The 40k Lorecast - Episode 58 - Adepta Sororitas pt 1- Rise of the Ecclesiarchy and creation of the Adepta Sororitas

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

On Today’s cast we begin our coverage on the Adeptus Sororitas. We start with a recap of the rise of Ecclesiarchy, the why and the how of its growth. After this we spend time talking about the ris...e and reign of terror or Goge Vandire. Namely his employment of the Daughters of the Emperor from San Leor. Then we go into the conflict between Vandire and the forces of the Imperium, and of course the turning of the Daughters from him. From there we close out on the reformation of the Ecclesiarchy and as such the Daughters of the Emperor becoming the Adeptus Sororitas.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallastOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast. It's me, John Barcati and Bradchester. This guy. Today, we're going to start diving to the Adeptus Sorotas. We're known as the Sisters of Battle, although we'll dive into that in the next cast. There actually is a difference between the Adeptus Sororitas and the Sisters of Battle. Not if you're going to just call them nuns with guns.
Starting point is 00:00:38 Yeah, it's always a term. So, as always, before we begin the cast, please like and comment on it. We've had a great explosion. As we've said before, we're in the top 100. podcasts. This is out of six million, by the way. Let me say top 100 out of six million. I refuse to not try to pat myself in the back, even though my arms are wildly too short. You need a long stick. I can't even touch my shoulders, let alone my back. Yeah. But that with us, he says that with pride. You know what I can't do? Scratch something. Look, and I might be a T-Rex.
Starting point is 00:01:09 It's like when I had my bulldog spade. They're like, does she need a cone? Like, have you not seen a bulldog before? Like, like, John Selly is short. we got up the 31 and I'm proud of that. At what point? I was in the U.S. We actually were above that in some other countries. You know, I'm talking about just the total.
Starting point is 00:01:27 31 was the U.S., and then we were higher than that in a lot of international markets. But screw not taking... I'm just happy. We were top 100 at one point in Norway. And so I want to thank you all, but also,
Starting point is 00:01:40 sorry for our English. I'm just going to tell you that right now, because I'm 100% you guys learned that English in glass. I'm very good friends with a lot of Scandinavians and all of them speak English better than me and other languages. And I always go, you know what? He's from Philadelphia, which is my least favorite city in the United States.
Starting point is 00:01:59 You know, just saying like you. Just saying your city's falling apart. We founded the country. You made it. You made it look like we should go back. You didn't change your streets to not be defending cavalry charges. Right. But I'm pretty sure like England wouldn't take us back now because of Ohio.
Starting point is 00:02:16 I think they wouldn't take. taking us back because of Philadelphia. Sorry, English people, but yes. But with that going on, we would really like to thank you for all of the support and getting us to this, the brand of argument we just had
Starting point is 00:02:30 because we super appreciated. We had no idea that it was going to be this popular. We hoped that people would listen. Yeah, we honestly, we thought we'd have a couple thousand listeners, not, you know, 20, 30 times that. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:02:59 go in there and do it. I have to approve it. And if it's not that funny, I'll probably still approve it. But if it's really not funny, I'll just, I'll delete it. That's more for you, though. So no one sees your bad joke.
Starting point is 00:03:08 With that, though, for those of you who are listeners and want to interact more with us, Discord. We've had a Discord for a while. thanks to Kevin. It's a new kind of addition to the team, I would say. He's redone the Discord. Savage Doc.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Yeah, Savage Doc has come through and really redone our Discord. I will always promote Discord to people because I like the way Discord itself functions. Discord is designed to be a place, a community conversation piece. It's not like a Reddit or a Facebook where people are trying to get up votes or thumbs up or views. It's just you are what you are there. We have super cool channels now. It's way more organized. because we didn't do it because we were doing a bad job
Starting point is 00:03:48 because we do a bad job of a lot of things. No, it's because you're in your 50s and I'm in my 40s. What chance did we have of making a discourse? Absolutely not. It's like I press button. Where's the PDF? We had a discussion about this and we went, you can do this, this, and this.
Starting point is 00:04:03 And I go, I don't know how to do any of those things. And they all scare me. Please don't make me do this. I'll call it out. So Kevin tried to have me make some changes live on it. We were on a voice chat together. and we did a screen share and it considered him saying,
Starting point is 00:04:18 no, no, no, no, up a little bit. Over to the right, that button, that button. I showed up late and they, as soon as they asked me to do anything, I yelled, I need an adult. Yeah, that's how this is. So I really, Kevin, you've been amazing. Thank you so much.
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Starting point is 00:04:43 It's an incredible place to interact about lore, hobbying, gameplay, video games, whatever you're looking for. Because, I mean, we get a lot of comments all the time on, like, on our Facebook, we're like, what are the best books to read? I can tell you my opinion. But if you ask that same question in Discord, you can get a lot more death because, for example, you know, I maybe you're something, hey, I want to, I want to read more books about the, you know, the world leaders.
Starting point is 00:05:09 I can go to Reddit and find a review for you, but I don't know it as well. but you might, but there'll be like a couple hundred people that are passionate about it too. Oh, I've read all of them. This is my favorite one. That's my best one. And for me, personally, which is a big thing is we have the how to get into 40K. We have a full channel about that. We have the lore, obviously, but we have the people that will help you, including myself.
Starting point is 00:05:32 But it's a big deal on that to go in. Hey, maybe you came to us from Space Marine too, which a lot of people have found us from that. And you want to get involved in the game. And we also have the model showcase. Yeah, we have model showcase. We have everything in there. I mean, I am, I said, painting's one thing that I'm glad our Discord's really taken off with because I'm a B to B plus painter. Brad's learning to paint for the first time.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I'm in F minus. 30 years in. Because it's a colorblind. So it has poor motor function. But that's a side. Besides that. It's a great place to get advice. Hey, even things like, basically, I love our Discord.
Starting point is 00:06:11 please come join our Discord. It's awesome. Second note is that usually at this stage, for people listening for a while, we go into a long diatribe about our Patreon and our coaching. They both exist, and I'll talk more about the Patreon on a minute. I'm switching right now just a little bit that I don't get to scream the email. How's it worked for you? It's so much better. So we've also at, we've redone our web page.
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Starting point is 00:06:52 We actually, you know, we also not have merchandise in the web page. So if you want to get a T-shirt. 40K lore cats. Yeah, it's being made. I don't like it. It's fine. For him. That being said, though, those last two pieces, we have a Patreon.
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Starting point is 00:07:24 making the cast and putting with effort into it than the postcast production. So thank you, you Patreon members. It's been incredible. And your contributions have really gone a long way to support us with this. So thank you so much. For those of you, though,
Starting point is 00:07:39 who are playing the game, and want to get better at it, Brad has coaching services. And if you go to our web page at the 40KLorecast.com, link in the show notes. Or in our Discord. Yeah, or in our Discord. You can actually look at some of the details of what Brad offers and contact him directly. And I like coaching. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:58 That's a real thing. I mean, it should be said. You do like coaching. And now you don't have to randomly yell your email address out there. Let's talk about the rise of the Ecclesiart. So, again, it's the cast about system. but we can't talk about the sisters. I'll talk about where they come from.
