The 40k Lorecast - Episode 53 - The Death Guard pt 2- The split of Mortarian and Typhus

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

On todays cast we conclude our coverage of the Lore of Mortarian and Typhus. We open with the events leading up to the Istvaan III massacre and the Flight of the Eisenstein. Thereby marking the first serious public rift between Mortarian and Typhus. We then spend some time talking about each of their paths post drop site massacre. After that we dive into the conversion of the Death Guard to servants of Nurgle. After that we spend time on the rise of Typhus in service to Nurgle, they become the best of friends. We then finish with the most recent events in the 41st millenia for Typhus and Mortarian.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast with me, John Barciotti and Bradchester. This guy. On today's cast, we'll conclude our coverage of the Death Guard with the run of kind of the horace heresy through the current storyline of 40K. One of the current storylines of 40K is the fact that John has not seen Avatar and I tried to make an avatar related joke and he reminded me because we've already touched on this, that he hasn't seen the movie. Yeah. We're going to continue on from there. I just needed to throw that out because that was how I'll be able to.

You're all welcome to jump into the Discord or the comments and tell me how I'm wrong from missing out on that gem of the movie. I'll wait. It's like, say, you haven't seen Matrix 3? No. I mean, you know what? I have seen Matrix 3. Again, I'm still not going to throw the wine on you, which you did call me out. I said I'm going to throw wine at you.

He's like, you're not going to waste wine. But you just compared, you made fun of Avatar and then compared Avatar to Matrix. three and that is too much. Both of them are periods of time that most people who've seen either them would be happy to replace with other periods of time. How long's Avatar? I could have watched what, South Park the movie again that period of time and it's a win. You move on from this. You do not besmirch the good name of Avatar to the bad name of Matrix Revolution. It's not a good movie. It's just objectively not. I'm still looking for something to throw. That's fine. All right. So again, today our focus is going to

Mortarian and Typhus, mostly typhus, because this is where he really has to come into his own. He does start to shine. Yeah. He also becomes the poster boy because Mortarian is just gone for a while too. Yeah. And we'll explain why from a GW standpoint in a minute. But as always, comment and like of the podcast, we are really enjoying reading the comments. The liking and commenting is also by the way really helping push us out. For those of you who've done it, we're now like top ranked in North America, UK, Australia. I misspelled Sweden really badly there on the show notes with two E's. Sweet.

It's Sweden. Anyway, but we now actually are at a point where we have regular listeners in over 107 countries, which is really amazing for us. And with those countries being said, we are getting to the winter months. And also we are leaving the summer months. You do realize there's two hemispheres. And half of our listeners are in Australia. Yeah.

I'm just saying that both of them are tough for me because in summer, you keep it too cold. In the winter, it just is too cold. I'm just laughing because there's a bunch of Australians are like, hey, man. Like, what do you mean leaving the winter months? I'm just saying, we have an awesome Christmas where we go outside. You know what? It should be for Brad. He's really hoping that the snuggy thing happens.

Yeah, yeah, it's going to happen. I need to be warm. Basically, I'm room temperature. Yeah, that's what Brad went to weather. I went on 127 countries, and I know how many countries speak English. So for all of you who are listening to us in a language that's not your native, A, thanks, B, super sorry about jacking up your accents. Because Brad and I don't always pronounce their words in English that way. Oh, God, no.

I don't, I don't, we're American. I speak English poorly, let alone other. Yeah, you're Ohioan, and I grew up in Philadelphia. So overall, like, you're just wrong. You're lucky you can understand us at all. Yeah, yeah, Brad's just wrong on most of his words. I mean, it's just like, BNV. Screw you.

Still going to go back there. Anyway, if you do like the cast and want to interact more with us or other like-minded people, we do have a Discord. It's in the show notes. You can see it in there as a link. Follow it. The Discord's really gotten great. It's such a healthy community we have in there.

People are there talking about stuff about the cast, obviously, for future potential topics, feedback for the stuff we get wrong, the stuff we forget. But more importantly, I think, is it's been. become a community around hobbying, gameplay, you know, video games, how to paint models, how to play, how to play. What are the games you like? What books do you like? So if it's just, if you're kind of looking for a repository for that, jump in.

Again, I'm going to keep saying, I'm not pushing this because we get paid on it. We don't. We get zero dollars out of it and we don't charge anyone for it. I just like giving people a place they can go. But the thing is our Discord, this is only good for people that know how little I interact with anything. Our Discord is interesting enough where I pay attention.

Yeah, Brad's actually in there. We'll usually about one scene. I've been there a bit more, but it's on my phone, so it's easier for me to do stuff. Another thing, too, is for those of you who've been listening to the whole time,

you may notice that the audio has shifted a little bit. For those of you who are older listeners, you know how much this is for the newer listeners. Yeah, those first 30 episodes were a little bit rough. But thanks to the Patreon that we have on this, we've been able to hire an audio engineer to clean it up. We bought some new audio equipment.

So for those of you who have joined our Patreon on thank you. It really has helped us out a lot. For those of you who are new to listeners, if you want to help us out, it really does. There's some future things we'd like to do with things like adding ourselves into YouTube, which is, you know, I have to go then get some more editing, updating our website, et cetera. This is all coming out of the Patreon. So if you want to help us out, that'd be great. If you don't, whatever, it's still a free podcast. Lastly, though, as we always bring up, Brad's an old, old person who's been playing 40K for way too long for an adult.

You know what? Just because the one call-off. You're actually old enough to not be called an adult anymore. I'm a fact-I am an AARP member. You are? Is it 50? What's the 50? It's 50. It's a cow.

So, yeah. So, Brad, for those who don't know what AARP is, just Google. It'll be funny. For all the American members, Brad gets a discount on movie tickets and bus rides. Be it. But he spent the majority of that time of his life playing Warhammer 40K. That's right.

That's the thing you've spent most of your time doing. I've traveled the world for it. Thank you very much. You have, but the majority of your life has been spent playing a Warhammer 40K. Yeah. Sorry. I know you're belittling my, my model. To be honest, to where I am on grappling.

I've been grappling for more than three quarters of my life. Yeah. By the way, with that soldiers, you roll around with sweaty men. Yeah. Hmm. We all have our things. I also play toy solace. soldiers on occasion.

It is very much so on occasion. I don't do it well. You flip the thing. Yeah, I do not do it well. I was going to say you flip the exact same thing. Again, screw you, fly rule. All right. But for those of you who are looking to play 40K and a bit more at a higher level from

wherever you are, or just learn the game, period. Well, it's always going to be a higher level. If they've never played the game before. That's true. You're not wrong. You're technically correct. I'm playing the nowhere to go but up.

Brad's a coach available. I will say when we say Brad's a coach, lots of people claim to be coaches. Brad, to his undying credit, and he will just, he's going to do a little victory dance in the corner while I do this. Brad has won a major event every single year. He's been a top ranked player in the game for a long time. So as a coach, he's bringing extensive experience both to how the game is played and also to like how other people play the game, which is a key thing from coaching. So if you're looking for advice on how to start out playing the game, the game or you've been playing the game for a bit and you just want to get better at it brad's available

and you can try and email him at old man brad 40k at gmail dot com and also the person that took that in the discord was fantastic that was fantastic and i was just teet i've been teasing brad forever that he didn't get that good job brad or you can go to the 40k lorecast dot com and click his link there so anyway let's let's jump into the cast because that's why we're here so let's start with with where we were. So a quick recap of last week. Mortarian arrived in the toxic world of Barbaros, why a place existed, you can hear my complaints last week, certain no purpose. After rising the local population against the Nergel-infused psychic warlords, the emperor denied him his ultimate goal, which was killing the warlord named the care. Mortarian has always hated rulers. He's always felt

that rule was earned, not granted. So even when he, I mean, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, equated rulers with despots. Exactly. And so even when he granted himself his, like, fealty to the emperor, he never really wanted to. However, Typhus, on the other hand, is kind of equally important here. So Typhus was also born on Barbaros, but he was the child of a human mother and a psychic warlord. So he was both an incredibly powerful psycher and extra messed up. Well, it's also that union wasn't consensual.

