The 40k Lorecast - Episode 28 - The Legend of Ahriman Pt1

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

 On this episode we cover the origins of the infamous sub-leader of the Thousand Sons. Ahriman is one of the oldest (non-perpetual) characters in 40k game. From his birth on Terra to his arrival in the immaterium we cover many of the key events (betrayals) that set Ahriman on his path. With an especial focus on his obsession with curing his legion and brothers from a terrible mutation.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to 40K lore cast with me, John Barzadi and Bradchester. This guy. Who is still sick? Yes, I am. Good job, Bradts. If you hear hard breaks, that's Brad coughing. Right there.

I'm not even cutting that one out. I'm just going to leave that one in for all of you. You're welcome. On today's cast, we're going to cover one of the most infamous, if not iconic, remember of the thousand sons. He's been around forever, though. Yeah, Aramond. He actually has been around technically longer than Magnus. Yeah, but Aramon's.

has had a model for every addition of 40K that I play now. And that's up to second. Wow, I didn't realize that. There we go. So, yeah, Aramon's been around for a while. So before we get started again, during Discord, it's really active right now, which we love it. It's like 120, 130 of you guys in there right now.

Having some real discussions too. Yeah, exactly. We'd like to keep you guys up there. We're adding more pages to it. Our Discord's becoming kind of our number one platform for communication and then just community engagement. So we really do appreciate it as I mean, Brad and I post into it. So those of you who are in the Discord probably are recognized that we're there a lot. But for those of you who aren't a Discord, please join it. It's a fun community and we're really having a lot of fun there.

We also, if you don't like our audio, I have a Patreon page to help us fix that audio. We're trying to fix it. But the best part about this is I was just about to plug where I'll be next week. And this will come out two weeks after that. Yeah, if we're talking about Adepticon, Thank you for seeing us at Adepticon. It's the better way of putting it, Brad. What? I understand how time works. But anyway, onto the topic at hand.

On today's cast, we're actually going to use Aramon as a way to tell the story of the Thousand Sons. And this is more of a, at least John's opinion. Brad can correct me wrong here. I just don't like Magnus's story. And I think it's kind of boring and lame. Aramon is so excited. Yeah, it's such a better story. This might be the most excited I've been for, I've been excited for some cast.

I like some two different legions, but this is the character. Even though Abidon's the man, Aramon is such a conflicted character and so many things. And his journey into darkness is a legit journey. And a lot of times you go, hey, man, he didn't do. You're like, he got screwed over and we're going to tug over this. Yeah, we're going to go over how Aramon, how Aramon got to be who Aramon is. you feel a little bit of sympathy for him, but he gets to a point in this where you're like...

No, he eventually embraces it. No, dude, you're a dick. No. He gets mad, almost mad scientist, not Fabius Bile style. Yeah, he's kind of right in that end. He gets that whole, and we'll go down this journey, because I really like his arc because he went from a guy that was idealist, basically. He went from idealist to a guy that got betrayed just time after time.

by everyone. Yeah. I mean, everyone. And then became jaded. And then he started dipping his toe into evil because he was like, well, these guys did this to me, you know, I can do this or I need this or this, this justify and justifies the means for this. And we'll go over it.

I'm excited. Let's let's. Yeah. I mean, you know, Cander, like, he's actually more intertwined in what other thousand sons are in 40K than Magnus. Than Magnus. Like, he's this big of a character. And it's kind of, it's kind of fun to, to date.

into him. So let's just dig in, though, and kind of talk about Aramon. So we'll start with just, where did he come from? Well, he's got a lot in common with me because we're both from Earth. Yeah. Aramon's ancient. So we talk about this a lot when we discuss both the Chaos Legion, even the Human Legions. There's only a handful of characters who can actually date, who date back to Pre-Crucissade. Aramon's one of them. He actually comes from Pre-Crucade. His family Their nobility, basically. Yeah, they're a nobility. Well, I like this term. So how about this?

Their nobility enough that they didn't get purged after. Yeah. There's a funny thing. As does you listen to cast a lot? No, if you notice this, I tend to crap on some of GW's writing from time to time. But yeah, just weird.

So they refer to him as coming from nobility. What they mean by nobility is that when the emperor was waging his war across the Terra with the Thunder Warriors, which is really just a war of genocide. We have Thunder Warriors. pretty early on, the war band that Aramond's from went, yeah, we're calling mercy here. Like, this isn't really worth it. And because they joined early enough, they get to be called nobility in air quotes because

they didn't get smoked. Yeah, because they're not all dead. Aramon's family. Seems pretty noble to me. Yeah, it's a noble thing, but Aramont's family never had to fight the Thunder Warriors, aka get slaughtered by the Thunder Warriors. You're ready for us to butcher this for the rest of? to the cast? Yeah. So let's dive into the next piece of Armand. He has a brother.

And Brad, and I... He's a twin brother. And Brad and I were discussing beforehand what we're going to call it. I'm going to spell it for you. O-H-R, M-U-Z-D. I'd like to buy a vaux. Ormozed, Arm-R-R-R-R-R-R-S-D. All right, literally, if G-W, actually, here's what, if I were a G-W writer, I would do. I would randomly make a character in a random book whose name is just him. Not a whole Legion. but just have one guy named Tim. Leave everything else.

He's like Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, like Sanskrit one-offs, but have a guy and make him important named Tim. Just to mess with people. If the Eisenhorn book had been called Eric, I just think it would have been enjoyable. But anyway, Armand and Arm-Ruzd, Arm-Uzed. We're going to call him the Big O. Yeah, Arm-O-M-M-U-S.

Nah, we're going to struggle through this. Come on. We have listeners. They make their relationship pretty over the top. They are twin brothers, best of friends, and they are both wildly psychic. So the movie Double Dragon, basically? Pretty much. That's the one, right?

Jean-Claude Van Dan plays both characters. Yeah. You're not wrong. Terrible film. But his, him and his brother are preeminent psychers, you know what I mean? They're rock and roll. And they are inseparable. And the thing is, is they don't, they go over the top,

but they don't at the same time because they're literally twins who have a connection anyways, but they're twin psychic brothers. So they actually do know what the other is thinking so a lot of times. Again, they're freaking magic brothers. But at the beginning, they actually don't realize their psychic. That's the fun. No, they just know things. Yeah.

The funny about this process is then we're going to get into the second is the psychic powers, we're talking about here pre-Great Crusade. So dive back real quick because, again, it's been like 20 cast as we covered this, the Great Crusade. So the Emperor is taking back over the galaxy. The galaxy is basically dark. We had a dark age where everything got lost.

