The 40k Lorecast - Episode 64 - "Where are they now" Primarch edition - the Loyalists

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

On Today’s cast we conclude our listener cast on “where are the Primarchs now” with a focus on the Loyalists. After a very quick trip into very dead Ferrus Manus, we spend a bunch of time on John’s favorite Primarch Guilliman. He is awesome, sorry. Then we throw Brad a bone and jump into Leman Russ. We follow this up with Sangunius and Corax, and then Vulkan. Then we make Brad admit that Rogal Dorn is awesome, and then conclude on the Lion. PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast with me, John Barsati and Bradchester. This guy. On today's cast, we're concluding our series of Where Are They Now, Primark Edition, with a focus on the loyalist primarks. You're going to pizzazz that up. Yeah. Where are they now?

Well, actually, the best part about in writing this is I realize that traitor primarks are all doing a lot better than the loyalists are. By far. It's not even close. Mostly just not being dead. Also, their influences, well. Mostly in the not. not being dead thing.

Yeah, the not being dead things are a huge thing and or being trapped somewhere or you're, yeah, we'll go into this. I'm gonna warn you all now. I'm super excited about this cast.

I like Gillivan. Be ready. Yes, you do. Yeah, be ready for that. But before we begin, as always, please continue commenting and liking.

You guys are doing a great job. Those of you who are doing it, those who you aren't, please, but whatever, don't have to. It's really great. Like I've said,

but numerous times before, I read these comments in the morning when I'm drinking coffee. It makes me laugh. My goal is to kind of, get this podcast large enough that I get a note from GW that just says, come on, stop, because we do have some fun at their expense. I will be talking to them this weekend.

I mean, it'll be in the past, in the cast, but now it's in the future. Yeah. There you go. Stop saying this weekend when it's, when it's going to be this episode. I'm not putting out weeks after. I'm just saying, I didn't put a date on it. I said, for me this weekend. You guys want to see me at the grocery store.

I'll be there this Thursday at 2 p.m. I'm like, I consider myself. Schroeder and is Brad, I exist and don't exist at the exact same time. You don't know. Anyway. That'll make it. Given your health when you're in a box in the ground, we all know. He doesn't exist.

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That's just how this works. Yeah. But we're getting some stuff that got to help out for every time Brad puts this Dr. Pepper down, which I called out as he was drinking the Dr. Pepper. I got to watch him very gently put it down, which always makes me laugh. With my shaky hand too. Yeah, if you want to help, it's very good. very funny. Remember you call him right out for something, he will adjust behavior instantly,

and it's very enjoyable. I don't really like how that sounds. I feel like people are just going to follow me around with spray bottles and be like, no, bad Brad. If you put out Brad is short, he will sit up. I'm not kidding. He does do that. Your posture changes. I'd like to refute that, but no, that's 100%. Like, there's no chance that that's not true. Or he'll flex. It's one of those two will happen every time. Or both. You should often both. So we at, lastly, we do have a website, the 40K lorecast.com. You can go there has links to our Patreon or Discord, but actually our merchandise, if you want to get some clothing, we've got some clothing. It's funny. Don't worry. I actually put an effort into it.

I just stole John's hat just so I made sure it was comfortable. And it is. So I'm getting one. I'm very proud of my other towel shirt I put on there about never forget, never forgive. I'm never. Those stupid shield drones. Anyway, just want to tell you, the hat's comfortable. It's a good hat. Also, there's dice too. And I've used them and I won. So, ha-ha. Anyway, I, that spiral did it weird yeah last thing that we always cover is brad's coaching uh for people who are interested in playing 40k it can be a little bit daunting to get into yeah daunting honoris whatever time you want to use and the what brad has is over 10 years of coaching experience at multiple levels this can be everything from i'm brand new to the game to i'm brand new to playing competitive

to i do all those things and i want to be better at it brad's there his goal though the nice thing about him is that his goal is to actually not just have you have a better time, but have you make better choices, which allow for you to have a better time. So Brad's goal, though, is to make people have a better time with the tabletop. So if you're looking for coaching, please reach out to him. You can go to our website, you can go to our Discord, or you can keep ruining the amount of spam he gets by making him say, email him at. Old man, Brad, 40K at gmail.com.

I love the fact, by the way, that we cut this out. And then people went, we want this to happen. What I love actually more is not if you get to see what happens. When we used to do this, Brad would, he would posture up. He put his hand out and speak like it was a Shakespearean play, giving out his email address. And now it's PTSD. Every time I bring this up, he makes this, like, sad face of,

I am going to get so many emails about lonely 50-year-olds in your area. Anyway, all for the loyalists. Last week, we opened the traders with a quick one, and we're going to say this week. I want to say that your back-to-back weekends of Dick Move, man. Was opening with the quickest one, Ferris Manus. He's dead. We're on our day.

Super dead. Yeah, super dead. He was on the drop site massacre Istvon 5, and then Folgram cut his head off with a demon blade. Back that up real quick. not just Fulgrim. Oh, who was Fulgroom to Farris Mattis? Oh, his best friend.

Oh, yeah. I actually forgot if it was right. Yeah. Ferris was fighting his best friend, Fulgram, who used a demon blade to cut his head off. And then the demon blade possessed Fulgroom for a while. One of like, ten times.

Numerous times. Weirdly enough, I said ten times is a ha-ha, and I think it is actually six. Yeah, it's six or seven. Anyway, that was fun. Let's do a long one. He's big. So many.

He wears a lot of blue, and he's the best prime mark in the entire game, Gilman. And when I say that, just understand, I really do. I love Gilliman. And I would argue, in my argument for him, is that no prime mark to me is more involved with 40K lore than Gilman. Well, especially now. Yeah. He launched eighth edition. Yeah, 30K lore, whatever, 40K lore?

I'm saying, like, modern, because right now we are in the 10th edition of 40K in the game. G-Man got resurrected in the 8th edition, and that was when we started pushing the story-led form. Let's go back further. I'm sorry. Seventh edition. No, Codex of Starties. That's Gileman.

Where did that come in? That's before first edition. No, I'm just saying. I'm saying modern 40K. Modern 40K, he's even more about what I'm saying is that he is. Well, he wrote the book. Yeah, he wrote the codex of start. He restructured the entirety of the Imperium.

Yeah. Gilliman's important. Those who don't like him, I get it. I want you to know that John talked at me. I don't get it because Brad is like, Gilin. I know that. It's okay. Yeah, because you like all the other primarks who are rushing off to like,

I'm going to slap chaos in the face, and Gilliman's like, we should feed people. I feel like people should know that I actually prefer bad decisions at all time. Yeah, let's focus on it because that's actually important to me. So Gilliman missed the siege of Tara because he, just like the lion and Lehman, were held up by Alpha Legion and word bears and et cetera, et cetera. So, Gilliman was not thrilled about this, and he arrives at Terra with 3,000 capital ships

just as the traders are booking out as fast as they could. Now, this is why I like Gilman, where all of his brothers were ready to launch themselves after the traders and chase them out of the galaxy. We're just ready. They did. Well, they were originally ready to it, and they did it anyway. I'm saying they just left.

Gilliman looked around and he realized he's got this incredible fleet. He has the largest, I believe he was at this point, the largest legion. It's him and Dark Angels. It's hard for me to remember exactly which one was larger. It's no trams in this point in time. Yeah. Oh, it's right. The other word, the largest legion.

