The 40k Lorecast - Episode 74 - Blood Angels pt1 - The origins

Episode Date: February 18, 2025

On today's cast we begin our coverage of the Blood Angels Chapter. We start with their origins under the unification wars. From there their borderline descent into savagery as they pushed out into the great crusade. Next we jump to their Primarch Sanguinius. First with his arrival on Baal Secundus, and then his growth and rise to be the leader of the moon. That leads us into his unification of his legion and their repression of their Gene flaw. And then we go into the Horus Heresy. With the betrayal at Signus prime and their greatest enemy Ka’ Bandha. Then we join them on their quick detour to make a new imperium, and finally we close out with the Sierge of Terra and Death of their Primarch.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast. With me, John Barcotti and Bradchester. This guy. On today's cast, we'll begin our two-part coverage of the Blood Angels Legion, with the focus on their origins in the Unification Wars, the formation as the 9th Legion, and of course the arrival of Sanguineas,

and then the departure of sanguineas. It wasn't... Space Jesus. Yeah, it's who he is. As always, the 40K lore cast is a weekly podcast, focusing on the lore of the Warhammer 40K Universe, with new episodes releasing. every Monday at 7 p.m.

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Blood Angels at least 87.2% more than you like the Blood Angels. No, it's 87.2 times more than I do. Let me help you out on this. Like, they're fine. I just... I'll be playing Blood Angels and I have to go back in time because I'll already have been there. But I'm going to play the Blood Angels for three tournaments in a row. Yeah. I don't have an issue at Blood Angels. They're just Space Marines. and I don't overly. I think candidly, so the irony of this game is, this is a game written about space marines,

and I find the space marines be the least interesting part of the lore. I don't even know if you like any of the space marines to really. Death Watch I'm okay with. Wolves are fine. I don't dislike them. I just think the lore around non-space Marines. I just,

I think that this is one of the legions that I like their stories quite a bit. You can ever go wrong. Desimation of Ball and things of that major. But their heroes are real heroes. They're not as awesome as space. I'm trying to think through. I think the Blood Angels may be the most lower prevalent of all the chapters. They've been in the main story.

The only people that Ultramarines always are. Are they doing? I mean, the reason I ask this is like, so I'm looking at more from a story in lore standpoint. Okay. The ultramarines are a figure within the lore, but they don't interact with it as much as the blood angels do. The blood angels were, I mean, especially the heresy. I mean, the ultra-mines are the poster child. Blood angels are in a lot of the moving part stories. That's what I'm getting at. The ultramarines are like the Bog standard space marine becomes the ultramarines thing. But when we're talking about a story with epic conflict and all these things, I think the blood angels are the

biggest ones in there. Maybe even recently because 8 really was. Yeah, blood angels really, they really did them up. So anyway, who the Blangels are. They're a heavy melee focused army that mostly excels in close combat and kind of fast attacks, which is just, they like jump packs. If you like jump packs and power fists, you're like Blood Angels. You're going to like

Mon Angels. They used to like melt a pistols, but GW took that away from them. That army was awesome. The army was wow. That army was wow. It was just like, so all of you have... I apologize to people. Yeah, all of you have pistols that can melt a tank. Yeah.

Four-year-olds. With four-year-olds. Like most of the Space Marine Legions, they're an homage to some sort of mythology, like Vikings, Mongols, pirates, whatever. The millennials are kind of an homage to the story of Catholicism. Not in a religious sense. It's the Catholicism mythos, the good versus evil, the angels and demons,

and taking these epic stands against them. And also, what can happen in corruption, how you have to fight against it? Because they have their, a lot of their heroes are effectively what would be the saints and things of that nature. Yeah. I mean, it's, the plagiarism is not subtle. No. I mean, it's not even.

I mean, there is a guy that died for your sins. Yeah, it's not subtle. So, you know, let's get into this. Before we begin, kind of once again, I'm going to talk about the birth of space marines, for those who didn't listen to those cast, just a real quick hit. At the onset of what was new as a Great Crusade, which is when the. the emperor of mankind left Earth to go conquer the galaxy. He did so with a massive force of super soldiers. They were faster, stronger, tougher, and more resilient, except the poison, than any human in history.

The space Marines were purpose-built to be able to handle anything the galaxy could throw at them with the exception of poison. Ah, they urged Earth. Candidly. All right. The thing about space springs, though, is that they weren't a monolith. The force was made up of 20 legions. Two of them never got very far. And each of them had small quirks and changes within them. This was both by, actually, it's hard to tell this was by design or by accident. I think it's both, to be honest with you. Probably. Because part of it, and they've, I haven't really retcount themselves, but they just leave it out there. And I like the way that they leave it out. Yeah, it's fine, yeah. For just, it's in the dark age if you don't really know, you know, what happened. We don't have that history.

But part of it was they got corrupted by chaos, the prime arcs themselves. You know, they got messed with it. Yeah, there was a chaos touch. And so, yeah, that's about the prime arc. So every space marine is created by putting in what's called a gene seat, which is complicated and listen to that chaos, if you will, we get a lot more into it. But effectively, every single person within a space marine, Army has a piece of the primark in them. And the primarks was a secret project that the emperor made where he takes the power of

the warp and creates a living being with it. The primarks are not more, they're not true mortal beings as we learned from Corvax. You know, it's like they actually, they are actual warp entities and no one realized that, including me until I read that. But there are also pieces of him. makes any of him. Yeah, some of him was put into it, but they are at their core this. And so as he made these, the problem is that the emperor got the tactic to make these from the chaos gods. And anyone who has any concept of how a story should be written, a chaos god will never give you a

full truth and a deal. There's always a little bit left off. And for once, I'll back the chaos gods, because the emperor went, I will for sure do some stuff for you if you give me this knowledge. And they gave them the knowledge. And he went, yeah, I'm not. not going to do it. Yeah, I'm out. I lied, bye, psych. Did you not see this coming? The emperor basically yelled psych while running out of the room. And he creaker's smoke bomb, dude. Smoke bomb. It just ran away. Just like, oh, man. And because of that, every single lesion is what we were just discussing a short minute ago, got touched by chaos in one way or another. And this was the chaos God's way of undermining the emperor's attempt to screw them over by

screwing him over first. Well, they did it in a, in the hacker backdoor kind of thing. They put in a small flaw in all of the primarks with kind of a lure, which is how they ended up, well. Creating the heresy. Yeah. Well, they created the heresy, but also they got scattered by, well, there's also someone that really made that work. So, sorry, Mom, you weren't very helpful with that one. So let's dive into the origins of the Blood Angels, at which point they were known as the Ninth Legion. The Ninth Legion are interesting because most of the Space Marines history begins during the Great Crusade. However, the Ninth Legion actually begins earlier than that. They actually first appear on the tail end of the Unification Wars, which is where the emperor was bringing Terra to heal under his power.

