that was my first sort of game of cricket I watched was at Lord's but it was a big thing wouldn't it son we're gonna Lord yes yes I got Jellate Cup final so yeah won my first game here yeah

there again in the old grandstand what the first game you came to watch yeah at 11 years old yeah and uh watched Lancashire Kent playing here in the Gillette Cup final and um Peter Leaver I said to my dad that's who I want to be on with Peter Leaver was Bumble playing was he was Jack Bomber's captain yeah and so I mean it works out the silly way does yeah Bumble Barry would I could go through that team Harry Pilling Clive Floyd, Frouc engineer, all the, Ken Shuttlerworth, Leverley, you go through that team.

Were you sat in the stands or just, because I used to, my memories of laws are actually on the telly. I used to absolutely adore the finals. Oh, yeah. The Natt West final. It was pitch black. I'd just sit by it

all day. I'd get the scorebook out and I'd score the game. Yeah. Did you like? I did. Yeah, I used to always do that and I used to always kind of want to be the fans by the boundary rope that ran on. Yeah. Oh, why would you be, she's saying, why would you sit in the stands where you can sit on the

grass? Get ready to run on. They did run on too. They ran on at the World Cup final, didn't they? Of course, chaos. Yeah. With the Australia West Indies. Yes, they did in 1975. So those are your sort of first memories of coming here. We've all asked you to select your sort of favorite kind of playing, commentating memories of being here. I don't know if you can still remember the ones you gave at half-past one today but I've got a list fortunately for you but Jonathan let's start Lestershire 85 winning the Benton Hedges Club we never won anything and what what was lovely about that was yes we were playing Essex and so they were a good side and they were used to winning things and we we didn't do as well as we should actually we had a

really very good side but to come and play but what I loved about the finals in those days and that gave that was the one that we played but also the semi- finals which were big days as well you saw all the members who loyally followed you through at Grace Road you know year after year after year with nothing and suddenly there they are sitting over in the grandstand or whatever it's all those familiar faces and it's a great day those finals here and it's such a shame that they've lost that yeah because they really were and it was a county cricketers day out and it was it was absolutely fantastic and a couple of memories of that game

we were in the visiting side. That's where we were and it was all getting a bit tense and I remember Paddy Clift, Peter Willey played really well, Paddy Cliff waiting to go in and a great section of the ceiling of the dressing room just fell down straight on his head as he was watching great at the back I don't know why it why it fell down I was sharing a house with Gordon Parsons they're all fast polar Gordon and he bowled beautifully he bowled something like 11 overs for 30 or something he bowled beautifully And in those days, of course, you know, you brushed back in time for the high... But there was no champagne.

There was no celebration. We won the game, drove home. There was just nothing. And so he said, come on, let's get back, watch the highlights. Or he wanted to watch himself. So he got back to our flat. Got it on just in time. Watch the highlights.

Because he'd taken nought for 30. Actually, you did not see him in the whole program. He did to see him bowl a ball. He didn't see him field the ball. He didn't bat. Gordon Parsons did not feature at all. But you got a wicket. You must have featured.

I tell you who I got out. I got out. Oh God, what's his day? He was the crazy fellow from Essex. Alan Allen. Alan Lilly. Yeah, bold him out. Great fun old Lil.

Yeah. Oh, it was. It was the county cricketers and the county cricket supporters day out. And it was absolutely brilliant. I think in the 90s when I first started in county cricket, the only thing I wanted to do was playing at Lord's final. Did you play in a Lord's final, Mike? I can't remember.

Yeah, we, uh, I think we lost a glad to. We lost her in one and we beat Somerset here in 2002. Matthew Elliott got 100 smashed air carry all over the place. I took a very good catch in that. Who did? I did. I did. I caught Tris Gothic flying one-handed at cover.

I know you're all looking at me like I'm lying. I did. Look at you on YouTube. Well, a bit surprised. Oh, it stuck. Well, Jack, you put that compilation together you heard at the start. You didn't manage to find that catch, Michael. I'm not sure it did exist.

Did you play the Lord's Final Tuffers? You'd have played in the Lord's Final. No, no, no. We had, well, Philippe and John Emory sort of thing. I was always sort of lurking around. Were they considered better one-day bowlers then were they? Yes, yes, that's right. When Ramps played as a 17-year-old.

