The 40k Lorecast - Episode 7 - Chaos Always Corrupts,

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

On this episode we conclude our coverage of the actions of the Loyalists and Chaos between the events of Isstvan V and the invsion of Sol. On this episode we will cover: The fall of the Death Guard, Fulgrim being very Slaanesh, Angron becoming the angriest version of himself posssible, Lorgar being Lorgar, and more.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lorecast. Welcome to 40K lorecast with me, John Barcotti and Brad Chester. This guy, I changed it up. There we go. I can't just edit that in and copy and paste every episode. John did say he was going to replace me completely with AI, so I'm trying to change things up occasionally, so I'm not instantly gone. If all of a sudden Brad sounds like an imposter, it's because he couldn't make it one day and I just decided to use an AI for his voice.

True story. On today's episode, we're going to be. to finish our coverage of the events of the Horace Harris that fall between Istvon 5 and the invasion of soul. Today we're really focused on the adage that chaos is inherently chaotic. Sounds lame, but it's a good way to describe it.

But it is because of the fact that right now, if you would look at it from just a planning, if you're on the war map right now, and I'm such a dork about this and I'm thinking about every movie you've ever seen with this. Every video game, when I'm looking at the table. The shuffleboard pushing with this. Yeah. Chaos is set up for a pretty easy win to be perfectly honest with you.

But again, you aligned with the forces of chaos, not the forces of excellent planning. And as much as chaos hates the emperor, who else do they hate, Brad? They hate so much more other chaos. So we're going to discuss that kind of what happens when you let chaos run with chaos. All right, Brad, I think we start off with the Thousand Suns. So is this a tragic story or is this just one that makes you mad? Because, I don't know, maybe the prime arc's a little bit too. Yeah, because Magnus is now a demon prince.

And for those of just a quick recap, they decided to, after just getting their ass beat by the space wolves. To which he gave up. Don't even try. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He did not even, as much as a space wolf homer as I am. Yeah. Lehman Ross beat up a guy that wasn't really trying. Oh, yeah.

This was kind of one of those, it's like, the end of Ali's career fights where you're like, can you stop? Yeah. Please don't let Larry Holmes punch you in the face anymore. Sorry, sport, non-splice. It's fans, but that's a real thing. But it's a real thing. So The Thousand Sons are, Magnus's a Demon Prince, his Legion has given their entire souls to Zinch. We're going to cover this another episode about all is dust and how far this goes. I have to say, there's also a lot of things going on because we had a lot of mutations because in doing that,

Zich, no one literally, if you've ever watched a, I wished for something and it went wrong, Zinch was right there the entire time. For those of you who are maybe newer to this, if you've ever heard the cause of a monkey paw where you know it's a monkey paw wishes that really is zich zich is a monkey paul where he will constantly give you a very literal translation of what you're asking for but will then capitalize on the pieces you're not asking 100% so did he did zich save all the people on prospero yes yes but also he took all their souls and their in their human bodies and they are forever asleep. Yeah, and also he semi-pulled your planet into

the eye of terror, and it's also not in the eye of terror because why not screw with you? Zich isn't real, but I'm just going to tell you guys, if you're going to make a deal with a demon ever, really go to town on your footnotes. Like, make sure on that contract, you have

really screwed up all the footnoticed. You should get Johnny Cochran to help you all. Yeah, this is going to be hard. We've got to make sure we've got all the T's cross and eyes dotted because otherwise... Yeah, you need some looks. You're in from some shit. So the thousand sons have made a shitty deal with the devil right? Yeah.

And Magnus, who still, you know what? Screw you guys. Magnus did nothing wrong. No, he did everything wrong. But you and I disagree on this, it's fine, but I'm just going with. Like, come on now. He's trying. He's trying to be the better guy.

He's trying in the worst ways possible. He consistently does it wrong. He's a little pouty. I mean, he's a lot of pouty. How about that? Yeah. But the Legion is in weirdly disarranged. You've got a big, big, you've got a chasm between Magnus, who is pulled back at this point in time.

Magnus is effectively erecting the tower. Yeah. He basically makes a planet-sized power eventually. But right now, Aramon is trying, full-on, air quotes, trying poorly. and we'll go, we will definitely do another episode of this because I love Aramon, except for the fact that the Harley Quins clowns, see, yeah. But the thing about the Thousand Sons with this is, Aramon's trying to fix the Legion.

Magnus is kind of pouting about the Legion. Yeah. And accepting, coming to terms with the fact that he is now a demon prince. A demon prince. And that is really what's going on is he's on his tower. And weirdly enough, he makes the. tower by just, again, because it's in the warp, he just thinks about a tower. Then he gets a tower.

Exactly. And it comes into being. And the thing is, is that the rest of the Legion, well, eventually they have no choice, but we'll talk about that. But the sorcerers and stuff are very conflicted, but they're just kind of going with Aramon. Well, someone else sold their souls. It's a weird deal to be like, I mean, as we think about it, usually you should sell your

own soul. But with these guys, with the thousand sons, their soul was kind of. sold for them and now they just appear. That's a big thing we've got to go back on because we've talked about a little bit with the primarks in the fact that they're the sons, the Marines are the sons of the sons of each primar, but they're not just the sons. They are psychically connected. They are infused. They're genetically predisposed to follow that person. So not only are they psychically connected, which is why effectively when he signed the dotted line, they got, They were like, hey, man, remember when dad sold our souls?

And apparently I just was also part of this deal. But they kind of also are genetically predisposed to go, oh, well, I guess dad sold my soul. Guess I'm over here now. Yeah. So they have like a lot of confliction on this. And the thing is, is that, to be perfectly honest, there's a ton of dudes lap. The space wolves. That's the problem.

At the point where they pulled the trigger and jumped into the war. They were getting so... Spaswells were just ripped. Prospero is done, done. Yeah, I mean, and so they're kind of in a weird boat where there are... The Thousand Suns are one of those super powerful, I would say,

legions, individually. So even though they're small in number, they can have a lot of effect, but they are very much so small in number. This is also when the cabal started. Yeah. This is when they started breaking down and people that play 40K,

cabals are one of the things that they get is powers. This is the reason that they're really good in the game. But in lore, They started the cabal system. They already had it a little bit, well, I just... Yeah. But they really break down into small groups of sorcerers focused together to increase their power. And the entire Legion becomes these...

Could be, as usual, chaos. If you got together, you could do anything you wanted. But they are definitely not getting together. There is a bunch of disparate cabals inside the thousand sons of different sorcerers. and they are kind of all separate, and they all hate their brother for being slightly more powerful, or slightly better at this.

And, of course, they do the, I just met you at the dinner party, and we're going to pretend that we're not, Epic ain't enemies. Oh, I'm so happy that you know how to do this. And I would say to kind of the theme of the episode is that this is, they are beholden to the god of, I mean, just chaos and deception.

So surprise, surprise. You know, they embrace this constant levels of chaos and deception. So the Thousand Suns, they're in quite a bit of a issue. They've got their prime mark as a little bit lost mentally. They've lost the majority of their legion, and they're trying to just figure out what they are. And by the way, they're stuck with their souls being given over to and living in the warp with the God of deception. And it's not a little bit.

The neighborhood value is not great, right? Yeah, this isn't a great situation. So, and the thing is that I think actually the worst place, and we're going to some of the other legions that have fallen to chaos, is the thousand sons understand their plight more than the other legions do. So you have a lot of people that, a lot of people are in the dark. Something bad is happening. The thousand sons are fully aware of everything that's going down with them. And that's actually kind of a big deal. Right.