However, the blood angels weren't deployed with the main forces on Terra that were fight like the Thunder War, isn't it? said they were deployed really, you know, weird method just to create pain and suffering. This was not the high point of blood angels, though. Well, this is, I like this, because this is the blood angels before their arrival of their prime mark. They were, I mean, it's, to be fair, to be fair, they are, it's a copy of the dark angels,

where before they were given this paragon of kindness, they were a monstrosity. They did this on purpose because he, again, did completely absolve them of their sins, maybe. Yeah, and these sins were rough. I mean, the way the Emperor used the 9th Legion is as well, yeah, while. He didn't have them win any real victories. They just picked on people. Well, yeah, so the idea was that the Thunder Warriors, some of the other proto-marines were

taking, were fighting people on fronts and really engaging pretty rough battle. The 9th Legion would attack from behind the lines or off to the edges where it wasn't even, not even attacking like forces, just attack. in like civilian populations and there's massacre them. The Ninth Legion held, it was just, this was evil stuff. But what was really crazy about this is that while they were doing this, they became known as the eaters of the dead. And this is because that's what they did.

The Ninth Legion would run through or largely civilian populations and then actually consume some of their bodies and like a ritual. And not like in a like, oh, it's a rumor. No, they had like 4K, 8K photos of this. Yeah. They had remembrances before there was. Yeah, exactly. Everyone was writing this down.

And the emperor was, by the way, totally fine with this. And interestingly enough, at the end of the Unification Wars, after he murders all the Thunder Warriors, 9th Legion was fine. So that's kind of like, that's where they started. What I find interesting about the 9th Legion is that this continued, coming out of under the Great Crusade, the Ninth Legion were used to really to fight

ravage and annihilate any foe, any foe who dared stand against the Emperor. If you, whoever you were, as opposed to, by the way. It was also in the beginning because he was making it, I really feel the Emperor who is not a nice guy, was sending

a message of don't resist, join the cause. Yeah. Or what I find funny about, up this, though, is they, again, all these things are written independently, but you read about it, and the blood angels were deployed against the most dangerous, into the most dangerous war zones, against the strongest foes, yes, to really devastate and instill fear in them. As opposed to the world eaters, the space wolves, the dark angels, the night lords,

emperor's children, et cetera, death guard. Every single legion has this story, by the way. So it's more of a funny thing, and it's because it's not GW's fault, is that you have to write 18 legions. You really can't write 18 different ways you wage war. There's not that many variants. And also, you're probably going to sew terror. Yeah. And holy shit, when, again, the giant mutated super soldiers show up in power armor.

Maybe that's what one of the redacted lesions were doing. They were just coming up planting trees. It was just like, that's why he's like, oh, this just doesn't work. He set one out that was just all kindness. show up with gift baskets. They're singing the Barney song. Would you guys please join the Imperium? It'd be great to have you.

This is not working at all. Exactly. Like, all right, they're all redacted. Set in the Dark Angels. Just think about the beginning of the crusade, though. This is just how terrifying Marines are. If it's just John and Brad and these guys show up, you have to think, what the hell is even happening right now?

Yeah. It's like, why are there people this much larger? It must have been disappointing when you lose to them and you realize that it's actually, they're just one small portion of it. Then all the regular dudes show up and like, oh, I could have beat them. I can't beat the other. I could be dead. Good God. What I find one of the most interesting pieces about the Ninth, the Ninth Legion is where they came from.

We discussed us before, but the emperor knew what each Legion was going to specialize in, and he made sure he pulled from Terra a stock that lined up with that. So the night lords were made out primarily of primals. criminals. The iron hands came from the tech wastelands. The world eaters came from somewhere just terrible, just all terrible, et cetera, et cetera. But the blood angels had a really unique one, because they hailed from the dredges of terror. Most of the blad angels actually came from remnants of people conquered by the emperor, unwillingly conquered. Most like the meek will inherit the earth. Yeah, I mean, I guess. This one's more just, it just messed up because these are made up of people who

whose entire families were slaughtered by the emperor and his legions and agreed to join. This also messes with the gene seed a little bit because these are also people, and we'll cover this more later, who probably took the brunt of some pretty rough chemical and nuclear

weapons. And we'll cover that shortly. To be fair, I do think that several of the chapters had problems with that, because just like we talked about with the Necron tier, I think a lot of their DNA was flawed. Yeah, and you see the truth is...

Terror was partly a radiated wasteland. Yeah, it's in almost every legion. I think maybe the ultramarines and who knows, maybe white scars, I don't care about them. Get him replaced all their terrans at some fairly early stage in the fight. Most of the Terrans died off early, and they became wherever the recruiting world was. And we've talked about this under several of our other casts. when we talk about some of the other chapters, that they made it a point to,

you know, whatever the Primark's home world, they replaced everybody with those people. Which is always funny because these people from terror don't live that long anyway, but they would still be like, yeah, I know they're all going to be dead in like 30 years, but how about we just send them into the Ragdan first?

Yeah. Are we getting armor? What about the rest of you? We'll be there in a minute. 10 minutes. I'll be there in 10 minutes. You should be good. You guys got this.

All right. So one thing we, not really talked about at all before was that during the dark age of technology, all of the worlds that were colonized by mankind during the golden age fell. And we usually refer to this as like, oh, well, the emperor got to another galaxy and encountered this. Yes and no. Some of them were actually in Seoul. In fact, the emperor had to, when he came, actually all of them were, when the emperor came out of Terra, he had to reconquer his own galaxy. We discussed, you know, Mars was pretty easy. They just made a deal where he pretended to be the Omnisiah.

But all the rest of them involved a rather aggressive approach, some easier than others. One of the hardest, I'm mad at you, GW. One of the hardest was Neptune. It could have been Uranus. And they could have said the hardest fight in the entire galaxy was the fight for Uranus. And they could have written that down and everyone would have enjoyed it. But no, they went with Neptune. It's lame, it's lame, GW.

Straight up lame. That's a golden joke and everyone, and no one would have not appreciated it. So, but talk about Neptune because this was a big turning point for the Ninth Legion. This place is awful. That's why Neptune's human inhabitants, no one knows what happened,

but they were massively mutated, like, you know, 28 days later, zombie style. All the things that run at you in doom. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is it. So the emperor sends the Ninth Legion to pacify the planet, which means kill every single thing there. The problem is, and he did this, by the way, to every single planet that was there.

Neptune was unique, though, because these mutants on Neptune had actually built a massive underground network of tunnels that connected their fortresses together, which were so deep and fortified that they were impervious to orbital guns. also a big thing on this, the emperor, especially the planets and soul, was a big no-no. We're taking these back. Yeah, we're not cracking this in half. He could have blown Neptune up. So the 9th Legion had to go in basically by hand. And good thing for them, they were of the legions. It depends.

If you're reading a Blood Angels book, then the 9th Legion was the most adept at close combat fighting. If you're reading a world eater's book, it's them. If you're reading a space wolf's book, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But anyway, the Ninth Legion descend on full force on the mutants of Neptune. And the surface is pretty easy. They mop the surface pretty quick. But when they go down into the subterranean, this got ugly. So ugly that actually at one point, the Ninth Legion went dark.

