The 40k Lorecast - Episode 138 - The Night Lords pt3 - Konrad seriously annoys the Lion, and eventually meets his doom

Episode Date: May 11, 2026

On Today’s cast we conclude our coverage of the night lords. We open with maybe the most consequential event of the entire Horus Heresy, Sotha. And then jump back to the adventures of Konrad as he plays hide and seek with the Lion, and then the Lion and Guilliman. Only to later both breakup the Triumvirate as well as save the imperium (by accident?). We then follow him to his final death (or was it really a suicide), and the subsequent breaking up of the legion.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallBrad ChannelOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Hims and use my code hims.com/40KLORE for a great deal: https://www.hims.com* Check out Pebl and use my code hipebl.ai for a great deal: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Progressive: https://www.progressive.com* Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/40klore for a great deal: https://www.quince.com* Check out Shopify and use my code shopify.com/lore for a great deal: https://www.shopify.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Also, I think there's so much that's going to happen back on McCracken a little bit, but you decided to spend the most time on. Sotha, by far. Everything's on, look, Sotha's more interesting. Because Sotha's actually more important. All right, let's talk about, of all the things that are going to happen

in the, from what we're M31 right now, through M41, none of it happens if Sotha doesn't happen. I would say that what happens on McCrack is better, because in his shit talking, he gives them. McCrack doesn't happen without Sotha.

I mean, fine, he sneaks on board for weeks and weeks and weeks. But they don't end up in McRag without Sotha. Sure. There we go. That's my point. Sotha is actually the most important part. One of the, not most, it's one of the most important parts of the entire Horace heresy and was written, by the way, like two decades after they wrote the horse heresy.

That's a side note. So, Sotha, I just, I love this story. We covered a while back. We're going to touch it again. Sotha is a planet in the region of Ultramar, the greatest region in all of the galaxy. Under one of the. Nice. Under one of the mountains is a necrone pylon.

And the ultramarines discovered it at one point. They're trying to unlock its secrets. Although ironically, actually wasn't in the ultramines. It was a war smith from the Iron Warriors, who was still loyal, named Dantioch. And all that they knew was that this structure somehow affected the Astronomicon in one way or another. But they couldn't fully understand why. After the destruction of the night lord fleet, the dark angels, or should say the brutal, ass kicking of the night lord fleet by the dark angels everyone fled for whatever reason the

morneval point just outside sotha is considered a blind spot to the imperium which sounds cool until we consistently remember that no scanners in all of 40k work ever so like a blind spot in 40k is basically anywhere that a person is not actively looking out the window at calling it out right now but anyway the night lords decided that this one spot was going to be our super secret meeting point. And so a bunch of night lords all appeared right above Sotha completely undetected by the ultramarines. Weird. It's because they're good at stealth, yo. Or because no one ever detects anything in 40K.

I'm going to go with the night lords are good with stealth. Thank you very much. Okay. Unfortunately. I said today, sir. I said your day. Now, the ultramarines below, the downside for them is the Nightlord fleet above them was a lot bigger than them. And this is during the stage, this is after Erebus had pulled off the ritual.

So there's a massive warp storm everywhere. Soaport communication is jacked. Warp travel is jacked. Sotha is an easy target. It is not well defended. There are ultramarines there, but there's not a lot of them there. And the ability for the ultramarines to get there quickly is minimal. And so the night lords who are licking their wounds after genuinely getting the crap

beaten out of them by the nightlords are looking for a victory. And a key element of this invasion, just from a story standpoint for the night. Master's czar, yo. Yeah, Tsar, see a car. Whatever. I think it's, is it see a car? Whatever. All right.

And also, I hate the name clawmaster. I just wish they just call them captains, like claw master. You are such a hater. Well, they're like, oh, this guy's like, it's just some of the terms of something. made up by an eight-year-old. I'm not a captain. I'm a claw master. Shut up, dork. All right. I see a car was like especially butt hurt after Thramus, but he's a little bit weird. Most of the night lords were just, he's more of, he's more standard space marine than a bunch of the other. Well, no, he's more standard chaos space marine. Yes. Because he wants to be a warlord of a

successful warlord ban effectively. Exactly. Whereas the other night lord. were on team like, hey, I was really enjoying pulling the eyeballs out of people, and now I can't. He was sitting there saying, I was about to be like the most glorious claw master ever. Why can't I? Why? I want to be better than this. So whatever, nerd. He then is part of this assembling of Nightlord.

So they all get together and they discuss what they're going to do on Sotha. Seacar speaks up randomly and says, going to lead the assault down there, my forces will conquer these guys, and I'm going to personally restore glory to the night lords, basically using the word me a whole lot, which gets him some serious side eye from the other night lords of like, what's on with this dude? But whatever. So the night lords, by the way, didn't know what was on Sotha. They just knew there were ultramarines there. And so they didn't realize what they were about to do and how big of a deal it was. So initial invasion goes pretty much as expected. Nightlords come pouring down and the ultramarines respond with just stoic perfection.

Organized and layered defenses kind of rip apart the first chunk of night lord attack because it's just disjoint. It's organized. But the ultra means no, this is not going to work. There are way too many of them. By the way, every ultramarine story involves the word rear and guard back to back. Every ultramarine story. No one has as many red shirts as the ultramarines. They love red shirts. I've debated remaking my ultramarine army, but just painting them all with red shirts because the amount of ultramarines that die in every story, you need a giant collection of red shirts. So they do a giant rearguard action while moving as many civilians as they can to evacuation, where they evacuate them to in a ruin storm? I don't know.

But that's the overall plan. The reason that I hate that we're doing this, because yes, Sotha, is we going to talk about it. But you realize this entire story is literally based on an ultra-marine centurion. Yeah. This is his story. It is not a Nightlord's story. And?

My bad. I'm not following. Oh, so it's better written. I'm just like, I'm like, prepared for this. I'm like, are we doing a lot of time on this one ultra-breed story? It's because of the conclusions. There's two conclusions to this.

So anyway, the ultramines fall back, Attican Square, it's a choke point. And the ultramines put up their super defense. They put up a shield wall, you know, blah, blah, blah. Atta nowhere, a bunch of civilians come, released it into the square. And these are civilians and nightlords had captured. The nightlords had basically had sewn their eyes shut. I mean, they were just, it ripped apart.

Because they knew just to get them in the way of the ultramarines. Then the nightlords came out with their vehicles, all their predators. But on top of their predators, the nightlords had captured neophyte ultramarines, and they'd flayed their, they were alive with their skin flayed, spread across the tanks, assuming the ultramarines wouldn't shoot them because they wouldn't want to kill their neophytes. They were wrong, by the Ultramarans are like, I don't know, I'm still blow up this stupid tank.