Because they know that they're, hey, so I'm eternally damned and under the influence. Also, I'm not going to die either. So I'm just. That's actually, that's a great, I hadn't thought about that's a great point, that everyone else, they feel the corruption of chaos and it's there. But it's probably more the positive. Like, you know, if you're corrupted by Zinche, it's like, ooh, I find this stuff fun, or corn, actually, both of them.

And then Nergel, it just gets a warm feeling as you're. Father Nurgle. As you're just decaying. But you're right. The Thousand Sons actually know. They understand. They're fully alert as to what's going on and their powerlessness to it. They're literally in few.

They're the most powerful they've ever been and the most powerless they've ever been. Philosopher Brad's on that. I don't know. And edit it again. One of the joys I do get is if you guys are, I do the editing of this episode where I get to take. I get to take 10 minutes of Brad's speech and just go, nah, I just remove it. Sometimes out of just joy and spike.

He was making good point here. I'm just going to go ahead. I'm going to remove it because it's just funny. So from them, we'll move on to Death Guard. So Death Guard are actually probably still very much so singular in purpose. They are also Death Guard. Mortarian made real mistakes. Typhus is a huge dick at this point in time.

Typhus fully embraced everything about the plague. and became the arguably, you know, and I'm saying it out there, he is definitely the favorite son of Nergel. Oh, yeah, Typhus is way more interesting than Nergel. Mortarian's angry. Typhus just loves being Nergel. Yes.

Mortarian is literally going, I made some bad deals, and Typhus is like, you made some great deals, and I made more of them while you weren't looking. Well, and I think this is kind of interesting thing. Mortarian's a weird character, because again, like we've discussed before,

he doesn't fall to chaos because he wants to be part of chaos. He actually has hated the emperor for a long time. Oh, since the beginning. But Mortarian's also kind of adult in the sense that, like, he comes over. Kind of? Yeah, well, all right. Sorry, Death Guard guys. Mortarian's an idiot.

Yeah, well, that's true. He's very good at killing, and that's the extent. He is the toughest dude in the universe. Yeah. And a box of rocks. I'm sorry, but man. So he has this interesting epiphany because he tries to convince Jagatikon,

at least once, if not twice, to come over. No, basically he had this moment where, like, no one's with him, except for the guys who were all psychopaths. So then he finally comes to his realization that maybe actually there's him, but chaos is. And, all right, let's go to Terathlian.

God, I hate these names. Terrafillion, to go and figure out, like, hey, what is chaos? What is this thing that I'm kind of moving towards? Because at the point, he hasn't been corrupted yet. He's just, he's on the side of chaos, but Nergel hasn't infused him yet. He goes to this world called Turthelian.

Turthelian is a library world. So it's, you know, hey, if you want to look up answers, go to the library. For those of you under the age of 30, libraries are these things that people like Bradna has to, that you have to go to to look through a card system to find a book to then read the book, I mean, this is, the internet's way better. That's all I'm saying.

But also, the internet is on a planet. Yeah. Also, the library is the planet. It is, that is the sole reason that this planet exists is to catalog knowledge. So he gets there and just decides, for whatever reason, I don't feel like checking out a book at the library. I'm just going to. He's an idiot. Yeah, I'm just going to kill everything.

everyone here, because that's the thing I'm best at. Eventually, he goes for knowledge and murders the people that have the knowledge. That's why I'm saying he's a adult. I know this, unfortunately everyone, I'd read this story and when I actually read this the first time, I actually got mad about it.

A guy goes on a quest of fine knowledge. You know what? As a D&D guy, this is like me running a campaign and my players killing every NBC they meet as they try to give them information. this is what type is.

Before they give the information. Before they give the information, he kills them all. So eventually what? Immortarian finds the one woman who's actually come to be a demon and brings her back to his ship. The woman standing on the X with an

anvil. It literally looney tunes trap. And he goes, this is not a trap. It says trap. There's an X on it. I'm refusing to accept it's a trap. Of course, takes her to his flagship. Doesn't interrogate her at the library?

Just brings her right back to his house. Why not? That's where you would do it. He actually interrogates her in his route. Yeah, exactly. And she informs him that he has been claimed by Nurgle, which, and again, again, for Mortarian, this is also, this is really bad news because Mortarian, you have to, I mean, let's jump back a little bit. So the Primarks are all as babies in incubators are sent all over the galaxy. So Martarian awakens on a poison world. So this is who he thinks he is. With literally tyrants that live where you're not allowed to go because you'll die.

Because you'll die. And that's where he grows up to. He thinks he's one of them. Then after the emperor arrives, an emperor tells him, no, you're actually part of me. And now he's being told, no, actually he's part of Nergo. So he's whole history is everybody that's interacted with him also, gives him no choice because the emperor goes, oh, you remember the guys that you defeated? Oh, I don't care. And he leaves and just goes, it'll probably not go back to the exact same way that it was before you left. It in 100% went back to the same way.

And so the thing about Moratarian is that as you read stories about Mortarine, you're always, the one thing Mortarne really hates is a lack of choice. He likes to feel, he wants to feel like he's in control of his death. And this is actually a theme amongst other prime marks as well. Obviously, Conrad Cruz is a big part of this. You know, I think even sanguineus, a bunch of these guys do have these elements where they want to feel that they have free will. Yeah, free will. And Mortarian discovers he doesn't.

And an interesting thing happens. Mortarian, another little side-known to him is, it's not a huge fan of psychers. But what is Mortarian, Brad? Super powerful psychers. Yeah, like not quite Magnus, but not too far off. Hates himself pretty bad. Yeah. And then uses Sends Zucker Powers to kill the demon woman.

He explodes this. He doesn't kill her. She blows up. And now, time for Mortarian. I don't know what you want to call it, Mark 4, where he realizes that, hey, this warp thing. He just doubles down out of nowhere. This is actually weird in the lore because he goes from,

I hate all slikers to I'm totally envy in the cyccer. And you're like, what? What happened? You killed those slikers before. Yeah, that was Magnus 2.0. I'm Magnus 3.0. That was why you're going to bring up. That was Mortarian 2.

I'm met Mortarian 3.0. Why are you bringing up old shit? That was yesterday. He's like, exactly. Why are you bringing up old shit? So we were discussing earlier typhus. I think now it's a good time to kind of dive into typhus. The entire time all of this is going on,

typhus has been working backroom deals with Nergel or heralds of Nergel. We don't know if he's talking directly to Nergel. He's talking to avatars, whatever. whatever, Typhus has literally went, I'm all in immediately. Give me power. I will worship you. I will be the herald.

And the whole time, he's all in on screwing over Mortarian, by the way. There's no, like, we talk a lot about how these guys have a love for their prime mark. There are a few guys here and there, though, who do not. At all. Yeah. I mean, I would, I think it's Typhus, Erebus, Eremon, probably later in his career. Aramon later, it just doesn't care. These guys, these guys end up working almost against their property.

Typhus is all in immediately on. And the thing is he's trying to be the prophet, the icon, the avatar. He doesn't care. Like, hey, man, if he says multiple times, effectively, and this isn't all canon, this is a lot of short stories. But, like, effectively, if you give me enough power, I'll stab Mortarian right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Give me the power.

He doesn't want to be your. Haron, your avatar, I will be. And let me be it. So eventually Typhus sees his moment. And his moment is Mortarian turns the fleet towards Earth. And finally, because you realize these stories. Everyone is told pretty early on, hey, get to Earth. Get to Earth.