Starting point is 00:08:13 So episode 25, we covered the rise of the Ecclesiarchy. And we're going to do a little bit of a recap here because I'm not going to make you go, go back and listen to that one. But we'll skip something. I would. That's fine. I know you would. So prior to this 36 millennia, there was this explosion of power in the Ecclesiarchy.
Starting point is 00:08:30 You got pretty huge, pretty fast. Well, we can do this one of two ways. You can either listen to us talk or you can fast forward 10 minutes if you have any knowledge of how the Catholic Church rose in Europe. because up until Martin Luther's 13 Treasies. That's what this was. This is, GW ripped this next clock out of it. But they made it cooler.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Yes, but the biggest thing is that people went, because remember the emperor's whole thing was, I don't want religion, I don't want anything. And then they got put on the golden throne and everybody went, this guy protected us because he's a God. And they went, yeah, that's what's happening. And this is, it's really important to kind of understand how the Imperium was at this point.
Starting point is 00:09:08 So we're talking about post-herald. the all-powerful leader of the Imperium is gone, along with his right-hand man of Malcador. Which was actually semi-more important, to be perfectly honest. Yeah, because the Melchor was your liaison. So what happened was you had all these Lords of Terra who existed forever, but they had no real power. But they were nothing but figureheads. And now they would, I mean, in some ways, I actually feel bad for them because they went from being figureheads. I'll fight you right now.
Starting point is 00:09:40 about that. Come on. It's true. This is this is the thing of like the idiot son at the company. The dad dies. Now he takes over the company. He's a horrible person. And we're glad it fails. But he also brings the whole company down with him. Yeah. Which was the entire
Starting point is 00:09:56 period. And the Lords of Terra have sucked from, wait, carry the one. Always, every single time. You know, I'm not even going there. Eventually we're just going to do me talking about how much I don't like the Lords of Tara.
Starting point is 00:10:11 We've promised the Discord. We're going to do a cast in Lords of Terra, and we're going to. It's going to be raging for a long. By the way, I'm going to be edited out of Soma. We're going to do a free... I'm actually concerned about this because Brad has... Brad's got some...
Starting point is 00:10:24 That has unfortunate genetics. He's had two heart attacks and a stroke, right? Or my missing one. It's two open hearts. Two open hearts. And two oblations. And this is why I'm... I'm not that excited about doing Lord of Terra.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I've only had one heart attack. Because the hospital's like... Like, there was an ER five minutes from my house, but the good hospital is 20 minutes away. And I don't feel like having to take you. The Lords of Terror make me physically angry. You don't understand. Like, it's not me putting out of air. John makes fun of me so much for this.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Because you're holding a Dr. Pepper Can and you're crushing it with your right hand. While talking about the Lord's of Terror, I can see it happening. Like the can is, like, crinkling as he says words, Lords of Terra. So anyway, they're not real, Brad. I know they're made up, but I'm very angry on it. Wow. Like, my kids, not even, my kids are afraid of lightning because it's a real thing. Like, loads of terror real for me.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Thank you very much. Good God. So, even before, to kind of bring us back on topic, even before the Great Crusade, the emperor was always revered by a God by certain people, like Lorgar. Well, also, Lorgar did a good job of pushing this out. But Lorgar really believed. he did. This is not a new thing. And so the emperor with his
Starting point is 00:11:43 minions would stamp it out anytime someone, but most time people would kind of start really worshiping him, he would go and stop it. He would smoke show. Yes, but then the emperor is entombed. And then add to this, the imperial citizens, very realistically,
Starting point is 00:12:00 the world was better before the emperor was going in the golden throne. So the greatest leader that has ever happened for the Imperium and recorded history is the emperor. And that's not because they went back through and corrected history. Just objectively.
Starting point is 00:12:16 Objectively better. Yeah, we can look at it and say, yeah. And also the thing is is that a lot of terrible shit is happening to them. And the people what became the ecclesiarchy is pushing out, well, if you would have more faith
Starting point is 00:12:31 in the emperor, then we can do this. And this begins to explode. We get shrines at, like, you know, full cathedrals, everything to the emperor goes up to the point where, you know, by the 36th millennia, people are taking pilgrimages to worlds. Shrine worlds. Yeah, to touch a world that was viewed as blessed by the emperor.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Well, we really have to talk about this because I think we skipped over just a little bit of this. You don't make a ship that doesn't have a shrine to the emperor. Yeah. If you were in a, we're talking to the shipyards. This isn't like a thing that people do as a superstition. No. I order a ship from John's shipbuilding.
Starting point is 00:13:12 He builds a shrine. It has to be a shrine. Period. Minimum in every single ship. But also, and we talked about this in the ad mech when we discussed the machine spirit, when we talk about people doing pilgrimage, with people worshipping the emperor, this isn't Wizard of Oz stuff, guys. This is real.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Like, the warp is real. He's powering up, by the way. Yeah, but it's that piece of the emperor. there is a very good argument to be made that the power of the emperor is a real thing. And these people worship of him is a real thing. Well, it's the what's first, the chicken or the egg? Yeah. Because is the power of emperor real?
Starting point is 00:13:52 Or is the fact that you believe the power of the emperor makes him real? You made it real. But what I'm getting at, though, is that it is perfectly reasonable to assume that if, that the emperor is affecting the lives of citizens. random occasions. Well, if you're talking about sisters of battle, it's not random occasions. It's every time. And that's what I get. So I always want to, I look to cautious, because when we talk about these things, something comes off as ha-ha, silly peasants with their silly beliefs. This one might be real. You were making, you're making reality. You were working it up, basically. Exactly. Exactly. And so this leads to the ecclesiarchy being to gain power and more power
Starting point is 00:14:36 because the citizenry are more aligned with the worship of the emperor than anything else. The ecclesiarchy came from no zero to hero with a witness. In the first 2,000 years, all of a sudden they became something that the Imperium didn't work without them, because if you didn't get the approval of the ecclesiarchy, shit didn't happen. Period. What I want to spend the time on is like the Ecclesiarchy's power is where it's how exceptionally gets. And this is going to matter for someone we're going to talk about shortly. The Ecclesiarchy becomes almost a mini government.
Starting point is 00:15:19 They get a seat as a Lord of Terror, which is fine. But more importantly, they begin to actually operate as an independent wing of the Imperium. And this was not what they were supposed to be doing. Well, they also become judgment. They start to be judge and jury in religious sense. Because what they get is they start installing their own regional governors who are supposed to be overlooking their citizens. These regional governors have power. They have their own, you know, they've developed their own military called the Frateras Templar, who actually are, they have ships, they have soldiers.