Watch this. I mean, they did just shoot. You're like, hey, yeah, with a nice thank you after they got shot. It's like, all right, like that dude's going to die anyway. Why don't like Las Canaan? And it seems like a better call. But eventually, as this is going,

the Ultramans are holding, but they're falling back. Once the ultramarine defenses are about to break, clawmaster Seacar strikes. He drives his spills. Barton Heavy Tank, which are they still in the game or those go to legends? No, I wish they were still in the game. Those were awesome. They would look awesome.

That's a lot of money for Snigs. That sucks. I have to give, even though I hate that he made this an ultramarine cast for a little bit, I have to give him props because like everything went to and the one, you know, Eckhart stood with them. Oh, Eckhart stood in Centurian armor, just wrecking one nightler after another. But eventually, as Eckhart's fighting and fighting, this is the captain there, Sikar sneaks behind him and kills him, right?

Carves his marking to him. And Carves his marking to him and stands above him celebrating. As he's celebrating, though, all of the Terminator nightlords around him turn and kill him. And they did this because, this is why I wouldn't talk about this story. They kill him because in the night lords, glory is unacceptable. Nightlords are there. There is no place for personal glory within the night lords. Vanity is worthless.

Victory is only the willingness to wield a knife. And so the idea is because Sikar held himself back, let others fight in his place, and then snuck in at the end to try and claim victory for himself, he was not worthy of being a night lord and so they killed it that's why i went to that story because i think it's a very cool story about one thing i do the nightlords are quote unquote like about the nightlords they are not they're not cowardly you know they'll run away from a fight like that like we're going to lose let's get out of here but that like dirty style is not their style but sick ars death though doesn't change anything with the out of the sotha quite the opposite on sotha they capture oh they wreck it

and they end up capturing Dantioch. And Dantioch, who's the warpsmith, they torture him. Dantioch knows that this necron thing on the planet. Ferros. Is important, but it doesn't know why. And while being just tortured and tortured and tortured, he gets concerned, basically, that the night lords don't know what this thing is,

but if it falls into the hands of Horace, it's probably a bad thing. And Dantioch, by the way, he never could make this thing work, which tracks, even M-41, the Imperium can't make Necron technology work. So he makes this decision. He goes, you know what? No one's going to get a hold of this thing.

You know who thinks this was an epically bad idea? Everyone inside the galaxy, when they let off the welcome mat for the Ternids. Well, yeah, so this thing explodes. So he fires it off, it explodes, and fires this giant, maybe the largest flash inside the war in the history of the galaxy. Everything in the galaxy and in the warp can see it, including, yeah, the tyranids.

So this is why when I talk about this, also why the first tyrannic war hit Ultramar, because this was the point they were going towards. This is why this is so important. We don't get the tyrannids in the galaxy if it weren't for this. Now, back to Conrad. And Sotha's going to matter in a second. So after poking the bear that was the Dark Angels over and over again, the night lords tried to yell. A lot.

He was, we did not talk enough about the wild amount of shit. Oh, it was horrifying what they were doing. Yeah. But then the night lords tried to yell, not in the face and run away from the dark angels, at which point Conrad woke up and said, no, those guys, and went right back in the Dark Angels who went, all right, I'll punch you in the mouth. And they, and he led a boarding of the invincible reason. Which, side note, I hate the naming mechanic in 40K. Like, you're a British company. I get these are older, but we're now coming into 11th edition. Can we please get a 40K

equivalent of Bodie McBoatface, please? Just one. We've got gas coming back, right? How about rock the big rock? I don't care. Just give me something. Give me a Bodie McBoat. face something in 40K. Just same. All right. But in Conrad's little attack, everyone dies except for him, and he goes full John McLean inside the invincible reason. Just crawling through air ducts despite being a freaking prime mark.

Now, Brad likes this next story. I do love this story. And this next story is one of those many stories. that when you read it is well written. It's cool. It's cool. And it's exciting. And when you take a step back and think about it, you go, oh, that's incredibly stupid.

So the dark angels look around and they do a quick count of how many people entered their ship and many dead bodies there were. And there's a key one missing. The night. The giant Elmite. Yeah. Yeah. And he's hidden. But he's also a primark.

on the capital ship of the Dark Angels, which is their best ship. So there is a nine foot tall, so three meter, 600 pound, 270 kilogram, warp-infused being is the only being on the ship who does not have the same genetic code as all the other ones on the ship. And their scanners apparently can't find this. the range and accuracy of eyesight at this point. So then the lion decides to do, oh, there's an angry murder primark

crawling through the aerodox of my ship. And he goes full-blown scary movie and decides, I know what to do. Let's all break up into small groups and find him. The only way this would have been better is if we had female primarks because then we could have checked every box of scary movies.

And they could have went. Also, let's go in without our weapons and alone. Yeah. Oh, my God. There was some metal gear solid of like, what's that noise? Probably nothing. Like, long, dark hallway. Someone should go down there.

Oh, no, my flashlight's dying. You know, smaller groups will help us track him down together. Like, what the hell? This is the whole thing. It's well written. It's cool, but it's really stupid. It's... And eventually...

In one way, he evades. them for 16 weeks. No, no, it's not, he evades them for a little bit. The lion gets pissed off. And the lion goes down there and spends 16 weeks looking for him. And he evades the lion for 16 weeks. That's the better part where the lion is, I'm assuming, taking his sword and banging on things, saying, Conrad, no. I'm assuming he did so much damage to his own ship.

I actually see walls. I take it other way. I could see him knocking on doors saying Conrad, then Conrad, that's the wall going, not in here. and why I'm walking away. Just yelling, Marco. Boto! Like, out, 16 weeks. Like, weird Benny Hill's skin of right back in the course.

Anyway, I guess that these books can be funnier if you wanted to be. But while all this is going on, the rest of the Dark Angel fleet, you know, as in the ship he's on, is trying to get back to terror. And there's a massive ruin storm. They cannot see terror, but they're trying. until eventually astropaths get a glimpse of this bright light of the Astronomicon. They go, awesome.

They change course, and they all beeline to it. And they get there, and they translate out of the warp, and they're promptly met by the Blood Angels, the Ultramar, Sanquinius, and Gilliman in Ultramar. Because it was the explosion of Sotho, which is, again, why this explosion is so important,

because the dark angels would have just been lost if Sotha hadn't happened. This is the only reason why this stuff all occurs. They end up there. This is a big deal in this because at the time Horace's plan was actually working. He did lead the angels on a goose chase. He did isolate the ultramarines. And the blood angels.

