The 40k Lorecast - Episode 56 - Adeptus Mechanicus pt 1 - Rise of the Mechanicum and creation of the Adeptus Mechanicus

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

On today’s cast we begin our dive into the Adeptus Mechanicus. We open with the origins of the Adeptus Mechanicus from well before the even the unification wars. From there we move onto the civil war that engulfed Mars that led to the rise of the Mechanicum. We then do a quick jump into the formation of Servitors and their value to the Mechanicum. After this we move into the arrival of the Emperor and the assimilation of the Mechanicum into the Imperium. We then close on the events of the Horus Heresy with the rise and fall of the Dark Mechanicum and the final creation of the Adeptus Mechanicus.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast. With me, John Barcotti and Bradchester. This guy. Today's cast, we're going to be entering a series of casts, focusing on who is the most messed up faction in all of 40K lore. It's pretty dark. Yeah, the contenders are Admec, Drew Carrey, and Sisters of Battle.

I think for some of you might be saying, why the admec? Give me two casts, and you'll figure out. This one won't sell it all the way, part two. Anyway, so we'll start with the admec, which is, and their fun interpretation of the value of a living being. Which is negative three? Yeah. So, as always, though, before we begin,

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Because when I say 20 years, he gets upset. When I say 30 years, he's like, well, not quite. So be specific, John. Yeah. People, I don't know when they're going to listen to this. They might listen to this in 2027. True story. Yeah.

So Brad's in playing 40K competitively since before Y2K. In 2027, will I care? Will I be alive? That's a fair point. Yeah. But, yeah, Brad, Brad's 40K. predates broadband internet. That is true.

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because John hates me yelling that out. Just so much. Or just go to our website, the 40K lorecast.com and click it. So with that, let's jump into the admec. Kind of before we begin, just overview of the admec of what is an admec,

especially for anyone who's like maybe newer to the game, you're playing Space Marine 2 or you're playing Road Trader or really any of the games. You ad me are one of, in my mind, the most prevalent factions in the games of 40K, but you don't really interact with it. They're very rarely a subject you would play.

Well, it's weird because they're their own thing, because they have been their own thing, even before the crusade, even beforehand after the Crusades, ADMEC is ADMEC. Yeah. The forges of Mars have been their own thing. The emperor had to go get his treaty with Mars.

Yeah, but let's focus on the ADMEC are. So the ADMEC are, there's a technology, technology obsessed. We're going to with people in heavy air quotes. We'll get into why later. But they are also the technology and manufacturing arm of the Imperium.

All the munitions, vehicles, starships, now Primaris Marines, are made by the A-BEC. Well, in a laugh, we'll go into it more, but like, I do love the fact that ADMEC are all about technology, but their focus on, their greed. Of technology.

It's critical. Well, it also, lost them. They, they had their, they're in their own dark ages because they wouldn't share between each other and certain techno warlords at the time. And even now, wouldn't share their, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're lost so much tech because, and they are also, honest, even though they're, they're tech guys, they still have their own religion, I guess you would call it. Yeah. The ad meck effectively, they're incredible engineers, they're incredible manufacturers, and all these things because they also worship technology.

And one of the key parts of the ad mech, which is the dark thing, is they also don't worship organic matter. They view all flesh as being flawed and weak, and they don't want to preserve it. It's a big thing on this is because every time, especially in military incursions, anytime they have a setback, it's always on how the flesh failed them every time. And so those are, you'll hear them, you know, my organics have failed me is a common line that they'll use amongst GW when you're reading about Admec. But to kind of help understand where they, what they are now, let's talk about where they come from. The Admec are the oldest faction in the Imperium.

Obviously, they don't predate mankind, but they're the oldest faction because they actually weren't organized before. Well, they predate the Imperium. Yeah, but by a wide margin. Yeah, I was to say by a wide margin. They eventually became the mechanics. them, but they actually stemmed from further back than that, because as you could imagine, when mankind first went to settle the stars, the first stop on the way out of the galaxy was Mars. So they did that.

And this was done during the age of technology, which is prior to the age of strife. Oh, and this is the pinnacle of mankind was during the age. This is, I mean, exactly. The Great Crusade, definitely not the current version. all of this pales in comparison to the age of technology. It was the greatest moment of mankind. Mars gets fully terraformed. It was not a red planet.

It was actually green. It was beautiful. Yeah. We actually made, we screwed up Terra, and then we made Mars for a while. Yeah. It goes back to the old version. As a result of this, as we're going, the one thing we touched on it a little bit again. It was like 50 episodes ago, so I don't really remember.

we didn't record all these back to back. So I actually don't always remember we recorded a full year ago, but I remember bits and pieces that we did at least talk about when during the age of technology, mankind was kind of more of a conglomerate. So Terra and Mars were not governed by the same entity. They had independent entities. They existed peacefully, but Mars was its own place.

And the people from Terra and people from Mars did have somewhat different goals. Well, the mantras were a huge different too, because AdMAC, the people of Mars were more we need to figure out new technologies, forge them, make us better, even then. Yeah, I interpreted it as being the people who came from Earth were focused on colonization of like we're going to be on, we're going to spread our, we're going to spread ourselves out. We're going to be on more worlds as a Mars, we're looking for resource. We're going to go get better resources to build greater things because they were at this stage. The scientists is the best way to look at it. They were a scientist and the manufacturers. And they're looking to make it, well, for them, they want to find the perfect.

Yeah. This, though, begins to change. Around this is the same time the Eldar started leaning pretty heavily into what I referred to as the F-around phase. It was getting pretty dark. And the warp begins to get more and more turp. This is where the first navigators are actually born. So as we said before, a funny thing that happened,

a little side note, but fun story. The navigators were born during this era. Prior to the navigators, we actually were sending fleets of ships throughout the galaxy on like thousand-year journeys where multiple generations would be born and died on this ship till they landed there. It's also funny to be really bummed

when you're on a generational ship and you show up at your destination and people are like, oh, hey. Yeah, they're already there because a warp drive has been invented thanks to a navigator. Yeah. And you're landing on this what was supposed to be a garden world and it's already fully colonized. Yeah, like, we already wrecked this place. Sorry.

