The 40k Lorecast - Episode 32 - What is a Space Marine & what is Space Marine Power Armor

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

On today's quite long episode we talk about what is a Space Marine. We realized we could not talk about a Space Marine without also talking about their power armor. Rather than make two short episodes we just did a super long one. Today we start by talking about how a Space Marine is recruited, tested, and then turned into a Space Marine. Do at least 2 of the organs serve no function? Yes! We then we dive into what happens when you add a super suit of armor to a super soldier. *Spoiler alert* some of the lore around what can and can not negatively affect a space marine does not line up great with the tabletop rules *cough cough, night fighting. poison weapons, popping smoke, cough cough*PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast with me, John Barcati and Bradchester. This guy. Today we're doing its pseudo-double episode. First, we're going to talk about how a space marine is created and then dive into their greatest asset, which is their armor. Also, watch the video of a space marine getting armored. It is pretty awesome.

Which one? The actual video or the opening of StarCraft, too? But both. But the actual video is super sweet. It is. I'm just going with that. I mean, they have a full team, including servitors, priests, of course, giving prayers because you can't put on armor if you don't have prayers.

Also, if any of you are not aware of the Astardis videos off YouTube, those, you can still find them. It's just type in Astartis into YouTube. And it was a fan-made animation that is amazing. And it's going to dive into a theme of this episode. We'll get to in a second. But before we do that, again, like and subscribe to the podcast. I'm supposed to say that apparently.

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we are desperately hoping that you have an answer for us. We have changed episodes because of input we've gotten in there. We've changed. I am now sitting closer to the microphone after trying for a while not to have to. I was really enjoying sitting back on my couch. I'm trying to not eat the microphone also. We're both. It's funny.

I've moved like a foot and a half closer and Brad's just about to be strapped into his chair. So he can't get any closer. So like we're actively trying to fix things. If you guys have tech, anything, notes, we will not bang on the table like I just did because it solves. It makes horrible.

When I edit, I do love listening to Brad like bang on a table or you can hear us pouring wine. You can my bulldog who's like upstairs. She's a flooring upstairs earlier. That dog tried to murder me. Yeah, she's cute. She's trying to murder you. She just, you had a sandwich and you were trying to walk down the stairs.

And her concern was if she took her eyes off said sandwich, maybe she wouldn't get any. So fuck you in your legs. I have a hard time going down those stairs without the bulldog. Thank you very much. Anyway, back to what we're talking about today. It was a space marine space marine Harvard. And I want to give you a disclaimer. When you talk about the lore of space marines and how they're

created and the powers they wield, the armor they wield, you will want to build a space Marine army because they are the coolest thing ever. But you will do exactly what I did. Yeah. This is a real thing. You will listen to this lore. You will think these guys are, they're superheroes. They should be part of the Avengers.

Yep. And then you will make your army and have what I did. I did in chaos, but the same thing. And you will be shot by two guys with plasma guns and your unit will die. and you will go, but don't I have superpowers and I should kill all of those guys in the fluff? Yes, but in the game, none of those things apply. In the game, you don't.

Like, we're even, there are very few gulfs in 40K wider than the lore of a space marine and power armor and their function on the tabletop. The only one wider, and we're going to cover this, is a space marine and Terminator armor. They are. Oh. So we're going to dive into this. We're going to talk about it. But I'm sorry in advance for those of you who can hear this and go, I can't wait. I'm getting, I'm going to put these on the table.

I'm getting five tactical Marines and I'm going to go wreck shop. Own. These guys will kill everyone. My five tactical Marines are going to lose to 10 guardsmen. And I'm not going to figure out this math out. So let's start with the beginning, though. We've covered some of this before so some we can hit a little bit quicker. But the space marine project. The space marine project was made by the emperor to conquer the galaxy. They are the greatest warrior in the galaxy. Well, the greatest warriors of the galaxy, not just because they are bigger, faster, stronger. They are also smarter, more adaptable, learn faster than anyone else. They can take in monstrous amounts of information.

Their HUD display is a nightmare. It is just stuff. All of us would. you have a seizure and fall over. If you saw what they did, and that's just what they take in while having lunch. Yeah. And these guys adapt faster, take it information faster. They are bigger, faster, stronger, but also smarter, tactically sound.

And they can fight anywhere. They're made to fight literally anywhere. It doesn't matter. Cold, hot, toxic world, doesn't matter. Middle space. They can fight in zero gravity. Vacuum. Does not.

matter. But Brad's laughing because my notes say they're bigger, faster, stronger than the opposition. All right. They're not, not than orcs, but very much so than TAP. So.

But let's not the first one. Let's talk about his, well, he did exactly what he needed to do. So first we have the Thunder Warriors. The Thunder Warriors are the guys in the video games that you XP, you kill to get to power your character up. Well, yeah, the

Thunder Warriors were just PEDs. He just filled them with, you know, 40th millennia. Just steroids. They were, they were still humans. Like the Thunder Warriors were not manipulated. But barely. I mean, they're. Well, also genetically engineered. A fun point on the, on the Thunder Wars, though, which I didn't realize until I was rereading the lore, the Thunder Warriors that the Emperor employed were actually not that different than some of the other techno-barbarians. This was technology. The Thunder Warrior technology was stuff the other warlords had. He just did it a little bit better. You also had the emperor leading you, though. Yeah, he added a few extra tricks to it.

It's just also you have a demi got at the time, the beginning of your sphere formation. Yeah, they were, but they were effectively barbarians. They took them, like, they roydraged these guys to a different level. I mean, so much so that the stories that surround the Thunder Warriors fight, the level of death that the Thunder Warriors left in their wake. Oh, they're just modern, yeah, quote-quote, modern scholars refuse to believe the stories are true because they couldn't believe any human could fight like that. Well, it's also that they also didn't think that the, I mean, the emperor was a savage

when he was taken back Tara. He cracked mountains in half, just because he was doing, he was, anything the emperor did bad after that, when he decided to reunify Tara, he was. was brutal. Nothing survived. Nothing. So at the end of the unification war, though,

the emperor kind of realized, the truth is he knew well before this. As soon as he made a thunder war. He was going to... There was going to be a lot of guys shot in the back of the head. So he made, he knew he had to make something better.

And his next attempt actually wasn't the Space Marine, it were the custodes. And he, this is actually Custodes are, well, sorry, Marine fans. The custodes are his crowning achievement. Oh, by far. Custode is a- It's not even close.

Yeah. But I need to mass-produce Marines. Yeah, the issue with this custod. So the thing about custodes is custodes were just almost genetically rewritten. You take a being and they were, he's, they're never very clear how you make a custod effectively because they hasn't made one in a while. But they are, they are unlike space, Marines where, and we'll get to their process very shortly, obviously.

Well, that's the thing is, is they, he used like this, it's a long drawn-out process where he kind of psychically, perfectly mixes everything. And the problem is, is that while he's doing this, it takes a huge amount of time. And also, I also broke a thousand of them to make one. Yeah, less the, the math, I think, is less than one in a thousand survive the process. And it's also a big process. Yeah. So, like, he spends all of this time and then,

goes whoopsie and snaps off the head at the end. And you go, damn it. Next. Stupid resin models. Exactly. Fine cast. Yeah, all of us who worked in pewter back in the day are like,

well, I guess he's like, the thing is, is he knows that this is not going to work. Now, how badass are they custodes per story? One of my favorite stories. This is actually one of the newer ones,

is as we discussed before, at the crowning achievement of the emperor's unification of Terra, every single Thunder Warrior gave his life the last one to raise the flag for the emperor in a great victory. That story sounds like it's like bullshit. Yeah. It's so. They had their victory, and then the emperor called all the Thunder Warriors together

for another meeting. And when we say all of Thunder Warriors, tens of thousands at least. Also, side question, is Veldor a bigger deal? than the emperor is. Because he's in charge of all the bad stuff. Valdoer gives zero Fs about what he's being told to do. Like, as much as first company,

as much as the First Legion was out there doing stuff for the emperor, Valdoar thought that stuff was adorable. Yeah, like he's in charge of all the bad projects. So there are about, there's tens of thousands of Thunder Warriors, not unarmed, by the way, all standing somewhere.

In walks of Valdoer with a few, a few hundred custodes and like a thousand or so of the most of the newest prototype space marines. They're not from the best versions of the space. Yeah. First edition of the space marine project. Beak helmets. Yeah. No, beaks were later.

Beaks are like five. Beaks are Mark two. Yeah. No, four. Beaks are Mark six. A beak, no way.

Beaks are Mark one is like we're getting it. I know because it's on. Well, I know it's on Mark one. Yeah. It's like page 15 of our notes. But anyway, these, so tens of. tens of thousands of Thunder Wars who just conquered the entire planet

of Terra with brutality and almost with ease all are surely thereafter dead by Valdoer and a few hundred custodes. You know, I'm redoing this. You said what was the biggest discrepancy Marines than Terminator?

It's custod. Yeah, you're right. One custod just trucks. Yeah. In fact, we both know custod players who listen to this cast and were probably screaming that at us earlier. So we've caught up to you. You're correct, guys. It's the custodes that are the most underperforming.

And we will talk about them later because the custodes, well, don't need the black carapace for one. Yeah. The custodes are. So this was been great, but the problem is that the emperor just can't make enough of them. As great as the custodes are, he just doesn't have the ability to sit there and build an army of them. So he goes with his final group. And the thing is, is that the emperor knows how to make the perfect soldier,

but he needs to make more. But he needs a soldier that can fight in yes. I am taking the galaxy over. I need guys that can fight anywhere. And again, I need them to be smart. I need them to be efficient. I need them to be durable. I need them to shake off minor damage because I need to go forward.

But I also, unlike the custodes, need them to be somewhat expendable. Yep. And that was the problem with the custodes. He couldn't build an expense. indible force with the custodes. So he's, thanks to a certain chat he had with the chaos gods, he figured out how to make a super soul. This never has any ramifications, of course.

Yeah, the course, and the nice thing is, even though the prime marks got scattered away from, he still had enough the genetic template to make what he, to get what he needed to create the gene seeds and the organs, which we're going to get to in a minute. He then takes this and we're going to keep using the word nanotechnology, because it's easier than actually explaining something. This game's going to be tougher when we actually

get nanotechnology. It's when it doesn't work anything like that. It's going to be like when people try to say, hey, this is a hoverboard. And all of us, we're like, no, it's not. Yeah. Yeah, it's no part of that's a hoverboard. But we'll start there with, before we get into kind of how you make a space marine, we'll start about where a space marine comes from.

Still a regular bro. Yeah, space means, they're just humans. They're born. You need to earn it. They are all children. In order to become a space marine, you need to be around 10 years old. Yeah, but they, they, yeah. they kind of hold these at different ages

because now, every Marine chapter has a different horrific shit that they do to you. Oh, we're getting there. But it's around 8 to 14, but it's for the most parts around 10 years old. We'll just throw out like space was for instance, go, hey, here's your loincloth and possibly a stick.