That's right, against Worcester here. Were you in the squad? I was in the squad. Not the 11th film. Yeah, but didn't get in. No, I didn't get in. Well, it started at half-10 or something. The phrase nipped it around all over the place.

So it was sort of like, let's go have a look at a wicket where we got embers, 10.30, it's going to do all sorts. Sorry, Kat, you're all right. You're 12thers. But, you know, I can remember. Well, we had a good one-day side. I can remember being on the balcony,

you know, being part of two or three, I think. Were you actually fielding, 12th man? I think they might have got a youngster in. Well, I was a youngster in, yeah. I think I was. I might run a drink out. Or something. A pair of gloves. You've all given us,

your five top memories and that was one of yours Jonathan in Leicestershire winning the 1985 Benson Hedges Cup but also some other moments from you as well you went for Stokes Bowling Hades New Zealand in 2015

getting McCullough and Williamson actually we heard that yeah in the compilation at the start I've got it because of the crowd really I mean this place is normally quite quiet and respectful the World Cup final was different this is a test match

and that spell from Stokes is born from this end was electric and he bowed brilliantly swung a ball, ball fast and it was to get McCullum second he got two wickets First ball he got in the whole place

and the whole place just looked out There was a massive whoosh Yeah so it was just one of those moments That you remember Great shout Yeah just just really for the crowd In the way that Stokes bowl that day He got a hundred in the game

He did He did He did, a hundred balls more or less I think Yeah, that's celebrated actually downstairs and the media sent is a big montage of photographs down there and that's one of them. Michael you went for archery against Smith in the 2019 ashes. Again it was the atmosphere and everything around Joffra and you know his arrival into the England team and obviously bowling to at the time someone that you know was the best

and the way that he ran him from the pavilion end and it was just brutal and he just made Steve Smith and he is a great great play he made him look very average for a short period of time obviously the blow and then Manus coming out and there was obviously him as well yep I put Manus Labas Sheen again it's the atmosphere of this place you know when something what was it Lord's that they're very knowledgeable crowd and they can always kind of feel when something special's happening and you're saying with Ben's spell against New Zealand back in the day but you know that occasion the ashes and Joffar Archer charging in

I don't think there's many better spectacles in cricket when a quick bowler he's charging into a real quality batter and there's a bit of chin music I can remember I was commentating on that and everyone was watching it I could remember that turning round and there was like about

30 people in the back of the box no one said anything and was just going just eyeballs wide you know amazing slow pitch as well and then old Maras came out knocked him over as well didn't he Got him scorned. It's tough as one of your memories.

It says here, tough as is Fifeer against Sri Lanka. Well, thanks very much. That was one of yours, Thomas. It was one of ours. It was one of yours. Well, I'm on the honours board. I know Michael's up there about seven or eight times.

But yeah, I mean, you come to Lords, don't you? And you want to get on the honours board, and I managed to achieve it. A very, very good Sri Lankan side. Was it a flat wicket, Phil? It was extremely flat. And managed to wiggle out five Sri Lankans. Who did you get out?

Haturasinga, I think. Mahanama. Gurasinga. I don't know. Aravinda. Might have been Aravinda. But, you know, you know. But there you go.

I'm not quite sure who it was. But, you know, but to A, get Fiver and then get it at Lords and get on that, you know, it was an achievement. You know, I was absolutely delighted with myself. Everyone can remember as a kid growing up, you know, and you hear all you not talking on the radio. about honours, boards and everything I wanted to do it, did it? Did they do? So what year was that? God knows.

No, it's midnighties, yeah? Midnight. I think they put... Lawrence played and Jack Russell played. Let's bring Zoltz. That's right. Go on Zoltz. I've mixed up a few games, I think.

The Lawrence Russell played in 88. Tough was the one was 1991. The five, the five batters dismissed. Hurtur Sinha, Asangha Gourasina, Roshan Mahan, Tilla Karate, a wicket keeper, dogged player, and number 11, Don, and Urrissiri. Oh, so he didn't get Aravinda out there. I can remember who gave me my Fiver and it was the number 11.

It was John Hampshire. John Hampshire and LBW. Didn't get them used to get too many LBWs. I thought, oh, I'm not going to get me. Was it missing? Right. Did they do the tape on the board back in the day when you came back in the dressing? No, because that was to win the game.