Yeah. Oops. Anyway, this is where also the STC, the standard template constructs were created. They were created largely by the admec, which is ironic that, you know. You mean the Garden of Eden creation kit? Yeah. Yeah, the Geck. They were building their gecks.

And this allows, at this moment, mankind is, it's going. We're in millions of, you know, which may not millions of planets, but somewhere into that. We should back up the STCs again, though, because I think that people think that the STCs are just like a little bit of a terraform a little bit. No, the STC can just kind of make whatever the hell you need. It has to think, though, it varies a bit because the problem is we, we, yes. In some codex, in some readings you read, like, oh, I found an STC, and the STC could make something. But then again, the Lehman-Russ battle tank was an STC that they found. It was just blueprints.

So I think that STC might have quite a bit of flex in it. That some of them are like, hey, here's how you put this together. Some of our world STCs, and they just make all the infrastructure you make. Yeah, this creates an entire high world for you. Just press go. And other ones are like, here are the blueprints are making a ship. Yeah, I like, is this a Toyota Camry? Exactly.

Like, you're welcome. For people who really sense, it's a Toyota Highlux. Let me help you know what. People who don't know what that is. Look up what a Toyota Hylux is. Anyway, this is all kind of going great, wonderful, and then the Eldar hit the find out phase. The warp storms explode all over the galaxy.

Cycars are popping up on colonies everywhere, and we begin the age of, strife. All of these newly formed colonies all around the galaxy went dark to one another. And Brad's going to laugh at this because he knows the reference. I'm comparing this to those of us old to have an AT&T cell service in the early 2000s where if you could see the person you were calling, you could actually speak to them on the phone. That's effectively the level of communication they had. Brad's laugh because you worked for AT&D back there. Cheers story. So Mars, like everywhere else, is consumed by Civil War.

Which is crazy because you went, hey, my phone call didn't connect. We should kill everyone. Like, hey, man, dial it back a little. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, something happened on Earth. But Mars lost, all this loss of travel communication. It's not clear what happened. And it could have been that maybe Mars was reliant with other colonies for resources. So they had to tell each other.

That's kind of what I think. Yeah. is because I think that Mars effectively overmine, overdeveloped, made the entire world go from grain to factory, and then all of a sudden you have none of the resources that were coming in, because they were. They were a forge world before. Forge worlds are forage worlds. And they weren't getting anything they needed. And I think people started resource wars instantaneously.

And because of that, though, we lost tens of thousands of years worth of tech. Yeah. Just right there. Well, let's go through kind of the stages of the Civil War in Mars. which is really kind of, you know, kind of, it's incredible how fast this went. So Mars had always had multiple factions inside of it. And I was just like any planet would. Mars is a big planet.

There's lots of people. They're not, you know, they're not a monolith. As these factions start to go to war with each other, there's a secondary issue for Mars. And that secondary issue is that Mars, while it was terraformed, apparently they never figure how to make ozone. I don't know. I'm not in charge of the terror. This was really weird because, yes, this is in the lore.

I had to pause for a minute because it kind of, and I don't want to throw him into the bus for this. This is your, that's John's job. So he chucks them when they make dumb things, but I never understood this one because we've clearly have the technology to terraform planets to be whatever we want. Yeah, but that's a radiation shield. I will say, I don't know why this is. Game Master of Orion, too, you could not terraform a planet until you put a radiation shield on it if it was a radiated world. And yeah, that's my chance to talk about a game that is very, very, very old.

I have to play that on Dasbox. I do like MastersRine. It's two. MasterRine one is okay. Three is hot garbage, but two is pretty good. I didn't even know they have three to be honest. Oh, three is terrible. Woo.

Anyway. But I just don't know why they don't have a full ozone because we have other planets that we terraformed. That I assume do. But anyway, back to what this is, they had a radiation shield on. Mars. The radiation shield had, in fact, they had multiple generators all around the planet. And if all those generators aren't working at the same time, the radiation field falls apart. Well, now you've got a bunch of, you got a planet-wide civil war.

And everyone in the Civil War is supposed to maintain their own generator so that it doesn't collapse. Well, also, certain people were bombing them because if I'm going to lose, screw you kind of thing. Exactly. So needless to say, the radiation shield falls, and the terraforming begins to collapse pretty quickly. And by the way, now there's a terraform collapse. Mars is now being irradiated by the sun directly, which if you don't know what that is, it's not great.

It's bad. We have an ozone and you're supposed to wear a sunblock. They don't have an ozone. You're still supposed to wear sunblock. Yeah, but now it's $7,000. Yeah, they don't, is it Robocop 1 or 2? I think it's Robocop 1 with like, where she has to put on like, you know, Sunblock 5,000.

It's not 5,000. So the people of Mars now are doomed. There is, they're going to die. They're going to be irradiated or they're going to starve to death or just war. And this actually kicks up the Civil War to an even higher degree. So instead of, instead of banded together to find a solution or a problem, they're like, well, let's kill these other guys. In fact, they actually take what time they have left to make better weapons of like nuclear weapons, virus bombs, biologic weapons, literally radiation weapons to, excuse me, kids, there wasn't enough

radiation coming out of the sky, how about I shoot it out of a gun at you? And this is just ripping billions or dying, but they get saved by a new group. And this group is technology-obsessed Martians, because there are Martians, named the Mechanicum, which are a religion, really, based on the belief of an Omnisiah, who is their term for the machine god. they believe that through technology, they could be saved, and they could rise up to conquer the galaxy. That's all cute. Here's what they actually did, though, which I was going to say, I would believe in this religion

because of what we're about to say, because they built radiation shelters so that I didn't die. So you're like, you can only come in here if you're a believer. I go, I don't even care what you believe in. I believe in it. Yeah, let's go. And so the Mechanicum build radiation shelters. They start going underground to build manufacturing. They develop special suits to survive both the dust of Mars, the radiation of Mars.