Yeah, it wasn't. sensual. It's, I mean, this was, it was Zeus. I mean, the truth is, typhus was kind of, was almost like a Heracles type set. Yeah. Where, you know, but a super sketch even. But the, so was Heracles, man. I mean, looks at a true story. Like, yeah, it's like, yeah. I mean, his entire reason for all those things is to go get out of my face for a while. Yeah. I mean, the, the stories of Heracles are basically, my dad kind of cares about me. My dad's wife wants me dead. My mom is a mortal person. And also, it also go, do some stuff far away.

Yeah, exactly. So the typhus, we know where they stole the idea from. Mortarian then joins the emperor as a primark. Typhus is up converted, for lack of a better phrase, to a space marion. A ton of barbarous people are converted. Again, in a wildly too high percentage. Yeah. I mean, this was wild foreshadowing because there was no reason that these guys were just,

hey, our mortality rate is really low. Yeah, for some reason, they put in the 70% functioning organs into me. And then they just, but for us, none of us die. Everyone else dies. So that catches us up. So let's move now into Horace heresy. We move one of the, this is kind of one of the key parts is the purging of the legions. Yes, but like what shows up before then?

Who's the biggest douche in all of 40K? Aramos. Why do you hate this guy so much? he's not real. This makes me so angry. It's just a, he's not a real person. Araba showed up first, they did the Warrior Lodges, and because of the Warrior Lodges, by the way, well, the Warrior Lodges are a great idea, and I've said this in multiple

podcasts now. Yeah, except they're terribly, they're objectively not. The idea is great. Oh, okay, neat. How'd that idea work out? I mean, it didn't. That's how we figured out who we could purge. Yeah.

It's like, oh, it's an objectively great idea, the one that led to the purging of the Legion and the entire of the horse heresy. I said, well, outside of that, the idea was great. Give your ideas, converse with no hierarchy, just, you know, man to man. And then what do they do with it?

The isolated people and murdered everyone. Turned everyone to chaos. Yeah, anyway. But when they weren't doing that. When they weren't doing that, they were having a conversation. They were having great conversation. Leading them towards converting everyone to chaos. Well, I mean, that was a problem idea.

I should probably not have that conversation. But the idea of having conversations between equals, like the round table, was fantastic. That worked out perfect also. The round table wasn't the real thing. It's actually didn't happen. I mean, neither did this. I know. You just compared a fictional thing to another fictional thing saying that that fictional thing A should have worked as fictional thing B worked.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, I feel like my logic is strong here. All right. So one of the things that was critical as we're moving up into this is, as we said last week, Mortarian really didn't feel much affinity towards the Terran-born members of his legions. Remember, every time at Primark took over a legion, all of the space marines that they took over were from Terra. Most of these guys were at least mediocre to pretty okay with the group. Mortarian was not. He struggled. He struggled. He, wanted everyone to be from barbarous, which by the way, Mortarian's not from. He's from. Tara.

And fun thing is, I was thinking about this other day because I'm weird. Does he have a belly button? You know what? I'm the weird guy for going fictional. All of these guys. You went to belly buttons? They have belly buttons. They shouldn't.

They just got abs. No belly buttons. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, GW, don't make my models even weirder. Some of the new models, you're like, hey, like, I don't know who it was at GW this much time designing a nipple, but... On armor? Yeah, but you didn't need to.

Yeah, the Batman. Is it Batman Beyond? The worst Batman, Bob. Yeah, to me, there's not even... I can't. I usually, like, arguing with you and stuff. Nope, that one was... You know what else I haven't seen?

That, just like Avatar. Because it'll look at it and say, that's gonna suck. Yeah, did you just... Screw you, man. You compare it as a Batman forever, and... Matrix 3, you're just really up in the ante here.

Yeah. I genuinely think Avatar's that stupid. You're hurtful talk. I mean, Avatar, too. I also gave a pass to. We're good. There's other movies. I've also seen on the waterfront a few times.

Godfather, there's actually a good movie. And if I'm a nerd, I've seen alien aliens. I mean, hell, I've seen Predator 2 enough times that I, there's something wrong. With the baby predator? Yeah. We can't even go there. We're like, we're going to move. Or Alien versus Predator.

Predator 2. Oh, now you're missing. Alien vs. Predator 2, that is a gem. Because Alien vs. Predator 2 survives on one very simple concept. Every person in this movie is expendable. Let's just kill them all. Predator 2 had a predator that was three to four feet shorter than the original predator. Because the dude was dead.

We're moving on. Things that really went awry, astray. Another word with A, so I keep my illiteration going. All right. So anyway, back to Mortarian. So Mortarian's been converting the death guard over to being mostly people from Barbaros. And as we discussed last time, these people are all servants of Nerville, whether they knew it or not. Also, they don't specifically say it. And I don't think he does it completely on purpose.

But he does get a lot of the original recruits from Tara killed off. Yeah. Like not even before the, before this. Not in a like night lord's creepy way. Oh, he just died. He does kind. He exposes them a bit more. Yeah.

These guys get a slightly higher risk. Yep. And they get a little bit higher mortality rate. So he weeds these out, whether he's trying to do it or not, they never really talk about it. But he does lose a lot of. Yeah, you do have, by the time we get to the horse heresy, the vast majority of his legion is from Barbaros, which is odd, given this stuff.

Now, another key part about that, though, is that. the soldiers from Barbaros don't really get along with the soldiers from Terra and vice versa. So there is a, it's not a, it's not an animosity. They just don't socialize basically. Yeah, I mean, it's different camps, basically. The quote a movie that, I don't know, this West Side story that came out when you were a kid. I know you're not that old. I just mess up with you.

But it is, it is, it's two sides of the track. Yeah. Sorry. You know what? That reference and my snapping is going to mean nothing to say. so many people. Also, haven't seen that one either. I've read it. God damn it. I've read it. I just like, I stopped making you feel old and out of it. Snap chokes for my dance off. It's not even going to make a difference. Let's continue.

You really were of the age to watch whatever was on. There was three channels. Thank you very much. I know. At least I was born after cable was invented. Didn't have it. We didn't have that kind of money. but it existed at other kids' houses. So anyway, on the note of this, with these guys not getting along, this really kind of helped drive a wedge. Because you can imagine you've got these Terrans who are from nobility effectively back there.

You know, they come from one of the most important regions of all of terror from warriors, and they're being paired, sorry, they're being paired with toxic mud farmers. And this is a real thing. not even just toxic mud farmers. It's toxic mud farmers that don't know enough to know that they're toxic mud farmers. You don't even, you don't understand. One of you grew up on Terra. Like, you know, you've probably seen the Golden Palace. The other one was being attacked by plague zombies.

Yeah. You don't have enough knowledge to know that you're beneath me. Yeah. That's how far as guys were. Although I was, when I was writing the notes, I was thinking about, like, it probably is pretty similar to when Sixth Legion arrived on Fenris and was like, oh, so we have to hang out with them. They fix that so fast, though. We'll go over that. I know. We will. When we do the woo-hoo-hoo. That's when I just, I always laugh about thinking about, like, this one was more like, look, guys, there's actually this thing called electricity back, you know, like, that's the comment. Because this is more like them meeting the Amish versus like the guys arriving on Feneres like just looking around going we can leave right

like we don't have to stay here with these people this is genuinely terrifying they're staring people all this is leading us up to the most important part of the horace heresy which is the drop site massacre yeah post horace's corruption the plan was set to purge the traitor legions of any loyalists so remember as we just were discussing here they Well, at this point, way less than half. But a decent percentage of the death guard are Terran born. They have nothing but loyalty to the emperor. Trying to convince them to leave is not going to happen.

Right. The thing is that this is a big deal because you have to go again. We call it the traitor legions and the unloyal. But none of these people think of themselves as this. They think of the, they think of themselves as the people. They're in the right. Yeah. They're doing the right thing.

Yeah. It's not like they went, hey, we want to do evil. things, guys. We're the bad guys. We want to kill people. And everybody went, I'm on board. No, they think they're doing the right thing. And they have, they go, and they had to make impassioned speeches to, hey, we're going to have to kill our brothers because they're not going to go along with this. I like that you're saying that, but world leaders were part of this. World leaders don't come. It's not a real thing. Like, world leaders and night lords are both like, oh, yeah, we're doing that. Okay. We were already going to do that.