Starting point is 00:15:57 The irony is actually the Imperium broke up the Imperial Army into the Imperial Navy and the Astro Militarium. the Frateras Templar are both. They are a Navy and a guard all at once. The issue with this, though, is as this grows, costs begin to grow. And so the Ecclesiarchy begins to actually place imperial tiths on planets in addition to the regular imperial tithe that was coming through. So planets, the thing about imperial tides is it's not 1%. It's basically 50%.
Starting point is 00:16:29 It's all of the percent. It's 50%. now I've got two people asking me for 50% of my output. I can't do it. So this becomes actually, this is where we start to see, this is what I say the 36 millennia, it starts at the first conflict between the two groups, because the challenge is that effectively,
Starting point is 00:16:46 as a, as a planetary government. There's conflicts before, but this becomes the biggest schism. Yeah, because as a planetary governor, my options are I pay the imperial tithe, and then the ecclesiarchy sends the, for terrorist temple,
Starting point is 00:16:59 to come beat me up and take my money. or I pay the ecclesiarchy tithe, and the Imperium sends the guard to come beat me up and take my money. And or worse, the Marines who go collateral damage. I've never Googled that. I have no idea what you mean. Yeah. And what's funny about that is that these two groups, you know,
Starting point is 00:17:18 man, I'm getting trouble for the boy. I grew Philadelphia with Italians to deal with it. So protection rackets. The thing about a protection racket is you also protect with a protection racket. You pay the protection. racket to keep away the other guys trying to run a protection racket. These guys didn't do that. They would just take your money and leave.
Starting point is 00:17:37 So you'd pay the ecclesiarchy. They'd take your money and go. And then the imperial government would show up and say, where's my money? And the ecclesiarchy, you're just like, you're on your own. Good luck. Buy. Like, deucees. So this got, this begins to kind of create a fracture between the two.
Starting point is 00:17:56 This is made worse by the 35th millennia. In the 35th millennia, warpstorms begin to kind of eat apart the galaxy. Not like, these aren't the intense ones of the age of strife, of course, heresy. We'll eventually do a cast about this because these are actually manufactured. I know. But we'll dive into the origins later. This isn't a, oh, no, we had some bad weather. This is a, hey, man, somebody made this.
Starting point is 00:18:24 Someone did this. There's a lot of reasons for it. But, you know, the Imperium doesn't know this. all of a sudden warp travel throughout the entire Imperium starts to get kind of shattered. And what that does is one thing that we didn't do a good enough job talking about before with black ships is that when black ships don't arrive on a planet.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Well, shit does go down. Yeah, the snipers on that planet get real powerful, real quick. A lot of force lightning and yelling unlimited power happens. So we start seeing entire planets falling to like either. psychic warlords or full-blown demon incursions. Or people doing full-on Salem Witchcraft, which is, I saw you doing a card trick and they shot them in the face. Which actually, by the way, that's the correct move.
Starting point is 00:19:13 You're like the correct move. Like, that was way too clever. Well, in the 35th millennia, if it's like, if you have no black ships, you have no protection, you think it's a psych or kill the psycher. Yeah. Like, just like I said choose any card, I shot it. Yeah. And so what you end up happening also at the same time, chaos, because the real reason for the warp storms, chaos starts popping out of the war.
Starting point is 00:19:34 And demons popping out of the warp. Well, and they also came for a specific reason, but we'll go that later. This is a forecast. Yeah, the grey nights get involved and they're wiping out planets. This is like the 30th millennia, the galaxy's burning. It's better than the 40th millennia, but it is burning. Oh, I forgot to mention also, orcs start appearing all over the place. Well, they also come in the weirdest places ever because they...
Starting point is 00:19:58 They ride a spacehulk just for like, it's party town. Yeah. Yeah. They surf into planets for no reason. This is where we start seeing the Jukari raids explode because they realize this is just a party time. Well, let's talk about this real quick on this because Dracari always test the water. And they go, did you do anything about this? Yes?
Starting point is 00:20:18 Okay, cool. Did you do anything about this? Okay, cool. You can't hear Brad tapping the table. Yeah. Yeah, you might. That was one of my worst. I would rate that. I just said, Brad, when he's saying that, let's test the water.
Starting point is 00:20:32 He's taking his finger and touching the table as a, I'm touching the water. It makes a lot of sense to John who can see me. And to everyone else, it makes absolutely no sense. You know what? I want to ride with that. However, they test the water two, three times. And all of a sudden, there's no response. And then they just come in full force.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And they'll take a world, though. So let's say they're taking entire planets. Yeah. They'll go, you didn't respond. You didn't respond? Okay, cool. We're sending a full radar for us and you now no longer have a population. And the reason we're diving into this, because that's not all.
Starting point is 00:21:06 We also enslavers reappear at this, at this point, really briefly. Oh, I forgot that. This is so crazy. Yeah. And other random Zenos who we don't really cover in the lore pop up. This is the 35th millennia is one of the worst times to be part of the Imperium. Oh, it's a shit show. And so what this does, though, what makes,
Starting point is 00:21:24 makes as bad is this makes worship of the emperor go two ways. Some worlds lean more heavily into him, saying, you know, we, you know, maybe if we worship him more, but other worlds go, the emperor has abandoned us. And the ecclesiarchy don't take that second one very well and launch what is effectively the Spanish Inquisition on, on the galaxy. They use the Frateras Templar and then they just start murdering anybody that doesn't, it, not. It, not even that you have an opposing opinion. If you aren't just super excited about the emperor, you get killed. When the difference, though, is that when the Ecclesiarchy does this,
Starting point is 00:22:06 we talked before about like Ordo Hereticus, actually, there's an Ordomalius, which is the Grey Knights, they would wipe out a planet and they would make a backstory about what happened. Oh, there was an industrial accident. When the Frateras Templar do it, it's public knowledge that this role is. Oh, they televised it, basically. So the entire Imperium is also now really starting to struggle with the Ecclesiarch. They do prime time. We're killing everybody on Planet B because they're heretics.
Starting point is 00:22:37 And you can watch it live. And you can imagine what this is doing to the overall viewpoint of the Ecclesiarchy. And this leads to us getting into Goge Van Deere, who I'm just going to call Goge going forward, because it's easier to me to say it that way. He's also such a huge dude. That's incredible, but this is where his sister has come from. So, Gose van derr was never, actually, he becomes part of the Ecclesiarchy, but he was ahead of the administrative. Prior to his ascension.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Except the fact that he sucks and then we can move on. Yeah. From day one. He was horrid. But what they, so one little bit of backstory we should talk about is as the Ecclesiarchy is waging all these wars internally, the reason the Ecclesiarchy is burning worlds with the Frateras Templar is because the Ecclesiarchy is run. by morons at this point. The Adeptus Administratum had a problem. And the problem they had was
Starting point is 00:23:30 the Ecclesiarchy was too powerful. And they knew, just like we talked about in the prior cast with the Inquisition and the Admec, they couldn't engage them directly because the people might turn on them. So what they instead began to do was affect the candidacies of leaders within the Ecclesiarchy. They put morons in charge. Yeah. But they didn't remember, they put them in charge. But the The Adeptus Ministerum didn't have control of who was in charge. They would just back the moron. Yes. And I hope the moron would get the power.