I'll say, Typhus, sorry, Mortyrian was told to get to Earth immediately. Yeah. Literally don't do anything else. And he goes, when you said don't do anything else, I'm going to do everything else. I'm going to do everything. Yeah, but I have stuff to do. Like a laundry list of shit. And I will defend more Terry here.

Jabba Khan did the exact same thing. So did. There's quite a few of the primers. Oh, you mean all of my least favorite primaries? Every primark went like, yeah. These are all the mid-tier guys that went. Yeah, I should do this, but maybe I should drive aimlessly around the galaxy. What if I just want to run a bunch of errands in the way?

Like, it just seems fun. So, but as they're about to enter the war, typhus, this, decides this is his opportunity. So his plan, and I actually be honest, it's a pretty good one, is he tells everyone that the navigators that they're using it towards Earth are actually all secretly in contact with Malkador. And the only solution here is to kill them all. So without anyone asking a second question,

they kill all of their navigators. So, I don't know, Brad, walk me through, navigating the warp towards Earth without a navigator. Blind seems legit. Yeah, I mean, literally. Sometimes you have a zero in one billion. You have a better chance of winning the lotto twice and getting struck by lightning in your basement while holding the tickets than getting through the warp with no Navvian. And so now they're just in the warp.

And we've discussed before, time the warp is a little bit weird. It can be forever. Yeah, it can be forever. It can be a quarter second. It can be whatever. This is the chance. This is what Nergel does. So while they're just kind of left floating aimlessly in the warp,

Nergel goes, cool, no barriers here. Guess I'm going to go ahead and take all of you. Well, he infects everyone with the worst plague of all time. Yeah. And as he's infecting everyone, I don't know, maybe someone makes another. Remember when we said get Johnny Cocker, get a goddamn lawyer? Yeah. When you say, if you can make me the same.

stop, I will follow you. You shouldn't sign on the dotted line when the answer was you won't die. Look for more details. Yeah. So this is where Mortarian finally gives in. This plague is

eating his legion. But it's eating his legion. It's alive, but it's horrid because it won't kill you. You just have suffering. And we've been in the war. Not that long, but it feels like centuries. They're just slowly being eaten, and Nergel is constantly coming to Mortarian, because just like with Magnus, it does still run Primark down.

While some soldiers can get themselves over to Nurgel, that's not what Nurgel wants. Nergel wants the whole legion. So, Mortarion is just being berated by Nergel. Like, just come to me, join me, and I will make this stock. I'll make a stop. So finally, Mortarian does this, and he pledges his legion. Nurgle said that Mortarian,

you and your Legion will not die. If you give yourself to me. And Nurgle was true to his word. Grandfell Nurgent doesn't lie to you. Not a liar. Did not give away the plague.

Kept them with a plague. They are eternally suffering, but they can now function. But they won't die from it. And Mortarian at this point turns into a demon prince. So that's, and we'll

cover more in this later, but just so for the record, we now have three demon princes on chaos side. We're about to talk about another one, Fulgram. So, and this one's best model that's not in 40K yet. Yep. Now, I will say this story is a little bit loopy, so I apologize if we, if it feels a little disjointed, but it just is what. This is like, but it's also like a hundred years of stuff wrapped into. Yeah.

So we'll do the quick hits initially. So to remind everyone, Fulgram is. kind of possessed, kind of in prison. He was fighting Ferris Manus, holding a demon sword, cut Ferris's head off with the demon sword, or the demon sword cut Ferris' head off, whichever way you want to look at it.

And instantly, when it happened, Fulgram is trapped inside his own body. To which he says he's not. Yeah, sort of. Later on. Sort of. I mean, no, he, okay, he totally was possessed. He was possessed.

I mean, this is where some of these stories get a little bit funny because Fulgram was possessed, comes, this is Poe Sistvon 5, comes wandering into, into Oros' ship, and is just kind of being weird. Well, Horace is immediately knows what's up. That's what's saying. He sees his war presence. Yeah. But who does see what's up and get super upset is Lorgar.

Yeah, he was. He was. He was super upset about the possession, which I'm as little as jealousy. That's just my opinion. But anyway, Lorgar freaks out. And this is kind of where we get our first glimpse into Horace's. Horace, the level of Horace's corruption, because as Brad was saying, Horace knew instantly that Fulgram was possessed.

Horace is wildly powerful, but Horace isn't just wildly powerful with, you know, strength and dexterity and constitution. Horace is infused with understanding. Yeah. One of the biggest draws for Horace to be into chaos is they keep giving him knowledge, understanding, wisdom. You are the wisest. This is why you are better than your father.

You understand what's happening in the galaxy. Your plan is the best plan because you're so smart, so wise. You can see the truth about people. He has the actual ability to see into the warp. He's wildly intelligent. He already was, but he's literally infused everywhere. He's powerful now. And so Horace sees this.

And what's interesting about this story, I do kind of a quick hit on this, but Lorgar notices that something's wrong with Fulgram, and Lorgar attacks a Fulgrim and starts actually beating up Fulgram. And for any of you who know any of the lore, Lorgar was the shittiest fighter of all of the Primark. Because of the fact that Fulgram is currently at odds with himself. Well, and the things, but also he's not the primark. He's a demon prince. And Lorgon, he's a puppeting along.

Lorgar, the primark is more powerful than a random D. Demon. So he's able to beat the crap out of him, and everyone kind of sees this is Fulgram. Fulgram would have whooped Fulg. Ruined ass. And he's winning. So Horace has to get involved and actually separates them. And this is just an interesting moment where it's the, you know, rather than let Lorgar beat up the demon who has possessed and taken control of his brother, Horace goes, no, no, this is cool.

Don't worry about it. Like, we're good. We'll be right back after a quick break. From there, we're going to jump into kind of. removing the possession, not moving the possession. It's... Well, it becomes really weird because Lucius, well, Lucius, the Eternal,

through the unbeatable swordsman that got to be like six times in the books, but whatever, we won't talk about it. I'm not going to discuss. But he effectively knows that his prime arc is less than he used to be. And because, again, chaos, Lucius doesn't give his shit about the possession.

he gives a shit about the fact that his primark isn't as strong, isn't as perfect, isn't the pinnacle of what he was before. And because of that is like, well, it'd be fine if you were possessed and you were better, but you're not. But you're not.

So now I have to go deal with this possession. Correct. And so when you're in the emperor's children, you go and you find your great buddy Fabius bottle. This is such a great story. story because you just go Fabius Bile and you're like, who that guy's weird, man. Like Dark Eldor think that Fabius Bile is like to

the Dark Elder meet Fabius Bile and go, whoa. Like pull it back a little bit, man. Man, there's limits and you are well beyond that. And this is how you know that Fulgrim is not Fulgrim because literally a trio of red shirts plus it is. Yeah. It's literally no one. Random dudes just grabbed Fulgram.

And just jab. him up and you're like, yeah, man, this would never happen. You would all be insta dead. Yeah, I would have accidentally killed you. I wouldn't even mean to. I just would have killed you. And you're wearing a red shirt, so you just die. And so they take him to Fabius Bile, whose great plan is, I know how to get a demon possession out.

I'm going to torture it. I'm just going to torture it until the demon leaves. And everyone goes, yeah, that makes sense. And this is where this story just gets a little bit weird. This is such trash by my mom. way. I'm sorry. Brad, I'm letting you do this one because I just refuse to believe any of this. Yeah.