That was to actually then win the game. So I've got five, won the game and we all club. And I've got a wonderful picture actually. Very emotional photo, actually, to say, of Sid Lawrence. Hugh Morris. Yeah, lovely picture and myself, Daffy, Chris Lewis, all that England side on that sort of, like a really good selfie. You know, people are quite obsessed with the honours board, right, but they're only a recent thing. They weren't there when I played. Oh, were they? Yeah. The honours board didn't exist.

No? So when did the honours board come? I don't know, but it's certainly after I finished anyway. Really? Yeah, there weren't any honours board. It's a new concept. They're everywhere now, aren't they? Most grounds have an honours board. Well, didn't, you must have felt chaffed when you got your first time here, Mike. Yeah, when you go on the sport? Yeah, that's, I mean, it was against Sri Lanka. Oh, there you go. I think, I want you to join yourself against Sri Lanka, Phil. Oh, yeah, I mean, I think you play for England, that's a tick, isn't it?

You've got your England cap, and the next thing you want is 100, and I've got 100 at Old Traff, and then your next thing is like, oh, I want a hundred at loads. Got 100 at loads and kind of tick these things off. But yeah, the honest board was huge from when I was great. Motivator. I remember playing against Middlesex here. I had to find out when they went up. And we played on a pitch right.

It was in line with the away dressing room. That's right. I got you out, Mike. Did you? Yeah, bold you. I think you had about 120. Did you get me out? I did get you out bold, Mike.

Turned. Forward offensive. It went like, is that first thing or second thing? Well, I can't remember. I think I got 100. Yeah, you did get 100. Yeah. Two of you went for the Johnny Berto incident.

Oh, yes, that was great. With me and Phil? Well, both of you went, yeah, both of them. Well, why did you go for that? Why is that resonating? It was a sort of the Lord's moment. I just thought it was. I just thought it was, everything around.

It was dramatic. It was controversial. The long room, you know, the reaction from the members, the reaction from the England team, the reaction when they came back out, Stuart Broad, I think he was having a pop. Yeah. One of the Aussie players.

when they were coming out to bat. I mean, it just... And then Stokes said... And I think we all said... This place has a history of great atmosphere at Kima. I'd never known this place. No, no, he's so angry. It's a Sunday, wasn't it?

It's a bit of a different feel to a Sunday here. Stewart said something like, that'll haughton you forever, or something like that to Alex Carey. As he come up, he said that, and you could hear it down the... It wasn't quite, though. Yeah, it was like a bear pit. And then StoCecky got that 1-5-5, didn't he?

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely teed off. and I can remember Steve Smith dropped one down there and like all the crowd were on here oh it's amazing you just knew it I was commentating and just knew if it's given out it was going to kick you just knew it was going to kick off and it was it was interesting doing that

because I was commentating with Glenn McGraw there was no doubt in my mind as a commentator that was ended over through it goes boom and actually what they don't show in not many of the clips is the umpire actually taking the sweater out right and he's handing it to the bowler Correct. All he didn't do was call over.

He had taken a sweater out and was doing that. Johnny Beirstow taps his foot in his ground, deliberately, boom, walks out. And, of course, we know what happened. So the thing I felt about that, and one day I'll have asked Pat Kamen's enough about it, but I wonder if Pat Kamen slightly regrets that opportunity that he might have had. Because all the stuff about Australia, cheating, bad sports, and the whole place was shouting about, you know, Ozzy's always cheating. incredible.

They were winning that game. They were winning that game. That could have been the moment where he really made a decision that could have killed all that stuff forever. And I just wonder, when the third umpire was reviewing it, if he just said to Johnny Berto,

I wouldn't do it this time, Johnny, but you do that again, you're out. I've heard the image of Australian cricket might have been. I've heard him speak about it. I don't think he'll have it. No, he won't. I interviewed him afterwards. He was steaming down there.

at the response. He was skilled. Johnny was dozy and in the rules of the law of it was out. It was out. It was out, absolutely. It did kick off. And then you can see Stokesy was absolutely extreme. You were angry, Phil.

Well, we was all angry. I was livid. But I can remember then Stokesy, just smashing sixes when it was going. Stark was bowling quick. Yeah. Almost sweeping him into the tavern stand. And the chairs. It was pretty.