Starting point is 00:24:00 They would back the moron, but they would also back the moron with a bunch of riders and say, we'll back you, but you have to do these eight things. Yes, exactly. And so, but Goge saw something different. Goge was the head of the ministratum and saw the incredible raw power of the ecclesiarchy, and he wanted it for himself. So what he did was, first off, he installed, he helped install, like, the least likable person ever
Starting point is 00:24:26 in charge of the Ecclesiarchy. He was waging televised campaigns of torture and murder of imperial citizens. At the same time, while this man's in charge, Goji is using assassins to pick off other leaders of the administratum to keep himself in power. Other members of
Starting point is 00:24:42 the Ecclesiarchy, they could actually challenge him. Exactly. And built this entire, he basically built a house of cards around the Ecclesiarchy. He sucked, but this dude's doing a Kaiser-Sozzi. Oh, yes. Yeah. He'll-in-or House of Carnes.
Starting point is 00:24:55 He's doing it. Yeah. Basically, same actor. Yeah. Way to go, Brad. You're welcome. My favorite movie in one of my favorite shows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Whatever. These things happen. So Goge behind the scenes then begins to work. He keeps blaming the Ecclesiarchy for all the issues, all the anarchy, all the challenges, until he realizes that the mass of the Imperium, is turning against the ecclesiarchy. And then he makes his move. He gets some imperial guards with him, attacks the headquarters.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Well, he does a full coup. Yeah. And he actually, he does, he executes the head of the Eccleser on TV. But he also does all of them. Yeah. He kills, like, everybody from top to bottom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:44 Saying that they're all heretics. And what he did was, what's clever about this is he's used the actions that he'd influenced them into taking of all this violence and evilness against the populace to prove, obviously they're heretics. Only a heretic against the emperor would be this evil. And with this does this flips everybody to him.
Starting point is 00:26:03 And so he's then able to take, so he has control of the administratum and the ecclesiarchy. He also then actually is able to grab the telepathic, which is a huge deal. He ends up because he only doesn't control the Admec or the space marines or in the equilization. So he's not quite emperor level power, but it was close to. He has absolute power. and in the Imperium. Now, the thing about Goge is like every other power-hungry ruler, he had no actual solutions.
Starting point is 00:26:32 He wasn't sitting there saying, oh, this is run poorly. If I can just get rid of these people, I can then, I'll come in and I'm going to save the imperial. I feel like I mentioned this before. Goge is a huge douche. He sucks. He had a plan to take power, and that's where his plan stopped.
Starting point is 00:26:48 Yeah. So he ends up actually doing a much worse job and the prior guy using for terrorist Templar even more violently. Well, because he's terrified that he's going to lose his power. So anybody that puts any risk of his power, he smokes. He's terrifying in this. What I actually don't know is if he had control of the assassins. I assume he did, but I also, he wouldn't have lost if he did.
Starting point is 00:27:16 So I'm kind of torn back and forth on that because of the fact that he had so many high-level people killed. He did a godfather on this. He did. So the only reason... So many heads of different things just died in... Yeah, I just struggled to believe that he had control of them. Because if he... Honestly, I says it was just going to be poor writing the product of GW and all candor.
Starting point is 00:27:40 But truthfully, if he had control of the assassins and the Imperial Guard, and then... Well, the sisters weren't really that fleshed out of this point, but he'd be effectively... Well, he only loses power... We'll go into it. He only loses power because of that. Yeah, I guess that's fair. All right, let's not even do it.
Starting point is 00:27:54 We'll be right back after a quick break. So the birth of sisters of battle. If you play sisters and you like sisters, I'm really sorry about how much I'm going to shit on them in this episode. Oh, screw you that. I love sisters. No, these are tropes. That's why I don't like.
Starting point is 00:28:08 So I love sisters of battle. I love all the pieces about sister battle. There's just certain elements in their lore that drive me insane. And so the GW took their own interpretation of the Amazon's, and I just, I've always found this, this story to be stupid anyway, but let's go with it. So there's a secret island of giant warrior women that are somehow the greatest warriors in the galaxy.
Starting point is 00:28:31 In this case, instead of an island, it's just, it's a planet. There are so many holes in this story. So the world is, it's an agri world named San Lior, because it's St. Leor, why not? That's what it means. There's a, on this planet, remember, agri worlds have one of the lowest populations in the imperial. Not this one. Yeah. Well, this one do. They all do. That's a whole problem. They all have low populations.
Starting point is 00:28:56 I'm just saying. There is a cult of warrior women. This is all we have who are extremely devout to the emperor. Who were they fighting? Never stated. They fight off some Zenos, a pirates, or are they doing karate in the garage? Just, we get nothing. All we know is that these women who call themselves the daughters of the emperor and they have nothing but love for the emperor. And you know what? These sisters players, I'm going to jump on this and go, the sisters were powered by the holy light of the emperor
Starting point is 00:29:27 and they actually drew upon. Why are they morons and fell for a magic trick? I'm just saying they were deceived. Let's go in. So Goge declares randomly that he's going to pay a special visit to Daughters the emperor. Doesn't tell
Starting point is 00:29:43 them he's coming, by the way. It just shows up with a full fleet and marches right into the inner sanctum of their capital. Once they arrive at the intersanktum, they're turned away because no man may enter the sanctum. They detest this gender crap. Anyway, so, like, Brett has a gather his chi. I'm just getting angry as I do this.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Goge tells them, let me in, because I am an emissary of the emperor himself. And if you have to admit me. But if I'm lying to you, you're free to kill me. So they go, all right, and they march him all the way in. And then he does a magic trick. not even a good one. He tells them he will prove his... And this is so lame,
Starting point is 00:30:27 because he basically just activates his Rosarius, which is a force shield. He holds a Rosarius out, which is basically a... There's no way that they've never seen a foreshed. But to be fair, it says in the novels, I get more mad about the later part.
Starting point is 00:30:41 So he holds up a Rosarius and tells an imperial guardsman to shoot him in the chest. And the guardsman shoots, and of course, the las is deflected. Because the Rosarius, when it doesn't, flashes a big beam of light.
Starting point is 00:30:56 It's a force shield. It's a force shield. And I'm just going to get mad for numerous occasions here. First off, why didn't one of the daughters shoot him with a bolter? Two, it's just a dumb concept. Three, and this is the more important one to me. Fine. At this time, these warrior women who've been doing karate in the garage,
Starting point is 00:31:17 don't know what a Rosarius. Fast forward. I do, you know, I'm not skipping this at all. I want you to know that in our notes, this particular part of the cast is just titled John Rant. Because I'm ranting. So fine, they fall for the Rosarius trick. Neat.
