The 40k Lorecast - Episode 10 - The Old Ones.... and some necrons, and C'tan, also a little Eldar and Orks.

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Join us as we dive into the origins of the 40k galaxy, a lore ripe with lizard men, star gods(ish), soul selling, and of course the origins of some of the most important species in the Galaxy. We cover: who the Old Ones were, the War in Heaven, and the lasting legacy of the Old Ones on the Galaxy (and the Immaterium).PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast with me, John Barcati and Brad Chester. This guy. So it's been eight episodes, and we kind of finished off. We did finish off, but I think it's the most linear story of 40K, the Horace heresy. It's the basis story. It is the creation story of 40K. And I believe that 100% that's how I got into the game.

Yeah. I read the history of the Horace heresy. That is the basis of the game. And now it's about to go freestyle. Now we can get free style. This is the part I think Brad and I have been more excited to get to. We had to tell the original story because we didn't have to, we didn't want to have to fill every podcast with.

And spoiler alert. So now we get to actually branch out and decided to go kind of the most extreme. We went from what I would call the most heavily canon, which is the horse heresy. Every book written for 30 years has it. This is all, this is all 99% of it. To now what I would, the term is esoteric lore, the old ones. where we're going to talk about something where, I mean, I'm not even sure what's canon anymore.

That's the point is it's so out of the blue. And a lot of this, what we're going to have happen now at our listeners is, we're going to use stuff that's in the books, that's in mostly codexes for old ones. I don't not where it's small references, though. There's not just a codex old ones because it doesn't exist. Exactly.

There's not a novel about the old ones. The old ones are only referenced in other people's stories. Exactly. They are the back characters in other people's storylines. They've been referenced in a decent amount of Necron novels. Yeah, Necron is a really easy one. Yeah, Necron. Necrod Codex.

Yeah. Eldar. Yeah. Orcs, of course. Yeah. And, but they, they're never the main character. They're these guys that did some stuff in the, in the old times. And when we say old times, this is 65 million years ago.

Yep. I think this would be a lot more fun. What we were doing before was kind of all. almost telling you guys a story that was written now. We're like rereading you, Tolkien. And now we get to- Now John and I are going to argue about- argue a lot around this.

Also, there's been a lot of what now could be considered fan fiction because it's a lot of people that used to work for GW. That's what's about to get to. Is we are, don't worry, we're going to be touching on certain invading species from certain outside of galaxies that may have certain resemblances to certain things. serious fan fiction. Which is pure fan fiction, but, you know, the truth is, I also point up a fan fiction.

We should remember, we're not talking about fact here. So if enough fans believe it, almost like a thinkerbell type scenario here, you know, orcs, which we'll be doing next. This could become canon. So I tell everyone, this bit's going to be a bit of fun. Also, I do, I wrote a little spoiler alert to myself here, right? Everyone, this is going to be a discussion about. the origins of the universe,

according to about half a dozen people who live in Nottingham, England. That's who wrote this. Which is also the people that don't work there anymore. Yeah, it's also also supposed to don't work there anymore, and some of them are dead. But downside of a 40-year-old game, some of the original writers were not.

Let's rock on this and go, the biggest question, which we're immediately going to argue about, who the hell are the old ones? Let's jump into this. Who are the old ones? So they are described in the books that I've read. as lizard men, which I immediately both thanked and hated GW for reinforcing my history channel Ancient Aliens show.

Just all the lizard people. It's all the lizard people. Here we go. The biggest thing on this is that you have to go in the myth of, we're the fantasy, giving me all you old fantasy players, if there's anybody left out there. There's a ton of you left. Yeah. You're all bitch constantly about Sigma.

You're welcome. Giving my square bases back. Movement trace for life. But one of the big things is, is that they, in that lore, they supposedly created the sland, the lizard men, the lizard men leaders. The sland were the leaders, the spiritual and magic leaders of the lizard men in their own image. So were the old ones lizard men? Well, maybe. I think it's the most canon version of them is them being lizard men.

But again... And I didn't even think they're Lizardmen. I think they're the slan version. Because you look at the slan and the slant are wildly different than lizardmen. That's true. I think they're more reptilian, maybe than Lizardman. It's more of somewhat reptilian. Yeah.

One important piece here is they were not gods. And we're going to get to that in a second because it does come up and some of that they do about it. But there we go. I mean, okay, John, this is where we detour right away. We disagree. So let's talk about what the old ones could do. And then everyone can make their decision on whether they're guys. odds. First off, they created life out of nothing. They do and they don't. This is the part

that I was going to get to it. They're biologist. Engineers. They want, but this is where it gets annoying. If you read some of the codexes, they shepherded life to encourageings, but other ones like the Jokero, I don't know, maybe they found one orangutang and is out of corner. Just made it. Yeah. It is. Do they rocket the rocket raccoon? So the thing is that's why this is so much fun. It's like, I don't. Well, the big thing is that, well, let's, we're going to pull back in just a second.

One, let's go to this time and place in the warp. This is a big deal. There's no warp. But there is. Yeah. The warp is a flat crystal clear lake. Yep. There's no chaos gods.

There's just, and the old ones are tapping into the warp to do whatever. they want. And it is a calm serene pond, no waves whatsoever. Exactly. And they are literally doing, they're bob rossing it. They're painting a happy, happy new species on it. We're going to make, there's a little happy tree over here. Everyone's, we're going to build out the world. I think, but let's just focus on what they were. And so what they were was possibly reptilian, the first sentient beings in the gallery, sorry, the first, successful sentient beings in the galaxy. The first civilization,

because you have different, I mean, yeah, dinosaurs. Yeah, I mean, it predates. So just for everyone's reference, we're done 65 million years because I have a child, so I have to have to know these things. Dinosaurs date to 250 million years. So we're not talking like big banged on of the world. And we don't know how old Catan,

C-Tan, whatever you were called? C-Tan's in a sense. second. And they are immortal. Well, and the old ones are, were they immortal? They could die, of course. So let's actually just, you know what? Let's just get in trouble. Let's just make decisions here. So one of the things I wrote down was, were the old ones immortal? They were, they lived long enough where people thought they were immortal because they lived longer than anybody. Right. But that was my thought. I don't think they're immortal. Because actually, the better word is perpetuals. So we discussed perpetuals before.

They're definitely not perpetuals. No, they can, if you shoot them in the head, they're super dead. They go away. So the question is, were they immortal or were they just so long lived that they were effectively immortal and immune to most problems? Because I think that they conquered most of the stuff with their magic slash biology technology. Because they had, they were like elves in, to be honest with you, elves in mythology. They didn't have high-tech spaceships with that,

but they had mixed technology and magic. Yeah, Tolkien elves, where they weren't immortal, because even Tolkien elves eventually did die, but it was thousands of years. Yeah, but they're not going to die to the cold. Yeah, exactly. They're not getting cancer. They cure that immediately.