And they begin, of course, making weapons. And lots of them. Lots and lots of them. And over it takes a couple decades, the Mechanicum take control of Mars. It's fairly quickly, to be honest with you. Yeah. Compared to the rest of the galaxy and Terra. Yeah, and that's what I said.

This is, mean, from what I've read, and I was saying, from what I've read, because we talk about multiple codexes, you do get some flex in this, but it looks to be a couple thousand years before the emperor unites Terra, the Mechanicum unite Mars. And again, because the Mechanicum and the Enfight and everything else,

while the Mechanicum should be a bazillion years ahead and what their technology is, but they are also in effectively an Inquisition Dark Age. Yeah, they go a little bit weird on this, and we're going to have to discuss a certain labyrinth hidden beneath the surface with a certain thing inside of it later. But for now, what the Mechanicum do is they, interestingly, don't re-teroform Mars.

They just go with whatever, and they turn the whole planet into a giant factory slash hive world. I have my own views on this. I think that they did this on purpose because they wanted people to transfer their bodies to machines. Because somebody that's down in the center already had somebody else do that. And I think he's pushing that agenda again. So at this stage, Mars turns into comes back to being the greatest forge world in the entire gallery. They are, laughably at the time. Interconnected, I mean, at the time, it's still, I mean, it still is.

I mean, it's ridiculous now. I mean, at the time, it was Disney World versus you and I in the basement doing a puppet show. Yeah. Now, to this day, they're still incredible. Now, what this also does, though, is this belief of the Mechanicum in the On Messiah becomes absolute. because they were dead and this belief and following the teachings of, you know, the love of the on Messiah is why they're not dead. So this becomes everything to them going forward. The next phase of the story is what they did with it. So pretty quickly, they've conquered all of Mars and they've got in its final life. They refer to it as they've found all the technology in Mars.

Oh, absolutely. But not even in the ballpark because of some of the other stuff. They're so backwards. Yeah. We're going to foreshy it, but there's a massive fault. There's vaults on Mars that were locked away. They also, their technology is, hey, man, we found out muskets, and you're looking over on the shelf and you're like, I feel like those are phased teleport guns. You're like, oh, we don't know how to do that.

We got these muskets, though. We got you a nice musket. And around the same time, though, as we discussed before, the warp storms are starting to settle. So Mechanicum decide, all right, let's spread out throughout the galaxy. And so this is well before the Emperor has, you know, unified Terra or maybe even before he's even fighting on terror. And I'll get to that in a minute. The ad mecs start building ships and just start heading out in the galaxy looking for technology. Yeah, but they're freaking jawa.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They have no idea what they're doing. They're just, they're basically stealing technology and rolling out. Yeah, and there are warp storms that are still rabbi-s. So they try to use a warp drives. They might just get eaten by it. Others are using just FTL drives and get in there eventually.

But what happens is they keep coming back with more and more stuff. So everything from weapons, armor, engines, nonstop. I'm 100% staying with the Java thing because they take their sand crawlers and they just keep coming back with heaps of stuff. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure. Is it the Billy badass? What was the stupid saying fish thing that was popular for like for a minute? If they'd found one of those, they'd be like, this is the greatest piece of technology ever. Any piece of technology was kept because they were moving more and more, as Brad's been saying, into a cult than into this.

These weren't scientists who were like, we're trying to discover. And also the cults had factions within the cults. The mechanic, what's interesting about them is that as they kind of spread out to the galaxy, This is why they turned into a cult. They've just been saved by technology from extinction. So they viewed their salvation as a miracle of technology, not of science. So all they wanted was to acquire technologies. They were looking to grab anything they could find.

Let's talk about this, though, because they don't think of it as technology. They think of it as holy relics of technology. Exactly. And that's much, much different than I'm finding ways to advance. And I'm going to defend them in this one. Like, it makes them sound like idiots. But the truth is, like, they're also, they're moving into the galaxy to discover technology. And they're discovering necrone technology, Eldard technology, jokerro technology.

If you found that and looked at what you created before, it's a joke. You might just sit there and say, wow, you know what, I'm not even going to bother inventing. Let's just keep finding this stuff. I mean, like, you know, we talked about for an NECron phase sword. You're probably a million years away from inventing that. You know, like, all right, got it. If you find a jokero, like, just, you put the orangutan in a room. You're putting him in the basement.

It's like, well, this is like, like, it used to be, look at him. You walk up and you just go slap every scientist you have in the face. Why? Why? What is, why are you this stupid? Go work the factory line. Go listen to what that, what the orangutanang makes, and make it. But they are treating this as, again, Holy Rowings. So they are fanatical about it, as opposed to scientists about it. Very true. But I just, I always want to defend, like,

I don't know how I would, how I would respond. If, if you're a scientist and you discover, like, teleportation technology and just go, also, yeah, they found out this. And then again, we have where the Imperium led with Xenos is bad. So that's true. It will ends later. We'll get into the admec and inquisition. and how much they like each other later. Yeah, so much. As the fleets of Mars begin returning with more and more technology, the mechanic comes hunger for technology,

it just can use to grow and used to be seated. One thing I like about this is that they were raiding, active human settlements they were finding. I firmly believe that when the Great Crusade happened, they found worlds that were scrubbed of life, that were like, oh, some horrible thing must have happened here. And there was some ad mec-magos. Like, yeah, I don't know what happened.

Probably awful. Yeah, probably a terrible thing. Weird, all the technology is missing. I think, uh, but the funnier part of it is they also raided Terra. Because they felt, quote, the techno-barbarians were too uncivilized to hold treasured relics themselves. Well, again, treasured relics. And also, they said, effectively, they didn't deserve. They didn't deserve this.