Go fight a Fenreesian wolf, which is basically a dire wolf. Yep. And come back. You're like, I'm barefoot and it's Neg 10, you're like, I don't understand what the question is. Go figure it out. Yeah, you figure it out. After you kill this beast, like, where is hiding? Walk back here. The thing about, as we talk about the 40K being grim dark, this is probably one of the more grim dark elements of it. The Space Marine chapters need to bring in their recruiting killers. That's what they are recruiting. And they also have to make numbers. And they make them more killies. So their first thing they do is they all recruit from places that are horrible.

One of the most common ones, as we covered in a couple episodes again, are hive worlds. Hive worlds are great. The hive worlds are full of, I mean, again, we're talking about children here. Yeah, we're talking about. What GEO does like to talk about is that this is all child soldiers originally. So when you're on a hive world, and this also made me laugh. So this is a story that makes me laugh in a kind of a, in a terrible way. In a gallows humor sense.

So the space marines are trying to recruit. incredibly violent people from the hive worlds. So if you're living on a hive world and there's this super violent gang of like eight-year-olds who are just like murdering everyone you know, you can't, you can call the Arbytes, but they're not going to do anything about it because the imperial fists are actually going to recruit these guys. And the Arbites are also pretty pissed because they're like, hey man, you guys don't have enough guys for us to take.

You're like, oh, we broke up the gang. Son of a bitch. Exactly. Yeah, the Arbites can't do anything. because the arguments don't be yelled at by the Imperial Fist for killing one of their recruits. So, yeah, just a horrible place to live. The Imperium sucks to live. Oh, yeah.

Once selected, though, this little space marine, this child, just, it's by way, it's always a boy. It's not because GW's sexist. There's a reason. Actually, it is because they're sexist, but it's just, it's also, it's also easier for making models, to be honest. It's hard to make male and female models. It's with the Drew Carrey, I think. think are the only ones that actually have that? Because witches are females or are any other.

They could be male or female now. But in the witch I know. All our can because banshees and. Banshees have me. I'm trying to think through like I know because actually all elder models can be male female. But they're the only ones, right? I mean, I guess Tereids might be, we just wouldn't know. We wouldn't know. Exactly. And orcs are fungus. Anyway, but once selected for this, the child leaves wherever they're from and they will, you almost never see their home world again. Which, who cares? They could not be happier. I was just say, because everything sucked where you last from.

Now, one of the fun things about this next piece is once they leave this, they become what's called a neophyte, also known as a scout marines. They are not always this young. Okay. Because John talks shit about me here. I'm talking shit on, Brad. So, yeah, your scout marines are children who are trying to become space marines. I run so many scouts, by the way. Brad used to love to run scouts.

And what did you use your scouts for, Brad? Screening out. Yeah. So Brad was sacrificing children so that his, so my good units wouldn't get smoked. Wouldn't get killed by Alpha Striking Orks. Look, man. Timmy should have known better. It's just a dark way to look at it. Thanks for your sacrifice, Timmy.

Yeah. So all of you, everyone here who uses, was in his skills. However, my heavy weapons squad didn't get killed. Yeah, the heavy weapons squad was great. Yeah. So good job, Brad. way to sacrifice the children for the success of your army. Anyway, to kind of go what Brad was talking about earlier, these neophytes go through a number of trials to earn the right to become a space marine. Because a space marine doesn't actually, they do get taught how to fight,

but they're not looking to have to educate you. They want you to be a raw fighter. Well, yeah. One of the biggest thing is, is they're looking for the best of the best, and they're weeding them out now. Yeah. They want the physically, they're going to, going to juice you up with we're going to go over all lot of stuff but they want to start with

the best instincts the biggest the fastest the most the most violent the mostly that one mostly that one they want they want the warriors that will survive no matter want and part of that is because they're going to implant you and surround you with healing so your ability to survive they can take care of they need to make sure that you can can always fight. So they go through quite a lot of trials. It's also a super mental test. The Marines have to fight in essence. You say mental. They're not taking the medical boards. You know, these guys are. I'm saying mentalism. You have to be able to deal with horrific. Your life as a space marine is holy shit. I just fought a demon. I just thought a high time.

That's true. Because an imperial guardsman has an expected life lifespan of 15 hours once deployed. Right. A space submarine is years. Yeah. And some of that's technology, but a lot of that is they just couldn't fight better. Correct. But they also have to be able to deal with the fact they shall know, no fear starts in the beginning. Yeah.

There is no running away. Yes. So the first ones that they're going to go into are trials by combat, which is when they take a bunch of these. I keep saying children, shove him in a glider. Making it weird, John. I know it's more fun that way. Shown in a gladiatorial pit and make them fight each other in like in, you know, in the kumatee until a certain number of left standing. How many are left standing?

How many are left standing? Yeah. That many are left standing. It is wildly different. And I'm not going to give any chapter shit on this, but like some chapters are a little bit better about this than others. And certain chapters have a different style of fighting. There's a lot different between if you're fighting in the iron hands or. or if you're fighting in the space wolves,

they want something different. Yeah. So you're going to go about... You have to have a calculator. You got to be able to file your T-9 reports. You are filing a T-N. It's a race for who can file the most TPS reports. TBS reports.

Have you got those in on times? The next one they go into are trials of survival, which is, I mean, the space wolves just combine some of these with some of the guys... That one's brutal, though. Space was are hardcore. Effectively, there's taking the neophytes

and they're going to just dump drop you somewhere. It's arid. It's cold. It's barren. No food, no water. Here's a stick. And like I said, some of them, aka the space marines, do both of the same time. You have to kill and survive. You come back. And once, this is a big deal. Once you get past this, well, there's one more. You also have trials of skill. You have to do one more. Although this varies. I would say this varies wildly. Yeah, the trials of skill in the space wolves is more like, can you drink a bunch of. Yeah, but in this one, though, this is a big thing, though, because I really think that once you get to the trial, the skill trials, though, you're in. I'm saying,

you're already in, though. Once you survived, they, now they're, they're getting a mentor. You know, I mean, they're, they want you to succeed now. That's true. Yeah, the trials of skill or stuff like Ravenguard are going to want you to display using stealth. Ultramarines want you to display tactics. Imperial fists are going to build the biggest sandcast. But they're, but they're trying to show you now. Right. As before they went. figure it out. Now they went, okay, he's tough enough. Yeah, the Raven Guard, we've all played video games. It's that, it's that task in the early part of the video game where you have to learn how to use stuff. You know, that's what they're kind of going with. It's like, all right, try ducking.

But for these guys, it is a big thing on this is that they're, they are actively teaching you now. That's very true. So like before, no, when you, when you're going through the, the, the, martial skills. The combat or the survival thing. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah, they're taking a ship, they kick you out the door. Good luck. Figure it out. Once you figure out that you are worthy of that, then the skill test becomes it's a test,

but also they're guiding you now. They're giving you time and effort and everything else. Once you've achieved all this, they now have marked you to move from Neophyte to Space Marines. So you're no longer screening out orcs in Brad's army. You're welcome. Yeah. In order to do this, we have to make you bigger,

stronger, faster. And the way we do that is gene seed implantation. Okay. I got to get my thing together because people think that a gene seed is this one, like it's of the pituitary gan. Yeah.

Like it's like flick a marble into you. Nope. Gene seed is a shitload of stuff. It's 19 implants that they shove in you. These implants are, they're all nanomachines, obviously, but they call them organs. They're not entirely organs.

They're just mechanical things, but they also have... They're body modifications. Yeah, but they also have some of the genetics of your primark built into there. And then these genes will recode your genes. All right. If anyone listening is or has graduated from medical school... You will throw bananas at us right now. I'm so sorry about what you're about to listen through.

And those or any of you who haven't done that and just understand the basics of biology, I also apologize for what we're about to go through. I'm going to try not to rant on one of them because it's... I wrote these notes. There's a lot of rants. There's one that really bothers me. There's a lot of rants. So, once we begin this,

this process of implanting these 19 organs takes about four to six years. It used to be six. They've been advancements as we've gotten close to the 41st millennia to get down to four, but then they added in three more implants because of the primaris marines. And this is, people are dying. in this, not as many as custodes or anything, but. Well, yeah, they do just die. I mean, that's the problem.

As you're doing these implants at any time, one of these implants might kill you. And they don't want to because during this time, they are giving you the full spectrum of teaching on what it is to be a Marine. And when I say the full spectrum, these guys are, if you are awake, you are busy training and learning. period. That is, there is no way, you don't get playtime. You know, we are on go time. We'll be right back after a quick break. And so the very first implant they do is called the secondary heart. It's just a mini robotic heart. Which would be the primary heart because it's an awesome nano heart. Yeah. It works like wildly better than your regular heart. It's the backup heart. It says it in the book. It functions, both does a backup, and it also injects the main heart with steroids and amphetamines. Brad's upset because his heart sucks. Yeah. This sounds so much better than my heart.

My heart is trash. It hurts half pig parts. This heart's amazing. It's very true. I also did make a note here that they just shove a backup heart in the human body. I don't know where it fits. Anyone who knows how biology, like there's not a bunch of open space just in your your rib cage for no reason.

By the way, I haven't read the whole thing on here. Yeah. There is going to be a part where they make people bigger. This is why the space brains are way bigger. But it's like down the road. No, it's next. Yeah, there's what I'm saying. It's not the first thing they do is shove something in you that there's no space for.

The second thing they do is an implant that makes your bones grow to make more space. Yeah. Why don't I not have? I'd like to just do the first two parts of the space rain. Oh, you'd be so happy. I'd be tall. my heart wouldn't suck. It seems amazing.

The next one is called the osmodula. And it's an implant that just changes the bone structure of a space marine. So, you know, I actually did rather know. If you want to shove a new heart in, new organs, and you should have started with the one to make more space. But anyway, this greatly increases the size of space marine. And I might give you, I'm going to give you, I'm going to credit. This actually is the one thing they wrote that does make some sense biologically.

What it does is it allows the bones of your bones. body to actually absorb some of the seramite that's in your, that's in your digestion. So your bones can actually hold more weight and then can get longer. But also, it's a big deal because this is like growth hormone to the 10th part. That's scre you. I wrote a Brad's staring at me right now waiting for me to make the joke about his height and his need for an osmodula, but he beat me to it earlier. I had a hunch he would get there first.

The only issue I have with the osmodula. is it also, for whatever reason, fuses all of their ribs together to make a solid, to make a solid rib cage. This is so, this is why I said I was going to rant. This is so stupid. By the way, there's wildly sci-fi things that are dumber than this, but fusing your ribcage is so stupid. To protect the internal organs. It makes no sense. It's literally how we breathe.

The way I take a breath is my diaphragm experience. Oh, that's part two of my right, right, my part one of this. is that your diaphragm then wouldn't be able to expand so your lungs would, you would suffocate. Two, you couldn't bend down. I hope you don't drop your bolter because you can't get it. I mean, literally, I don't know how many of you have ever entered a rib. Try wiping your ass when you've bruised a rib. I mean, those of you who've met me in person and said, why I know this, I've been doing

jiu-jitsu for almost 20 years. I've busted some ribs over the years. I have almost cried trying to wipe my ass and decided, do I care? about it. I have a day for a reason. Yeah. And that's me, that's me not wanting to move. Not, these guys physically can't move their rib cage.