The blad angels were stuck. Yeah. And then you remember, wolves are in the middle of nowhere, you know, smashing prospero. So none of these people are where they should be, which is being able to come back to terror. So is what was working. So it was going well. So they get there and the lion gets a call saying, hey, two of your brothers are here. We're an Ultramar.

Can you go say hi? So he has to go leave Conrad behind it, which Conrad also goes, cool, Ultramo sounds fun. And he also sneaks out. How he sneaks out and gets out of the surface, I don't know. I'm assuming he made a bunch of dropout shoe out. Yeah. And that point is I don't get it because it's the same thing as the family guy version of, Star Wars where it's like, oh, it's an empty drop pod.

Yeah, don't shoot at it. I'm sorry, are we paying for these bullets? Like, oh, yeah, a bunch of drop pods went out. Yeah, we have guns, blow them all up. One of them has a prime mark in it who's a really bad prime mark. We can end this story right now on page seven. Cool. You know, this novel becomes a pamphlet like that.

I still underestimate the powers. of the Knight Hunter. Yeah. So we covered this before, but a quick recap on Imperium Secundus, aka the accidental coup. But with the Rubin's story. This is one of my favorite.

Well, let's set it up now, because they currently think that the emperor is dead, Tara has fallen. Well, it makes sense to them. They know, so Gilemon, Horace, and Sanguania are together.

They know Horace. They know how good he is. They know that Vulcan, is dead, they think. They know that Ferris Manus is dead. Dead. They assume that Korax is dead. It's good, because all of the Ravengard, except for 50, are currently bad.

Yes. Exactly. The three of them are looking at each other with their entire legions. So that leaves white scars, space wolves, maybe, and rogue. They also know that the space wolves were off of them in all nowhere. Fine. But the best case scenario, my point is that best case scenario of Space Wolf is there. So the best case scenario is the emperor and the emperor and the emperor and

three legions are sitting back on terror against Horace and every and all of the Traitor legions. It's an auto loose. It's an auto loose. Their assumption is Horace would have gotten home, would have gotten to Terra and has just defeated the emperor at this point. Which and but the three of them

possess the largest force in the galaxy because what they do realize, because you know, these are as much as I blow up Gillen for being smart, sanguineous and the lion are also light years good generals, and they can do the math pretty quickly of, yeah, Horace probably got to Terra. Yeah, Horace probably won the battle. But

Horace probably took some catastrophic losses getting there. We took no losses. So how about we go and beat the ever-living at a Horace? Like, oh my God, let's go

do this, because they don't know about the demon thing, obviously. They're not aware of, like, although you think Sanguinius might have, given what just happened to him. Side note. But this is the plan. And I love this story, because obviously I'm a Gilliman fan.

I was just about to say, just because he can talk a little shit to the lion, basically. Because the story's funny. Come on. Because they get there. The three of them get together. And Gilliman rolls out his

300-point PowerPoint about here's what we're going to do. We're going to make a new Imperium. Yeah, we're going to start. We're going to use Ultramar. We'll be the base because, look, we're already here.

We'll make a new, empire will spread out from here, we'll reconquer the galaxy, we're going to beat the crap out of Horace, we're going to kill all the traders, and we're going to follow through and what the emperor originally wanted. We'll rebuild it back up from what it was, yeah, it's a setback, but we got this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the lion

just gets all up and he goes, oh, and I assume you're going to be the new emperor because you know, blah, blah, blah, gilliman, and you know what? No, it'll be sanguineous. And the lion looks at him, go. I do love the lions, because he wanted to be bad about it, because he's like, this is why you want it all along to supplant the upper. And then he goes, yeah, it's going to be

sanguiteous. And you walk and you look at the angel floating and you're like, oh, yeah, that's probably, yeah, fair enough. We're probably going to put him on a lot of the money, right? Yeah, sure. The lion's response is, I have no notes. Yeah. Okay, fair. Well, that's a good choice. Well, okay. So back to the PowerPoint, what was step two? Because a step one, we're in. We'll be right back after a quick break. But meanwhile, Conrad decides to beat Conrad. So Conrad sneaks on to McCrag, and he decides to do full Anarchy Burger, hold the government, and breaks out. And I can't figure out how he does this, by the way, because they say he leads a rebellion on McCrag.

And, like, this is the least charismatic prime arc by a mile. On the most murder and blackmail going on. Right, but on the most prosperous planet, in the most prosperous system in the Imperium. If you want to rank out where you wanted to live in the Imperium at this stage in imperial history, it might have been McCrack. And he's like, oh, yeah, I led a revolution in McCrack. No, you didn't.

Just full stop. No, you didn't. They would have been like, we're going to revolt against Gilliman, the whole of McCrack. Yeah, yeah. No. Too much talky-talkie about this from John. Let's talk about the fact that the Knight Hunter leads both G-Man and the lion on a wild goose chase of him popping all over the place, causing shit with them right behind him and him doing backflips to get away. And then he leads him to a trap.

I got to grease up the Arabis mustache real quick. Yeah. And he basically leads them into the chapel, the fortress, the chapel. Yeah, and then collapses it on them. Well, it just explodes it. It wasn't just collapsed him. They had, if they didn't get teleported out, they were just going to die. He basically imploded the whole thing.

He basically set off a fusion reactor with the bombs on top of them. And then he gets weird, though. Then he goes after, so he thinks he's, killed Gilliman in the line. By the way, does classic superhero or super villainy, doesn't check. Just goes, oh, yeah. Well, he doesn't check and then he goes, what should

be the first thing instead of checking? Oh, let me go his, let me go talk to G-Man's foster mom just to talk about killing. Yeah, who's randomly guarded by a bunch of space wolves. I never knew why, but he does kill all them and then starts talking crap to her, at which point she just

starts talking crap back to him. Hold on before you get there, because you skip the shit over it because she didn't want to talk about it. Remember the time that both the lion and Gilliman were fighting solo Conrad to a draw? Well, fine, because he was running away from them. I'll give Conrad credit. He can run away really well. I'm just saying somebody was dueling around and not getting...

Like I said, I've never been able to figure out GW writing when it comes to Primark fights. It makes no sense. But whatever. Anyway, I did like though, yeah. He goes and meets Gilman's, like, foster mom and then complains about not having a mother himself. But it's, again... By the way, like a long diatribe about this. It's a lot.