And if you don't understand why I'm smiling ear to ear when I say this, this is written by people in England. England has the British Mues Natural History Museum, which is famous for not being filled with relics from Great Britain. Oh, it's everywhere. Yeah. Like, just if you don't know what I'm talking about, Google London Natural History Museum collection and wonder,

so you have not mummy the casket of a mummy a sarcophagus you actually have the mummy too shouldn't that be in Egypt yeah they're not they weren't civilized enough to to know what to do with yes so could I don't know if GW wrote that as a joke or as a serious thing I don't care either way good job guys either for being intrinsically funny or accidentally funny we'll work with it so also though adnec were this they were being to colonize a little bit. It was really tough because they couldn't really use warp travel yet. So it was mostly stuff kind of within

the sole system, but they had begun the process of building giant ships and giant fleets. So they could move out of the galaxy and concrete. Well, the, why can't I talk? The asteroid belt is huge for them. Yeah. That's a big thing. They just mine the hell

out of the aisle. It's not even they mind it. Any of the big asteroids, they just set up factories. Yeah. Now, one side effect of all this is the phrase flesh is weak. You hear this a lot if you're around in the 40K lore from Admec. The Mechanicum at this stage begin to actually purge their own bodies of organic matter to replace it with higher function like biotics and mechanics.

You know, and there, some of it makes sense. Like, why have one arm when you can have like four Dr. Octopus arms? You know? They started also embracing this a lot in the, just the, pragmatic function. functionality of it because this is what you're doing and you're going to do it every day, all day. You can do it better if I just make your one hand be a... The multi-tool.

Yeah. Exactly. What's the value of this hand? I mean, eyes, ears, arms, hearts, lungs are all replaced. They can also be poisoned though. And they struggle seeing in the dark. So it makes you feel better, Brad. They also did best.

But there's one organ that the ad meck don't mess with. Well, they mess with it. They don't take it out. They wildly mess with it. But the brain. It's a weird thing where they seem to, they never fully call out why. But the admecs at this stage when they're in the Mechanicum don't see, because there's nothing would to stop them going on the AI route at this point.

Right. The Emperor is not there to stop them. They could have gone to, they even at this moment still kept the brain pseudo intact. We're getting a servitude as pretty soon. But I think it's because they viewed the brain as this incredible processor. They would jack it up. Don't get me wrong. They put electrodes in there, et cetera.

But it actually, it makes a lot of sense to me what they were doing because you do have, in the 41st millennia, numerous ad mech who are well over 1,000 years old. Yes. It's their lifespans are incredible. But. Well, also, we will go into this, but they also have people that are effectively AIs,

but they don't let the. That's me, it's been more part two of the cast. We're talking about more than mine. I'm talking about it. At the stage of the Mechanicum, they did. Yeah. But one thing that they do create at this era are servitors. Wow.

Thanks, Edmack. Servitors aren't a nightmare. Servitors are. So servitors are on their surface not so bad. Still bad. It's a lobotomized human whose body gets cybernetic enhancements so they can just perform a task. So construction, farming.

Pause on this. This isn't like original. it's a lot of times it's a punishment. This is a prison term. Oh, no. Originally, they were just, we'll get that, but they were cloned. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying, like, right now, they're just making servitors because they thought it was

annoying to have somebody have thoughts that weren't mine or farm. So they're like, it's inconvenient for me to have to deal with you. It's also easier to cut their arms off and put on new pieces when they're lobotomized. Yeah, you don't, you don't complain as much when I make all of your arms rakes. Yeah. And so, and these things are incredibly useful because, you know, unloading ships, cleaning, cleaning cities, cleaning ships, construction of imperial buildings, construction of imperial vessels, all of this can be done.

Or even, you know, for warfare, when you look at ships of the Imperium, you have your navigator, you've got your ship captain, but most of like the, the, like, pressing of the buttons to make the ship fly, those are servitors. If you had someone unloading and unloading ammunition, servitors. In fact, nothing like you don't realize. Cheros are servitors. Yep. That little flying baby thing is a servitor.

Yeah, it looks really pretty, but all it is is resupplying you with ammo. Others, though, get outfitted with guns. They become a mobile weapon platform. Well, as long as someone's wrong. Yeah. Now, the old mine lock is a real thing. Let's talk, though, about the darker part of how they're actually made. That wasn't dark enough?

No, because now are you? I'm setting us up. I know. But I'm just saying, you go, hey, we don't care that we're forcibly lobotomizing people. And then you get into the- The term lobotomize sounds kind. What they actually do is rip out all the parts of the brain that create any form of higher function, leave in the bits that just allow for motor function,

and then shove up a processor in there so they can talk to it. And unfortunately, you are aware. Oh, they just do this because there are. like well you're aware because well and we're getting to you not got a memory of it in a minute so who cares maybe we'll be right back after a quick break in my professional life one thing I know well is how challenging managing a global team can be just the act of creating one has been an extreme challenge over the years because one thing you learn quickly is a difficulty of hiring global talent and how unclear those costs can be it looks simple at first but then the fees are to

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They're not really humans at this point. That they would lobotomize and then convert over. Later, though, both from the admec doing it, but also the sisters, the custodes, this becomes an actual punishment for criminals. For anything, though, hey man, I heard you jaywalked. Yeah, so this is where, because the example I use, like a regular, servitor basically had the life of an oyster where they existed in a vat. And then before they really had any life, they were turning to a servitor.

These other ones, though, had a life and a being. And then they are lobotomized, but they keep their consciousness, but lock it away. I was saying they keep a higher level consciousness that has nothing to do with your function of this body. I call it, I'm air quoting body. No control. You're just a passenger. Yeah, which is a nightmare because you are always awake and aware. Yeah.