The Emperor, all of us stopped hearing from them completely. fearing the worst, the emperor sent over and diverted forces to go and either find, basically find his lost legion. And just as they're arriving in orbit, they get the message back up that, hey, we did it. All done. And all the mutants are dead. But they lost. Wow. Probably, yeah, I mean, they said they lost about 12,000 of their own.

at this stage, that's probably over 10% of the Legion dies. And, you know, no words, by the way, are ever said of what happened down there. Just that some, they went dark. They went dark for a little bit. And then they came out of it. And we're going to cover the black rage later. But that's my opinion of what happened on Neptune is they took these catastrophic losses that triggered the black rage, which is why they stopped communicating, because when a blood

angel's under the black rage, they're in a, they're not in a big tuckie tough. Yeah, they're not writing anything down in their journal. Yeah. But anyway, what's, it becomes, fascinating to me about this is this battle ends, and the blood angels need to refill their legion, because they've just lost like 10% of it. They actually turned to the people of Neptune, just like the emperor had done on terror with them and begin recruiting. Yeah.

So apparently there were still some people on Neptune who weren't super mutants. It's not clear on this, by the way. I also say this doesn't get cleared at all in the stories. It's just they went, hey, we had to fight this planet of mutants. And then we replenished our ranks. And they kind of let that go. You're like, from the place with the mutants? Yeah.

So were there just some random people you found in there who were like, yeah, we've been hiding here for 10,000 years. Glad you guys are here. We're not mutants or they did do the mutants. Anyway, it's not clear. at all. Yeah. Brett alluded to earlier the story arc of the Blood Angels. At this point, we're getting past Neptune, and the Ninth Legion are just horrifically violent.

They were horrifically violent on Terra. They were horrifically violent on Neptune. And as they go out into the galaxy, them and world eaters start becoming almost an issue with the level of violence that they're using. Well, it becomes a big deal because of the fact, one, it's obviously, it's wrong and this and that. But it's also a big deal because they become known for this. You can't sell your Great Crusade, your unification of the fact that the Emperor is creating. His whole thing, I'm conquering the galaxy to make a better place. You can't say I'm making a better place when the crazies are here. Well, the problem is the crazies also weren't that selective

of who they attack. So we'll talk about Ki-B-B-U-R-A-N. If I pronounce that Kaibur-B-U-R-A-N, if I pronounce that Kai Buren. So this was again, always a fun one. It's an irradiated world full of cannibal mutants, ruled over by a techno-barbarian. So it's an 80s movie. I have this on VHS for sure.

Yeah, this is an 80s made for TV movie that Brad watches his little shit going, this is so good. I want to watch this again. Anyway, so they send the Imperial Army over, which is Imperial Guard and Navy, and they land on the and they just get slaughtered by these mutants.

So the emperor says, cool, 9th Legion time, and they send these over. Again, just like on Neptune, they run into a pretty big problem because this, the techno barbarian who's ruling the planet has what appears to be an infinite number of mutants. And so the 9th Legion start with early success, but just get overwhelmed because it is a 300 to 1 ratio. Yeah, there's a never-ending hoard of these aliens. Yeah, being a good super, being a super soldier is adorable. It's not just not going to hold up when you have to kill 50 people with each swing of a chain.

Also, what is the story, they talk about the fact that these guys do not care if they take damage. So it's in, you have to kill them. Full speed. Yeah. They do not care if you could chop off their arms. They're just like, they don't retreat. They don't retreat. Yeah, so the Ninth Legion does something that no Space Marine Legion likes to.

They retreat. And they move back and they move over to. what they call strategic engagements, which means a 9th Legion would do a lightning strike on one section of the mutant army, kill as many as they possibly can, and then bail out. And they do this for a decade,

which I need to also point out, GW timetables here get really goofy. This makes no sense because none of the engagement takes that long for anybody else. Yeah, this one takes a decade. Whatever. It just says it, and I was like, all right, What ends up happened, the reason this story is more important is that during this decade-long battle, I have no idea why, they got completely isolated from the Imperium and couldn't resupply.

Don't know why, because the mutants, it's just on a planet, but we'll skip that. And during this element, the apothecaries of the 9th Legion tell them, hey, these, our opponents, eat the dead. We should do that too, so we don't starve to death. That's just what they did. We do have an entire successor chapter called Flesh eaters, but continue. Also the blood drinkers. And it was about six of them. They're terrible names.

So as a story goes, I just think this is lame. As a story goes, the Ninth Legion is able to refill their energy by eating all these mutants, and they can keep the pressure on Kyburan. The same time, though, it also cements their reputation as angels of death. Because just like on Neptune, there were some random humans on. this planet who were just hanging out. Also, how were they doing it? Yeah, and they had their iPhone cameras available.

So they filmed, you know, these massive humans eating, killing the monsters, then eating them. Who wasn't, they were saying they were, they were killing monsters, they were killing other people. They also, yeah, they also would raid these random villages of humans at night and kill and eat some of them, too. So it was, it's interesting, at this stage, the Ninth Legion's, I would argue worse than the night lords. Oh, these guys are terrible.

Yeah. They're a little heavy-handed on the incorruptible sins of the blood, the Bloody, the Knight Legion at this time, is just pure evil. Pure evil. Yeah. And what ends up happening as, because this is, Kaburon's one example, this happens over and over and over again. And it's not surprising that the Legion made up of criminals and mutants maybe doesn't

behave as well as some of the other ones. But over time, this cannibalism and this horror begins to affect the other legions to the point where a lot of the other legions didn't want to be anywhere near them. Like they actually, they would, they would either refuse to take part and engage in the Ninth Legion was present, or if the Ninth Legion was present, they would actually just basically pull back. I mean, Rogal Dorn, for example, watched members of the Ninth Legion, kill and eat prisoners. It was on top of basically, there was a fortification they were trying to get through. And then Lionth Legion pulled out a bunch of people they captured, murdered them and

ate them in front of the opposition. And Rogel Dorn had to have a little chat chat with the Ninth Legion about, like, I will murder all of you. And if they don't find Sanguinius at this point in time, I think that the Ninth Legion, not even the Blount Angels this time, just the Ninth Legion. Yeah, we would have had 17 legions. Right. It gets set out to pass. Master.

For sure. We're done. So luckily for them, there's a primark sighting. So let's talk about their primark sanguineas. Like everybody else, Sanguineas was, you know, teleported out of his gestation pod and thrown onto some planet to tempt him for chaos. And actually, he didn't even landed a planet. He landed on a moon, Ball 2, which is called Volsacundus.

Ball Secundus. I should just call it ball two through the whole thing. I'll be nice to the Blood Angels fans and I just ruin them. It's not bold two. It is ball two. Anyway, ball sits in it. It's a ball of a system because there's ball, there's ball one and ball two. So ball primus and ball secundas.