Warpstorms, thank you, Eldar for breaking the sky. Eldar breaks the sky. God's created, Sleneh, specifically. and they go back to take over the galaxy. The emperor makes 20 legions of super soldiers that are all stemmed from a prime mark apiece. Technically, 21, but it gets a little bit complicated here. Technically 18, thank you very much.

So he makes 20 legions, but one of those primarks is a twin. So does that make a 21 primarks? This is where he gets the math. It's a little bit weird. two of them suddenly are redacted from imperial history, which does kind of come up a little bit in some of this, some casts we've done here and there. But we'll dive into those a little bit.

The emperor has these primarks, and we sits down and says, well, each of these primarks after they're gone, I could just clone them, but as we covered in a prior cast, like unless you're past third edition, that went away. That wasn't what they had for a little bit. They were clones, and then they went,

yeah, no, that was stupid. No, the gene seed. Yes, it becomes gene seed, where they take males between the age of 13 and 28, fill them with these special organs. And lots of drugs. Yeah, I mean, I'll be candid. Does it make zero sense? Yes, but who cares?

It's sci-fi. Let's enjoy ourselves. But he has to hunt down all the rest of those primarks. So we have 20. Well, we'll just say we have 18 because we don't know what other two are. We have 18 legions. We have 20 legions. And so we've got right around two.

million space marines that he sets off with. And that's the goal. And the goal is to reclaim the galaxy. And he's already broken these into the legions. Yeah. Oh, yeah. One of them is first legion, as we've covered. Yeah. Awkward. Awkward. And we didn't meet him for a long time. Yeah. So what ends up, so, yeah, Aramon and his brother are mused. Amruzed. Amrosed. Anyway, they joined the thousand sons. Um, just, and they joined the same way. And he joined the same way. else would. They are, you know, they're brought in. Someone somehow shoves extra organs in them, including one that spits acid, still not part of the game. By the way, they're very psyched to do this. Oh, yeah. Oh, ever, this is, this is a great thing. No one, this isn't like a, these aren't prisoners.

They're experimenting. They're excited. We are taking back mankind. Yeah, and I'm going to, you're going to make me a super soldier to do it. The, the entire universe is going to bend to my will. I will point out, member, they don't know about Zenos. Like, they don't know, but anything. They don't know about anything. They don't know about chaos. They're actually expecting to go fight other mankind. And the first thing they're going to bump into is the ad mech, which is, we'll skip

that. And the thing is that they're just a regular Legion of the beginning. We did Dark Angels. Dark Angels are their own special flower. It is not like Dark Angels. Brad's laughing because our show notes were like the Thousand Suns were similar to the other 18 legions, not including the First Legion because they are, who boy. They did some stuff.

Yeah. No one that does them. Yeah, that's your uncle that comes to holidays. You're like, what? Where is he? Oh, don't come back. So they get, I mean, they don't get for shit into this. Yeah.

Literally the crusade starts, they're in fifth year. Yeah. They start doing. And the Legion, I'm talking Legion, not like three dudes doing card tricks. The Legion starts exemplating, showing psychic powers. Yeah. They just are connecting. And not subtle ones.

Like this is, yeah. Well, it's, it's everywhere, too. Guys are basically having, you're getting precogs. You're getting literally dudes, lightning people. You're getting forced lightning. You're getting telekinesis. You're getting guys that can teleport. And nobody knows how the hell to control this shit or what's going on.

And two of the most powerful people in it are, of course, because again, it's writing, it's going to be Aramon and his twin brother. It's not going to be Aramon and some random dude named Eric. To their thousand sons. credit right away, they effectively go, hey, how can we make this craziness benefit us? And they just start putting them together in, hey, can all of you guys shoot lightning balls out of your eyeballs? Cool.

You're the lightning ball eyeball guys. Yeah. You're this. They start making them into the part of the forces of the thousands. And they start using tactics that involve these side of cars. That being said, this great power comes with great confidence. consequence. Don't worry, we're not foreshadowing. I'm going to get to the story very shortly.

I mean, it's not even just, it's a terrible. This isn't like, hey, man, you've got to pay the piper. This is like, hey, crazy mutations start to rip ramp it through the Legion. I'll be on. It took me a little bit to research this enough because I was like, what do you mean by mutation? They were all turning into chaos

spawn. If any of you have seen a chaos spawn model, they did that and it varied by speed. Some guys, it was quick. Some guys it was slow. We're talking about, you know, you guys that were having problems with, hey, man, I'm losing my teeth. And then you got another guy that's like, hey, I have tentacles now. Yeah. And so originally, they think it's just some random infection. They actually put people in stasis pods to kind of protect them from this. And it just starts ripping the Legion apart. And this is, we should go on it. It's the flesh curse.

Well, yeah, it's right. It's called, they call it the flesh curse. But just for those you're trying to envision it, I can make your life easier. go to GW's website, look at a space marine model, and then look at a chaos spawn model and figure out that there's a process to go from point A to point B. And it's not great. Yeah, it's also the Fleshkers isn't like a smooth transition. It's a, hey, this hurts how much on a scale of one to 10? 47? They are.

So what happens is this becomes multi-leveled issue. One, it goes on for years. The other legions are watching this happen too. We talked before about how the Dark Angels keep secrets. Thousand Sons weren't one of those legions. They were telling everyone. Yeah. Hey, anyone know how to make this stuff?

Here's the problem. Thousand sons thought, oh, my brothers will help me. They did not. They did not. The other legion's actual first reaction was burn them, burn them. Kill all of them. Yeah, all of them. Obviously there's something wrong with them.

And then the step down from that was, oh, just only kill the psychers. And you're like, we're all psychers. It did not get received well. and this is a foreshadow to more problems later that they end up having because of the psychers. So they didn't know what was happening, even the 1,000 sons don't know what's happening, and its mutation gets worse over time.

The biggest piece of this whole mutation, the reason we're talking about it is a lot of layers, but the biggest one is Aramon's brother, Amruzad, or whatever name is, because I don't say it anymore after this. But he falls victim of the flesh curse in the worst possible way, because his brother slowly succumbs to this.

And Aramond and his brother are mentally connected. So Aramon not only feels his brother's pain, but feels his brother's fear. And this becomes Aramon's one of his main purposes in life. Overriding. It's like his life kind of. I have to, he is both terrified of the flesh curse from here.

And I'm just saving ourselves a couple hours here. whenever we talk about Aramond throughout the next few this cast the next cast understand he's afraid of the flesh curse happening to him. Like wildly afraid. Yeah.

And he needs it to go away. For him it happened to him basically because again of the connection with his brother he knows this effectively did happen to him. So now he's like, this is not going down again.