And this is, this, when we say they use them as a punishment, we don't mean, oh, yeah, and then they also had to go load munitions. No, they would do horrible things with them, like make them stand in one place forever. And then a power pack. So we say forever, I mean, centuries. It is legitimately forever. Yeah, centuries. Others are just, all right, they walk into,

fields of landmines. There's one I read one time. They've just held up a heavy object for no reason. Well, they had the one of the stories, my favorite. He's just in charge of making rocks go from one side to the other. Yeah. Like forever. That's it for no reason. Yeah. For no reason. And this was just, this is the horrifying punishment. And it's reserved, the Imperium reserves this for really anyone who slights the Imperium. Again, unless the sister's got a hold of you. Yeah. I mean, but again, this is also, don't get me started. This is another thing that the Lords of Terror used quite a bit. That's true. But as horrible as it says, it also does serve, aside from the criminal one, from the regular one, it's really helpful. Because flesh is weak. It is true. It needs rest and it needs food. Servitors have nutrient goop and power cells.

They can 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 a year, no problem. Do they die? Yeah. But you make another one. It gives you a workforce that can do that can, I mean, I would actually argue servitors can do more than space marines can. Because space marines do at a certain point need some semblance of rest. Oh, and you also don't care about their conditions. Yeah, when you lose a space marine, it was like, well, there was like three or four hundred people went into that. That's a lot of work where the server is like, all right. And they'll also just take all of the gear and just make it new server.

Exactly. Exactly. So they are effectively the slave labor of the Imperium. I mean, they're not effectively. They are. And also, slave labor does not want to be a servitor. Yeah, that's the thing. It's actually, it's worse than that, but at least unless you're the prisoner kind is that. So let's jump ahead a little bit further by like a few hundred years to the arrival of the number. Or a thousand or a thousand. I really have no idea. It is very, very, very vague.

It's, yeah. So needless to say, the Mechanicum had a problem. And the problem was they're not very tough. You know, lots of years of radiation at Civil Wars, they've got incredible technology, but they're not that great at fighting. They also, because of all the wars, have no navigators. So they can only travel either at faster than light drive speed or they blind jump into the war. Well, during the wars and stuff like that, it was a big thing.

talk about that is they actually tried to kill the other person's ability to go get stuff. Yeah. And so that was where, and so the ad mech are, they're almost, they've got these , sorry, the ad mechum, had this incredible desire to expand out into the stars and do more. They just cannot because what they needed was a large military force and infrastructure to do so. Luckily, one orbit of the earth closer, there is that this existed. And the emperor, knows the same thing because he does know all. And he arrives on Mars to broker a treaty with the Mechanicum to provide his arm to hit himself with what he needs.

Effectively, the Admec have all the ships, all the weapons and all of the technology, but the emperor has the bodies and the will. Now, when we say together, we're talking about the Emperor. The Emperor is not a big fan of us doing something together. He does not. both be present.

Yeah. But it's, I mean, there is a we, but it's, I'm just letting you know that when we put out our press release,

I will be in front of the microphone. Yeah. And you will be in the building, maybe? He takes the top billing. One of the key part here, as we said before, the mechanicum are not big psychers.

And the emperor has a pretty cool psychic trick where he can present himself to you as something more than he really is. Well, you see him as whatever you want. This was, Obi-1 Kenobi talking to the stormtroopers about there are, these are not the droids you're looking for.

That's what he pulls off here. The emperor arrives and just, and he knows he needs to be the Omn Messiah. So he arrives as the Omnisiah. Yeah. Well, because only a true Messiah would deny his divinity. That's very important. And the tech priests of Mars know an Omnisiah when they see one because they follow

a few. And if you don't get what I'm getting at, Sorry, you should. It's an incredible film. That's really funny. It's really, it's just, those are my juniper berries. Of course it made juniper berries. It's the juniper bushes.

All right. The emperor does this by performing a number of just feats. It's kind of weird. They refer us as he performs a number of beats. Yeah, but it's funny. The reason that it's funny is his feats are he heals a broken imperial knight by putting his hands on it. And he brings an imperial machinery back to life. and then he just keeps doing those two things over and over it

because those are really the only miracles you can perform for the mechanical but they'd be impressed by it was like he did like the seven miracles of the omnisai it was like oh this imperial night stands up now and then uh that one i hit i mean it's pretty easy he's got a fully he's got a he's got a super juiced up set of power over yeah but he's a psychic yeah and then he walked through a bunch of computers and hit and hit control f4 over and a bunch of it's like oh look it works now they're like they all heard the windows boot up sound, they were like, it's a miracle.

So, yeah, it just fixed broken toys. But that being said, by the time he reaches the inner sanctum, it's over. The entirety of the Mechanicum is this is the Amnesia, we will worship him. And with the entirety of Mars staring at him, he's able to negotiate a pretty solid treaty, which is called a Treaty of Olympus for no reason. We're just going Greek for whatever reason. It is funny because he basically says, you know, you're under my wing. I will protect you.

But also, they do a long thing and you sum it up pretty great. Yeah. Because there's a, well, in the treaty, there's like a long verse of what it allows them. But in the end, the emperor just says, I'll leave you alone to being weird. Yeah. It's the emperor gives the mechanic I think of seven navigators, something like that. He promises to protect them from enemies. And yeah, it says you guys can keep being extra weird over here.

It's a long thing about what he says. But in the end, it's like you guys can keep doing whatever weird shit you're doing. Just do it over here. Yeah, we just don't. In return, the Mechanicum would fully outfit his army. And my Army, I mean the Space Marines and the Imperial Army with armor, weapons, starships, also building equipment to build. Because as they conquer planets, they're his planets, not the Mechanicum's planets.

It's a couple of random situations. And he also did say importantly that any important, in quotations here, technology he found would belong to the Mechanica. But in a weird side note, over thousands of years, they don't find any. Millions of worlds. Millions of worlds. They just not one piece of technology. It's really weird. Poor Admec.