Exactly. Oh. Oh, we're the good guys now? So we're just, we're just changing the calendar dates. Exactly. So wait, we're the good guys? Yeah, of course we are. We all knew this all along. But the big thing on this is Deathguard. And I really encourage everybody that's listening, read the Deathguard novels, read the Horse Heresy novels that involve the flight and everything else. I don't be honest.

Read Flight of Eisenstein. Spoiler alert, next guest. We're going to go over it. The Death Guard novels get a little. Yes, but there's some... There's some incredible... Chargers. Yeah, there's great characters,

some great story in there. But you do have some bits of, like, if I skip the next five pages, would it affect anything? But there's like, come on now. Deathguard has people that are... Well, I'm talking about the novels. I'm not talking about the characters.

I don't know. I'm saying the characters in the novels. Like, there's some people that are just great. Yeah. It just there's, there are, and I'm going to, again, if GW starts sponsoring me, I'm having some serious back editing to do in our casts, but I will call out

the simple fact that some of their books are written like there was a word minimum. I mean, sure, I mean, you're not wrong, but there's some great parts of the stories because there's some great characters,

and I'm not even going to go into it. There's a really good death guard character, that stays loyal and he's pretty goddamn awesome yeah oh no we're going to be getting into it don't worry we're going to get it so anyway as we told the story a while back in the horace heresy this von three becomes at the massacre point where they're they're going to effectively send a bunch of loyalists down to take part of what is a fake rebellion and then they're going to kill them while they're down there and so what's what matters for death guard because this is a foreshadow to a lot of other stuff i said There's other things that matter like, I don't know, salamanders and Vulcan taking a nuke to the face.

That's Istvon 4. Oh, that's church. Yeah, we're talking about Istvon 3. So Istvon 3, there's an issue. And the issue for Mortarian is someone named Nathaniel Garrow, who is one of Brad's favorite person. He's so awesome. There we go. So as I've told you guys all in the cast numerous times, when we mentioned Lords of Terra, Brad makes pouty face.

When we mention Erebus, he makes scowly face. but on Garrow, he actually has an ear-to-ear grin. He really does. He's wildly smiling right now. Yeah. He is such a, I love him because he is not overly powerful, overly anything. No, he just goes. He just makes things happen.

He just doesn't quit and just kind of keeps on keeping on. Yeah, and Garrow, to what we were discussing earlier, actually, he is Terran born. He, he, but Mortarian loved him like a son or a son. brother. Yeah, because the guy is a go-getter. He's, the quote they use multiple times, because apparently they can't think of a new one, sorry, but it's stoic bravery, you know, just a terrible phrase. He's good to go no matter what the odds are. Yeah. And Garrow, so Garrow becomes an issue. And this is the reason we're bringing Garrow up is there's a lot of reasons. But one of the big ones is this becomes the first real wedge between more.

Mortarian antiphas. Mortarian loved Garrow and was convinced because Mortarians always convinced he could convert Garrow to his side. Mortarian, by the way, in the entire Horace heresy over and over again, is convinced that he's going to make some loyalist turn traitor. He is over for all of them. Yeah. But not even close.

Yeah. I think he actually convinced people that were on the fence to go the other way. Exactly. Yeah, he is, he, mortarian is one of those people that thinks he's the greatest salesman and is actually the worst. He put no, he put no points in a crisp. Yeah, it's, it's useless. Typhus, on the other hand, knew Garrow was never going to turn loyal. I think he also just didn't like Garrow because of the relationship, the Mortarian.

Oh, that's fair. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I mean, Typhus hated Garrow, though. He hated Garrow and also correctly knew he's never turning. Yeah. Like ever, wherever, he's the most loyal member of our entire Legion.

And we're asking him to do something that's the opposite of loyalty. Why would that work? This is not going to happen. Yeah. And Typhus says, well, I'll just kill him. Yeah.

Well, the funnier part I like about us is that Moratarian actually brought Garrow to a warrior lodge meeting. despite everyone telling Mortarian, don't bring Garrow to our super secret meeting. For sure. He's not welcome here. And Bertrand was like,

watch this, I'll do this. And while sitting there, Garrow looked around and went, yeah, now I'm out. This is not a good idea. This is,

this is heresy. And so, you know, so he, for again, because I like talking crap on Martarian where I can. Also,

I love Garrell, but this is one of the scenes where he could have kept his mouth shut because he sneaks out of the lodge, but not until he, he goes, tells everybody. Yeah. That he thinks they're doing wrong shit.

You're like, dude, you could have just left. Could have just left. Now, he made, he made it clear that I don't agree with any of you. And now I'm going to sneak out. Yeah. It was a weird combo. It was so, yeah. Just open the door.

Yeah. Just go, hey, man, I got this thing. Yeah. And then I got to be it. Instead, he basically, he did the half baked, you know, like, quit. But then, like, snuck out the back. So anyway, but needless to say, the trick. just watched him go, yeah, I don't agree with anything you guys are doing, go to hell, basically.

He told him he would try to stop them. Yeah. Again, he was the only guy in the lodge that said that. And everybody went, we'll, so we got to kill that dude, right? And Mortarian's like, no, no, no, guys, I got this. He's cool. He's cool. And everybody else in the lodge went, and basically, I'm assuming as soon as Mortarian left, looked at Typhus and went, so we're going to kill this dude.

We could kill it that, right? For sure. And typhus went, yeah. Yeah, man. Like, why are we discussing this? Like, it was implied. So this leads to the challenge of Istfan. Now, what kind of saves Garrow is before they go to Istfan, there is one last stop they had to make,

which was at a planet who's, I don't remember the name, and I genuinely don't care. Awesome fight, though. Great fight. Yeah, the scene's awesome, but Garrow ends up getting his. This is one of the. the you know what screws i know it doesn't go completely in this but i'm gonna let brad just fan boy you guys have no idea how happy and excited he is right now and i usually make him sad the first times that they actually saw chaos for a lot of these because this is when they had all these slanesh

infused people demons you know what i mean they fought it was a cult is okay so let's tell let's tell let's tell us right better so there was there was a rebellion on a planet and they were it was slanesh cultists who had been at least partially possessed at this point the whole Horus Heresy, we don't really see a lot of full-blown demons. Right. You see everyone. You need a critical mass. Yeah, the Immaterium's ability to breach into the materium is still limited.

So you're getting things like chaos spawn. You're starting to get, you know, there is, I think the, I believe it was the first Horace heresy novel where they fight like a demon possessed being. But you're not seeing true demons. That comes, that's not until the end of the Horace heresy where there's enough, like, kind of tumultuousness in the in the in the in the in the material mass of it's whatever it is of that cast god gives a critical mass for that is it murder is it excess is it clake is it whatever you know you know whatever it is they get enough of that to start reaching the war of the horace

harris heres just opened it all up so but anyway so garrho is fighting and he's fighting a sleneschie he's slushy infused and he's uh his leg just gets trapped into rebel and he crushed like crush, crush, like the ceiling comes down on. Yeah. The interesting thing about this is to heal his Fabius Biles, actually, who does, who cuts his leg off and puts on a new cybernetic leg. This is, this is Fabius Bile before he's converted to chaos. He's just a very good surgeon at this point. He's awesome, actually. Technically, he's a better one now. Yeah, I was say he actually is better now. He's just messed up. Yeah, it's just him. But he was amazing. He was always,

he was always one of the best surgeons in the entire, like, like, like, not just Legion, like on all that space. But the cool thing is, is this is the first time they saw that kind of full-on slenish. They also have never seen, like, people are moving in vampire, like, oh, yeah. You know, interview the vampire level speeds where the battles, random people are faster than Marines, and they're like, what is even happening right now? The battle is great, but it does end. The challenge here is that Garrow now has a cybernetic leg. And the way that they write it, I like this, is that effectively him and the leg have to get used to each other for him to work normally.

That's what that takes only a few weeks. Because again, this is. And the thing is, it's not just, he instantly has use of the leg. Like, he can walk around. Yeah, he can move around. He just can't move at Space Marines. Right. It's Space Marine speed.

Speed battle coordination of, watch Space Marine 2. The video, they're pretty awesome, by the way. But like, they're doing stuff where, yeah, man, you need to be in full control over your new prosthesis. And so Garrow, because of this, the issue is now they can't send into Istvon. Because despite them wanting to kill them all, you can't kind of give the farm away of being like, oh, yeah, the guy who's not battle ready. Just send them down, you know.