So, Fulgram just pops out, okay? I'm not making this up. Yeah. Fulgram pops out and just says, bros, I was in charge all the time. He was just trying to figure out the ways of chaos and how things happened. And I was getting information. You're like, so you weren't totally possessed and imprisoned inside the sword. He's like, nah, not at all. But weren't you, like, losing sword fights to, like, Eric? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, but it was a ruse. Everything was, it was, it was, it was really colossal ruse. So, yeah. So they do this thing where they basically did a Constantine, where they jam the demon into, I'm going to look at your ratings, a painting, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a mirror now because that's what happened, Constantine, but whatever. Yeah, you got to think, it makes it, you're thinking of Constantine, not Ghostbusters, too.

It's important to understand the difference. This is Ghostbusters 2. My bad. So, like, he just pretends that he was fine the whole time. Guys, I would have been good. You're like, it feels like you were totally possessed and not in control. And then he's just like, no, that was never the case. In the stories, they just kind of roll with that.

Yeah. And I claim BS on this. Yeah, I've tried. I'm with Brett. I was, there's no way this is accurate. And I pulled the books. I pulled the codexes. yeah, apparently it's a story.

But this is where this story gets to be kind of funny. So Fulgroom has now was possessed, was not possessed, is possessed, who cares? They've saved him from his possession. And Fulgram has now decided that the best solution for Fulgroom is to go be the greatest version of himself that ever could be by infusing himself with the most amount of chaos he possibly could. Out of nowhere. So again, this might seem like a weird story, but we have to do.

tell you this story because there's some linearness to this and it gets us into the next story here, which is the Iron Warriors. And so quick recap on Iron Warriors. Brad, why are the Iron Warriors on the side of the traders? Because they want to punch Robledor and rightness. They do not care. They actually don't have any. Perjaroble literally denies all of the chaos powers multiple times and just goes, I don't care. I just want to be on the other side of Robledorn. Brerob was almost, it's almost tragic that he is the only non kind of possessed guy surrounded by could possess people because he just really wanted to punch Rogel Doorn.

So Fulgram out of nowhere appears to Petter Omblin and says, hey, I've got a great way to make the Iron Warriors more perfect. And if anyone says, I had a way to make you perfect, it is Fulgram is a guy you want to listen to because he's obsessed with, perfection. As much as we can shit talk him, his legion really was amazing because they were, they strived for perfection. And Petarabo has kind of a history of failing. So if you go to him, say, hey, I can make a story. Yeah, you'll never lose. You'll never fail. So you can actually be number one. Because as much as Petterabu wanted to hit Rogal Doran, he also was afraid of

Rogel Doran. Well, you also have to go back. This is also 500 years into, you're almost as good as six to eight of your brothers. Yeah. You're just like, what? You go, yeah, if you were cool as those guys, they're like one brother? No, like most of your brothers. All the cool ones.

But you're right below that tier. He was like, you're at the top of the trash deer for sure. Screw you, I'm going to be that tier. So he goes and says, hey, I got this plan. All you have to do is come with me

into the eye of terror and we're going to capture a special weapon. It's called the angel exterminatus. Again, I'm going to keep in these footnotes. G.W. names things the way a six-year-old names a lightsaber. Either that or they completely jack up another culture and name everything after you. There's also that one. Their interpretation of Latin annoys me a lot. Don't worry about it. Just move on.

I'm old enough to have learned Latin. Sorry. I am ancient. Anyway, so they decided to go to this world, which... It's an elder crone world, though. So they're going to an elder crone world within this system. Meanwhile, there's a ship called the Sisyphine. This is made up of space Marines who survived. Espan 5, Brad. And what is their viewpoint on the traders?

I will punch you right in the throat. And I don't care. You just stab me while. It didn't. Everybody on the ship is already, they're in their mind. They're already dead. Yeah. They just want to take their pound of flesh.

They want to get revenge. Every one of these people believe some of them, it's true. but they all think that their prime acts are dead. And killed by these people that they're pursuing to go harm. And this is going to come up in a second, but we went to set the stage that there is a group of space marines who are pursuing Fulgram and Pederabo into the eye of terror to go to this.

On a suicide mission. Yeah, this plant called Idris. Idaris, Idris. No one of those. Idris album, he's there. Idris. So they reach a crone. So Fulgram and Petarabo

the land on this Eldar world, which is, and I put in quotations, vegan. There's nothing there, but there's a bunch of structures. Right now in the notes, I need to tell everybody that every episode, John, we go through an outline, okay? And every single episode, there's at least once, usually more, that John puts in something that's only there to piss me off. Yeah. And we're about to get to. We're about to get to that. So they land on the planet, Petarabo is trying to be the siege master that he is, and he starts fortifying his position on this, on this vacant world.

But he doesn't fortify all of it, just partially. So what's my note, Brad? Sadness. Rogel Dorn would have done it better. And the problem is, is in this point, you're not wrong. Yeah, the siege master is not the fortification master. No. So he does a mediocre job of fortification.

And that's like I come back to the Burnham and his son. Second, so as they move towards this inner sanctum of this world, the Eldar that are left there. Who are super not okay with Slanesh. Yeah, notice that, hey, this guy, Folgram and his legion, who are pretty heavily tied into the God we created and ended our civilization. Who's also actively pursuing our immortal souls? just showed up and decide. And we're going to, I'm going to let Brad explain to everyone what wraith constructs are,

but they wake up. Yeah. So, wraith constructs are the fighting machines, the dreadnots, but way goddamn better. And how good are wraith constructs at fighting? Well,

they're pretty goddamn resilient. Yes, and so they, well, let's talk about their weapon. Yeah. Most of the wraith constructs, are architected with weapons called D-Weapons,

which open up portals into not here. Yeah, and blast you with them. Well, also they put part of you in there. So basically they go, hey, a two-foot-by-two-foot circle of your body just went to the warp. You're still here. Yeah. But, you know, that circle. That circle that you kind of probably cared about quite a bit.

Yeah, you're like, hey, man, remember the time when the middle of my body didn't exist in this realm? It's not great. So Fulgram and Petarabo are under attack. Now, again, Petrobo could have built better defenses for this. Which, by the way, this is something that they've never encountered. Yeah, and they've never seen this. The Wraith contracts are new. So they are just getting blasted.

Fun story, though, is that this Fulgram, you know, Petirabo and the Iron Warriors begin fighting the wraiths. Some of the Empire Children do. but Fulgram couldn't care less about this, because Fulgram had a side plan here. Well, he also has a side plan that works because of this. Yeah. Weirdly, his plan would not have worked if things would have went well. Yeah, because Fulgram would have been prepared.

So before they came down there, Fulgram gives Pederabo a gift. And again, who takes a gift from a dukech? from a dude as weird as fulgram. Like, it's like, or at least more importantly, don't put it on. So he gives him a cloak with a little stone. He's so creepy by now, by the way.

Yeah, and it's, it's just a guy. Hey, you know, like, no. This stone, though, that he gives to Petterabo actually wasn't a, like, decorative stone, because why would it be? Instead, it's sapping the life energy out of Petteridge. It's literally draining his soul.

Yeah, it's pulling his soul into it. But the Rado is somehow. Worst gift ever. Yeah. Has no idea. other than that that fulgram kind of looks weird to him the whole thing. But out of nowhere, they're standing there, they're getting attacked by these wraith constructs.

Everyone's screaming, trying to get control. And what's fulgram do? He attacks petterabo. Because why not? Because he needs to kill him. And petarabo, rather surprisingly, can't fight. Super not cool with it, but also didn't notice for some unknown reason. By the way, I'd be way cooler with iron worries if this didn't have.

I know. This is one of my first stories that I read about the Iron Warriors. And I was like, I really like you guys because you tool up my least favorite legion of the imperial fist. I mean, they do. Later on, they do. We're getting into this. But we will do an episode on this.