They all sit in the ultimate segmentum, which is the right side of the galaxy. It's just where all the trash fires are. It's where everything is going down. The tau, I mean, this is before the tau. This is before the tyranids, but both. them started over there. The orcs are already over there, and we discover later as a ton of Necron tomb roads over there as well. So Ball was a system that was colonized during the golden age of technology. However, it was, the humans that settled it were not the first

inhabitants. We don't know anything about them. We just know that there was a xeno race who was long died out before the humans ever got there. So for whatever reason, the humans were able to read their relics and adopted this religion of the Zenos who'd been there. And their religion was the belief that there were two angels that existed who were fighting for control of the Imitarium. And I don't really know if like the Zenos, if one, if there were two worships, like one were on team good and one were on team bad, or if they were just worshipping the struggle of them.

I'm assuming it's a second, but they never make it clear. Absolutely not. Yeah. Anyway, the people of Ball over time, fully adopt this. This becomes their religion, and it sits all the way through the dark age of technology, which did not go well for Ball. You are correct, sir.

It didn't go great. So Ball was a planet and two moons at the start of the dark age of technology. At the end of the Dark Age of Technology, the planet was Mars, in the fact that it was just complete, absolute wasteland. One of the moons was basically an irradiated wasteland. And the second one was also an irradiated wasteland, but still had a few settlers on it. In other words, the people at GW saw Mad Max, not even beyond Thunderdown. I'm talking Mad Max and maybe a little bit of road warrior and went, yep, we're writing that for a planet without the cars. So the people of Ball Secundus, which is whatever it is, are a nomadic,

people that are trying to survive by finding things in the wasteland, while at the same time avoiding massive chunks of radiation, horrifying storms, and the funnest part, mutants. Because there's all, it's just fallout. You're right, you're right, it's also as fallout. But it's well beyond, but well before fallout. Yeah. As a theme, it's among, you know, amongst all the planets of chaos gods and the prime marks, they pick one that will tempt them to chaos.

So Magnus and Lorgar were sent somewhere with power and knowledge. Mortarian and Curz sent to just torture and pain. Everyone went to conflict and strife. Maybe a couple didn't, but anyway, ball is no different. But it's sanguineous. So sanguineas is a baby. Shout out to Zoobes. He hates Sanguineas so much.

Does he really? Yeah, I'm with him on this one. He's bananas. I mean, I have to admit, he is ridiculously O.P. Because his stats are maxed in, yes. Yeah, I mean, Sanguineas is a wild character. So Sanguinius is found as a baby. A nomadic tribe finds it.

But when they kind of go to pick him up, they discover he has giant wings on his back. Angel wings. Yeah, angel wings. It's white feathers, not, you know, bat wings, which is what Conrad would have had. So they assume he's a mutant and they're about to murder him when they decide to not do that and instead adopt him. I'll be honest, given the power we were just talking about of sanguaneous, I think if they tried to stab him, he would have just, the infant sanguess would have murdered all of them. Yeah, exactly.

It wouldn't have worked. So it's kind of like, oh, they chose not to kill him. It's entirely possible. I love the fact that they don't even make a big deal about the fact that his psionics, his psychic abilities, because he's, everything else is so appeased. you're like, oh, yeah, he's also got that. I actually kind of wonder if they came upon this baby, like surrounded by a bunch of other dead nomads

because the first group did try to kill him. It's a monster. They're all dead. Next one goes, yeah, let's give it a chance. So anyway, cool thing on Sanguonius. He's the only one I'm aware of, and correct me if I'm wrong in the Discord, where they do discuss how fast he ages.

Nighthunter had that too, because he landed and got discarded and started hunting immediately as a child. Okay, so you have two of them. Because, yeah, the thing was with detail, they say it's about three months old, Sanguinius was a, like, full-sized child who was walking around. And within a year, he was as tall as a man and just, and speaking like a normal adult. So within the two years, he was a full-sized prime mark, which is probably for a group of people

living in an irradiated wasteland. He's a four-time multiple to everyone around him. It would be my guess, with giant wings. Angel Wings That don't do me He also has Random flowing hair He's a rock star with angel

Well okay This game was written in the late 80s I'm just saying Everyone everyone had Fobbyo Everyone in the early 90s Had a flowing hair Except for you

I had You tried what I'm saying No I did then Did you Oh did you Oh I had longer You straightened Did you do the straightener?

Oh no I made Rockstar Curly did You did Oh, yeah. Your mom and sister are helping with, like, helping you with, like, they were.

If you guys don't know that's anyone you know who's over 50 and as American, or actually, or British, you can mess with them on this one. Because if they had sisters, they usually had their sisters help them with their hair care routine. Am I correct? I'm not saying anything about this.

There we go. Just saying my mom and I have the same hair for a while. Oh, God. It's all right. It's okay. If you were in your 60s, I could buy you put you on. So how many perms have you had?

Didn't need him. Straight curly, baby. Oh, God. All right. And then I was born. Yeah, and then, oh. We'll be right back after a quick break. So, some of the fun parts about Sanguinius' powers is he's just so overpowered.

I mean, it's like, the moon's, so the ball two, I'm doing that, by the way now, is massively irradiated in areas. And seriously, so just walk into those areas, grass. the gear if one wanted to walk out. My favorite one, he would break rocks with his bare hands. I don't know when that would come up, but apparently he's out there just yelling, yelling judo chop and breaking and breaking boulders.

Also, my favorite one, he could fell a wild beast with just a look. That was written down somewhere. You know what is never written down anywhere? What these wild beasts are? Also, it has to be a bummer. Again, he's a

powerful psychic. Yeah. And they barely make reference to it. He's just dropping people with his psychic powers. But he's like, I had to read this note. He fells wild beasts. The only animal they ever refer to on ball is the giant rats or fire scorpion. Anyway, it's just.

He's just murdering squirrels like a madman. The whole time that I'm reading this, by the way, the I'm a lumberjack and it's okay was playing in my head. You know, like on Wednesday, sanguineas has gone shopping as buttered scones for tea. Oh, yeah, he also could fly. Ply just to start a bit. Not with his wings. Not with his psychic powers, which just total side note, if none of you have seen Pete Holmes

playing Professor Xavier. Firing all of the X-Men. But especially firing Angel, watch that, look at Sanguinius, get a good kid. Freaking bird! Yeah, freaking bird. Don't do you want some seeds.

The wings. are 100% I just wanted to look cool. Yeah, his wings, his wings are pure aesthetic. An important piece, though, because this matters to his legion, he did suffer from the Black Rage,

though. And the story on that's important. So one day he and his tribe of merry men are wandering around and they get surprised by a bunch of feral mutants who attack. Sanguineas, fearing that is a family, effectively,

you're about to get killed, just blows into this rage and killed over a hundred of them in like an instant. And they don't say how, it may have most been psychic. I mean, you don't know how he killed them. He just, he just wrecks them. Well, he has huge remorse on all these things because also sanguineas is probably the most

compassionate of all of the primarks. Not saying much. True. True story. He's the most compassion of the murder machines. He's an amazing speaker, you know, he's eloquent. He also is no. known for thinking through things before they get done.

In comparison. Yes, but I'm just saying, like, even when he, we'll talk about him when he leads his Legion. And just the way he thinks he is. Yeah. And so over time, like all the primark, Sanguineas becomes the leader of the entire planet, or in this case, Moon. He exterminates effectively all the mutants. Okay. Some, everybody, well, most everybody will crochet on some of them.

