The 40k Lorecast - Episode 9 - The Heresy Concludes

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

With the Traitors at the Gate the Loyalists are now beset on all sides. Success can only be gleamed by holding out long enough for reinforcements to arrive.... or is there a sudden plot twist that brings the rebellion into conclusion? Join us as we discuss the end of the Heresy featuring Sanguinius vs name it, a primarch surprise, Jaghati Khan totally not rushing head strong into battle, and the Fulgrim getting bored of attacking the fortress and more.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lorecast. Hello and welcome to the 40K lorecast with me, John Barsati and Bradchester. The sky. All right. So we're finalizing the invasion of Seoul. Where we are today is Horace has landed. They have taken basically the entire planet barring, I don't know, five square miles, probably less than of a fortress.

They have definitely taken the gap because that's where the emperor's children are. Yeah, the emperor's children are in the gap. So what's going to happen now is, Horace is going to win or Horace is going to lose. Well, let's not forget that there's some serious reinforcements that are either 30 minutes away, three years away, three months away. There are people coming. And they're also the big hitters.

They're the big hitters of the Imperium. Horace did a fantastic job of going, all the people that I don't really know if I could win against, you should go on a snarf quest. and find stuff over here. This is a black area. I think there's something there. You definitely should be on the other side of the galaxy doing this thing.

It's really important. Super important. I know that there doesn't seem to be any stars, and it's a black spot on the map, but they're, trust me on this. Yeah, you'll figure out when you get there. Bye. Yeah. So, like, these people are all on the way.

Also, Conrad Cruz, partially your fault. And. So, kind of, before we launch into this, the first kind of, big push that the forces of chaos did failed pretty badly, actually. They got pushed back at the eternity wall. They got pushed back at the Saturday Gate. They actually got pushed back.

So now they need to do another push because, as we said last time, they did their invasion. They kind of captured everything, but the emperor's, you know, the psychic barrier was holding. The blood angels are holding. And the Red Brat is alluded to, the first dark angel ships just appeared like 20 minutes ago. I mean, they're out by Pluto, but they are. be lining towards earth and no one knows where the rest of, I mean, again, the ultramarine force is big, but Brad said it really well last time. The dark angels hold a grudge. So when they get there, it's over. So let's kind of just jump in so we can knock this bit out. So the first one I wanted to

kind of, I think we should talk about here is a very fun story about Magnus with a surprise, you know, surprise guest piece. So, which as usual, though, this is a could have been a nail in the coffin, but as usual, chaos has its own agenda. Exactly. So Magnus makes his move. Magnus makes a pretty awesome move to be honest. Yeah, this is the first time I have to make Magnus and the whole story, be like, oh, yeah, but the problem is, is that Magnus is on a scavenger hunt.

Magnus is trying to get something. Magnus could have solidified this position. He basically breaks through. You know what, let's actually just do a quick touch up of what Magnus is going on. So when Magnus gave his. soul over to chaos. He basically broke apart into a bunch of sharts. He was definitely doing what Harry Potter stuff did.

He would not be named. His soul has fractured. Magnus is literally going around the galaxy trying to find his horrocks. To rebuild himself. And, you know, we might as well, spoiler alert. Gray Knights. I'm just going to leave it at that. Gray Knight.

So Magnus knows that one of his shards, Malcador has. And so despite all, and to me, I like this because when I'm reading the stories of the Horace invasion, I understand Petarabo's goal. I understand Mortarian. Angren doesn't take long to figure out what's going on. Horace, all them. Magnus, I always struggle like, what is his goal here? Why is he? Because his legions basically destroyed.

Yes. I mean, there's nothing much. But he's a, like, frontline fighter out of nowhere. And the Horace and the Horace heresy. And I remember I'm reading the books going like, I had the thought of like, did they just retcon this? Did I miss something? No, because he's a different person. He actually has his personality.

Has been shattered also. But now this story explains it. His whole thing was he was just trying to get something. So while Horace is trying to kill the emperor, Mortar is trying to kill the emperor, Angron's trying to kill everything. Petarabo just wants to slap the door and probably go home. And Folgram's, Fulgram's just full. blown weird now.

He is definitely the kid that you're not allowed to do. Yeah, exactly. Magnus seems to have this really weird purpose. And so this is the point where we discover what the purpose is. And the purpose was he was going to effectively break into, in quotations,

the emperor's palace la Ocean's 11. Oh, he is on an elaborate psychic heist. Yeah, yeah, to go and steal back his shard. So while all this fights happening, this is what he does. He actually, him and his, and his buddies cloak themselves, and they sneak into the emperor's palace.

They get through the emperor's force field, through everyone. Which is impressive, though. He actually literally does a cabal ritual and makes it so that he goes flying through it. And so while they're that, so he's now inside, while all this, this massive battle is happening outside the walls, the inside of the walls were safe.

And Magnus just comes strolling down a hallway, and then Malca, is also scrolling down the same hallway, which you can imagine pretty awkward meeting when dude who's supposed to be outside is inside and you know you're trying to kill each other. Also, Malcador is not supposed to be doing what he's doing. Yeah, exactly.

That's also that piece. Mogadour also has 14 other side plots that he's doing. And, you know, but he wanted to go for a little bit of a walk. So Malcador and Magnus running each other, at which point they begin to fight. And Magnus asked Malcador, Hey, where's my shard? What's Malcador response, Brad?

He talks mad shins. I mean, that's about all I can say. He just says, hey, it's gone. You can never have it again. Go pound sand. Effectively, he calls him a whiny bitch and tells him to go away. And Magnus does not respond to that super well. Yeah.

So this is one of those fun ones. Magnus kills Malcador, which is a weird thing, by the way, I mean, you think from my perspective, reading these books where you're like, okay, the entire defense of this, of, I don't know, the loyalists fall to two people,

the emperor and Malkador. And one of them's randomly walking a hallway, runs into demon prince primark and is now dead. Who also Voltrons in when he kills him. He does, it's not like he dueled him and he suffered a, blow. He's obliterated.

And so at this point, Magnus just decides, well, screw this, I'm killing the emperor. Yeah, he goes all in with his chips on that. He was like, hey, I got a pocket tens. I'm good. All in. We're doing this. And he just starts fighting his way towards the golden throne, gets all the way there, fights through everybody, and has a very fun little plot twist of Brad, who. Who's hanging out next to the emperor? Surprise. The fucker's Vulcan's back.

Vulcan is back. And Vulcan is pissed. Yeah, because Vulcans had a tough time. Yeah, Vulcans died about 300 times now. And I think... You're not 100% sure how many, but it's... It's also been in some seriously terrible ways. Yeah.