He could have pursued chaos and done a bunch of damage, but instead he did the right thing. He looked around the Imperium and decided to save the Imperium from itself. The Imperium was trashed. It was a collapse. It was a collapse. going to collapse. So the first thing he does is he secures Terra. He goes through and purges any and all chaos forces. Because we talk about the siege of Terra. We forget it was in the Himalayan Mountains,

which was, you know, the palace, I think they said it was, it was large, they said it was a few thousand square kilometers. This is the best thing you wrote this way. Yeah. So for those of us in America, that's about 500,000 Costco's. Never use the metric system. And if any of you are, are, broad don't owe to Costco is, that is actually your loss. At rotisserie chicken and that hot dog. Just so much stuff. Those plates and spirals. Yeah.

Anyway, the problem is that at 500,000 Costco's in size, it's still not the earth. And so Gilliman and his ultramarines went down to like Brazil and found the chaos cultists there and beat the crap out of them. That's- Gelleman did not have a light touch. No, that's the thing of because Gellman gets a lot of grief for being this like bureaucrat

and it's like, yeah, he is. But he's a bureaucrat with the most powerful army in the Imperium. And he uses it accordingly. Yeah, he did flatline all of the shit. Yeah. The next thing Gilliman does, though,

is reestablished control of the Imperium. And we've discussed this before too, and I was the drive at home, that the Imperium was run by the Emperor and Malcador. Like the Lords of Terra, they'd always been there, but they were nothing more than figureheads, but the most powerful being in the galaxies in charge. Well, when the Emperor and Malkador were alive and would, could possibly just show up. Yeah, it was just kind of like, you can't really misbehave that bad.

Well, and it's all the pieces like you don't really make decisions. It's a bigger problem. You're like, oh, we should do wait for it. Wait for emperors here. What are we doing, Emperor? You're doing this. Cool. That's what we're doing.

Now he's gone. And they genuinely have no. they were not ready for it because they were. You take a figure out. They sucked from the start. What I love about Gilliman, though, is that he sees this scenario of these effectively useless Lords of Terra, and he could have, like, given him a good pep talk, really helped him get through it.

Instead, he just made himself Lord Commander of the Imperium. The only good, not the only good thing, the best part about him doing this is that, there already was one. There was one. And it was, and he was, it was currently Rogel Dorn. And I expect that Gilliman called himself the Lord Commander. Rogel went, hey, I'm the Lord Commander. And then Gilman pointed, pointed at all of terror and said, yeah, he did a really great job of that, Rogel.

I'm going to fix some shit, right? If you need me, I'll be fixing things. Yeah. And so he takes control of the military, which gives him really effectively control of the Imperium. And it's because when we say the military, he's not just. commanding the troops. He gets everything that comes into that. All the logistics, all the shipping lanes. Let's go, because we're going to have to do a little recap on this for Horaceousy style. Horace heresy time. At this particular time, the Imperium was the military, period. Yeah. It was just

because we went from the Great Crusade straight into the Horace heresy. There was no like, oh, there was no peace time. No. That's it. And so the military was ever. So all of your commerce trade logistics, they were all based largely around feeding the military beasts. So taking control of the military really put Gilliman in charge of everything. And with a galaxy on fire, this is really, really important because people have to get fed. That's what we're talking about here. If he'd just done what other people had done, the food would have stopped flowing. The galaxy, the imperialian probably would have starved to death.

I'll give you this. G-Man is next level in bureaucracy. But not the bad kind of bureaucracy. Not the like, let's make five TPS reports. No, he was to be like, yeah, he was, he's a logistic mastermind. The TPS. Yeah. Now, the funny thing about this is that the other like Primark brothers who were there

with him were not exactly cool with this. They weren't like looking for a new boss. And all of a sudden their brother who, is an equal effectively, says I'm in charge. And my viewpoint of the conversation, because I actually can see him and Lehman Russ having this, of Lehman Russ just saying, you can't just declare yourself Lord Commander.

Why shouldn't I be in charge? And then to which Gillman says, do you want to sit here at Tara while everyone else goes and punches traitors? And Lehman and Russ would go, fine, you can be Lord Commander. Someone grab my Chinese ass kicking boots. We're out of here.

Like, also you have to fill out all this paperwork. Yeah, I don't know. You know what? You do it. Do you want a bigger hat? I heard that's how they determine it. Petarabo went that way. Bye.

Like, you know, I got to go do some stuff. And then once left in charge by his brothers, Killeman, I think at this point, just decides to be kind of a dick and goes, hey, I'm going to write the Codex of Starties now. It's just, yeah, this went over well. This was not well received. Hey, you're going swimming.

Here's this anchor. Yeah. Well, no, he was a good idea. unlike the warrior lodges. It was, and we'll talk about it when we go into Lehman, because he writes the Codex of Star-Dais specifically because he said

too much power in one person's control will lead eventually to corruption. Ultimate power ultimately corrupts. So he breaks everything down to which a couple of people cough-off Lehman basically sent... We'll get to them in a little bit. I'm just saying it went over,

but his concept was, was, was good in that if you look at the space marine legions they were all it was originally a hundred thousand now they're down below 10,000 side note but 100,000 soldiers super soldiers, greatest soldiers in the galaxy outside of the sisters. That's not even the biggest thing. They were self-contained because they had a navy, their own navy. They had their own guard detachments. All of these pieces.

And so if a primark turns, you have to take on an entire legion. What Gilliman said was, no, we're going to fracture this down. And we're going to remove, effectively remove the prime arcs from the top and go down to chapter masters. And that way we get lots of small, you know, whatever we call it, groups of military. So if there is a rebellion, they're easier to put down. Sort of is it my only issue here. Because the sisters are set up just like the space versus space Marines were. They weren't at the top.

They weren't included in the context. I know, but ad me, I mean. Yeah, but we already talked about that. And all I'm saying is like this, this only, it was a nice idea, but it only affected the space marines. That's all I'm saying. And this way, again, yeah, I mean, it's a fine idea, I guess, is what I would say. Fine-ish. Yeah.

Now, that being said, the prime marks had a pretty solid, hey, what, WTF moment when he did this, because they were just about to go, again, on their ass-taking missions, and found out, wait, and I got to break my entire Legion up, to which 50% of them didn't. Yep. But they should have. No, they should have. Yes, they should have. Biker game for life. It's not a good situation.

Although I guess the lion technically broke his legion in half, not even knowing it. Yes. True. Oopsies. Yeah. He was ahead of the game, actually, technically. It's kind of not. No, he neither.

Now that being said, the Codex Astardis also affected the Imperial Army. This is when we got the split between the Astromilitarum, for intellectual property reasons, and Imperial Navy, which had no models. So I guess we could just call it a Navy. Intellectual property doesn't matter if you're not going to make any models to patent.

So the Astramilitarium even also got split even further. Before this moment, just for those into the Astromilitarum cast, the regiments were all put into the Imperial Army kind of ad hoc. Now, this is when the regiments came up. And this was, again, designed to control and prevent the spread of rebellion. If a planet were to rebel and be against the emperor, that planet, those soldiers don't ever work with or associate with the soldiers from other planets.

It's a big deal on this because G-Man was, while everybody, all his brothers were going out and effectively beating the shit out of chaos. He was reclaiming all the supply lanes and logistics and reconquering planets. And at first he had a real problem with, I got this planet back. and he'd leave and then he'd have to put the bus in reverse and go fix it. So he had to go, how can I stop this as much as possible from happening? Well, one of my favorite things of this era is this was actually that Gilliman invented the commissar. That was a Gilliman move because he realized we needed a way to control. This is all idea of this, we have these regiments who are from planets, but I don't basically

Gilman's people, I don't trust anybody any now. And I don't want, basically, I don't want to put the different planet regiments together because if one of them's, you know, got chaos, it'll spread to the other like an infection. But what I will do is put one dude in that regiment whose job is to shoot them in the head when they do it. Yep. Yeah. So they go, Gilman made commissars. Add into my list of reasons I like Gilman, this cool ass model. Now, the beauty of Gillman is that once he did all this, the Imperium started getting its footing.

back. The logistics started working again. Food was flowing. Weaponry was flowing. Everything was moving. So Gilliman began to kind of look outward now while his, and looking outward also included looking at the wake of a Lehman, Russ, and lion of just pure destruction behind them. The biggest thing about this is I'm going to give him a little fall on this because Gilliman started doing good shit. Really good stuff. But he's the person. that's holding everything together, when you're the person holding everything together, maybe you don't beam down with the away team.