Almost every primer dominated his planet. Yeah. this goes next level, dude. Come on. Versus the lion? It's the same story. The lion was the ruler and the Lord. Sanguinius is a minor deity now.

So was the lion. I mean, not to Luther, but to Luther. Hymns was more of the camel up, though. He had the circle of, you know, we're all equals. And then he just gave the wink. We're all equals. We're totally equal. Yes, I'm three of all of you.

But we're equal. We're equal. You know, you guys know that if you banded together, I wouldn't care, right? Yeah, yeah. Cool, cool, cool. You guys, yeah, I also could take all of you in a fight and replace all of you tomorrow. Right now. It wouldn't even matter.

And no one. Against the Nuttless monkey. Exactly. So one interesting thing about the emperor, sorry, one of the thing about Sanguinius is when the emperor arrived, there's really not any story around it. Because Sanguinius also. was a precoc and knew this was going to happen.

It suddenly is a precog, but all he needs is a moment with the emperor, because they effectively have the psychic mind meld. They communicate, and they say that they give the thing where in just a look, they knew their past, they knew what was going on, and he immediately signs on. Although what's an interesting flip, though, on that, as much as that went that way, sanguinius doesn't take over his legion right away.

Instead, he actually, he meets his legion and he then says, I'll be back. And he leaves. And he leaves to go study under Horace. Because at this point, Horace has, because Horace was the first primark found, correct? The first one? No. It's all, the order that they are is the order that they got found on stuff. Okay.

Horace was just the best. Horace was just the best out. Okay. That's what I'm doing. I mean, Horace is the, because they did the whole Horace, Civil War and everything's on. Yeah. Horace is the best and everything. Sanguinis is the most O.P.

compassionate everything. He does everything. Jagadikon exists. So the interesting thing about the Horace one is that him and Horace bond really heavily. To be a point, they become basically best friends. That's also Horace is, every prime kid is a superpower. Horace is his charisma and he can make any big. But they really, but, you know, but Horace like him.

Back. True. But I'm just saying a lot of times you're not real sure if you are, you are best friends. That's a good point. He made you be best friends. In this one, what I say, it's Horace openly later admits. Like, Sanguinius was one of his best friends. Fun stories, Sanguinius also became really close with Abadon at the same period of time.

By the way, so crazy because Abidon's such a douche at the time. Yeah. But Sanguinius was just, well, but Sanguiz was impressed with Abidon on the battlefield. Oh, he's awesome. He's also, even then, he's an amazing. leader. If you want someone to get something done, the Don is just done. It's just done. So let's then jump into actually Sanguinius at that point comes back to his Legion and takes control. And he is a just true paragon for the 9th Legion. So this is for every space marine has a genetic

imprint that makes them loyal to all their prime mark. But I'll be honest, but Sanguinius, I think they needed it. His charisma was insane. Read his book. His book he gives the greatest pep talk speech. Yeah. And he just shows up and he tells them, I'm not, I refuse to be your leader until you think I'm worthy

of being your leader. He also randomly memorizes all of their names. And there's like a hundred thousand of these. So he goes and individually meets people. Yeah. He's the,

he's insanity the good guy. Which, by the way, how long that would take? Yes. Like, I just want to put, like, it's like, you know, 100,000 seconds is a lot of time. It's like, if it's one second per.

So I'm just pointing out. like, anyway, it's not important. The other thing, though, that's interesting is that the blood raids that had been building throughout the Legion went away. His mere presence, yeah. All the cannibalism, all that stuff just disappeared. Because Space Jesus took away your sense. He's, he effectively, it takes it upon himself.

Now, this is a big thing, and they say this in the novel itself. He does suffer a bunch because he gets a psychic, effectively backlash from all the, the things that they've done or everything else. So sanguinis goes through the trials to basically get his Legion back. Sure. He's a pretty bad dude, man. The books are good. I just,

I know. I get why people don't. He is a huge Mary Sue because he's so, you know, there's Horace who's here. But like, besides Horace, he is so bananas OP. Yeah, there was just, it just, there's a lot of. writing around them. But anyway, post-Sanguinius joining the Ninth Legion, now they are the Blood Angels. And this is where the tactics change, everything changes. And they come much more aligned with what modern Blood Angels are. They're still uber violent in combat, but not,

they've moved away from the world leader's night lord's era to actually being precision. They are, when they, when they lightning strike, they hit with a force of a hammer, but with the care of a scalpel. So they're no longer. longer just ripping through anything in everyone who's even remotely near the target, they're actually winning engagements, they're able to follow a battle plan and other people can take part of them. From a lore standpoint, though, one of the most important pieces that come up later is sanguinius was viewed as the most loyal or trustworthy of all of them. So he was very close friends with Horace Lehman and Jagatai. He was closest with Horace, actually.

but that was just his friendship. Gilliman refers to Sanguinius of one of only four primarks he trusted. The lion spoke openly, constantly, about how fond he was of Sanguineus, because he viewed him as an equal when it came to like nobility and honor. Sanguiz always does the right thing. Even Angron liked him, mostly because Sanguania could beat people up pretty good.

I don't think Lorgar liked him. I'm going to throw that one out there. I don't think Lorgar liked Sanguania. He was really just jealous. Well, actually, that is wildly 100% because Lorgar wanted to worship the emperor. And the emperor's favorite pretty much was sanguinius. Or Horus. Yeah, I'm saying that it's the.

Yeah. Whereas it, you know who was not his favorite? Lorgar. Lorgar. Or Jagatai. He was out of the 18 prime marks, he was 17, 18, 22nd. So let's dive into, you know, the blood angels and the Harris. So before the official outbreak of the heresy,

Horace and his other, like, plotters sat down to make their plan. And one of the most important piece of the plan was who they could turn and who they couldn't. And Horace immediately says, someone has to kill Sanguinius. Also, he said, not only do we have to kill them, we have to get rid of him because him and while he's alive, his Legion, will never turn. Exactly. So what's interesting about this, though, is at this stage,

there's a keeper of secrets named Kyris, who's part of their little, you know, a pack of conspirators. And Kyris is an interesting, is it because as a keeper of secrets. Chiris is in it for himself, or herself, actually, or whatever, itself.

Let's call it that way. Chiris first taunts Horace, claiming that Horace is only, is, only wants to kill Sanguania's because he's afraid. that if sanguinius were to turn to chaos, the chaos gods would actually honor Sanguinius more than Horace, because Sanguess is more powerful than him. Horace literally ignores him, by the way,

and moves on with his day. But Horace knows something. Years earlier, Horace had walked in on sanguinius killing a blood angel. And he'd do me because this blood angel had to succumb to the red thirst and was consuming a random person. And so Sanguius killed him because he had to. And told Horace at this point about, the flaw in their genes seed.

Horace never told anybody, but obviously it was his knowledge for him. And then at the time of the heresy, he uses it to his advantage. So Horace tells Sanguania, there's a xeno incursion on effectively the other side of the galaxy from Seoul. Weird that the dark angel space wolves and blood angels all got sent to Guam. Yeah, yeah. The last exit in the left. Go there.