Which is super funny, by the way, because Garrow bitches up a storm. About not being able to go. It does go on like a little bit of a pouty rant. Yeah. And then finds out later, oh, I didn't go down to the obvious trap to get killed. and tries to do something about it. We'll be right back after a quick break. So Typhus has a problem because he promised all of his buddies he'd murder Garrow.

Yeah, he guaranteed it. Yeah, and so he can't put Garrow down on the planet. He then goes to Mortarian also, by the way, after that Warrior Lodge meeting and says, hey, we have to kill Garrow. You get that, right? And Mortarian tells him, do not harm him. Or he uses a very specific, I forget the phrasing. But he uses a very like, it's pretty hardcore about it.

Actually, no, I think Mortarians, I do not place him in harm. I think it was, it was something like, it was something to that level, because it's one of those writing tropes where they were like, well, I'll just not do that. He followed the letter of the law. Exactly. So Typhus decides the best way to handle Garrow is to shove him on this random, like, frigate, called the Eisenstein, which again, when I read the book,

I read as Einstein every single time on every single time. it was written. It wasn't until many years later that someone said, the flight of the Eisenstein, and I went, ah, shit. But anyway, he puts him there under the command of someone named Ignatius Grulgore. Grulgore actions are becoming pretty important in the lore later. So I guess now, too, but whatever. So Tuy Fis then tells Grilgore, look, just do the stuff you have to do on the ship, but don't hide it too much from Garrow so that when Garrow finds what you're doing and gets upset,

just shoot him the face. You know, a pretty basic thing. Anyway, moving forward, because we're going to cover this more on our next cast, but Garrow discovers that Grilgor is going to bomb planet. Garrow then, you know, intervenes. Well, he also finds out that he's not, it's not like this one ship is.

Oh, yeah, yeah. This is all a trap, blah, blah, blah. I'm saying blah, blah, blah, because we and I, when we wrote these notes, I didn't realize what we were going to do next. Now the next cast we're going to be doing gray nights and flight of Eisenstein. I'm just going to really,

I don't know what you guys have to listen to me fanboy over this, what might be the best book in the entire series. It's pretty sweet. Yeah. So what Garo does is Garo ends up killing Rulgor, more on this next week, and taking the Eisenstein and to head towards Terra.

Typhus is not cool with this. And Typhus, we probably should have mentioned earlier, is command of one of the largest battleships in the entire, like, Trader Armada, called the Terminus Est. Terminus S is going to come up a lot. Yeah. So he just starts trying to blow the Eisenstein out of the freaking, you know.

It was a fairly good job for that. Yeah, it gets pretty close. The icing does escape more than that next week. Oh, wait, I was to say, we'll just. Yeah. There's so much to say about that. So anyway, let's just say Mortarian is less than pleased when he discovers what has been going on here.

Let me get my tree together because this is, Bortarian's not my least favorite even remotely, but he's not on my favorites. Mortarian and Magnus are similar. They're both oddly whiny for some of the most powerful beings on the guy. He just also just refuses to acknowledge when shit is not going his way. He still thinks he's going to turn Gero. Yeah. He's on his way to Terra, to warn the emperor.

Yeah. It's actually kind of the interesting thing about this is to me. is Mortarian really still thought he could turn Garrow to his cause, and he was mad at typhus for preventing that. He's also mad at typhus for then also letting Garrow escape to go tell the emperors what's going on. And let's be honest with you, at the time, at this point in time with the death guard, Mortarian, who is, I'm giving the air quotes, the leader of the death guard, because I actually think the typhus might have been the de facto leader at this point in time.

Yeah. Mortarian still believes that he's in the right and that they're not chaos. They're not chaos. That's a thing. Mortarian didn't know at this point that the other legions were corrupted by chaos. It's actually not for a bit longer that he comes to terms with this. So now he's still trying to be team like moral high ground. 100%.

He believes that the emperor, which he's not 100% wrong. the way, which is why Horace got to make this in the beginning. Mortarian 100% believes. And again, it's easy to believe Horace. Horace legitimately has magic powers that make you believe what he says. So I'm giving Mortarian a little bit of leeway on this because, oh, you know, your brother with the magic powers that make you believe what he says. Turns out, oh, you were believing him?

Yeah. You know what? That's actually, that's fair. That seems right. He made a convincing argument, and he used magic to solidify it. That seems okay. So he's on team. You know, the emperor is wronged us.

He has betrayed us because he kind of did. But also, the emperor's a dick, guys. The emperor is not great, but Horace is about to get a lot worse. So like a, like, let's dive into kind of the beginning of the fall for Mortarian is what I'm in the Legion itself. Yeah. I mean, this is the beginning. This is more the fall of Moratarian. This goes quickly.

Yeah. So the early part of the heresy, the death guard are kind of, they're engaged in battles of the Dark Angels. So the Legion is split into two. Mortarian takes the majority. Typhus takes a small little splinterous feet. Typhus goes and kind of attacks, he's just there to be kind of a pain in the ass to the Dark Angels.

Well, he does some. Oh, we'll get there. Well, I was say, he does some, he doesn't just do a little. It's not like he was a pain in the ass. Yeah. because he showed up, went, hey, guys, what's going on? We should talk and then immediately open-fired wrath of con style from two feet away. If you haven't seen that movie, by the way, screw you.

Go watch it. That's right. 1980. That's something. Yeah. Yeah. Older than a lot of our listeners. Most of our listeners.

Yeah, it's fine. So, while Typhus is doing what he's supposed to be doing. which is surprise attack and the Dark Angels to kind of pull down their fighting force. Mortarian just doesn't like a walkabout

and ends up like trying to sway Jagatai Khan to his path. Oh my God, this went badly. Yeah, this was... I forgot about this one actually. Like, this is,

this is worse than the Garrow. This is actually his worst, his worst miss. He lays down his plan and Khan looks at him like he's insane. Yeah. Like just what are you,

Like, what is happening right now? Like, is this, like, at my honor, is this a prank show? Yeah, there's no way the words you just used. Did me, did you hear you? Did you hear you speak? That was basically what Jagadikon said back to him. Like, what's wrong with you? Because Mortarian still doesn't know that chaos exists or doesn't want to believe it.

I don't care which one. Mortarian thinks that the problem is psychic powers. And this is why this gets to be kind of funny. So Mortarian, after meeting, so Con tells him what is best of the truth and screws off. Mortarian realizes that all of his brothers are corrupted. But he doesn't think it's by chaos. He thinks it's by cygers. Because psychers are bad.

Yeah. He hates psychers. So Mortarian decides that all he has to figure out how to just defeat all of the psychers in the world in the universe, and everything is going to be just fine. Yeah, because that's what he did in Barbarus. He had to kill the psychers. Yeah. This does not go. well.

It does not go well. Undersatement of the cast. So Mortarian goes on what I wrote as a vision quest of murder and destruction to find answers. Mortarian. No, pause on that. Yeah. You're downselling this so much. Mortarion goes on a vision quest to try to find answers.

And anybody that talks, he kills, this is like if you're a DM and your players kill all the NPCs and then they can't understand why they can't figure out what's going on. on. It is, and there's some horrible stories in here where he brings Grulgore back to life, you know, by sacrifice. Using psychic powers.

Well, using magic. That's, it is, this is where the book gets a little, like the stories are cool, but it's one of those ones I remember after reading this book and going like, wait,

what just happened? Like, did two different people write the book I just read? That was my actual thought. He eventually meets, effectively a mystic, fate or whatever. Yeah.

I mean, it's a ploy by the chaos guys, but whatever. Well, he meets a woman who, you know, the breadth point, she's, she's a mystic. She's a whatever you want to call it. And he just starts interrogating her. And she just, she just looks at him and goes, I'll tell you everything. Every one of your friends. But she also talks shit to him because she goes, all of these things should be obvious. Yeah, because you're right.

Yeah, she mean, that's why she told him because she wasn't like, like, like, Mortarian had this. It's funny. He's like, I'm going to torture. this person to give me all the information I'm seeking. And the person's like, I'm not afraid of torture. I'm just amazed you couldn't figure this out. So I'll just tell you because I think you're an idiot.