Yes. It was. I think Australia, just talking to Australian, but we were there in the I think they're utterly bemused by the English reaction, aren't they? They just cannot understand it. It was like, well, why, you know, the blokes out of his creed? Why wouldn't you sort of roll the ball, stumps and get rid of him? It's our old friend, the spirit of cricket again, and people's perceptions of it, or that line are in different places. Yeah, they are completely different. I don't think pack, well, I mean, he might, he might when he's 70, I don't know, but I don't think he does now,

but I think you're right in the sense that it turned the game, didn't it? It kind of, it kind of, It almost opened the way for England. They weren't quite able to go through the door actually because you look at it. I think England needed 70 with four wickets left. Ultimately, it wasn't a bad position to be in and then Stokes was out and then they rather crumbled, didn't they? I mean, I don't think Stokes would have played the way he did without that. No. No.

I think it really kind of. It was a spark. Yeah, it was. And Broad played well. You know, he came out, didn't he? He played nicely. He was the usual Stewart. He was kind of being a pest.

Well, do you remember he asked him to get permission to leave his ground? didn't he get him around right now when he was really going over the top with it but the atmosphere down there by the pavilion at the end yeah we get sent down to do the end I'd never know anything like I think a couple of members got sort of bar oh they were they were suspended weren't they oh yeah but they manhandled the australians which is totally out of order oh absolutely and the members there at lords are a very fortunate position I mean there aren't many supporting places like this venues like this where you're so close to the players it's a privilege if they want the you know it's sanitised And no one allowed in there when the players come through. Well, that's the way they're guaranteed, isn't it? So, yeah, that was unfortunate.

John, you went for one, a long way back now. Bob Masses, 16 wickets. Yes. Well, that was the first game of cricket. 1972. Yeah. That was, I remember watching it entirely on television. I was 12, black and white telly at home.

And it's one of those, it sounds a bit of sad childhood. But I'd sit and watch a test match. Curtain's drawn. Mum had come out at lunchtime, you know, He'd be served lunch at lunchtime and have a bit of cup of tea at tea time. And you'd live the test match. Well, the point was, they went out afterwards. And I had a brother who's two years younger than me.

He'd go out and copy your heroes in the garden. You'd watch them on the telly, which, of course, the fortunate ones can do now. But many can't. But that was absolutely mind-boggling to see how Bob Massey swung that ball. Some incredible deliveries. I mean, cleaning up batsmen from round the wicket with massive inswingers. And he was absolutely. incredible and Dennis Lilly was tearing it as well you know there was there's lots about it

and people who we've got to know very well playing Rod Marsh Ian Chappell Keith Stackpole people that you know as England's as English people we're not supposed to like but actually as we do this job you get to know what great people they are and and and but the main thing was just watching and being spellbound by how Bob Massey bowl that day and again it's I do tell this story sometimes but I I years later I'm working with Bob at the Wacker on a test match for ABC radio. And he just said, you know, he'd be for a hero. I didn't, you know, because those sort of memories stay with you, don't they?

And he said, mate, he said, I'm having a Barbie tonight. You want to come along? And I said, well, yes, I'd love to, Bob. So I got advice to his house. And on the way there in the taxi, I thought, I wonder, I wonder what he's got. Sure enough, I forgot in the house. And there in the trophy cabinet were the two balls from the... the game and he saw me just gazing at them he said mate he said I said I've watched the

Bob that game meant so much he said mate he said do you want to hold them and I said yes Bob I'd love to so I held I held Bob's balls in my hand and it was like so you know turning the clock back to the age of 12 and watching that incredible spell of bowling were they heavy well they were they were they were just as you expect but they were they were mounted I think memory and quite shiny but yeah it one of those things you know it makes you turn the clock back and yeah memories memories something remind results remind us a bit more about that game well Massey took eight in both innings it was his debut finished with match figures of 16 for

137 in a game that Australia won part of a drawn to all series the at that point the third best figures in test history now the fourth best narendra hawani also on debut 16 16 for 136 for Indira against West Indies. Massey only paid five more tests and took 15 more wickets in his career. Yeah, it was extraordinary. And I've talked to Raylingworth about it. It was the England captain, a typical Ili. He said, well, whenever we batted the sun went behind the cloud,

never we bowled, the clouds went away. So he was suggesting, you know, that Bob swung them around under cloud cover. There was talk about, you know, lip salve and that sort of stuff. But, nah, it was just one of those extraordinary things. from BBC Radio 5 Live. Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously.