So, they have as much range of movement as the model. Yeah. Sorry. There we go. The next one that goes in is the Biscopa. The Biscopa is East G.H. That's just all it. The problem with this is the order, and I'm nitpicking here,

because you have to give the bones and the, G.H at the exact same time, or nothing works. So, yeah, sure. I know. I know I just, I know I went, the logic of the sci-fi. I'm still obsessed with the Marines have a solid ribcage. I know

we're going nuts about sci-fi Marine. The 40,000th year Marine, we're like, I don't think that we're, as we're pushing our glasses up with the tail. You guys, actually technically, but does a radius and Olna also fuse together? But this one is, the next two are fantastic,

but let's do them together because it they go together the biscopa yeah and that well the heiomester is just the lance armstrong drug right but it goes together oh that's true yeah you're right they would go together so yeah the biscopa is just puts a bunch of hg in so the biscopa triggers the muscle growth so we've now randomly an extra heart for no reason but then we these are two are awesome yes yeah now we now your bones grow massively so as soon as your bones grow massively and your bones are denser so they can carry more weight now we're going to shove a bunch of muscle on top of that but anyone who who understands a problem of putting a lot of muscle on is your cardio will then suffer. So then the H. Hey, mustaum goes in, which I call the Lance Armstrong implant, because those you don't know what, what Armstrong got caught with, it was injecting himself the red blood cells. EPO, baby.

Yeah. So he goes through, he goes through, the space submarine then goes through and gets now the ability, so I'm now taller, I've got more muscle, and my body can now move more red blood cells to actually feed those muscles. And all these things aren't, it moves a little. I'm not an athlete in the 20th century. We're talking, I can now jump over a bus. Yeah, this is a like 20, this is like the best, you know, European, like world football or American football.

Either of those athletes, rugby, name it. Like, you know, those, for the Australians, this thing, Jonah Loma. Like, like, that person going back. to like Roman times. That's the difference. That's the golf we're talking about these guys' athletic ability. Just they're going to,

no one's ever seen this. They can run, they can stay awake for days. Well, we're not there yet. No, but I'm saying like, even just this.

These guys are bigger, stronger, faster than anything that's ever walked, any human being that's ever walked here. Just in here, they are, we've got so many other things. Not a custod.

Sorry. As they're doing this, by the way, the custodes are giggling in the corner. Yeah. But these guys are just, so fast, so strong, and they can fight for longer, and they have the cardio to go with it. So they can just do these things forever.

Now we need to move into the organs that kind of help with combat. The first one is the Laramons. I mean, this is the organ, by the way. You could stop here. We're going to get a billion other things. But this is the one that is needed when I said that the emperor only wants to push forward. So you have to have, hey, I can't. can't have triage being my, you know, half of my force.

So this is, I mean, it's the clotting. It makes for clots. If you, a space marine in combat, let's just say you slice them with a sword. As soon as your sword finishes clearing their body, they will scab up instantly. They do. The space marines basically don't bleed unless you put a giant hole in them. This means that they can continuously fight all throughout. There's never, very rare.

need for an apothecary unless there's incredible damage. And this allows them to survive long enough for the apothecary to get there and provide the treatment. In the tech they have is fairly regenerative anyways. So the biggest thing is don't die, continue to fight is the big. It's a two-parter. Don't die, but by not dying, I need you to also keep running that way. Yeah, they can, and so this is why a space marine, not in the,

tabletop could take on 30 or 40 Imperial Guardsman, especially in hand-to-hand combat because he's not going to get tired. Every blow he hits on an Imperial Guardsman kills one of them because of the prior ones. And every time the guardsman inflict a wound in the Space Marine, it's healing before the next one comes in. They can Julius Caesar him, and he will, if Julius Caesar was a space marine, he would have wreck that Senate. Yeah, Brute would have had the Et-2 Brutei would have been a much better line. Yeah, that would have been a finishing line. The next one, of course, that kicks out of this is called the Calus catalepsyan node. This just allows them to not sleep.

I'm going to tell you what it is. I'm going to tell you where they got it from. First, it allows the spaceman to turn off half their brains. They can actually function and can rest their brain. What a clever idea. Where could you ever thought of that, GW? This is literally what dolphins do. Like this, they just stole this idea from how dolphins function.

Sometimes you got to write something quick. Fun story, though, the current record for most time without sleep was a crimson fist fighting the orcs who did 328 hours of active combat. That's several. My note is looking at you, Crystal Meth Lab and Walla Walla. I know you guys got this. I live in Washington State. I believe in you people. I believe in you.

This one makes me angry. Now we're moving into some of the dumber ones. The pre-omner. This is the no-food poisoning note. It's just, it is, it. But it also supposed to like basically make it, not food poisoning. It's also supposed to make that you can ingest anything. Yeah, it's for food poisoning.

I know, but they get poisoned all the time. That's how you get. That's what food poisoning is. They get poisoned all the time in the game. But it sits in their digestive tract. That's my problem. It's for food poisoning. And we're going to get into later, much later, space brains don't eat.

So anyway, it's a, it is there. It sits in their digestive tract and it makes it so if the space marine ingest something, bad, you know, they don't get sick. And I know it has nothing to do with this game, but I assume is this how Taco Bell won the franchise wars? A reference only a few of you will get, but those of you who do will know how to use shells. Now, this is one that doesn't get used at all in the game.

I mean, maybe barely. I can't think of time in the lore. It doesn't even go in the lore because they went away from this right away. Yeah. homophagia. They just didn't, they just haven't retconned it. This is the one where a space marine, they have a crew powers. Yeah, let me kind of get my soul together on this because the words coming out of my mouth are so stupid.

It's going to hurt my brain. All right. So space marine can pick something up that it's dead, eat it, and then learn its memories from its DNA. That this never, ever ever comes. I honestly think, I'm actually amazed they didn't just remove it from the game. because it's so objectively stupid. Well, I mean, crude have it right now. It makes no sense and is objectively stupid.

I mean, you're not wrong, but crude have it right now. Crute just made... But they've never used... This goes in zero, street. There's no... There's one story. There's one key story, because the whole reason... The red thirst is the blood...

The whole reason the Blood Angels have the red thirst is something about this organ and sanguineas's genes creates a design. desire to eat people. Looking at you, Flesh dares. Yeah. Like, good job with me. Cool army.

Nice. I like the color scheme. Sorry, Gabriel, but fix your freaking chapter. Yeah. Just, ew. From there,

we move on to another one of the, like, odd ones where just... Which is still the, this is... The multi-long. Sorry. I'm going to get my cheat back together

because, again, something that semi works on me. Yeah. Their third lung is so much better than the other two. Yeah, it's very confusing in this game. Maybe this is because I, you know,

we talk about being RPG. people. Brad and I are hardcore D&D guys. I played rifts. So rifts, what had had bionics and cybernetics in it. So my head, I'm like, why don't you just replace the lungs with the multi lungs? Right. And you'll never have a problem. So instead, they added a third lung. Where you put it, I have no idea. But there's a third lung. Another reason why, it's a screw you 40K. You couldn't, you shouldn't be able to poison my Marines because this exists. Well, no, this is via air. Come on, Brad. And so the third lung, half the poisons that are shot or airborne toxins. No, they avoid the digestive tract and the respiratory tract.

That's how it gets in there. Come on, your car can aim. Like syringes? Yeah, that's what it is just to sneak up behind them. The third line is amazing. It's literally, it is a full filter. Yeah, full filter and oxygen source. It actually has a backup of oxygen.

So actually where it can take over and feed the space marine in that area. This is... This next one I actually, I like. a lot. And Brad, another one Brad could use, the oculob. Nice shitty eyes, too. You can see a distance. You just can't see what the colors are. Well, I also can't see that well, period. Okay, fair enough. All right. Well, the oculob are super eyes. So they actually, this goes behind the eyes. So it actually doesn't replace their eyes. It is a, it gives a space marine the ability to have just beyond perfect vision, like perfect clarity.

But they can also see in low light. So they can be at night underground. Yeah, they can see. They have basically night vision, old, they have dark vision. Yeah, they have dark vision, but they also can see through smoke and fog, which is really cool. So even with obstructed views, they can get through. They can save a lot of money. It does make you hilariously

in the fact that for a long time, in the game, we had night fight roles. Yeah, and the Space Marines had to abide by them. Yeah. And we're going to get into what the Space Marine helmet does. Don't get me started on this. Somehow, we're at night fight. I'm so sorry, everybody. Like, Brad and I,

when I wrote this, my original plan was for us to talk about how amazing the space marines are and let you all discover. But it's just, this is making Brad and I have these moments of like, God damn it. Like just, we both have had space Marine armies. For six editions of a game, night fight existed. Yeah. It was a rule. It's a stupid rule.

Well, I mean, 41st millennium and you're like, so nobody has dark vision? You're like, no one can fight at night. That's complicated. Also, smoke grenade actually works. You're like you said it doesn't. Yeah. I pop smoke. I popped smoke.

Cool. Does it look cool? We're in a rave. see right through it. Do you pop your glow sticks also? One of the more weird ones, but it's, this one actually, I actually like this a lot. This is incredibly useful. It's just, but again, it's incredibly useful

in war. Yeah, the Lyman's Eve. So the Space Marines ears are better. And what they allow them to do is it gives them two things. One, they can hear, you know, minuscule sounds. They can track. Yeah, but more importantly. I would say wildly more More importantly, loud, they can hear through loud noises. So in the middle of a roar of battle, a space marine without a helmet on can speak to me, can talk to another space ring with now to helmet on and they'll hear each other, clear as day, which is astronomic when you figure out, when you, when you, we spend some time going to the

weaponry that space marines use, it's not quiet. It also, all right, fun story, lists them as being immune to sonic attacks. Except for. Except for noise marines, howling banshees, The screams of towel players when they roll a one on their rail gun. Oh, they also don't get dizzy so space marines can go to a roller coaster. Yeah, they have no inner year problems. What's the place in Ohio you all go to for roller coasters?

Cedar Point. Cedar Point. Space Marines would just go nuts on Cedar Point. I'm 42 years old. I was in London with my son at Winter Wonderland. We did one of those kids roller coasters. There's like three laps. I was dizzy.

Like I got off and went, oh, God, when he gets older, I am so screwed. I'm going to go to the park dad. I don't know. It takes someone else. Anyway, on to the next one. This one's weird. And I think comes up.