I will figure. And this is one of the things that goes overriding through his entirety of Aramon's history is he gets pretty single focused on this is not happening. I'm going to figure out a way for this not to happen.

And will I do some shit that's not great to make this not happen? Yep. Yep. Now, they had to look it up. My numbers are right here, probably. Probably. Who cares? It's all made up.

But still, the flesh curse basically ravages them for about 37 years. And that goes until 840 M30, where they actually finally meet Magnus. The emperor gets to Prospero. We'll talk to Prospero in a minute. But gets to Prospero, and they all teleport down and meet Magnus. They find a little reunion. Magnus and the emperor do their thing. And the emperor pieces out.

And he leaves. As usual. By the way, again, bad English dad, who for sure could have stopped this. Oh, yeah. Well, that's what happens. We discovered he was stopping it. Because the second the emperor leaves, the mutations become more. Like crazy.

And way faster. It's just, so, yeah, guys, this is a Zinch curse. Like, then we're going to get into what happened in a second. But it's a Zinch curse. The, by the Legion being around the emperor, he was keeping it away. He wasn't even trying to. Yeah, it just happened by being around him, the chaos gods couldn't reach into the thousand sons as well as they could.

But the second he's gone, there's just Magnus left. And so now the curse is going rampant and then suddenly the curse stops. My favorite part about the notes, I always have to give you the highlights for the notes. because John's note is this is a lore cast, not a book, so we can jump right into the spoilers. Yeah, in the books, like, what could have happened? Magnus. So it turns out Magnus had been communicating with Zinche for years.

For like the whole time. Yeah, Magnus grew up on Prospero. Prospero was all psychers. He was raised by psychers. I'm going to see, you know what? People can argue with me on this one because it's not full canon on this, and I had this argument before. I think that Zincch was talking to Magnus from day one.

I actually would agree with you. I think when... I think he guided his entire life. Yeah, I think Magnus, the whole entire, even before, Zinch was talking to Magnus before he landed on Prospero. It's that level. I think, because it's insidious. It's

not like Zinch had to throw up giant signs. I think he was guiding him every second of every day. Yeah, because Magnus was not only trained by Cycars, but like, he had reached knowledge on the warp. No one had. I mean, he's already, he's at birth,

top three Cycron the Galaxy. So you have the Emperor, Eldrad, and him. In that order? And then you could have put Malkador and people and wherever. Yeah, I made Malkador, but I think, I think Malkador is behind Eldred. In power, for sure. Yeah, but Eljur doesn't come in for like a while because...

But he's been there. If you're talking in the existence of the galaxy, emperor is number one. I think Eldred's probably number two. And then you go Magnus, Malkador, one of whom didn't burn up on the Golden Throne. So just throwing that one out there. Yeah.

And the thing is, is that Magnus has been getting guidance. I mean, he's been getting guidance like wheel of time guidance, though, from the dragon. Oh, yeah, that's exactly true. And the issue, so Magnus is beginning information from Zinch, but the thing about Zinch is that everything with Zinch has a catch. And it's always a deal. And so Zinch doesn't grant knowledge for free. So my opinion is the flesh curse is probably something that was given as a, because if you look

at the timing of the flesh curse around and kind of like the time of. took Magnus to grow up. I think the Fleshkers lines up pretty closely with Magnus arriving in Prospero. Yeah, they basically throw the flesh curse down. He's been manipulating Magnus the entire time. Yeah. And you're like, hey, man, do you want to keep having your sons be tentacle monsters or not? Exactly.

And that's what happens. Magnus reaches back into the warp to figure out how to solve it. And he comes back. It reemerges in front of his Legion, missing an eye. He did the whole Odin thing. Yeah, missing an eye. They're not great writers. I'm, I mean, this is literally what happened.

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All of you aren't as good as me. Look at what I did. So also says it will never return. That's going to come back. Yeah, and to never return. Don't worry about it, guys. I got you. I'm this good at it. It really does this little witch doctor stuff here of like someone like, you know, like, right, like pre-sunami. We're like, look, I made the ocean go away. Oh, shit. Anyway, back to Aramon. Back to Aramon.

So back to Aramon now. Aramon's going to rise within Legion because he's wildly talented. He's also pretty focused and driven too. Yeah. So he's, he ends up becoming a chief librarian, which in the Thousand Suns is a captain effectively. Yeah. And his great thing is precog. so he can see the future.

This group, and he's a group of guys, what they would do. And it's a pretty cool trick, actually. They could predict enemy movements and enemy actions. So it's easy to kind of just set yourself up. So live, they're just always setting traps. Yes, like so much too. Unfortunately, he also was spending some time because this is the early part of the crusade. Yeah, where the legions tended to share, for lack of a better phrase.

And as part of the sharing. he spent some time with the word bears. Which means he spent some time with Erebus. Yeah. The douche of the galaxy. Yeah. And they actually became buddies. Although, interesting note here,

Aramon's kind of got a thing for science. He's got a thing for... As I said, I was saying before, he's not fabulously bailing it up, but he's pretty disconnected with what's actually going down. Like, he doesn't... this pre-con thing because he's great at it. Right. But he's more got a bunch of side projects that he's, he's basically on his fourth PhD in, in psychics. Exactly. So he's like, as they're conquering worlds,

he's just reading. Any text he can find anything can find about how the universe functions. He's, he's big into it. And it is funny. Of course, one of the guys is like the preeminent magic user of the entire galaxy is super into, you know, science. Anyway, it's just a thing. But one, issue that he has watching the word bears is they've got an insane worship of the emperor. And his problem is not that they're worshipping the emperor. His more point is like, well, what proof do you have the emperor as a god? Yep. And also, I have more proof that there's other powers out there. And I want to find out about them. Also, he's pretty big on, yeah, man, zero things are forbidden. Forbidden. Also, you got Arabis, egging him on when he's like, I don't. I

like to find out some forbidden law. And Aramis is like, you should do that. You should do all of that lore. All of 100%. How can I help you? So what at the same time, Aramon's got another problem. And the problem he's got is he's noticing the other legions have an issue with their psychic powers. So this becomes a new focus for his. He thinks somehow that he can convince their legions that psychers are good. This is literally, he's done a bunch of bad things. We'll get into one of the big spells that was a boo-boo later. This literally, for me, was his dumbest idea. Yeah.

Because he just goes on a PR campaign in the lunchroom about how great psychics are. And here's the great things psychics can do. You're like, dude, you're not that far removed from everybody having tentacles coming out of their house. Well, and that's not. And so he takes his to a level. It's not just him standing on a soapbox at lunch declaring something. He actually brings in people to, you know, videographers, whatever they would pass for in the, it's like the,

Oh, that's true. He wants to make sure that he documents all the good that psychics do. Everything the psychics do, he brings in people to document it. So it's getting recorded for imperial history. They're shooting lightning bolts out of their fingers. They're melting people's brains. They're seeing the future. Some reason, a certain cough, cough, cough, Leh didn't think this was cool.