But the fact is this is one of the first stories I read. And for some unknown reason, the guy that's supposed to see next level, next step, because he's the siege guy. He plans so far ahead. literally didn't notice that him and everyone around him was being soul-sucked. Yeah. By the guy literally next to you. And all of his energy is gone.

So at this point, Fulgram, though, does do the bad guy monologue and explains that, yeah, I'm sucking your energy out into this stone, and then I'm going to combine your energy with my energy, and I'm going to become the most powerful being in the whole world. And he's doing all this stuff. And Petarabo goes, no. and decides just to kind of throw the stone that was taking his energy away from him. Like that would do anything. But as we said, the wraith, the wraith construct attack helped Fulgrim.

Now, the loyalist attack. The Sisyphus attack helps Petarabo. Well, I mean, it doesn't help him. It literally makes it so he doesn't get forever destroyed. Yeah. It's a big thing on this because Fulgrim's plan wasn't, I am going to defeat Perto Rabo. Fulgum's plan was, I'm going to

make you not exist in time or space. He was going to take his warp essence. Basically, his eternal soul and he was going to... Fulgum had no ill will toward Pederabo. It was just Pederabo was a means to Fulgin becoming

the most powerful weapon galaxy. But he wasn't just, it wasn't a kill. You can come back from a kill. You can't come back from I'm going to absorb the literal essence of your being. into myself. That's why he wanted to become powerful with that. And that's a big thing in the story that's a difference. It's not a, it's so much more severe than I'm trying to, I'm going to

kill you. You can come back from a kill in 40K, kind of. Yeah. Depends who you. Yeah, it depends about how think your plot on, whereas. But you can't come back from, hey, man, I devoured the essence of your being, your warp essence, your soul, whatever you want to call it. That is what he was looking for. That's how he was looking to power up. He wasn't looking to, I want to defeat you. He was looking to be, I want to consume your essence. My theory when I read this was that Fulgram, Pederabo was just someone Fulgram realized he could manipulate. So he did. And Fulgram manipulated him so that, because he just need a primark. He didn't have to be Pederabo. He needed a prime mark. And Mortarian wasn't going to happen. Magnus wasn't going to happen. Definitely not Lorgar, Horace right out.

I mean, so he's kind of was like, hey, who's going to just, who would follow me into the eye of terror for Apparently no reason. At all. Pederabo's kind of an idiot. All right, let's grab him. He literally gave him a piece of candy. Yeah. Piece of candy.

But what happens is during this fight, Petarabo throws the stone and it's just sitting there and the loyalist attack. And a random loyalist. This is trash. Yeah, but it's just one of these fun stuff. I'm sorry, but it is. Basically, a loyalist

sees the stone and shoots the stone, which blows up the stone. Which is, by the way, the stone's apparently made of cheap, It could absorb all the power of a prime mark, but if you shoot it with a bolt or it explodes. A boulter. Literally a boulter on blows it up. Hold on.

Boo. Boo. Boo on you, sir. The stone explodes and all of the energies that it absorbed goes back to where it came from. Because again, that's how that would work. And Pederabo just kind of, you know, resurrects off the floor and begin. to be the piss out of Fulgroom. Fulgram literally Obi-Wans him.

Yeah. Like 1,000% Obi-Wansom just hands down. Oh, no, you've won. Like huge air quotes, by the way. Yeah. And Fulgram is killed by Petterabo. Yeah, killed. Sort of.

Sorry. Like, I cannot put enough quotations around. Kill. When you lean into the blow and instantly give the, reborn as the coolest model in 40K, which is a four-armed snake with wings. So he splits in that because it's actually a cool thing. This is the one part.

The story is kind of dumb except for this bit here, where he splits in half. The story is super dumb except for this bit. Yeah, he splits in half and then reforms as a giant purple forearm snake with this is why I want. Scandinavian hair metal. Yes. Oh, you got to forget the phone game's like literally the prettiest person you've ever seen. beautiful.

It is. And so those of you who have just Google Fulgram model and you'll see it. They've made one now. We have one just not for 40K. It's for 30K. You shut your face. Because in the reveal, they did not say it was for 30K. I just put the model out.

Screw you, GW. It would have been awesome. So that's the Fulgram. But then at the same time, because Fulgram really is just kind of an ass here. As soon as he achieves this ascension he's been looking for, he teleports. Deuce is out. This deuce is out. In the middle of a fight.

So now you've got Iron Warriors, wraith constructs. No, that's just wraith constructs. Yeah, all of the wraith constructs. Yeah, it is a lot of raith constructs. And random Astardis all just kind of shooting at each other. And Petarabo's there like, oh, and then the planet turns out of black.

I forgot this. I actually, it's funny because I, I surprised myself because I look at the notes later a lot of times. But I forget. got about this because you're like, hey, he basically did the whole, well, shit can't get any worse than this. And you're like, whoa, shouldn't change yourself. What if everyone's fighting you and the place they're fighting you're on is imploding into a black hole? You're like, for why? Reasons for reasons. So Petroabo jumps back to his ship and they try to leave orbit. But now there's a black hole behind them. And I had to get.

get Petirabo credit. This is a ballsy move. He does something kind of cool where he just says, my Legion always moves forward, never back. And he turns his ships around and launches himself into the black hole. So just for recap.

Q's Disney movie. Yeah, Fulgram is now a demon prince. Petarabo has now disappeared into a black hole. By the way, this is not what Horace told people to do. Yeah, Horace, by the way, told both these guys to go to meet up on Mars,

which we'll get to in a minute. I'll say, like, hey, guys, I'm just recapping the plan. Yeah. You did think steps A through Z, and none of those were what I said to do. He's the wrong alphabet. No, no, no, these guys, you're the A through Z. That's a lot of credit. These guys jump to a Cyrillic alphabet at this stage here.

Is there a backwards E? Yeah. From there, we'll jump over to one of the last of the falls, which is the World Eaters. So. Angren has no big plans. Angron just gets distracted by shiny. Let's be honest with you. So Angron is with Lorgar and they're fighting the Ultramines. We covered in the last episode, you know, but during this campaign, Lorgar realizes something's off with Angron,

more than just off. Like, Angron's nuts. But he realizes Angron is actually dying. These butcher's nails and his skull are... Back up, though. Angron is not a demon prince right now. No, yeah. Engron is just a prime mark and he is dying. And the issue, so Lorgaard decides that they need to pull. Because Lorgar is a weird character where, like, it seems like some of the other Primarks he liked a lot and others, he did not. But he liked Angron for whatever reason. He is a weird kid, by the way.

Oh, Lorgar, he's just a weird. Like, most likely to do bad things randomly. Lorgar decides the best thing to do for Angron is taken back to his home world, in quotes, of Nusaria. And that's where they put the butcher's nails in his head. They'll go there and they're going to make the people take the butcher's nails out of his head or at least fix it. And they have no ability nor desire to fix this. And to make things worse. Also, they talk mad shit when they come down.

One little piece about this is that Angron, when the emperor took him from Nusaria, left him hanging like nobody's business. Basically told him, don't worry about it. All your friends there will be fine. No, he literally left him, hey, you're in the middle of a Spartacus rebellion. I may or may not be doing my last stand. And the emperor went, yeah, this looks stupid.

And grabbed Engron and just dused out. And just went, yeah, your friends probably, maybe they survived. Who cares? I don't really give a shot. They're probably fine. Turns out when you win, Angron gets back to Nusaria. How does friends do, Brad?