Well, it's come up more in the primarks. Yeah, I think it comes up. But it's one of those ones that I understand why doesn't go up in the lore very much because it's not, it's more. Anyway. Because you don't care about Ted the Marine. Well, it's also the, yeah, you're right. You just don't know. So the membrane is, it basically lets them go into suspended animation.

by themselves. So they go into a coma if they're grievously injured, which allows them to have more time that have somebody fix them. And this makes a lot of sense if you're a robot. That's not how it works. Like when you're like our bodies already do this. But yes. But I'm just saying in stories, several primers have had this happen. I understand. But Bobby G had this at him. Yeah. Our bodies already do this. Look, man. I just say, They added in or this organ may not have gotten delivered. And they're like, yeah, we totally put it in. That's what I'm getting at.

It's like, we told you at 19. What are you guys talking about? I put that in there. I know it's there. It still works. You're like, I'm nine feet tall. I'll punch you in the face if you say anything else. All right.

Here's the one that I'm going to, oh, God, this one I hate, this is the one I hate more than almost any. This doesn't do any. Is the melanchrome. Well, it's also just wildly incorrect. So the melanchrome adjust the skin of the spanker. Space Marine to adapt to their environment. It calls out. So let's go through how it calls out.

It calls out this is why blood angels are very pale. I need you guys know I'm getting my cheat together right now. Because somehow, by adjusting the melatonin in your skin and the pigment skin, it will shield you from radiation and heat. Okay. Radiation, you're right. Darker pigmentation on your skin does give you a very minuscule protection against UV radiation.

not the radiation from like weapons, electromagnetic pulses. I'm skipping this one because it doesn't exist. Heat. Because there's no space marines in any story have randomly changed their skin color. No, the salamanders are obsidian because it was supposed to. Because they're primar. Because they've retconned it.

That's my point. They've retconned the hell out of this to say they started that way, not became that way. because again, anyone listening to this, if you're a blonde hair, blue-eyed person, go find someone who's got dark skin and darker, darker skin and darker hair and see which of you can get your hand closer than open flame.

You'll discover it's not this, it's the same thing. That's not how pigmentation works. I'm skipping this one because it doesn't exist in stories. However, you know what does? The kidney. The ulytic kidney. Yeah, so this is the one that actually covers

the poison. This is our third attempt. So this makes me so much angry, though. This is the one I'm giving Brad credit on. The first one we talked about made it so you were immune to food poisoning. So you can go to every, you can go to an all you can eat shrimp buffet in New Orleans. No threats. You know, the next one helps you with toxins in the air. Greeting. Yeah. So you're in trunk sushi after the bar. Exactly. So we can go anywhere, any time and breathe the air and still party. The oolet kidney, the oolet kidney. Those other two things should still stop you from poisoning.

And then we have a third thing, which is the kidney that straight up says it processes any, any. If you read the stories, it says any. Any negative poison, it will immediately, the space marine in theory wouldn't even know they got poisoned.

That's how fast their body would react and they get constantly poisoned. All the time. And not just this is also not just the tabletop, it's also in the in the books. Constantly, this is a nonstop problem of space marines. They have an extra kidney. I'm actually, she's a book of one.

They do get food poisoning. So I do realize this, this serves no purpose. Ah, this one's stupid. Again, we're going, we're diving into, like, I don't, I think this is way less dumb than you do. Because the neuroglottis is, for people that play Marvel, it's, you know, enhanced senses, basically. But the, this is stupid.

But it's supposed to be like a detective type thing. Yeah, I can taste the air and track you. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's what it is. Yeah. They're supposed to be doing the Native American thing where they're like, I know where you are because you sweat on a tree or something.

Yeah. No, this one's dumb. They can taste their other opponents. Brad's defending this because a certain legion called the Space Wolves. We totally use it all the time. It doesn't matter. The rules they don't. But in the books they do.

In the books they do. You can't escape from them. The space wolves can actually taste. the air changing around their opponent. And it lets them that their muscles are about the tense and they're going to strike. Yeah. It makes no sense. But it sounds super cool.

You know what? You probably didn't even have sneak eyes. The new kronoid is next. It's this is actually, this one actually. This one is so stupid. This one, it's just useless for what we're, for playing the game. But effectively, it allows the space to me to secrete. to seal their skin and like a wax and cocoon themselves so they can just.

This is some, like, ready? In chat, I challenge you to show me any, literally any story. Where they use this? Yes. I looked, we looked at, we know we were doing this, so I looked up all the organs. Yeah. And I tried to find stories for all the organs. This one is why, by far, never mentioned ever, ever, ever, ever.

Well, let's go to the next one that's never, ever mentioned anymore. Oh, this pisses me out. It's so cool. The Betcher's Glenn. All right. Welcome to RepCon, guys. All right, this was, this is maybe, I think this is the most infamous of the organs. This is the spit acid organ.

It's awesome. Everyone's aware of and has never, it's appeared in one book. So it's actually appeared a few times. But they've been over time, thanks largely to Black Library writing, been rewriting this, this gland. So when it first came out, a space marine could actually spit acid out of its, out of his mouth at an opponent. It was a very limited thing. It was supposed to be an emergency attack type thing.

Yeah. But this is stupid. And they removed it. It's not because they took their, they have the multiple errands. They basically forced their, oh, whatever. That's stupid. I like this one. They began retconning it.

I just like the process of retconning it. Because, okay, everyone went lame. So first, never got to the table time. Yeah, it became, first they moved it from spit to drool. So a space marine could like bite, I'm quoting here, by the way, from the books. They could gnaw on the bars of a prison to dissolve the bars with the acid. People actually did this too. He actually burned all of the bars away.

Burned all the bars away by licking them. No, he basically drooled on them. He drooled on them. He's drooled on a. bar until it broke. It was a night lord on a dark angel ship did this. And also, they never explained how you can have acid in your mouth and doesn't burn your mouth. But we're going to skip that departure of logic. So it was dumb. Then they came out and said entire space marine chap, like the imperial fists during Horace said they actually never could use this organ.

And, you know, now apparently it just doesn't work anymore. You know why it didn't work? Rogel Doran. Because Rogel Doran sucks. Yeah, it's right. It's our vocal darned's fault. I do enjoy saying this because so many people attack me every time I say it. But it is, like, it's just this weird thing. So as of right now, just so everyone's aware, by the party, 41K, this organ, they keep implanting it.

But it doesn't do anything. Like, so you're just now getting, much like the one that puts you in a coma, you're not already two of your 19 organs. I'm sorry, but the stupid wax. thing is so much lamer. But in theory, at least it does something. Spitting acid would be sweet. But you don't spit acid. That's my point. This one,

they just shove an organ in you that does nothing. You used to spit acid. It allows your body to go into a coma when you're injured like we do. No. No. The coma thing, fine. Pretend wrapping yourself in candle wax. Yeah, it's not that helpful.

However. We're near in the end, though. Well, let's go to the real ones then. We'll be right back after a quick break. So let's do the progenoid gland. This one's actually an incredibly important one, although it is a little bit hard to follow. So the progenoid gland is actually harvests the gene seeds that are in your body. So as your body, as you, and also manages.

Well, it regulates. It regulates. It's weird because it's like it's almost like I think it's the closest thing would be like pituitary gland on steroids. Yeah. Yeah, but what's interesting is they put it in at the end. Yeah, you think it would be first. Yeah, this one, like, this one helps govern the function of all the other implants, but we put it in after we put in all the other implants, two of which we just established don't do anything.

The reason that, here, you know, I'll give them the, I'm going to give the two cents of why I think maybe they put it in this. Because they make a big deal about the fact that this one is like super hard to use and make and everything else. Yeah. So, like, maybe they're waiting to see how many people ate it. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. But the progenoid gland also does, has, aside from managing all of your gene seed organs, it does a very important.

It also will store gene seed. The reason that matters is that if a space marine is killed, the job of the apothecary is to go and pull the boroginoid glands out of them because gene seeds are hard to make and they can take these things back. And I know the problem that the term gene seed here, again, is a catch-all. So the gene seeds are both the organs that are implanted, have the gene seeds in them, but also the genetic markers that come from the primarks, who for, if you're a loyalist, more than half of those primarks are no longer around.

They're necessarily dead, but they're missing. So you don't have the ability to make more of this very easily. So these are really important. This land's important. The most important implant, though, really for Says Marine, is the black carapace. I mean, let's be honest, it's the most important. Because you can't interact with your power armor. if you don't have a black carapace.

Fair. And the black carapace is not, what it is, those images you guys can find to this, but effectively it links a bunch, it links your central nervous system to a bunch of external nodes that are all over your body.

And those nodes then link to the power armor when you're put into it. And it's, it's a weird biomechanical skin suit that interacts with your body so that you can interact with your power armor because your power armor, which we'll get into in just a few smitch here,

your power armor has to act like an extension of your will. Yeah. It has to, you are ridiculously fast. It's not a robot. The power armor moves as you move. Everything as you, the way that all of us would function, move our arms, move our legs, move our hands, the power armor would move with you in tandem. That only happens because the power armor is linked to your central nervous system.

And this is how it's linked. And Marines and Power Armor are fast. Oh, yeah. Now, if this was 2016, we would be done. It's not. So in 2017, the Primaris Marines. Yeah, Primarus Marines. To the joy of...

Thank you, call. Yeah. Well, to the joy of Space Marine collectors. Ooh. GW introduced a new line of space Marines. They called this the ultimate founding. This was a Gulliman went to call and told him, we... Well, Carl told him about it.

Yeah. Call, basically, call said, Hey, man, I heard you're going to be doing some stuff, and I'm wildly paraphrasing this. Yeah. But I can make your guys a billion times better. I heard that shit's going down. What do you think?

Can I, you want to hang out? Call goes into this process and actually effectively invents three more organ implants. These space marines are then released just after a badness broken the sky, and Gilliman has returned. And right at the start of 8th edition, we get Primaris Marines. And we get Primaris Marines. And Gilliman wasn't like down with us at first to go on it.

But Avedon broke the sky. Ternards are showing up. Necrons are around. Eldar doing Eldar things. And no one knows whether they're Eldar or Dark Eldar. So whatever. Tower harassing the Eastern Fram. Are they?

I mean, they still exist. Are they mildly annoying the Eastern Fringe? But there's some shit going on. There's. And so these guys come in. And so in order to make, so Primaris Marines are a larger version of Space Marines. I just do want to enjoy.

This was one of my favorite parts of playing Warhammer was when Space Marines got two wounds because they were Primaris Marines and the anger that exploded everywhere around these guys. But anyway, they did this with three new organs. And I'm giving credit. Actually, all three of these are cool. The first one were the sinew coils, which were these microscopic metal coils that surrounded all the sinew in their body.

This allowed space marines to be immensely stronger, but also even sturdier. So they were actually, they could now grow. Well, it makes them explosive power, too. Incredible. The story is they could, they could actually, they could grab a skull and crush it with their bare hands. That's how powerful they became. The next one was the magnificent, which is just a lame name, but we're going to know. Yes, but it's boss mode. Oh, yeah.

Because this just says, hey, remember when you guys were already superhumanly large? How about we just give you? I think they're 20 or 30% bigger. Yeah, they're big, big. Mass. I mean, if you go to the model line, they're laughably bigger. Yeah, it means it's like 50% bigger in the model line. Yeah, but I think in the law.