Weird. Definitely none of the STCs. There were no standard standard temperate. Absolutely none. Nope, not at all. Anyway, Emperor leaves a soul and the Great Crusade begins. That being said, after he leaves, you do start to get some questions back on Mars of like, hey, because remember, as he gets further and further away, his psychic aura is gone,

you guys going like, wait a minute. You realize your shitty deal you made. Wait a minute. When you get overpowered by the psychic. Was he really the omnisiah? And again, if he is, what's that thing in the core of our planet? I feel like that might be. on the sire. More on that later. So the next

piece of the story of the Mechanicum is, of course, as with all these stories, the Horace heresy. Because... Well, this is right when they start having their doubts. And then someone goes, hey, I have doubts also. I would like to tell them to you. Horace would have been a pretty terrible war master if he hadn't seen the immense value of the Mechanical. You know, Horace knew that with manufacturing of Mars on the side, of the loyalists, the traders never had a chance.

So he needed to convert Mars to supply him or at least deny the Imperium. That being said, Horace also knew all the secrets. Yep. He knew about that there'd been, because Horace had personally recovered STCs, showed him the emperor, the emperor went, put that in your pocket before the ad mex, before the mechanic come see it now. So he knew that there was a secret here. And he also knew that the emperor did not want.

the Mechanicum having these STCs. Mostly, by the way, the Emperor is right here because the Mechanicum's default on finding technology is to press the on button. Well, yeah, also, and it's bad because they're not just trying to figure it out. They're just trying to worship. Well, they're trying to make it go.

And if the thing that they're pressing the go button on is the most powerful explosive in the history of the galaxy. They're making it work. It's pressing go button. So the Emperor was kind of like, Maybe we don't let them have technology every time because they're kind of idiots with it. Not kind of thing. Yeah.

So in the run of the Horace heresy, though, there has been a big change on Mars. As we were just discussing, once the emperor left, people within Mars start asking questions about was he the Omnisiah. And there actually was Amigos at this stage who was present when the emperor first got there named Kelbor. Kelbore, for whatever reason, even when in front of the emperor didn't, just wasn't that impressed. And Calboard felt like, no, I have a love of the Omnisiah. And this is not the Amn Messiah. He's not a, this man is just, he's a charlatan, basically. I don't, I do not believe in this person. I actually really, I have my own things on this. I think he's maybe not fully a pariah, but I think he was, like somewhere in there. Oh, could see that completely. Yeah, he just is. That's the only way you're not getting overwhelmed.

The Emperor's powers doesn't work. He just sitting there like, I don't, I don't see it. everyone else is like, this is the greatest thing. Everyone, he's like, I don't see it, guys. He just, that Imperial Knight that he touched was already working, and yet he rebooted the computer. Like, we've all been doing that for all. I also wonder what he saw. No one knows of the emperor looks like. That's true.

Yeah. What would a blank perceive the emperor? Yeah, because the emperor's true form is whatever the hell you think he is. Well, he's got a real. No, I'm saying, but he's, sorry, his true form. You don't know his true form because everybody just sees him as whatever. We were in the middle of an admet cast. touch from what you know,

I raised the chair up a little bit higher today to see what would happen. You mean the fact that my toes barely? So for those you guys don't know, Brad sits in my office chair and I just want to see what happened today if I raised up a little bit higher. And he's just been sitting there

with his legs swinging for the last couple hours. We record multiple casts in a single setting. And I just figured I tell him at this point, that's why you can't touch the ground. Yeah. It's actually higher than, because right now you're sitting higher that would be comfortable for me.

Yeah, I can't, I can toe touch kind of a little bit. That's an uncomfortable height that that chair's at right now for me. I just want to see what would happen. I appreciate you. And the reason I did this, this has nothing with the cast, but it's just so right, Brad, the reason my favorite thing about Brad is he's a very stubborn individual.

He knows he could have lowered the chair, but out of just pure pride, he's refused to do it. And it ties in well with ad meck and the decisions they make about technology. Nope, this is how it's supposed to function. 100%. So back to Calibor Hall. Calibor now were a few hundred years past the, the original meeting, and he's actually attained the rank of Fabricator General, which is the head

of all of the Mechanica. Horace knows that Calibor is a little disenfranchised of the Emper, but doesn't know how much, but it's just that where, that there's, that there is a gap here, and he goes for it. Well, he's already got some agents of the Mechanicum in his pocket. Right, and they've already told him about Calibor, but he doesn't know. So he takes a swing, and he does this swing through an agent of the Mechanicum with him, named Regulus, not regalis, regulus, like regular us. Is it a pun?

No idea. I hope it's a pun, because if it's a pun, it's awesome. If it's just lazy writing, it is why it is. Regulus meets with Calibor and tells him the emperor has been betraying both, you know, humanity, which Calibor couldn't care less about, but more important than the Mechanicum. And to prove it, he hands over an SDC. gives him an STC.

And I see that the emperor had told Kellebor, we haven't found any. And Horace tells him there's hordes of these. We've got tons of them. And this does two things. One, it proves the emperor's deception to Kellebor, who always believed the emperor was deceptive. But more importantly, gives Kellebore something he wants more than anything, which is STC drives.

Well, he also about what he said he would do with him, though. Which is. This is a terrible idea, by the way. Yes, Horace says, go ahead and research anything, pull up anything for the Dark Age of Technology, which includes not having a ban on AI and everything else. And by the way, they refer to AI not as artificial intelligence, but it's abominable intelligence, which is just a cooler name, which I get me, it would make sense if you think it collapsed your entire society. Horace, though, also lays a trap here.

And the trap he lays has to make something called the Valtz of Moravec. He gives Calibor the code to it. And we'll get to them in a second. But I believe he does this because Horace knew Maris was never going to be a value to him. It's too far away. He just needs to the middle of soul. Yeah. He was just trying to turn Mars off.

I do not believe. The whole thing of like, I'm going to turn the manufacturing of Mars to my side. How it's surrounded by. Yeah. No. Just simply put, no, nothing's, nothing's leaving. Mars in the high volume. It's just...