Yeah, they all died. Like, wait a second. Carry the one. Absolutely zero people survived that he knew. every single person that he was friends with, not only got killed, got mercilessly tortured and killed. And put as an example, by the way,

for the rest of the populace. So not your friends didn't just die. Your friends got tortured, killed. Oh, yeah. They literally put them up on posts to go, don't do this shit anymore. And this is everyone you've ever known. Or cared about.

These are the only friends, only true friends that you've ever had. and they're all dead. Like, not just dead, dead. Like, displayed, like, you are now on my kitchen table. Yeah. Like, you're my trophy of how dead you are. Right.

So Angron just loses his mind. He's not super happy about it. But to make things more fun, as we discuss a prior episode, Lorgar and his buddies decided to surprise Gilliman with a surprise attack. And Gilliman decides that wasn't cool and has been, following them the whole time. So while Angron kind of wanders off on his anger party... Do you ever think that Bobby

G is like he's probably got a bad back from the weight of all the plot armor that's on him? I'm just saying like it's got to be heavy to carry. Yeah. So Ultramarines decide to attack the word bears. I'm sorry, but he just survives in a moment.

Go ahead. Oh no, he does. Gilliman's master thing is what's the latest moment I can arrive and still be on time? Cool. But also, he literally is in a fight with double primarks. I'm skipping ahead a little bit. They're literally on a mountain in a summoning circle because Lorgar, for whatever reason,

because sometimes he does semi-cool shit, figures out that Angron's just going to die. Only, I forgot to mention the Angron decides that this entire planet has to die. Yeah. Every, not one person. We should actually jump there. So Angron has discovered all his friends are dead. And what's his response to this bread? Kill the entire planet.

That's what I'm saying. I think what I said was way more accurate. Everyone in this planet, everyone this plans are responsible to the death of all my friends. I am going to literally remove every person from this planet. His whole plan is to genocide the planet. Just like, hey man, I'm killing the squirrels. I'm killing the people. Everything's going to die.

And the thing is the thing. is that he goes, would he get a virus on the planet? No, I'm going to punch to death. One on one, yeah. Everyone. I'm going to pick, and they're all gone. Yeah, everyone has to die. At this stage, the ultramarines show up because Gilliman's been following them the entire

time and is decided that Lorgar needs to die for what he did, for what he did to me back on. He's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong at all. And they just begin beating the ever-living crap out of the. The word bears ever won a fight. Who knows? Who cares? They're lame. So, Gilemon is just beating the hell out of Lorgar.

But Agingron, I guess, is bored. By the way, we got to pause this. I need to break this up. Because Lord Gar may or may not have been an epic supervillain this fight. We'll be right back after a quick break. Because Lorgar already has a summoning circle set up. Yep. This has already happened.

Bobby G. And Lorgar start fighting. Lorgar is literally a three-foot-tall guy with a limp and for a prime mark. And he's getting his ass kick because that's what Lorgar does. But he's already set the space. By the way, also randomly they're fighting on a mountain side. There's no reason to throw out. There's no fights happening on the mountain side.

They just go to the mountain side. Yeah. They're like, hey, man, you want to fight? Yeah. Can we do it on a mountain? you're like, but there's no fighting going on. Like we would have to like take some serious time. You look like, I'd get my backpack.

I got to hike up the mountain. There's a whole process. Like I'll meet you like, I don't know, like in six hours. Six hours. They'll see you there. All right. All right. All right.

All right. We could fight right here. Yeah. Yeah. That's really what, like there's no fighting going on in this month. It's just Lorgar and Bobby G. And the summoning circle. He's like, again, this is why Bobby G.

G. Is the best and the worst with the pot armor. because Bobby G. goes to a wildly, this is a trap. Don't go here. And he goes, I'm going to go there by myself. Yeah, we all have our favorites. And I actually like Gilliman a lot. I think Gilliman did it as a screw you in your trap.

I mean, it's wildly a trap. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a trap. It's a comical trap. I'm going to go to your trap and beat the crap out of you in your trap. I mean, he does pummel him, like laughably pumbling. And this is again, Bobby G.

The problem is Bobby G. Has the bad guy thing. Yeah. Because Bobby G. has to give Lorgar a lecture. Well, it's not the bad guy thing. Bobby G, what is his superpower? He's the ultimate bureaucracy.

So you know what I'm explained to you? This is why I'm beating you with my right hand. This is why I'm beating you with my left hand. This is why there's a rule here. He gives him literally a lecture of, this is why I beat the shit out of you, which he does, by the way. Like, it's laughable. And then anger. shows up out of nowhere.

Leaps up out of nowhere, more accurately. Kind of, really. It just goes, gnaw. And attacks Gelleman. Who Gelleman, to be fair, actually beats back pretty well. Angron, pretty bad. Well, Anger at this point in time is also literally losing his mind. And he's just killed three million people.

He's also, well. His arm's a little bit tired. Well, it's not even just that. He also doesn't know where the hell he is. Yeah. He's legitimately, he's in, if you're really, he literally starts like thinking he's in the past, he's in the present,

he's in the future. He doesn't know what's going on because again, the nails are killing him, but also, oh, I don't know, Lager may or may not have had

a ritual circle right over to the side and is literally drawing him into it because Lorgar has a plan. Lorgar has a plan. And Angron is effectively standing in, I'm going to become a demon prince. I don't want to, but I'm about to.

And so the thing that, Before Angron went on his little crusade of kill everybody, he went to all the graves of all of his friends and actually collect them and made, like, we think about like someone having like a bunch of skulls attached to their body. It should be your enemies. But in Angron's case, these are actually his best friends.

Yeah. So for this is, again, I'm going to keep calling GW out when they do this. This is a Hamlet reference. For those of you who are not aware of it, this is 100% a Hamlet reference. and I support it because I actually like Shakespeare,

but this is a Hamlet reference. As Gilliman and Angron are fighting, Gilliman hits him with his sword and his belt of skulls of his buddies fall off of him. Oh, God, then Bobby J. I forgot about this part. Bobby G. accidentally steps on it. On his friend, down-out, Sean. And Angron loses his shit.

Yeah. Right as Lorgar chance the last bits of his, ritual. At which point, Angron goes from Angron, the world's angriest primark. Who's also about to die and doesn't know where he is. To Angron,

the coolest model in 40K. Demon Prince? Yeah, I mean, like, this is just... He is juiced up like nobody's... Wicks pop out of his back. He, like, doubles in size, turns bright red. Angron is insane. And Gilliman is

standing in front of this monstrosity of power. To give G-Man credit, as usual, he doesn't run away or anything. It just stands there. But luckily, at this moment, oh, sorry, side note, as Lorgartre is converting Angron onto a demon prince, Angron's Legion has Cykers it. Oh, shit, I forgot about this. Yeah, I just, as I'm looking at them, remember this. So sorry, guys, for a little left turn.

these psychers, because they are, again, Angron's, you know, offspring effectively, sense something going on the property and try to stop Lorgar's ritual, which the demon prince that ends up possessing Angron doesn't take kindly to. No, he obliterates everyone.

And Bobby G. gets to run away, not to pick his plot armor, because Angron's too busy, killing the shit out of those psychers. Yeah. And this is where Gilliman escapes with, you know, leaving behind Lorgar and Angron. Also, how does Laura keep getting away? Well, don't worry.

We're about to get into Lorgar deciding this. So here we are. Lorgar has just made his, I don't know, third demon. I mean, he's just, he's all over. I have to give him credit for. He is manipulating shit. Oh, he's incredible. For the biggest, I mean, he's the weakest,

the primers, is he? By far. Yeah, I'm just, I felt like I was making that up at first. Conrad Cruz. Yeah, but he's like spikes. It depends on what you can. But Lorgar is... Conrad's either like amazingly powerful or terrible.