Keep going. Yeah. Don't worry. You didn't miss it. Keep driving. But what he tells him is not only these Zeno's killing imperial citizens, but they have highly technologically advanced. And he, I don't know how he says the big, he tells him with their technology could help you cure the red thirst. And the thing which just believes this for no good reason, but it's fine.

Well, one of the few flaws that Bigel Senguini has had is he is known to be wildly trusting of his brothers. Yeah. Like this, it doesn't even had occurred to him for a while. while than any of this could ever happen. Well, I mean, it occurs him pretty quickly when he gets there. No, I'm saying before. Because they had... Because let's just say,

Senguinius gets caught up in the plan pretty quick. Because he does make basically excuses for every one of his brothers at some point in time. Oh, yeah, you're right. Every time someone is rightfully about to kill one of the prime arcs for being a jackass, saying when he's like, hold up. Let's not do it right now. Like, cough, cough, angron over and over and over. Exactly.

Yeah, that's true. Like, multiple times. He saved Angron. You're looking back on, like, way to go, jackass. Anyway, as soon as the Blangels arrive in this system, this massive warp storm just enveloped. The entire, like, they are blind to anything but the system. But there's space marines and they're automaton's. So they're like, well, we're still here to do something.

And they just go down to the planet to go do that thing. as soon as they, but the problem with that planet is it's not Xenos incursions, it's demons. And they bombard them from space. Does nothing. Does nothing. So they do plan B, which is grab chain sword and go down there. And as they're fighting on the planet, there's really nothing. They're not really doing anything of value.

They're telling endless demons and new ones are spawning. That the keeper of secrets, Chiris, who is awesome. so here reaches out to Sanguinius directly and challenging Sanguinius to come and fight. Effectively, by the way, telling Sanguinius all the truth at this moment in time of like, you know, you were betraying you come, you know, and. Oh, he's trying to bait him into coming. Well, he's also trying to demoralize him because he tells, you know, your brothers are leaving you. You, no one wants you.

Yeah, no one wants you. And the Imperium is going to fail because of you. And so Sanguinius gets pissed off, grabs a bunch of his buddies, and then goes to a hack Kyrus, as soon as he lands a very important figure. When he lands on the X? The giant X in the ground? Yeah. It's clearly a trap.

He lands and a massive bloodthirster comes out of the ground named Cabanda. Because the truth is, corn wanted San Guineas. Badly. Very badly. And so it's actually, I'm not even sure if Cabanda and Kairas were in cahoots together. It almost feels like in the story that Chiris was trying to tempt Sanguinius in the way a key pair of secrets would tempt them. And as soon as Sanguinius landed, corn sent his best bloodthirster, Cabanda, to go and just beat Sanguineas into joining

corn. And that's kind of what happens. Cabanda kind of beats up Sanguinius. Sanguiz stabs him and Cabanda uses a whip. Well, there's more to him that because he gets, he gets distracted. you know, there's a bunch of stuff going on. Come on. There's stuff going on that's more important than the bloodthirster in front of you. Boo. Just pointing it out. Read the book.

I know. So Cabanda uses his whip and knocks Sanguinius the ground crushing his legs. That's a thing. After Sanguinius had ran him through with his sword. Yeah, it didn't work at it. Anyway, as soon as Sanguiz lands on the ground, Cabanda then runs off in the other direction. kills 500 space marines in like an instant. Once he has sanguitis on the ground, he effectively just tells him, watch me.

And goes off and kills all these guys. The death of all these, you know, his children effectively overwhelms Sanguine Sanguineus's brain and the psychic trauma knocks him unconscious. So he does that like movie like faint where he like wipes his forehead and passes out. As soon as he does that, this triggers. something in his legion and that something is the black rage well it is pretty good though because who yeah so the entirety of the blood angel legion that's there begin to lash out and attack anything that's not a blood angel fun story on that there were space wolves here past tense there were also humans here

past tense they all get slaughtered the good news is they do successfully kill you know almost every demon. While this is happening, a few blood angel librarians rush over and use their psychic powers to wake Sanguinius up. Sanguinius wakes up to his entire legion in a blood rage, slaughtering anything around them.

And Sanguiniac just goes, yeah, Cabanda did that, and goes and beats the ever-living hell. Oh, he wrecks this. Yeah, out of Caban. I mean, Cabanda, I think, did make them a mistake. We were like, this guy's not that tough. And then took full bore, Sanguinea.

banished back into the warp, but the blood rage doesn't stop amongst his legion until every last demon is killed. At that point, Chiris starts laughing and reaches out to Sanguineas and effectively taunts him by saying, you know, your Legion already is chaos. Look at it and offers him a deal and says, if you, the primark, will fully give yourself over to your rage and step through this portal, because it's always a portal, I will cure your legion. Everyone's, everyone's cured. And Sanguinius goes, okay, and steps forward into the portal. And as he does it, his apothecary shoves him out of the way.

Again, he's half the size, but whatever, and jumps through the portal first. The story is actually pretty cool. The book's called Fear to Tread. So go ahead and read Fear to Tread. This is a whole chat between Sanguinius and the apothecate. But anyway, Sanguineas does not give himself over to chaos. At this same moment, this is enough of an action to kind of reduce the warp storm where a message comes through and it's Rogel Dorn. Everyone's favorite, primar.

Because the power in the real space is on things that are happening. Yeah. Devastation. Whatever your feelings are that is the thing. He quelled enough of that. He calmed his own rage. Yeah. His rage calms down.

He also took out an entire demon encouraging. Also, he didn't fall to the excess and the lure. So all of this reduces the power of chaos in this region. So it does dissipate. And he gets the message in from Dorn, saying Horace has betrayed us. He has allies. We need you at Terra. Because they're going to come kill the emperor.

So Sanguinius grabs his entire legion that are still left alive, by the way, because a lot of them are dead. Grads with life and jumps. back into Terra. So fun part about this journey back to Terra. There is a incredible warp storm happening, not just where Sanguinius was, but throughout the entire galaxy.

They credit Erebus for this, but it's really just the chaos gods. Well, the thing is, the warbstorms are strategically located to block the greatest champions of the Imperium from getting back to defend. And we talked before. The Astronomicon is a giant lighthouse.

But like any lighthouse, further you get from it, the harder it is to see. And a bigger, the storm, you can't see it. So as soon as they get into the ships to triangulate and go back to Terra, the navigators still saying, we can't see it. Like, we don't, like, we're not sure. They're also in the middle of, effectively, a hurricane. And so they basically pick what they think is their right-ish direction and head that way, hoping to see a light. They were not right. Well, they were. They were going the right direction. But meanwhile, while they're going. Ish. Ish. There is a, they get the glimpse of.

a light and they believe this is the astronomical. So they turn all the ships and they beeline as fast as they can to this. And as soon as they get close, they translate out of the warp and find themselves not in soul, but an Ultramar. And luckily, Gilliman and the lion are waiting for them there, saying, hey, we have to chat. What happened was, we covered this a while ago. The ultramarines found an old Necron relic in their system. Big fight goes on, blah, blah, blah.

they blow the relic up. When they blow the relic up, it creates effectively a supernova within the warp of light. And this is what the blood animals were following. Fun story on that, it's also what fan theory is what brought the tyrannids of the galaxy. Because it was such a bright flash that it actually extended beyond the Milky Way. Into dark space. Yeah. And things in the dark space saw this and went, that's probably food. And big end that way. So this next bit's kind of funny. Funny because it is important, but a super messed up story. Gilliman has a plan.

