The 40k Lorecast - Episode 141 - Raven Guard pt 3 - Isstvan 5 and the legions rebirth.

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

On today’s cast we conclude our coverage of the Raven Guard. Opening up with the events of Isstvan 5 and the almost destruction of the Legion. From there we follow Corax as he goes back to terra t...o get the original gene seed of his legion (unknowingly brining a bunch of Alpha Legion along). And then the events over the course of the rest of the Horus Heresy. Next we talk about Corax in the warp and the nightmare he has turned into for the traitors. We then close out with the more recent Raven Guard lore of Shrike and Shaan. PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallBrad ChannelOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out BetterHelp and use my code betterhelp.com for a great deal: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Hims and use my code hims.com/40KLORE for a great deal: https://www.hims.com* Check out Pebl and use my code hipebl.ai for a great deal: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Progressive: https://www.progressive.com* Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/40klore for a great deal: https://www.quince.com* Check out Shopify and use my code shopify.com/lore for a great deal: https://www.shopify.comAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Me, John Barcotti and Bradchester. The sky. Today we'll be concluding our coverage of Ravengard with the events of the heresy right after Corex trying to rebuild a legion that eventually Corex decided to go demon hunting. And then a little bit of coverage of them kind of post because they did take about 7,000 years off in the lore.
Starting point is 00:00:44 You're not wrong. I'm not wrong. They do have a decent amount of current lore, which is kind of fun. Yeah. We'll get to earlier, but it's funny. It's like M33, 34, 35, 36, just nothing. There's like a couple. I think they were part of the War of the Beast in one battle.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Hold on, hold on. You don't want to pull a hammy, bro. You got to stretch out. You got to get ready. You got to warm up. You got to do some sets. You got to be ready. Sometimes that takes 7,000 years.
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Starting point is 00:03:03 Boring. Is it? Because, you know, unfortunately, we're after 2009. Because if it was pre-2009, it would have been 127 corona. Yeah, that's right. because Bratislava named after Braslav, who wanted a legacy while running Slovak in the 9th century, sort of. Because then the Germans called it Presbyr, anyway, and Posnoi and Presbyarak. But then in 1919, it switched back to Bratislava.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Why did that happen in 191919, you ask? Read a book. Anyway. Read. Read a book. Read a book. Any book. It'll be pretty clear pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:03:41 All right. Bratislava. It's actually a really cool place for vacationers. It is lower cost as opposed to London or Paris, but actually more so. It's quite cheap. But it's super fun. First off, the Slovaks are very friendly and very welcoming. And they have really good food that's extra filling.
Starting point is 00:03:57 So you have like, Haluski is something I do like. It's kind of like a parochie mix. Then you have the two of my real favorites, Smazenizer, which is fried cheese. You can never go wrong with fried cheese, unless you have Brad's GI tract in which you probably can get wrong with fried cheese. Yeah, man. So much. Yeah, but the end is almost worth the out. No.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Obviously, have this stuff. It's a breaded fried cheese. Actually, that's a double for you, isn't it? But either way. I will die. Yeah. And then the Loxa, which is just really good street food and fantastic. You also have really good stuff for sweet teeth, like Siski or chocolate patain, which I like a lot.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Trindaleck is like the cone-shaped thing. I'm not a huge fan of it, but a lot of people are. But if you want to go there to kind of drink, yeah, Slovakia has decided that they want to be good at this. You can go light with their ciders, and their ciders date back to like the invention of cider. And then you also have, what is it, Borovikek, which I actually do have upstairs, which is kind of like a brandy. Or you want to go harder. So you have Slolovakia and Tratanea. I think one of those is 52% alcohol.
Starting point is 00:05:12 The other two is 74% alcohol. So do not consume near open flame. So all I'm thinking is let's do this. Yeah, it's great. Slovakia is super fun. And if you're like classic TV, Miami Vice, number one new hit show. I'm going nowhere near Berlin. No way near Berlin.
Starting point is 00:05:36 I stabbed a man in Berlin. All right. But with that, last link is always our Discord. I was going to close out with our Discord because it is a great place to interact with us and others. We've got a lot going on in it right now, especially in the lead-up to 11th edition. This episode, I think is releasing right about close to the end of May, early June. So we're going to be right on it. If you guys want to play the game, come in there. There's a lot of stuff we're doing around it for everybody. Brad's got his Friday night fights. You can kind of watch people play the game. Be a great way for us to be educating. And additionally, the So we're really pushing the Discord as a way to interact with us and other people, questions, advice, all this stuff is turning into a really beautiful forum. And first, big shout out to our mods for digging care of that. They've done a really good job of cultivating something there that makes this thing genuinely special. But also shout out to all the members who are the mods can only do so much. It's only the members who make a community.
Starting point is 00:06:31 So big thank you to everyone who's already joined the Discord. Big thank you to everyone who's in the Discord. as I've said before and we'll continue to say, I don't charge the Discord. We make $0 off the Discord. This thing exists only to have as a community. And the way that you all behave in there and the way you interact with each other
Starting point is 00:06:50 really is remarkable. And I cannot thank you enough for it. So, boom. With that, it's going to do a bad day for quote. Istvon 3. Horace showed he was a traitor. Him and Mortarian and Angron killed half their legions and a lot of the planet. then a call goes out for, hey, who wants to kick some traitor ass?
Starting point is 00:07:11 Corax and the Ravenguard were quick to respond. Because Korax both hated the traitors and he was the one that liberated Istvon. So he's kind of got a dog in the fight. He's joined by Vulcan and Ferris Manus, which made sense. I guess Folgram kind of made sense to these guys. But then Conrad and Lorgar, no one should have invited those two. Again, Folgram's the one I could see sneaking in. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:36 I can't believe Conrad stab me in the back. Well, he's holding a knife that says backstab knife. Come on, guys. For Korax, when the betrayal occurs, he's stuck in the open, which is not ideal for a stealth faction. They were literally just moving back to get to reinforced or resupplied when everyone's shut at them while they're right next to Ergal depression. Well, first front of... Hold, please.