Because Vulcan was trapped. They get chaos. Yep. And when your crazy brother finds out that you're in Eternal, well, he might do terrible things to you over and over again. And Vulcan's not super excited that chaos exists for one. And the people are trying to kill his dad. Also, Vulcan's a paladin.

And he's a good dude. So these two begin now fighting in the middle of, basically in front of the Emperor's Golden Throne, who's, I'm assuming, paying mediocre attention. Well, the funny thing is, is that on this is one of the things in the early battles when you get brother on brother battles is the fact that because bad British dad

has not told his sons about what's going on, they don't know that their brothers are what being juiced up by K. PEDs from chaos are a hell of a drug. You know what I mean? These guys are pretty like not passing

the USADA test. And Vulcan fights Magnus and they go into it a little bit in the books. Vulcan should have wrecked it. It should have been an instant life. But I think that Vulcan thought he was just going to walk through Magnus, and then all of a sudden, Magnus is faster and bigger and stronger.

And psychically attacking him, which he wasn't ready for either. One criticism I have the books here, though, is that they didn't clear that, yeah, Vulcan just kind of thought that way. But Magnus is also a, like, 14-foot winged demon prince right now. With horns and giant. With horns. You'd think Vulcan would have gone, all right. Yeah, Vulcan's a really good do. We never said he's the smartest.

He makes one hell of a hammer, but maybe, I don't know, think for a second. Yeah, you're like, hey, you doubled in size and you can fly. It's like, oh, he's, he looks different, man. Like, you look, you've been working out? Like, it's a different thing of like, I don't remember, like, you're having wings. Every single one of these two, they are consistent, though, every single one time that a prime-arc on primark battle happens, the first time somebody meets a cast-infused primar. That's true.

They always have no clue and they don't think anything of it. Yeah. And I guess, again, it's, it is, I'm looking at from the lens of a 41,000, looking back at 30,000, of course, they wouldn't know what it was. It's like, true, but it's also, I think that, to be honest, I think all the prime acts are pretty full of themselves. Yeah, yeah. And they just don't think, of course I'm going to win.

I'm the best. Yeah. I've, I've beat his ass before. I'll beat his ass again. Yeah, they're all just like, what's different. Ooh, you got wings. Yeah. You were whiny.

You were whiny. before you're probably going to be whining now. Exactly. Cute wings. But they begin fighting. And there is an element of the story that is kind of funny where Magnus starts getting the better of him. And as he's basically beating Vulcan down, a random salamander runs in there.

Self-sacrifice. Yeah, to use that strategy. Which I find funny because the guy's self-sacrifice himself to stop his dad from dying, his dad who's an eternal and would have just come right back to life at the second it out anyway, but at least this happened. So Magnus kills a random salamander.

And apparently he eats his spinach, Popeye style. Powers up, gets... Volcan. Oh, yeah. Yeah. After that guy died, it was basically like John Wick getting his puppy killed. Yeah. He was like, no. And proceeds to put on his boots of mighty

ass kicking. And he obliterates madness. Just wrecks him so badly, Magnus just has to run away and decides to go back to attacking the emperor psychically. Which is a big thing. They go into this. I think this is one thing that I do want to go into a little bit. Because they have a, it's not just a psychic. You think psychic and you're throwing lightning back and forth kind of thing. This is not. This is a soul on soul, your inner power. They are trying to go at each other like your inner fortitude, your will.

They're battling. And while the emperor's not going to lose this one, but Magnus is no joke, but the reason that it's even a battle is because the emperor is trying to get him, hey, you should join. You weren't the problem. Magnus did nothing wrong and tries to do that, but he shows them, unfortunately, he shows them the future.

What's interesting at this point is, I'm actually you get to in a second, some of the more splintering of chaos, But I think, in my opinion, is that at a certain point, it was around this element of the invasion of Seoul, all of the traitor primarks kind of just accepted what their lot in life was. They seem to accept that this is not, we're never going to go back to the old days. And it's over. And I see this a lot with Magnus. Magnus was given a lot of opportunity to turn back.

But what happens here is the emperor gives him an offer and says, look, you can still come back to me. I will accept you. However. There's a big butt. Yeah. However, you have to let me kill all of your progeny. All of them. I can save your soul and I can bring you back.

The rest of them, not only do I not save them, we have to go hump them down and kill all of them. Oh, he doesn't save, but he's not just killing them. He wants to extinguish that. They're gone. Like, everyone. He wants to kill them, body, mind, spirit, just gone. I think I get where the emperor is on this one in the sense that, like, you know,

I can save you. I can't save that. He's still thinking that he's going to, I think the emperor is still, even with all this happening, is still naive in the fact that we're eventually going to win and I need to still push chaos back

and my original plan is still going to work, even though it wildly is not working. It is not working at all. But I still think he's like, I'm going to cleanse chaos and then I'm going to make sure no one knows about it, even though they already do,

and I'm going to make this happen. His plans are bad. There's Skywalker-Arigorn levels of Batman. It really is just confusing when you read about the emperor where you're just like, you're the most powerful being on the galaxy possibly. You don't have, you have maybe future site, but obviously not good at future site. Like, I don't fully grasp him. But anyway, what we end up with that, so a couple little quick things happened here,

which is funny. So then Malcador is then resurrected via a self-sacrifice. But you again, why he again would have came back tomorrow. Again, I write the notes for this show as we've been through. And I'm reading this and I'm in the book. I'm looking in books. I'm now going online to look for comments. And I'm just like leaving it the broad.

Brad, you explained to me why the eternal had to have a self-sacrifice to bring him back. I don't know. They don't say anything about it. My only thing was is I thought that possibly that because Magnus attacks you, effectively attacks your soul that maybe he fractured the ability to be an eternal. But they don't see anything about it. That's the thing. I mean, at least give me the Highlander thing if he cut his head off.

So like, okay, now I know the rules. Fair enough. Okay. There wasn't any. He's just a guy that always comes back. Yeah. He's literally the emperor's buddy who's been killed a lot. A lot.

And now is back. And we could spend some time talking about how they self, but actually I was going to decide we'll just cover another episode talking about. Alvia Sareka, who was, she was, the way they brought Malkador back, just really brief story is the woman who was with the emperor when he went to, in business. Wait, why is this such, sorry, I need to read screwing about this a little bit. This is someone that literally went with the emperor to go, I don't know, you know, chat with the chaos gods.

Yeah. What? Like, she was just there. And then she gets a side note. This is like probably in the, basis of what 40K is the one of the most important events that ever happened we've got like four paragraphs on her yeah she's like hey yeah there was somebody with me yeah like i would probably like to know about this what happened to her afterwards oh i left her at that gate to guard it for all of

eternity oh okay what happened oh the chaos got there so then she bailed she bailed off came back to earth we're hanging out here now but then my but then my best friend died and i asked her to just kill herself so I could bring him back, and so she did. Yeah, I mean, I wish you were not like a thousand percent exactly that would happen. But I'm sorry, everyone, that they just went, hey, this should be like a main character in this story. This should be a novel. Yeah. Multiple novels about her life experience.