It's like, Conrad, you were on a planet. You could have made friends. You chose to murder everybody. Like, it wasn't like... Angron didn't have a lot of choices. He was kidnapped and thrown in a fighter. and he still made friends with the other people in the fighter pit. Conrad was wandering around a city and went,

I'll just start killing people. And later it was like, no one would be my friend. Yeah, man. Kind of a dick. So anyway. So eventually, you know, Conrad became enough of annoyance for the lion that the lion goes,

hey, I have an idea. We know where Conrad is, right? And Gilliman goes, yeah, we do. Crazy Vulcan. Well, what? Oh, fine. They do find bacon.

No. Vulcan literally shows up. It starts rage smashing on Conrad. That's not on car. He starts rage smashing because Conrad's nearby. I forgot about it. He's like a divining rod for Conrad. He's just walking in a straight line towards wherever he is.

Yeah. Like wherever kind of just like this is this is the time when when Vulcans still totally nuts but they eventually yeah i forgot so this is for back to last cas this is when vulcan has now reformed after burning up in the atmosphere fun phone call by the gilliman gets oh hey by the way vulcan's also here and they're like well how did he get here we we don't know but he's here um and he's really messed up like oh he's beat up no his brain brain no goody brand bad he's got brand bad he's got brand headbrain going on. Oh, yeah.

He's had all of the strokes. But he's really upset about something. What's that? Conrad. And he's looking for him. So Vulcan's just raging through McCragg and eventually they get the head to like Samucus. Grammaticus.

Yeah. I always want to say this. So I can always say instead of grammaticus, I can say John Irenaecus from Baldur's Gate too. But yeah, he basically stabs him with a, uh, uh, Fulgarine. Yeah, with Fulgrite, the idea is to remove Vulcan's ability to be a perpetual, which doesn't work. Work at all. Yeah, but it does remove Gramaticus's, it's a whole thing. We covered it.

Yeah, we covered it on the problem is the issue is it's newer lore, so it's a little bit wonky. Grammaticus is a newer element to the 40K lore series, and we're going to have to do a whole cast on Gramaticus because it's interesting. I do like where they went with it, but it was wedged in a little bit, if I'm being honest. This is also like a tiny spot of the story. They basically go, hey, Vulcan's doing nutty shit. Grammaticus shows up and stabs them and both basically everybody. I have to need to check the books. It's possible that was added after these books were written.

Yeah. I have to check. Because Conrad attacks Gramaticus and then he basically does a smoke bomb. What I'm wondering is I'm actually trying to figure out the order of those books may have come out. That book with Gramaticus may have come out after the night out books. Because what happens is this because he's, He's talking shit to his mom. And then Vulcan shows up and goes buck wild.

Grammaticus gets rid of Vulcan. And then Vulcan's like, I want the Folgarite. Sorry, Conrad wants the Folgarite. And then they banish him to the warp. The dude with him. And Conrad thinks he's gone for weeks and weeks and weeks, but it's just like moments. But he actually comes back in the Capitol.

Yeah. And at that point, this is one of my favorite. Now it's more my favorite parts of the whole thing. Because again, I find conversations between the lion and Gilliman always hilarious. I'm glad we're getting some new ones coming up because Conrad is in the capital. The next thing coming on. Yeah. Causing problems. And Gilliman goes to the, and the lion goes to Gilman. Hey, we know where Conrad is, right? Gilman goes, yeah. And the lion goes, he's kind of a pain in the ass to capture, right?

Gillum and he goes, yeah. And Lion goes, I got a great idea. what do you say we just bomb the hell out of the general vicinity that he's in and that he'll kill him of his which gilliman says that general vicinity is the capital of mccraig and the lion goes yeah and gillen has to go not cool man not cool so the lion goes fine and grabs his dread wing and sends them down to flush conrad out And then, this next scene. All right. I don't know why GW loves to perform IP violation, but they do.

This next scene is a rip off of Demolition Man, Batman versus Superman, aliens, Star Wars, and a bunch of other movies all at the same time. So Conrad is leading an attack in the city, around the city, and as the main building is burning, that's when the lion appears, and they fight each other inside of a collapsing burning structure. Because, of course, they do. This time, and there's all the pieces, back and forth fight, and bad guy monologue. The lion gives the Obi-1 Kenobi of how could you, Anakin, to which, you know, Conrad replies, He says, why return the emperor? And the comrade goes, why not?

I don't, you know, whatever. And basically says he's accepted that he's a monster. He was made to be a monster. He's just being the monster that he's supposed to be. And the lion goes, all right, fine, fair enough. grabs him, doesn't get his throat slit this time, pulls his power pack off. I don't know why. Because it's a weird order of operation.

They had to give him the 11-figured death punch, dude. Well, the thing's, right, but my point is, the 11-figure death punch works with or without the power pack. That's more my, that's more my thing. Like, he rips the power pack off, like, oh, he took his power pack off, and then breaks his back over his knee. Power pack or no power pack.

That second part's the key part there. Also, what's what about GW and breaking up? He was backs over knees. Sometimes you get a bane a guy. It just, it comes up a lot. Like, not a lot, but it's like the nickel. thing. If I'd have two nickels, which is not a lot, but still. So he then drags paralyzed Conrad back to Gilliman and Sanguarius.

With Conrad back, the Primark's, this part gets weird. So first, they interrogate him. I'll say it gets weird because Conrad decides to go full. He put all of his points into talking right here. Yeah. He does a really good job of being a dick. basically. I mean, he just... Oh, yeah. He's just trying to stir up shit. Yeah, his whole purpose is just to be a pain of the butt.

And he goes back into this whole thing of like, I am who I am. The emperor made me this way. Therefore, everything I've ever done in the history of my entire being is because it's what the emperor wanted, which is again, I mentioned this last time, Calvinism. So I need...

If someone at GW listens to this cast, please just message. message me, said it privately, who there has the master's degree in religion? I know one of you has it because you go, you hit Calvinism, you hit baptism, you hit a lot of Protestant beliefs really well, really specifically to certain structures on a lot of your prime marks at a level that's just too eloquent. And I need to know who's doing this because I'm very impressed. So just saying it for the record. I'm very impressed. But as Conrad's screwing with them, he starts to, he decides to kind of get the turn on each other. And he convinces Gilliman that the lion actually did bomb McCragg.