Starting point is 00:08:05 because you say it like, oh no, the Ravenguard were stuck in the open, and then a firefight showed up and they didn't really have anywhere to take cover. No, they were stuck in the open when nuclear bombs started launching down. Yeah, about 75,000,000 Ravengard die in this first attack. So again, stealth Legion in open, bad. Also, their stealthy to nuclear bomb from orbit, turns out not that stealthy. No, try to hide. Yeah, the dive, duck, dip, dodge, and dodge.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Five these dodge ball. Yeah, it doesn't really work as well against nuclear weapon. So Korax and Vulcan, though, did survive, and they were, they made to the Ergal Depression, which is, well, which sounds like something they would all have after the fact, but it's just a big hole. Also, well, they survived for 11 minutes and 18 seconds. will Corex survive longer, but continue. Yeah, so what happens is inside of this depression, Vulcan and Corex get into, not a fight, fight, fight, but an argument. And Vulcan's saying, look, let's just fight our way to the drop ships and then we'll get out of here.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And Korox goes, that's a terrible idea. Let's just run into the wilderness and hide. There's no way we can get there. And so they both have a disagreement. And Korax goes his way, and Vulcan does his thing. Corax was correct, by the way, because the second later, the Iron Warriors, see the drop ships just blow up all the drop ships and go, well, you're not using that one to get out. And then right afterwards, Corax runs into Lorgar, which is another one of those great
Starting point is 00:09:41 Lorgar stories where Lorgar decides, I'm going to go make a name for myself. I'm going to go beat up on people who've been fighting a nonstop battle for like 20 something. It wasn't 20, but a number of hours. They're heavily wounded. I'm going to go in there and prove myself and proceeds to get the shit beat out of him by Corex. Badly. Just absolutely. Actually, no that Lorgard also brought with him his version of possessed, yes.
Starting point is 00:10:07 The first possessed. So he's running out there. I've got these super soldiers. I am going to kill Corex. Corax, and genuinely exhausted Corex turns to it and goes, nope, kills every single possessed, at which point Lorgar gets mad and goes, now I'm going to beat up Corex. And Korax goes, nope, and almost kills Lorgaard. Yeah, I mean, he, in a laughable battle because he just,
Starting point is 00:10:31 dropped an RKO out of nowhere on him and just, the only reason he didn't completely smoke him is Conrad shows up. Yeah. As Corex is about to kill Lorgar, Conrad jumps at him. And Corex has to go, all right, fine, jetpack up and just shoots himself out of combat. Kind of wish he'd killed Lorgar. At the same time. Take your smoke bomb.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Exactly. At the same time, this is the moment where Vulcan takes the atom bomb to the fifth. the face, legitimately again, to the face. But he's not part of this story. We're talking Raven. Corex then actually does this weird thing. If they're saying, we shouldn't go back to our drop ships, flies himself to a drop ship and steals a Thunderhawk that he basically commissions.
Starting point is 00:11:16 And he also gets shot down like instantaneously. Instantly, yeah. It's the thing of because like they see it, hey, there's a Thunderhawk taking off. Unlike apparently coming down, that's how Conrad got on to, to, uh, look, man, we didn't see any life forms on this one. Yeah. Actually, it's the same with Flight of the Eisenstein. Basically, apparently none of the ships in orbit can shoot things leaving orbit and going down,
Starting point is 00:11:38 but coming up from orbit. Shoot it down all day long, maybe. No problems. The ship crashes. Korak survives, because, again, he's a prime mark. And then he uses his psychic powers to go find what remains of his legion. Because he told his legion, not run away. Yeah, run away.
Starting point is 00:11:58 And they'd all fled into the mountains. They do this kind of campaign in the mountains. I like this. This is fun, though, because the ninja assault. This story is good. Yeah, they ninja assault a huge amount of scouting parties and play a stick and move for a long time here. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:12:15 It's a matter how you want to read this story. I read the story in more of a funny sense, but not in a bad way, where exactly what Brad was saying, they're coming in there. And as these small bands of going to be cast, but traders, a search parties are going out. They're ambushing. them and killing them before they can even get a word out, right? Until eventually, Angron goes, you know, you can't ambush me and my entire Legion walking basically
Starting point is 00:12:39 shoulder to shoulder through a forest. I could only though imagine that Angrod's listening to this and going, so every one of you guys went like a bad horror movie and split up to find that they got to take it out. And he goes, so what if me and all of my berserker is just walking a straight line towards them? What are they going to do about it? ambush all of us? Like, well, I guess not. Cool. Plan B time. And so they do. The world leaders in Angron, along with the berserkers, they start searching and eventually they start chasing the Ravenguard. They figure kind of where they are. And they chase them and they chase them, they chase them,
Starting point is 00:13:14 up until there's basically, I can't remember if it's a cliff or a wall. Either they're about to fall in. Well, they told them that they chased them into a valley kind of deal. Yeah, the Ravenguard were out of places to go. That's all I know. And so they were stuck there. And as Angron and the berserkers went to charge in, out of the clouds above comes a ton of Prometheum and just artillery and just nonstop firepower, just blasting the ever-living hell out of his legion. Because a Ravenguard captain named Bran had flown there. Again, remember, like I said, you can come down from orbit and no one will see you, had flown all the way back from deliverance.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Yeah, to Istvon because he was having dreams, and he was having these psychic dreams of his legion in trouble, his legion of trouble, because he couldn't have gotten there that fast. Primark in trouble. Yep. So he comes in, gets down there, and Kourax, everyone jumps on the thunder. I think there's multiple Thunderhawks, and they get up to orbit. Now, as I said, you can sneak down, but sneaking up is a problem.
Starting point is 00:14:21 So they go to sneak up, and of course, the world leader's ship see them. However, all the Ravengar's, that Korax had found weren't all Ravenguard. A lot of them. By the way, it's the majority of them at this point in time. It might be. Because there's so few Ravengard left and all the active members are Alpha Legion because they suck into the Legion.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Yeah. This was planned ahead of time. So Al-Wa-Wa-At it's time. We're told by the cabal that the Ravenguard after the events of Istvon would come into possession of a critical asset. That's what they called it. They wouldn't tell them what it was. be a critical asset. So they knew this. So the Alpha Legion used their surgeons that changed the
Starting point is 00:15:04 appearance of a bunch of their, you know, legionnaires to look like Ravengard. And I guess I'll smell like Ravengard because Corex is a cyker. We cover this in Alpha Legion. It was so funny, though, because there's a couple of things that happened that are a big deal. Because for them to get out, they had to have Alpha Legion help, but also when Angron says, I'm going to smash these guys and all of a sudden Steve Bouchemy shows up and goes, hello, fellow primarks. It's me, Horace. Yeah, I did love this. Yeah. So as the ship's going away, because it's got a bunch of Alpha Legion on it and Grunachor's like, shoot that ship down and World Year's like, I'm going to shoot the ship down. And then on the
Starting point is 00:15:47 World Leader ship, Horace walks out and goes, hey, don't shoot that ship. And everyone goes, well, Horace says that. Also, why is it Horace here? Yeah. Yeah. But it was Omagon or Alfarious. We don't know. Either one. But it's still funny to be in the first place because not only was it not Horace, but also, why is Horace to even be here, man? He's on the wrong ship. And they're like, oh, what can the problem? He's like, I'll see you guys later. I was going to hit the spy. Take it easy, guys. Just don't shoot that specific ship. Remember that. I heard you guys had nice chili dogs over here. So I swung her for a cony dog. There we go.