Yeah, he's still, he's still a prime mark. So Gilliman at this moment realizes the Imperium needs more food, more raw materials, more troops. So he grabs, to Brad's point, his legion, which is now multiple legions, but there's multiple chapters, the Navy and the Guard, and starts heading out to start reclaiming worlds and the traitor,

not doing what he should have done, which is order it from behind, he led from the front. And it started off pretty well. The Apparium is holding on by strings, and they are the strings held by G, man. Yeah. I'm sorry, he's a ultra genius. And this doesn't, it starts off pretty well, and then Ed's pretty badly. So the first one he runs into is Alpha Legion. We talked about this last week.

It's called Escrow. Eskradore. And the Alpha Legion were attacking ultramarines there to try and gain control of the right side of the galaxy. Gilliman leads them himself. And this is actually kind of a cool story about Gilliman. So Alfarious or Omigran, whichever one was alive at this point, no one knows, set a trap. And the trap was based around he knew how Gilliman functioned. And he planned, well, the ultramarines are only going to do, they're going to follow the book.

and this is how they're going to attack. And when they attack this way, we're going to get them. And Gilliman actually came around the backside in an Alpha Strike squad team and just took them out, took Alfaris out at their headquarters. And as we said last time, killed Alfarious. So, Gilman, pretty tactical. But then there was Thessala,

which is when Gilliman decided to take one-on-one Folgram. If you could hear the marbles shaking in my head right now. this was such a bad idea. Again, he brought a tiny forest off. Yeah, the story's good, so I don't want to split people who want to read it, but Gilliman falls for a trap, for lack of a better phrase, with Fulgram. A bad, bad trap.

Yeah, and Fulgram. Like an obvious trap. And in the end, Fulgram, who, again, Gilliman is a prime arc, so he's a large man, like three meters, probably, you know, a ton, ten and a half. Fulgram's two to three times that size, with twice the arm. arms, half the legs, but all the wings. And a giant demon blade. So he uses a demon blade and he ends up slitting Gilliman's throat with it, at which point the ultramarines see this, grab Gilman and his body and take it back with him.

They shove him in a stasis pod, and they shove the stasis pod in McCraig. And for 10,000 years, he's in a stasis pod. He just hangs out there. That was the end of Gilliman's story until 2007. Or so, it might have been 60. Weirdly enough, this took a little while, though. Gilliman was putting shit together for a while in the horse hersey. Yeah, but this happened in M32.

Right. That's what I'm saying. The writing's weird because when you read it, you're like, wow, Gillum got a ton of stuff. I mean, to be fair, he's a primarck, says it's the sleep. He got a lot done in a couple hundred years, basically. And then he did a 9,000-year nap. Yep.

And then we had the end of seventh edition, the Gathering Storm Books, and we got G-Man back. A G-Man back. And so we're going to do a pretty good storyline, too. Yeah, we're going to do a whole cast and a storyline. So if you feel like, you know, not satiated by what we're about to do here, neither are we. I want to spend a lot of time on Yanari. I love this story.

So Belisarius Call, St. Celestine, and a few others who were on Katie at its destruction, ended up jumping into the Webway with some new Eldar friends that they've made. While traveling in the Webway, Call was able to perfect a suit of power arm he'd been working on forever. called the armor of fate. And this armor made its wear, impervious to poison. That's what it does, Brett. It's what it does. The regular space marine armor couldn't do this, obviously.

But luckily, this one suit of armor. This places me off so much. I didn't write the book. Someone else did. It actually did additionally have the power of the ember and the warp in and of itself. Let's just say the next part of this story, is longer than I'm about to say. They came out of the Webway on McCraig,

walked up to the temple in which Gilliman's body is being stored in stasis, and tried to just walk into it. Yeah, Martinus Calgar was not super... Yeah, Marnius Calgar was on team. I don't... I'm going to murder you with my double power fists. Also, why are there Zenos there?

Yeah, exactly. Also, there's Eldar. You're not bringing Eldar into my prime work. But eventually they let them do it. And they load... I threw a weirdly short speech, by the way. Yeah, it wasn't. They were like, come on, man.

And he was like, excellent argument. They were with pretty please. And that was enough. Yeah. So they do let him in. They take Gilliman's basically dead body, and they put him in the armor of fate. And instantly, Gilliman wakes up.

And well refreshed, by the way. But he was in a little bit of a mood. he woke up as he wakes up the Black Legion attacks and Gilman puts on his boots of mighty ass kicking. I was just stealing my line. He, dude, he gets up and just goes. This is awesome. Yeah. What?

No. No. And wanders out there and just beats the hell out of this Black Legion invasion. That's not even the cool. I mean, that battle is super cool. however G-man goes, man, I'm assuming after I got, after I was felled, that you continue to do exactly what I was doing in re-forging the Imperium into the enlightened, amazing galaxy-spanning empire that we were going to.

And he looked around McCrack and why is this place shitty? Why? Yeah. And then he basically went, oh, let me download the last 10,000 years of news and just went, yeah, I'm going to beat the shit out of everybody. He effectively, not effectively, he did, downloaded all the goings on the Imperium and just went, I'm going to Terra. Right now. And started going back towards Terra.

At which point, this resurrection of a prime arc, let's just say it wasn't an easy path. He has to get through Magnus, a bloodthurster. Named thurster. Yeah, Cairo's fate weaver. Also, but luckily he did have, and by the way, he murdered that bloodthuster poorly. The Cairois was a little bit closer. He does have a posse of peeps with him. Well, he did have Yvrain, numerous harlequins.

Cipher shows up randomly. Sisters of Silence of Silence, custodes. Four different chapters showed up at some point in time. Yeah, all to help him reach his final destination. He then gets back to Tara. Him and Trajan Valores enter the Emperor's Chamber. And what I put out? Gilliman went into the Emperor's Chamber pretty pissed off.

the emperor apparently does wake up and speaks to them while in there no record of what was said and gilliman and trajan aren't telling but gilliman comes out of the chamber more angry than he went in the chamber comes out and makes himself now the the lord commander of the imperium as well as the imperial regent which is also the dictator of the empire of the imperial Yep. Yeah. There is no one more powerful in the Imperium than Gilliman, not even close. Remember all this stuff he did when he was breaking stuff apart? Well, he just took control of the entire empire. All of it's under me now. And he, this is again, he's a benevolent dictator, though.

He's like the Watchers of the Dark versus Nerglings. I mean, the Lords of Territant. He was benevolent. Yeah. What's your viewpoint on them again? I hate them so much. I was so happy when they tried to turn on him and Trajan. Yeah.

And they just was like, you know, I'll just behead all of you. Boy, he basically did. So not all of them. Not all of them. Yes. True. Not every one of them. They did think they were slick.

Didn't work well. And then no. Yeah, didn't work well. Still, I mean, they also went after Gilliman and Trajan. I mean, they were in a room with Trajan while they tried to turn on it. Yeah. Well, they also thought Trajan was turning on. Gilliam.

Yeah. And then he was like, yeah, that was never happening. Yeah. Yeah. Here's my sword. Actually, my spear sword. But anyway. So Gilliman then tries to write the ship.