And killing, obviously, civilians. And he talks a shit ton of it. He took say he wilded him on a shit to Sanguineas also. Yeah. The lion then freaks out and goes to go stab Conrad. Sanguineas steps in the middle and says you can't kill him, which is ironic because what's going to happen next. And then Gilliman grabs the lion sort and breaks it over his leg, at which point, the lion decides to take his ball and go home, grabs his legion. I love that. That's what he does. He's like, all right, well, screw you guys. And he leaves. And Conrad has successfully broken up the triumph for it, sort of, but not really, because we'll get to more that in a second. Sanguineas then grabs Conrad to go.

executed because remember Conrad did kill a ton of people. He's led horrific actions killing trillions of citizens. He killed a bunch of dark angels. He led a revolution of McCraig. He tried to kill the lion a bunch of times. So yeah, death penalty almost successfully killed the lion and G, man. Remember, they had to get teleported to Paris. Hmm? Yeah, so I mean, we're pretty much on like, yeah, death penalty here is probably a go. But, As Sanguinius is about to kill Conrad, the lion teleports in. There's a whole story there, but it's not really important. The lion's able to find the way he teleports in and goes, hey, hold on.

And he goes, and this whole bit is again funny to me. He goes, it's not that Conrad doesn't deserve to die, but, because he does, Conrad's a precog. And he's completely sure that the emperor, that Conrad would die at the hands of an assassin sent by the emperor. Let's back this up a little bit because of the fact that he's basically, telling him that because that's why a lot of people say that Conrad never fell to chaos. He was just against the Imperium because he says his dad, all of this doesn't work. He's against you. He's using you. He's making you do these things. And he goes, to confirm that, I am going to

die at the hands of an assassin sent by the emperor. And that's one of the things he's pointing out. And he also talks about the fact that he's seen sanguinius's death on Horace's. ship and tells all these guys this and the lion realizes that wait a minute he's so sure that the emperor is going to kill him that means the emperor is just not dead yeah well and this is well that's part one of the story that parts okay that makes sense part two or this is the funnier part at that moment sanguinius goes oh yeah i am also a precog yeah and i also have a fate Yeah, I've also been saying this.

Yeah, where my fate is that I will die next to the emperor protecting him. And that hasn't happened yet either. So, hey, the emperor must be alive. Freaking idiots. And so all of a sudden, everyone is on team. We can see the future and the fates are real. So they decide not to kill Conrad and then awkwardly realized they just did a coup. They have that little moment of like, oh, yeah.

But let's all, so then they go, you know, Captain Pullman. planet style. Let's all go to Terra. Hooray. And they, but they have to bring Conrad with them because of two reasons. One, you cannot leave him behind. He will do horrible things. And B, they want to kind of use his pre-cog powers. Like, I don't know. So like Rosetta Stone, I can't figure out the concept. But they bring Conrad along. And the three loyalists, though, have a problem. They get on the ships. And like, we're going to go to Terra. And they can't see Terra. So that's not going to work. but thanks to sanguineus they can see daven which is the place that horace went to get corrupted so they go all right we're going there and sanguineus because sanguine had a vision to take them there

and they get to daven which is a this whole thing on daven i just don't like this story very much because it's just really convoluted and incredibly complicated but in effect sanguineas goes full they get to Daven, the planet is chaos corrupted, and Sanguinus decides, I have to go down to the surface of Daven to figure out what's going on, and I have to bring Conrad with me. And the Dark Angel is like, no, you don't. And Sanguinus goes full Professor Xavier and goes on the Dark Angels ship and uses his mind bullets to incapacitate a bunch of Dark Angels, and then takes Conrad down to the planet. Conrad by was laughing his ass off the whole time. Like, he look at me and my superpower.

then the line gets up that and bombards them but doesn't kill anybody, whatever. It's not important for this, but the whole thing on Davin gets real ugly because it is. It's Davins very, we'll go with Warpy. It's a little warp infused as a plan. It's a little warp infused? Little warp infused. I would say that it's 50% family packed warp infused. Yeah, it's not ideal.

And demons come out, a whole big thing. Sanguinius gets pulled into the warp. the lion and Gilliman have to save him. Conrad out of nowhere goes to help and decides to go loyalist for a period of time. It helps them out. Everybody loves sanguineas. Just accept that.

It's fine. But what does happen, the most important part about this is because thanks to Conrad's help, and that's the key part here. They do rescue sanguineas. There's an assault comes in from other chaos space marines, but this creates a gap in the ruin storm. And they can see terror.

but it's a narrow gap. And so they all look at Sanguio, say, you go. We're going to hold. And so sanguarius grabs Conrad at the last second. And they all had back. It snatches him. Yep. Yeah.

Well, this is a big deal for Conrad at the time. And I think that this was, this is, he's had so many points where he could have done the right thing. And he does wildly the wrong thing again because he's being shown right here because he doesn't see any of the things that are going. He's never foreseen some of these things. Yeah. It should be a point where he could say that I could change the future. What I'm seeing isn't exactly what could happen. But he does not.

You know what I mean? And he does do the right thing. He helps sanguinez out. And then he immediately kind of goes despair mode and full emo for a bit because of the fact that he doesn't know what to do. Well, he also says, hey, man, remember because we talked about this and the last cast. which is he's doing a lot of this monstrous stuff in his mind because he's foreseen that he becomes a terrible monster. And now he's got the whole hold on. Maybe I didn't have to be a monster.

He never did. He never did. Yes. Which is true. But he's still a horrible monster and deserves horribly. I'm not saying that he's not. I'm just saying that this is where he is in his headspace right now. He's got the realization that, hey, maybe I wasn't forced and predestined to be this horrible thing.

I just am. I chose to be this horrible thing. And then he has to deal with that fact of, oh, I'm just awful. I wasn't forced to be awful. I wasn't destined to be awful. I just am. He has that look at the beer of like,

oh, this is all my fault. And then he loses that a little bit later. Don't worry about it. He stays with that for about 10 seconds. And it goes, this is definitely not much. I do like that while they're blasting back to Terra, sanguinius grabs Conrad and walks over to an escape pod and shoves a minute and goes,

look, man, your fate's your fate. Good luck. He puts him in a stasis pod. Yeah. And it just launches him out like of, yeah. You're like, hey, man, I'm going to make, no one will ever probably pick you up or someone will and it'll definitely come back to haunt them. Screw you, sanguidias. You could have killed him right there.

Yeah. The people aboard that ship are going to be real bombed. Oh, yeah. We'll get to what happens. This is not ideal for a very certain salvage vessel. But he just, San Guineas is, it's kind of cool what he says. He basically says, look, Conrad, you believe that your fate is fixed? Let's find out.