Starting point is 00:16:24 The Midwest reference. I don't do enough of those. So anyway, Korax and his Legion, heavy air quotes on the Legion part there, Corax and his like 11 remaining friends, decide to go to Terra because they are all but destroyed. And also don't forget, all of their gene seed is still on Istavon 5 that had just been nuclear bombed. So they cannot rebuild their Legion. They do not have enough gene seed to do it. So Korak's idea is, I'm going to go ask Dad for help. And he gets to Tara and he finds a lot of resistance to his plan. namely Malkador and Rogel Dorn.
Starting point is 00:17:00 They're not against this plan. They just have stuff that they did. They wanted, yeah, that was to say. They were putting stuff in order. Also, this, I like it. They're giving a reason, but there is no reason whatsoever. He could have literally checked a box and moved on. Like, but.
Starting point is 00:17:14 This is fun. So I enjoy this bit too. So Korax is told, wait, your turn. But then Korox remembers this really important thing. He's the baby. So the baby always gets what it wants. So he uses his psychic powers to add. asked dad basically for a loan. And the emperor is super busy to defend him. He has,
Starting point is 00:17:34 because this is post-magnes breaking the webway product. So the emperor is fighting infinity demons. Yeah, I was to say infinity demons. He's just, and he's power in the Astromeda. Yeah. And he's being attacked by the gods of chaos, like psychically. All of them. And he's having to, yeah, and he's having to help in the rebuilding and preparing of terror for the coming invasion. But when the youngest calls, you answer the phone. Because he might need to borrow a Porsche. You let him borrow a. the Porsche. Corax explains, hey, this is what happened. We're all dead. Can you help me? And the emperor does a quick thing and goes, oh yeah. I forgot. I have a secret. I have a secret volcano base.
Starting point is 00:18:12 Yeah. But he also does. It's actually funny. There's two things. First, he says, by the way, here's what's really going on. He tells Korax about the truth about Horace, the truth about the heresy, and the forces of chaos. And then he goes, oh, by the way, that thing where I made all of you, it's still sitting over there. It's in the garage. I'm not that far off. When I said Volcano Base, it is a underground mountain base.
Starting point is 00:18:35 But it's booby trap just in case the wet bandits come to attack. I'm not really sure what the situation here is, but that's kind of how. That's so specific, by the way. It is, but it is. I mean, it is what they're called. Take it, though.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Take that image and now do the entire scene of him fighting through that. But instead, it's Kevin, it's Kevin McCarthy. McAllister, thank you very much. Sorry, it's been a while. So Korax asked, hey, can I borrow my dad's most prized possession? He goes, yeah, but only with supervision. So he sends Korax's Legion and custodes to the origin of the Primark product.
Starting point is 00:19:18 Jack, remember this includes Alpha Legion. I also assume that at some point in time, the emperor was looking for something and in Schollin his wallet. Oh, they could have put in the 1, 2, 3, 4 code. None of this would have happened. Yeah. Yeah. Over the course of this process, a lot of Legionnaires die.
Starting point is 00:19:37 I assume from like paint cans swinging down to the marbles in the floor. Maybe a red hot door door door to. It's a lot funny if you're thinking it that way. But the Ravengard succeed. And they're able to grab a sample of just their original gene seat. one else's. And then they abscond with this thing back to deliverance. They get back to deliverance and they take it in the first 500 aspirants they planted in. It's an incredible success because this gene seed is basically perfect. This is the purest version of it. And so it's great. These neophytes
Starting point is 00:20:16 are like the best. They're called the Raptors and they've joined the forces. They're basically super soldier. They're super, super soldiers. This is a, the time, we said this a bunch, we did the Alpha Legion cast, when you have to actually pause because the Alpha Legion struck and you have to go, you just helped us, you're just about to screw everything up. Whose side are you on? Well, the Alpha Legion seemed to be on side chaos. Like chaos and it's not chaos, but chaotic. It seems more like that. They don't want anyone to get chaotic neutral with the actual chart they roll on for their actions for the day. Yeah, because the Alphalegian infects this gene seed with a poison from the dark mechanicum to wreck the gene seed mutating them into beasts.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Again, they're trying to grow the chapter from a barbershop quartet to something, and they immediately ruin it. Yeah. And so what happens is anyone implanted with this gene seed turns into a monster, not all the way chaos spawned monster, but they've got like some guys have tentacles. There's a whole thing. Someone can't even hold bolters. They're a whole mess. pretty beat up, they're still a startis. However, they're still also
Starting point is 00:21:29 Ravengard. And Korax looks at them still as brethren, kind of like with sloth, you know? Sloth love chunk. Chunk love sloth. The truffle shuffle. All right, but Omagon, who also snuck in this
Starting point is 00:21:47 action, stole what was left of the pure gene seed, and was supposed to give it the Fabius Bile, but then he destroys or corrupts it then gives it the bile. Different story for a different time. We're not really sure what he's up to. The funny thing, though, is while he's trying to run away with this good gene seed,
Starting point is 00:22:05 he then turns to, for whatever reason, trying to destroy whatever's left of the Ravenguard gene seed, which would effectively end the Ravenguard. In doing so, he kills the lead apothecary, who's overseeing the product. And as that apothecary dies, that apothecary turns to those, we'll call them the sloth. Sloth Ravenguard, who are the monstrosity that says, hey, help us. And they do. These horrifyingly mutated Astardis charge in and the Alphalans have to retreat because they actually can't fight them because by accident they're actually more powerful than
Starting point is 00:22:39 regular Astardis. They're basically good possessed is what they are, for like a better phrase. For this action, though, Korax refuses to destroy the mutant ravengard. Cough, cough, cough for now. And he has them. Yeah. And he has them join the Raptors. And the idea is that these mutants are going to fight side by side with the super, super soldiers.
Starting point is 00:23:01 So the Raptors for this really period of time are kind of a goofy chapter. And we're going to deal with more of them later. But the more important part of the story, without this fresh gene seed, the Ravenguard cannot do what they want to do. And they're just rebuilding unbelievably slow, which is why they're kind of a non-factor on this. So yes and no. At the time. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:24 I mean, yes. Come on. They're not able to take part in any major actions, but we'll get to what they're going to do in a second. Because much like what happened with the salamanders and the iron, most iron hands was even harder. But they had to effectively harvest gene seed from Korax. I don't know. I assume it's like giving blood.