He's a not super pro-cyker. Yeah, we're going to get there in a bit. The other thing, too, is that Armand was an oddly independent thinker for a space marines. If you think, like, space marines are meant to be followers. 100%. And he weirdly also has, he's willing to argue with Magnus and a drop of hat. Yeah. And the emperor.

I mean, that's, he doesn't, he doesn't really get to choice. He doesn't really ever directly interact with the emperor negatively, but he makes comments about the emperor negatively. Because he also wants to know why we're doing stuff. Right. And the thing is, he does make good points because he just goes, hey, man, why are we doing this? Oh, yeah. He's actually, this is, this is where him and Abadon fall pretty similar in my mind. You read their story up to, and we're going to get to the point where it's going to change. But to a certain point, you're like, yeah, he's right.

You read this, you're like, yeah, Armand's got a good point. He's right. Why would they be doing this? This is stupid. We're just killing off. We're conquering planets and slaughtering people for what reason he's also pretty popular kind of he's a real he's a dude's one of the bros yep but they also kind of hate him because he's literally constantly getting in trouble so like if you buddy up with aramon he is right he does have your best interest at heart but also dude man we we constantly are getting shit on because you never shut your mouth yeah we're going to get the argument campaign the second where he gets in some real shit. But that's what he does.

Aramon, he has these ideas, and Brad's dead right. His ideas are correct. And the people around him who are his buddies say, yeah, that's right. Let's go do it. And then he gets them to a lot of shit because being correct doesn't always matter when you're in this authoritarian regime of the emperor. So, as we were just touching on, though, this issue of psychers within the Imperium is starting to get a lot worse.

the further the crusade pushes, the more the space Marine legions are fighting people with psychic powers. Because remember, they're not fighting war entities yet. Those haven't popped out. But they're fighting like, like the Ragdan are kind of a psychic force,

not quite. Well, they are because they just use it, but they use it more to manipulate. Yeah. They buff themselves up. Yeah, but they're also fighting people who literally are psychers. They're firing, like all the same weapons

or the thousand sons are using, like some of the hardest battles. And they have actually fought, they don't know this, but they fought chaos infused. Exactly. They don't know it. But if you read the books, they're talking about a lot is

that, you know, space ones, one of the biggest ones here, are getting pissed because they're going and engaging in a battle. They're losing a large number of soldiers to the exact same weapons and tactics that the thousand sons use. they're not super excited about it

yeah and they're starting to have that moment of like hey the example I would use like chemical weapons in our world of like this is a weapon of evil so why are we using and the thing is that the Thousand Suns aren't wrong but the other legions aren't wrong

either right because warp use attracts other warp use it just does so like while they're not inherently doing anything wrong imagine if someone told them that or someone someone someone who knew all of those features sat from the beginning from the

beginning and just said to them hey by the way don't use psychic powers because it's going to empower these entities and blah blah blah or maybe fortify yourself against corruption but no I mean they did figure it out you know and made the green nights later on but I mean who cares yeah exactly that that's later that's literally day posted that's like what heresy day four they made the great nights You know, so the issue is that our mind at this point, again, is watching this happen. He's seeing all allegiance turn against the Thousand Suns and decides, well, I'm just going to educate them on how great psychic powers are. So the idea he had before he's doubled. He's not wrong because he's saying the best way to combat psychic powers is to have one psychic defense.

And I can, I'm, and because he's a prodigy, he's like, well, I'll just wreck that guy that's coming at me. Right. Duh. This is simple. So that takes us to kind of a bit of a turning point in the Raman story. This is one of the first time that he gets really kind of wrecked over. We're going to go with AgHuru.

I don't, so like, I don't understand GW when they write a name down. It's either all vowels or no vowels. There's never like a nice little in between. A-G-H-O-R-U. St. A-R-U-R-U. These guys, it's fun because at least they're writing in England, so I know they do this. I can make fun of it.

I don't have that weird moment of like, am I just being racist? Like, it's like, no, we're good. This is some guy in England, you know, Ted Wellington, who wrote this. Ted Wellington. Actually, Theodore. The third. We know it's Theodore. Sorry, GW. Anyway, Oghuru is a planet full of humans.

Yeah, but it's not. Right. Well, let's see. Current occupants. Yeah, this is what I say. The mail came and it said, ancient Eldar World or current occupant is what the male said. And the cool thing is the thousand sons get there and not a drop of blood is shit.

They reach out to the local community and the local community is like, Yeah, we'll totally join the emperor of mankind. Why not? Who cares? I can do the thing. And so everyone's super happy, except there's a little problem there. This planet was one of the major former Eldar settlements. It also has the planet is literally a psychic capacitor, basically.

It is generated to amplify psychic energy so that you can use it. Because, again, Eldar technology was based on making things happen by your mind. from the war. And all the thousand sons can censor something up, but Magnus actually knows something serious. This is a real place. Magnus is a dick, by the way. Magnus learned a lot from the emperor

without ever learning from him. It's like, should I tell my sons this? Or should I do a real sketchy, I'll be bad guys, don't follow me, which is exactly what he does. Because it happens.

Magnus starts grilling the local populace and they start telling the mythology of like, oh yeah, before we were here. They literally tell the fall. They tell the story of the fall. There was people here before us. There were people, and they fell to corruption and hedonism. And then after that, like, they all died.

And Magnus went, well, that's interesting. And there's a giant mountain. And again, I don't know GW. I'm just talking too much of Jehury today. But anyway, there's one mountain on the entire planet because apparently these are flat earthers. I don't think there was one. I think that there was one Eldar constructed. I actually think that this was a Eldar constructed.

mountain. Yeah, so it's kind of like like those of us who live, actually in the U.S. In the U.S., when the landfill gets really, really is all the way done, they cover it with grass. And it looks like a giant hill, but it's actually a hill made of garbage. This is the same thing, but it's not full of garbage. It's full of psychic. Yeah, it's full of psychic powers. And also like kind of a lot of knowledge. They had, this is like the mass effect dump when you do the first one, when you just show up and they're like, here's everything we know forever. And so this giant mountain, Magnus just keeps effectively kind of staring over his shoulder at it and then just does everybody, hey, I'm going to, I'll be back.