I don't think in the lore it's that much because they don't, because the reason why I say they're 50% bigger, they'd be as big of the prime market or not. Right. And they're not. But they are looking down on it. Yeah, they're looking. And they're a lot wider, too. And the last one he did was called the Belisarian Furnace, because he named it after himself. Why not?

This was just a hidden, this is basically a cocktail of crystal meth that sits inside every space marine. And if they end up severely injured or in some sort of trauma, this thing kicks on. By the way, this is not something that the Marine can control. Yeah, it just happens randomly. And they get juice. They have stories about this because this is, they effectively get, you know, like, hey man, I'm horribly injured.

You're like, you should do eight lines of cocaine. You're like, I don't think that'd be great right now. I guess I'm doing it. So primaris Marines are massively stronger, massively bigger. And it actually, from a lower standpoint, helped turn the tide against Lebanon, because as... Also, they were having huge tyranninid problems. Yeah, and these guys can...

A regular space marine has no problem fighting a kind of a more standard tiernit, you know, your hormonauts for whatever. But an Eterid warrior against a space marine is not a good lineup. A primaris Marine into a tyrant warrior, in theory, is good. Has not been for multiple editions. Actually, it's never been for any addition, I think about it. But it's a big deal on this. We have to cover the fact that a regular Marine can.

Yep, the crossing of the Rubicon. Yep. Can become a primaris. However, ooh. It's an easy process, but this is a big deal because one of the biggest challenges, that we've had for space marines is as we were talking about, they had to be recruited as children.

Now, during the Horace heresy, we learned that that wasn't always the case because Corferon, a few others, they were just juiced in with Carolines. Caliban. They were able to do little tricks here and there. But in order to help sell models,

the GW made it so that we can actually up-convert a space marine into a... Multiple chapter masters have been primary stuff. Or, more importantly, if GW needs to convert something from a resin cast to a plastic cast, ta-da.

And it's bigger because he's primaries. Better detail. I mean, I will say new Calgar is much better than old Calgar. Yeah, like a billion times better. Dante as well. No, yeah, no, yeah, Dante's way better. All of the guys that have been, and the thing is, is that,

I don't, I don't, weirdly enough, none of the main characters have died. Yeah. But the transformation, to be fair, the models are wildly better. Sorry, and they just are. So that's how you make a space marina. As we kind of have been just discussing here, the space marine himself is, in theory, immune to toxins, although he's not, is one of the strongest beings in the galaxy. Doesn't need to sleep? Can literally operate for days at a time?

Can not operate. When I say operate, I mean fight nonstop for. for days at a time because he's on the ultimate EPO. He can legitimately be minorly injured over and over and over and over and over again. And heal and keel and keep fighting. Also can't get food poisoning and can smell a really far distance. Contract people, thank you very much. He knows who made pie.

You were the end of fun, John. But as powerful as a space marina is, that's not what. what makes, you're not going to conquer the galaxy with a bunch of these dudes. Yeah. These guys are the video game characters, again, that you're leveling up on because they're wearing t-shirts. Now we're going to jump into Power Armor, which is a whole different ballgame. Power Armor is boss mode, by the way.

Power Armor is get ready for disappointment, people, because we're going to walk you through Power Armor, and then it doesn't do any of this. So, Space Marine in Power Armor, in lore, is devastating. A single space marine in power armor could just wreck a city. And the thing, and because, again, power armor, well, it's just not the invincible. Power armor is the extension of the space marine. That's why it's so devastating. It's not a man, a superman in armor.

It is, he is the armor. He is. You cannot defeat these things. A space marine and power armor will knock through a, we'll go through a wall. kill everyone on the other side of it and not care. You bring the building down on top of them. They're okay. I mean, enemies used to fight the Imperium and then ask themselves, sorry, guard players,

but there was, is there Marines here or not? Right. It would be the question. So let's go through what makes power armor so effective. Just like with a space room with the organs, the power armor really is just a sum of its parts. And that, so all the individual pieces are on make it important. Let's just start with the top then. The helmet.

Space Marine helmet is designed to feed information. And again, remember, we were making super humans that can take in more information because their HUD is balkersville. Nonstop. Yeah, it is, like I said earlier, it's seizure inducing. Yeah, because, I mean, a full part of it's telling you is there shit wrong with you? Because the power armor, we go into this. It gives everything from what's happening with you. Is it hot outside?

is a cold outside? Am I poison? Am I, even though I should be able to shake that off? Yeah, am I poison? Not that it would matter. You know, what are my orders? What's going on? What do I see? Your power armor also, your HUD translates what is happening.

Even though you have great sight, it will just start telling you that there's 22 gons. There's three warriors. There's a, there's a Toronto fax. It breaks down instantaneously everything that you see and it puts up all that information on your hut. At all times. Additionally, it also has real-time translation, both for text and for audio. So as you're walking through, it's going to tell you, you never have to pause for a second.

We talked about the oculope enhancement that was put inside of a spaceman, give them clarity of vision and see-through smoke. This thing makes it even better. The helmet takes a different level. You've got magnification for long range. See even better through smoke unless someone spends one CP. Devastator It's so stupid The actual

integrate with the weapons So you actually don't necessarily Have to lift the weapon up to your eyesight You actually can see through the weapons Through the weapon Devastator Marines have a very specialized version of this Well, it's super impressive though

Is because of that fact They effectively get targeting So you can target a lot of their big weapons While sprinting At full speed Because it's already being targeted with the weapon, you're shooting, you know, you're shooting from the hip, but with perfect accuracy. They also have built in Vox.

So the space marine, not only can they obviously, I mean, obviously they can communicate with each other, but a space marine can now shout through the VALC. So if they're working with, say, guardsmen needs to command them or Arbytes, they can hear them from exceptional distances. And it cuts through because they can go through different ranges. Yeah. Also improves the hearing. So even more so than all of these, what the helmet tends to overall do is take an implant that was put in a space marine and magnify to make it even better, including respiratory protection.

The level of anger. Oh, do you get poisoned? Brad has a space where it's getting poisoned. You don't understand. So you've got a multi-lung. You've also got a respirator that actually has oxygen in it. You can seal your camera. God damn it.

Space is so angry. Let's go to the other part of the body, boots. So space marine boots, this is one of those ones that actually irritates me and shouldn't. They're magnetic. Their boots are awesome. No, but like, okay, they're called about being magnetic because apparently we're still building out of steel. Yeah, but they're not, to be honest, they're not magnetic. They're effectively graved.

Because they can run on the sides of ships and stuff like that. It says in the codex, it used to the word magnetic. It's not. And our ships are made out of ceramite, which is a ceramic. And I don't know how many of you have magnets around, but see if your coffee mug is magnetic. But it's supposed to be effectively grab boots. They fix it later and they say they also have a sticky thing for them.

So they can actually get. Well, because there is some cool stories about Marines just sprinting up walls and the ceilings. One other ones they do to do is they actually will deploy pylons suddenly. So we talk about like Devastator Marines. Derversary Marines can actually run at a full sprint. And when they're ready to shoot, can turn, these pilots will shoot into the ground to get, to lock them in place. They can fire a heavy weapon.

And then as soon as the gun is done firing, they retract, the recoil is gone. They retract and they begin sprinting, which allows them to kind of move, shoot, move. Which is, the game doesn't do this well. It does not. No, but the videos, man, if you play, you know, if you play Space Marine and Space Marine, Space Marine 2 does it really well. I mean. Not out yet. What's that?

Space Marine. No, the videos they show. Oh, I was going to say, like, how did you get the copy of that? No, I'm talking about all the release videos. Oh, of course, yeah, because that's the whole idea. These guys, they're moving. This is so cool because heavy weapon teams, this is always the danger of heavy weapon team because when you have a heavy weapon team, the opponent's going to say, kill them.

It's hard to kill them when they're constantly moving and shooting at you, you know. Yeah, these are cool as shit. The most important part of a space marine suit, though, is the backpack. It's the cool. I mean, they do have a Ghostbuster backpack. They do, go, yeah. This is a, it is the mind of the suit. It's also the power.

I was supposed to say, the big, it's the mind of the suit, yes, but. It's got a mini nuclear reactor. It's kind of a nuclear reactor or it doesn't work. Yeah, but it also has a backup of that, which is a battery that can at last for, I believe, a solar month and has a solar array on it for further charging. So, let's just say, space submarines don't go down. They even added an additional thing here where when I first read it, it's at a thermal waste dispenser, which I thought was incredibly stupid because who cares? You can jet it out. But I do realize, and there are stories that they do use this for fighting in zero gravity.

In zero gravity, they actually have the ability to shoot little bits of air out to maneuver themselves when fighting in zero gravity. That's actually, I like that one a lot. And of course, it has oxygen storage in case there's poison in the air. I will fight you. This just bothers me so. I got poisoned so much in a recent game playing with my reins, and it angers me every time. The other one that's actually kind of cool is there also is heat dissipation.

So they do have the ability to not only protect the Marine in the suit from the external temperature, but also regular the temperature inside the suit. I'm going to recommend a couple of the books on this because they do a lot of, especially with the salamanders, even with our home planet. They do a ton of fighting in power armor next to, lava next to explosions next to ships that have literally crashed into planets and stuff. And there's a lot of really cool books. The Salamander books do it really well. There's others that do it, but there's a bunch of examples of that. If you read Vulcan Rises and a couple of the others,

they have some really cool things where they show that. Now, it's not just specific to them, it's specific to Power Rumber, but they do show it with Salamanders. Obviously, we're talking about power armor. The one thing we haven't touched on yet is the armor, is the actual armor element of the power armor. It's pretty durable. It's in fathomably tough. I mean, it's made as something called Ceramite,

which is just ceramic, but ceramic, there's different levels of ceramic. There's the ceramic. Paramarpe plating is bonkersville because it's woven in and layer, and it's effectively pressed together. It will deflect almost anything. I mean, and it's also shaped in certain ways to deflect rounds. Most things shot at it in theory would bounce off of it.

They can take incredible levels of abuse. We're talking... I mean, in lore, they just stand there and just let small arms fire hit them because they just don't care. They will actually look for bigger weapons and stuff and ignore small arms fire. Now on the tabletop. Not really. Tabletop does not do that. My Gretchen have killed a lot of space brains.

But in lore, they often just literally focus on other shit because this can't hurt them. Hey, there's a guy shooting a 45 at me. Cute. You know what I mean? Another thing that I actually didn't realize I was researching this is they had something that we in the U.S. call active armor. I don't know people outside of the U.S. know what this is. U.S. tanks use this, where it detects, the armor actually detects around coming into it and explodes back out into it.

It will just stop something dead in his track. So this is why a space marine can get shot with a missile and actually look basically on skis. It deflects the blast away. So as the blast explodes towards them, this explodes back into the blast and deflects it around. It's actually one of the few times GW used physics almost perfectly. It's also something that we do a lot. I'm assuming that whoever wrote this got fired for being correct. It's probably somebody that went to one of the sites that they're not supposed to be in.