A couple paragraphs. And you're just like, yeah, cool. Yeah. Went with Emperor. Chaos gods. That was going to go hung out at Chaos Gate for a couple thousand, tens of thousands of years. And then chaos got too close chaos. ran away from Chaos Gate, right back to Earth.

And immediately got smoked for no reason. And then killed myself to raise some dude. Who was going to raise tomorrow? Yeah. Who's going back anyway. So that's that story. But it's the fun part. Falcon's alive for now.

Well, he'll always be alive. So now we're getting into some more funny parts. As we've been discussing, chaos is going to chaos. And two, I think the two of the most challenging groups who were part of this invasion, to me are the Iron Warriors and the Emperor's children. Because they don't really have a dog in the fight in the greater scheme. You know, in my opinion, they both have a reason for being there, but not the same reason everybody else.

So I think let's start with Emperor's Children, because it's the funnier story. Like literally just embraces Slenesh. And the problem with embracing the God of access and debauchessing is the fact that they're not real consistent in their behavior because, well, their God says don't ever do the same thing. Yeah. Do you want to do something different every time? Whatever makes you happy.

And he decides that this siege is lame effectively and just goes and starts punking the citizens of Terra. Well, he realizes it's like he keeps trying to get through these defenses. He's getting shot at and he's getting stabbed. And his guys, his friends are dying. Or there's a bunch of just regular dues. Literally billions of people that I could just do horrible things and take back to the war and make them slaves. And so it's actually funny. There's actually are stories throughout the Imperium of this time.

That's actually quite funny where they're actually talking about, like, the citizens of Earth, 10,000 years later, still don't trust space marines. Because one day they were all kind of hanging out and a bunch of space marines showed up for Or actually emperse children and just became murder torturing them all. And taking the year and you wish you got murdered. Yeah. So that you did not get taken back to the war. They were just went through.

And they took so many. And no one could stop them. Because remember, all of the good guys are inside the fortress. The only other people around are the other bad guys and demons. So you really are just kind of standing out there going. And this is not great for the siege. because they weren't really having a trouble sieging the gap. Yeah.

So when Fulgram just takes all, not some, all. He's just like, I'm going to go do some other stuff guys. Yeah. They're like, hey, we kind of really thought that you were going to do this in the siege. And he's like, this is boring. This is, yeah. I don't really want to do any of this.

I don't enjoy this. So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go wander off this way for a while. It completely does absolutely nothing good. What I do to find is very hilarious. That's the, end of the story of the emperor's children in the siege of terror. Yeah, they never come back. They just walk away from it.

At this stage, the siege is going. The traders are at the gate. Can the emperor not hold? And the emperor's children just wander off. It's also crazy, hardcore fighting is happening. Yeah. This is the most. Yeah, there are Titans that are trying to breach walls and like, you know, and one

Primark was falling over there and stabbing it with a spear. There is no break in this winter take all real rumble. And he just wanders away. Tens of thousands of soldiers just kind of shrug their shoulders and wander off. Just do so. Hey, man. Yeah. I'm kind of tired here.

I'm about to go home. I'm going to go over there and do something over there. And it's just, wait, no. Okay, bye. And they're gone. So that's a funnier one. The other one, though, that actually is interesting is the Iron Warriors. And Petrobo kind of comes to terms with what, with the deal he's been making.

I mean, we've said it more times than I can. He's a weird story, though, because of the fact. And I'm going to get backlash on this one. But I don't think Petrobo ever decided to be cast. There's no story. I haven't read anything where I see him communing with chaos gods. He's juiced up now. Everybody's going to yell at me.

He is. But that's 10,000 years later. Yeah, I don't. But the thing is, is like, at this point, I think that he went, you guys kind of suck. Like, I really want to show my brother that he's a bum. Yeah. But also, like, Like everything that's happening has to be like pretty freaking weird by this time.

Well, so when I was reading, when I was rereading the book, what I noticed was that there were some just little pieces in there that are snippets I thought were changing where and we'll get to what's going to happen in a second where it felt like he really did believe that Horace's goal of overthrowing the emperor was the better for mankind because he felt that mankind was good. He felt that mankind deserved a better leader and the emperor wasn't that leader. And that was his motivation. And so that's where all the stuff he did, and a lot of it's pretty horrid stuff, you know, he did those pieces. Even being betrayed by Fulgram and then hanging out next to him, like, which I would just a little side note, when Horace put Fulgram in charge of invading the Solstice. Funny story, when Horace put Pederabo in charge of invading a lot of these systems, why he didn't just throw the emperor's children into every single like. Like, just has vengeance for like, hey, man, you left me alone on a planet. Yeah.

That was saying, I wouldn't have put Fulgram in charge of anything. Yeah. Fulgram or Pederabo's leading. I'm saying, but like, he basically put him in charge of whole sectors of doing things. And it's like, it's a pedroba might be an idiot. The thing we're getting at. But what happens here is kind of cool. Petrobo just all of a sudden looks around and realizes that he's on the side of

the demons. There's literal demons that his guys are laying down covering fire for while they run off and pull some guy's limbs off. And he just has that moment of, hey, why am I here? Hold on. Are we the bad guys? Am I the bad guy? I didn't think I was the bad guy. And just it's kind of a cool moment where he's looking around. And I will be honest, he stood next. He stood now. to demon prince angron at one point, which is pretty solid sign of maybe we're not on footside. Also, he gave orders to Fulgram in full snake form. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's got, you're looking around going. Hey, man. Hey, like, this is the moment? There were some moments. There were some signs. Yeah, this is the moment. This is your moment.

All right, this is your moment. But much like on a more positive note, versus the way that Fulgram and Emperor's children just wandered off to go and slaughter anyone they could find, Iron Warriors just dused off. And we're like, yeah. I actually, and I will do more stories about this because he doesn't, doesn't, he doesn't he doesn't just deuce out.

He goes on a kind of crusade of screw all of you on my way back. It wasn't a super cool thing to see the Iron Warriors. They took a real casual path back to the eye of terror. It was not great for any. that was there. He was not super happy about how everything went down, and he apparently wanted to show people on the way home. Yeah. So this is actually times up pretty well where Horace kind of starts reinvigorating whatever term you want to have because he's been the poisoning of the chaos has actually been eating at Horace's soul quite a bit. He's been for large portions of this campaign.