So him and Call worked together. They finalized the deployment of the Primaris project. So he just effectively rearms the space Marine force with better troops and weapons. This is a big thing because he also, they make a shit ton of new Marines. Yeah. And a new marine huge. Who are bigger, stronger, and faster. The Indominus Crusade is the biggest.

It might even be bigger on scale. than the original crusades were. Yeah, I'm still mad about because they, you know what, you know what, chaos players, boo you. So this was great. They made the Primaris Marines in 8th edition,

and they had two moons, and every other space Marine had one wound. And the chaos players lost their minds until 9th edition releases, and now they're all the same. And I don't like that. I'm sorry, deal with it. I don't like it.

I think, Primaris Marines, I'm okay with the primaris Marines being bigger, stronger, faster than Chaos Marines and regular Marines. Not than, what are the infected chaos called? Possessed? But, you know, just dude who's been in the warp, whatever. Anyway, the next thing Gilman does is he writes what's called the Codex Imperialis, where the Codex Astardes rewrote the military structure of the Imperium.

The Codex Imperialis rewrote the Imperium itself. And actually, again, guys a master. just killed a lot of bureaucracy and the redundancy that was making the Imperium stagnate. It allowed the Imperium to actually move a lot quicker. He's also trying to work from inside. Yeah. Because he originally, his original

thoughts were, I'll just destroy all of this. And then he gets convinced, hey, it's just too big to devastating. And also there's a lot of good pieces to it. It's just, it's stuff like, he pulled a lot of power away from imperial governors. He started,

with Plexiae, he starts making it so that, you know, your power is derived from what you're doing for the Imperium, which was a much better way to do it. After that, Gilliman declares the first of his crusades, which is the Indominus Crusade, where it's just, he's looking at the galaxy, this is again, post the, this is post-Aidon breaking, Cadia. Rift? Yeah, chaos is running rampant throughout it. And Gelleman just went, no, those are, those are.

are not chaos worlds. Those are Imperium. To set the table for where G-Man, this gives us into modern time, G-Man comes up, the Imperium is not the Imperium that he left. You know what I mean? It is all ultra-religious,

you know what I mean? Which is anti-what-he thought. And it is just layer upon layer of nonsense. And, oh, yeah, a bunch of things he never knew existed are right up on the gates. The only two is also,

the Imperium losing a lot. And under Gilman, you know, the Imperium, like, the difference is before Gilliman took control, the Imperium was basically just a propaganda machine where the, where world's systems would disappear. And the Imperium would be like, oh, yeah, it was a solar flare. Yeah. Or it never existed. Yeah. Exactly. And what happens is that, but the Imperial citizens knew. They knew that the Imperium was maybe not losing, but they were dying. They were. We were getting crushed by the terrorists.

What I'm saying is, I'm not, the citizens may not have known that. But under Gilliman, they began reclaiming worlds. The Imperium started to win again once Gilliman came back. And to me, that's huge. We were getting crushed by chaos. We were getting crushed by the Terenids. We were getting smashed by Necron's because no one would acknowledge they existed. Exactly.

And Gilliman just was like, no, we're going to. And for the first time, imperial citizens see a light. It's a very distant light at the end of the tunnel, but it's a light. This then, of course, takes the back foot to a horrifyingly aggressive invasion of the galaxy. And what's Gilliman do? Nope. He marshals the forces and takes the Imperium to go systematically destroy each and every

tendril, which for those of you who play Space Marine 2, that's the backdrop there. You're doing, you're part of this crusade. Is it Leviathan? This is Leviathan now. Yeah, we're in Leviathan now. This is also while taking out chaos incursions, Jukari raids, Necron Tomb Worlds, whatever the hell the tower up to.

He's putting out fires across the entire galaxy. And effectively, too. He's not just, before he came in, they're being pulled in 50 different directions. Now he's here. And he's like, no, we're still being pulled into 50 different directions, but we're going to win 48 of them. Yeah.

So that's Gelleman. He does have a nice little piece we're going to get to later, is that he's no longer the only prime marks of parting the Imperium, which is a nice change. So a big deal, because not only is he powerful, but he brought a bunch of forces with him. Yeah. And we'll get to them a little bit. But before we do, let's get this out of the way. Lehman Russ, this is Brad's...

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And he does a banana's. job of it. Oh, he's exceptional. If you're looking for someone's ass to get kicked, you do call the space wolves. You do. Are they good at policing, trafficking, bureaucracy? I mean, anything that's not. Leaving a planet that's actually functional afterwards. No. Yeah, no. No. But if you just want a W? You get the W. Yeah. I mean, Lehman was very happy to give Gilliman the reins of the

of the Imperium until he got his telegram. I mean, well, he sent one back, but it was just a picture of his butt sitting on the fax machine. Yeah, exactly. He gets a telegram of, hey, I'm breaking up the legions. This is the Codex of Starters. You have to follow it. And Lehman did not. Lehman very politely said, no thank you, sir.

Yeah, very politely. Very politely. Pinkies up, said it, as he's holding his monocle. Yeah. I mean, there was actually some interesting reasons behind that, namely, that you cannot draw space wolves from any planet other than Fenris. It doesn't work very well. Also, you can't do the bananas kind of ship that the space wolves do without a lot of support.

Yeah. So Lehman at this stage is pretty singular in purpose and thought. And that was tracking down every single one of his fallen brothers and bringing them to justice. The problem that Lehman ran into, though, with that was that they were all inside the eye of terror. and his Legion said, we can't go into the eye of tear. That's the immaterial. You can't go there.

So Lehman, this is actually part of it. This is Caird. Yeah. Lehman throws a giant party in one of the great halls. Yeah. Gets bonkers nuts. And effectively just goes, deuses, bros.

I'm going to go beat up the eye of terror by myself. Which he did. Yeah. And then he just, in my mind, he also just doesn't, he ignores the laws of physics and was like, the map says it's like super close. I'll just walk there. Yeah.

Because it doesn't say how he got there. No, it just went to the eyes there. They did a, he had a big party and he went out for milk and cigarettes and ever showed and never came back. He did not come back. Yeah. And so this,

that's it. 13th Legion went after him. Yep. As the space wolves do still, all right, this is, I do find this stupid. And I'm just going to go out.

So there's something called a great. hunt, in which case the space wolves get together and go on a hunt to go track down their prime marks somewhere in the galaxy for no reason. Yeah. Well, the only thing that pisses me off is like the whole lore was when the 13th Legion came back, Russ was going to be with him. Yeah. The wolf in and everybody else came back and we don't have Russ.

We got Russ last year. Actually, she got at Russ two years ago. What I will say is that the expectation is that Russ is not dead because if he were to die, you'd see it in the space wolves. They'd feel it. This is like a combination. Yeah, he's not dead. But where he is, it's probably somewhere in the warp and we get the Korax,

you'll discover that may not be a good thing. Also, again, we know the time works wildly different, so he might think that he left last night. True. All right, let's do a quick one. Sanguineas, also very dead. Ultra dead. Yeah. I mean...

Space Jesus. Yeah. We'll do a Blaine Nose cast. I don't have much else to say about Sanguinius. He is so wild the O.P. Well, no, he is not. He was. Sorry. Was. But he is.

I mean, at the time, he was the best, the fairest. He has angel wings. He was like a rock star. Gilliman. Gilliman was laughably popular compared to sanguineness. I just put to do it real quick. Gilliman. Actually, the lion's close.

No. Really? A lot of this. Oh, you're right, because sanguels can fly. You're right, the good point. Yeah. Well, also, the fact is the lion's a bummer. Yeah, it's true.