And they also had a weird, because you were talking about the war earlier, I kind of interrupted you because I wanted us to get, I wouldn't do it as an order. So they kind of, so they're not immortal, but they can live for. forever, but their kind of, their great trick was the warp. They were the, probably they were from history, the first creatures to be able to manipulate

the warp. They were the first people to know that the warp existed, period. But it's not, it's not the warp of today or a 40, a 40. No, it's just a endless power. It's literally a, it's a lake of, it is a sea of power. It is just a, how about this? I'm going even farther. It's an ocean.

Ocean of power. Upgraded every time. But the thing is, is that, again, it's serene. There isn't the eddies. It isn't this turbulent storm that the warp is now full of hazards and everything. This is nothing. But there's nothing to put it there yet. Because it has been fed yet. I mean, to this stage, it's 65 million years. I'm going to use the earth. We are in the Cretaceous period, where we have T-rexes are trying to eat. I'm going to make my kid, if he wasn't to me so happy. We have a T-Rex trying to, you know, munch on. Anglosaur, for sure.

It was definitely Anglosaurus, Sorapelta. I mean, we can go hard here if you want. All different verses of hadrosaurus. That's what's ruling the Earth right now. And throughout the galaxy, it's kind of the themes of the galaxy. The Eldar are probably at this stage a fledgling race at 65 million years. They're coming up slowly because they were more brought up during the war in heaven. There's not a lot out there.

They are also, again, were they completely made by the old ones or not? We're going to get there. But what I'm saying is like the warps not hasn't been fed with. At all. Any of the, there's no lust. There's no murder. I mean, sure, animals eat each other, but it's not the same as. But it's not a psychological imprint.

Exactly. Yeah. Because the warps not, like corn is not fed by a fish eating another fish. It's the emotion. Yeah, he's fed by, I want to kill that fish. It is, you know, bloodlust effectively. So the warp is safe. However, the interesting thing about that is the old ones seemed to understand the warp was not a great thing because they built the Webway Gates to get around it.

True. So they do. I think they wanted to not corrupt it. You know, there's a serene ocean and they want to get around it without pollute. Because they're also, were they literally eco-friendly? Were you saying the- Yeah, there we go. They were vegan. God damn it.

No wonder they died. Exactly. Yeah. That's like, yeah, just metal. Iron deficiency. But it's a big thing on that because they created, well, let's talk about the things that the old ones did. Yeah.

One, their biggest, well, besides creating several of the 40K species, yep. They created the Webway Gates, which are a safe and fast means to travel the entire galaxy, which is between the warp and real space. Yeah, it's a weird. It's the half. What are we going to do the stranger things? It's the upside down.

It's the space between it. But at the same time, they also did seem to want to uplift civilizations. We'll get to one of them in a little bit that they decided to pseudo-u-uplift and then bail on. But they did. They were looking around for civilizations. They were looking for who was good and who was bad. They kind of helped some up and others. Obviously, mankind was in there, but they were pretty fledgling.

They saw a potential there. And in some of the books kind of things. hint that they may have helped with some of the movements evolutionarily for mankind? Well, the big ones, though, let's just go to the two. The two bigs. Eldar, orcs were later. Initially, we just Eldar. No, no, I'm saying it.

But as far as like, as like, ones they did, period, canon, this isn't, yeah. Eldar and Orcs are them. Eldar and Orks. And we don't know if did they engineer an existing race or did they create a race? This is the question, Mark. The question. And to be honest with you. If I was going to go to my Vegas betting odds, I think they engineered Eldar and I think they made orcs.

Yeah, I believe. Orcs are a genetic, like, just you made it. There's something weird about it. Yeah, because orcs, which we'll get into, orcs are spores. Yeah, orcs are like, we're going to do minimum three episodes on orcs, and I'm saying minimum. But that's an engineered race. Yeah. I feel like they made that race.

I feel like they uplifted. I think Eldar were uplifted. I think mankind there were probably starting to uplift before certain things went wrong, which you're going to get to in a short while here. Now, let's go to things that didn't do well. First one we're going to talk about is necrons. Well, the necrontere.

Come on, be specific with them now because they're still the necront tier. That's true. This point is necront tier. So while the old ones are doing this, as we've said, you know, they uplifted the orcs, mankind. There are races all over the galaxy. Well, let's talk about the necroter.

Necron tier were a dominant race at the time. The necron tier were from a, and a lot of people don't realize this are like, why, who cares that their home world was bombarded with radiation? And this is why you have to care, because the Necron, Necron tier homeworld was so radiated that it actually changed the core DNA of the necronteer, and they were all genetically predisposed to die. from effectively weird radiation sickness. Exactly.

And the challenge of the Necrontier is, one thing is, you know, we talk about travel. And we talked about travel. We use the word travel a lot if you look at the more podcast because we book like logistics. The Necron tier were this pretty aggressive warring race that was conquering the stars. But they had to do them piece by piece because they had no access to the warp. They were also, no access to the webway. They were literally flying at faster than that. than like travel, but just...

That's still not that much faster. They were crazy people about that, though. They would send generations to go war with somebody. Yep. And you're like, okay, your grandchildren's grandchildren will be fighting this war.

And people were like, I'm in. So they're expanding. This is where I like the old ones a lot. The old ones are sitting there in some ways running a galaxy, but not really running a galaxy. They're the biggest player in the galaxy. They've got the most power in the galaxy.

But the challenge the old ones have is they're not that numerous. Like they're not a... They're also completely unprepared because I think that they're... While the old ones did a lot of great things, I think the old ones eventually died to their own vanity. Yeah. And this goes into the problem with the necrons. The necrons are a reproducing race who are quite numerous.

and they start just creating problems for the old ones. They're creating issues. And finally, they're also going back to the Necron Tier because this makes a big deal with... They should start on Necron Tier because it does make a difference. No, they don't know what I'm saying, but it makes a big difference in how this next negotiation works out. Because every single people, I just got into argument this morning about this. Jam of Pants are still wrong. But the Necronier effectively genocided everyone they had.

Matt. Yeah. Literally, they showed somebody up and went, we could talk to them. It's a nice planet you got here. Yeah, we could just take everything. Looks like it's mine now. Yeah. Be a real bummer if everyone died. Yeah. Oh, weird. Yeah. So like every single interaction they've had was a just slaughter fest. And the old ones are, they're not omniscient, but it feels like they have a network of we know kind of everything that's going on. So they know that this is going on. They also, again, have instantaneous travel

throughout the galaxy. This is a, also, this is a Webway Gate at peak efficiency. Yeah, this is not 41st millennia. This is a, this is not the busted ass way. And I arrive in point B a quarter second later. Yeah, they were instantly everywhere.