He's actually been unconscious, and he's been coming in and out of consciousness. But a certain Should we touch on the Abidon part, though? Yeah, let's go. So Horace knows that he's starting to read the bottom line, the fine print of his deals, and is like, I think that they might have gotten the better of me on my negotiation skills here and realizes that I might not be all there anymore. So he starts, he gives the, which by the way, when you give the power over to Abadon, who was kind of a dick before.

chaos came around and he says hey you're in charge kind of right now but not completely right now but like i may or may not be able to function in any you have any value to view so i need you to step up and lead yeah so he effectively just makes him war master in proxy will be right back after a quick break in my professional life one thing i know well is how challenging managing a global team can be. Just the act of creating one has been an extreme challenge over the years. Because one thing you learn quickly is a difficulty of hiring global talent and how unclear those costs can be. It looks simple at first, but then the fees start to stack up with compliance worries, contractors versus employees and a host of other regulations. Pebble brings clarity with up front,

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characters but i think in the end he always knew that he what was going to happen you know he knows that hey i'm super juiced but i think even though i've convinced myself i've rationalized all my behaviors that this might not be the best yeah i agree i think at a certain point horace knew he was wrong but couldn't he was too far he was too far gone and i think he also probably knew that he was going to go but that's my opinion but so horace now decides to push so he orders everyone in he goes all full full assault, Imperial Palace. Again, we got to go back to those reinforcements.

He also doesn't know what's coming. It could be six checks. It could be 600,000 ships. Yeah. No idea. So he knows that I don't want to be sieging the best fortress in the galaxy. His only chance is if the dark angels and all term Marines arrive and the emperor is dead. And he's, yes, he's already won it.

He has that fortress. He may be able to sit there and save them. We can just fight this out, but you're not going to change anything. Well, also, I now control the fortress. And so what are you going to do about it? Right. So he goes all in. He throws everything.

And this is a all in gamut too because this is a, I'm taking catastrophic losses at this point too. And so because what's happened is, as we discussed before, when you have a stalemate in a siege, the people doing the siege are losing usually five, 10 to one. It's because it's much easier to sit behind a wall and shoot someone than stand them overfield to shoot up at them. This is just the way it goes. So the traders are losing forces. So Horuskos screw it, everyone in. And they go in. However, the loyalists also kind of see this coming and get the notification that reinforcements are in.

Jaggeda Khan is one of the people there who, as we discussed before, Jaggeda Khan is not a huge fan of standing behind a wall, no matter how many, times. He leads a pretty... You tell him, too. He leads an awesome charge that is a terrible decision. Mm-hmm. Looks cool.

Looks really cool. It would look really awesome in the movie of the Siege of Terra, but it also lets them take catastrophic casualties in a time when they should have taken no casualties. No, but he decides that he needs to go back out and retake the lion gate because they're losing, they're losing ground. And so he goes, this is it. We're going to grab this spaceport so that, A, we stop the, the traitors landing, but also B, the ultramids and dark angels can have somewhere to land when they get. He was also told 10 times to not do anything of this. To not do that thing.

But hey, he does it. He does a little, like, speech, braveheart style. And everyone runs out the gate and to go fight the death guard. And you know what? It actually goes. Kind of work. It kind of works, actually. They all run out there, and I think the traitors were suddenly going, like, are they really attacking now?

Really? Now? Oh, oh, shit, it's working. And so it does actually have an effect. And Khan is able to push out there with his white scars and with a bunch of guardsmen and do actually begin taking the port back. Yeah, but they are, again, taking needless casualties. Exactly. And they don't take it.

Yeah. And so Khan eventually fights there. And the one problem is that when you attack the deathguard, there's someone waiting there. And that is Mortarian. And Mortarian and Khan have had there enough discussions at this point that they don't bother with the 45-minute speech of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, now we're fighting now. The best part is I do love a lot of these because a lot of these Primacocod Primax are people that didn't like each other anyways. Right. And I'm like, I just want you to know that I always kind of want to beat the shit out of you.

I want to do this forever. I'm super glad that you're on the other side. A theme that we keep seeing here, though, is... This is another one. Same thing. It's non-demon, non-demon primark infused versus demon-infused primark versus demon-infused primark. And also somebody else that doesn't know that demon-infused primark is kind of badass. Yes, but they don't take into any account at all because he's like,

like, I'm just going to dance around Mortarian, and well, he does not. He does not. Mortarian just beats the ever-living crap out of Khan, and in fact, impales him on his scythe. Yes, but you know what I'm going to tell you how much of an old man I am, and I'm hoping somebody else remembers this. Yep. In the original Excalibur film from the 80s. Oh, my God.

You're welcome. Oh, God. This entire scene played out because Khan. drags himself up, up, up, up, you are not implying that GW committed committed a four and electric property theft here. This is an original story. I'll let Brad continue, but I just wanted to tease him real quick on that one. Well, the best is he pulls himself down the sive.

Like, also, his scythe is gigantic. He basically just runs through five foot of scythe. I need to tell a story, then I'll ask a question afterwards. then he proceeds to pause while pulling himself through the blade to talk mad shit to mortarian. Like while he's impaled, he's, oh yeah, remember the time. Pulling himself closer on a site. There's like six inches thick of steel and whatever, sigh steel inside my stomach. Also, I'm going to take this moment to pause, hold on, talk enormous amounts of shit.

By the way, it goes on for a couple pages in the book. He has a whole speech that he's willing to get to him. He's pulled it out of his back pocket. He's reading off every single element of it. Yeah. And then Mortarian apparently is like, what the shit, man? No one talks shit about me and decides to drop the side and plans on giving him a speech back. And kind of goes, yeah, I was done with my speech and chops his head off.

Yeah, it's. So the only element of this that really bothered me is, and I think most of us, if you don't know what a site, there's Google it real quick. It's shaped like an L. I don't like, like if you have no idea how he was supposed to do that.

Like if it's a sword, you're pulling yourself closer. The spear from the caliber is what I was thinking. It makes sense. This has an L shape. So is he just going, like if I'm holding a scythe up, is he just kind of moving?

You know, I guess technically you're also, look at the model. It's also he has like a 15 foot long side. Yeah, I just, I'm very, it was just being where I was reading, going like, how do you pull yourself closer? I mean, it is one of those, like, for those of us who played eighth edition and ninth edition, you know, your consolidation move ends up closer in quotations. Yeah, it's like, you circle them. Yeah, exactly.

I understand that you are technically closer, but you move four inches the other direction. Like, okay, okay, whatever, you know. Yeah, but I did like the fact that he did not let him give his evil speech. Yeah, he would do it and he just dropped his head off, which then actually, banishes Mortarian, because at this point, he is a demon prince. So Mortarian, when you kill him now, doesn't die. Doesn't die. Actually, in my opinion, just disintegrates and reappears in the warp somewhere.