Because they would just blow it up. Yeah, but what I do need is the Imperium not to have it. Yep. And that's why I think he gave him the code to the vaults of Moravec. So going back in time again now, during the early age of the Mechanicum, probably on the age of strife, we don't know when. There was a guy named Moravec who founded a cult on Mars. And this cult's goal was to create a singularity, which is a great sci-fi term for

something, probably. I mean, it's a black hole, but singularity. I know he's saying. Depending on which sci-fi you're reading, a singularity can mean different things. The biggest thing, he wants to have a man-machine interface that's perfect. Yeah. I mean, he effectively wants Tehranids, but continue.

Well, Tarynids aren't machine. He wants, but they be biomechanical that it would be perfect for them. He wants what the Declienteer thought they were going to be. True. That's what he's really going for. But what he was truly making was an abominable. of organic and inorganic AI, aka chaos taint. Wildly, it's not chaos, taint.

It was just chaos. It wasn't, you're not tainting. Yeah, you jumped into the pool. The pool wasn't. That's true, yeah. It was in the pool. But what's funny is the rest of Mars song and went, yeah, nope, this dude's way too nuts. Which is best because everybody else was nuts and he was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

It's always impressive when they're like, look, we're all in a cult, but this cult is a little bit over. You're too much, bro. Yeah, no. And so they actually sealed him and his followers in their workshop. And this workshop became known as the vault of Moravec for him. When the emperor arrived on Mars, emperor is a super psycher, especially attuned to chaos. He sensed the vault, walked over there with a bunch of the admins and said, what's this? And they told him the story.

He went, that's great. And he had his people change the lock on it to his own code. The best is he doesn't try to kill it to get rid of it or anything. They're just like, we'll just put a lock on it. What could possibly happen? Just just shut. My theory on that is because he didn't want to open it and have them all see what was inside of it. He's just like, shut this, don't ever deal anything with it.

And I'll send some custodes later to just remove the problem. For whatever reason, though, Horace knew the code to this, to the vault. And in the thousands of years, this thing's been locked away. The corrupted AI grew and grew and grew into something that's become that we term in 40Ks as scrap code. And side note here, I'm not an electrical engineer. So anything I'm about to say is that far off to those of you who are. Sorry, just honestly, sorry. But what the scrap code is supposed to be is a line of code that is,

fully self-aware, and it's also a virus. And it's also warp-infused. Yeah, warp-infused, yeah. It is the warp, but yes. So once it gains... You do not have the type of malware you need to stop an AI chaos. They do, though. That's what's fine.

They actually, some of the I'd make the dead. That's what it's going to... Well, yeah, that's true. I'm saying you don't have any computer. Fair enough. Once a scrap code gets access to any sort of machinery, be it a vessel, whatever, It just takes it over and replicates its own scrap code, which it then transmits to other vessels. So they call it a scrap code.

It's more of like a computer virus that functions the way, like an actual virus functions, where it actually self-replicates sends it out, which maybe computer viruses function that way. Also, not an electrical engineer. Calibor does not know this. None of them know this. But Calibor just loves technology. And he thinks that the vault of Moravec is full of hidden, technology that this jerk emperor won't let me read.

So he runs down to the vaults of Moravec, types in the code, opens the door. It doesn't even bother to look. Yeah, that's a good point. He doesn't type in the code and peer in. He types the code and throws the doors open. And this is the image I view here is when Walter Peck turns off the containment unit and Ghostbusters.

Talk about me making old references. People have seen Ghostbusters. This stuff. this code just comes flying out and starts infecting machinery everywhere. The whole planet. Yeah, plus also infected machinery that's been in the vault just comes running out. And this scrap code is just everywhere. Luckily for Mars, different parts of Mars had better or worse firewalls.

So it doesn't actually infect all of Mars. It does get most of it. But not all of Mars goes down to the scrap code. This means Kelbor, for whatever reason, the scrap code, I think just since Kelbor was on team. So Kelbore is still self-aware. So Scrapco doesn't affect him. Don't know why. I don't care. But he does realize he doesn't have full control of the entire planet. And he's going to need to conquer the planet piece by piece. So under the pretense, sorry, I'm saying differently. What Kelbor then does is under the pretense of heresy against the Amnassiah, him and his followers

attack the loyalists of Mars. And just, just, you know, what? Just like with the Imperium, this split rips Mars. In the shred. Yeah. It's called the schism of Mars. It's also bad, bad, because these guys have, at their disposal, a lot of big booms. Yeah. As we said before, when the Mechanicum and now the AdMek go to war, they bring all of the heat.

These, you know, the followers of Kelbar become known as a dark Mechanicum, and they actually still exist in modern 40K. But this war was amazing. We're talking about knights, Titans, rad bombs, nuclear weapons, virus bombs. The stories of this are incredible. 900,000 troops dying in a single battle. 14 million killed in a virus bomb. It's like 19 Titans were dropped.

And Titans again, Titans step on Imperial Knights. That's how big there are. Titans, again, are small. They're considered, they're basically, they have infrastructures. They are cities. They are walking cities. 19 of them were lost in a single hour. This war explodes, and it's not long before Mars just is false.

Calibor is able to conquer Mars, but to what end? There's not much left. And the Imperium senses this. They rush over, but the problem the Imperium have, obviously, is that Mars is well fortified. They couldn't invade Mars. If they still got 19 Titans in an hour, what are you going to be? invade with. Well, it's the whole point. The fact that you made your world so heavily fortified because you don't want people taking over your fortress or your your foundry. And then you're like,

oh, but they did internally. They did internally. So now what am I going to do? So effectively, they have to put a blockade up. And this blockade, by the way, has a pretty good wide berth because there are orbital guns on Mars. So it's not like you can block out the sky with your spaceships. It's Mars has a pretty wide birth here. But all this does is effectively turn Mars into a self-contained Horace heresy. The wars keep raging across it. And the dark mechanic I'm able to pierce the blockade every now and then to get some supplies to Horace. But it's infrequent.