Exactly. All the guys that were doing all the exact replicas of Air Force bases there. Yes. Another one, too, that actually the suits we have is they do have a level of self-healing. Not like the necrons in any way, shape, or form. No, but they can seal hold. They effectively have, let's be honest, they have stem bags. Yeah.

Well, but the big one is it'll fill a holes because Marines are fighting in hostile environments. And they don't want to get poisoned, obviously. So if there was a hole in there. You're just really pushing this one today. Brad's actually leaving here to go playing a tournament. And I just want this in his head the whole time. so he bitches of people the whole tournament. I got to drive to.

I have a drive to the tournament. You're complaining the whole time. 100%. They were going to throw me out of the car. I'm going to bitch about this. What will happen is that, but you don't want to get it to puncture in your suits. The suits actually will seal this up.

And they do have... It fixes their own armor. Yeah. And it fixes the spacebook. It has stems inside. They can inject into the space marine. So a primaris marine who's in serious danger, the amount of stimulants that hits him,

because his power armor is... Oh, he's a bad. And then Bellasaurus is... random drug cocktail hits. Again, which you can't control. Be cool if I wasn't wildly high right now in the middle of this fight. But to make all of this actually function correctly, it integrates with your central nervous system. Which through the, again, through the black carapace. Which means a space marine moves with this giant suit of armor. I mean, a space marine, I believe is somewhere around,

a space marine stands around seven feet. I think in the armor, they're closer to almost eight feet and they're like four or five feet wide i can i show you this metric so we're talking like two point three meters high and like right just short of two meters wide so these are massive beings they move faster than any person any of you have ever seen with more with with the grace of of a gymnast they can well this is the later version on the early version of power armor not quite as much but and this is because it integrates perfectly with them the pistons that are built throughout the system move. It's like it's nothing.

I can't stress enough. They do it so much. The video games do a great job. You don't even play them on it. Just watch some of the YouTube videos on things like Space Marine and Dawn of War. And those, they do a great job of showing the power armor moving. Some of the videos are fantastic. We'll be right back after a quick break.

Now, one other piece of power armor technology that we don't have to cover, but I'm going to, is you don't actually have to get out of power armor because I'm sure you're asking yourself, what happens when you have to poop? Fun answer, space marines don't poop. They are the Kim Jong-un of the 41st millennia. This is written down. The suit provides them all the nutrients they need. They also have recyclers for everything from their stuff and everything else. No, it's not that. It's way dumber than that. No, I'm saying they have both. But I'm saying it's dumber than that. It says in the damn book that a space marine system, that the nutrient cocktail they give them is so precise that it leaves no waste.

That's why a space submarine doesn't have to pee or poop. That's a dry butthole. Exactly. Because for whatever. So this is another thing Brad would love because I believe you have IBS. Yep. that would be awesome. Why am I not a Marine?

Because I would die instantly from the first thing. Exactly. The first, they would even give you the heart. They'd be like, no. They'd be like, come on, guys. Please. Like, I murdered three other neophytes to me. You'd be the most motivated neophyte.

I killed three Fenreziian wolves to me. Exactly. Come on, guys. Yeah, just let me out of this body. I don't want to do this anymore. So, yeah, I just, I didn't have to cover it, but I wanted to. is space marines don't have to poop. Okay, we're going to go into this.

If you think that space marine armor doesn't perform on the tabletop the way that you'd like it to, way do we tell you about Terminator armor? I think you meant to say tactical dreadnight armor, sir. Yeah. Terminator armor is meant to be a dreadnought wrapped around a person that's T4. It's my first unit. It's my first unit I ever bought. Yeah. It was a unit of Chaos Terminators. and Terminator Armor is,

well, we talked about the fact that Power Armor, they're basically doing ninja kicks and stuff. Yeah. Terminator Armor is not that. Yeah, you get a lot slower. You will get a lot slow. You are plotting. You get sent somewhere and you, that's just where you are.

You're plotting slowly. But you're also, per the lore, definitely not in the goddamn goff in the game. Yeah, in the game, this armament. But in the... Yeah, let's do the lore, and then we'll talk about how depressing, it is when you then try to plant.

Terminators are just dropped off and people just shit their pants and leave. Terminators show up and they are effectively immune to small arms fire. Well, you say small arms fire. Small arms fire means bolters, which is a rocket propelled grenade bullet. I mean, they are

designed where Las Canons can glance off of them. These things are almost impenetrable and where they're used at the two main places use Terminator Armors. One is actually boarding action. where they will, they fire them. I mean, it's funny. The space wolves do it right.

Everyone else shoots a little ship into it. Actually, you know, before we go any further, if you haven't Googled Astartis on YouTube, go do that. So good. It's amazing and it's actually really good. It'll make you kind of really see what we're talking about here. But the way that space marines board a opposing ship

is they actually shoot a little ship into that ship and the space marines get out of it. They do this thing with Terminators. you got out of it. Unless you're a space wolf. Back in the day. Unless you're a space wolf. Brett,

how does space wolves get termators into other ships? They go big dog style and get shot out of a cannon like they're doing the carnival circus and they use a chain fist to cut their way through the side of the ship. As space wolf terminators are shot into other ships.

It is the greatest thing. Space wolves are just... The thing about the Terminator armor is it supposed to, it is first company for, yeah, only the best. Only the best. It's the best of the best. You don't just show up on day one and they're like,

you just get Terminator Armour. Yeah. No, you are the veteran of many engagements. Then you get your Terminator Armor. And the Terminator Armor is next level durability. And it's also able to walk around and shoot what are effectively vehicle-mounted weapons. Yeah. And they are able to,

where Terminator Armors, there's two main places. One is close quarters fighting. They put these guys into a ship. And, you know, these ships, the alleyways, where it's a better term than that, but anyway, inside of a ship are not that wide. If you went two to three wide Terminator, you basically block in the entire thing

and your turners can walk with the rest of the troops hiding behind them. Yeah, they do. And the thing is they do excellent boardy actions for all the fans of Space Hulk, which if you're not a fan of Space Hulk, Get your life together. Go play Space Hulk. You'll become a fan of it.

Yeah, it's super fun. But the thing is, is that they just sent, and the thing is they send Terminators. I got to get my cheat together, John. They sent Terminators in Space Hulk. They sent five of them. A squadron of Space All you needed. Terminators went on a Space Hulk,

which is a city-sized ship. And that was it. That's all they needed. And the ship was infested, infested with Gene Steelers, and just Ternans. And you sent four. five guys. If you sent five guys in the game against 2,000 points of tarrants, if you sent five guys in the game against 20 hormagons.

I think it could take 20 harbonds. God damn it. Could they? Yes. I mean, the hormonats would come back and it was not ending sworn, but. In eighth edition? No. At the edition? Yeah, they're AP three. That's what they're saying. Like, it's end edition. I'll give it to you. But in eighth edition, no. They had exploding six. Yeah. The jeansers would just run through them like, why are these guys? even here, what's the point? And that's the problem, because this is the problem

with Terminators in general is that when, if you read any novel where they talk about Terminators, if you just, if you break open your codex it talks about some terminator action, they are amazing.

I mean, invincible is the best way to explain. It's also the fear. Fear of Terminator. If one Terminator were to teleporting, it's actually, at the start of 10th edition, we got a really good animation,

right, where the tyranny fleet was invading and then the, beacon lands and the tornadoes pop out of the beacon. It's basically turn the tide in the battle. Yeah, like one squad of termites. That is what Terminaries do. They just pop out and it's just,

and they wreck shop. They are so cool. And I'll be honest, the models look cool. Everything about Terminators are cool, except for rolling dice with them. That's the only part that's terrible because... Death Wing has been good at multiple times,

but that's... And you've had some space with Terminators. You're right. Spaceful Terminators have had some moments where they've been good. I just... It's not like they've been bad, bad. It's just like, it's one of the, obviously, from the lore to the board is always going to be. You always have a job.

I just, I would argue they are the biggest drop off of the game. That's what I would argue in the game because, and again, the challenge with that, I will give GW a little bit of credit here. Making Terminators playing the game the way they do in the lore, you would actually have an army that might, you may only be allowed to have five of them in your list. Well, it was also, and they'd be like half your list. Anytime the Terminators have been really good, though. it's been bad for people. Oh, yeah. The Death Wing,

Dark Angels Terminators in 9th edition. Yeah, you died. I know. Well, I mean, I physically died. You actually went to the hospital because of the game. That's how sad Brad was.

But the thing is is that the Terminator's, Terminator armor is the best of us. That's basically... It's blast the seal mixed with ceramite. It can... It's actually got angles built into it. So if you try to shoot at,

it'll actually deflect rounds. If it doesn't deflect the round, it still feel. thick enough that you can take it. When you look at the Abidon, when his just staring, what they were doing when he was in the Luna Wolves, he and Terminator Army would actually basically say

which part of the, you know, opposing line is giving out the most amount of firepower. They would be a bowling ball. I'm going to run at that in Terminator. And by run, I mean, they still actually could move. They would actually go right into the dead heart of an enemy, rip it out because they could just take the abuse.

They're getting shot with auto cannons, Las Canons, missile launchers. And they just took it. And they were going. The distraction card effects the hell out of other armies. Yeah. Because they would start shooting at them. And then they flank would start pushing up, pushing up, pushing out, pushing out.

And the rest of the Marines would come in. And this is a real term. That wasn't just just Abidon. This is some of the- Yeah. Because he was one of the best at it. But like there's the first company just did shit like that. And the thing is, there was very few.

There's not a lot of Terminator armor. No. You look at, oh, Death Wing fields an entire company. yeah, but like that's spread out over. And they're very unique in that. I mean, most other armies don't carry this level of terminator armor. In fact, I would, we're going to get to some of the primaris armor in the second, but most chapters have more aggressor armor than they do terminator armor.

Now, yeah, they made a big push in the Adominus crusade. Because the difference is they can actually make it. The problem with terminator armor is they know how to make terminator armor, but the elements and pieces in it are, for everybody while we're doing this, I'm going to throw a quick yolo out to our, some of our future cast because we know that we have to cover some stuff. I'm unbelievably excited to talk about some of the new lore that's pushing forward. Yeah.

And I have to be reined in by John and I'll talk about it all the time. Because you can't tell a story in the beginning and then jump to the end and then jump back to the middle. I mean, you can. It's just everyone's going to go, what the hell are you guys doing? What are we even talking about? Because people still binge us. When you cross like 100 episodes, I think we made out of people who are binging us every episode in a row, but we still get someone who starts at one.

and goes all the way to, you're at 32 now. So, but anyway, there is one extra piece of Terminator armor that I couldn't not let Brad talk about, and that is a certain space wolf. Logan Grimnar, who everyone was told you can't sprint in Terminator armor until he just, Usain, bolted. Yeah.

Logan Grimnar is hilarious, because he actually does have full movement speed in Terminator armor. And he also pretty, the first time that happened, he surprised them a lot. Yes. And then he murdered people, and it was glorious. Space wolves in Terminator armor.