Khan falls down broken, which then makes the rest of the white scars lose their shit. Yeah, and then rompul-stop. Now, the plus side is that the death guard leader also just died. So now you've got two groups of people who have lost their prime mark. And I would argue that in chaos, that's less important than in the loyalists. The loyalists, I think, due to a lack of chaotic influence, are probably more affected by the loss of con and are more enraged. Whereas the, you know, the death guard to me are more on team. Well, I've still got this plague that's just eating it.

That's eating my soul. Oh, this, this already sucked a lot. Yeah, Morty's dead. I'm so sad. The guy responsible for this. It was typhus. Yeah, exactly. If typhus was dead, they'd be lit.

they be celebrating. But they do actually grab the Lions Gate. The Lions Gate is still somewhat inside the palace. The other part of this... They can't really have it, though. Yeah. Well, they fought their way to it, and they were able to... I mean, they got a point...

If it was a video game, they would have got points for taking it. And then they just instillost it. Well, I think strategically it was beneficial because it stopped this endless flow of traders coming through that one landing zone. but there were a lot of other lands. Yeah, I was saying there's three, yeah, three others. So they were fine. But, I mean, they did their thing.

We moved there to the eternity gate. So what this is now we're going to get to the very end. And the very end of this is Horace is, lands basically everybody. Everyone leaves orbit and they're on the ground outside of this. And final battle time, we're going to, you know, we're attacking at dawn. It actually said that, which I was just. I'll be honest, it bothered it. So three things.

One, you don't attack at dawn. Strategically, you never attack at dawn. It's when they can see you. You attack at dusk. And it makes no difference because they have night vision. Yeah, but the point being, it's like, it's just, we're going to attack at dawn. It's not the 14th century. You know, like we don't need that.

Anyway, but we'll skip that. The emperor's barrier now. And so before he does his attack, what Horace does, he decides just to do full court press, I'm going to land everything and we're going to find everything. and we're going to fire every gun we have at this. But at the same time, I'm going to take all the psychers, and we're going to go into there, and we're going to attack the emperor kind of from the inside.

Because we can break his barrier, then we can get through. This is bad. Simply put, this is a bad situation for the emperor. But he does have a trick. Well, sometimes you just get a wind up Vulcan and send him into the webway, which Vulcan, one, has no idea what it is. Yes.

Two does not care at all, apparently. He's just told Magnus isn't there. Go that way. And he's like, oh, it's clobber in time. As you said, he enters the webway to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And he's all out of bubble gum. Magnus is in the warp, attacking the emperor. And all of a sudden, the guy who just beat the shit out of him appears.

And he's super mad. He just wants to kill him. And I actually, again, I don't know if this story matters for what we need to tell you. I'm diving to the story because I just enjoyed it. I thought this was an enjoyable story of Vulcan trying to beat up Magnus. I love the fact that Vulcan also just does some, I call it Lehman Rusco, which is Roadrunner stuff. Magnus puts up a psychic barrier. Vulcan doesn't understand what it is and just beats it up physically.

And you're like, that shouldn't work. And he's like, I don't care. I don't care. And it's like, you can't possibly hurt my psychic barrier by hitting it with a hammer. He's like, sure I can. Like, no, I'm still going to. And actually beats that up. And then the part that I find it absolutely hilarious here is this like, and they,

Brad makes these Looney Tunes references a lot. And this is, I think it's the same thing here. It's, it's Vulcan gets exhausted beating through all this stuff. and eventually does break the barrier down and has to fight a rather healthy demon prince magnus and so what's magnus do brad yes he's killed it check all over and over again but every time he kills vulcan what's vulcan do just gets back up which means that again pointing out that dude who died maybe 10 minutes ago in our podcast he wrecks him he does the he keeps giving them you killed my father prepared to die i mean the some of the ones i listed here

is he, he, the Magnus cuts Vulcan's head off, which he does. And the Vulcan's head regenerates comes back on. He suffocates him, comes back. He burns into a crisp. Comes back. And each time he just comes back and punches Magnus is his face or hits him with his hammer. Over and over again until Magnus actually disintegrates him. We just use the spell and disintegrates Vulcan.

And at the end of it, Vulcan drops a hammer on his head. And it's been recentegrates. We're going to make that a word today. And it smashes Magnus's head in. And finally, Magnus is just done. Like, that's it. And we relieve some of the pressure on the emperor. So the emperor now is now not getting assaulted through the via the warp by a Magnus.

And I just said, here's it. I just like this story. I like this idea of him just constantly killing someone. Actually, you know what the better example is? Deadpool. That's probably what this is. It's more of a Deadpool-type reference where it just, I keep killing him. Here I am.

I was going to go with Texca, but no one will know what the hell I'm talking about. We're not. We're not. You need to keep. I think for the sake of our podcast, if we can keep most of our references post-internet. This was only an 83 fight. Yeah.

Post-ternet, Brad. Post-ternet. Let's talk about space Jesus. All right. So back at the gate, sanguine. is there. I mean, I don't know if he had snapping and named bloodthusters back while flying to show everybody's reinvigorating for morale. But you know it is taking a Titan and talking mad shit to everyone and cutting its head off. I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah. Again, this is one of those

ones where you read things GW writes and you go, hold on. He cut the head off of a robot and the robot died. It's chaos infused. all right, it's fine, it's a good story. Also, the head is 100 feet. Yeah. Easy in diameter. And I'm also one of the smaller parts of the... Yeah.

It's not... The Titans are like basically walking cities. But he does cut its head off in the book. He does cut its head off. He did so sanguineous... I mean, that is true. They also said, you should surrender. And he went, how about instead?

And flew up, because he's a dude, flew up to a robot that's a few hundred feet tall. and cut its head off. And it died. And then the, but to Brad's point, he's just using this to keep the loyalist fighting. And, oh, he's only trying to bolster morale on this. But another cool moment for some curious, though, comes from,

as we discussed in a prior episode, when they got, when Horace sent them out to cure themselves of the red thirst, there was actually a super bloodthirsty name Cabanda. who actually defeated Sanguinius that time and only lost because watching Sanguinius die released the blood through the... Yeah, they went kind of nuts on that. Yeah, and fought back.