Yeah. Wonders off to go to the, because he knows there's something in the mountain. He's just not sure what it is yet. And he goes over to figure out to learn this. It turns out it's the webway. There's actually a giant webway gate that's there. Well, it's Jack, though. Yeah, unfortunately, Slanesh got there a little bit before, and they shut it down.

So he's in there just tinkering with this webway. Aramon, unfortunately, as we said before, doesn't really like upper management. And so when upper management says, I'm taking a break, you guys keep doing all the work, he goes. Yeah, not a chance. Yeah, not a chance. And convinces. He went up with his camera equipment and. Yeah, what the hell is going on and goes up there.

Because he can, to defend Aramon here too. not being a prick. The thing is Aramon can sense there's power, but he can also sense the power is... Well, he senses the corruption, and he doesn't even understand corruption at this point. But he doesn't understand real corruption at this point. Yeah, he knows there's something wrong with where Magnus just... Like wildly wrong. And Magnus, of course, obviously knows exactly the corruption is, then when, I don't care, I'm going to look at it. So Aramon thinks Magnus is in danger. Correct. Also, this, in a little click on it, this is when Aramon starts to learn about the webway

and he becomes pretty goddamn say he's got two or three full obsessions the learning the webway gate also Harlequin players you get to harass Aramon for the next 11,000 years because yeah that's super

he gets coyote roadrunner to coyote pretty hardcore he does those and those stories are kind of cast part two don't worry guys we're going to get there not this one but cast part two I promise we're getting there so he betrays Magnus's wishes and just and comes rocking up into the mountain.

Magnus senses their presence that comes blasting out because he, like his dad, the emperor, is trying to keep all this crap a secret. I guess we can take a little side note here. Magnus has been talking to the chaos gods. And primarily Zich. He's been led by a carrot by Zinch.

He's, in my opinion, I think he's been speaking to Zich. And the thing is, he knows he's not supposed to be speaking to Zich. And Magnus is aware the emperor somehow does know he's been speaking to magnus to magnus's credit yeah magnus thinks the whole time wildly and correctly that he's one-oping zinch yeah every single time yeah yeah like missing an eye yeah you're like

hey man you know your record versus him is zero 400,000 and one yeah and we just pretended that you've got to draw once yeah he's it's pretty ugly so margness comes blasting out of this of the mountain saying yelling no wait he doesn't he doesn't say a word that he just scowls at them and walks away. But he's effective, it's like he's saying, nothing to see in there. Follow me. I'm going back to base and screw you guys for inner. Anyone who has a child in this teenage years knows, this is why you knock before you enter the room. That was a look that Magnus was giving him.

Later, though, for those of you who want to read a good book, one of the cool scenes does happen here where one of the thousand sons basically leans on the mountain the wrong way and wakes up a bunch of Eldar Titans. So the world, remember, this world was taken without a drop of bloodshed and then a bunch of

Eldar Titans. Not Raith Knights. Titans. These are much larger. They were a bunch of Phantom Knights. Yeah, Vandemites made out of Wraithbone, wake up and begin attacking. They don't attack. They start slaughtering. That's true. Slaughtering. Thousand Sons have to call for support.

And of course, one of the local ones is Spacewolves. If you're, you know, they're super excited to have the space wolves save them again. Again. And so the space wolves coming, it's a really good story in the book. I'm not going to get it to play by play. But the battle was actually pretty badass. This, as a result, though, Magnus, once this is all over, does address his legion.

And he drops wild knowledge bombs on him out of nowhere, by the way. Yeah, this is huge because two things come out of this battle. is like Aramond effectively tells them that there's a great ocean. It's what he refers to it as. That's the warp. And there's evil and corrupt entities in it. So Magnus has now told his entire Legion the piece of information that no, even Lorgard doesn't know this, to be fair.

And the emperor desperately doesn't want anyone to know this. So big F up there. Aramon takes this information in two ways. One, likes information. He's Aramon, but also immediately goes, how long have you known this? Like, why is it, why am I just hearing about it now when it's in front of it? It's also the way he presents it, which is a, effectively, this is an endless sea of power that you can do anything that you could possibly want with it. And he's kind of like, hey, man, we could have probably saved some people, you know, instead of just-

You just brought this up earlier. Right, yeah. So at the same time, with, after the space wolves help them defeat these Eldar Titans. Again, read the book. It's a really cool battle. And Eldar Titans are horrifyingly powerful because they're, quick, really quick, actually, which is what makes them scary. He then makes friends with a guy named Wormdrake.

And Wormdrake is a, is a wolf priest, which is effectively a siker with the space wolves. He's a Rune priest, not a wolf priest. Sorry. Anyway, you guys can see me. You're on my eyes. We're going to do an entire episode on the amount of retconning that happened to Spacewolves. And to your credit, Space Wolf players, I'm on your, I'm on your side. It was way cooler in the early edition.

No teleport. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but not invisible wolves. So it is endless campaign to bring everyone around to psychics. Aramond thinks Wormdrake is his buddy and gives Wormdrake. Foreshadow. He's not. He's not.

Also, he's showing him so much, like, he's just showing him all of these felonies. He's basically committed. Yeah, that's what is. He's coming in saying, oh, yeah, you guys think we can cast lightning. That's cool. I can actually read your mind and know what you're doing. I can literally, he was talking, I can literally dominate the minds of populace. Yes.

Yeah, I could control swads of people. Like, isn't that amazing? You guys should be totally on board with this. Spoiler alert. He was not. Yeah. Spoiler alert. So move on further from Argos.

They're on the next chunk, which is this place with Helios, which is another world that's not in compliance. And again, space wolves and the Thousand Suns are fighting together. Actually, I think the Dark Angels were here, too. If I'm not mistaken, but I might be mixing something up here. But they're engaging in this campaign. And the long story short in Heliosas, Heliosa was a system that had a few different kings in it. They refused the emperor's demands.

They're pretty high tech here, too. Yeah, they're pretty high tech. They fought back really hard. And it became, and because Lehman Russ was the first one there, He's the one who said, all right, we're wiping him off the map. But he called in the, so Lehman is the one who called the support of the Thousand Sun. So you've got, in the final battle, you've got Space Wolves and Thousand Suns fighting together. This includes Lehman Ross and Magnus are both on planet fighting not that far from each other.

If you think, wow, it's a lot of detail, John, why did you give it to me? I think we all know what's happening next. Also, well, Ted starts acting funny. Yeah, as they're going through this, the, you know, thousands of tons are firing or yelling lightning bolt and shooting it out of their hands. One random Thousand Sun sorcerer just, he's just exhausted and suddenly explodes into a chaos.