Starting point is 00:31:40 Then they get later, I'm fast forwarding a little bit. Later, they end up back on Terra getting outfitted by the admec. And no one went, oh, the Rosarius has. has a force field in it. So what he did was this. Like, no one ever puts two and two together. This was a bad party trick. Yeah, they're just like, you literally got fooled by a stupid, like, they saw that, like,
Starting point is 00:31:59 no one asked the question. Anyway. He basically put on a bulletproof vest and had somebody shoot him and went, I'm invulnerable. Yeah, look at me. Aren't I incredible? I, again, I do like the sisters. I just eat some elements of their story. So anyway, they immediately declare absolute fealty to goge because he is now, by the
Starting point is 00:32:18 Is it Goge or Gaji? Don't care. I'm going with Goge because Goge or Gaji, and it could be gaji, but I'm going with Goge. I actually like Goge because it's easier to say than what it actually is. Yeah. Oh, is there actually? We're not talking about that. Just keep saying to Goge.
Starting point is 00:32:32 I don't listen to the audiobooks, Brad does. I have too much ADHD. Just keep going with Goge because it's so much easier. I have no, I have too much ADHD to actually listen to the audio books. I've tried. I have to re-listen to them over and over again. Anyway, so Goge takes all the daughters of the emperor. as many as he can back with him to Terra.
Starting point is 00:32:50 And then once there, he sets up their own headquarters where they get all the best weaponry and equipment in the Imperium. And they do start beating the shit out of people. Yeah, but instantly. I'm sorry. We haven't concluded the John Rant period. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad.
Starting point is 00:33:07 It's coming back now. First off, they give them bolters. The same weapon the space marines carry. Yep. The seven foot tall, 800-pound space marons. Yes. Oh, no, we'll get to the power arm a second.
Starting point is 00:33:23 And all they say in the lore is they have a smaller version of a bolter. Same stats. Yeah, exactly. Exact same stats. Nothing's different. And by the way, that same stats in 10th edition have been the same stats in every edition of the game as a space marine bolter. No difference.
Starting point is 00:33:42 30 years now. Yeah. No difference. And they, so they can hold the same. Any weapon the space marine can hold. I mean, it should actually break their arms. Yeah, and they can shoot as well as a space marine at the same distance of a space marine, same ballistics.
Starting point is 00:33:54 The same accuracy of a space marine. Same damage. But it's okay. They also get a light version of power armor. No carapace. No black carapace whatsoever. Probably affects just they should shake up poison at this point in time. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:10 But again, so this actually, it's funny, we made the cast. And when we were doing the cast on the Space Marine, I was teasing Brad that the organs don't work. I think they don't now. So they basically gave the same, they gave the same thing to the sisters. And their sisters were like, oh, yeah, I can just totally use this power armor and this bolter.
Starting point is 00:34:28 You look, hey, don't tell anyone. But if they went to ask, you've got a smaller version of it. And the sisters are like, okay. Sure. Yeah, sure, but it deflects. Same armor save? Yeah. Same armor save, same everything?
Starting point is 00:34:38 Same movement. Yeah. Cissors have the same movement. Like, everything's identical. Yeah. As fast, everything else? Yeah. I mean, like, the Thunder Warrior armor was only on part of the Thunder Warrior's bodies.
Starting point is 00:34:50 The sisters, nope. Although they don't have helmets, do they? I mean, some of them do. You can't check out their cool, space world style. That's true, yeah. Can't check out their sweet tattoos and cool haircuts. It's the sisters, and just someone will call me out, the custodes also have power armor without a black carapace.
Starting point is 00:35:07 The sisters are not genetically modified. They just believe in the emperor. They just believe in the emperor, and that lets them power. and that lets them power their power over. I'm just saying, seem like this is an easier way to build an army. Okay, John Rand over for now. I'm going to turn the page now.
Starting point is 00:35:22 There's more coming. So Goge converts the daughters to his personal bodyguard. They were, and this is important, because they were insanely devout followers of the emperor, and they believe Goge was... The herald of the emperor. Exactly. And...
Starting point is 00:35:38 100%. Also, the sisters start beating the shit out of every one of Goge's personal... Even perceived enemies. No, well, that's the thing. This is why eventually their realization becomes such a big betrayal of Goge to them. Because Goge sends them on personal vendetta missions for most of all of their missions, basically. And they wipe stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Exactly. They wreck. But they wreck populaces. They just decimate his enemies. Yeah, and what's happening is that Goge is also still using the Frateras Templar. The sisters aren't that pop at this point. So to Brad's point, what he's doing is he sends the Frateras Templar, which there's actually a large group. He sends them to wage worth.
Starting point is 00:36:28 But if anyone tries to come back and do anything about it, he sends the sisters or the daughters at this stage. It's not ideal for a lot of the people who dislike him. He, again, I need to really seal this one. The Daughters of the emperor 100% think they are doing righteous work. The word of the emperor is what they are doing right now. So they're so focused on that. They think they're doing basically the good works. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:37:01 So I'm alluding to what's going to happen, obviously. But the sisters, the daughters of the emperor are 100%. we are in the right. We are doing the emperor's will. I think almost it's the way. The daughters of the emperor are not loyal to Goge. They are loyal to the emperor and they believe that Goge is a peace, basically, of the emperor. So therefore, they will do anything for Goge.
Starting point is 00:37:27 He's the herodity. He's the voice of the emperor. Foreshadowing so long as that stays the case. Correct, which is a big thing because they are doing a bunch of shit that they think is morally terrible. Oh, yeah. But it's for the emperor. It's for the emperor. So, and we're, we are the most, not loyal.
Starting point is 00:37:44 We are the most loyal. Exactly. Period. So on the other side of the galaxy, and not just there, but all around the galaxy, there begins to be a small resistance movement. On the other side of the galaxy, there is a man named Sebastian Thor. That's his stage name. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:00 So Thor, Thor, prostitizes for the Confederation of Light. That's what he firmly believes in. And they claim that the Confederation life basically claims that the sacrifice that the emperor made in tombing himself in the golden throne is an example everyone should live for. It's the life of sacrifice and poverty. Well, he said that effectively, these are the Franciscan lungs. He gave up his life for humanity. Well, I also want to point out, because again, I like talking about some of the stuff randomly. This is what St. Francis.
Starting point is 00:38:31 It is a St. Francis. It is a St. Francis in the St. Yeah, of Assisi. So Gauge made to say was not a fan of Thor. You've not a understatement of the millennia. And he sends the Frateras Templar like a fleet of them to go kill him. And this is the first time he does this. A warp storm actually eats the fleet.
Starting point is 00:38:48 The whole thing. Which is later referred to as a storm of the emperor's wrath because it was viewed later in history as being evidence that the emperor was against Goj and for Thor. This, by the way, continues. Goge keeps sending assassins after Thor. And it's hilarious. every single time they either mysteriously die or they end up becoming supporters. And they're like, this is awesome.
Starting point is 00:39:11 So this continues to grow and grow and the Confederation of Light starts to conquer effectively the galaxy against Gose. And Gouge becomes more and more stuck back into the planet. Eventually, the ad mech make a comment effectively, stating that we don't support Gose.