I don't know of a story where Lorgar wins a fight. No. He's never won anything. So, by the way, this is bonkers town to me. I get it in the story. But Lorgar decides that Horace is weak and not the right fit to lead this insurrection. Well, it's jealousy. This is, this kind of really brings us to the culmination point of chaos corruption.

Lorgar is behind Horace's original corruption. Oh, it's 1,000%. I mean, Eribus is actually the better part. True. But it's Lorgar. I would argue it's Lorgar's the one. It's Lorgar's plan. It's Lord Gar's plan.

And at a certain point, like any, you know, good bad guy, Lorgar decides that actually he's not as loyal to the chaos gods as I am. Why should it be Horace? He was the original, by the way. He was. And decides that he needs to go do something. So we could dive into a lot of, lot of detail about how he try, all the pieces that he does here, but I'm going to give you guys

kind of the shortened version of it so we don't just drone on forever. Lorvon needs to defeat Horace and he can't defeat Horace himself. So he decides the best way to do it is to possess Fulgram, who is of the remaining prime marks probably the best fighter. Yes. Like, laughing. Yeah. So the best fighter.

If you're talking about being one-on-one fight, not being psychic, not being planted, not being anything, Fulgram, especially. in his new form. Yep. And also, to be fair, to be fair, Lordgard doesn't know the juiced power that chaos has infused Horace with

because Horace has not ever giving himself at this point in time. Yeah, he wouldn't know how powerful Horace is. Horace has been infused, but Horace is also semi-keeping himself.

Horace at least thinks that he is making decisions based on what Unless you fight Horace, you don't realize how powerful Horace is. Right. And that's the thing. So he goes to Folgram and he finds Fulgram. Fulgram has, by way, disappeared ever since screwing over Petarabo.

And he finds him where in a Slanesian temple just having a Slanesh level party. He's at a rave. He's at a, well, he's at a blood rave. It's, I mean, yeah. I mean, I just, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's a Slenish rame. I mean, I just thought that was said without saying it. He was a slenash rave. And Lorgar, because he's Lorgar,

tricks Folgram into actually giving his soul in control over to a dark apostle and he's brought with him. Oh, he, again, a comical trap. Yeah. Just dumb. He's in the middle of a crazy bloodthirst rave party, whatever they're doing. It's just, it's very odd.

It's effectively a lot of ceremonial bloodletting. Yeah. And then Fulgram, actually, I hate the story. As a whim, like, he's basically signed here. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Like, whatever. It gives his soul over to the dark.

I'm busy party. I accidentally gave my soul to the guy that was going door to doors asking for souls. I mean, that's how bad it is. It really is. Yeah, it's not even, at this point, it's just, like, I think the demons, like, we can just possess him because we're bored. And that seems to be the ones thing. Yeah. So Lorgar now has a plan.

All right, I've got Fulgram with me. We're going to go to have a chat with Horace. And then while I'm talking to Horace, I'm going to make Fulgram kill him. But again, Horace can see warp identities. Horace can actually see your intentions, basically. He can see effectively your soul. He can see what you intend to do to him, which is a big deal. Like, again, the chaos guys did most of the,

the primarks were infused with, I'm stronger, faster, better. Horace wasn't just infused with that. Horace was infused with, I'm stronger, faster, better, I'm wiser, I'm more intelligent, like I was saying before. They gave him extra sight, extra wisdom, because that was the

draw, because Horace was already super strong, super fast. He's like, I'm arguably the best already, guys. This doesn't give me anything. He goes, yeah, but we're going to give you more wisdom. You're going to be you're already right.

We're going to help you be more right. Horace actually, of course, sees this coming. And Lorgarh springs his trap only to discover that Horace knew about it. The guy... Instantly pummels it. Yeah, Folgram had already been released

from his imprisonment for the 11th time for keeping track. And Horace just decides, all right, well, you betrayed me, buy and beats the ever-living crap out of Lorgar and legitimately punches him in the face as he comes onto his bridge

and banishes Lorgar he, by the way, we're doing this injustice because he effectively Hulk loki's him. Oh yeah. Just grabs him and just front of everybody. Oh, he just Thunderdome's everybody. Like also talking shit to everybody else in the room

while just beating. Yes. He literally Thunderdome's Logar while basically telling everyone else. Look at me. Eye contact. This is what happens when you betray me. And that was the biggest thing for Lorgar

is he was disrespecting so badly at the same time. But he doesn't kill Lurgar. He does spare his life and banishes him because of the marks. Yeah, the mark. And banishes him to the world. This never goes bad for it too. Yeah. So that's actually going to bring us

to the conclusion of our prime marks and where they are. The one other piece that we want to need to jump in before we go to the final invasion of soul is the dark Mechanicum. There's so much stuff happening. There's so much stuff happening here. And we're going to have to kind of keep this. We're going to do a very deep dive into Admec in the future.

And any time we do a dive into Admec, we're going to have to talk about the origins of Admec and a dark Mechanicum. But we cannot talk about the invasion of Terra without discussing the Dark Mechanicum. So let's dive into this fairly... So if this feels condensed to all of you, cough, cough. There's still a Catan there. Yeah. So the ad mech have always been suspicious to the emperor.

He's been, he, he, Brad just said this really well in a prior episode, that the emperor always appears in whatever form you want to see him as. So he appears on Mars as the. Messiah. The Amnesi. That's like the Amnicide. He appears on Mars as. the Am Messiah. 100%.

And Admec, go, oh, our God is here. And so they just kind of capitulate to what he says. But as time goes by, they start to have questions like, hey, was that dude, the Amn Messiah?

Which doesn't help that chaos is wrong going, no, he wasn't. Who is that? Don't worry about it. He wasn't. And there's this interesting vault that I don't really want to dive too much into,

but it's important. The emperor, after, just like, because he loves to do this stuff, it says, don't do X. Why? Don't talk about it. Just don't do it.

So there's this mysterious vault on Mars that he bars the ad mech from opening. And the ad mech have always wanted to open the vault. Anyone who has children understands what I'm doing. So a new time goes by and just right about the time of the Horace heresy, a new fabricator general comes up in Kelbor Hall. Who is super not down with the emperor, by the way. Really hates him. Horace knows about this.

And Horace also, because he was the war master for the emperor, knows the truth. What Horace knows is that he knows the emperor actually is betraying the adman. He knows that as they were waging their campaigns, they were finding STC drives. They were finding AI. They have a lot of them actually. They destroying it while they had a vault of STCs, and they destroyed all AI that they encountered not only destroyed it, but obliterated from anyone knowing about it. The thing is, is, and I know there are probably Admec fans out there, but the fact of

admec is everyone, if you read enough lower in 40K, you realize admec are right on that edge of launching the entirety of the Imperium back into the Dark Age of technology. They would do it in a quarter of a second. So Horace has this problem. He needs the admec on his side, but if he gives them the AI stuff that they want, it actually will eat the guy. The Iron Men will be instantly back. Boom. They're all back. So what he does is he kind of teases them. He gives them

one STC drive as proof that the emperor is holding it back from him. And to be fair, that's all the Calibor needs. Calibor says, cool, I'm on your team. He was also the guy looking for a reason. For a reason. The problem is that Horace, I don't think, my opinion,

I don't think of this stage, Horace fully into the power that chaos had throughout the universe. And so maybe he didn't know about the vault, or he did and didn't think it was that big of a deal. But Kelbor takes this, creates a revolution on Mars and opens what's called the Vault of Moravec. Which is just jam-packful of not great things. Chaos robots, effectively.