Yeah. So they were going everywhere. They kind of knew everything based on the fact that they could cheat and be anywhere they wanted to be. So they know that the Necron Tier, while a advanced race, by the way, their technology is nuts at this point in time. Oh, I mean, in what my question is, and I've done my research, but I default to you on this one because you've been the number of my companies than I have. I don't see anywhere where the old ones uplifted Necron Tier. It looks like Necronier did it all in their own. It's all in their own.

They also have, if you give the Necronterre credit, they have technology that still has not been matched by anything. Yeah. Well, it's just Gauss, their teleportation technology. There's a ton of things that Necron's have right now, the reanimation. They have way better nanotechnology. They have better stuff than FTCs and stuff like that. Yeah, their objective-controlled scarabs were a big hit for a while. They have, they could have done a better job than the Imperium does with just,

raising an entire civilization out of nothing. Yeah. But they were poisoned. Yeah. They're genetically poisoned. This is this is kind of where the, what I was asking earlier about the old ones ever uplifting them is the Necrontier do have this problem. They actually have a very short lifespan compared to anything else in the galaxy

because they basically poisoned from birth. Yep. And die a horrible death. Yeah, it's just that their DNA literally says you are radiation poisoned at birth. No. Figure it out. Yeah. And they had tech.

They had wild tech. But also their civilization is really based on war tech, though. So that's another thing that they, everything in their civilization is based on, I need to get from point A to point B to kill something. And if your technology doesn't advance that, we kind of don't care about it. The NECron tier reach a point where they keep bouncing to the old ones.

And they notice an interesting thing about the old ones. They seem to be immortal to them. They're never sick. Every interaction, they look healthy. They look happy. They're doing it. And it's the same ones. Yeah.

I mean, effectively, the individual old ones, and there's not that many, to be honest with you. It never seems like they're very populous at all. No. And I think it's actually one of the big problems that the old ones had is, for whatever reason, they did not populate. Yeah.

And it will backfire. So the neck frontier literally hold them as like, there's a trio of old ones because we meet the same guy for generations. and they clearly probably have the answer. And to be perfectly honest, to be a foul, they do. They do. The old ones could 100% of help them. Well, the problem is they also tell them that.

Yeah. So the Necron tier. Which is a great dick move, by the way. Yeah. You could have just lied and said, no, we can't help you. Yeah. But the old ones, the Necron tier go to the old ones and go, hey, we've got this problem. Literally, we die at, we're.

We have a death sentence of birth. Yeah. And can you help us? And the old ones go, yeah, that seems super easy. They're like, are you going to help us? Nope. And the neck frontier, I mean, to their credit, get real mad about that. Yeah, that'll take that well, which again, I'm not going to criticize them for of like,

hey, super benevolent race. It's helping everyone else out. Can you help us out? No. Now, Brad and I've discussed us earlier on why the old ones didn't help out the neck frontier. And Brad, I liked your take on this. It's a big thing because I feel that the old ones saw that if they uplifted the necronteer, that the necronteer would now have their only shortcoming taken away. And they were already a plague on the galaxy to the old ones. And then you take

that away. Now you have a mortal necron tier effectively just destroying the galaxy forever. Yeah. So they didn't get it to him. So the NECronter decide, well, screw you and your stupid technology, I'm going to kill you. Problem for them is, I was right. Their weapons are incredible. They're built for war, and they're about to wage a war that with someone who can move anywhere in the galaxy in an instant, has warp weapons, that you've, warp powers you've never even encountered before. You don't even know exist.

You don't even know exist. and it's not even a competition. I mean, the old ones just run through them. They get smoked. I mean, every battle is like a laughable. They make their, they disintegrate ships. I mean, it's just, it's like, it's nothing.

It's colossal. But the interesting about the old ones is, they don't wipe out the Necron tier. They just push them back to them. No, they just repel. They don't even just, they don't attack him ever. They pushed them back. No, I'm saying.

They, when they fight, they win, and that's it. Yep. And the Necron tier find themselves, though, in just a small corner, the galaxy still being irradiated and real mad oh so angry like oh so angry i'm gonna go i'm gonna go super specific on this and no one'll know this they go stephen ericsson levels of man talada moss mad someone looked that out for me stop making references that predate digital text these are old books by the way these are books are written typewriters uh

So the Nacron tier running a problem, and the problem they run into is they just lost horribly. They got beat 80 to 3. Yeah. I mean, there's no fight here. And well, there's the thing. And this is glossed over because in the, even in the codex and stuff, they act like this, they act like the old ones beat them. Cool. Then they met the Catan.

Nope. They effectively started studying different their son specifically. but they notice that something's going on in that. And they find out that there's star gods, there's entities in that. One of the things I read with Art. These are all codexes was they noticed their son was dying. And they thought, so this has been rewritten.

So depending on which necrone codex you go into, this has been reprimed. That's because a catan is literally eating the sun. And so we'll take a quick left turn into what a catan is. So first of all, it's pronounced. Catan or Cetan, I don't care. I don't care. You guys pick it up. Whatever I'm doing wrong, I'm sorry.

They predate the old ones. These are actually Cetans, from what my understanding is, they are an entity that just absorbs energy. That's what they do. That's their fuel source. And so we don't know how many of them there are, but they don't seem to like each other very much, and they're super independent. So the necrons.

They're also immortal. entities that have been around for yeah the dawn of the dawn of the galaxy so these things predate everything and the necrons is about three different stories here and how the necrons meet them story number one is the kind of the lazy one of like we looked at our son and there was something in our son yeah but the other one was we spent almost a thousand years trying to communicate with with them and i actually like that story quite a bit because they're so angry and they need some way to fight back that they are literally yelling at a star. One of the other stories I like, though, was actually was that they were so angry at the

old ones that their anger triggered the C-Tans to say, hey, this looks interesting, and kind of went, hey, tell me, what's up? And the reason why the fun little bit of the retcon here, that C, that GW is done around Nicarons is all of the stuff that we know about the interaction between the C-Tan and the Necron tier comes from their interaction with a very specific C-Tan, whose nickname is The Deceiver. So there you go, everybody. How did your negotiations go with the Deceiver?

Our entire history of the C-Tan comes from the Deceiver. who, by the way, engineered himself to get a body. Yeah, that was got cool, actually. To meet the Necrons. But also, it's not like he just did that. He actually avatars himself out. Yeah. And goes, meets with a whole bunch of them and kind of figures out that the silent king,

who will be the Silent King, has the most pull, but is also effectively the most angry and is willing to do anything. This is like any of those, I make a deal with the devil, you should probably read the small print. Oh, yeah. Well, they didn't realize his name was the deceiver. Yeah.