Sanguinness is the person that you put up to talk to ever. I fell asleep the first time I read the lions. Yeah, the original, whatever the horse heresy book was, like, this is, this is like, this is like you're sparring. Yeah. He's just, he's very grim. There's a reason that there's special rules called grim demeanor. Yeah.

And, well, the Legion got blasted and it has been, they've been suffering from the rage, the black rage since. So like him being dead was a big deal. He was O.P. He was ridiculous. And now he's not anymore. So let's talk about someone a bit more fun to me, Korax, also known as how Brad was able to infiltrate Centurion dreadnoughts. Yep.

Ravenguard. The best part about this is they just refuse to accept that he's an invisible demon prince. No, they accept it. It's in the book. So let's get there. Yeah, the Legion doesn't. They don't know about it. I mean, people know. There's a lot of people. This isn't like a super secret.

Like, no one refuses to acknowledge it. This is if you had Bigfoot sitting next to you and you went, I don't think I'm going to take a picture of this. He's playing PlayStation right now in my basement. That's what I'd say. So let's dive into this. So after Istfan 5, Korax and the Raven Guard are barely functioning.

I mean, the term that comes in mind is they were decimated, but it's actually the inverse where nine out of ten are dead. It's even worse. Look, what, they have, 50? Yeah, it was nothing. It was a, it was a stupid of hands. Nobody. So, but this is, the reason I bring this story up is that this is a really weird piece of the emperor.

The emperor actually got involved with Korax of the Ravenguard in a positive way, which is not something he does. He actually took a portion of a consciousness, the emperor, away from the Magnus destroyed Webway, the Astronomicon and whatever else he was working on to actually talk to Korax directly and he told Korax to help rebuild his Legion all of his Primark stuff was just was still functional

and just sitting in the lapar. It's like any dad has like a shed that's full of like stuff he doesn't need anymore but doesn't want to throw away except like the emperor's thing is how to fuse warp with living beings. And I've got a little bit advanced. And I've got a collection of power cords

the things I don't own anymore. So you know, 6'1 have to doesn't know the other. So the emperor tells Corax where he can find the project, how to reactivate it. However, classic emperor, he also tells him the place is a very, has a very complicated and advanced guard system in front of it. And he doesn't have the time to turn it off. So Corax is going to have to do this. So blah, blah, blah, blah, trials and tribulations. In my mind, though, as he completes all this, the emperor, looks in his pocket and goes, oh, I had like just a beeper here. Yeah, you should

press this button. Yeah, he just disarm the system. The most powerful second being in the galaxy, what couldn't have just used his mind to say, oh, if Korax shows up, let him in. Instead, Corex has to like, you know, do cartwheels through laser. The laser stuff. Yeah, to get all this stuff in, like, oh, I've got it.

But anyway, Corex does this and then returns back to his home planet of deliverance, which I'm assuming is not named after the movie. And the cool thing about this, what he's got is with the Primark project, it's no longer organ implantation. He could actually vat grow an entire marine.

This is, I love this, but I hate this at the same time, because why were they doing this the whole time? He makes like a Delegion, like, now. I know. You're like, the same with the Grey Knights, who are imbued with the Emperor instead of being imbued with chaos entities. Like, who knew? Or just whatever the...

He pumps out Marines at a hundred percent rate. This part's cool, though. So they take this and they decide they make 500 new Marines. But, and we've mentioned Alpha Legion in the past, Alpha Legion had this ability to infiltrate and they play a long game. The Alpha Legion actually infiltrated some of the original Marines who survived Yist Fon 5 were actually Alpha Legion, who are posing as Ray. So the Alpha Legion, so they play a long game. And what they did was they actually tainted the genomes of the Ravenguard being used in this experiment with a mutation that was made from demon blood, which just seems like a bit excessive, but whatever. And what comes out of this are these 500 space marines are horrifically mutated. They've got horns. They've got wings. They've got fangs. They can actually spit acid. Just kidding. They can't do that. No space marine can't.

And these, they're horrifying mutations. Now, I will say they end up actually keeping them, though. Yeah, and their chapter master's cool as hell, and I played him. Yeah. And, you know, they become the Raptor squads. That's what I brought. Yeah, if you want to build a really cool army, build a Ravenguard Raptor squads. I mean, technically Corex did kill them all.

Also, I'm told they're green. Are they green? Yeah. man, if you want, no, do you? But with these 500 mutated space marines, Korax decides to just blow the project up. Which, this is the part that I didn't like, because it clearly got sabotaged.

Just do it again, man. And don't have in, how about this? Have somebody test for demon blood? You and your ideas. Better is to give up and not try again. And so what happens is, happens is that Corax and his Legion begins working to slowly but steadily build the Legion up piece after piece the old way. So finding recruits, doing organ implantation, it's going to take.

And this takes thousands of years to get back to where they were. He gets so emo because of this. Yeah. Now, Corex was always. He was always the emo. He was always, yeah, he was the good emo. I'm still going with the Smith. And Curse was the bad emo. You guys can just Google with all they are. No one cares. He actually, the thing is you say the Smiths,

but he kind of looks like a lead singer of the cure. True. Eventually, Corax's depression gets so bad that he just locks himself in a castle for a year. And then after,

lock himself in the castle, just walks out. It gives John's favorite last line. He just says, Nevermore. But has quote the Raven. Because he's the Raven. Boo.

It's not clever, GW. That's lame. That's just lame. This should have been the end of his story, but then we get actually awesomeness. It goes super awesome. Yeah. Because Corex, who already was,

I mean, out of the Primax was by far the ultimate stealth ninja. And then he gets juiced up by the warp. Well, you're jumping head. You're jumping. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm not. You're jumping ahead.

You're jumping because let's set the stage first before you jumping at up. Before we even went there, he was. Come on, he was still. Well, no one heard from him. That's what. No one has heard from him forever. I'm saying before he even went into the war, he's. Oh, I see.

But yeah, so the Ravenguard, you're right. The Ravenguard are masters of fighting from the shadows. But anyway, the word bears are, as we talked to the last one, they are reclaiming territory and they're growing within the warp. And one of the word bearer, like, I don't care leaders, was building a giant complex to honor Lorgar. Then all of a sudden, all of the word bear Astardis just started being found killed. And not like, like, oh, he's dead.

Like, he's ripped to pieces. He was doing predator stuff. He was pulling out spines, taking trophies. He was just doing crazy shit. So there's a dark apostle who's overseeing a lot of this. And while standing there discovers that the shadow. themselves are rising up to kill them. So, yeah, he kind of runs away.

And while running away from this death shadow, he calls out to Lorgar for help. And as we said, at this stage, Lorgar is a full-fledged demon prince of chaos. And Lorgar, in classic Lorgar fashion. Still 50% discount. Yeah, he still can't fight. So Lorgar shows up as a demon prince ready to kick ass and take names. and the shadow in front of him, he realizes, is Corex, which is cool. The second part is what's way cooler about it, which is that Korax, after years upon years,

actually thousands upon thousand years in the warp, the imiterium stripped away what they described as basically the appearance of humanity that the emperor put on them. This is the first time they ever call out what a Primark really is. A primark is warp made manifest. their demons. In physical form. Yeah, the emperor made. He effectively took warped.

Or actually more chaos gods. Well, it's more. Kind of. He effectively what he did is he took imperatium, the warp, and he encased it in flesh. And what happened? So Korax, in the other hand, has been in the immaterium so long that all the material around him has melted away. Well, it's also, you remember, the immaterial, the warp essence itself is about thought.

he became what his inner being was. Exactly. And so, needless to say, Lorgar, who's all proud of himself for finally being promoted a demon prince, is fighting a wildly a god, basically, a god. And Korax beats him silly. And Lorgar pulls a Sir Robin and bravely runs away

and actually dives behind an obsidian door. And this is actually one of my favorites lines. Corax then yells through the door that I have your scent now. And if it takes me a thousand years, I will find you and kill you. I'll never stop. I'll never stop. And Lorgar properly runs away. And hides and just says no.