And his plan is effectively that they don't know if the emperor is alive or dead. To be fair, they also see what they consider three of the top five guys or three of the top five legions. And they're not defending Tara. So there's decent chance that everybody's, we lost. Yeah, right. Because they don't know. Remember, the warps room is so powerful, they can't see the Astronomicon. And so Gilliman has a plan.

His plan is effectively, and by the way, it's a good plan because Gilleman always has good plans. I like Gelleman, and I'm right about this. His plan was the form a new Imperium called Imperium Secondus, not Imperium 2, what it should have been, but Imperium Secondis. And the plan is basically, we're going to all sit right here. We're going to go to the store. We're going to buy as many boots of mighty ass kicking as they have. We're going to go put on said boots. And then we're going to go beat the crap out of Horace.

Yep. Effectively, so Imperium Secundus was not meant to replace the emperor. It was meant to honor the emperor by beating the ever-living hell out of whoever killed the emperor. But this is a hugely detailed plan because it really did make a new imperialist. Oh, yeah, because it wasn't just meant to be a, like, a sacrifice. He was going to honor the emperor by finishing the work he'd started. They were going to go, again, step one, beat the hell out of Horace and his buddies. But step two was going to be continue forming the Imperium and growing it all the way out.

Which is hilarious in this story because, well, you're effectively saying we're going to choose a supreme leader. That never works out bad. Well, but again, Gilliman, because he's awesome, did this right. Right. Gilman writes out, we need a new emperor and immediately says, as the guy writing the plan that calls for a new leader, that leader can't be me. Because whenever that person is me, that's always a dictator. He gets called up by the lion. He's like, so are you going to lead this? And they start arguing. He goes, no, it'll be sanguine. And the lion immediately goes, well, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Never mind. You know what? I take that back. I think that Matt.

This is a good point. Anyway, Gilman didn't argue. No, of course, like me. It's going to be sanguine. It was like, there's no pause there. It was just, yeah, it's that guy. And everyone went, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's clearly the best.

So I do like this. Technically, the emperor was not dead, by the way, yet. Sanguineus was now the leader of a coupet. That's true. This was a full-blown coup dut. But oopsies. And they realize this pretty quickly because we're knocking into it now. The books are really good.

They also randomly capture Conrad Kerr. is during this period of time. And after... Who, as usual, Conrad accidentally helps the Imperium. Yeah, but he probably was doing it on purpose. Conrad's a goofy. Because he talks shit about, yeah. About the fact that you're not going to be able to save the emperor.

And they all three go, the emperor is still alive and go, well, looks like we're leaving right now. Right. And that's a great part of that story. But Sanguinius was also a precog. True. I mean, it's like, like, in their story, like Conrad's, they're like, well, thanks to Conrad, we now know the emperor is still alive.

And then he goes, oh, yeah, I'm also a precog, and I also could tell he was alive. It's like, well, why are you here? So Imperium Secundus gets thrown into the garbage, and all three primarks take three different routes, basically back to Terra. Like bananas also. And I'm not going to get into it.

There's a book called Ruinstorm, which gives you all the stories of the process of them going from one spot of the galaxy to, well, one of them makes it in time. the others don't. It's the, it's the Blen angels. It's the Blenthal's making it in time. Spoiler. Before they go, though, we need to tell a quick story about a really cool model with, I do hate

the hair. But anyway, it's called the sanguador. This is a rando, wild side story. I think I meant to say the Holy Spirit, but continue. Yeah. All right. So as soon as Sanguinius is elected in like two seconds, all of, people around him were concerned for his safety because they were worried, like a traitor assassin would try to kill him

because the truth is he's just a primark. He's not the emperor of mankind. He is killable. But also, it's a big deal because they don't have, there was sanguineous, and then there was a giant Grand Canyon chasm of who would be better in this spot. Yeah. You know, so they're like, if this guy isn't here anymore, we are in real trouble. And so sanguine, the sanguineas and every chapter master ever has there written.

Retune. What is this word? You got it right the first time. It's retinue? It's not retune. It is not retune, whatever. That accompany him everywhere. In this case, they were called the sanguinary guards.

And they're meant to represent both the best warriors and the best strategic thinkers. And their idea here is really dumb. So they all get together, ten of them, and they draw straws. And of the ten straws, two the straws have blood on them. So after they do that, the two guys hold them. the blood straws, the other eight leave. One of them is chosen. His name is Allotron.

And in order to protect Alatron's true identity, they have Alatron kill the other guy. That makes no sense. Yeah, I don't know what he's, like, you could told everyone, hey, that's Alitron. I love the, I love most of the lore. They have no. This is the kind of thing you do if you're like, well, what if someone got a hold of his family and held his family hostage? His family are the blood angels.

Like, there's no reason to do. do this. So anyway, he kills the other dude. But then they also decide to hide his identity even further by taking a massive golden helmet that has curly blonde hair, like perm style. I didn't have a perm. You did have a perm, didn't? No, I didn't. Really? I have wildly curly hair if I had hair. So you were, you were born in 72. 71, thank you. You're born in 70. You're born in 71. You're telling me your mom never gave you a perm. No. Okay. My hair's bananas currently. She's a, well, none of us would ever know.

I've never known you with hair. I've had one centimeter of hair the entire time. I'm not even sure. Has anyone in 40K seen you with long hair? No. Because you started playing in late 90s? You had about 30 when you started playing Warhammer? Mm-hmm.

I was 29 when I started. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, not important. So anyway, they heat this helmet with a perm on it all the way up until it's white hot and then place it on Allotron. head so it fuses to his skull permanently. All of this is so bananas.

Yes. And then this is so that he can be the herald for sanguinius. But luckily, it's a secret. And also, is he supposed to look like sanguine? I don't, that's why the thing I haven't asked him to sanguine. It's like, was he supposed to look like sanguineous? The sanguinary story now is cool. The sanguinary story in the inception makes no sense.

Yeah. So anyway, fast forward on the sanguador story while the blood angels are going back to Terra, they end up stuck on Daven because, of course, it's where they would go, which for those don't remember, that's where Horace was converted to chaos, was on Daven, and they're fighting a greater demon force, blah, blah, blah, greater demon tries to pull Sanguineus into the Imitarium, and before he can do it, Alatron, who is, you know, the sanguanor at this moment rushes in, tackles the demon and slams it into the Imitarium with it. Pull the, he just pulls him into the war.