You're like, hey, man, who are you negotiating with again? The deceiver? This should all go well. Yeah, so this is going to go great. So according to the deceiver, and this is, again, I'm making you guys, I like that you said, according to the deceiver. Because it's an important caveat here.

Now, the downside of this whole thing is we don't have an alternative history. So we've got the story from the deceiver and nothing. Those are our two choices. So we're going with what the deceiver says is that the old ones and actually fought the C-Tan a long time ago at some point maybe. Like at the beginning of time kind of thing. And the old ones beat them down pretty badly because this is going to be an important piece later. the old ones had mastery of the warp, the C-Tan don't.

So the C-Tan and the Necron tier make a really good alliance because they both have a similar problem. They hate the same person, the old ones. And they have the same problem. Yeah, they can't fight through the warp. So what are we going to do together? We're going to team up.

In one of the worst negotiations of all time, you give me an endless supply of your souls for me to lunch on. And we are going to do a Nechron episode. So some of the stuff, those of you who were big Necron fans, sorry, Neckron fans. We're not, we're not skipping over this forever. We're just trying to get to a point.

So we're going to come back. It is a pretty shit deal, though. It is shit. Well, I'm saying, but we're going to skip some of the elements of this. And to be honest, we will go on to with the Necron episode. Yeah, part. The nobles are pretty complicit on the fact that everybody except for the nobles is effectively going to be a buffet for the stand.

Yeah. So what the Catan realized, I'm going to keep going Catan-C-Tan. That way, when I edit this, I can't make a choice. So y'all is going to deal with this. Sorry, they grew up in a place with heavy accents, so we're going to mess around. I actually have no idea when it is. I don't either. So I'm just going to keep bouncing back and forth, so I'm right part of the time. We'll be right back after a quick break. So the challenge is that the Catan, as we've said, or in C-Tan, feed on the energy of stars. They tend to latch onto a star. They eat it until a star dies. And then they have them go to another star. Luckily, they're in the Milky Way.

There's a lot of stars. But they almost, this is a nice homage to the warp entities later, discover that actually feasting on the souls is way better. It's so much more efficient, too. Yeah, these guys are going from, like, you know, shitty ground beef to filet mignon. Yeah. We're going hard here. They juice up, like, pretty hard here.

And also, there's a lot of Necron tear. There are. And so this is actually going to. a win for them so that they convince the necronteer that they can this i mean it's well let's talk about what they do though because this is a big deal well i was thinking about the last episode or one episode before we talked about the deals that the traders made with the chaos gods where it's that piece of like you know we'll use nergel i don't worry give your souls to me and this plague you will not you won't die won't die you're struggling on this

like, but you won't die. The Cetan offer up the Necron tier. We will give you the immortality. You've always wanted. You will, we are removing. You will be immortal. That's it. Immortal.

However, you will be immortal with no soul because the Necron, the Cetan convinced the Necron tier, who thou become the Necrons. Yep. To transfer their entities, their consciousness. into robot bodies. But in the process, in the transferal process, unless you're a noble, your soul goes right on the buffet, the lunch buffet.

It eats it instead. There is no. It is delicious. Yeah. And it's hard. And it's interesting because Necrons are neither AI, but they're also not fully self-aware. They're a weird in between. It's like the, it's like the nobles are.

Well, but the Necron warrior, it's. almost the city ate half the soul. There's still enough in there that you're trapped. It's a soullish consciousness, though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They took up chunk. You're still in there, but you're not. But you're not.

Yeah. And so this point, this story will get to this necklines. It's actually pretty cool because actually effectively built factories where people are walking into the factory for like, ooh, upliftment day, which this has been in numerous sci-fi movies and video games. You guys are all aware of this, but I'm going into upliftment day and then, nope. You're going to be upgraded. I mean, sure.

You will live forever. Yes. And so what happens now is the necrons become an immortal and actually in some almost undying force because these robot bisonicover can actually do a president. They can't reconstruct. They have effectively, which is every sci-fi uses, we can't explain something. How does it work? Nanotechnology. Nanotechnology. Nothing better than a good sci-fi nanotechnology.

And they, and the big thing about this is, well, go into the gamer version, the necrons used to just disappear because they have teleportation technology. Not only they have the nanotechnology, but they just reanimate. So if you kill a necron, their nanotechnology just rebuilds the necrown. As long as there's even a little piece of them left. We can make more necrone. Which will go to the elder in a minute because they went, we'll just make it so there's not anybody left. So, but they have the ability to basically, if there's a finger of a neck around left,

they'll rebuild the whole thing. So, and they can also teleport it back to the factory. So they effectively have a, the emergency eject button on all of their, every single warrior, every single anything. There are big platforms, everything they have. If it gets beat up enough, it automatically teleports back. And this doesn't matter. This is how. how they're so wildly advanced, the distance doesn't matter. They will instantly go back to a factory to be rebuilt. And so what's crazy about this is it means that even though the necront here, they are numerous, don't get me wrong, but they technically don't have to build a single more unit

because they've already built is there forever. The necrons now are teamed up with the C-10 and they explode out of their part of the galaxy of the old ones. And as we discussed earlier, the old ones are not that numerous. Not only that they're not in the numerous. I think it's two-part. Sorry to jump all over that. But I feel like not only, again, we already talked about the fact that the old ones are very few.

The populace is tiny. I mean, really tiny, by the way. They are super powerful individual entities, but very few of them. And also, I think that they really didn't see this level of FU going on. Like, this is such a wild leap. from a race that it's a creator race. And this is a, I am willing to literally sell my soul to the devil to make this happen. And I feel that the old ones just didn't get that this was an option.

The old ones, I think, were a little bit overconfident in how the galaxy functioned and weren't concerned. It's vanity. Like I said earlier, I think that their own vanity did them downful because I feel that they didn't think they've already won every time. But it's not that they won. It would be different if they just were victorious. Yeah, they never have a problem. That's what I'm saying. They've never fought a battle where they didn't laughably win.

Yeah, just, okay, yeah. And since the beginning of time, though, so if you're literally millions of years in, and every time you've been in a fight, you flick jab somebody and they fell unconscious, well, you're probably not ready for a 12-round knockout brawl. And they were not ready. So not only do the necrons just, now it is in necrons,

just start wiping out sections of the galaxy. They even eventually breach the webway. Because the thing about the necrons is they can't access the warp. The webway is not the warp. And it's also they figure it out because it is technically technology. And so they- Because it is a construct. And now the old ones are, as we said earlier,

they are immortal. They are not perpetual. So they begin dying. And this launches into maybe one of the most important parts of 40K, which is what they do next. Two races. One I care more about the other, but I actually do care most about it. Well, let's go to my babies real quick. We'll do Brad's babies first.

They juice up. They give so many PEDs to the Eldar. They become a race built. For speed. Well, and my opinion was, I think they looked at the Eldar and said, of all the species we've encountered in the world in the universe, these ones most resemble us with their kindness and their compassion. Wow, were they wrong on that one? We'll get into that. Who?