Starting point is 00:23:42 You can only do it every few weeks. So it takes them a while. So this is, their plan is now going to be, we're going to rebuild this Legion, but it's going to take millennia to do it. But Korax being more warp than a normal primark actually makes it even slower because the one thing we didn't mention the last cast, they had the highest attrition rate
Starting point is 00:24:03 in the gene seed implantation in the Ravengard. I think it's because he's too heavily warped. He's super warped. But also this in my in Brad theory or slash opinion period is about the time that Korax really starts to lean in his vengeance part. of his personality. It was before there's more justice, some vengeance.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Now he's just pissed. Yeah. Corax has decided that I have a small legion, but I can still affect change. And this is great. I know, sorry, but you just set it up on that. He's got a small legion, but he's got big Legion energy. Got it.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Yeah. Okay. There we go. Yeah. We're going to do the motion of the, ocean gripe. I was just sorry. You threw it out up there.
Starting point is 00:24:55 I'm like, I'm leaving it alone. Leaving it alone. I'm not even editing that out. All right. All right. So we're going with it. We'll be right back after a quick break. Summer routines live or die by how easy they are.
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Starting point is 00:25:56 Because his idea is, I can't help the Emperor and the forces of Terra, like, by standing next to them, but I can make the invasion by Horace less problematic. And there's a bunch of these that he does. One of them is the Dark Mechanicum Shipyard, Capel 5642A. I like this story. It's a nothing story. It's like two seconds, but it's cool. It's...
Starting point is 00:26:18 They built a shipyard. hidden in an asteroid belt, and it's producing cruisers for Fort Horace's fleet. Come on, give it the good part. They show up and do a 360 no scope. Yeah, so this thing is because it's so remote, it's not defended, and the Ravenguard are super stealthy. So they just come into the system,
Starting point is 00:26:37 completely undetected, arm all the torpedoes, fire them, and then translate out of... Immediately. They were actually out of the system before the first torpedo hit, and it blew up everything. So yeah, they did no look like Kobe and freaking just took it out. Cool as hell. Now, during the heresy, one thing I should point out is the GW writers, like that story
Starting point is 00:26:58 there is something that they did a lot, where they used the Ravenguard to tell background stories. Because the traders are up to a ton during the Horace heresy, and a lot of it is critical for the end, but not that interesting of a story. So in order to tell it, they usually have the Ravenguard or Corex being the protagonist in dealing with them. Another one, because that one was, well, hey, how did Horace get ships? It was simple. The Dark Mechanica built secret facilities where they were building them.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Everywhere. And every now and then, the Ravenguard would find one and kill one. Another one was Fabius Bile. So Fabius Bile was really invested during the heresy in kind of doing the Chaos Primark project, for lack of a better phrase. His goal was, it's why he wanted that pure gene seed. He wanted to make a new style of Legionaire that was bigger, stronger, faster than the existing Astardis.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And he's calling them Ligone Superior, which is a terrible name mechanic. Yeah, but they eventually became primarily, to be fair, this is just the Primaris Marine project. This is the primary. This is the primary project. I'm just going with like legionne superior. I know,
Starting point is 00:28:05 but it's just funny because they pick this up later and go, oh man, I can't believe where we found this. Yeah, it's I thought it up my call was like, I thought it up all myself. Yeah, I'm just saying They could have actually called it primary. It would have been better writing, by the way, to call it Primaris projects.
Starting point is 00:28:22 It would have been a lot funnier to be like, so to call it Fabius Biles Primark projects. Then later, you're like, well, wait, didn't. Isn't that what Call called it? Shut up. It's not important. So the thing about these new super, super soldiers is they actually were pretty good. Corax discovers this and goes, all right, I'm going to go kill Bile and kill these guys. This is, horse is not getting this.
Starting point is 00:28:45 and he gets there and the Legion is Superior actually capturing because there are super super soldiers are actually better than Primaris Marines from being honest. Yeah, I mean he had a juice up because he was trying to make primarge actually. I mean this I say this becomes the Primaris project but whatever. What happens is Korax is captured and he's saved by a guy
Starting point is 00:29:05 named Gerethi Arendi who we can probably cover later. Garrethi Orendi is kind of a sad story because he also survived the Istvon 5 massacre but he may have done it by sacrificing other loyalist Marines to keep himself alive. And so he's a cool character. We'll probably, we dive more of the Horace, he covered a bit more of him. But another thing, one of my favorite ones, I think, of all the things that Corex does is when he decides to help out Lehman Russ.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Been a while since we covered this. But for those who don't know or don't remember, Lehman Russ went on a punch that guy in the face. That's what on with that. Everyone supported this idea. He and his wolves attacked Horace and Lehman just jammed his spear into Horace. Then he barely escaped back into the void. And by barely escaped, I mean, he left. And Abidon and the sons of Horus did not take well what he did and were making it their personal mission to kill Russ and all the space wolves.
Starting point is 00:30:04 And so they're careening through space running away from them. Around the same time, Korax went full goth and was getting sullen. don't like this story. I'll be honest, but I like the later part of it. When he put in the Smiths and hit repeat. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to be a pawn anymore. Blah, blah, blah. I will show the fates by killing myself. I didn't care for the story. You know who also did that? Yeah. I just don't care for these stories where it's like, but whatever. That being said, he had this dude with him called a pre-factor, which is in the Imperial Army of the Therian cohort, the guy you mentioned last.
Starting point is 00:30:43 time the Imperial Guard who got assigned the worst duty possible. Because seriously, there's nothing. I thought it was, it's bad being a remembrancer with the space walls. Space walls. You have to run with no armor next to the dude who's running into gunfire. But this is actually worse because you're accompanying a stealth legion and you're not stealth. So every time that they do anything, everyone assumes it's you. And so they just get wrecked over and over again.
Starting point is 00:31:09 But this pre-factor named Marcus Valerius. again, sorry, this one drives me nuts because I think it's an homage to Publisius-Lensius which is Valerian, who if you guys don't know who Valerian is, he's a failed emperor of Rome who got captured by the Persians and died. But before he did that, he jacked up the Roman empire really bad, losing Antioch and Armenia. The only reason he's famous is because, well, he made a lot of saints, not in the good way. Well, I mean, I guess not if You're the saint because St. Pontius, that was him. So if you're a beekeeper, St. Lawrence, cooks and beggars, St. Dennis, that's Brad's favorite,
Starting point is 00:31:50 the patron saint of headaches. That's him, by the way. St. Denis. St. Eugenia, who's interesting. I like her a bit more. St. Patrickle's, who's against demons and fever. So you might as well use that one, too, Brad. And then the weirdest one is St. Fructosius, who's the patron saint of fasting.
Starting point is 00:32:07 That's a thing. It's definitely not my patron saint, man. I'm not Catholic, but again, degree in religion, so this stuff comes up. But Marcus Valerz, he could see the future. Well, or at least he saw visions. And he kept claiming it was the emperor working through him, which it does kind of track to. He's always, his visions are good.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I'm 50-50 on this because I do think that he was trying to steer somebody he held in regard on a better path. That's what I. He was. but there's it the level of accuracy in his visions makes me think this actually is the emperor reaching out into him and giving him to help. It's the same result.