And Corax is there to this day. Yeah. He's somewhere in the war. He's the warp of boogeyman for all the chaos guys. Because he's, Corax is doing a reunion tour of death going, hey man. I'm selling death. You want some? Too bad if you said no, because I'm coming in. After Corex, let's move on to who I refer to as the most forgettable prime arc.

You do hate him. He's useless. Check it like on. I'm not trying to be a dick, guys. There's nothing on him. There are no, basically no books. He plays no role in Modern 40K at all. In the horror series, he did some stuff. Yeah, modern 40K.

This is the worst part is that he has, he knows, he doesn't, he doesn't even die or anything. He's just gone. Yeah. I mean, so ready? People are going to be like, what are you talking about? Watch this. So he was from a planet called Chigorian.

Post Horace heresy, they go on the scouring. While on the scouring, Khan and his buddies are beating up chaos. They find out that his home planet of Chigorian had been attacked by the Zhukari. He goes back. The Drukari raid, tens of thousands of citizens are gone. And we're taking to the dark realm. Jagadai gets upset and declares that he will eventually. his people. He vowed.

Vowed. And he jumps into the maelstrom. Yep, there you go. The end. He's in the dark city. Maybe. Somewhere. That's the joke. And so all we have right now are jokes that he's somewhere in the webway. Because he went into the webway to track down the arc on that raided his home world. But he's never come back. It's been 10,000 years. And so the joke is that he got there, found the arenas. And just hung out. And the hung out. This is awesome. And now he's just living there with just, you know, married to some, like, you know, witch.

Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing there. That's it. That's it. That's con. Sorry. He had some cool defense, though.

Sure. He was in terror. He was there. He was totally part of the lore. Then someone went, I don't think, write in this anymore. And then he basically wrote him out of the books. Let's talk about my boy. Let's do Vulcan.

All right. Much much. So just like Liam and Russ, at the end of heresy, Vulcan. also disappeared. Yes, but he gave a bunch of cryptic. The difference is everyone knows Lehman went into the warp. Well, Vulcan did have a tough time.

Old Conrad did torture and kill him every day. Multiple times today. Yeah, like a lot. For a while. But anyway, but Vulcan disappears. However, before he left, he told his Legion that in times of great need, he would reappear. And he did.

Oh, oh, did he. So War of the Beast, this is maybe one of the most badass, badasses of all the Imperium in this battle. So the world is called Caldera, it's during the War of the Beast, is under invasion by orcs. And Caldera has no space marines. It has no sisters. It just has Imperial Guard, not even a lot of them.

However, Caldera has a history during, I think it was the heresy. It was a great crusade. Great crusade. Yeah. Vulcan destroyed Calderas. He blasted the planet. And here's the thing about the salamanders. The salamanders are close to the good guys you're going to get because they actually give a shit about collateral damage.

They're effectively a shits on a paladins. Yeah. And he held a vow that he was always going to protect this planet. And he did. This planet is under complete assault from the orcs. And out of nowhere, Vulcan appears with his thunder. hammer. He appears like Infinity War with Thorish.

Well, this is awesome. Yes. So he's got his thunder hammer and just starts killing orcs, thousands of orcs at time until eventually the orcs overwhelm him, kill him, at which point he insta regenerates, got back up, picked up his hammer, and went back to killing. He single-handedly stopped a full orc invasion. Because he's a badass. Yeah.

He's also by far the biggest of the primers. Yes. Then he, well, my favorite part about. this is then the bigger problem with caldera is that there's actually a gravity generator that orcs built to turn it into into basically an attack moon so he just walks into the gravity generator it smashes it with his hammer blows it up blows himself up and then gets regenerated back to life and then he just walked away yeah it all ends though with it's still the war of the beast and there is you know a beast vulcan goes to ulinar now

called Armageddon, actually soon to be called. It's a formerly called Armageddon. They've moved it or the other way around. He's in whatever way it is. I lose track of at which point what it's called. It's the same planet. There, he joins a bunch of space marines to go hunt down and kill the beast. They walk into the final complex and the beast turns out to be a 10 meter high orc war boss,

to which Vulcan turns to the other space marines and says, yeah, you guys can bogey out. I got this. He's like, I'll take the big guy. Yeah. And they all do, and he does. Vulcan smashes the beast with his thunderhammer. Well, he got juice, he effectively sucked all the energy out of the generator. Yeah, and then slams him into a generator and blows up the generator and Vulcan and the beast.

Which also, when we say power generator, it was more like nuclear reactor. Yeah. I mean, this is, and so this again kills Vulcan, but we know he's not dead. Vulcans do to come back at any time. Just whenever he's in most need. And you also have to go into it a little bit. There's been multiple, I'll get yelled at for this because it's, there is the one canon thing, but I don't believe it completely.

You got to remember about how sane Vulcan is because Vulcans had some horrific deaths. And obviously with the Nighthunter, he had all. I mean, Vulcan has died thousands of times. Right. Thousands. And it's a big deal on this. And then we've got Coral Engine stuff. You know what I mean?

When Angron blew that up, they could have affected the Salamander Legion. So where Vulcan is, he's alive, but I don't exactly know. That's the difference. Whereas the con, the core axis is never coming back. He is a warp entity now. Yeah. Well, he's just, he's the, he's a lore now.

Yeah. Lehman. He's, sorry, he's, you know, he's the, there's the ballad of Corex. Yeah. Lehman is a maybe. I think Vulcan is the most likely, the easiest one. for them to bring back. Yeah, because they have the whole thing when they get all the artifacts of Vulcan

that he will just be ready to go. So where is he? Somewhere. Somewhere. He's alive for sure. That's enough about lame prime arcs. Let's have some fun. Let's talk about Rogel.

We'll be right back after a quick break. Rogel loved two things in this world, building a fort and building a bigger fort while being grumpy and being not fun ever he's never fun but that being said after the siege of terra rogol took that pretty hard well it's that it's that and then being wildly tricked and having to be saved yeah by his brothers after perturabo got the upper hand on him well yeah i was quick after that but even before that it was saying before that rogol i mean the issue with rogill is let's go through the rogill failings First off, Horace and the fleet enter the galaxy successfully. Also smoke fest all those defenses.

Yeah. Then they blow up the Luna thing. Yeah. Well, he also said that they weren't going to make it past Saturn. Yeah. And they get through Luna. They land. They're outside the imperial gates.

Then the emperor teleports above the vengeful spirit. Rogel's there with him to go up there, but gets lost. It takes too long to get there. Quotes, lost. And then gets too. and then doesn't arrive on the bridge until after Sanguinius is killed and the emperor is basically slain. Yes.

So Rogel's not feeling like this great defender. No, he got zero medals for this. Yeah. Then he has this weird thing. So he decides he tries to meditate and he tries solitude and they're not enough. So he builds himself what they call the pain glove. Which makes no sense. It's just a body suit of mesh.

And when you wear it, it puts your body in an unending, agonizing pain. It's, he basically puts on chain, hook, chain mail armor. Yeah. And just wears it. And he uses this to help himself meditate better and commune. And he decides that some, for whatever reason, that his legion needs to be redeemed, but it can be redeemed, but only through action. This is, effectively, this is the beginning of what would become the Black Templars.