Well, the thing is, we'll talk about this in the Elder episode. Eldar feel and live everything. It's considered 100 to 1,000 times more than a human. Yeah. But they also wore 100 to 1,000 times more. They're the first ADHD-focused drug kids in the galaxy, and they, whatever they do, they do, that's it. That's what they do.

This is my specialty. And they said, we need you. to fight the necrons because we are getting trucked. And the thing is about this, the elder at the time, it becomes something different. The elder eventually used the war up to their whole society is psychic. But at the time, their psychics are for war. Yeah. They have constructs of war.

They only do psychics to defeat the enemy that doesn't have psychic defense. We have to talk about that again. they made a psychic race that is literally made to defeat a non-psychic race. You're like, hey, we don't have the technology to take care of them shooting us. They don't have any defense against having their minds exploded. Let's make a bunch of people that blow up your mind. So they throw them out. And the Eldar are an uplifted race.

They already existed. And the idea is, again, my opinion. The idea is that the old ones were going to hand the galaxy over to the Eldar. They were their backup plan. It always was their backup plan. I agree on this. Whatever was going on the Elder were the backup plan. But the thing with the Eldar is, as good as the Eldar warring.

They needed some other things. The next race that they created is one of my favorite. But pause real quick. They did kind of break the Eldar. Yeah. Because I think that the Eldar were supposed to be these poets and philosophers. And they had to turn them to war. Yeah.

And so they took those guys and turned them to war. Yeah. Probably set the Eldar down the path that the Eldar ended down was this maneuver. I think that's actually that's a great point. They actually shipped them. The Eldor were said to be poets and beautiful and architects. They were going to rebuild. They were going to be the architects of the entire galaxy.

They were going to make a beautiful galaxy that anyone could live in. And they flipped them. They flipped the war switch on them. And yeah. Things went back. I mean, they ruined, like, they may not have done it on purpose. It took 64.5 million years. But they did.

break the sky and the warp. They did, yeah, create a new chaos guide. So whatever. Things happen. We're probably feeding the prior ones. The next one they build is, for those of you who don't know what they are, the Jo Caro. Jo Caro Weapons Miss. This is something that is awesome. I'm just going to be honest.

It's an orangutan, effectively. That can make weapons out of his mind. It just picks up random pieces and it hands you back the most powerful blaster. you've ever seen in this world. They are, from a sci-fi standpoint, so cool. They literally grab, they are the MacGyver. Yeah, the McGi-Eyver. But like, yeah, but McGiver meets 18 meets, like, I don't know, every steroid.

Every GI Joe cartoon in the 80s? It is, yeah, that's true. I mean, they really are. The Jo Caro are so cool, where you just put them somewhere. And so, side note on Joe Carrow, because I just like them a lot, mankind in the 41st millennia has a pretty strong feeling about non-mankind races, namely kill all of them. One pretty extreme example is the Joquero. When they find them, oh, no, we're hanging out because the Jochero makes weapons no one's ever seen before.

And they just do it while bored. That's true. By the time the 41st millennium comes along, they just go, yeah, here, you can have what you want. I'll just give it to you. I'll just give it to you. And so I really recommend all of you. Look up Jo Caro. We're going to, we will do an episode on Joe Carrow, but they're cool as hell.

Just look them up. The next one that they make, though, is, it's the perfect being. Yeah, they have a problem. The Eldar are good. The Eldar can fight. The Eldar can do these things. But as Brad said, they were also. But they also don't make a ton of elder.

Yeah. And they brought they were poets. They were being converted over. The Jo Caro, they don't fight. They just make a weapon. So you need something that. that just fights. You put them anywhere and they just fight.

I believe that this is the only, not the only, this is one of the races they actually engineered from scratch. And it was called the Cork, K-R-O-R-K. Whatever, baby. Mork, Gork, it's orcs all the way.

It's orcs all the way. They made the orcs and they needed a warring faction. Also, the most powerful psychers in the galaxy. The orc episode is going to be glorious. So they unleashed these back at the C-Tan and the Nacron. And the orcs are effectively innumerable.

They're just, it's an endless swarm. And they were a lot bigger, too. The stories of the cork, because the cork were almost 12 meters. They're like ogres. Yeah. So we're talking, and for those of us who live in the U.S., 12 meters is 40 feet. So a four-story building.

They made giants effectively. Yeah, so a gork or not, but it's green, you know, And it's coming there. And it also makes other. Yeah, it makes other orcs. And it's still populate. It's still a sport. It's more.

And so they unleash these things back. And all the gains and theocrats were having. Let's pull me back though, because the, the Catan and the necrons are wrecking. Yeah, there's winning. But again, they have, not only do they not have, they don't, they don't have any defense. I had to pause on that. I'm like, it's. It's so hard to explain because it's one of those things where not only do you not have,

you're not even aware. You don't know why you're dying. Like the guy next to you just exploded. You don't know why he exploded. But there also were orcs. So you know why he's dead because that big green thing is messed up. What I'm saying. The Eldar.

Well, the other. And also they have psychers in the orcs still. That's true. They're actually, they're killing. their warp entity because they don't know they have a warp entity. Yeah, and the C-10 were actually, and they called without were especially vulnerable to warp powers, despite all the power they had for some reason, warp attacks on a C-Tan, which again, fix this GW10 edition, are especially covered full.

I'm going to ruin this. So the Catan. Yeah. So with this, one of the big things is, and they don't do this justice in the game, the Catan in the stories are invoical. we're also, I want to pause this. If you play 40K and you play Catan, you are not playing. No, yeah, you're not, yeah.

You were literally playing tiny shards of these beings. Why it's such a big deal that they were susceptible to the warp is they were invulnerable to any, they were taking volcano cannons to the face and going, oh, I'm sorry, were you shooting at me? Yeah. I don't care. Like, this is, You don't have anything that I give a shit about.

And then they continue to walk in and went, oh, yeah, I forgot why we lost the first time. That dude just murdered my soul. Oh, that was a bad thing. But unfortunately, you can with Orks and Eldar. Well, actually, fortunately, can start just pushing through. And they start falling back massively. The Necrons, all the games they're making, they begin losing. as Brad did said earlier,

necrons are still technically, they're almost perpetual, but in a weird way where you kill them and they teleport back to the home world, but you still have to be rebuilt and the war is starting to go. It still takes resources too. Because they have to make more.

So they're getting pushed back. Oh, God, I love the pilots. We have to touch the pawns because it's going to come up a lot later. The pylons are so, oh my God. They're so important. I got to psych myself up. If you'd see me right now, I'm getting my cheat together. Pilons in the game are so wildly not pylons in the lore and the fluff. Yes.