Here you go. I'm casting you out and we'll let the fates do what they will. I got stuff. Basically, I got shit to do. I have time to watch you. So now, with all this going on, there are some nightlords left. And the funny story about this is there. are night lords who take part in the invasion of terror.

And this is actually what I get kick out of it is like, they're actually not that bad compared to the emperor's children. They do some stuff. You can bear those and you went, what they're doing, luxury compared to what the emperor's children did. Yeah, they actually, they're actually fighting against the space marines there. The emperor's children where the ones are like this place. They're at the gap, maybe. Yeah, it's totally undefended. All right, cool.

I mean, I am sure there are some nightloons who are like, where we're absolutely. Cromby and Fitch like, all right, well, those guys got the gap, but we're going to have a crombian fish. I'm still got, I'm gotten a couple, like, right? This will still be fun. But at the end of the heresy, though, this is what more matters. End of the heresy,

almost all of the traitors go back to the eye of terror. Except for the night lords. Nightlords have no loyalty to any cast. Well, there's nowhere to go. They go with what I call plan E

for Eastern Fringe. Well, they also just never, they currently don't have a leader, and they also never accepted any particular god. They have no patron. Well, yeah, and the eye of terror actually would in theory be bad for that. If they were to go into the eye of terror, there's no value. It's a realm of gods who hold nothing for them. They have no loyalty to. They would actually lose power, in effect, by going in there.

So instead, they just go to the very edge of the galaxy, which, you know, is ironic for the tower. Fun story there. The tower would be eventually. It's actually before the tower even there. Just to kill and torture. We're like, we're going to go out here. They basically went on vacation.

That's how I would look at it. They were like, look, it's been a long, it's been a long fight. A murder hobo vacation? Yeah. Well, that's what it was. It had a long, long couple years of work here. It's been a big one. You know what?

We're going to go on an all-inclusive. We're going out to the Eastern Fringe that just do our thing. And they get out there and just, began their little campaign of terror, raiding planet systems, not for supplies, just to harm people. And they're out there for a bit until they eventually meet an old friend. But it takes a while to get there. Conrad and his dumb stasis pot of doom. Now, this is where the book starts. And Conrad occurs, the Knight Hunter. And it's told in a wildly nonlinear path. And I want to say this of people before they, because I say it's one of my favorites, but it's also told in a wildly

nonlinear fashion. So you have to get started reading into it, but it's a good read. Yeah. So there's a salvage ship, because this is a rip-off of alien, deep rising, and kind of Deep Star 6. You've seen any those movies? This is what is a pull from. Salvage ship is moving around and sees a stasis pod and decides to go salvage said stasis pod. Not a good move. So they open a stasis pod. They were so excited that they were going to get so much money for him. And then things did not work out for them. Yeah. So he wakes up out of his stasis and enters the ship and proceeds not to kill everyone. He does. But to do it piece by piece, pure horror movie style. And leaves each

one for the others to find before they will do something to the next one. And he kills them in bad, bad ways. Yeah, he was in a bad temper. Yeah. Like, they find a lot of the people and you're like, I don't even know how this is even possible to have that. Yeah, it's bad. But there are two key parts of this ship though. The ship's called by the Sheldron. Part number one is that one of the crew members was an imperial assassin because at some point, Malkador and the Emperor had issued an order to the entire Caledus temple to go find and kill Conrad, the entire temple. So they had spread throughout the entire galaxy looking for him. And so one of the crew members was a Caledus assassin. And when they came upon him,

they had sent a note back saying, I found him. They don't survive, by the way. This Caledicassan very much so dies. Like epically, by the way. Yeah, not, doesn't go well. But now the Caledus temple is aware of Conrad's existence, and they know the name of the ship that Conrad's on,

which means they can track the ship. Part number one. Part number two, Conrad does leave one crew member alive, named Elver. That's right. And it basically was Conrad doesn't feel like flying the ship himself. So he goes, all right, you, you're going to fly the ship. Makes him listen to him.

Four years. Yeah, and this dude spends, is it four years or six years? I think it's four on it. It's something like that because the ship doesn't have a warp drive. So this poor dude has to sit there. Yeah, it is four years and spends four years listening to Conrad wine. about how unfair the universe is to him. Well, here's a big thing on this is because, well, spoiler,

as soon as they get to their destination, he's like, thanks for listening to me. Hey, guys, smoke of this dude. Oh, yeah, this is 100% one of those things. That dude knows all of my deep, dark secrets. Yeah, well, the one of the reasons, because he said shit to other people and just did not care. The problem is that he explained to Elver

that he had doubts in his visions. Before he said, remember, we were talking about how until the sanguineus incident, he had firm 100% belief, this is my future, I've seen it, I can't do anything about it, I'm just embracing all these things that are going to happen to me. And then he had that moment of doubt. And it stuck with him for this entire trip to their secret fortress. And he had told this dude all about it. And when they got there, he's like, well, thanks for listening to my stories.

Put this dude in the airlock and launch him somewhere. Yeah. Now, Conrad gets the Eastern Fring. The thing of the Eastern Fringe is Sagualsa, which is actually the world where he had the lion meet him, was secretly a Nightlord base. Because, again, scanners don't work. So Nightlords were able to build an entire base somewhere. And they built this giant, I don't know, center there.

And from this center, Conrad gets there, puts out the call, all the nightlords can meet him. And they launch a genocide campaign on the eastern fringe. I think that he's trying to make sure that the Imperium knows. He's trying to, again, self-fulfill his prophecy. Let's him say it. This is horrifying what happened. He turns it to 11, spinal tap style. Oh, yeah.

And wants everyone to know that he's, because right before, before he got there, the night lords were doing all this shit. they were doing and in hit and runs, making sure people didn't know where they were going back to. No. This is a campaign. It wants people to know that he's there. This is a campaign of horror. And again, we're not talking, we're not talking like dark angels when they were the

first legion, like wiping out stuff. This is scary, like real bad stuff. They are basically bathing in blood, for lack of a better phrase. And again, they had half of the nightlights we were talking about, you know, like Savitar and the group that just didn't. Everybody just wants nothing to do with the Knight Hunter now. He's just obviously he's

completely went off the reservation. Oh, he's lost his mind. At this point his whole like four years talking to Elvers where he has doubts, those went out the window. He gets here and just becomes a monster. Monster upon monster. And I think you may be like, you know,

death by cop, like suicide by cop style. I 100% believe that he, because he all those doubts. And basically, again, he justified the fact that he was a monster by, I was made to be a monster, I was always going to be a monster, this is my destiny. And then he found his doubts. And then he's like, I'm going to force myself correct and say, my destiny was to be a monster. My destiny was to be killed by an assassin set by my father. And basically, he's making this happen so that he's not wrong. I mean, he sits in front of that effigy that he made of the

Emperor, which was Banana Town, by the way. It's part of the book. He shows people together. Yeah, he sows people together. And through the book, he has a talk with his father, air quotes, about how he wronged him and he shouldn't let him do this. And if he basically knew he was going to be monster, why wouldn't he have stopped him unless this is what he was

supposed to be and how it's not his fault? He's forcing his self-fulfilling prophecy. He is making this happen. because I think that he had a moment where he had the doubt with back when he went and saved Sanguinius that, hey, this is my fault.