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Thank you. Bye. Michael, you went for a game, as we move on, you went for a game in the early part of the 21st century. We're cork and golf when a game. They ball beautifully as well, yeah. The West End is West Indies?

West Indies. Yes, yes. That's right. I actually, I got brought into two. I think NASA broke his finger edge basting and went one little down in the series. Came here. Stu, he was captain. If my memory is correct, I think the West Indies got about 280 odd in the first innings.

And then we were bowled out quickly. I think they had a lead of 134. And then Caddick, Gough and Cork came out and bowled them out for 54. I think we needed 190. to win. And then the lights were on. It was gloomy. We carried on in those days. We actually played. And Kurtly and Courtney were running in.

And, you know, we just managed to get, I think me and I've put on a few, but I, you know, took forever. And then at the end, Corkey, I think Corkie got 30-odd night out. It is. Goughy had to wheel himself out. It had a few at the end as well, maybe four or five. But it was on a knife edge. It was, yeah, again, that was my first kind of

experience of the crowd here at Lords. You know, in the atmosphere. It was jam-packed. and Kurtly Courtney kind of running. I think Frank. Court was brilliant. I think Franklin Rose was playing for the West Inders as well. And King, I think they were running in. And yeah, Cork around that time, I mean, for a lot of his career,

he knew how to win a game. Yeah. He knew how to win a game with the ball, but with the bat as well. He'd done it many times for Derbyshire. Competitive sometimes. Yeah. And he came out and he was, you know, a bit like Stuart Broad actually.

Kind of in a bit of a pest. And then he hit the, I think it was through extra cover or through the cover point region. hit the boundary to win the game and that was back in the series and we ended up obviously winning the wisdom trophy for and he pointed to somebody very obviously down up here or three or something I never knew who it was no that was now but cork pointed deliberately to somebody down here and I often wondered who I'll have to ask you next time I think there's a picture of it downstairs in the in the in our tea room and he is holding up some sort of perhaps he was I was getting confused on the NASA one

no no one NASA of course did that as well might have made to you that I saw him in the lift two days ago. He said, you're not going to talk to me about interviewing. I said, well, I might mention that gesture. So, well, you'll get a mention then. That's quite flattered to be one of those three, actually. Was I right with those numbers? You were very close.

West Indies 267, England 134 all out, so lead of 133. So you were one out there. West Indies all out, 54. England, 191 for 8 to win by two wickets. On the second day of that game, well, second day, isn't it? All four teams back? All four innings were...

At the end of West Indies first innings, at the end of the first day, they were nine down. And the whole of England's first innings and West Indies second in England just batted seven balls at the end of the day in their second inning. So yeah, the majority of that chase on day three. And it was a thrilling, a similar bit to there was a Pakistan test here in 1992 that had a similar ending with Pakistan beating England's with Wackery. and was him in another sort of dramatic fluctuating game and that was a that was a significant victory actually bringing wasn't it because they're a pretty low ebb through the 90s end of the 90s and it was kind of it was the it was the first step back wasn't it yeah it was and i'm pretty sure it was at the end of that series we think we won 3-1 yeah we would it had a

two-day game that's right yeah two-day game at 10 i think again got from kalli think It got four in and over. Yeah, that's right. And then we won at the Oval. I think that was, yeah, I think we drew it. I think it was Stew's 100 tests at Old Trafford that we drew. I think there was a draw at Old Trafford and we went to the Oval and we won it at the Oval and it was a three-once. I think then we went to Pakistan and won in Pakistan or Sri Lanka first.

Pakistan said, I can't remember which one came first. But it was around that period, yeah, started to play some decent cricket and gather a bit of a team. Didn't sort of Courtney Walsh bowl like 18 overs or something on the spin or something? He just couldn't, it just wouldn't stop. Just Walsh and Ambrose. You just Walsh and Ambrose. How are you going to play against the Westin? Just Walshon Ambrose.