This time, Kabanda reappears and Sanguinius is on. Makes an example of him. Nope. Flies him over top of the gates and proceeds to snap his spine over his knee. Yeah. And basically gives the, is there any? else speech now we are at full clip war i mean we have everyone is attacking the the traders are throwing their full forces and the truth is the loyalists are not holding at this stage the loyalists

are starting it's just it is overwhelming and they're falling back they're falling back they're falling back because it's also a full demonic incursion so they effectively have infinity forces Yeah. So they run back and they decide, you know, the custodian guards orders one more gate. It's the gate to the palace. We're shutting this. Everyone run this way and we're shutting the gate. So everyone runs back. They begin to close the doors. And actually, a random Titan holds the doors apart. Let me actually, sorry, let me rephrase this because I don't think I'm not selling this well enough. The entirety of the loyalist. force runs through one gate. We've all seen this in sci-fi. You're not giving it a full credit because the Titan does a head first slide in a home

plate. Yeah. As it's coming jumps. Jams its claw from its again a Titan is, depending on the Titan, hundreds of feet tall a giant robot Pacific Rim style dove

to try to be safe at home plate and jammed his hand in the gate. So the gate now is stuck open. Then you know what makes it really, really fun to have a gate stuck open? Angron goes to run through said gate. Because as you notice these stories, Angron just keeps randomly appearing at random times to do. However, Angron, if you're playing an MMO, which I'm hoping people have heard of in this particular cast, Angron is in charge of ads, which I've said multiple times because he is, oh, 1001 versus anybody that's a main boss. And, well, he gets the upper hand against sanguinez, but apparently he get the memo that he was the main character.

Let's pull it back on it. So let's set the fight up better than that. Okay. Angron comes blasting through this gate. And who's waiting on the other side? I mean, it's... Sanguine is literally Darth Mal's... It just goes...

Nah. And they begin having... And he also is standing by himself. Yeah. There's a horde of chaos behind Angra, by the way, and Sanguus is like, what? I'm kicking his ass and then I'm kicking his ass. He gives like a big guys in one line, little guys in another kind of thing. It just proceeds to go, what? So juiced up Angron does again get the upper hand, but he should have known that he was not the main character,

the red angel is not the red character here. Yep. And he just runs sanguinez through, which sanguinus decides, again, I heard Con tried to do this, but I'm going to do it way better, and proceeds to just rip the butcher's nails out of the head of Primark Angron,

and apparently that's not a great thing because his head blew up like scanners. 82 movie, thank you very much. Boom. Oh, God, sir, at least make a reference that won an Oscar. But, yeah, so, Angron just dies, or, you know,

demon prince dies, goes back. Well, he rips the nails out and literally falls to the ground, pulls the sword. Well, actually, the sword disappears when he leaves. Yeah. Pulls the nails out. His head blows up, and he just wisps away to the warp because he's full, he's a demon at this point in time.

And then this gives him a chance to actually close the gate. Because the thing, you know, it's an Angron. Is Angron, and this story has happened to see. He did it at Istfan. He's done it a couple times on Seoul. A couple of times where right as Chaos is about to win, Angron shows up and jacks something up. Always. He is, again, you put Angron on the ads, stay off the boss.

We don't want you pulling Agro. You always ruin the raid. Exactly. Quit it. And so Angron, they shut the door at this same time. So when he kills Zangron, actually, we should pull back to this. When he kills Zangron, the chaos forces just kind of go, what the shit just happened. Everybody stands there again because one dude stood there by himself.

Right. Against everyone. And then they just kind of go, we're going to use this to close the door. Yeah, you guys can go ahead and close that door. We'll come see in a few minutes. Yeah. Like everybody kind of went, what the hell just happened? So the angriest, the meanest of us just got his ass kicked.

Yeah. I'm going to hold. I need a second. Also, who is that the dude that just went up? Is that the Titan head cutting off? Backbreaking guy. Sanguineas, let's just, yeah, be sure they should do a quick note for Sanguance. Sanguance has now single-handedly in melee killed two Titans, a giant demon and a demon prince

primark in the period of like, I don't know, 12 hours. Yeah. And also he does all of these basically on pay-per-view. Yeah. Oh, he's also done. He also saved Jagadai Khan. I mean, it is just, he is having a time of his life. Yeah, he's MVP right now.

He's definitely getting all the votes. This, though, shifts us over to kind of one of the really big moments. And the big moment is now Gilliman, the first communication from Gilliman's coming in. And it's actually about a week away. But he also has Lehman, Russ, Korax, and the Lion are all coming at the same time. And that's a big deal. While Korax is showing up with him and like his bleak close. Yeah, he's got a barbershop quartet.

But the lion and Lehman Ross are showing up with a legion. Yeah, each. And Gilliman's got, but in fact, Gilliman's legion is so large. It's even... Gilliman's not even bringing this to the Ultramarines. He has... Everything.

Well, we'll handle that later, but he has a smaller empire worth of stuff he's bringing himself. And so this communication, not only do the loyalists get it, but obviously the traders get it. And this creates a problem. So Horace now. has to freak out. And so Horace as,

the whole challenge for Horace now is like, okay, now we have to go. So Horace decides he cannot get to the emperor. He realizes that his plan of breaching the walls and fighting his way to the emperor isn't there. And there's some debate as to what happens next, as to why he does what he does. Because we've been retcon this like seven times.

Right. Because. And you're older than me. So you go. One of the biggest things is it used to be, he lowered the shields while he was winning to go the emperor to show up. And then they changed it to Horace couldn't win. And he wanted the emperor to show up. And it's been back and forth several times since I've been doing lower on this since the 90s.

You know what I mean? It's changed several times why. But in the end, the one fact remains, Horace is on the Vengeal Spirit. He lowers his void shields. and just kind of says, and the emperor obviously is instantly aware that this is happening. And just says,

show up. Show up. So the end, that problem for the emperor. I mean, there's also the fact that Horace may or may not have been powering up,

kind of like what the emperor's doing right now, but we don't go into that. One entry, and this is a really important story, so this isn't a side note, this actually is critical to the telling of Fortigay at this moment. The challenge is that the emperor

is sitting on the golden throne, and this is still powering all of the force fields. If the emperor just pieces out of this throne to go fight Horace, all of the fields throughout all of terror. Everybody gets smoked.

Which is every demon's in. So there's a problem. He has to do something here. Well, if he wants to go up there, he has to win, but he has to win immediately. Yeah. But even then, someone has to take his place. And so the person that takes that they decided take his place is going to be Malkador.

And Malkador, the difference there is, as much as we talk about Malkador being powerful, Malkador is the second most powerful human in the galaxy. Yeah, but he's like a... But we're not talking second. We're talking second place, like Usain Bolt runs a... Runs in the Olympics and then one of us does.

Yeah. Like, yes, we take second. Yeah, but like you have to take two pictures. Exactly, yeah. Like, Hussein's winning and then you're like, pan back over. Yeah, Hussein bolts going home and we're coming through the finish line. Like, it's, It's that level. He's still powerful.

So Malcolm... He's going to get smoked by this. This machine's going to eat him. And Malcador couldn't be happy to do it because he knows why I do it. So that's part one of this. The other one, though, is it's pretty obvious this is a trap. Wildly a trap. And we're not even talking like, oh, I wonder if he made a mistake.