Well, they've been infected for literally thousands of years. Like, they actually weren't chaos-infused stuff originally. And now, and so we talk about the Dark Mechanicum, The dark mechanics or a combo of, yes, they are traitors, but they're actually chaos-infused robots for lack of a better. They're semi-correct, though, because their machines are better, because this is effectively, to them, new technology. Well, I mean, and again, this hasn't played it out in the game in every edition, but chaos should be more powerful than regular Marines. A chaos space marine is more powerful than a space marine. Hey, GW, fix your codexes.

but also their vehicle should be wildly better because they are the same oh yeah except for they have peds like no one's ever had peds before i took your dreadnought your walker your tank what did i do i'm chained a demon to it you're like what does that do it's pretty goddamn good it's it juices them up like no one's business also when he shows up out of this vault he shows people how much better they are because he puts a whooping on everybody that's around for no real reason besides to just kind of show them how powerful I am right he shows up with all these weapons and just murder shits everybody within a 10 mile radius of him and so Mars now is in a full revolution to go what we were saying earlier this is why mortarian and fulgram and pedirabrable

we're all supposed to be going to Mars right away because we need to help out. Just solve this shit right away. Because it's not even just like this half is this and this half of this. It's no, it's more like we've shattered Mars into 70 factions. Yeah. And they're all fighting individually across the planet amongst themselves. And also a lot of them don't know why they're fighting. They just know I'm getting attacked.

Yeah. So Mars, this is why I wanted to talk about it, because Mars is now, falling apart. And Rogel Dorn, whose job it is to protect the, you know, the sole system now has a problem because the third planet from the sun is Earth. The fourth is Mars. So you now have a planet very close to Terra that is basically in full revolt borderline chaos, but this planet produces all of your shit. So Rogel Dorn, you can't just go conquer it because the Rogel Dorn then has to drop a blockade. Brogaldorn has now built a blockade around the solar system, layering it all the way towards

Terra, and has a separate blockade just around Mars. So this is working in Horace's favor quite a bit. He's now really starting to stretch the resources thin within Terra. Which they also can't choose a side on Mars, by the way, because they actually, Mars doesn't have a clear victor. Mars also doesn't have clear factions. Oh, Mars is just an anarchy. It's just a shit show because it's not just chaos versus loyalists. It's Dark Mechanicum type people versus other people versus semi-people loyalists versus individual factions that were all excited about having a faction, basically, which is why you have all the ad-neck stuff of Lucius and Mars and everything else kind of thing.

all these split into these wild splinter factions, and it's just going to shit on Mars. Mars is just completely falling apart. But the last piece I want to set before we go into the invasion of Terra is cultists. I think this is important. Brad and I were actually discussed us earlier. It's important to go over this

because we talk a lot about the Space Marine on Space Marine action. And now we've covered a little bit about... But that's the movie action. The real action has happened. with the untold trillions of people throughout, it's actually more, throughout the,

throughout the Imperium that are, we're actually talking about this at lunch. We will do a full episode of this, what's going on in the Imperium, but like, it's a real thing that it's fairly easily for the chaos gods to go, hey man, your life sucks.

Would you like your life to suck less? and they're like, I would like to do anything, but put this widget into this hole for 16 hours a day and have a dude beat me. Actually, it's not even a dude. Have a machine beat me over the head every time I'm not fast enough

putting the widget into the hole. So let's dive into like holtist. The note I gave here is classic sci-fi where there's always people who are on the side of the demons. I mean, I can name more movies than I should. They just want to be. They are lured.

People with shitty lives are easily strayed to your life can be better. How better? Don't worry about it. It's just going to be better. It's better than it is today. Right. And so now what you have is from a chaos god, we've discussed before, the chaos gods are fed by whatever it is they care about happening a lot.

Killing, disease, excess, basically forbidden knowledge. Every knowledge. These things are all growing. So the chaos gods are now able to start. pushing out of the warp and more into the material from the immaterial. They still need a body to go into, but it's possible. And we begin to see the long-term tragedy of the Horace heresy is the immaterial and the material begin to blend a little bit in the sense of the creatures of the immaterial

now can reach into the interior. Well, they're saying it's the first time since the birth of Slonesh, basically, that the creatures of the warp can manifest, not just possess. They've always been able to possess manifest into the material plane because you have enough belief in whatever their thing is. And they start to have planets that are demonically incursions planets where demons can literally physically be when they never could before. Now, along with Horace, you know, Horace himself and his legions converting people over, gods of chaos, are actually doing it here and there. And you're getting what the game calls cultists.

For those who don't know what these are, these are just people who believe fervently in one of the chaos gods. They worship them. They will sacrifice themselves. They will kill for them, whatever it is. These are, instead of being a space marine fighting for a chaos god, this is a dude who used to work in factory.

Yeah, Tim. Tim, that used to sweep the halls, literally just made a bloodthirster show up next to you. I don't want to bring these guys up because they're a very important element to the invasion of the soul system. The Horace has his legions, but he needs more than just that.

He needs bodies to throw at it. And I will give you one of your notes, which is so spot on. The emperor was wildly wrong. Like, wildly wrong. Because the emperor's plan in his shitty, distant British dad plan, was that he was not going to acknowledge

the chaos existed. And if he didn't acknowledge chaos, existed, they wouldn't have power. And the problem was is that the exact opposite happened, which is people weren't ready for chaos. Societies, the ruling parties, people in charge didn't know chaos existed. So they weren't ready for cultists in basically infections. They don't know what this is. I mean, you're trying to solve an infection of a virus that you don't know is exists. It's basically impossible. So the universe for the for the Imperium is beginning to burn. Even if even in world's horse isn't directly touching because of

chaos. So it's it's everything is kind of falling apart all over the place. Laffably. And the thing is is that because of warp storms, which we already, we talked about a little bit a couple episodes ago, there's warbstorms everywhere. So we have disconnection between worlds, between systems, between everything. There's little communication back and forth. There's a lot of disinformation between system to system. So they don't know what's going on. We'll stop here. And we're going to get ready for our next episode, which is probably our final episode in this series. Not the series. Don't worry. We're not going anywhere. So it'll be our final episode in the horse heresy, which will be the invasion of the soul system in terror.

At this stage, the doors are open to terror. Horace now has his shot. His legions are now led by demon princes. He's got Mars on his side. Things are looking pretty good for Horace. And the emperor's side, he's got Rogal Dorn, three space marine chapters, the custod, sisters of silence, I mean, has some titans. And every single citizen of earth armed with a lot of the army. Lasgun, but, you know, it's that he's got some stuff, but Horace is coming. And we're going to get

to this culmination. And they know that Horace is going. Yeah, they know what they know it's coming. And as soon as he gets there, it's, it's going to be go time. So next episode, we're going to cover the culmination of Horace's traitor rebellion. Who does he win? I think we can all figure that one out. Or does the emperor win? You're going to have to tune in if you want to find out about that. Look, guys, it's called the Horace. You guys could just Google the results, but I'm just saying you could let us tell you this story. Or we could talk about it. Exactly. So with that, please like and subscribe. Also, please join our Discord and our Facebook. We have a lot of engagement there. We'd love to have some feedback. We're always learning. We're hoping we're in episode seven.

Seven. We're hoping by double digits that will actually know what the hell we're doing. But it's going to take you guys to let us know how we can fix things. After our next episode, we're going to move into a much less linear path. And we'd like to have a lot more interaction with you guys how we're going to do that. But with that, I am John Barside. This is Bradchester. This guy. Thank you so much.