If you got to King and Franklin Row, oh, there was a few shots played. They didn't mind the bowl those two fellas, cranky. Another of your memory is, Jonathan, it also involves the West Indies. Gordon Greenwich's double hundred here. Well, see, I didn't play in that game,

but I was, I played a couple of games later. And, of course, my friend David Gower's captain, and I just remember we talked about it the day when we interviewed him you know that that declaration and it's quite interesting how the press kind of put pressure on

you don't they to do this and do that it's always easier for up here declarations it's that classic case of of it happens a lot the media saying declare is ridiculous batting on far too long and all that sort of stuff and of course David did bat it on and I think he declared

just before lunch Andy can check that I can't remember what the actual score was that they needed, but it was well over 300. 344? Yeah, and they smashed them off. Was it one wicket down? I mean, they absolutely romped it. That was a runout. It was. It was a run out. I mean, it was just as, you know, Gordon Greenwich was an incredible batsman and we played against them a lot, obviously, when he played for Hampshire. And if he came out limping, you knew you were in trouble. because he didn't bother running he just stood there he smashed a great cutter great hooker

and he's just one of these a brilliant um a brilliant um but it was just one of the yeah i tease david about it a bit uh obviously but it was just an example of people talk about that west indies team they talk about the bowlers but actually their batting was absolutely awesome awesome as well was it larry gomes who also got runs in that one i mean such an understay hardly ever talked about batsmen who just calmly ran things around at number three go on andy what were the play for Middlesex in the there we go yes he did yeah yeah so England declared 300 for nine on day five they'd been 287 for seven overnight West Indies chasing 342 344 for one in 66.1 over is at four point two five point two and

over yeah I mean those days it's still one of the quickest innings ever played Greenwich, 214, off 242. The one wicket was a runout. That was Desmond Haynes and Larry Goames, 92 not out. What was our attack then? Because I think, Neil, was it Willis Foster? Willis, Ian Botham. We took eight in the first innings,

naught for 117 off 20 in the second innings. Derek Pringle, Neil Foster and Jeff Miller was the spinner. Just on Golden Greenwich, we were with Sean Yudal, the ex- Hampshire, Middlesex, England player. Just a few days here. said come on Sean what's your best team that you've ever played with you know you've got a

pick an 11 from those that you've played with and he went oh let's go through he said Matthew Hayden play with Hayden David Warner played with David Warner here at Miss Sextport good opening pair number three Gower they were at number four Robin Smith judge number five Kevin Peterson six Freddie Flintoff number seven Adam Gilchrist played with Gilly here at Middlesex Shane Warner 8 Wazzie Macram at 9 Malcolm Marshall at 10 Jimmy Anderson 11 we were like what a team

and then we're in the green room after just chatting away he went oh I forgot Gordon Greenwich what a team that is I agree with you about you look at it now it's all 340 you know one day matches

teams sort of do quite well and that sometimes under that sort of chasing pressure but it was the ease with which they did it and it was sort of even though they were a great side it felt unexpected because David was getting so much stick

for not pulling out But also, in those days, there would not have been the minimum overs in a day. So you could slow it down. You could, you know, you could slow it down however you wanted, which I'm sure they did, but they still...

They won well inside the distance, yeah. Now, all of you went for, I mean, an astonishing moment, the 2019 World Cup. So not a test match, this is the 150th test here, but everyone went for 2019. It was actually, it was a strange day, wasn't it? Because it kind of wasn't a great

game until the last hour. I remember Mike Woodall said, it was a horrible game. I kind of hated the day, really. I hated the match. I remember him saying that when we talked to him about it, but... I can remember there were so many different things, the bat that went for four, off of Stokes, the drop catch,

I think Trent Bolt dropped him there and everything, the singing and everything. But I could just remember being in this commentary box, I think you actually was on with John at the end, and I was sort of hauled off because I just kept going, run! It was just completely,

thankfully, Agers was there to sort of explain what was going on, but it was just such, yeah, it was, it was crazy. You got so wrapped up in the game, it was amazing, yeah. There was a day we'll never forget that. Yeah. I mean, it really was. And you just felt at the start of that World Cup, that this was England's moment. Yeah. Home World Cup, what a chance really to ignite, ignite the game.