Starting point is 00:32:49 He's trying to steady his nerve. He's trying to put him back on a path. Also seeing that he was on a path that was going to bring him heartache in the first place because it was going against his nature. That's true. I think the way you have to look at it is if you're in, I'm of the perspective
Starting point is 00:33:06 that Corex was the emperor's favorite son at this point. And so that's why I think it's the emperor working through this guy to help Corax on his journey. If you don't feel that way, that it can be equally the other way. Just that's why I go the way I go with it. But Valerius had this vision of the space wolves in danger very specifically where it was. And he tells Korax the vision. And Korax goes, yeah, you know what?
Starting point is 00:33:30 I like Lehman Russ. He was cool to me. Let me go help him out. And so he goes to the Yarrant system basically just in time. because Bjorn, the space wolves are at the end. The sons of Horace are going to kill them until out of nowhere, these stealth attacks start picking off the sons of Horace. It's that movie scene where the guys in the back just get pulled off and disappeared
Starting point is 00:33:50 because the ninja assassins are there. That's basically it. They keep picking at him until Abidon gets pissed and decides to go out for the Ravenguard instead of the space wolves, which as soon as he does, all the space wolves go, yeah, we're going to leave now. And then they all leave. And by the way, the Ravenguard do the exact same thing. I'm like, yeah, we're also out.
Starting point is 00:34:08 Backflip. Yeah, all Abidon sees the giant middle finger as everyone leaves. Now, afterwards, Russ wakes up and he's really happy to see Korax. And the two make their way back to deliverance, where they rarely meet up with a lion, who was doing a very fun thing. This is post-davin, where now the warp storm has kind of come down just enough that the lion can't get back to Tara, but he can get around and is just going on an ass-kicking mission of Cravers. I love this because I love everything about the lion being such a psycho about this.
Starting point is 00:34:44 He's like, I can't get back to defend Tara, but I can spite all of the home worlds. This meeting, by the way, would have been so short. The lion turns to Lehman and says, hey, what do you say we go blow up every single homeworld of these traitors. I don't know if there's a shorter word than yes, but that's what Lehman would have said. And Corex goes, hey, I don't have a lot of legionnaires, but I can at least help. And so the three of them just go out and just start wrecking home worlds. But like, screw you guys. We're going to bank on our buddies can be defend Terra. And while they're doing that, we're destroying all your home worlds. Sometimes you get a spite. It's awesome. It's such a crazy.
Starting point is 00:35:31 And I just hate all of you. Watch this. It's a nice home world you got there. Too bad if something bad happened to it. But we then get to the end of the heresy. Obviously, the Raven Guard are not at the siege of Terra because they were elsewhere. What's interesting, though, is that the conclusion of the siege of terror, all the loyalist primarks assemble except Korax.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Everyone else takes part in the ground council of reconstruction. Corax doesn't. Now, when Gilliman issues the Codex of Star-Days, Corricks does comply because he sees the wisdom in it, and he does know it's the right idea. So he splits his forces. And even though there's not a lot left, he does make, for the second founding, the Blackguard, the Raptors, which already existed, obviously, and the revilers. So there are now four, this one main three successors. I think the court is already planning his bailage at this point in time. And it's interesting.
Starting point is 00:36:28 the truth is, of all the legions to split up, this is the best one to do it. As we covered the very first episode, they're very similar to Death Watch. The Death Watch operate very independently. So to say to them, hey, you should break your Legion up into independent bodies. Corax might have at that point been like, yeah, strategically, that actually makes sense anyway. Also, I was already kind of doing that. Exactly. Corax, though, at this moment, starts to really struggle with himself as an identity. I believe it's because he's the only primark with a true grasp of the severity of what's going on. Because the emperor had told him all about chaos, what it really is, the threat it poses,
Starting point is 00:37:07 and now the emperor is dead. Half of his brother Primarks have fallen to chaos. And yes, the galaxy is returning to peace because the scouring is going on. But more importantly, Gilemon is doing the right thing. But still, things are pretty wrecked, man. Also, they also don't know that this could just happen. He doesn't know that this can't happen. just again pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:37:30 You know what happens? What happens with the chaos powers? Just choose a new champion. Exactly. And so he knows that evil will return to the galaxy. He's very aware of this. And he goes back and becomes sullen, which is, all right.
Starting point is 00:37:48 I don't love. Put back on Morrissey. Yeah. So, okay, here's my thing. And I'm going to gripe about this for a second. GW likes to put a gene flaw in some of the legions. and they do a really good job in the case of the blood. It is all because everybody got some sort of taint from when they got scattered.
Starting point is 00:38:04 It's small. It's not all. Some guys got a hangnail. Look, man, it's still a flaw. It's not the 13th. It ain't. But anyway, your flaw was you guys became dorks. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:38:18 Perfect in every way. Yeah. So this is worth a thing. Like, I think the blood angels flaw is really well written. I think it's actually more post the death of Ferris Manus, the Iron Hands one is good. Some of these flaws are good. Some of them are lame.
Starting point is 00:38:32 And the one for the 19th, I'm sorry, I think it's lame. They call it a Sable brand in which we first see it after their fight with the psychers back on Terra. But in effect, Corat, they all get this like just sullen disposition where they actually become eventually insubordinate. And it's dumb and I hate it. But Corex decides... Hold on, you know what. The Corex is fixed to it, I like. Fine.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I hate... You hate this, but the trifold path... The Trifold Path of Shadow is super awesome, which is effective. It's almost like the way of the warrior aspect shrines from Eldar. It has a full focus of how you approach dealing with the rage and funny. That's a great way of looking at it. Except you know this is stolen from yoga, right? I know your physique.
Starting point is 00:39:23 I know yoga hasn't come up a lot. I tried yoga one. And then I realized I couldn't touch anywhere, and I just lifted more heavy weights. Exactly. I built like a bowling ball. You just seems bad. Lift heavy more. But I like this quite a bit because it's they go into how to.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Let's go into what it is first. So the whole concept here is that Corex has a legion that every now and then they get really depressed and sullen. So he decides to give them purpose. And the trifold path is a way to give you a purpose and goals to achieve. And it's got three elements. So go ahead. I just wanted to make sure people listen. Why?
Starting point is 00:40:00 I like this quite a bit because it gives you that focus. Again, it's very aspect-shinish, you know what I mean, and what you're trying to focus on to deal with problems. So they give the, you're mastering the ambush, which I like quite a bit, that basically he almost saying you can wait indefinitely for the perfect strike, mastering the ability for the second stage, which is stealth. Is this Calian or Monk? I don't play cow.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Patient Hunter. Okay. I'm just say that this comes out a few times in the game. Yeah. It's just you want to wait patiently to strike and to do that. You have to basically be the perfect stealth warrior. You have to use your innate ability to effectively become invisible. So I like this quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:40:43 But it doesn't make sense because it's the first one and the second one is a lot. That makes more sense. Yes, I know. I know, I know. I'm not saying that these two make sense. It's a trifold path, not the triford. You do have to do these in order. So the first one is getting really good at ambushing people.