You know what I mean? I really feel it doesn't make him less of a monster, but he has that self-realization and he doesn't like it. So he goes back, fully basically cannonballs into the pool of madness and just goes, nope, was not my fault.

See, it was always destiny. Yeah, well, let's get the end of Conrad. that. As we said before, the Caledus Temple knew where he was and they tracked the ship. They knew everything about him. And so one of the assassins does eventually get there, named

M-S-Hen, M-S-Han, whatever. And Rives on S-G-U-A-L-S-A-L. Screw you, screw you, G-W. Just going with the SAA. Nah, Sagualsa. And gets there,

and infiltrates the temple. Now, everyone... Are you going to give the air quotes, John? Come on. Influid... I was going to get there. Now, when we say infiltrates... When we say infiltrates the temple,

yes, she's a Calvus assassin. Yes, she's got all these things. But this is a primark who has spent his entire life knowing he will be murdered one day by an imperial assassin. Also, it's a psycher. Yeah.

Is a psycher. So yeah, he knew, not only that he know she was there, but we know that he knew she was there, because the last thing he says. Now, this is recorded, is he says to her, as she's like stalking him and getting closer, he says, your presence does not surprise me, assassin. I have known of you ever since your craft entered the eastern fringe. Why did I not have you killed? Because your mission and the act you are about to commit proves the truth of all I. I've ever said or done. I merely punish those who had wronged.

Just as your false emperor now seeks to punish me, death is nothing compared to vindication. This is what I'm saying. He's forcing this. Also, he could have a smoke show this assassin. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. There's no question.

No imperial assassin is equal to a primark. But now there's all, they've written this a few different ways, but there is a debate over when Emshin actually does kill Conrad because the only video evidence is Emshen leaping at Conrad. And then the video cuts. And the video cuts. But there's also the story later is that Conrad told his Legion,

I will be killed by an assassin. And he wanted, he told him, do not pursue the assassin after they kill me. And he wanted that because this is his destiny. He wanted his dead body going back to the emperor as proof. You have vindication. Yes. He wanted all this stuff. He wants to show, I was always right.

This is, you know, again, because I really feel that it goes into the fact that he wants to go, I could not have done anything less or anything different because it was destined. However, M. Shen cuts his head off. That much we know. But after cutting his head off, M. then also grabs some of the relics of the night lords, including some of Conrad's weapons. That sets off a few of the night lords, including Halos Valcoran.

She stole mercy and forgiveness. Yeah, not cool. So as she basically does these, she starts running out and ends up getting pursued, and then like the pursuit grows into more and more, until she's being pursued by the entirety of the Knight Lord Legion. She escapes for a period of time until she's eventually they catch up to her. And the one who does catch her is Talos Valcoran.

Talos was an apothecary in the Eighth Legion, and then that job was considered lame, so he just went over to being a terror troop because, you know, nothing's on. How did he kill her, though? He does kill her in a very fun way. First, he screams into her face, which stung her. and then he spits acid. It's one of the few stories we do get of a space marine spitting acid.

He does actually use the gland. He spits acid in her face, which melts her face, and then he rams her through with his chainsawar. But even doing this, Primark's still dead, and that has consequences. The death of Conrad, like most legions, is not great for the Legion. They don't get the psychic break that you see, although, to be fair,

the psychic break of a Legion only happened from what I'm aware of two times, where you had it with the Iron Hands and then the Blood Angels. I'm not aware of it other times, but other Primarks have died. So, yeah. Anyway, what you do get is the Legion breaks apart. The Night Lords become nothing more than war bands. They're bands. Yeah. And the funny part about this that I like, is they kill Mshend, and they'll go back to the Eastern Fringe, and they're having this grant, and they're like, whatever,

we'll just go back to the murder fight. What timing isn't ideal for this, though, because while they're doing the whole murder fight thing, back on Terra, all the prime marks are there now of the loyalists, well, not the dead one, but all the loyalist ones are there, and they have a discussion about what should we do,

and they decide we should go get some revenge. Gilliman's like, guys, I'll stay back and clean up the place. Go ahead. And they go tearing butt out into the galaxy to kick ass. And as they're doing all this butt kicking, all the traders eventually run into the eye of terror, where is the one place all the loyalists can't go,

except the night lords aren't in there. And they all go, oh, they're not in there. So one day, night lords are having the little party, you know, skinning some children alive because that's what they do. A party. Yeah. And out of children party.

Yeah. And out of nowhere, the, a giant, well, this is post the Codex of Star Days. So the ultramarines show up with all of their second founding chapters. They did it officially, but it's basically the ultramarines show up. It's like them in every single second founding chapter. So in effect, the entire end of the ultramarines show up and just put on the, ultimate of ass kicking in it. And the nightlords all have to run away.

And they just go, nope, noop, noop, noop, no, no, and bail. And this is actually the moment where the night lords do go into the eye of terror because they have nowhere to go. They are now, because they're on the eastern fringe, where else are you going? So they have to run and they're basically looking for, hey, where can we go? And someone sends a call like, just come over to the, come to the dark side. Like, all right, we'll go there. And this is actually a time where they beat pseudo-join chaos.

they never give themselves over to a chaos god never but this is the part where up until this moment they weren't part of like the demonic air quotes forces of chaos it was after this point they had no choice but to and so then they become you know whatever it is fun story though one of my favorite ones is osala the the planet they had it is once the ultramines get there They never said darkana. Whatever. Yeah, they didn't exterminate it. So many, many, many years later, M-41.

It's a little funny side story. A imperial-like colony ship got taken, like, whatever, off course because of a ruin storm, found the planet, didn't know, I guess, what it was. And we're like, oh, this planet's not that bad. And they settled it. Live there for 500 years until the night lords got back to what used to be their home planet, saw a bunch of imperial. citizenry there and went, yeah. Nope. You, bad call.