The one thing that really still gets me is how Ian Smith, two boxes down here, could see that he was run out. Because you look at the view from here and he was running to the far end, throw coming in from midwicket, he dived. How could you see from here that he was a yard out? I don't know how he did it. It was just instinct or something because you couldn't tell. You couldn't tell whether he was actually in or anything. called it straight away. Well he's lying the barest of margins is one. Yeah and where did it come from I mean it just and he and he had it and I've

always a bit cross about mine because I honestly I mean you thought it was probably right and then of course it then England's celebrating and then it went to the third umpile which is quite dramatic and you get the big cheer at the end but Howie Ian called that and got the barest of margins and all that stuff live was was absolutely remarkable. I think who's forgotten a little bit about that Jason Roy The old electric has It's like a deep midwiki

If he had a fumbled or anything But he picked it up and got a good throwback to toss But again that day I remember the pitch was everything that England didn't want Because it was a sluggish pitch And they wanted a bit of pace So they could smack the 350s That they'd been smacking on a regular bed

dismantled Australia and the semi Just went, phew, get rid of the Aussies And it was a perfect style pitch for the Kiwis You know, it was their kind of of surface there was a few little calls that went a bit the way of the England side that drop catch of bolt yeah she remember thought oh is it written yeah and joffra archer you know joffa bowling the super over just getting it right just but he went for just getting out so i say just four first two balls or something like that yeah and he managed to get it back

keep his composure um so many things around that day i mean just put the plane nice and then he got out and i thought they've lost this the other thing was okay did it's Did Stokes have a full toss on leg stump? And he just tried to knock it for two. And then Woody got run out. I mean, nine times out of ten, that's over old father time, wasn't it? And he just sort of knocked it for two. We went, what are you doing?

Oh, it's amazing. The one thing about it also is that, I mean, it was an astonishing once in a lifetime day, really, with a super over as it was and everything else. Why the ICC has decided, therefore, they should have as many super overs as you like at the end of a one day, That would have you know Just just call it kind of quits if if if if the super over ends in a tie Which they have done already because you've only got six balls so the odds are that this you could go on and on and on that was special Just just leave it you know leave it as it was what share the cup? Well, no you have to find a way

I mean I didn't object necessarily to the they all signed up you got to find some way of Of finding a winner in a tie haven't you? So you have a super over if that fails when you do I think you do go back to stats I mean how long you're gonna sit here for? What? super overs you know that well how many good of you know one day there'll be three you know someone will score 14 next team will score 14 and you can back you go and go and go and do it again and it just sucks it sucks it out and I thought that was that was such a brilliant occasion you know just leave it at that but it was the boundaries wasn't it a number of boundaries that were struck in the

day well that's a way of separating I mean they all signed up to it they all agreed to I know the Kiwis were grumpy about it but that was what was agreed singing as well. The singing. I've never heard Lord sing like that. Everyone up in the pavilion, wouldn't they? Well, we were very lucky to be out there and we did the lap.

I remember getting a selfie. Ridicrous. You're not going to be a knowing more. That's our privilege. Being out and about when a team's celebrating. But Lords has had many, many moments of celebration with England teams, but I'd never, never heard a crowd like that. A noise. Just one thought on the, you mentioned the comment.

at the end there I'm just thinking from a technical point to view I wonder whether actually in Smith I haven't asked him about this I haven't thought about it is that whether because as a radio commentator you're watching the middle whereas Smith he was probably watching the monitor watching the monitor so is he had on close up I think he must have a much better view of what happened at the end than you have from a long distance in the yeah I think he would have been watching that monitor with a side-on camera he mean he must have done because you can't the cloud of dust you know all that stuff so it always just niggles away a bit that

Or he went with England's celebration. That hadn't happened quickly enough. He called it straight away, didn't he? Yeah. He's run out by the bearer's margins. He went for it. Final two. Michael, you went for the 2017

Women's World Cup. Yeah, when you got the Sixthaf, defending against India, one by nine. Neuron Sellout, which was historic for the women's game. Back then. And again, I remember just sitting at home

and watching the whole thing. You know, India were controlling the game. Absolutely controlling that game. It was done. And from the pavilion end, she produced one of the great spells to get England that trophy in the hands. Yeah, but it was the crowd in the atmosphere that came through the television. And obviously to see Anya doing what she's done yet, it was a special, special moment. Didn't someone drop an absolute Uber a bit off?