So the next piece is, well, who's going to go with the emperor into this trail? For sure, it's space Jesus. Well, yeah, we know. Rogel Dorn's going to go, and I'm going to make Brad tell that story. he's telling it. But sanguineus, and then actually Constantine Valdor, who's the head of the custodian guard. So they're

all going to, they're all going to jump with the emperor up there while Malcador takes the throne. This is also something that happens like immediately. Yeah, this is all happening like three seconds. Yeah, they don't debate this for a while. Malcadour goes, well, it was nice knowing you guys.

And the rest of them are like, hey, would you like to go on this probable suicide mission? And everybody goes, I'm in. Yeah. So they load Malkador in, the emperor comes out, and they jump onto the vengeful spirit. And let's, I have to, we have to go back a little bit, though. When they show up on the vengeful spirit, the vengeful spirit is a nightmare.

Yeah. That is basically an extension of horse's wheel at this time. You were literally going into the enemy's base. He is. I would actually, my thought processes, I mean, movie event horizon. it's that level, this is a spaceship that has been... It's hell. Yeah, it almost is the warp manifest.

Yeah. Of the level of evil. He's controlling everything on the ship. And it's literally an extension of himself. Yep. Like, he's effectively having pieces of the ship attack the guys, and they get separated. They immediately get separated because this is a terrible trap.

Yep. And Horace is also wildly, psychically powerful at this point in time. And no one has. had any idea that he's on par with the emperor at this point in time. And we're about to find out how on par in a second. So they all land and they're separated, but they all know where to go. Rogaldorn, I have to be honest, doesn't really do much. He gets lost.

He gets lost in a almost dream and has to walk through a desert. In my mind, he's got a hat with two bills on it. One says the emperor. One says Horace. He's ready to spin it no matter what. And he's just on his way. Sanguinius, though, we'll start with sanguinius, because it's a fun part. He actually ends up.

He teleports to the bridge. To the bridge. And his facing horse. And I made a note here, because I actually, this is important. So in the last, we'll go with 24, maybe 48 hours. Sanguinius has fought and killed two Titans, one of the most powerful demon princess that Korn has, and Angron. And more space marines, demons, insert thing here.

dude has been swinging a sword nonstop like hardcore. Well, he has to be even for a prime arc exhausted, but also he's had to do everything and act like he's not. Because he is the PR, he's the face of the Imperium at this point in time. He's the face of the resistance. Everything he's done while unbelievably hard, he also has to basically do while given the smile to the cameras. Exactly. This is easy, guys. All of you can do it.

Exactly. You should all be doing what I'm doing. This is no big deal. The Starship Troopers, I did my part. You know? Yeah. See, 90s movie reference. Fine. We're moving it. We're moving it up a decade. So, unfortunately, for Sanguinius, Horace is wildly OP at this point in time. Like, wildly O.P. Horace tries to turn Sanguinius. Sanguinius is like, you're literally sitting, It's going to be hard for you to convince me that I should be part of this when I just teleported on to the hellship. Yeah.

And you are basically emanating evil of you. You're oozing evil. Like this is not a like, you're not like a classy movie vampire. You are. And unfortunately, sanguinius goes out real quick because Horace is OP and he effectively just snaps his neck. He strangles. He strangles about it with a quickness. and well, sorry Blood Angels, but wow, this was bad for your legion.

Yeah. Because these shockways coming from him from Sanguania's dying for your sins. Who? Yeah, we're going to have to do quite a few episodes. Well, if you're not with you more episodes I can count about what's going to, the results of what's about to occur here for almost every single Legion. So as Sanguonius is lying dead at Horace's feet. The emperor shows up effectively as he's dropping it.

Yeah, it just walks under the bridge. And now we've got it. This is it. This is the culmination of the movie. You know, the emperor is facing Horace. And the emperor, they just begin yelling at each other. Well, the weird part above, and this is, again, been wrecked several times, but whatever. I'm going to give you the best.

Please. My best interpretation of this, which is the emperor is not mad. he's just disappointed. And I don't even know if he wants to turn him. He just wants to make him... I think he always knows he's going to battle. Yeah. But he wants to make him know that he's wrong,

which is super messed up in this entire books. There's a lot of people that do things specifically to say, admit you were wrong. Yeah. Like, that's what I need from this. And he just keeps telling him. you're a pawn of chaos. You were exactly what I'm trying to stop.

And sorry, British Dad, if you would have given me 10 minutes. You would have given me a goddamn email and said something about this. The emperor is furious at Horace for not seeing the thing that he never told him about. Right. And I was saying, like, well, yeah, of course this is it. But this is exactly what I've been trying to stop on Tara this entire time. You are the thing that I'm trying to stop. You are the thing.

and they begin. So, but eventually, you know, you can only yell so much. And fistacuffs occur. Well, this is where it gets really weird, though. Now, this I've seen has changed. This story has been read. Several times. We were talking about how this fight goes.

I will give you all the most current version, and then I'll let Brad kind of touch on some private. But on the current version, Horace beats the emperor effectively. Horace beats the emperor up. I'm giving a nod that no one else can say. Yeah. Beats him up pretty badly and ends up like throwing him to the ground and fighting it. But in other, in past stories, the fight was much more even.

The fight was even and the emperor just wins, but it gets horribly just, here's, I mean, you can pull this back because no matter how it's right on. Yeah. The emperor and Horace are actually fighting in every spiritually. They're psychically. They're, they're not battling. There's no. whoever's winning this fight is deleting that person from existence, basically. You are killing their soul.

You're not killing their body. You're killing their soul. You're literally destroying everything that makes them them. You know, you do not exist any way, shape, or form after this fight. And that is what, this isn't a, oh, man, I got stab. You could come back. No, they're gone, gone. whoever wins this fight.

At the end of the fight, and the current version, the emperor is lying there underneath Horace, and Horace has won. And this is a fun one, because there actually is numerous different stories here, but a loyalist appears on the bridge.

And gets obliterate. Sometimes a loyalist is a custod, sometimes her imperial fist. Sometimes it's a guy. Yeah, Eric. But he literally kills him like Dr. Manhattan style. It just puff of smokes. Yeah.

This guy runs at Horace and Horace just and laughs at how easy it is, which again, okay, Emperor, you have, you're the most powerful being in the galaxy. And the thing is, they've always said that possibly the emperor was always holding back because he didn't want to kill his fans. Yeah, but I'm just also in this beat of like, there's a, okay, we've been telling this story through seven episodes, eight episodes now, getting a little. sick of the plot twist being, well, then I saw someone do something really bad, and I mustered that last little bit of energy. Like, I get it, guys. It's not even a little energy. Yeah, I mean, the amount of plot.