Pilons are pew, pew, pew, big guns. They are not just big guns. They are technology that is beyond technology. They have worked out the math on, I need to shoot somebody in the soul. Well, the pylons are so important because the pylons effectively turn off the warp. It's a Gellarfield. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. They literally are shooting people in the soul.

You can stop the warp from existing with a pylon. The C-Tan and the necrons begin constructing these specialized ponds because they realize they can win this war as long as there is no warp. So they have more people. They have more everything. Well, the orcs are starting to turn the time. The orcs probably. But besides that. You're my both love of the orcs, and we're both right.

But I mean, the orcs might have still just won this war eventually, but it would have been way longer. Exactly. And so they begin these pylons. One of them is that Acadia. And I'm just going to say that now because it's coming up later. I'm saying now, but these pylons, you build the pylons together, and it's almost like an invisible electric fence, and they all connect to each other.

We're not going to at least touch on this a little bit. I'm going to blast right through. Okay. I'm just going to drop the word cadia. I mean, there's... Watch people go, but I'm thirsty. You can have water later.

There's also, there's so many Imperium worlds that only exist as Imperium world because there's a bunch of Necron shit. Yeah. On the top of it. Yeah. We are going to have to do an entire

multiple episode on Acadia alone, not to mention all the pylons. I was saying all the Necron stuff that like, again, the Imperium goes, we should settle here. This planet's super cool. What addition did Necron's come out?

Was it fifth or sixth? It was a third. It was the third. It was third edition. We had two full editions without necrons. So this lore just keep track of where it was coming from, everybody. They were basic. They had two units, by the way.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Warriors and immortals. I mean, now, what do you play with now? But anyway. So they build the pylons, and what they're coming up with, Lepon, is to shut down. They basically were trying to trap the warp. They're building a cage that would envelop and hold the warp in one area.

And their goal was just, we'll win the war everywhere else, and we're going to trap these entities within this like small area other the ponds were holding. However, they couldn't build fast enough. And the warp does warp stuff. Oh, sorry. The stuff of chaos. Wait a second. Is chaotic.

Yeah. But in it, oh God. By the way, you love these guys. I fainte them. So fine. I'll do it then. So what's, I hate these guys so much. But you know what?

Screw this. I'm going to get a game reference. Inslavers used to take your units from you. Yeah. And then your opponent could play with your models. Yeah, I didn't say the rules were cool. I'm saying the model. They're also dicks. Oh, they're horrifying creatures.

They as, as, Brad, we were talking earlier. The warp prior to this period is a serene ocean of flat. No one disturbs it. And even the old ones would play with it a little bit, but they're using webways to get around in it. They're literally eco-friendly. Now we have our first galactic level war. The war in heaven is the first big war.

We are talking trillions, more than trillions. I just don't know that next one up, even though my phone's in front of me and I could Google it. Quadrillions. Quadrillions. Zillions, whatever, of beings killing each other. So the warp in its early stage starts getting affected. It's little

movements, little things. There's some turbulence in the war. And the first, and this is what actually ends up, spoiler alert, winning the war for the C-10, sort of, we'll get to that in a second. A warp entities begins appearing called the enslavers. And this is... This guy sucks so much. They are called the enslavers because, oh yeah, they dominate your mind and they do this on a

mass level. I should also make it so people don't thing I'm a horrible human being. The reason I like the enslavers is that I'm a D&D person, and they remind me a lot of a Beholder. And that's kind of why I like them. The Beholder meets a Mindflare. It's a mind flare. It's a little bit of both.

The mind flares were always... True. They also have devastating magic attacks. That's the thing. So you've got this, like, double combo of the way that they work. And so that's why I just... And there's very few of them, and they start... Actually, they start wrecking shop.

Yeah, they disappear. So this is like... And this is separate from the C-Tan. The C-Tan Necrons are still having their war. And the old ones and the elder and the orcs are fighting back. And then these things just start appearing. And as we said earlier, there weren't a lot of old ones. You know, wildly, and I didn't even plan on this,

because why plan when you could just go off the seed of your cuff? That's not even a real phrase. Yeah. But also, we can edit that out at any point in time. They're just going to feed that in there. Right. Shoes not to. But this is the first race that traveled through the warp at will.

or sorry, the first race that traveled to the Whipo. Well, the other way. That's what I'm saying. So the old ones could travel through the warp. This is the first across the imiterium to the materium. What I'm saying, the old ones traveled through their Webway gates, though. Oh, that's true. Yes, you're right.

Oh, wow. That's right. This is the first race that actually used before demons, before anything. Yeah. This is the first race, a faction of people that use the warp to travel. And so I'm going to get, that goes Brad doesn't like them. So screw I'm doing this. What makes their powers were cool to me.

So they're kind of, what they could do is they move through the warp, they could appear anywhere anytime. And what they would do is they would target psychers, just like we were talked about around the end of the age of technology, a dark age of technology, where the first time where psychers would just get possessed by a demon, this is happening 60 million years earlier, but it was an enslaver.

And the enslaver would capture the minds of a cyker. But then they would turn. He would dominate them. Well, yeah, and then they would turn. turn them into a living warping. But the stories I like about this are cool. The person who's the slave has no idea. They're still going to work or doing whatever they're doing,

wander around. And then one day they just explode and a bunch of other enslavers pop out of them and start downing the minds of everything else. So these things are- They are actually kind of beholders, though, because they're- That's what I say. It's more of a beholder. The body is more of a beholder.

It's a beholder. It's a beholder body, but it's a mind flare. It's a mind-flare. Exactly. I just, we're both, as you guys can tell, Brad and I are both played a lot of. So they begin to consume all the worlds of the old ones. And this actually leads to the old ones losing effectively because the, the enslavers are drawn to the most powerful psychic entities that exist.

And that would be. They also don't have a plan for this. The enslavers are just there to F things up. Seriously, like, there's no, they're not trying to win a war. They're not trying to do anything. They're not a conscious mind. They're not there trying to like, okay. we're going to go to this planet.

There's no planet. It's just, that looks tasty. They're following food effectively, and the food is a brain of a sight. They're just doing bad things to do bad things because that's how they feed and do things. And one cool thing on the enslavers is they actually still exist in 41st millennium. When they are found, they are a problem and they are immediately dealt with. Like bad, bad.

And also, we want to, there's some pretty good stories about this. The Imperium goes. pretty harsh. They were pretty hard in the pain to get rid of enslavers. I mean, they are, because you have to send blanks out there. There's stuff you,

in order to remove an enslave or infestation, because as I said, before, they're feeding off the minds of psychers, we have the, I'm just going to go ahead and do this. We have the Grey Knights

who were designed to fight demons, but you probably shouldn't send grey knights to fight enslavers. Oh, no. Who no, no, no. Bad idea. So you said you have to send sisters of silence

to fight the fight. You need blanks. Yeah, you blanks. So there's silence. maybe Eversores, not Eversores. The Calexis. Colexus assassins. This is we have to use to fight them.