This is 100% goalie locks and the three bears, but a lot worse. But they're polar bears. Like, mm, bad thing. But let's close out with a little discussion about night lords post-death of Conrad, because this is actually important. So, as I said earlier, they become what I think of as the Star Scream of 40K. They're in a little bit of a little bit of, lot of stories. Yeah, but they're in a lot of other people's stories. The nightlords are

antagonists in a bunch of novels and a bunch of other people's, especially when you read the codexes, nightlords are a lot of the foils for all of this. And they're, they do some real work, though, because they're really... Oh, yeah. I mean, Abidon has everybody. There's a story for Abidon putting in every Legion, but they do a ton with Huron, for instance. Here at Lackard, and they're in a lot of people's stories. When somebody wants to harassed, heroically save the citizens. In the chaos, it's almost always the night lords. Yeah.

The night lords, they've got a ton of named characters. They're actually, it's funny, I think they're one of the most fleshed out chaos space marine chapters, who I believe will never get their own codex. It's just sucky because they should. No, they shouldn't. Because they couldn't. They're a weird chapter like that, because there's not

actually enough of them to give them their own chapter. Like, what unique units would you give them? Raptors, and the... then... I mean, they'd have to have different style of raptors and shit. But that's all it would be. It's, oh, look, another jump pack unit. They have their own...

They have a third jump pack unit. And a fourth jump pack unit. That's... But that's all my point is, like, they're not different enough, but they are in a lot of books. And they have some great stories of, you know, there's a story where they realized they could create their own warp beacons by capturing a bunch of astrophats and torturing them, like really badly torturing them. They would actually create false beacons in the warps.

They do this. And like hundreds of astrophats, they torture the hell out of them. And then a bunch of merchant vessels just translate in thinking, oh, cool, we're at our destination. And they translate in right in front of a bunch of night lord like warships and go, well, this is not ideal. Like that's, that's a night lord story. Or one of the really funny ones, not only funny but tragic, is this small flotilla sneaks out of the eye of terror and makes it all the way basically almost to tear it. There's a Scholar segment of solar, for sure.

Yeah, there's a Scola progenium that's 100 light years from terror, which is not far, by the way. And the Scola progenium, they sneak in and they kill everyone in it. So the Scholar progenium is where, like, all the orphans, because a lot of them go. This is where you make sisters of battle. It's where you make commissars. They all come out of this. And they go there, they kill them all, and they assemble their corpses in a way that turns into a chaos ritual. And they turn the Scola Progenium planet into a demon.

The game in the world. Yep. And then bail back out. Imperium, by the way, didn't think that was cool. But that's the kind of stuff that they do. One of my favorite things is the fact that the night lords, just like their prime art, have the ability to piss people off so much that they actually make them shirk their duties. Oh, Dark Angels and Howling Griffins.

They're both abandoned campaigns in Cadia to go hunt down the night lords because they were like, no. They all died today. Sicky your shit, basically. Yeah. Another funny one was they worked with the Alpha Legion. This was a classic one. There was an Ork Waugh attacking Imperial citizens. So them and the Alpha Legion disguised themselves.

They beat back the orcs. The imperial citizens were like, thank you, our saviors, opened their doors and turned off the defenses. And then discovered it was Nightlords. They're just like, you guys are dicks. Also, your plans are so convoluted. Why are we doing this? The unfortunate part that I'll close on with Nightlords is with, because of some of the problems of seventh and eighth edition 40K, nightlords kind of suck to play on the tabletop. And I say that because Nightlords are meant to be played as a war band.

They're meant to be an ancillary piece of your forces when you're playing chaos. It's also the problem is right now their entire things based on battle. Shocking people and battle shocks a bad mechanic. Right. But what I'm saying, like, the truth is, if you think about how nightlords would interact, the way that 40K is played in the tabletop, a 2,000 point armies, yes, it's small, but it's really meant to represent a large force. It's kind of how we think of it. The nightlords don't fight like that.

The nightlords would meant to be, you should just have Nightlord Raptors should be part of your chaos-based force. You know what Nightlords play really well in? Nightlords play really well in Kill team. Killed team, exactly. Oh, 100%. And so unfortunately, as much as the nightlords are kind of cool, they don't play well in the tabletop because they're just not meant for that. They're meant to be ancillary force.

You're supposed to have your black agent. They're going to be mad at you for this. They can be mad at. They're not because they're going to agree with me because they're going to sit there and say, yeah, you know, it was better. Playing nightlights on that. Well, they do, but they're going to agree with me that, yeah, it was better playing nightlords when I could bring nightlords and because they were awesome as nightlords and. Nightlords, a fast attack sneaking night lord. It's the same thing, but the Army we're covering next week, so I have the exact same situation.

They were better as an and, as a solo every now and then they're good, but they're really good as an and force. So, just going out. But we will break. Next week, we're staying on the stealth theme, but we're going loyalist. We're going with someone who, where the Legion was all nightmare murder and killy and decided to stop being that. So we're going into Ravengard. Yay, loyalists. Shadabar.

O, Istvon 5. Ooh, Istvon 5. Baby Carcadons. So, Ravengard, I thought it's become a nice one-two combo because it is a nice comparison in that both, yeah, because both legions have a very similar origin story, but one of them decided no. And just simply put. One of us, however, one of us in their redemption arc is currently kind of a bad guy.

no he's not corks is he psycho in the warp right now who's he killing well he's killing bad guys there we go that's the thing corax this is the funny thing the first cast we talked about how on ostrogrom conrad was kind of like the punisher or you know whatever or batman corax 100% is the Punisher right now. Or maybe actually, he's more spawned is what he is in the work. Sorry. It's awesome. He's 100% of demon primark right now.

But a good demon primark. Fully warp infused. I'm not saying he's bad. I'm just saying he is. But my point is he is in the warp. It's him and Drago, right? It's a great night one. It's him and Drago are wandering the warp, just slaughtering demons.

Calling it out. It's kind of cool. Drago's doing it because he's beast. mode in Corex is impossible to detect now. Yeah. Corax is awesome now. Corax is like perma invisible just showing up places. Yeah.

Corax is Corex and sanguinea so the only two prime arcs they cannot bring back because there's no rule set you could give them. No. He would have loan up one inch. Yeah. Corax cannot be fought. Yeah. Like, what do you mean?

So does he get to attack? Yeah. So he's a vortex mine. Yeah, basically. That moves 60. Yeah. This seems unfair. Yeah. It kind of sucks. Me. But anyway, so that'll be next week. We'll start on them. One, maybe two to three casts. I never know until I write them. So until then, John Barcati, Bradchester. The guy. See you guys then.