Jenny Gunn? Yes, Jenny Garden. That was it. And it was all got, oh, no. I think that was the commentary. I think whoever was commenting. I don't think who was it commenting the time just said, oh no.

You don't normally hear on a non-partisan. In the next ball, I think it would be like sort of, you know, poles everywhere and that won it. Yeah, great. So final memory, actually, it's one of yours toughers. And it's the last time,

Scho Bashir, bowled in a test match, full stop. Well, I know. Against India. Well, that was again another feisty encounter, wasn't it? Yeah. Horace hot sunny day, wasn't it? You could see two teams really smashing up against each other.

Lots of chat, was it crawling, and duck it, and everything like that. Shoulda be Gill getting in? Yeah, it should be Gil getting in and everything like that. And then that delivery, they're again, oh no, with, you know, India were going to save it here, they started playing really well. And then that delivery from show it, which poor old, was it? It took a left, too. It did, it did. I've never seen a delivery.

Shammie. Who was battered? Siraj. Siraj. That's right. He's just gone back and he's sort of punched it back up the pitch

and it sort of spun back and then took a left turn and just took the thing and I can remember I was commentating on that and I laughed. I laughed.

I sort of went oh, it's bold him. It was just such an incredible... We heard it at the start there. He all kind of like muttly laugh. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, that was it

and I just couldn't believe it. You know, and then again the celebrations and the crowd have all gone up show him was Punch in the air.

You know, he'd broken his finger. And it was just that intense cricket that had been all the way through the test match. You know, they'd been right at each other, just trying to get that sort of inch in front of each other. And then just, what a ball, just a little, funny little spinny thing. Sort of wiggled its way back and just knocked a bailout.

That was a great game. Yeah, it was. I remember the night before when, I think it was Bridling Cars charging in. You know, he got a couple. And then Joffras spell on the last morning. Yeah. did for Rishab.

I think he knocked Rishad's Austin to find out the ground. It was, yeah, that again, it's just the atmosphere here. When it's hot here and, you know, the game's good and it's really kind of closely fought and there's a little bit of needle. You know, we've had some real needle here at Lords over the years in terms of teams going at each other and, you know, I think they kind of really get it here, the crowd. They get the understanding of what's happening out in the middle. Not saying other venues don't, but there just seems to be an incredible atmosphere

where when the game gets hot, the crowd get involved. And literally the temperature as well, it was a glorious summer's, you know, shirt sleeves were on, you know. I mean, it was just brilliant. Yeah, it was an incredible test match. 387, played 387, played 190, play 170, something like England winning by 22 runs.

Is that the tightest finished by runs we've had in a Lord's test match? I've just thrown that beamer at Zolt. Yeah, that was the closest finished by runs. 22-run victory for England against India last year. Second closest was that Ashes test. Australia winning by 43 in 2023 with the Johnny Birstow incident. There was a 51-run win for South Africa in a classic game in 2012.

So the two closest by wickets were those two games we mentioned earlier on, the West Indies test of 2000 that Michael played in and played a big part in that fourth inning's chase and the Pakistan two-wicket victory in 1992. So not too many really close finishes in there. Lord's. One of the most notable games, West Indies won here in 1950, their first win in England. It was the longest test ever played at Lords in terms of overs. We're having one of the shortest ever here. There were over 600 overs in that match across, it was quite a short fifth day as well. They really churned through them in those days.

You should mention 63 and Colin Cowdery and his broken arm coming out. The last pair together had his arm broken by Wes Hall. He never actually faced a ball. He only had poor old Paul Terry. and he was subjected to it up at old Trafford so Colum's at the non-strikers end and Chris Wokes as well Yes absolutely he felt yes he had to face So Colin never had to face a ball In 1966 it was all considered very

You know very exciting Brought the nation to a standstill That radio radio commentary But it's a famous picture isn't it It seemed wandering down those pavilion steps And out with his broken arm Another sort of famous test moment

In 1934 Yorkshire's Hedley Verity Took 14 wickets in a day against Australia to bowling and to victory England didn't win another ashes test on this ground until 2009 how many first how many times are the first three balls of a test match been hit for four that happened in that 63 test it did conrad hunt bowled by Fred Truman who didn't talk about it very much but he did take I think 11 wickets in that test so he might get up for better for him I suppose the other thing about laws as well is because there are many more

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