Like if you just give me a glass of water out. Yeah, none of this is a secret. Like you're torturing me to read about reading you, they're telling you the truth that's written down the piece of paper in front of both of us. So I'll just pick the paper up and just read from that. Yeah, is that that, that, you're holding the information. Yeah, all right, let's do this. She just tells him, hey, your friends are servants of chaos.

Oh, by the way, you're a servant of chaos. Your Legion has already been handpicked by one of the chaos gods and is serving that chaos god, period. While we're talking, you are doing it, to which Mortarian gets really upset and unleashes his psychic power, which has been latent this entire time. And he's actually, by the way, maybe the second most powerful. psychic in of all of the primaries. Talk about self-hate. He had to listen to so many Smith albums after this. Yeah.

So the note I wrote here is the meme of, Are We the Baddies? That's Mortarian right now. And he's always been. Yeah. So Morotarian. He's doing the meme from outer space. Yeah.

Always has been. Always has been. So let's dive into the actual fall of Deathguard, because while Mortarian's out doing his little, like, whining walkabout, Typhus is being awesome. Typhus has had a play. I'm laughing with this because it's awesome. Because Mortarian is being sad about the fact that he couldn't see what was happening to him the entire time.

He's just driving by billboards that say all this. Yeah. The entire time he's doing this, his right-hand man, Typhus, has been trying to figure out how to usurp him because he wants the Legion to worship the guy he already has been worshiped. Exactly. Typhus is not thrilled in general with Mortarian, and Typhus decides this is his moment. So he's been trying to figure out a way to usurp Mortarian and actually deliver the full deathguard to Nurgel. The issue is that because of the way the Primarks function with the pseudo-functioning gene seeds, Brad just gets mad every time I bring this up, they don't work.

Typhus can't deliver the death guard to Nergel. Only Mortarian can't, because they all share his gene seed, mortarian's seeds. So typhus needs a way to get Mortarian to do this. Let's back at this up, though. Because no matter how much he wants to say he's the chosen, I mean, he is, but like, at the time, all legions are psychically attached to their primarks. Yeah. Whether they want to or not, you just are.

And we cover this in the Aramuncast that, you know, when Magnus gave himself to Zinch, everyone went. Yeah, you don't have a choice. Exactly. So Typhus has a plan. So he needs to set this up. So the two fleets meet back up. Typhus's fleet and Mortarian's fleet. And this is where they've been told.

all right, go to Terra. So they're about to launch their way into Terra. Just before they enter the warp, Typhus claims that he's caught one of the ship's navigators sending a secret message to Malcador, warning their other plan. So he has all the navigators just murdered on the ship. And Mortarian just looks at him, like,

what the hell did you just do? Yeah, we can't go anywhere. To which Typhus says, it's okay. I'm actually a super powerful psycher, which I do believe Mortarian would have sensed because of typhus's psychics's psychic abilities were exceptional. He would, it was more, he didn't use them. Pouting. This is, this is the Brad thing. This is this is not written anywhere. My take on this was Mortarian was still having a hard time accepting the fact that he's exactly what he which is a super powerful psycher.

Well, yeah, but the thing is, Mortarians command to his legion was you're not allowed to use psychic powers. It was never you're not allowed to be a psycher. So I think that he probably was aware. Yes, but he used his power. I think he was always refusing to admit. How about that? Yeah. I mean, I think he has an issue with this

and Mortarian is pouting. And I think he's still listening to Smith albums. Probably true. It's probably no one listens to the Smith's. You're that old again. I assume your albums are are actually albums. Look, whatever is the emo

music that you want to listen to, I don't know. I'm old. I'm out of the loop. I don't. It's not my style. But anyway. We pick something.

I don't care. Somebody put it in the Discord. Yeah. Who is the current most? I mean, we know the cure is the most emo of all time. That's old too, dude. I know.

I'm saying, I don't know who's modern emo. Billy Elish? I don't know. Wouldn't come up. Anyway. Somebody put this in. Please.

I have a misfits text. two. Let's just move on with our day. All right. So typhus tells Mortarian, don't worry about it. I'm a super powerful psycher. I can steer us through the imitarium. Also, he tells him, and this is how bad of a plan this is, Typhus says, I'm going to steer our fleet. Yeah. Through the immaterium by myself. By myself. Don't want everyone, everyone get close. I'm going to get us through this storm. And Mortarian, for whatever reason, is like, yeah, That sounds like a good plan. Also, Typhus had to be like, really?

Yeah. Like, no objection? Okay, okay, yeah. No objection? Yeah, yeah. Oh, he just said yes. Okay. I'm assuming he had like six other.

Yeah. He'd been practicing this speech for a while. He was like, okay. He's going to say no to this for sure. But then I'm going to say this. It opened with yes. And Typhus went, ah. I guess.

Like, really? Like, are you sure? Went and still went through his speech and mumbled it in the corner because like, I practiced. I've been doing this for two days. Yeah, I'm still doing it. So anyway, this was obviously an incredible lie. As soon as they enter the warp,

Typhus just opens the ship up to Nergel. He opens all. Yeah, all the ships to Nergel. And just Nergel just goes through. I actually don't remember if in the books he turned off the Geller Fields or what happened, or if it was just that because Typhus was so inviting and Nergel had been waiting so long he just forced his way through them. They don't make it 100% on that. I don't know if it ritualed up because, again,

And Typhus isn't in it by himself. He has a top. Oh, there's other people in there. But it's everybody, they allude to the fact that typhus has cohorts on all the ships. So whether they turn up the gather fields, whether they were just doing rituals. Who knows? But Nergel is in every ship. Every ship.

And it has a few stages. So we're going to get through this. The first stages is basically everyone just is paralyzed. Well, remember also, all of this is happening. and they are now currently, quotation marks, lost in the... Yeah, because they're not lost because typhus is steering them through it. I'm saying, for the people that are not in the know, they are now adrift in the... It makes a difference to mortarians.

Yeah. What he agrees on. Another key piece here is, as we're about discuss what happens here, they're not aware of the existence of chaos. Correct. So this, what's about to happen here is psychotic. So the space marines all, literally, they just fall down, they're paralyzed, which then leads to what's called the destroyer plague, which is not a plague. It's just a, well, I guess it's technically a plague. It's not a fire.

It's a lot of fire. It's a lot of place. Yeah. The destroyer plague is crazy because it's actually spread by warp flies. These are almost microscopic flies, because you can't see them, but they're just small enough that they're like dust particles that fly around. that way they can fit through the cracks in your armor because obviously space marine armor would have cracks in it, right Brad?

We'd have lots of cracks in it for that things in. It's literally vacuum seal. Is it? Is it not all the way? Just kind of vacuum seal. What do you mean? Not all the way. Just kind of vacuum seal.

You're not going to get me that job. I'm not going to go down this run. So these little flies then come in and they lay eggs inside of their victim, which then when they reach mature, maturity burst, to make their organs burst open and a whole bunch of new flies come out and they just goes person to person. This is how the destroyer plague is spread.

It just goes person to person. It's so horrific because you don't die fast. Yeah, well, actually, you don't die. Well, that's the problem. Well, yes. Regular people would have died Marines. Because they would have exploded. But yeah, the problem is that what then happens is what's called Nergel's rot.

So at this stage, it's the body because as when the destroyer plague, it's not just Marines, anyone who gets hit with the destroyer plague, as it bursts out. It's worse from Marines because they can just exist longer. That's true, yeah. They then begin to rot. So while they're still alive.

They bloat. Yeah, will you bloat? Well, this is a big deal. This is how ridiculous is insanity, how the bloating is. They bloat so much that their seramite arm. bends from the internal loading. Pushing out. Yeah, it's like the pressure inside must have been just torturous.

And again, you're like, hey, that metal that's way tougher than steel. Yeah, that's bending from my body. And in my body, it's not because my body's shifting. It's because there's so much swelling of pus and infection that's actually pushing out. But the important piece is it doesn't come with death, just pain and suffering. But there's even more to this. It also rots your soul. So not only is your body hurt, but your soul is actually rotting and decaying.

So the pain here is unfathomable. Most people, the idea is a lot of them actually just, you have two choices. Commit suicide, which may or may not work. because Nergel's there, or the whole time, Nergles in your ear. He's just waiting for you. Saying, do you, I can relieve you. It's, no, I will make it so you don't to die.