Continue. Oh, yeah. They head out into the galaxy, mostly on an Iron Warrior Aska Kingfest. And as we said, walks brutally into a trap. Like last, just immensely. And again, as Brad was saying earlier, has to be saved by Gilman. So he failed the emperor. He failed the Imperium. And now he also failed himself in killing Petroble and Iron Warriors. So what happens next is just kind of weird, for lack of a better phrase. Dorn, when Gilliman rolls out the Codex of Star Day's

is bent. It gives Gilliman the middle finger. That's what he does. Yep. But after having to get his butt saved by Gilliman again, he just, he goes,

all right, well, whatever. But instead of like 10 chapters, they split into it, they go into three. The Imperial Fist, initially, there's more later.

He gets around this. He uses a bunch of loopholes on this. He's like, I'm going to split the stuff up, but also he considers the black Templars to be a, crusade amongst themselves. That's how we got away with that one.

And the crimson fists? Yeah. The Imperial Fists. He makes the Imperial Fist, the Crimson Fists, and the Black Templars. One of those three seized regular tabletop play. Crimson Fists are actually annoying on the tabletop more because they look a lot like Space Marines or Ultramarines from a distance. And you're like, wait, which one?

Yeah, but they got Pedro. Yeah, no. But that part's cool. I'm saying the color scheme throws me off. I see it. It takes me a second. Yeah, those never buy. me.

I know. You notice it red hands. Anyway, over time, it actually does split further. You do get quite a few additional foundings, but out the gate, he doesn't do the full split. He just does a small split. The part of the Dorn story that's weird is actually his death, mostly just how inconsequential it is. There's nothing battle.

Yeah. Dorn is just leading his fists in the battle near the eye of terror. Avedon shows up with his fleet. Dorn and his guy. jump aboard Abadon's main ship, and that wasn't a good decision. He dies. Yeah, how he dies? No record, but somehow while he was dying, someone cut his hand off or all it was left

with his hand, and they took it back, and now the, they were always called the Imperial Fists. Now they have the fist of their prime mark. Also, it doesn't say how he got killed. Somebody tell me I'm wrong with this. He's just... He just gets killed. Yeah. They just, they have no rhyme, no reason.

He just doesn't make it. Yeah. And that's it. That's the story. I wish I had more. Yeah. I'm not that mad. Screwed.

Yeah, no. It's just a weird thing. It's like, oh, it's this, this. And then, oh, yeah, he's dead now. Well, they didn't even make it an epic fight. Like, one thing the dude did do was kick ass. Yeah. And he died in a mysterious random raid.

Yeah. For nothing. For no reason. Yeah. No value at all. Just none. All right, but let's close on a high note. The lion.

So the newest and the greatest primark lore, I would argue. So in a dark- His book's badass. His return book? No, when he does the whole walks. Oh, no, it's fine. The forest walks and stone. I like that it just, I like anything that pushes the story forward.

I do like that. No, you like 80s action movies. Cool that, too. And that's what this is. I mean, 100% of it. He took the fall. and made them arisen. It's like 30% montage.

I mean, he does gather up the band. Like, I'm actually, like, that book should come with, like, a soundtrack. Just like a soundtrack. Just play behind you of, yeah, just pure montage music over and over again. It is great because. Like the 18 music, just playing over and over again. He collects everybody to get back. We'll get it.

We'll get there. All right. Let's go with it. So we cover the Dark Angels cast a quick. recap. End of the heresy, the lion went on a rampage. And I mean, hardcore rampage. If you're chaos, I think it's worse if you saw the lion than Lehman. Oh, the lion was just bent. Yeah. Like, I don't like anyone who, anyone who's even like smiled at someone in Texas is, is taking a beating today. So, but before the heresy kind of really got going,

his home world of Caliban got totally engulfed in a warp storm. At some point during the scouring, I remember now about I remember exactly when, the warstorm just dissipates. And so the dark angels, who haven't been home in hundreds of years, rush back to Caliban to go check on it. And as soon as they get into orbit around Caliban,

they get attacked from the surface of Caliban. So the lion and the dark angels go on another, you know, butt-kicking crusade, and discover that Luther, who's the lion's adoptive older brother, basically, had turned to chaos. Of course he did. He just had tried to kill, not just at the time.

When he sent him home, the lion had sent, because he tried to kill him, and for whatever reason, he sent him home. Yeah, we went over this. I'm not back into my hatred of the Luther writing. But anyway,

the lion confronts Luther, just the dark angels, fleet bombards the planet and the planet gets broken into pieces and the lion is nowhere to be found. They found Luther Yeah. The reason behind this is that as the planet was breaking apart

the watchers in the dark who are effectively good demons nerdlings. Yeah, they're little nerglings. Grabbed his body and took it to a pocket dimension. In the middle of the planet. Yeah. But it's in the middle of the planet. It's like... It's in the middle of the planet. It's like... It goes with the planet.

Yeah, and they're not. They're in the middle of the planet. Yeah. And they shove the lion's body into a stasis and that way his body and his soul can heal and then be vitalized and actually improved by the planet itself the same time the legion is now split between dark angels and the traitors are known as a fallen this is something that only the dark angels and the emperor know by the way and not even all the dark angels only the inner circle in a circle yep so for the last 10,000 years the dark angels have been doing whatever the imperium needs of them while also hunting down, well also, yeah.

Yeah, I think it's more also doing what the emperor needs to do because their main thing is smoking the fallen. But they're doing it largely because they're trying to hide their horrible story. I mean, they're the only, technically, they're the only surviving Trader Legion in that regard. Now, fun thing about the fallen that's important, it comes up a lot now. They're not like the Chaos Marines and the other legions

because the lion never gave his soul or the soul, his legion over to a chaos god 100%. And one of the bigger things is a lot of the fallen are only the fallen because they happen to be standing next to the people that betrayed. Right. Because they didn't know. Like half these guys were, we did this in our cast. Yeah. We're just dudes on patrol and then the planet started getting bombed and- Yeah, there were dudes on patrol who were loyal to the dark angels. Luther was the head of the dark angels for them. So therefore, whatever, what am I supposed to know? So some of the fallen obviously have embraced chaos and turned evil.

Others are like independent operators. They're basically pirates, like the outcast Eldar. But there's a bunch of them who I like more in the story who are actually out there. They're actually still loyalists and they're trying to attain for their fall. And they've been searching for a redemption. So now we move to, I don't know, middle of 20, 23. And the lion wakes up. Yeah, the lion wakes up.

And sort of it's fantasy novel style. by Brad likes it. I do love my, I love tropes. I do, though. I'm so lame. I am pumpkin spice latte. I am the basic of Brad's.

I hate this so much. So anyway, so he wakes up. He has, of course, no idea where he is, who he is, any memories whatsoever. So he just wanders around.

And while wandering... Into the mist, thank you very much. Remember, it's the mist near the water. Get it straight. I'm so dumb. Because it looks like his home, his original, you know, where he was home.

Yeah, it's like the old VGA video games I played where now he eventually runs into a member of the fallen, who's one of the good members of the fallen. And upon talking to them, all of the lines' memories returned. No, you got to remember it also that he's got, he's corrupted by the false emperor.