Starting point is 00:41:01 But you need to be stealth. The second one is being really good at stealth. Yeah. So it's kind of like, how did you get there, man? I'm well aware that they're out of order. And I'm pretty sure that everybody goes, you have to start over here. But the number says you have to start here. You're like, you don't.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Everybody knows that in the handbook that they give you, it says to start here, but you really start here. But the last one is the biggest deal, which is. Yes. This is the hardest one. Very few people. achieve vigilance because it requires you to have basically the faith to power through, no matter the odds. And Korax couldn't do this candidly.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Yeah. And the things you have to tape faith. Well, it's also faith that the Imperium is going to survive in the background. I mean, there's bigger things to the trifle path than just achieving one goal. You have to have faith effectively in the emperor, in the imperium, that you're doing the right thing. And then because you have faith that you are following the correct path, then you can succeed because of it. It's effectively the Sith code, but in reverse, because you're not just trying your own personal power on it. And I think of this one, the best example of this one,
Starting point is 00:42:12 kind of not coming through is we talked about in the last cast, we're in Corex that comptroller decided to release the animophage on everybody. And Korak's abandoned a successful campaign. to go kill one dude brutally, that is not following vigilance. Vigilance, this third part of the path, is you send, yeah, send your Moratose to go kill him, but focus on the task. Get it done correctly because not doing that will cost lives. Yep. And so it's, if you lose focus, you will have innocent die.
Starting point is 00:42:46 You will not complete your missions. And I felt that he knew he was not achieving those. and he was all right kind of going into pretty big vengeance in the first place, but I do like the trifle path quite a bit. I love the fact that he put these teachings out of this is how we're going to go about and do things.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Yeah, like I said, the reason for the trifold path I hate, the trifold path I like. So I like to believe GW wrote the trifold path and went like, well, why are they doing it? And so I don't know. And then it's like, we have a print deadline, write something quick.
Starting point is 00:43:15 So we got the, they're all so sad. But anyway, let's get to the end. of Korax in the lore. So the first, Corax has this weird moment. And I think the biggest problem he has is he's accepting, in my opinion, but he's accepting how bad the warp is and all the problems. And he goes back to deliverance and he decides he has to kill all of those mutated
Starting point is 00:43:43 the start-ist. Which is a dick move, by the way. Oh, yeah. This is Val-Dor Thunder Warrior style. But he does it, my opinion, he does it because he realizes. these beings have demon in them. Which is why I still think that he's a wild self-hater because he's super war-confused himself.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Well, then what's he do? Goes into the warp. That's the whole, but that's the point. So he kills these creatures who are probably the closest thing to corrupted Ravengard. Yes, they fought on the side of good and the time came of it, but in Korax's mind, their attachment to the demons, the warp is bad.
Starting point is 00:44:19 And then Korax just bales. And he goes, like, sit for a year. Yeah. Now, I, when he bails,
Starting point is 00:44:31 he does something that may be grown out loud when I read it. The last thing he says to his legion is never more. The level of hate I have towards that. I cannot express it in enough words on this cast. Don't do it. Just leave it alone. You didn't say, so say it the Raven. Yeah, leave it alone.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Why? What? Like, here's my issue. I actually think a lot of the writers at GW are very well educated and know a lot of stuff. That's the kind of stuff a first year English major would have written. That's what upset me about that. There's a thousand ways he could have done it.
Starting point is 00:45:08 With his acoustic guitar. Yeah, you could have done. Or just pick a different, if you want to do it, well, pick a different Edgar Allen Poe, like, he's doing his poems and then singing, hey there, Delilah. But he's got a bunch of other ones. Yeah, Anna Bolley, alone to my mother, Tamerlian. You could have done. There's a ton of stuff Edgar Allen Poe is done.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Just use a reference from one of those and let it be, you know, somewhat subtle. No, we should have done. Anyway. Told his Legion, if you're not first, you're last. You last. Now, I will say we did get more Korax lore a few years. I don't know when this book came out, but it was awesome. So we don't know where Korax is forever.
Starting point is 00:45:47 I mean, playing the game. We're talking decades of, oh, yeah, Corex is the warp somewhere. And then we get one little snippet, and it's one of my favorite newer bits of the lore. So, Lorgar has apparently finally achieved demon apathesis, all right? And he goes to celebrate by making you the word bearers erect a bunch of temples and monuments. This is all in the eye of terror honoring him the chaos gods, because he's going to then use that to channel the powers of the warp into himself, and he's going to go attack the materia. But while building it, all the workers start dying and a bunch of word bear legionnaires start dying.
Starting point is 00:46:25 I might say dying. And I'm being like, oh, I've caught a cold and I've killed over. No, slaughtered it and ripped limb from limb. And so basically by the shadows themselves. So anytime they went to work, because apparently there's shade when you're working on a world inside of the eye of terror, there's still a sun or whatever. But if you got too close to one of the shadows, you would just basically explode. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:47 I'm just blood and gore like a 90s, like the one of the doom knockoffs we got, right? And so they all just stop going into the shadows until it was a captain or a sorcerer. I can't remember exactly which one it was, goes to investigate and gets attacked by a shade demon, a very large, angry shade demon. And he runs away.
Starting point is 00:47:08 It's calling for help. And he just yells to Lorgar. Who shows, I'm assuming shows up with a white tank top, thinking he's, awesome. Oh yeah, Lorgar shows up already. Oh, watch this. Whatever you've got, I can take it and gets wrecked again by Kourax because it is Korex. It Korex is no longer has form. He is a shadow of murder and death. He's pure warp and beats the piss out of Lorgar, at which point Lorgar bravely runs away.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Sir Robert right away. Yeah. And as he runs away, he basically, he opens a warp portal and goes through it. And as he goes through it, Corax is right behind him and screams at him. I have your scent. I will find you and I will kill you. And that's all we get out of Corax, which is cool. With that, though, that is the end of the story of Korax, but not Ravengard. As we mentioned in the beginning of the show, the Ravenguard become a minor chapter for millennia. They did not, remember their prime arc's gone. So now harvesting gene seeds even harder. It is taking it forever. So they get almost no lore interactions until M40. So about 8,000 years. It's mentioned that they're at the War of the Beast, all the major
Starting point is 00:48:28 conflicts that they're present, but not in force. Whereas like the salamanders, we covered them. The salamanders kept trying to make the Legion bigger and then couldn't because they kept getting involved in fights. They shouldn't have been involved in and then losing out of their numbers again. So for salamanders. They got into so giant. things, but continue. But unlike the white scars, GW did not forget about the Ravengar. Starting around, M-40, they start coming out,
Starting point is 00:48:54 and by M-41, they start playing a major... Major players. I like this because they... Oh, it's awesome. Ravengard are one of my favorite armies to play, because they're an infantry-based army. And I love infantry-based armies. I'm not much of a big tank guy.