Yeah, and as he goes down, Sanguineus looks and watches a sanguinar, and, and watches a sanguonore, convert over from Allotron to... The sanguinar. It's the spirit. Yeah. And he shows up... On the game, he shows up all the time. In the lore, the sanguador shows up when the blood angels need them.

Yeah. And the sanguinar, so at this point, the sanguars kind of cool, because the sanguinar converts over to being, like, it's just this mythical being that does appear randomly. And to Brad's point, it's either when he's most needed or when... when they, like, they're most deserving. So there was a story I like where 12 blood angels were leading a strike on a night lord battle barge. So when we say leading strike, I mean, there are 12 blood angels fighting through a battle barge, which they don't, to be fair,

they don't define how large a battle barge is, but it's more than three rooms. Yes. You might even go with several. Yeah, full of night lord space marines. And, and, and all of their followers. And demons. Yeah, and demons. And this is all because they don't explain why it was a penance, that they're basically either trying to die effectively to show their penance. I don't get the reason.

But anyway, the sanguineur shows up and fights by their side, and they end up fighting the entire way through the ship and killing the commander. Although of the 12, 11 of them die, but still pretty cool. the next one I like about the sanguinar because Cabanda comes up a lot. Space Marines are fighting. He is pretty pissy about all of this. But this story is just more funny

because it's classic, you know, GW writing when they write it well. The Blood Angels are fighting orcs on a planet called Cartus. While fighting the orcs, a portal opens and a bunch of demons of corn come flying out led by Cabanda.

Cabanda just kills, instantly kills the cats. captain of the squad and turns to just go rip through the remaining blood angels, at which point, as his blade comes down on them, it's parried with the appearance of the sanguanor. And these two go and through a pretty big fight, but it ends with the sanguanor running Cabanda through with his sword, firing off his jetpack, taking Cabanda effectively into lower orbit, and then is dropping him. Yeah, he archaos him out of nowhere. Yeah, from orbit. Super cool. So, and that's, that's the sanguinar story. The sanguinar comes up a lot

like in the later parts of the lore, but I just like those two stories. I'm going to help a few of you out. I'm going to kill a demon. So, anyway, back to Terra. Sanguineas and the blood angels make it in time to help out Rogel Dorn and really get everything prepped. If you want to know

more about how they did it, you can listen to our early cast and the heresy, but I will say Sanguineus decides to go on the ultimate I don't have any bubblegum, so I guess I'll just kick some ass journey. He does go on the ass kicking paloosa. I mean, also, while he rallies people multiple times when things were just looking terrible, I don't know, maybe when you take your arch nemesis and you fly above the walls.

Yeah, let's go through what sanguinius does, like sanguinius's journey and work ethic on the siege of terror. So he starts off with this massive speech to all of the, of the space marines, not just his legion, all legions, all the guardsmen, and just gets these guys, he does tell them, anyone who wants to go home, you guys can leave right now. He gets them the, today is not this day. But he's kind of, I laugh there because he's like, if you guys don't want to be here, I understand you're welcome to leave. And by the way, leave would be walk out the gates to where all the gates.

It's like your options are stand on the wall and defend the wall or just walk through the wall and die. I don't get it. But anyway, that's not important. It's a good speech and everyone gets to get super amped up. He then, shortly thereafter, cuts the head off a Reaver Titan that's just wandering through. Still don't know how that's possible, by the way. It would take a long. It's not a small head.

Cabanda shows up, beats the ever-living hell out of Cabanda. He breaks his spine over his knee. Wait for it. After he flies up. On top of the gates, gives a. motivational speech slash talks shit to the chaos hordes

snaps him down and throws him into them. Then he takes on Angron. Angron rams him through with a spear. He grabs a spear, pulls himself closer to Angron the spear, and then grabs a butcher nails in Angron's heads and

pulls them out, which kills Angron and batch him to the warp. Then, because he's an idiot, he had to go save Jagadi Khan, who decides to leave the perfect safety of the walls, leave a head-on charge into the traders for no tactical reason. Then after all that, he discovers the emperor is going to the, onto the vengeful spirit and goes, I'm going to him and his sanguinary guard all teleport up there. He runs as fast as he can into Horace and at this point gets insta killed by Horace, by the way. Yeah, Horace goes,

hold my beer. It's not even yet. So I might say insta-kind. killed. That is not a protracted battle. He runs in there, yells at him, and Horace just goes. They allude to the fact that when Horace is so powerful because he's full, fantastic chaos. He's full power Horace. But also, this is one of his greatest friends. You know what I mean? So this has to be a horrifying moment, but also, do you really want to kill what are your dearest friends?

But I will, and I actually like that they did that because, let me explain my love of this. sanguinius runs in, Horace just wrecks his ass, just badly. But that he has to, because if Sanguinius after doing all that fighting runs in and gives Horace a run for his money, then how the hell did Horace and the emperor have a real fight? Because it's just, that's the whole point is that at this stage, the Horace is borderline emperor powerful, and that's why Sanguinius never had a chance. It just wrecked him completely. So Sanguinius is dead.

As soon as Sanguineus dies, an interesting thing does occur. All the blood angels, at least all through terror and the vengeful spirit, it's probably the entire galaxy, like the eight dudes that are not there, by the way, all go into an absolute black rage. One that they didn't think they were going to recover from it. They get psychic backlashed. It's brutal. And they start slaughtering again, not only the traitors, but also the loyalists who are near them.

However, the second the emperor destroys Horace, the black rage ceases. And they all, they come back to their senses. But sanguineus is dead. What happens next is Raldoron. I think the guy's name who's an epic blood angels captain takes command of the Legion, his new chapter master. He, and this is, it gets a little bit confusing. It says the 500 remaining blood angels, which I read to say there's only 500 blood angels left

out of, they started at 130,000. We'll talk more about this on the next cast, but it's a little bit confusing of like what these losses looked like for them. They were taking banana pants, loss. Yeah, and the next. Because they were in every, the blood angels were,

if you go back and like, if you read the horse heresy books, in the siege of terror, blood angels are in front and center. Wherever the, everything's hitting the fan, they are getting, but they're also getting massacred

because they're taking on huge greater demons and sea judges and stuff like that. I think, yeah, let's, this is a good place to break. So let's break here. And we'll talk about what happens next where, you know, Sanguania's brought back to Ball. He's entombed and this massive,

ball of the planet, not the, not Ball One or Ball 2, the main planet. Paul Water, Ball 2. He's just started. Can't be all nice in these casts. So yeah, we'll set this up. Our next cast, we're going to dive into the second founding of the chapter.

a lot of the key events of the Blood Angels, and a bunch of the time of them just trying to find ways to handle their curse. Which they've been putting pretty hardcore on the DL. Yeah, it gets, we're going to dive more than next time. I mean, being a space marine chapter and having secrets is kind of a thing. The Blood Angels wants a little bit. Well, San Guineas is gone. You had, everyone had overwhelming confidence that Sanguinius could probably handle whatever.

Yeah, and now he's gone. Right. Like, gone, gone. So with that, This has been John Barsodi and Bradchester. This guy. We'll see you guys next week.