And while you go there, remember, they are spreading within a population. They are very, very cool. You have no idea where they are. Yeah, they're very, very cool. And they appear out of the war. If they're not doing anything, they're just weakening the old ones. So the old ones start to get wrecked a little bit. And here's the problem is, do the old ones die?

Do the old ones leave? I don't know. The old ones are gone suddenly. Yeah, the old ones, are they dead? Do they get defeated? Do they, where did they go? I don't know. We'll be right back after a quick break.

The big thing is that the enslaver plague creates a very sudden and massive loss of life. As we discussed earlier, the sea tans were actually feeding on the deaths of the souls. But in a kind of a strange way that happens here, there's a, a sudden loss of life throughout the entire galaxy, massive loss of life, the C-Tans can't take advantage of. They basically don't get to power up on any of the souls. And the Necron specifically the Silent King. Silent King has been, we actually need to pull this back.

Yeah, let's pull us back. We need to pull this back because this isn't like this happened. This is a year of war. This is a long, drawn. Thousands of years. of war. This is a long, crazy drawn-off process. And the Netsrons

are aware they got screwed. Yeah, they know that they've gotten the shit part of the deal. And they know that they've gotten the shit part of the deal for, I don't know, they've been talking about it for the last 500, 600, 000 years. We've had a long war,

and they've basically gone, hey man, I think we may have done 99% of our civilization wrong. you know, the ones where we fed the souls to those guys. Also, do we keep having to tell that guy we negotiated with that his names of the deceiver? I feel like we might have got something wrong. But the problem that Ekrons do have with that is as much as they recognize the Cetans got them,

went over on them. The Cetans, to your point, are immortal. They are immortal and invulnerable, sort of. So as we said before, the Cetans are a being of energy that feeds off energy. They used to eat stars. Now they're eating dead souls. And what happens suddenly is there's not a lot of dead souls. And the C-10 noticeably weakened, like massively.

Effectively, the neck rounds figure out, I can't kill these guys. It's like that regenerating thing that you can't deal with. Well, if he's always going to come back, what should I do? Well, how about if we break him apart and put him in, a hundred different jars and just deal with that. And that is exactly what they do. I know it's unsub simplistic, but that is what they do. Yeah. I mean, they do that. So they break them up. So the necrons, so this whole war is going on. The old ones disappear effectively. They just leave, actually. Well, they disappear. Well, we don't know. Even a second yet. They disappear.

Eldar and or corks are still very much so there. And the necrons are sitting there going, Well, we could go defeat the Eldar and the cork with the C-Tan. But if we do so, we will be behold to them for eternity. The Germany, I could go here, but I could also attack the Russians. Yeah. So they decide to do to free, well, it's different because they attacked the Russian. They were stupid. This one was actually an intelligent move.

They went to go free themselves. And they attack, yeah, they attack the C-Tan. But they take massive losses. I mean, just, again, you're attacking the guys that, hold on, what is your weakness again? Warp psychic? Yeah. What do I not have any thing of? Warp psychic.

Exactly. So we have nothing that can hurt you, but we're trying. But we've got a lot of technology and we're going to shoot you with the biggest guns we possibly can. We think that we can weaken you and split you up, which is effectively what they do. They divide them and when they divide them, they capture them. But in doing so over thousands, I mean, probably millions of systems at this time. And they break them apart. and the C-Tan loose.

The C-Tan are gone now. They are turned in. Well, they are, but they literally have enslaved the Gatan. They have shards. They have vaults that they keep them in, which is where you get vaults. Forty-K players, that's how you get vaults. But you literally have these shards. They've broken them up.

They can't kill them. They literally cannot kill them. But they can break them up and they move them away. They effectively go, okay, cool. you live on the other side of the galaxy than the other piece of yourself because we don't want them close together. Those pieces can never touch. So we're going to keep them all the way. But in doing so, they get wrecked.

Oh, yeah. And their civilization is effectively in tatters. And they're not sure what they're going to do. And the silent king comes up with the brilliant yet terrible idea of the Eldar and the, well, slash, orgs, but mainly the elder at this point in time, because they are actually organized. Yeah, the works. Orgs not exactly organized. Yeah.

Yeah. But the elder, they're like, we can't fight another war right now. Well, the elder, yeah, we sacrificed, we killed the Qatan, the Citan to save ourselves. Pause again, John. But in doing so, we lose all of the power. But again, we're not saying that this happened in again a day. The problem is, is that while they're fighting the Catan War, The elder are still coming.

The elder are still coming. And this is again hundreds slash thousands. We don't actually know, to be honest with you. But it's a long time. And in this war, the elder have taken zero losses because they are building their entire civilization. Actually, I'm in terms of, you know, that is that we talked by this. I should have put in the notes. I didn't.

They're only four to ten. We're not talking about them taking on a battle of like thousands of countries. Oh, no. Four of them. and it takes them a large percentage of their civilization to take out four of them. I forgot to mention that in this war, occasionally the Catan blow up worlds by leveraging stars. Yeah, just because they could. They death star, basically.

They do this. And this now, again, this episode's about the old ones. This is about the old one's legacy, which can get to in a second. But right now we've got the Necron's win. They do break up the Catan. And now you've got... But it took you... It took you too long.

It did. But we went from a galaxy where the two most powerful creatures in the galaxy were the old ones in the Catan. And now they don't exist anymore. True. So now... Old ones are gone. You literally imprisoned all of the Catan. We now falls down to the lesser races.

So now in the galaxy... That's going to hurt fall. That's true, though. The galaxy, we now have the Eldar, the Cork, Mankind. The Mankind doesn't exist at this point. Man. Mankind doesn't exist. Yeah, actually it's 65 million years.

No, let me hear it. They don't exist. You know what? I just occurred to me. Sorry, I'm going on a tangent here. And I'm going to do it because it needs to be done. In the books, we talk about them seeing mankind. This is 65 million years.

The asteroid has not hit the earth yet. There is no mankind. There are small mammals that look like rats. That's what they have. So first off, G.W. They're like with frogs. I'm just going with, this was all written in the 80s and 90s. You could have read a book, GW.

Sorry, and I may have deleted this later, but that upsets me. It just occurred to me that that happened. They didn't do with it. Look, they didn't go to university. Yes, they did. They're British. Yes, they did. They went on literary degrees.