I mean, yes and no, because we end up having quite a bit of stuff off planet. You do. It's more they transmit, you know, schematics off planet. But what I'm talking about the manufacturing of Mars is very limited to the air. of Horace for a while. You know, Horace gets closer, it's better. And that's why I just think Horace has planned the whole time. I just want to reach.

Yeah, just let's make sure that Rogel Dorn doesn't have Mars. Because if he does, I'm done. Like, you know, they will, they'll just build star fortresses. Calibor and the majority of his dark mechanicum, they're trapped on Mars for almost the entirety of the Horace heresy. But this does change when the traders enter the soul system. because as, you know, as we said before, they fight their way all the way to Earth,

which someone called out our Discord a while ago of like, why do they have to go planet to planet? Why do not just come in the back way? Also, the planets basically never align. Well, the planets were aligned for the more. No, no, I said they were. Oh, yeah, this is, yeah, no. It's no, yeah, no, anyway.

This all changes. So Calibor now is free to lead his Mechanicum. And the downside, though, is that, that much like the rest of the horse, the people who are on the traitor legions, Kelbor's been corrupted by chaos at this point. Not like Angron or Folgram, more just he's got pride,

he's got desire. Kelbor kind of just starts to fall apart. He wants all the credit for all the successes. They want their prideful. They want glory now because they want glory for, well, he doesn't really. may or may not. He wants glory, but in his glory, it's glory for his.

It's for the Omnisiah. Because Calabar's whole thing at this stage is the Emperor lied to me. He's not the Omnisiah. The true Amnesia is someone else, blah, blah, blah. And I don't want to ruin a book for all of you. But let's just say, read End of Death Volume 2. Calibor is in it. And there's a really key thing that happens here.

and I'm going to leave it at that because this book's only been out. Well, the books only been out at time of, I think it's been up for less than a year right now. And I don't want to make people. And it's a tome. So I'm not going to be like, what happened you read it yet? It's not like me talking about the movie. Oh, you haven't seen heat? Well, you know, you've had 30 years.

I can talk about this now. You know, like, don't ruin Star Wars. Like, dude. Yeah, it's your time. Exactly. At this point, it's on you. The only thing about this is that after this moment in end of death, Kelbor disappears.

He does not exist in the lore at all anymore. But there are, but the dark Mechanicum does. So does he die? Is he reformed with different constructs? I really don't know. I think he's. Oh, I totally agree. He's reformed.

So heresy ends and the Imperium's got a little bit of a problem. Mars, the Mechanicum, was traitor. Mars is also their manufacturing is the only way they'll be able to feed themselves. Well, well, the biggest thing about this, normally, especially with, I don't know, the lion and Lehman right now, anything that was traitor at all went to pound down. Everything needs that. The emperor has been entombed in the golden throne because of heresy.

And everyone's got this awkward moment of. But, gee man, robot Killingen, decides, I need these guys to, we trash to want to say. But you say that about Gillen, because I think you're trying to make Lehman out to be a better person. Lehman doesn't fight him on this one. That's true. Like, Lehman, don't say crap to the Gilliman's viewpoint here. I mean, they still have to go, we want to go kick some ass.

Somebody get me my ass kicking boots. Yeah, like, we don't make those here. Those guys make them. Weren't those guys' traitor? Yep. But will they still make my ass kicking boots? My ass kicking boots looks like you got a choice to make. And so the choice they make is rather extreme.

They decide that it's just the Mechanicum no longer exist. And it's not going to call the Adeptus Mechanicus. Any active member of the Dark Mechanicum would be executed, and they really had their parts melted down. They wouldn't. Usually with the Admec, if you die as an Admec, like with the Space Marines, they harvest a Gen C to use again. The Admec, they would actually harvest the parts to use in other things.

No, they melted these guys down just in case of the scrap code. But what's funny about this is that the Admec, gain power through this. Not only do they get renamed the Admec, they actually get a new treaty with the Imperium, making the head of the Admec a high lord of Terra. They gain further autonomy. They're able to colonize worlds on their own, and those worlds are fully managed and sustained outside of the authority of the Imperium. Well, it's under the authority of the imperial, but it's under the authority of the adept, the antagonist. More importantly, outside of the authority of the Inquisition.

Yes. Which is because they're their own arm because they are an adeptist. Yeah. And that's on the next cast, you know, let's actually, this is a good, this is a good break point, I think, for us. Because in the next one, we're going to talk about some of the changes the ad mech now go through. Now they, because they were with the emperor there, they were under the yoke of the emperors, how I would look at it.

And now that he's gone, they gained so much autonomy, so much so that they, They are in almost, sorry, they are in direct conflict with the Inquisition at this very moment. They are, there's a shadow war going on between the two of them and the Ecclesiarchy and a bunch of others. Well, again, they have their own religion, which surrounds a Zenos. So yeah, it's, I mean, it doesn't mean it's a Zenos. I mean, it's, I don't know. It's also a Star God. I can't figure this out completely.

I mean, which would be a Zenos? Yes, that's true. Non-human. Yeah, it's definitely that, yeah. So on our next cast, we're going to dive into that, definitely the thing Brad and I are foreshadowing to, you know,

the secret monster in the basement. He's not even secret. Well, he's just in the basement. Yeah, but he's serious, in the sense, I don't think they can open it. That's more of that piece. He's very much locked in the basement,

and it wants out of the basement. They want into the basement. It's one those weird scenarios where everyone wants, everyone wants to open this door, but no one can open it. It's bad news, bears. Probably a good thing because I'm not 100% that it's not a, I'm not sure if it's a shard.

That was just about to say, it's not. That's the whole point. Yeah, it's like this is. It's at least, it's more, it might not be a full, but it's way more than a shard. Yeah. Good way to end 10th edition. Like, uh, and here's a left turn. Anyway, so until then, this has been John Barzotti and Bradchester.

This guy. See you guys next week.