Yeah, yeah. That is always the, again, you go into the, all of the stories and fantasy of, you have to read the bottom of. I'm pretty sure he also relieves their suffering. I don't think it's that. I think he takes away your suffering. So you continue to rot and decay, but you're not in abject painting. Right.

You're just like, oh, this. This is me now. Okay. So anyway, this is just, this just spreads through. Mortarian out of the whole group actually gets, well, he's not getting the worst of it, but mortarian is horrified by this. Because not only is, are they space marines who, as we've discussed numerous times, are immune to toxins and poisons and viruses.

They're barbarous Marines. They're barbarous Marines. They're who take in extra toxins to make themselves extra resilient. and they're just dropping. My note here is pretty disappointing, Brad, when your anti-poison army falls to poison. Jesus, I... I'm no...

There's no words. There are no words. I'm just going to get more wine. So, Mortarian... Even Mortarian, though, is succumbing to Nergles rot. And Mortarian realizes he's pissed. Well, let's pause on that. Mortier, you make it like a quick...

thing. Mortarian is might be the worst because he's a primar. He's supernatural. He's a demigod. Yeah, nothing hurts. Yeah, he's got ten times more than everyone else has, and he's soldiering

through it because of the whole demigod thing. And Mortarian realizes this is Typhus. Typhus did this. And he basically drags himself to the bridge of the ship to front typhus who looks at him and just goes, yeah, I told you this. Yeah, what are you talking about?

Like, like, like, and so what typhus tells him, just accept Nurgel. And Mortarian beats Typhus to death. And then just, just beats him to death and stabs him through. And Typhus also just doesn't do shit about it because he wants to show him the power of my lord. Because as soon as he kills Typhus, Typhus resurrects because Nergel is there. And Nergel. Antifus?

At this point in time, they're in the warp, so Nurgle's power is infinite. Exactly. If you can't, if Nurgle wants you alive, you're alive. Yeah.

It's just, it is, everything he wants to do is, it just happens because you're in his layer, basically. You're in the Imitarium, fully in the imitarium.

You're not just peeking in. You can do anything he wants here. So, like, he just pops back up. He's like, he can do it anything. So now, we're going to take what's actually a really well-written story, and I'm going to press it down to like two minutes.

Also, read this book. That's why, because this part of the book's cool. At one point when Mortarians on his murder rampage to gather information, he resurrects Grulgore, who we're going to cover more in the next episode, but Rulgar is back and he is a plague. Rilgar is the life eater virus. That's actually what they call him is the life eater virus. I don't know.

This drives books cool. It drives me nuts because it's like, wait, Mortarian wasn't chaos, but then he made a demon. This is, yeah, I'm okay with this in a little bit because

because of everything happening with Horace and everybody pushing in Arab is a shitty ass, convincing everybody, they were effectively, a lot of the things that these Warrior Lodge did, badly, was they convinced everyone that as long as you had

a greater good. And what you're going to say? Everything was... Mortarian made a demon. Yes. But he didn't, in his mind, he didn't make a demon. While searching to see if demons were real. He could just look to the left.

Correct. Like, oh, it's right there. But he sacrificed people and that's the whole thing. He eventually realizes that, oh, shit, I've been on the road to darkness for, well, a long time. I can't see... I'm so far down the road. I can't see the light.

Yeah. And also until about right this second, I still thought I was the good guy. But part of this when he made Grilgore, Grulgore was, you know, his pawn effectively. So he could command Grilgar do it every once. So back to the bridge, Mortarian has just killed Typhus. Typhus got back up, made fun of him. Mortarian says, well, watch this. He brings in Grulgore.

Grulgur kills Typhus again. Typhus again is resurrected and then him and Grulgore basically high five each other. Well, Grulgore isn't Grugor at this point in time. He's fully possessed. Well, yeah, he's a, but he's the life feeder virus. What happened, but the next bit of this is actually cool. So Grulgore and Typhus high five and start making fun of Mortarian for being an idiot. And then Grulgore suddenly just dissolves into a puddle. and as he dissolves into the puddle, all of his energy goes into typhus.

And typhus basically doubles in size and becomes the bloated giant corpse. I mean, Typhus' model is cool. The model's always been cool. Both versions of it, the original and the new one are really great. Typhus then falls down as his body swells, sits up and just sputters out the word more.

and his body, just millions, billions of these plague flies come out of his body, and this is the end. The entire, the entire destroyer plague overwhelms the entire ship.

Mortarian is dropped to his knees. I mean, it makes me worse. He's just lying on the ground in a puddle as this, as he's rotting, and Nurgles just in his ear. He again makes the shitty D&D

and he'd fantasy trope because he's told hey, I can take this away, I can make everything great. And he goes, I'm not going to look at any of the fine print. Yep. And Mortarian agrees. And as soon as Mortarian agrees, that's it. The plague is still there, but the pain goes away.

And the entirety of the Death Guard legions stand up. Mortarian actually begins to convert at this point, the demon prints you see today. He completely transformed. Yeah, so you've got the wings. God, that model's awesome. Yeah. God, that models awesome. It is that in bellicor for, I think, best 40K model.

Bortarian has so much stuff going on. If you guys have not, painters in our channel and listening stuff, if you haven't got a chance to paint a mortarian, I highly recommend. Let me state that. Painters on channel who are good at painting. Well, I mean, because the Mauritian model, if you're not good at painting, is it's that in Belichor.

Because there's so many things that are happening. You'll just constantly like, Oh, I also should do that part. Oh, I should also do that part. Yeah. Because he's got a lot of stuff going on on him. We'll be right back after a quick break. So Mortarian, the reason that this is important is,

Mortarian rises as a demon prince with the entire Legion, but Nergel knows who his true champion is. What's the origination of the destroyer? This is. This is. This is. This is. Yes, Typhus.

So from there, we'll move on to kind of the end of the heresy, where the analogy I had here is that, If a Simertarian become the Cobra Commander, because they just, they keep almost doing stuff. It's like, for all the end of the Horace heresy novels, they get really close to doing something really, really important. I'm going to get my cheat together. What? Because I hate when they use a specific Legion or a thing to show how good other people are. Oh, the Iron Warrior's got a worse one.

Yeah, but I'm just- They got wrecked in the stories. But I'm just saying, like, they are almost always winning. They're doing the thing, but it's always to set up someone else doing someone else doing something cool. And that's kind of why I just want to skip through this. But the truth is, is that, yeah, I mean, like, they almost breached the Astronomicon. They almost breach the Colossie Gate. I mean, it's always, it's always an almost, but it never does anything.

It's just, but I'm saying it's always the, they pump them up to make the other people. people look better when they defeat them. So anyway, just very quickly, so that's the end of the horse heresy. After the heresy and the scouring, the death guard just boogie out, out back into the eye of terror. They don't split, though, as well as a lot of other legions completely. Oh, no, they went back as one. Yeah. However, Mortarian once there is just sad because he realizes, to Mortarian's credit, he realizes he just became Nekern.

He is everything he always, he never wanted to be. He's this. But he's, well, it's worse. I'm going to give you this. It's worse. He became everything that he swore not to be, but wait, there's more. He's also a servant to another powerful. And he's even more subservient to him.

That's my point. Not only did it become the thing that he hated, but he went full circle back to, I'm a a slave. Yeah. So to make his life better, he takes a planet in the eye of terror and names it Plague Planet, which I believe my note is A plus naming by GW, guys. Way to really phone this one in. I mean, again, Latin Plaga, you could have just gone with Plaga, but no, Plague Planet. And he wants to pout for forever. Yeah, and he remakes barbarous with it. But this time he put himself into Carras Fortress, and he's just going to, his idea is, I'm just going to hang out here for eternity. You know who doesn't think that way?

Yeah, Typhus tells him to go F himself. No, uh-uh. Typhus is pissed. So, Typhus basically, you can really just one of two ways. The way that they wrote it, which is fine, which is that Typhus is just so loyal to Nergel that he wants to do his bidding and impress him, which is probably, which is exactly what GW meant. But I'm me and I'm like, do whatever I want. I read that Typhus was just bored and had ADHD. And it was just like, but there's, there's living things we can go corrupt.

And so he decides to just become a legendary figure within chaos. And he also insta sells his soul. Oh, yeah. He doesn't even give, he doesn't talk about people that didn't read the dotted line. He's like, oh, yeah, whatever. There's nothing on that below the dotted line that I care about. This is awesome. I mean, yeah.