Space wolves have this cool thing in their army where you'll have something where everyone goes, oh, that's not that good. And then the space wolves get a hold of it. No, it's actually kind of amazing with that. That's also because space wolves don't believe the laws of physics apply to them. Yeah. They're the orcs of the space marines. Just like, I'll just do it.

Why? Because I want to. That's why they get shot into ships. Everyone else uses a boarding. ship and this baseballs go, no point. That's, yeah, there's not. Teleporting's crazy. Yeah.

Also, he can't use psychic powers. You have to use nature. But yeah, so that's, that's Terminator Armour. And Terminator Armor is genuinely incredible. It's just kind of, you can by hearing Braden my voices, it also depresses us a little bit because every time you kind of get really into Terminator's, then you play Terminators and you go, duh, damn it. Yeah.

Also, the models should be bigger. I think everybody should be Abadana-ask if you're running Terminator Armour. You know, that's actually a fair point. think they probably are a little bit smaller. Because, all right, why is the Terminator armor smaller than an aggressor? Yeah, they're way taller and bigger. And Centurion, too. You have to think, like, the thickness of the armor.

Yeah. Terminator armor is over a foot. Yeah, they should be a giant brick. Yeah. Although there are some fun, if you guys want to laugh, you can go in like and see people have tried to do renderings of what your arms would look like if you're in Terminator armor. It's not entirely within the realm of human body.

Let's put it that way. But that's unimportant. So what we should probably do now is kind of talk about power armor through the ages and go dive into where power armor comes from and kind of its progression. And what we're going to see here is there's a little bit of power armor right up to the start of the Great Crusade, then a rapid development of it, and then nothing because of the Horace heresy. For a long time. And then a very recent rapid. So we'll start with what power armor first was. It actually well predates the Imperium.

Power armor, they believe, dates back to before. the age of technology. Yeah, they were using this in, well, let's go with the most famous, the Thunder Warriors. Yeah. In their reclamation of Terra, the power armor, the, and I'm using it as close.

Air quotes power armor at this point. We'll explain in a second. Was used by the Thunder Warriors, but it was also used by a bunch of other. Yeah, the people of Thunderwheres were trying to kill. Yeah. Obviously, as we discussed earlier, there's no black carapace here.

So this power armor was powered armor. It's probably the better way of describing. fallout's been out it's it's better than that but that's what it is yeah i mean there wasn't there might have actually been a fusion core yeah just like just it just it was powered but it was slow the in the lore they talk about it was primarily on the upper body with more supports in the lower body and it was designed so you could just carry a heavy weapon or punch through a wall yeah and the thing is is it didn't come with the ridiculous HUD load layout that it has load out that it has right now and all the information and it wasn't self-sufficient.

So you couldn't be poisoned, but... Of course they could be poisoned. Otherwise, I mean, that's the key part of the game, obviously. It's a key part of the game is the poison. So that gets us to Mark one power armor. And Mark one power, we're discussing here. It's Thunder Armor. This is the armor, the Thunder Warriors.

It is Mark I think of less as Power Armor and more as Powered Armor because there's no black paragon. Let's jump into the part. Mark two. Yeah, but Mark two is where it does. Because I want to compare them. Because Mark two, for me, well,

Mark two is the crusade armor. This is when the emperor. But that is power. This is where power. I completely agree. Mark one is, I mean, it's Mark one.

Hey, it's the first one. No, it's not. Yeah, it's Mark two. I mean, if we're really talking about it. This is where power armor starts.

This is where you have the Marines in their black heropus. And you have full, the full layout. Yeah, they are almost immune to poison. Screw you. But this is the first power armor where they are fully integrated into their power armor.

They have godlike abilities basically in this. Yeah, I mean, we're finally seeing full speed space marines. They can do all the actions. It's an extension of their will now. Yeah, exactly. And so this was, and this is, it was also called Crusade armor because this was the launch of the crusade. Now, this first version, which is technically marked two, but its first version, was pretty loud. It was actually pretty heavy.

The movement wasn't quite what we see later. They weren't as slow as Terminators, but they were slowed down a little bit in this stuff. This is the, we call it. It's Mark 2, but it's still, it's Mark 1. It's the first time they were trying to interface this new soldier that they just made with the Black Carapace into this armor. This is literally, he went up with,

the emperor didn't exactly test this stuff out. He went, hey, this should probably work. I put it on my sketchboard. Yeah. And let's just go have you launch into the galaxy and fight with it. I'll figure it out later. We'll figure it out later.

And we did with Mark 3. So from Mark 2, we went to Mark 3, which really wasn't a significant change, except that what ended up happening was, oh. They ran into my people. Yeah, the squats. We're going to have a long cast talking about how the squats were done dirty by DW. Space dwarves. He then became Votan, which are very different, but similar.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. They got Redcon real bad. But effectively, the full story on this was, as the space marines were spreading into the galaxy, they hit the squats who were on these really, there were space wars. Of course, they were in mines,

and they had giant guns. They were shooting through the space armor. They also had super in, not advanced. They just had better armor. Yeah. And so the space marines had, Mark three came out at this point, and all Mark three was was Mark two,

where they put more of the shields in the front, like Star Trek Enterprise, they just don't ship shields forward. Like that was the idea because the squats lived on barren planets with and they shot giant guns. So take a bit more abuse. Not really a significant increase, just a change. From there, though, as the Crusade was coming to its conclusion, we get Mark 4. And Mark 4 came out right before the outbreak of the Horace Heresy. So it was actually pretty well.

This is what almost everybody's wearing in Horace Heresy. And the big thing about this is, It's lighter, but it's also way more powerful. Yes. It has the ability you're effectively can fight forever now. Yeah, because one of the things we didn't talk about enough was the power supply on the Mark 2 and, of course, the Mark 3 was somewhat limited. You could hold a charge for a while.

They could fight for weeks on end. The Mark 4, you could technically, this is where you first saw, like what was, as we talked to were earlier, like it had a solar panel service time you saw the ability, basically the power arm to fight forever. And the seals were a little bit better, still were susceptible to poison, obviously. He's just doing this just to piss me out. It is funny, actually.

Honestly, I didn't occur to me until we started doing the cast? And I was like, oh, yeah, that's actually kind of hilarious. But the Mark 4 was a massive jump from Mark, and Mark 3 again was just kind of, Mark 3 was Mark 2B, is what it really was. Mark 4 is, is 40K armor. Yeah.

Up until now. Pretty recent. of the Indominious Crusade, basically. So, Mark 4 is the armor. Well, Mark 4 is the armor of the Chaos Base Marines. Correct. Well, yeah, yeah. Seven is loyal. Sorry, we're going to, yeah, we get a little bit more. But this is the big armor, especially for people that play 30K, for a lot of, for most of the lore, to be honest with you, to be fab. And then we're going to talk about my least favorite armor. Well, Mark 5 is kind of a cool armor. So Mark 5 is actually a downgrade, is what it is. It's the Diet Coke of Power armor. Well, because it had to be.

The problem was the Horace Heresy breaks out and you've got this, you know, the Imperium loses Mars for production. But the loyal, sorry Lewis, but the traders have the same problem. It's really hard to source materials in an empire that's in the middle of a civil war. So what they basically did was they took Mark 4 and then just downgraded all the components to stuff that was easier to find. And that became Mark 5. It wasn't a new power armor. It was the jury rigged power. armor. It's your power armor, but shittier because you are basically welding pieces of stuff

you found onto it. Basically, it was just, it was, it was still power armor. You MacGyvered your power armor. Mark 5 power armor was a significant step backwards, but it was, it was, it was born out of necessity. And Mark five ended up actually becoming very prevalent throughout the horse heresy because of that, because as soldiers were coming back from engagements with, you know, chunks of their armor shot off. It wasn't even just that. They, they were. soldiers were continuing on engagements without getting reinforcements, without getting supply. So they had to make do. I don't hate it for that because it was something that came out in necessity.

But when you're going down the power armors, I hate to see a mark something. Mark 5 is an official version. And actually, to be fair, that's a great point. It also wasn't like an official power armor. Mark 5 was just a piece of Mark 4 power armor that had been jury rigged was considered Mark 5. There's no rhyme or reason behind it. It's like one guy has a new, has a different arm, I guess a different leg. One guy's got a different backpack. It was just whatever makes it work. You were just putting wires into weird shit. Again, you had a piece of chewing gum, a breadstick,

and an umbrella, and you were like, I got this. But then we get to Mark 6. Beaks. Mark 6 is for just taking the lore out of it from a hobbyist standpoint. This is a pretty good demarcation line and how you like your Marines to look. you don't like beaks. I hate beaks. I hate them. So Mark 6 is called Corvus Power Armor. And these are the beaks.

And people will make their armies entirely of beaks. And at one point in time, it was hard to get everybody as a big because you had to collect them because they didn't ever. Yeah, they didn't make a lot of beaks because they look stupid. It's just, it's a, I'm kidding, actually. You're going to get a hung in the G, my friend. I actually, I've seen people build these things. They look absolutely.

It looks really, really cool. It looks like male armor. It does. that I don't see the value of wearing a piece of armor where like your face sticks out a foot in front of you. Beaks. The beak. Anyway, the story on Mark Six, though, actually is pretty funny. So Mark Six was meant to be a lighter, faster, more flexible armor.

It actually was thinner. Well, some of the Marines did not like this armor at all. Well, yeah, actually, a lot of the Marines did not when this was coming out. And by Marines, we mean the Primarks. When this was coming out, we're all like. hated it. This is, this armor is stupid. It has less, like, the idea of it was if we could move faster and be more nimble, we're a better fighting force. But a lot of the space marines felt that was kind of for like, pussies, like, let's go, you know, just give me more Terminator armor.

So anyway, they decide they have to a field test and they look around at who they're going to give it to, and they gave it to the Ravenguard. Well, I really liked it because he was like, wait a second, my whole army is about infiltrating and doing forward deploying movements and lightning striking the enemy, I can have faster, quicker armor. That's quieter too. Yeah, for a lot.

Yeah, it's also quieter. And so it's actually quite hilarious because this whole idea was that they sent the Mark Six out. Most of the Primarks assume these guys just get slaughtered. They go out there and they go in some engagement. I think it was against a Camber if it was against

a rebellious planet or a Zenos, I canber which way it was. Oh, their engagement. They ruined them. But they just, it was, they came back with, They had no casualties, and they snuck up on them, and they were able to lightning strike multiple times. And every time it was just surprised, he's like, this is the best thing ever.

It's the best thing ever. And so what ended up happening was all of the, all the prime marks had no choice but to say, all right, yeah, give us some. And so the Mark 6 started rolling out, but this also coincided exactly with the launch of the Horace heresy. So what ends up happening is that while the Mark 6 is coming out, Horace Heresy has, how it's, happens and it just all. And also the Ravengar got killed down to like six dudes and a barbershop quartet. So it wasn't a lot. As we get near the end of the Horace heresy, Horace, you know, mankind knows, the

Imperium knows Horace is coming to Earth. So what do they do? They decide we're going to build one more section of armor. This is Mark 7. It's called Aquila. He had a giant aquila on the chest. Yeah. And I really think that part of this, and this is me reading into it a lot, but this felt, this armor felt like the ultimate propaganda piece.