Now, this is a big deal because there are several things. Yeah. One, this drives me crazy because if you've played any sci-fi fantasy game, you know that when you're drawing upon the forces of darkness and the power, if you play Dragon Age, any of those things, you know that the more tired you get, the more, the harder it is to resist corruption. Also, if you're not told there's any goddamn corruption, you're not ready for corruption. You can't do whatever, whatever.

Yeah, so he's just going nuts. Well, he's basically, his defenses go down, demon possesses him, poof, spawned. Yeah. Magnus sees this and goes over to, watches this, this happened. And again, Magnus knows the truth. He knows that he didn't get rid of the flesh curse. He just made a deal with Zinch to get rid of the flesh curse. And Zinch now is fucking with him in front of everybody.

Yeah, because there's also 47 clauses in the contract. Of course. You're like, did you have your lawyer look over it? Like Zinch guy said it was a good, good read. Exactly. And so Zinch now has gone in, he flipped this guy over. Magnus sees this and he goes over to basically. And this is specific.

He's doing this to put him at odds with Lehman. With Lehman Russ. Magnus goes over to hug him. And I think, in my opinion, I think Magnus was going to use his psychic powers to turn him back. As he reaches in to hug him, the chaos spawn explodes. Because Lehman ain't down with that. Yeah, Lehman Russ saw a problem. And Lehman Rus solved a problem with a bolt gun and blew the thing apart.

To Lehman's credit, problem was solved. So for those of you who play Warhammer competitively, yes, apparently you can kill a demon spawn with a bolt gun. Just got to shoot it harder. Hit to shoot harder and under current rules cheat. This, you know, so Lehman just killed a demon. Magnus thinks he just killed one of his kids. Let's just say these two are not, this is it. They are going to kill each other now in front of everybody.

And also, Lehman's been having some issues for a while because he's been against this from day one. Yeah. Lehman occasionally is dirp, but I have to give him the props on the fact that once Lehman decides something, well, he doesn't really back down. Yeah, it doesn't change his mind very well. Luckily, oh, that's right. I was wrong.

It wasn't the Dark Angels there. It was, of course, the word bears were there because Lorgar is there. And Lorgar decided to get in between the two of them and convince them not to fight each other. they leave in a very, very cool situation, though. I mean, a little bit of animosity in the fact that Lehman says, I will kill you the next time I see it. Yeah, Lehman says, your day of reckoning is coming.

And he says a two Magnus looking him dead in the eyes and walks off to go slaughter the planet. Yeah, he's like, just in case you were wondering. Yeah. Yeah, just points at his eyes, points at Magnus's eyes. And that scene from Bloodsportway then slits the throat. You know, that's what we're. The more important thing is we're talking about Aramon. Aramon, though, loses his shit when he sees this happen.

Armand's off to the side because, hey, man, remember when the flesh curse wasn't cured at all? Because a dude just literally popped into a spot. Also, remember, he just recently actually found out that demonic entities exist. And Aramon is a genius among the space marines in the first place. He kind of gets two and two together and goes, hey, man, did he just get possessed? Is that what happened? Yes, that's a thousand percent what happened. This was all a lie.

And he is furious with Magnus because he knows now before he believed Magnus was lying to him, keeping stuff from him, and now he knows. Right, he is just right there. And again, I know him harping on it a lot, but his brother died of this. He's been lied about it twice

and been kept in the dark. Oh, yeah, all of this shit could have been stopped if you would have just told us we could have helped it. We could have the entire time the Legion could have been strengthening their inner fortress, their psychic powers, their ability to deal with chaos. If you would have let us know, I don't know that there's a potential for me to get Pull a Hamie and die immediately from it. This leads us to the next piece of the Aramon falling from Happy Place,

the Council of Niki. Yeah, things did not go well for some. I'm going Nikai, Nikaiia. Nick, oh, Jesus Christ. Anyway, we'll be right back after a quick break. So partially because of what it just happened, also a lot of other stuff, it finally came to ahead. And the Space Marine Legions, who are not Cykers,

this is a pretty, most of them. This is a celebrity gathering. Yeah. They decide to have a special meeting. The Emperor shows up. Malkador shows up. There's at least five or six prime marks who are there. I mean, Magnus Aramon,

in attendance. Mortarian. Mortarian, who's also got his Doc Holiday, I guess my hypocrisy has no bounds. Well, to Mortarian's credit, while he was a psycher, he wasn't using it at this stage. Sure. Yeah, I mean,

he wasn't aware he was using. I like Mortarian. I like Mortarian. So, anyway, it's one of my better models. He actually looks better than my class. Orterian literally puts down a filibuster of Yeah. This is all evil, period.

So the purpose of the meeting was to determine what to do about psychers within their own legions. And they all speak. The first one is, of course, Mortarian, just going hog wild on. Cycars caused the long night. They keep destroying planets. The demons, yeah, demons are bad. Like, it's all the things, Mortarian, honestly, when you read the book, Mortarian's points are all correct.

He's not wrong. He's completely right. He's just a huge hypocrite. Yeah, exactly. That's the irony. And man, it becomes a weird irony. He becomes the demon prince. But Mordy's entire point is well received, that every time they encounter large groups of psychers, it's bad.

It's always bad. It's, of course, being astrophads and navigators. But that's a side note. Yeah. I still got to travel. It's always bad. However, the big problem was Worm Drake. Oh, Jesus.

guy that Aramon. He literally made a college film about everything that Aramon showed him and turns it into his USC film school project and just shows it to everyone. Aramon at this moment sees Wormdrake walking out to speak and he's excited. Like, great, this guy's going to defend us. Yeah. Instead. Well, he's also thinks he's like one of his good friends and he's made all these to him great points of psychics are useful. Psychics can defend the populace. We can defend ourselves from psychics with psychics. He's almost like, he wants to show you have to let us know what's going on. That way, we can, again, we can fortify ourselves. We can defend the Imperium against all those psychers and ourselves by knowledge.

So he thinks he's going to show up and go, you know, Aramon made this 47 point plan and gave me all these videos. And I couldn't agree with him more. He's fantastic. Like, we should do. Instead, he called him them deceivers. He called them warlocks. He said that they were a danger to humanity. He effectively called him not humans. Yeah. And they, he just goes, and Aramon is just, at this stage, more sad than anything else watching this happen. Well, I'd say that he's got some inner burning that's going to show up later. Vengeance is coming. So at the end of the meeting, you know, yeah, if you're on what this meeting is, it's really a bunch of people bitching to the emperor.

And then Magnus, of course, gets up and explains, it makes his point, I don't care. They all, they make their point. But even the librarians, the legions, get up and say, look, these are all things we did that was good. But at the end of it, the emperor gets up and says, yeah. Over simplifies it as usual. Yeah, we're done.