So Typhus effectively gives more tearing the, finger because he tells him off or does this, then goes and grabs a terminus-esque battleship and just goes back into the material. I do need to point that out. We're not, a lot of times we're saying, you know, told him off, no, typhus goes to Mortarian. It walks up to him and says, basically, your trash, you don't serve Nargle, I serve Nargle. And then he leaves.

He had no reason to do that, by the way. Yeah, you could just left. Yeah. It was important to him. And the terminus says, one little, this isn't important. but I like it. The terminus S, the entirety of Death Guard, as Typhus goes to leave, one thing that we're not going to cover in this cast is some of like the individual like units and vehicles of Death Guard. Anyone who plays Death Guard or has seen Death Guard on the table,

they know the Death Guard vehicles what they look like. You know, they are, they actually have teeth. They're in fused though. Now they are living entities. Exactly. One of the coolest ones of this is the Terminist-est Battleship, which, now is a living battleship. It's why it's still around. It has bone, teeth, rotting flesh all over it. But it regenerates. Exactly.

The Terminus S has been defeated multiple times, and it just still exists. As it jumps back into the warp. You can then go back to the warp, and it will heal itself up because it is a living ship. Yeah. It's pretty goddamn awesome. And so the Terminus S, because of that, it's also, it's not really subtle. So when it arrives in your system, you're aware it's there because it kind of, kind of stands out a little bit.

So Typhus then decides to just spread disease and decay throughout the emperor, the imperium. And I laugh at this because we've been trying to compare him to Abidon and Aramon. Abidon was obsessed with overthrowing the emperor. That's everything he wanted to do. Aramon wanted to learn the secrets of the galaxy, usually so he could save his legion from it. Typhus just wanted to do the things. He's the truest father, follower of a god. Yeah, he just wants to spread death in the key.

The only plan he has is the bidding of Nurgle. And he realized, and Typhus goes hard to the paint for this. So the first one he does is he just takes the destroyer plague, which had, which is what converted his legion over, and just starts spreading it throughout the galaxy, planet by planet. The problem with this, though, is that the destroyer plague is too effective. Yeah, well, it's, but it's too effective, but it's also limited. The destroyer plague, it's incredibly contagious, but spreads through bugs, but it spreads really quickly and infects everybody.

So the example I use for those of us who know the world is Ebola. We always talk about Ebola, Ebola outbreak, but it always goes away. It's because the Ebola, it's the virus, it infects, so it has almost no incubation period. It's almost instant. And it kills you really quickly. So it's hard for it to spread. The destroyer plague will conquer a planet, but it doesn't, it, it, it doesn't. It's so quick, it's hard for it to get off planet because you become plague bears, who become

beacons of the plague, but you don't have that situation where someone can, like, end up sneaking onto a ship and then maintaining off world. And typhus just, but typhus is not going to be held back by this. And he decides to just go, all right, I'll just put it on more worlds, primarily hive worlds and forge worlds. He kills trillions. Yeah. He does take it a special interest in shrine worlds, though.

He does like doing that. I think this is just because he's him. This is a big deal because at this point in time, for a bit, Nergo goes from the number three or four God to the number one God. Because of this. And it's because of typhus. Like one person, like literally one guy's efforts completely shift the balance of power in the inventory.

Yeah. Typhus, Nergel really likes himself, some Typhus. Yeah. That being said, though, this is where I love Typhus. We're going through all this, and Typhus realizes he's just not doing enough. Which is hilarious. Like, he's like, no, I am killing trillions in service of Nergel. Nope.

So he actually goes back to Nergel's garden to start figuring out what can we do. He meets with Nergel, which is crazy. Yeah, that's later. first, the funnierggell's garden, while he's in Nurgel's garden, an army of corn invades. Because as we said in those casts, they would randomly attack each other. Typhus single-handedly kills a demon prince. Yeah. Which I also, not important but fun side.

Now, it occurred in bubbling gully. That was actually the name of the area. Everything from Nergeles. It's always great. Yeah, it occurred in bubbling gully. So after Typhus kills a demon. Demon Prince of Corn. Nergel goes,

Hey, man, why don't you come, why don't you come up here and let's give you a real tour of the facility and myself? And so they come through at, you know, Nergel actually allows Typhus to dip his Man Reaper in the pool that sits around Nurgel's throne, which turns it into it,

basically a true weapon of plague. It's an artifact. Yeah, but unfortunately, they didn't give it a cool name. It's the only one. He's got, He has a sithe that's been dipped in the power of Nurgle. He should have a named weapon.

Yeah, it's just called, I think it's powered Scyth. It's doesn't. It's just a man reaper. It's, yeah, anyway. But more importantly, Typhus has now been given full access to the Nurgles Garden, and he can make his own plagues. Well, there's, in Nurgle's garden is unlimited plagues. Yeah.

And there's access to everything. Yeah, and he starts mixing and matching. And this is where Typhus gets to be kind of actually funny slash... I mean, it's horrific. It's horrific. But he starts making up new plagues to torture humanity with. They're specific plagues. Yeah.

The first one, which is a bit more normal, there's a shrine world named Johan. And what he does with Johan is he creates a pandemic that just makes it to every male who just touches the planet instantly dies. So I like this idea because the Imperium then just has to, to abandon the world. They can't do anything with it because you can't, I mean, you could put us sisters there, but no one could ever check on them if they're male because they auto die. Yeah. So that's the first one. The next one, though, is the better one, which is Legeta.

So he unleashes something called a plague song. I had to read this three times because I was like, there's no AGW actually was this funny. And they were. It's the same thing as the destroyer plague. But the entire time. Bananas, though, what they do. Yeah. But the entire time as you're rotting, you sing a song. Everyone, the entire planet in unison. Yeah, nonstop until they fully rot away. Yeah. And they can't stop themselves.

Also, they're conscious. Again, because why not be a dick? Make them aware as their bodies move, not because they want them to because they're being. They just have to. He made a plague song. And he only did this one time. That's only a complaint. Like, this should be a...

I mean, again, just because I like dumb rules for GW. Give me this one. My opponent has to sing a song. I mean, then we get into what is in the game. Fine. I mean, this is a big deal. This is the game. Yeah.

This is 40K. So this is Typhus. He'd had his fun. And he decides to go. And this is horrific. That's seven R is right there. Yeah. the zombie plague doesn't kill you even remotely right away.

No. You are a passenger in your own body, which again, he did in the song, in the plague son. He did it, but this one's... But then this is so much worse. This one's way worse. So the zombie plague is all, has a couple pieces, a couple pieces to it. The first one is that it's actually not spread person to person. It's spread through the warp.

And it affects, it can only infects someone. who's lost all hope or faith in their own life. Pretty good target for hive worlds. I was just about saying, so everybody on a hive world? Once infected, you rot from the inside out. You cough yourself to death. And as soon as you die, like the moment you die, you reanimate as a zombie that then bites people and gives them the plague.

So it also can spread that way. But the best thing about this, I can, you are still in your body and you have zero. You were literally a passenger. You're in viewer mode. Well, and I also like this. The irony of this is this is the only time that the weird ecclesiarchy thing actually helps. You could pray away.

Yeah, that's what it is. So the ecclesiarchy, so if you're in a hive world, the people who are praying away, the virus actually will survive. They'll survive. Yeah. Like for once praying away. way will work. Yeah.

Just though, we spend about 2,000 years of this just terrorizing the Imperium. And this is when Nurgel becomes the big. Yeah, because, yeah, the first, well, the first example of Brad's point was 757 of M41, the Hydrominoris is the hive city. The Imperium decides just to call the planet a loss. 23 billion citizens are lost in the plague. Then he starts just jumping around all over the galaxy. And he's just, and this is the, this is how insidious, this is why Nergel is the most fucked up.

Because Typhus does Tokyo drift drive-bys. Yep. He just infects planets and leaves. He doesn't fight. And that's the thing is this, Nergel isn't something where you can battle line, you know, all of the other gods you can show up and you can fight. You can fight them. And Nurgel just in there. Yeah.