Starting point is 00:39:32 We support the Fratera Stamblars. And Gouge, freaks out, obviously, but does not funny thing. He actually declares the admec and the adeptist to Star Days as both heretics and enemies of the Imperium, to which the Space Marines went, yo, man, what the F? Like, they didn't say anything. Well, they didn't even know, because, again, they're doing, the Space Marines are great about a ton of stuff.
Starting point is 00:39:56 They're wildly bad about knowing what's actually going on. Well, space Marines have no interest in Terra. They've never had interest in. No, but when you say, Tara, we're not talking about. about the planet. We're talking about... Yeah, the space Marines. They're so focused on weight because... They're focused on war. To be
Starting point is 00:40:13 fair, yeah, the space Marines are constantly like, hey, the emperor's children are invading planet 178 in this sector. And they're going, all right, we're on our way, so we don't lose 178. That's what their brain goes to. That's what they do. They don't care who's in charge. Exactly. They're not worried
Starting point is 00:40:29 about who's freaking taking out the trash on the 15th sector. Who's delivering milk here, they're like, yeah, man, figure it out, dude. That's not what I do. How many bolt rounds do we have? How many bolters do we have? Exactly. All of our crap here? Yeah, all right, then whatever. Move on with your day. So they don't care who's in charge. And the space marines effectively just go, all right, I guess we have to deal with this now. And they send a strike force made of Imperial Fists, Black Templars. I know what they are.
Starting point is 00:40:57 Fire Hawks and Soul Drinkers. I don't know what they are. You don't know how fire hawks and soul drinkers. I just put those together are both super cool. Okay. Anyway. They go down there to actually oust Goge along with the support of the Admec. It appears that they did this with no research into what they were going into, and they just decided to attack the Imperium. So they do what they always, because, you know, obviously the space marines and the ad mech are famous for not planning their attacks. I mean, yes. It's like the number one thing the space Marines do. The number one thing they do.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Yolo Swagons. They never do that. Even the space wolves, I mean, their plan might be weird, but it's a plan. The space Marines were just like, yeah, we'll just go down there. Just figure it out. And we'll figure it out. So they do their normal attack. They bombard the capital from space and they fire a bunch of drop pods into it.
Starting point is 00:41:51 The drop pods land and the daughters of emperor come out with their bolters and power armor. And sisters with special weapon. Yeah, and special melted guns, las cannons, and just start. wrecking the space marines. I know, again, that this was done to make the sisters look really good from a lower standpoint, but it just doesn't make sense that space marines are landing in a lightning in a lightning drop pot of salt, and their sisters are just like, yeah, I got this. Don't worry about it. You know, this is what space marines do. The ultramarines, like, sorry guys, the bitch this much, but I have to keep doing it. Like, the space marines are supposed to be some of the most tactically
Starting point is 00:42:34 gifted. And versatile. They adapt on the whole thing about space marines and I'll give you this. I'm not going to ditch as much as you are on this one. But Space Marines' whole thing is that
Starting point is 00:42:48 they adapt to any combat environment immediately. They get pinned down for is it a month? It's, how about this, too long? Yeah, months. They spend months pin down outside
Starting point is 00:43:04 the Imperial Palace by the sisters. So the... I love the fight. John's getting as bad as I get usually. I love it. It's so infuriating because the space marines have organs and power armor and all the things that allow them to fight for the days on end.
Starting point is 00:43:20 They've got weaponry technology. They also have the ad mech in orbit shooting down. And their sisters just went, yeah, we're good. The rest of the story's cool. You hate it. I love it. It's a matter. Okay. So the rest of the story's,
Starting point is 00:43:34 story is cool, but you can write it in a funny way, which is what I went with. I know. So I viewed this as all of this war is going on. This is a month-long conflict is happening outside of the imperial palace between the sisters, probably some guardsmen as well, and the Space Marines. And eventually it gets loud enough that one custod says, hey, what's going on to the neighbor's house and pops their head out the window? And the Centurian, who's named this, is Longinus, which that names.
Starting point is 00:44:04 sounded familiar when I wrote it down, so I had to go look it up. He was the dude that literally used the spear of destiny to stab Jesus. The guy, so yeah, the GW for, and I have no idea why, decided this custod is going to have the same name as the Roman centurion who stabbed Jesus. Whatever. The rest of the story's super cool, though. This is, that was stupid. The story's awesome.
Starting point is 00:44:25 The story's funny, but I just like, basically, the custodes pop out, and the space marines just radio in like, hey, here's what's going on. And Lunginus effectively goes, ugh, fine, grabs a bunch of custodes, teleports into the imperial palace, and just walks up to the head of the daughters, the emperor. And I say walks up, the daughters were shooting at them.
Starting point is 00:44:48 The custodes were just like, just don't care. Yeah, I don't care. They're like, look, man, they wrote you to be super tough, but I'm accustomed. Yeah, I'm a custer. Like, no. Just no, we're not going that far.
Starting point is 00:44:59 Yeah, just walking up there. They're being yelled at. And he just like, and he's basically says, shut up, come with me, I'll take you to the emperor. And their daughters immediately get super cool with this off. They shut everything down. And the leader of the sisters goes, yeah. Yeah, that would be awesome.
Starting point is 00:45:15 Hey, would you like to talk to God today? For some reason, she went, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm into this. You know, I just cleared my schedule. I'm going to go ahead and talk to God. Yeah. It is written in the lore that there is no record of what was said. So what we say, we don't know what was said. It was in, this is an intentional thing by GW.
Starting point is 00:45:35 No one knows what was said. She communes in front of the golden throne with the emperor. And apparently whatever was said was not pro-goge. Yeah, it was not a like, yeah, you're following the right guy. And the, I love this. The custodes just teleport back to like the imperial palace. Look at the sisters and say, good luck and leave. She gets beyond pissed.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Yeah. Basically goes, oh, all that shit that I didn't want to do in the first place was because I'm following a tyrannical ruler. Well, we're going to take care of that. But worse that, I'm following a heretic. Yeah. She was, she had been following and doing the work. And she gets the her place at the table. That is a wild 80s movie reference.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Yeah. And just goes, ain't going out like that. And so she goes and she single. So her and her rettoon walk in, a retinuey. Someone corrected, someone corrected me on Spotify. I was pronouncing that one wrong and I still am going with retune. But anyway. Rednu? Is it retinue?
Starting point is 00:46:43 It's retin new. Not retune. Ah, things happen. 43 years old and you learn a new thing. So with her retinue. I still won't do Conrad Cruz. My bad. Her and her retinue walk in and she just starts yelling at Goge, who's a respect.
Starting point is 00:47:01 who realizes what's about to happen and says, I don't have time to die. I'm too busy. Well, he apparently found time in his schedule because she cuts his head off. Goge is very dead. By the way, I think he got off lucky because I think that they were going to do worse shit to him.