Starting point is 00:49:07 They do throw down some speeders here and there, but they don't bring a lot of tanks. They don't bring a lot of transports. In the Lord, they don't have land raiders, or they have a couple. Same with even predators. They just, that's it. They have landspeaters and dudes.
Starting point is 00:49:19 And they show up to do a lot of protection engagements when they're basically trying to win a civilian. They fight in, to their credit, they also fight in a lot of places where there's a huge amount of civilians. A lot of places that, you know, big fights go in. There's people, there's cities, but like these guys actually do a lot of, we're trying to protect the civilians first and foremost and win. Yeah, basically they're what you think the salamanders are, but they actually are. Oh, my God. I like them both. How many children did they murder?
Starting point is 00:49:50 Zero. Still, what intention. I'm still doing it, but you know, intentionally. I'm just playing out there. Anyway. But I love the way that they fight because they do a lot of hit moves, stick and move, and all kinds of stealth engagements. I just like that way they play.
Starting point is 00:50:04 I played Ravenganon multiple times on the table. By the way, in the current 40K on the tabletop, they actually do play very well. I'd be very careful with that statement because this is going to come out three weeks before 11th edition drops. Yeah, I'm saying for all of 10th, and they were very, very close. As close as you're going to be Marines. Yeah, that's the answer.
Starting point is 00:50:25 With the updown and the stealth and the loan ops and stuff like that, I don't know, between Shrike and Sean when they came out, I really like it. We're going to talk about Shrike here in just a second, but the way that they played, played very Ravengard-esque. I like that quite a bit for that.
Starting point is 00:50:40 That's very true. So, yeah, let's get into Strike. So Kavon Strike. Kavon Strike. Kavon's a really good example. of what the Ravenguard are. And he's probably one of the better new heroes of the game that they've added from a lore standpoint.
Starting point is 00:50:53 So born on Kiev, R, he was part of the Hive Gangs, which means he just was a murder child, like a lot of the stories are. But he was very good at avoiding detection and capture. I like this story a lot, because he did a good job of avoiding it. Eventually, he did run out of time.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And before his enemies could kill him, a chaplain, the Ravengard showed up and was like, hey, you're going to go be a space Marine. He's like, I don't really want to. Chaplain was like, yeah, good to hear, man. I wasn't asking if you want to join. Yeah, this wasn't a, hey, here's your golden
Starting point is 00:51:28 ticket, Willie Wong, or not Willie Walker, where the kid wasn't. Charlie. Thank you, Charlie. Here's your golden ticket, Charlie. This was a get in the van. I thought it was more Oceans 11 with Matt Damon at the, where they all go in his house. Yeah. You're really enjoying the food? Cool. Get in the house. Get in the house. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:54 So as I started, Shrike starts to sit in the ranks quickly. He was a natural talent. He's an exceptional killer and extremely talented stealth. But he wasn't great at leading in logistics, but we'll get too later. But he was incredibly good at like raw Raven Guard skills. And one of the big ones he does is the Targus campaign. So there is an Orkwa by Skull Krak, Warboss Skull Krek. It's a full Wa. Targas campaign, these things raging out of control. And the Imperial Guard had been fighting it, but what was becoming a losing battle, until Shrike and the Ravenguard arrived. Because the thing about Orks is, and I love them, they're great in a lot of things, but attention to details not high on their list. And the stealth capabilities of the Ravenger
Starting point is 00:52:42 Ravenguard start wreaking havoc on the orcs. Oh, they're hitting anybody that's not completely part of the main force. They're just picking everything off. Which infuriates the orcs and makes them spread out even more to try and find who just punched me. And so the orc wa starts grinding down to a halt while they're trying to hunt down all these Ravenguard. Now, what makes it more important, though, is what Shrike does here.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Shrike becomes a hero. as this wa has been raging going around, the imperial military starts petitioning Shrike saying, hey, we're going to go take out this while over here, or it's part of the wall over here. Can you come help us out? And Shrike doesn't even respond. Just gives them the new phone,
Starting point is 00:53:26 who this, and moves on with his day. Because what Shrike was more interested in is that the imperial military wanted him to help them in battles they were waging. But Shrike was more interested in the people of Targis, Because as... Let's talk about standard imperial practices are let people die as long as it will help us out tactically later.
Starting point is 00:53:50 So they're just letting hives get smoke showed. And Shrike was not down with that. He took us to that. Yeah. And this actually ends up helping the Imperial Forest up because what happens is the Imperial Army pulls out and leaves this hive, when people in the hive going, so we have no defenders and I'm looking at 10,000 orcs. like, yeah, probably sucks for you. But then Shrike would come down.
Starting point is 00:54:12 He'd pick at those orcs, and the orcs would then go chase him off somewhere else, saving the hive. He does this over and over and over again. And what this does was this gives them time to evacuate or the PDFs, the planetary defense forces, to get together, make up a better defenses to then repel the orc invasion.
Starting point is 00:54:32 This is also to the massive chagrin of imperial officers who were just like, hey, I left that place indefensible and now they're winning. So apparently I'm terrible at my job. Yep. But at the end of the campaign, because of all this stuff,
Starting point is 00:54:47 Shrike and the Ravenguard have whittled this force down so much that eventually the Imperial military is able to take him out. Shrike, though, is a basically a living saint amongst the imperial. He's not a true living saint, but he's viewed that level of...
Starting point is 00:55:01 Well, especially here. Billions. It's huge because these people got left to just to be left out to dry, you know what I mean? And he saved all of them. through his action, specifically his actions. So he leaves that.
Starting point is 00:55:13 The next big thing for a Shrike is he goes to a world called Quintus, where the night lords and the Alfa Legion have created a rebellion and brought a demon prints into the material. I don't really want to get into like all the details because it involves the white scars, so obviously no one cares. But, uh, the Raven Guards. Shrike and Corso Khan do a shaken bank and take out of the prints. they wrote a lot more for Shrike
Starting point is 00:55:39 than they did Kursarokan. I'm not saying that they did. I'm just saying that they did. But they did. They did shake it big. Yeah, they did. The two of them did a 100 buddy fight and killed a demon prince.