And he's there and he's weights. Yep. So we'll fast forward a little bit. Typhus is having a time of his life. Now we get to like 2017. And now I'm singing that in my head. So GW decides to release a Primark. And they release Mortarian in 2017,

which means we have to bring Mortarian back into the lore. I mean, I said because Mortarian was effectively out of the lore for 6,000 or more years. Well, I'm not doing. He never had a model. Typhus has the model. He was gone. They barely even mentioned him. That's my point. And then he comes back. And he comes back and he comes back aggressively. And I'm going to give GW credit we're going to do here. They bring him back, but they still keep Typhus as a number one. And we'll get there in a minute. So, Kadia has fallen. The Great Rift has split the galaxy in half.

And Mortarian decides just to be on Team Nergel now and start spreading disease. Well, he also goes baller style because he's like, hey, what's the place that's never been conquered. And he just goes, I'm going to the realm of Ultramar. Well, the tyrants did a few hundred years before that. They didn't, again, they didn't succeed. They did not. I said never been conquered. Yeah, I wonder

does Mortarian succeed? Well, let's talk about it. Anyway, sir, it's a podcast. I'm not telling a story. I can be honest about this. I mean, the other person, the other primark that came back into addition was Bobby G. Yeah. Bartier gets his ass kicked

every single way. His army, the plague, hand-to-hand combat. This is all about. So, Mortarian comes back to his 2017, right before the beginning of eighth edition, right, start of eighth edition. They come in. The Plague Wars are actually more in ninth edition. But Gilliman has returned. He's now running the Imperium.

And Mortarian decides to go hit his homeworld. Bobby G's not happy about that. And Bobby G. does not take this well. And so he boogies over to go He also at the time is leading

the largest army since the Crusades. He started the Indominus Crusade and he had pumping out Primaris Marines. He has a gigantic army. But Mortarian is not alone.

He's got two people with him. One is actually Typhus who's only there because when Mortarian says, hey, I'm going to go attack Ultramar, Typhus goes, yeah, that sounds fun to me. And then he's got a great unclean one with him, whose name I'm forgetting off the top of my head.

Did he not bring Rodigas in at one point in time? It's not, he had a different name, because Rodigis, I'd remember. So Typhus is like, all right, let's do this. Before they go, Typhus does have it out with Mortarian. And he says before they go and attack Ultramarine, He tells Mortarian, I have no respect for you. The only reason I'm doing this is for Nergel.

And so basically, don't mistake my presence for support, because I will drop you in a second if I have to. He also does this on the bridge. Yeah, in front of everybody. Typhus hates Mortyran. He also gives no shits. Yeah. I actually don't.

He's just like what? Yeah, I mean, because Aramon's not this nasty. No. Aramon's runs all the time. Yeah. I'm saying to Mag. Like, this is the only. only one I can think of who's this insubordinate. It's because he does his face.

Yeah. It's pretty fun. He doesn't do it like in a, I'm in a video chat with you. He does it from, Hey man, I can touch you right now and screw yourself. Yeah.

So initially, mortaring the death guard, like always, are very successful. They're ripping through Ultramar, moving the way, but then Gilliman appears. And as soon as Gilliman arrives,

the thing about Gilliman, Gilliman can fight, depending on which data sheet you have of him through the, through the eras, fight better or worse, other versions of himself. But Gilliman, more importantly, is an incredible general. For those of us who paid early 8th edition when he could create full hits, yeah. Full hits, reroute hits and wounds, but also.

But that was accurate, though. That's how powerfully. But he also doesn't just do this. He also has a team of scientists that are constantly working on how to fix this. Strategically. And he's, he's bombing his own guys, but he's bombing them with. pures and things that halt this and they don't let it mutate. So he's actually taking back the planets because that's the problem is a lot of these.

I fought off all the plague marines. I fought off all the plague bears, the nergling things, but my planet's still ruined. I got 10 billion Coxwalkers. He ended that in a lot of these planets. Gilliman is, if we look at all the prime marks, in my opinion, Gilliman is the ultimate force multiplier. You put Gilliman in there and just your forces fight 50s, 60% better, which is, again, why early 8th edition, Gilliman was...

Star Wars fans, he's got battle meditation. Oh, I was just kidding. So early 8th edition, Gilliman had a bubble of full re-roll hits and wounds. They had to take it away from him. Because it was... It was too broke. It was so good. That with Hellblasters double...

Then you could just put in add unit whatever. Yeah, but with Hell Blasters, it was extra spicy. But anyway, Gilman then turns the battle. as the battle's turning Nergel just kind of gets bored because now it stagnates and just and tells us. He's not pushing more worlds for it.

This is now a fight and that is for his brothers to do. Yeah, Nergel. This is a corn type thing. Yeah, I'm out. This is a Slenash type. You're like, hey man, this isn't what I do. Yeah.

You know. This is boring. Everyone come home. And typhus goes to leave. But Mortarian stays because he wants to kill Gilliman. That's the only reason he was. He specifically wants to go kill G-Man.

And Typhus, again, takes a moment before leaving, looks more tearing in the eye, and tells him to go to hell. Yeah, well, he basically tells him also, you're in this for all the wrong reasons, effectively. He gives him a weird speech and be a team player kind of thing. Yeah. And Typhus was completely correct,

because the reason that Martin, that the Nurgel wanted them to pull out was he knew that there was a bigger danger here. Mortarian actually does beat Gilliman. He pins Gilliman to the ground and actually breathes plague into Gilliman's mouth, which kills Gilman. Except, Gilliman has just not that long ago been standing in front of the emperor. For a while. Yeah, hanging out. Gilliman, as he's about to die, the light of the emperor reaches him.

He doesn't blow up. You put explodes, but he effectively gives a freaking Naruto. I don't even know. What's the... I don't watch anime, so I need you to film this one. He gocuses him up. He power level 10,000s him, and just gives him a beam of death. Yeah.

But the beam of... But the beam reaches into the war. Exactly. He hits him with a soul attack, basically. It's so crazy. So this beam shoots out of Gilham. and this beam of light into Mortarian, but because of its source power,

it actually destroys Nurgel's garden. Yeah, he hits him with a soul attack. Yeah. So good job, Mortarian. So neither say Mortarian then gets back to the imitarium and gets yelled at again, this time by Typhus and Nergel. Well, you just ruined, you like, hey man,

remember when you ruined everything? Yeah. Like, remember we told you not to do this? Yeah, also good job on winning the fun. and losing the war. Yeah, you guys are, you are useless. Typhus is livid, by the way, at this moment. Absolutely livid.

Now, unfortunately, for the current timeline of the death guard, after all of this happened, they went in a different direction and just kind of went, ah, you lost and moved on. Yeah, well, it's, they stopped being the plot child of GW. So this, that, that basically, brings us to 10th edition where we have typhus is still raging, Mortarian is

touting, but is, is appearing. Well, Typhus is still trying to push the destroyer. I mean, the zombie play. Yeah, he's trying to push that. And he's still doing a good job of it, but it's a side plot. Yeah, it's there. We'll see what happens. I mean, every, as we move through editions, different people come up.

And right now, GW has been on a Zeno kick, which I fully support. Tiernids are coming. Yeah, the Ternids are coming and Neckrons. Yeah, it's just way more interesting to me. But anyway, with that, that's kind of, I think, a good enough coverage for Death Guard. I mean, it brings us completely where we are. And I think it sets a good stage for what the dynamic right now for NERDA is.

Yeah, and Death Guard. And this is where this is where. Because people have asked, what about Death Guard episode? This is where we're going to do it. Again, I didn't play diving into the individual units of Death Guard because they're not, it's like 20 minutes of, oh, yeah. They are. This is the overall. It's just, it is. I like the story of Death Card.

Now, one thing that happened as we were writing this is, I wrote about Nathaniel Garrow. Brad got to talk about Nathaniel Garrow. So there's no way we're not going to do this. So next week, we're going to start, we're going to do a two-part coverage of the Grey Nights. It's going to be the first episode is not actually going to be about the Grey Nights, but more about their origin. It has nothing to do with the original Grey Nights. It has to do with the original story that at the end goes, And then. And then, and then we're going to stop and do that one.

So, like, you're going to appreciate what I did here. So next week, we're diving into the origins of the Grey Knights with the Knights with the Knights errant in the flight of the Eisenstein. So Brad's going to be happy. But until then, this has been John Barsati and Bradchester. This guy. See you then.