Which involves reading. Not about history. I know. I'm just going with, they covered in the books. I've read it in the codexes where they talk about their interactions with mankind and seeing a potential of uplifting them. And they were off by, oh, 45. million years. I mean, give or take. Just like a survey, plus or minus. Plus or my, yeah,

your standard deviation is a little embarrassing. I made to leave this, but I'm just, I just occurred me as we were talking about it and that pissed me off. So, well, let's go with what happens at this one because the neck rounds literally go, hooray, we won, we beat the Gatan. And they went, remember those guys we were fighting with a while back? They're super pissed. Yeah, they're super mad because their creator race, as far as they know, just left. And it's our fault. And oh, yeah, we haven't touched them in somewhere between one and a thousand years. And they've been building a lot of shit.

And oh, yeah, remember our weakness? That they have our weakness. Yeah, they're coming for us. And so the necrons go, we could fight the Eldar and the orcs. And lose horribly. And, yeah, or. And the silent king goes, or we could just hybrid. name and literally bury ourselves.

And they do a great job of this because they have effectively stealth technology where they can mask their presence of being there. So they literally dig into the core of worlds and project. I don't even know what you want to say. They basically make a non-detection. They teleport themselves. Yeah, they teleport themselves into like the cores of the earth. but all these planets all over the galaxy.

And the Eldar just, I mean, it's kind of funny thing about the Eldar, who were an incredibly intelligent race. It could find them instantly psychic. Showing up world after world going, also not here. Like, where'd these dudes go? So from there, I think we can kind of move.

They literally did a horror movie, by the way. You know that. You know what? I refuse to move on for this. They literally went, well, he's not here. I guess everything's safe. I guess everything's safe. Move on without a day.

They're NPCs. They got a guy got shot. shot right next to him. Must have been the wind. That guy's dead next to me. It was the wind. It was the wind. Although the Silent King does go on a little vision quest into the, he does leave.

A couple of guys with the reanimate buttons leave. But let's move now into. Well, the pause on this real quick. We'll go for it in the Neckron episode. But everybody goes into hibernation except for the Silent King who goes into dark space to think about the shit he did. wrong. Yeah. And it is several. Well, and he discovers something very important in that dark space that comes to him. He starts rushing back. Yeah, he decides to reanimate at the same point. At this stage, to close at the episode, we've talked about the old ones came from, the legacy

of the old ones. This helps us get into further episodes. The first thing they did was they handed the universe over to the Eldar. The Elder were there. Which I think they were going to do always. Yeah. But they again took a poet and philodian. of a race and ruin them. They weren't incredibly intelligent race. Do you think they saw this all coming? No. Yeah.

Okay. Because of the fact that I think that they, I think that they always were grooming the Eldar to be the race that was better than them. It wasn't a year going to replace me because I know I'm going to die one day. It was the, I'm going to build you up to replace me. And be the best version of me you could ever have been. But instead, this happened.

and then I made you the worst version of you you could ever be. And then I'm going to talk about my favorite thing. The Orcs. My bad. My bad. They were the crooks at this point. So the fun thing about the Crocs, and spoiler alert, this is our next episode, is going to be Orks.

When you make a race that's built for only one purpose, that purpose is war and killing. Yeah. You modified one race. You made a race. You made them for only one. thing. And so then they take that race and the only thing they were genetically made to listen to is the old ones and they're gone. This is a fun level of anarchy. So my notes here were just

watch. So the orcs now get to our current timetable 60 million years of warfare. And yeah, these are fun things with that. I actually put a note here for mankind, but screw them. There was no mankind. They were off by 40 million years. The warp is the next big piece that they affect. We ruined the warp. Yeah, the first time we've now, this is it. No, this is the beginning.

This is where we got. This is where, well, one, the El Dar are by design now from the old ones tied to the warp. Every single Eldar effectively has, can I D&D it? I'll go get Yankee style. Everyone has effectively a tendril. Yep. A silver warp, you know, you go into the... I don't mind.

The astroplan. But basically every single warp, every single Eldar has a tie to the warp. They have literally a, they are all tied, their soul is tied to the warp. Everything that they do has an echo in the warp. And it is the first race that has this effect on the warp. And you just had a race that is now tied to the warp, have a war. Well, I think there's an important piece that it has an effect on the war. You never have a positive effect on the war.

You could have, if you would have left them be philosophers and poets. But that's, I think the warp has no positive. I think the warp only feeds off negative energy. There's no, there's no poetry got the warp. Agreed to disagree. Fair enough. Fair enough. But that's where I look at it, but this is it.

The warp has now been destabilized and it doesn't restabilized. We have basically started a whirlpool. A tsunami is coming. It, the warp went from this ocean of serene power to a turbulent mess. And it was, you could still draw power from it. And the elder do for millions of years. millions of years. I do wonder, this is a personal thing, I wonder if the warp corrupts in the sense that did the warp get a taste? So because it was just this un... Are you saying that ultimate power

always ultimately corrupts? But I'm also saying that I think the warp is a living entity in a weird way in the sense that all this war, all this death fed it and it liked that feed. And I think the warp then created things like the enslaved. I think it creates and encourages... Do you think the warp is ominous by itself? I think the warp, I think the warp, it was self-aware at this point. It became more self-aware later with the creation of chaos gods. It became extremely self-aware. But I think at this stage, the warp is aware enough to start feeding some of these things.

I mean, I'm just saying that like, sometimes you're wrong and sometimes you're really wrong. And we will come back to this. The last two species we should talk about with the necrons, who are asleep. Asleep. And also, like, we have to give them props. They've just won two galactic conflicts. Yeah. But we have to give them the thing on this.

They have such high levels of technology, which after 65 million years have still not been reached. Still, that's true. Yeah, we were 65 million years later, and they've like the best technology in the galaxy. So we're going to go with pretty good at this. And also, they have the tech to just not be detected. That's a real thing, too.

They also may have slept just a little bit too long. There were some issues. And we're going to cover the neck run episode. We're going to talk about some of the problems of they didn't mean to go 65 million. Yeah, they would like they overshot the mark. It's a little bit of Austin Powers reference here. It's going a little bit long on this one. The last one here, though, and we're going to go completely non-canon.

You have, you don't. I need to let everybody know that John has wrote Ternids with five question marks. And that is not enough question marks. Yes, followed by Brad with a lot of dots. You know, we're going to close on this. Yeah. I'm telling you guys, the old ones are literally the overmine, the hive line. There we go.

Screw you. I'm standing on that. I'm not even going to details on that. You all can understand what we're going from from this one, and we're going to be discussing a lot more of this in the future. So with that, our next episodes, plural, unknown how many, we're going to start recording them, and then they just will stop and we're done, are going to be the orcs. And the very simple reason behind this is that Brad and I have two favorite factions between the two of us, Eldar and Orks.

We actually both love both of them. We both play Eldar. We both play Orks. I'm ending on a log. Yeah, but Orks are more fun. So we've decided we're doing this. So with that, thank you all for joining us. Again, please like and subscribe and join us on Discord and Facebook.

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