Starting point is 00:47:19 If they knew what a penitent engine was. Yeah, he would have been in one immediately. They were beyond pissed. So obviously without Goge there, Sebastian Thor takes control of the Ecclesiarchy, he gets the Terra, and he reforms the church. He's actually fairly legit. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:37 I keep calling it Sebastian Thor. It's Martin Luther. But anyway, that's who he is. It's Martin Luther. He was wildly more successful. Martin Luther was too. Yeah. I mean, it's just nail 13 trestices to a church if you took it over, but that's what Luther wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:47:52 So Luther comes through and he reforms the church to make it what in his mind it should be. that it shouldn't be a figure of government. It should just be, it should be just an ecclesiarchy. So he limits the power to keep it focused on worship. But he does this, like, really dumb thing. Let me say this one because you're... You know how much I hate it? You hate it so much.
Starting point is 00:48:16 He declares that the ecclesiarchy is banned from having a men under arms. Basically, there can't be a male fighting force. No, this is what's the same. No, he calls him men and arms. I know, but I hate this so much because they say it out like he says men of arms, but ha-ha, we found a loophole those women. He was looking at the daughters of the emperor when he said this. I know.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Just, I mean, it's, he could have just as easily said the ecclesiarchy will have no military except for those people and point at the daughters of emperor is that he had to make it an intentional loophole. Why? And then they immediately became the all-female force. It's just like, just why? But anyway, oh, I love the fact that you hate that so much. I hate it so much because it's just, it's not, it's not well written. That's what about it's like, the story would have worked just as well for him to say the truth, which is that should have been, you know, the ecclesiarchy is going to have its own military, but its military is going to be made up of the most loyal members to the emperor that have ever lived.
Starting point is 00:49:22 That makes what it really is. The sisters, it makes sisters awesome is that they have unending. love and devotion to the emperor and his power, as opposed to the Frateras Templar, who were just a bunch of soldiers. They also have absolute rage against all opponents of the emperor. But anyway, let's dive into... All acts are okay. Let's give them some credit.
Starting point is 00:49:46 So the reformation now has to happen. And the sisters first off get renamed the Adeptus sororitus. Which, pause on that because I think they were not doing it justice in all of these. Anytime you are made an adeptus, it means you're now... Big deal. Yeah. You are now official. This is a real...
Starting point is 00:50:04 You are an arm of the Imperium. It's not that this is a... This is not a sticker. Good job. This is, you are legit. You are forever now. You're adeptus. It means, again, you are a...
Starting point is 00:50:20 Are you an arm of the Imperium? The arm of the empire. Where I get annoyed here. I'm going to get annoyed again. Sorry, Cesar's fan. So they're a military armed ecclesiarchy, which means that they should be waging, which they wage holy wars against the enemies of the Imperium. So like, you know, like the Grey Knights would be fighting the Warp agents of Chaos. So the Cicesters also fight Zenos, rebels, pirates, really anything.
Starting point is 00:50:45 They actually don't have, like, Grey Knights have a direct purpose. The Grey Knights should never be fighting against, like, even Drew Carrey because they're not, you know, heretical. I mean, to be fair, the sisters start shit with everybody. That's my point. The sisters are just like, they're just another one. They end up effectively kind of where they were with Coach, just without the evil is what I'm getting. Yeah. So they're unchained wrath.
Starting point is 00:51:14 They just kind of go punch shit. So with that in mind, they have to blow up quite a bit because they went from a bodyguard to an actual military. So they have to get a lot more of them. So first off, Alicia Dominic. Domenica, who's the one who cut Goja's head off, she becomes the head of the sisters. She's also awesome. And she is awesome. And I really do.
Starting point is 00:51:34 The thing I like about her is that in the story, she really is actively trying to atone for the past mistakes and make sure they can never happen again. She's a true believer. Yeah. Like, like, full. Well, she met the emperor. That's what I'm saying. Like it helps. Like, but that's the, but she was a true believer before.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Like, I'm openly an atheist. If I met God, I would change my mind. Yeah. It's just like, hey, I was a, I was. pretty sure that this was the correct thing to do. And then I had a lunch date with God. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay, fair enough. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:04 So I'm pretty big on. He seems real. So let's do this. Yeah, exactly. So what the first thing she does is creates me. It's called the Convocation of Nephilim, which is, it just bound the sisters to, to be part of the Ordo Hereticus. They were now the official military might of the Inquisition, and they were going to fight heresy.
Starting point is 00:52:24 And this is different. And this is important because. now, they're hunting down the gojsges of the Imperium. But that being said, they're also working with the Inquisition, who kind of are the gojas of the Imperium sometimes. And they're willing to smoke that at a moment's notice. But I just, I think this is funny because I think the sisters went from, we're never going to work under a goge again.
Starting point is 00:52:44 So we're going to align ourselves with the Inquisition. The goges. Yeah. So like, but also. But they're not as bad as it goes. Yeah. But also the sisters, and in tons of stories, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:55 As soon as they find out, Oh, they turned. Yeah, they have no loyalty to 180 degrees, like instantly, boom. You're right. We should give the fans of sisters the credit here that they are due. The sisters, if they think you're a heretic, will take no orders from you. I don't care how long I've been listening to you. It ends instantly.
Starting point is 00:53:15 Yep. They get one email that says that you're a heretic and they go, well, it looks like you're dead now. Yeah. Like it looks like my flamer still works. Yeah. Exactly. Looks like you're in a room. Now where to go.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Click, click, burn. The next thing that they had to do, though, obviously, was grow the order. And the sisters need bodies. Luckily, there was a program well-established that collects orphans from around the Imperium, Scholar progenium. The assassin episode, we went into these a little bit. So if you want to know more about it, go listen to this. It goes to that, but it's dark as shit.
Starting point is 00:53:48 Yeah, I don't like, I don't, I will reference it a lot. I don't like talking about it because it's just a horrible thing. So effectively, every female orphan, in the entire Imperium is at one point tested to see if they could be part of the Sisters of Battle. If they can pass, then that's where they go.
Starting point is 00:54:06 And it's a pretty good gig, if I'm being honest, because... They do start breaking up the orders this time. Yeah, but I just want to dive one more time into how the hell do these people carry power armor and bolters without a black carapist?
Starting point is 00:54:21 Because it made... Earlier, it made some sense to me. I can't get over this. I apologize, guys. But earlier it made some sense because, like, you know, we had stories like typhus and Abidon were very large. Even Luther to a point where they were, they were very large. Oh, it ran up Luther too. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:37 But so it was like, okay, well, maybe all their sisters from this agri world had some special genetics. And that's what allowed them to do all these incredible things. But then it doesn't matter because they start collecting females from everywhere. And it's just as effective. So apparently, I'm not sure that are space marines not even real? Do we kill about 65% of them for absolutely no reason? I just can't figure it out where it's like, is it just,
Starting point is 00:55:05 they're all just regular men, but their power arm, they put lifts in? What's going on here, guys? I need to get the power armor. But then the last thing that they do, though, is they break the order up into factions. I really do like this. Orders.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Yeah, into orders. Well, I would call them factions. They become known as, orders. I like this a lot. And it's because this is where, to me, the sisters become a really interesting faction. They don't just become a military faction. They serve other purposes within the Imperium. And we're going to dive into the moment. First, the first one they break off, which we're not even talking about here is Ordo's militant, because that's next week, which is all the military element of it. So obviously, sisters are a battle are there. The next ones, though,
Starting point is 00:55:50 are more important because the sisters, what I guess we probably should have mentioned at some point, let's do it now. The sisters are beloved throughout the Imperium. They may be one of the most positive. Outside of like, hey, I'm in danger, thank God the Space Marines are here. The sister's presence is a warming and positive presence. Well, they're beacons of faith and they are easily identifiable.