And he meets the spirit of the emperor, maybe? Yeah. This is just, it's such a lame journey. I'm sorry, I know you do. Brad's like twirling back. and forth in the chair and smiling and I'm just here like this is so lame but anyway it's like oh it gave me the his book gave me the feel like the original 80s ex caliber I know that's that's what it was

it wasn't the original it's like it's the the book gave you the feel of the complete rip-off of 80s caliber that it was yeah it's just but I I like the lion coming back oh no I I love the line coming back and then what they did with him next was kind of funny so the lion discovers he's got like a new ability. And that ability is galaxy-wide teleportation. For sleep. Yeah. So he's got, he's 10,000 years, he's actually living now, well, he was the whole time as a place they're calling Mirror Caliban, because they got lazy in writing. He was in the upside down. Yeah. The Lion can go in and out of this Mirror Caliban whenever he wants. And once he's in the mirror, in Mirror Caliban, mirror, by the way, isn't the thing that gives you reflection? And it my

pronunciations can be something's a little bit difficult in these things if he's sitting in in mirror caliban all he has to do is focus on where he wants to be and he can get there and so but what makes this really powerful though it's not just him that can go he can bring people with him so stargate or no yeah it's like it's like the doctor strange yeah he can well he has to go back in and then back out kind of yeah so that's that's how he's able to jump they don't exactly tell you how many he can take with him yeah so the first thing the lion does though, is he starts to reclaim his Legion and reunify it. And he renames the fallen, the risen.

Not all of the fallen, by the way, just the ones who are still loyal. I mean, it's a big deal on this. He has one of the best lines, though, because when he tells the guy, you know, how do you know that I'll be the risen? He says, you still have your head on your shoulders. Because the lion apparently also now has kind of judgment gaze to find out if you're guilty or not. Yeah.

And if you're, if you're loyal, he knows. If you're a traitor, you're going to know. We talked about this when we did that cast. The interrogated chapters exist. So he starts teleporting all around the galaxy, building up his retinue. I got yelled at for this. I'm not yelled at. I got properly corrected.

43 years of age. It was pronouncing a word wrong the whole time. What were you even saying? Retune. How do you mess that word? I don't know. Ah, continue. Anyway, retinue, retinue, whatever.

All right. So to aid these risen and the redemption, arcs, he's helping them battle the forces of chaos. And they progress exactly as you'd expect in the Excalibur ripoff. The lion does a bunch of

great things, but then he gets overwhelmed. And just before the bad guy start to monologue and talk about how easy he was to defeat and blah, blah, blah. And then his risen compatriarchs are able to step up and save him at the last second.

thereby showing not only their loyalty, but also their value. I mean, look, they're not that bad, but I just, there's just levels to trope that I just struggle with. Embrace the trope, John. Embrace. While back, he then, of course, has another little mini quest where he goes back to Mirror Caliban and discovers that somewhere in this incredible realm, sorry, actually, I do dislike this. Now that I hear my tone, I do dislike this. Really? Yeah.

Wasn't picking that up at all, buddy. Jesus. And there's a special sword and shield hidden somewhere, and he has to go find it. And he goes, and he finds the power sword called fealty and a shield named the Emperor's Shield. Which both looks super badass on this model. Oh, the model's awesome. The model is absolutely awesome. And these two, they're just like, by the way, every Primark has a special sword and either shield or something else.

But anyway, that's that. The problem is that the lion isn't done yet from a GW writings tape because GW has to sell models. It has to save the day. And they released an Angron and a lion back to back. So we have to do something about this. Angron is kind of on a tear. And just as Angron is about to kill Dante from the Blood Angels, the lion shows up literally out of nowhere. Yeah.

And Angron just like, why are you here? With all those shit ton of dudes. Yeah. And Gron and the lion get into it. And I will say Angron is four or five times the size of the lion. He's also 0.84 and one versus boss battles. Yeah. Other way around.

One and 84. Angron. Oh, I gave him an O. Oh. I gave one draw. Oh, 884 and one. Yeah, good point. There it is.

Needless to say, the lion beats the crap out of Angron. He stabs with his power sword, slant, breaks his face. his face, breaks his face with his shield, and then cuts his head off, although he does come back eight weeks, eight days, and eight hours later. So whatever. After this, the lion does discover that he still has a brother alive in the galaxy, and it's Gilliman, to which his response is, oh, great, Gilliman. Also, remember how he said, oh, Bobby G. was not super excited about the state of the Imperium, the lion does not handle it as gracefully as, as no. Bobby G. decides to go back to the Terra and take control and reorganize it. The lion decides to go planet to planet. He is bent.

Yeah. He's like, I'm going to do a world tour of ass kicking. Yeah. And the stories are funny where he would like, he arrives on a planet and the imperial governor comes out to greet him and he just basically shoves him to the side. and just keeps walking to go find the people and rise the people up and give them a relevant speech. He's also got his new, I do like whatever his judgment gaze is. Oh, that's cool as hell, yeah. He has the whole, like, ability to see evil now. Yeah, that's what he's doing. He's going to these planets and mean, he's going to the place to hunt down.

He's an inquisitor is actually the best way to look at it, but like the most probably. The most part of it goes ever. Yeah. So that's kind of where he is now. We've got. We haven't moved the writing. That's the latest thing to happen. Yeah, just to recap for the loyalist primarks,

Gilliman is running the Imperium. Every other prime mark except for the lion is missing or dead. Yep. And the lion just got back, and he's kind of doing his own thing, hunting down chaos. I hope they push that. I know we're trying to say we're, but I want more of him. I'd like to see Lehman come back or either one.

Levin or Volker. I think, I just like, I expect it to be Lehman. Lion's going to do his thing. but the lion's always done his thing. Yeah. G-Man is just the guy in charge. And then I'd like to see Vulcan go on either a Holy Crusade or Lehman just go on. I mean, by the time.

A Thunderdome. By the time a lot of you will actually listen to this, truthfully, will know this one. But I'm kind of, I understand that they're going to release Emperor's children, which means we're probably going to get a fulgram. For sure. But I don't really love the idea of having a four to two ratio of chaos prime arcs to But you could really help the story, though, with either Lehman or Vulcan. More with Lehman.

Yeah. I mean, the truth is Vulcan is interesting. The problem with the Vulcan is like... Lehman's like super popular, too. Well, it's also Vulcan's a weird model because it's like, so in a two-plus, he just basically a cell, it's a St. Celestine type thing where he's come back to life. Well, he's also like, how do you model him? He's huge.

Yeah. So like he almost looks at Demon Primark status at that point. He's so much bigger than that. Well, that's always, I always forget he was the large of the primarks. Yeah. I forgot about that. But he's, he's way bigger than everybody else. what's what they do with the custodes and make them the exact same size as everything else?

That would be so annoying. All right. But anyway, as you guys know, that's the end of this cast. So next week, we're going to, you know, do the most requested, at least for me, series of casts, the Tao. I love your preparation for this, by the way. So I haven't read a single thing on the towel, but I did watch Hot Fuzz. So I'm ready for the greater good. I've just begun.

it actually and discovered the X-com rip-off that that's very evident in the middle, in the very first code. Well, I did tell you about this. Yeah. And you said that at lunch. Yeah, we're at lunch. And Brad, we're walking through the Atherials. And I was just like, so the Atherials from X-com and Brad didn't really play a lot of

X-com as, nor did it as much as I did. And yeah. So get ready, Tau players. This is going to be fun. I got your back, guys. Brad does like your army. that makes one of us. Do I do an entire episode in the Shield Drone?

Just how much I hate Shield Drums. Just 55 straight minutes. Of just rage. Yeah. Just make weird sounds in the microphone. Of just Shield drones on the bottom floor with a rip tied on the top floor. So it's, yeah, yeah. Oh, man, that makes me mad thinking of it.

No, no. Never forget, never forgive. No. It was the worst thing I've ever. ever seen. It's actually worse than the, was it, is it the iron, no, who was it? The iron hands, iron hands. Iron hands, hands, primaris Marines throwing themselves into the wood shippers. Yes, so that the Leviathan dreadnought wouldn't take a damage. It's annoying. Boom. All right. Anyway, this has been John Barzotti and Bradchester. This guy. See you guys next week.