The legions are going to disband their librarians. And primarks with sucky powers are never to use them again. Now, two things on this. One, anyone who's covered who listened to our cast in the Horace heresy or read the Horace heresy, you realize they don't do this. At all. Including the loyalists. I mean, there's a whole section in the Siege of Terror where the white scars used their quote-unquote, they just renamed them. That's all they did.

They kept all the same librarians and gave them a new name. I forget what the hell they call them, like stormcasters or something, whatever is. Same thing the room priest. Yeah, yeah. They're harnessing the elements. Yes. Everyone does this. But anyway, he does, but he does ban them.

And so, and primarily attacking the Primark's ability to use psychic powers, was at this stage mostly a swing on Magnus? Because I think he's okay with Sanguance, with flying. Well, it's not even just flying. He's also a pre-cock. Yes, sure, yeah, it's also a precoc. So these are, these rules are more.

He literally just said Magnus stopped doing stuff. Yeah, it's just, they became guidelines. It was the pirate code. It was the pirate code. These are guidelines. So Magnus then pulls his whole leech together after this go. They all leave. He pulls the Legion together.

And this is again, I gotta get my cheat again, John. Magnus thinks he's giving his son's truths, but all he keeps doing is going, hey man, remember the last time we had a heart to heart? I just want you to know that I know I was lying the whole time before then. And then since then, I've also been lying wildly to you.

Nonstop. But here's some potential truth. And so he explained. to his legion about warp, he knows about the chaos entities, and he tells them that there's no way on Earth a thousand sons are going to stop using psychic powers, but we're going to have to keep it a secret. More importantly, he decides that they need to take all of their knowledge needs to be preserved. Because what Magnus did realize is that at some point, someone's going to come knocking on their door saying, burn all this heretic crap you got. So Magnus instructs all of them

to put together all of their known information into the book of Magnus. Because sometimes GW can just name it easily. They effectively make a bunch of tomes of magic, though. They have individual tombs. These all become a compilation, basically, of short magic stories. But all of these, and we'll get into cabals and it soon. You can also tell what year a story was written, because at some point we go from to tom to iPads.

It does happen. And if you read through GW, like the books, as we get into, like, stuff that was written post-2010, all of them tablets come into play. I've noticed this. Anyway. So this now, this pushes arm effectively over the edge. Why? Like, he doesn't, he doesn't go over the edge. This is the fault.

This is his Abidon moment. Yeah, he gets, he gets his suit. He gets his fly suit and he jumps off the cliff. Yeah. He is his best. friend betrayed him. The emperor has betrayed him. His, his prime arc has been lying to him nuts up. Effectively, he realized the entirety of the imperial of mankind is against him, but more really his legion. Because as much as we talk to the word Aramon a lot is him, he does love

his legion. He's, you know, he's also really are getting singled out. They're getting censured left and right. I mean, so did the the word bears, but they were weird. I mean, they also deserved it. whatever. Sorry. So Armand's realization, as Brad was just saying, that Magnus is still giving me the full truth. He's known about this crap the whole time. He also realizes that Magnus is speaking with these chaos gods. It's just, it's too obvious. And that Magnus never cured the flesh curse, but made a deal with these gods to do something. Magnus, it's everything. Armand effectively just figures all of it out. But he also keys in that the emperor is just as bad. Oh, this is a huge deal.

Yeah, exactly. The emperor has turned his back on it. They fought for him. They died for him. And now he just turned his back on them for doing the thing that he made them to do. And he's just telling them, like, I don't care. And you're like, if you know what about this the whole time. And again, he goes back to, hey, man, could you have just saved my brother?

Yeah. Like, and the answer was, yeah, probably if I would have taken eight minutes out of my day. Just like, yeah, I could have easily just removed that whole curse from him made it not an issue. What did you do it? I had other shit that I was doing. The other one, too, is he reaches this element of it's us or them with his legion, in that he views the Thousand Sons as an independent entity. And the other 19 legions, although at this point it's 17,

because now the other two have been redacted, have no, we cannot trust them and we should be ready to fight them at any time. This is pre-heresy, by the way. Not very pre-heresy, but it's pre-heresy. because now we'll dive into the heresy element. How do we tell this stupid story of Magnus and trying to save Horace, but we're doing it. So this is where you still get them.

Magnus did nothing wrong, even though he did tons of stuff wrong. It was the first time he did nothing wrong. Yes. Magnus confides in Arama. Well, he actually tells his what ends up being... Aramon, Amon, a bunch of... Yeah.

Well, the highest-level cabal. he tells him that they're going to save Horace. He's not real specific on saving Horace. He's just Horace is being corrupted. They're going to... You're nowhere near Horace, by the way. They're all just hanging on in Prospero. And this is Guam.

I mean, they were so far away from them. Right. The part of Horace's plan was to send the Space Wolves to Prospero because it's so far away. So Magnus decides that he's going to channel his pocket. powers, pierce the warp. First off, they wants to talk to Horus, basically, which doesn't go well. But then they're going to tell the emperor. Well, no, no. Oh, not yet. Sorry. Not yet. Yeah. So what they're going to do is they're going to channel all the powers and they're going to use this to talk to Horace. But what Magnus confides in in these hikers is, I need you to protect me while I do this. Because the challenge for Horace is the challenge from Magnus is that there are, if he goes into the warp to go talk to

Horace's soul, he's now putting himself right next to all of the demon. And he's also- Demon-Guns. And they're still kind of in their infancy of what they're doing. So he is just pure soul walking through the war. So Aramon and them are all there. And they do. They protect Magnus through this. But as we've discussed, Horace just doesn't listen to Magnus and goes, yeah, I'm going

to take all the power thing. They come out of it and Magnus has to tell them all what happened, which is, hey, it didn't work because there's some other thing going on there. wasn't clear. So again, Aramon has this moment of like, this man is lying to me. Oh, he basically has gone for a while and he does all these things. And then he kind of just tells him, yeah, Horace said no. And it doesn't say anything else. And you're like, I feel like so many other things happen right now. Not much. Aramon does this weird little side thing here, where as we said, he was a precog. So he grabs other precogs and grabs basically a super precog.

And they show a bunch of power with this precog. And Aramon learns. that he gets a vision of the future of the space wolves coming to kill a thousand suns. He knows this is coming. He sees the future of Prospero Burning. By the way, good pictures. Good pictures, yeah. Goes to Magnus with it. Magnus says you're crazy.

I don't know what you're talking about. The next thing that comes up again is now Magnus failed to convince Horace to stay loyal and decides he needs to tell his dad. And his dad isn't picking up the phone. So he uses combined cabal power to pierce through the psychic defenses of the emperor who was trying to create his own webway. And by the way, he was never going to succeed.