Yes, this was. It just felt like we need this armor because we need you to stand tall at the gates of terror to repel the enemy. With a giant, like, you know, symbol of the emperor on your chest, to let everyone know who you are. But this armor was actually, they took some of the best parts of the Mark Six armor and actually just be, it up a little bit. The irony is that this is actually the armor all the Primarks would have loved. When we talked about the siege of Terra, this is the armor the blood angels were wearing. This is the armor that the white scars were wearing. Everyone, all of the imperial fists. This is the armor they were wearing at that time. This armor also stayed in service for about 10,000 years.

So if you played 40K prior to 2016, I want to say 17, it's the eighth edition. So yeah, up until that point, this was most likely the only power armor. you had in your army. 100%. And it was just, it's the most widely used in modern 40K. But you're going to talk about this. I'm checking out until we get to Mark 10.

Well, I mean, Mark 8 is actually pretty useful. So, which by the way, you may notice that we skipped a mark. They just. We're going to do it again. Yeah.

Oh, no, we didn't. Sorry, no, I didn't. Skip that. So Mark 8 is, errant pattern. This was just kind of a small change. This came out right at the start of 8th edition. It combined with the launch of the Primaris Marines because they basically GW had to remake the whole line. The lore reason behind it was that the Imperium realized they've been fighting Chaos for a while now and Chaos is wearing the same armor they're wearing and figure out

where every freaking hole in the armor was. It's where they get all the poison through. And then, God damn. And so they made a new. armor. This is Margate, errant pattern. It was really wasn't much. It was just some small changes. They put cabling in different spots. You couldn't like sniper it off. It's a better flexibility. The biggest thing that from the lore, if you read the stories about Marquate, they effectively internalized certain susceptible pieces of the armor, like power cables that kind of went out. Yeah. The thing, you know, just your your filtration devices, all of that kind of stuff went underneath and in plating.

And it wasn't a huge design, but it was a, you can't have a guy run up behind you and slice your cable anymore. Exactly. And ruin something. And just break the armor.

So it was, it was a good improvement. This is the armor that modern, tactical Marines, yeah, firstborn Marines wear. Sorry.

Or you could be dipped in FV juice and be super muting it up. Because we got Primaris Marines coming out in the Adomero. and the primaris marines are so much better than regular marines that we actually didn't even make mark nine and went right right to mark 10 oh they were going to make mark nine they're like we got to

even oh you got a supersized they're supersized this because we're sure the mark 10 this is the primarus marines and now we have primaris marines because call said yeah i've got all these super heresy plans and gilliman went that's heresy and went oh yeah i don't care about heresy they're actually going to at all let's go yeah let's well you also just care you come i'm from the original where they don't have all that. So, Mark 10 is four Primaris Marines. And it is one, they're bigger. They're just larger.

And they started, which they, why didn't they do this in the first place? Okay, I'm going to rant a little bit about this because it's awesome. I'm going to give it a positive rant. Yeah. Because Mark 10 armor, the Primaris Marine Armor, is specifically, they design it for what you're doing with it. Yeah. Mark 10 armor is not one armor. That's the big thing.

All the rest of these things, they had some, like, you could put a jetpack on it, but it was still the original. Yeah, but you were almost orking it up at that point. Exactly. Mark 10 actually is multiple different armors fall into Mark 10. Yep. And the big thing is, is, hey, are you trying to sneak up on people? Are you carrying heavy weapons?

Do you need to fly? Yeah. Well, how do you need to fly? There's different ways you can fly. Yeah. That's true. You can fly in. bad ways or you can flag.

Yeah, do you want to take abuse? So we'll dive into it, but the Mark 10 armor is really, it's actually, at the Brad's point, we show them from the beginning. We're going to have a take-all come armor that we adapt depending on the battlefield role that the person's going. And it's awesome. It's awesome the way they do it.

I mean. I also looks good. I know some people are going to agree for this one. I like Primaris armor. I think it looks good. Let's talk to the lamest of the tactic. Or the sorry, of the. Yeah, we'll start with the one.

What I like, because we just talked about how it specialized, depending on your needs. Except for this one. Except for Tacticus, which is not specialized. It's generic armor for. And it's. Someone's got to be on guard duty. It's also nonsense because there's no reason that anybody's wearing this. Yeah, it does nothing.

Because, and I'm going to jump, I'm going to go three than two. Yeah. Because if you're wearing Tacticus, you could be wearing Phobos armor. Yeah. Which is made for your infiltrators, your Revers. It's silent. It's. Revers.

It has the exact. the same protection as Tacticus, but it's better in every, it has better sensors and everything else. The Phobos armor is just, is Tacticus armor, but quieter with better sensors and with some like,

some like the passive cloaking built in. It's wildly better. There's no scenario where you don't want any of those. Because Tacticus isn't, because Tacticus is no more resistant to firearms or anything. It's just. No, it's just better. Present.

Yeah, you have tactical armor and you're like, could we be wearing this? You're like, yeah, for sure you could have. Yeah. You're not. But yeah. And then you have Omnis armor, which is a basically suppressor armor. It's a jump pack. Well, it's a press.

Well, it's a, yeah, it's a hundred percent. It's got a jet engine in the back of it. Well, it's got a jet engine and it also allows them to carry heavy weapons and shoot them on the go. Yeah. The Omnis Arm is pretty cool because GW is not a huge fan of the laws of physics, obviously. But when you want to fire an auto cannon, it has kickback. And the omnis is actually designed with like jets and powers around it, that as you fire your auto cannon,

you have counter jets that shoot that actually allow you to keep shooting this thing straight, despite being at full speed. So they literally have a gyroscope technology that, it's gyrosk, I give it, I'm dumbing it down, but it's effectively a gyroscope because these guys are jump. They're effectively doing back flips. and still shooting straight. And then there's the best armor.

Yeah. The one that everyone should be wearing, which is just Gravis. If I could make my entire Space Marine Army out of Gravis Army, I would because it's awesome. Gravis is the heaviest of the armies. And it actually has variables to that heavy.

We have as low as an eradicator who is still in pretty heavy armor, all up through an aggressor. Yeah. Who's showing up with Power Fist, and all of the ammo and weapons, either Flamers or how much can you shoot with your bullet guns? I brought, yes.

I brought all that. And we also have a flying version for Inceptors. Which is also amazing. Yeah, just amazing. Like, what if we just come out of the sky? Well, they do low orbit drops in that. So the Gravis armor is technologically the, I don't know, it's the creme to the crem right now.

The Gravis is the best. There's no question in anyone's mind. The Gravis is Primaris Marines and Gravis armor are not quite Terminators, but we're getting close. They've got, because they're more flexible in Terminators, too, in their battlefield uses. They're bringing a varied weapon loadouts and stuff too. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, for those who are newer to the game, when Primaris Marines were launched, there was a lot of pushback within the hobby. And so it was quite valid because the truth is that you've been collecting an army for 20 years to be told that it's all useless is. irritating. So, but I'm going to give GW the credit.

So a lot of the Domino's boxes. Yes. They sell a lot of them. But I will give GW one piece of credit. The Primaris stuff looks really good. The Revers have the worst. It's better sized. It's better sized. The, the poses are good. It's also easier to assemble. Some of the small details are there. I personally think Primaris looks good, but I also don't own a Space Marine Army anymore. So, you know, If you disagree with me, you're... I have Marines. I actually own Marines.

Yeah, I don't anymore. I sold all my Marines. Should we talk about the other power armors? Yeah, just real quick. Hold on. Other people have power armor. Mike drop. Yeah.

Sisters, power armor. Grey Knights, power armor. Gusto's Power armor. Tech Marines, power armor. We'll talk about this because... Yes. People are going to lose... you're going to make heads explode when you just said

Grey Knights and Custos have power armor? Yeah, man. They have not, they don't have power armor. They have really specialized awesome power armor. Oh, well, I guess you could make the argument, the Grey Knight Power Armour's mildly, a mild improvement over the space frame power armor. Like, literally defends against the warp.

And everyone that knows Custos is going to be so pissed when you even called their armor power armor. well it's powered so that i always like to end a cast with us being thrown out of the bus oh well i mean look to be fair um if you're listening to this at time of release and your custod player there's other things you're upset about oh that then me just referring to your power armor as power armor the beating they took in that codex was horrifying yeah it's so bad and i've never seen something just taken out back and shot like that. But anyway, I digress.

What we're getting at, though, is that the power armor recovering here, these other power armor, like sisters, for example, have a very different functioning power armor. The Grey Knights Power Armor really channels the warp through them. And actually, not only does it increase their psychic ability, also provides protection. Yeah, the custodes power armor is, much like custodes are a variation of a superhuman,

that is not selling it brutally short. They are, there is nothing, that is, I think, living in the galaxy more powerful than a custode. In raw form, what I'm saying is, I think in raw form, in raw power... I'm just thinking a big shape from Tarynx and stuff like that. Yeah, I guess you're right.

You're right. I guess that's not fair. I probably should count a hive tyrant stronger. All right, fair enough. But from a... Out of the human-waved races. Yeah, yeah. There's nothing that compares to them. I mean, I would take a custode in a fist fight

with a necrone. They're that strong. And then there's Tech Marines, which I'm just mentioning that they have their own power armor. It probably will never. compliment of our casts unless we really run out of content. I feel like we barely touched the mark. Yeah.

For 2039, we got to figure out something. Don't think. Don't hear wrong. I'm saying this now and maybe someone's listening. We're still doing this in 20 years and we're doing our tech marine cast. But as of right now... He's like, you guys are bullshit. Exactly. As of right now, we are not.

Episode 4,823 was all about tech marines. But sisters, gray knights and custodes, obviously we will do casts on and we'll talk about their power armor in those casts. But from there, you know, kind of want to move on. This was just meant to be a deep dive into space marines originally, and then we realized you have to do power armor too. If you're going to do a space Marines, we're not going to do one without the other. So a little bit of a longer cast. We hope you guys enjoy it. You were able to stick there with us. Next week, we're going to just take a

complete left turn and talk about the forces of chaos and demons because. Cough, cough again. Yeah. Screw it. I'll say it. We recorded this last time. And I, for whatever reason, one of our microphones was turned off. So this is our second time recording this one. And the next one, yeah. I get no respect from John. Yeah, Brad and I are actually sitting here in the basement doing Groundhog Day with each other. And this is going to go so much better.

Yeah, the nice thing is that none of you will have ever heard round one, but wait to see if round two is better than round one. I hope so. But with that, please continue liking and subscribing. The Discord is really growing well. I cannot thank you. all of you for joining the Discord as much as you have and can encourage the rest of you to join the Discord more. This episode came from the Discord.

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