Starting point is 00:55:51 It was cool. But Shrike's biggest thing is actually against the Tao, but unfortunately it was in a Tao book. So third sphere of expansion, Tao come headlong into the forces of the Imperium. It's called the Perfectia campaign. and the Tao are pushing into the imperial lines,
Starting point is 00:56:09 and the reason they're able to do this is because they pulled Shadow Sun out of stasis. Now, Imperium had not fought a Tao general of this caliber yet. They were used to have just normal Tao tactics, so they grossly underestimated Shadow Sun, and Shadow Sun starts to reckon them pretty bad. Shrike reacts to this. He leads a small contingent of Ravenguard
Starting point is 00:56:33 in a bunch of these of strike and fades against the Tao. Again, slow them down, make it so the Imperium can bring their full force to bear against what is a very quick Tao army. His plan was simply just to harass the Tao and disrupt their lines. And basically do that. You set up a trap so they respond to your disruption. You get it. Problem is, well, we'll become a problem. All of a sudden they realize Shadow Sun is the one responding.
Starting point is 00:57:00 So Shrike sends a communication saying, hey, the leader of the Tao is here. and I've got him set in the trap. The problem is that what the current chapter master of the Ravenguard should have done has said, all right, shooter, but he doesn't. And this is Severax. He's also chasing glory, never good. This is kind of what they were trying to show in the story.
Starting point is 00:57:26 Right. And so what ends up happening is Severax radios, I'm on my way. So the chapter master, so it's rushing over there because he wants to be the one to kill Shadow Son. Mostly out of anger. Shadow Sun has killed a lot of Ravenguard, a bunch of us, but there is still pride here.
Starting point is 00:57:44 In a rage, he comes in, but Shadow Sun can fight, and Shadow Sun kills Severus. How much does that hurt you to say that? The Shadow Sun can fight. The Tao can't. Like, there's like, tell the Tao R. There's like, so I don't like the Tao. Like, you and I both know,
Starting point is 00:58:00 they're arranged combat army, but Shadow Sun's one of, like, four things that can fight. Now we have those weird twins, whatever. So in a rage, though, Shrike seeing a Chapter Master killed attacks and Shadow Sun on the Tath to basically run away because Shrike is relentless in this assault.
Starting point is 00:58:17 But death of a chapter master, it's field promotion time. And so they decide to elevate Shrike as a chapter to be their new chapter master. I will point out that they actually don't end up winning this campaign. They end up having to retreat to TAL to win this because this is a, like a towel book.
Starting point is 00:58:34 Shadow Sun at the helm, the tower winning battle after battle. That part's not important. Shrike leaves and he goes back as a hero. Now, in his heart, though, Shrike had doubts. This is why I like Shrike. I like the writing on Shrike. Shrike saw how the former chapter master died because he let pride get the better of him. But Shrike also realized.
Starting point is 00:58:56 He would have the same thing. He goes, I would have made the wrong decision also, which made him doubt. is why am I leading? If I can already see, I would make the wrong decisions. Exactly. And so he looks at people, and this is called out like Marnius Calgar. I'm not just picking the ultramarine, but I'm also picking the ultramar. But he looks at them and realizes he can't be as analytical and as cold as they are.
Starting point is 00:59:20 He's a leader of passion. He wants to lead from the front. He can't just sit back and give orders, right? So Shrike goes to his legion and says, hey, I'm going to continue to lead because you elected me. but as soon as a worthy replacement comes in, I'm going to step down. Because usually, by the way, when a chapter master turns over,
Starting point is 00:59:38 except when the primark comes back, it's because the chapter master died. So he's saying, no, I'm going to step down. This is pretty cool, though, because this is how Sean gets to be out. And he does follow through. So with the fall of Kadia and the rift spreading, Shrike sees the real value of Ravengard, though.
Starting point is 00:59:54 So the next thing he does is he does something called the scattering, in which he goes to every shadow captain, which is the captains, and gives them a specific task, but it's a secret task. And the Ravenguard just disappear out into the galaxy, not to be seen from being, but just all over the place.
Starting point is 01:00:10 And they're doing recon, assassinations, all this stuff, all designed to turn the tides of battles so that the larger forces can do stuff. At the same time, he takes one for the team and helps GW sell some models
Starting point is 01:00:23 because despite not being injured or even upset in any way, he becomes a primaris Marine. because, you know, teamwork makes the dream work. Now, I do, he does focus when he sets everybody on these specific things. He does explain to them, and it is explained the writings that they're trying to further that people along the trifle path. Like, this is how he fight.
Starting point is 01:00:45 This is not. Exactly. This will give you an opportunity to do this. Let's finish up with Aethon Shon. So Shrike's opportunity to offload leadership came very recently, like literally recently. He's a new model. Aeth and Sean had been a long-rising member within the Raven Guard, the 10th company, all the way to first company.
Starting point is 01:01:04 Master the trifold path. He had the attributes of stealth akin to Korax, or maybe even the more deathian, is probably closer. One story is he deploys the Ultramar and Tellian misses him. So Sergeant Tellion's the super scalp of the Ultrasnique and even he misses him. So Sean is sneaky. But what makes him so unique as to what Brad was saying is he's really, really good at the trifold path. All Reveigardt, go to the first one, ambush.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Sean can do that. But he's also able to be stealthy, and the big one is he does have the vigilance. He's able to provide direction, orders, and tactics because he knows the full path. He understands how everyone is. He actually can put himself kind of in the shoes of whoever, right? And Sean eventually establishes himself as being this incredible thing. And Shrike looks at him and says, all right, this is the time. Shrike says to the whole Legion, I'm stepping down. And Sean is going to take over. And this is a really good move because Sean can do the one thing Shrike couldn't.
Starting point is 01:02:13 He can step back. And the story is on Sean. And by the way, if this feels like I'm not covering very much, there's not much on Sean. He's very new. Like it was a Warhammer community article. Yeah, they point out. Well, Sean is now. a single loan out model and he leads from the back because he wants to actually make sure the
Starting point is 01:02:31 greater goal is achieved as opposed to. Shrike always felt like he had to lead from the front and he got too emotional and bloodthirsty and everything else getting into what's going on and leaving a little bit of the bigger battle. I'll be honest, Sean shouldn't have a model. The way that his lore is written, Sean shouldn't have a model because he shouldn't be on the battlefield. And I like that, by the way. I think it's good to have a leader. It's where they're not present on the battlefield. They're leading from like the command center, telling people go do these things.
Starting point is 01:03:01 Now, Sean can fight. That's why they give them a model. But I like it more on the idea that the Ravenguard. Yeah, well, I like the idea of the Ravenguard being spread out throughout the galaxy and having one person being the main coordination helping them out. But with that, we're going to call it for now. We will cover more Ravenguard in the future because we're going to do battles. They're part of campaigns.
Starting point is 01:03:21 They're part of. But for now, that's kind of it. next week we're going to do one of our one-off episodes that i like to do uh we're going to do space hulks giant floating things of death and space hulk we're going to dive into space hulks and stories on space hulks what they are and why they matter in the 40k universe but yeah so until then john barsati bradchester this guy see you guys next week

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