We already had Vulcan talk about this. But effectively what happens is Magnus pierces through with the help of his brothers. And in doing so, he basically just goes, oh, my bad, did I just let all of the demons into Terra in the basement? And so the emperor is pretty furious. Around the same time, though, Aramon uses this moment to learn.

Because he's- We piggybacks off this. Well, because he's tied into Magnus's brain while he's piercing the warp. So first, Aramon learns about the existence of demons, but he also starts peering into the truth of the warp. And he starts getting, it's not clean how much information he really gets out of off. He sees the future of the past and everything else. He just sees like a, he does Dr. Manhattan style.

He sees all time at the same time. And then he learns about the existence of demons. He also learns that Magnus was full of shit. Yeah. And has been making deals this whole time. Also making shitty deals. Aramond realizes this right away that, and we're going to talk about Magnus's things that he does because he's trying to weasel his way out of contracts by effectively

getting himself killed. which is the dumbest shit ever. But Aramon sees all of this at the same time. Does he understand everything? No, because you just got hit by all of the knowledge of creation real quick. And you're like, how'd that go for it? It's a matter of an instant. Yeah.

One thing he does see, which is, fortunately a bit, is Magnus shielding them from seeing outside of Prospero. He doesn't really understand what's going on, but understands that for some reason, their abilities as precogs is limited to just Prospero. The reason that this is going on is, as Brad alluded to a second ago, Magnus knows that Lehman's coming. As we discussed before, the emperor gets obviously kind of pissed at Magnus doesn't believe that Horace has turned on him and sends Lehman Russ to go have an unpleasant chat with Magnus. Well, Horace also intercepts this and turns it from chat to destroy the Thousand Sun's homeworld and all of that.

Just kill everyone. And Lehman's kind of on team. Yeah, that's a better interpretation. And Lehman should have known better, but he's already so pissy with them that he's like, this sounds like a great. That's a much better interpretation. Yeah, like I kind of was hoping that was going to be the interpretation. So I'm on my way.

Magnus knows this is happening. Magnus is trying. Magnus is going full emo right now. Yeah. He's sad. He feels that he's been manipulated because he has been, even though he was trying to be the manipulator. He's sad that his dad was mean to him.

He's sad that he's been literally puppeted his whole life. Yep. And he has an agreement, basically, that the entire legion's going to come to Zeech, follow, and everything else. And he's like, well, best way to get out of this, I'll just let everybody kill me. Yep. Well, Rale, Eeyore. It was his plan was to allow the space wolves to kill all the thousand sons. And in doing so, including himself, Zinche wouldn't get his deal.

What a stupid idea. Also, Aramon, not really down with that scene. Yeah, no one knows this. So the assault begins. And so the space wolves, because of Magnus, arrive in orbit and no one, the Thousand Suns don't even see them. The Thousandons aren't even aware they're there until the bombardment begins. The Thousand Sons, of course, grab guns and said, all right, let's go defend ourselves. And Magnus is telling them,

No, don't fight back. It's a lame to go hang out and go hang on the city. It's okay. Don't fight back. And Aramon just says, screw you. And Aramon leads the Legion out to go and fight the Space Wolves. One of my more enjoyable parts of this is that as Aramon leads his Legion out, he senses Worm Drake is actually on one of the ships and just says, well, this is time.

and does something I find super cool. He, him and Wormdrake have a battle of the minds, which, whatever. He wrecks him like bad. He wrecks him better. Wormdrake has no play here. He gets in the Wormdrake's mind

and he gives Wormdrake all the knowledge. He shows him how he sees the future. Yeah. He just says that he shows him how the Imperium's going to collapse. Horace is going to do this. All these things to make Worm Drake see why he should be on the side of Aramon. And as soon as Wormdrake,

gets with information, he then takes Worm Drake's soul and gives it to chaos and lets them feast on his soul for eternity because he wanted it to hurt that much more. Yeah. It's badass, actually.

I'll be honest, there was super bad. Aramon got his on that. Yeah, yeah, it's super badass. Around this time, Magnus just can't watch his Legion suffer anymore and goes out to fight Lehman, which we've discovered that wasn't going to go

well. But as before he goes out there, he pulls Aramon aside and gives him the book of Magnus, which is the ultimate tomb of knowledge. This is, I'm foreshadowing. I'm going to be honest with you, one episode ahead here is why this matters. But notice Aramon has the book. That's important. Kind of. Kind of important. Magnus gets wrecked. I mean, he did break his back over his knee. Over his knee by Lehman. And then he's, screw you, man. This is why I like Aramont so much more than like Magnus. I'm going to ran. I don't care.

Because in the end, Magnus, by the way, is wildly popular now. wildly powerful and popular. Right. But he just out of nowhere just is like, okay with dying. I'm just going to do this. And Zinich is like, come on. Yeah. That's his whole sales pitch.

You don't have to do this. And Magnus goes, you're right. And immediately in a blink, all of the thousand sons disappeared. the whole world. The entire world disappears into the warp and... It becomes the planet of the sorcerers. He just basically pulls it off and they're all... Magnus becomes a demon prince.

The thousand sons are now completely tied, period, irrecobily, from two zingh. And he solved nothing but getting his head kicked in and letting a lot of people die. Nothing has changed. The prophecy has been fulfilled. Yep. So here they are.

And from there, we're going to stop because the next chunk is going to be Aramon's, he haven't even fallen. His rise, like I said, we can do him in two, Abadden took three. We can do him in two. So on our next cast, we're going to go through and we're going to cover the rise of Aramon, I call the individual under the powers of chaos. But as a just a recap, so if he's following along the whole episode, Aram really was not a bad person at this point.

He is a very, I don't know, uh, he's conflicted. Yeah, he's conflicted, but he's completely. He does have a lot of hate in his heart. He's actually, we'll do it Star Wars style. He has a lot of fear in his heart. That's what I would say, you do. He's just, he was trying to do good. He's betrayed by everyone he trusted.

And he's now sitting in the imiterium with his entire legion because his prime he betrayed him now with his soul being given to a chaos god. So he's pretty pissed off. And next week we'll kind of conclude this story and take us up to right about 10th edition. but with that, as always, please go to leave us a positive review on Spotify, just positive. Join the Discord page. This interaction in Discord really is fantastic. People, we now have a meme page.

People are showing off their artwork. We're discussing past and potentially future episodes. It's become a really great repository and something that gives Brad and I a lot of joy during the day as our phones ding. And we get, ooh, notification on Discord. Oh, a piece of candy. Yeah. So with that, I'm John Barcides. Bradchester.

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