Starting point is 00:56:14 But I think the populace... They do good acts, though. It's not just like a priest. Yeah, but I'm saying they're also very easy to recognize but they're relatable. They're not nine-foot-tall monsters. Actually, fun question that in the Discord let me know, did they all have white hair?
Starting point is 00:56:33 No. Okay. All the models I've ever seen have white hair. A ton of mad black hair. Okay, cool. Anyway. But I won't go into that because there's a clone thing. That's what I figured.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Okay. So let's spend some time with some of the non-combat orders. The first one is the hospitality, which is just awesome. Actually. But you can guess what it is. So these are the nuns. These are, it's stolen from like, when Brad was younger when you would go to,
Starting point is 00:57:02 when you would go to the hospital. There are nuns at the hospital. And one of the biggest things is that they actually have holy powers, but they also have a ton of tech with them. Yeah. To. They're actual doctors. They're actual medics and doctors.
Starting point is 00:57:15 It's, they're medical doctors from the year 40,000. So they're doing stuff where, hey, man, I'm about to die. I'm like, no, that's a flesh from him. Tick, you know, and just... I'm laughing on our last cast, we were doing ad mech. Like, you don't want the ad mech, doctor.
Starting point is 00:57:29 No. Exactly not good. This looks like a definitely fatal. I have a hang now. Definitely fatal. We're going to remove your whole arm. Yeah. So they would, so these, the Ordos Hospitaliae would actually,
Starting point is 00:57:42 it might be hospitaler. I don't remember. I keep saying Hospitalia because I'm going to French instinctively. But anyway, they would actually serve as medics and doctors who were even attached to astramalatoms. It was an astramalotter. armed soldiers recovering, you'd actually be tended to by a sister of battle, which is super cool. The next one is equally important is Ordos Familius, which is the teachers and educators of the
Starting point is 00:58:03 Imperium. Now, it sounds better than it is because the Imperium doesn't actually educate people. It just educates nobles. They were preachers, though. This is where the preachers come from, especially if you're talking about the game. Preacher, the preacher model stuff comes from the. this sect, you know what I mean, which are people that are trying to push the love, the worship of the emperor, and they are so devote, and we'll again get into this more
Starting point is 00:58:34 in the next cast, they get superpowers from this. But I, so the Ordo's Familios, I also do laugh at a little bit, because what their main role is, is to serve as educators, but also advisors that planetary governors. And I view this, you can look at this one of two ways. Yes, they're very intelligent. They can help you. Or there is a sister of battle in power armor holding a bolter. To your face.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Right there. Right over your shoulder while you're making decisions for the Imperium. Feel free to make something I think is heretical. Yeah, I feel like the term advisors need some pretty heavy air quotes there. By the way, heretical actions, real big leeway. Exactly. So just that piece of like you're making, you know, you're having your board meeting and you're a hive world. and there's a sister of battle holding a bolter in the corner.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Just like, I'm here for advice, guys. Does anyone need any advice? You're like, anyone have any questions? And you kind of look over and go, eh? I think we should worship the emperor. Worship the emperor. I was thinking about having salad for lunch. And she kind of like doesn't, she takes her finger off the trigger.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Like, yes, we're having salad for lunch. Good job. Salad it is, guys. Salad to this. The next group is order dialogue. This one's actually, to me, the most interesting of them all. They're also super cool. There's a group.
Starting point is 00:59:56 But on the board. Sorry. Dialogists are super cool. Right. But I just, honestly, the board could care less. The lore is awesome. So one of the problems, if you think about, this is why I, so I like when the GW writes things that makes really good logistics sense. The Imperium is going to consistently interact with Zenos, both the living beings and the technology.
Starting point is 01:00:16 And the problem is that the Zeno's language is viewed as heretic. because it can be. You don't know, you know, again, defending them here. You don't know if what you're about to read is a spell. Exactly. Did you just read a summoning spell? So who can you trust with the knowledge to be able to read and understand those languages? Well, you're going to give it to the most faithful members of the entire period, which is the sisters. So the Ordos Dialogists are masters of zeno language, culture, technology. And so they're able to actually, if they need, they can translate any all these zeno languages that they know into high Gothic, both verbally and in written form. That's so cool to me.
Starting point is 01:00:58 That's so cool to be like, okay, we have, again, good for UGW and write this, because you would need this. How could we function with all these zenos out there, given you're usually just going to shoot them, but in those random cases, this is where it really pays massive dividends. This is an amazing order. And there's a bunch of other ones that kind of come in after that where, like, we've got orders that whose job it is to guard. specific relics.
Starting point is 01:01:22 There's an order who guard... We'll get into the more exciting ones, which is the next cast. The next cast, we'll spend time on... The militant orders. Yeah. But I wanted to spend time on,
Starting point is 01:01:31 like, because I kind of, I needed to close on this because I recognized it around the way and I was kind of crapping on their scissors a little bit. I have no... I'm not crapping on their scissors. I'm crepting the sisters writing.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Where like, oh, it's no male. They'll have no standing group of men to fight for them. But what about the woman? Shut up. You can write that better. You know, also the power arm, It's a problem. Don't, don't, don't poo on A1. The power armor is a problem. The power arm is a big.
Starting point is 01:01:56 A1 can definitely wear a power armor. I know, but like, and carry Pellon. How long you been playing space marines for? 30 years? And they get outrun by a sister in the exact same. Oh, that's super goodnoy. Sorry, but it's just, yeah, it's a thing. I'm sorry, but, you know, if I outweigh somebody by 600 pounds, I should also probably be able to. Yeah, they carry multi-melters, multi-meltas. Which is a tank weapon. Yeah. They actually,
Starting point is 01:02:23 they carry them more than space marines do. True story, actually. Full squads. Full squads of multi-melters. Space Marines, like,
Starting point is 01:02:29 nah, that would slow us down. Anyway. Probably get poisoned. So next week, we're going to dive hard into the Ordo Militants, weapons,
Starting point is 01:02:39 units, tactics, and a lot of the key characters, especially what the hell a saint is. A demon. It's a happy demon, though. It's a faithful. demon. It's a very smiley face demon. It's a demon. I know. So we hope
Starting point is 01:02:52 you guys enjoyed this cast and the sisters, but we look forward to you guys joining us next week. But until then, this has been John Barsati and Bradchester. This guy.

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