He cuts through Horace's soul. You're missing my way. What I'm getting at is like, gee, the writing we have of this, it bothers me as, as someone who, just, I like good stories, don't lean on the same plot twist over and over again of like. You shouldn't Hogan finger it every time. So, let's see, Vulcan twice. we've got sanguinius has done this jogging it con it's it is a nonstop story here

of like just when I thought it was over then someone did something that mustered me the strength and I power level 10,000 didn't just said oh I could have won this all along but anyway that's literally what happens here so the emperor then decides that there's nothing you can do he Voltrons his soul yeah disintegrates he doesn't just well he doesn't just right again he cuts through

horse's existence yeah he yeah not his body that too but he but no he he just killed his body yeah because uh... abidon eventually grabs the body in the individual spirit and takes off but

what happens is he smokes horace and he smokes horace out of existence and in doing so horace kind of has that I'm going to give you my wild guys horace has the Arthur of Menna where he gives the, what, Lich King reference, most popular thing.

It gives the whole thing where he gets the, oh, I was wrong. I've got clarity. Yeah. I probably shouldn't have allied with the forces of evil. I mean, seems pretty self-evident, but he goes, man, maybe this wasn't a great thing. But he's also, again, depending on the story. because there's been several of this, he's happy. And that's one of the things why he gave it to Abidon.

In the first place is he wanted to die. Horace, and I agree with you. I think Horace felt the corruption at a certain point. He was just too far in. And he was very happy to finally be rid of all of this. The corruption. He was just happy to be through with this. I was no longer me.

I was something else. And now I can at least die. as made. In what is not a subtle homage to the end of Lord of the Rings, the death of Horace, the entire Trader Legions, all of them,

instantly bail. All of them go, they feel it, and they all leave. The battle is over. The emperor dying at the end of Star Wars, Return of the Jedi. You're like, hey, we have overwhelming forces.

We can still win. Nah, our leader's dead. Deuce is. We're gone. But yes, they just, all them bail. At the same time, of course, the black rage has just explodes through the blood angels. We're going to cover a lot of that later in a different episode.

But they're messed up. But on the vengeful spirit, Rogel Dorn gets up and busts into the bridge. Yeah, after everything's done. Yeah, I'm here, guys. Good job, Rogel. I feel like he watched this whole fight and waited eating popcorn in my hand. Also, sorry, Imperial Fis, guys. I hate Rogel Doren so much.

So they grab, Rogel Doorn comes in there. Sanguineas is dead. The emperor is actually near death. And the emperor tells Dorn, you have to take me back to the golden throne. So Dorn grabs him, wherever else is around, and they teleport back down. And the emperor is ruined. Well, he's dying. He's quite literally, and dying rapidly, not the slow movie dying.

Well, that's the thing is he's, he's, holding on by psychic might because his soul was wounded. He, again, we weren't fighting physically. This isn't a, I'll put some stim packs in you and seal this wound. He literally had his soul stabbed. And that's the real thing is he's like his life force is dying. And so, and this next bit is critical for anyone who's new to the 40K universe or anyone who's in it, like this next piece bringing in.

The emperor tells him the only solution. is you're going to have to effectively entomb me in this golden throne. Malkador is disintegrating before their eyes in this. And so the very last thing Malkador does is takes what's little left of his life essence and gives it to the emperor, which is just enough. It's like almost a little CPR bump for the emperor to get to stop him dying as they load him into the golden throne and seal him inside of it. And this is important because this is the last time anyone sees the emperor physically.

So it's also the last time that anybody has physically commuted to the emperor. Because we'll get into this more because we've had times when people have touched into the psychic essence of the emperor on the golden throne. Yeah. But the emperor also becomes a disparate entity on the golden throne. That's for later. Yeah. But he is. It's one of the main themes of the fore.

The last thing he says is, your purpose is to defeat chaos. He tells them, this is your purpose as the Imperium and then is sealed away. To only be kept alive in the most gruesome of manners. Oh, yeah. Well, we're going to do. We've got some fun episodes on this stuff. This is critical because the leader of mankind is both alive and dead. dead. He's also a light, he's a lighthouse.

Yeah. He is literally a lighthouse. He's the only reason that you can travel Imperium-wise. Other people can do different things. Well, there's something to be said for that. I promise everyone. We're going to do, Brad and I'll do a fun episode. We may probably get some guests for that one to discuss, is the emperor technically alive or dead? Because I think from a 41st millennia, there is a very fun debate to be had around that. Well, he's also powering up. And there's times when he could have been brought back. Also, he's an eternal and he could have been taken out of the throne at any point in time. Could he have been that. But that's the question. Could he have? It just, this is true. And because of the fact that he did psychic damage to him, soul damage.

That's the spirit. That's where this gets kind of interesting. Again, we're, I'm teasing future episodes and ideas here, but that's where we're at. So let's kind of get to the conclusion a quick, we're going to take a quick five, six minutes here. Just where we are. And take you where we are and jump you give you a quick bridge to what's going to happen next to get us to where we're going to be so the emperor the loyalists have won the traders are gone scattered they're scattered as they scatter the dark angels and the ultramarines show up they're not super excited about they're not yeah this is basically a very aggressive well luckily cheyman's always been the voice of reason.

The lion is a little vengeful. I think that he should have made his flagship the ultra vengeful spirit. The vengefuler spirit. Well, the lion's first, I'm just going to give this one. The lion's first thought is he's going to figure out a way to basically kill all of chaos. Yeah. You're like, that's a terrible plan. He's like, I'm going to do.

that. I got time. Yeah, I will figure it out. I'm going to clear my schedule. We're doing this. Yeah, he's like, I can make this happen. So all of chaos has to flee. They basically all go back through the eye of terror. Well, they get a, they take a very leisurely path, some of them. Yeah, some of them decide to grab some souls on the way. But the big thing on this is we would go in a future, but to go in what has happened. We get 10,000 years of the emperor being unapproachable, unassailable, in new fluff we will go into,

lunar error. There's some stuff that's happened. But he has effectively been a beacon in the dark. I'll give the dark night's speech. But he has been. He's been the light in the warp. But, and people know this, some people know and don't know, he's also what is keeping the chaos gods at bay. So he is every single day lighting the beacon of Gondor throwing all the references.

I went into 2000s for that. That's true. But he's lighting the beacon, but he's also battling chaos every single day and every single, everywhere. He's fighting, literally fighting a spiritual war versus. What I wanted to kind of get more into is like we talk about, and you've talked about this way well, with Brad, where the Imperium was actually really improving and structuring itself well because you had leadership. Oh, we have none now.

It's gone now. And everyone is, everyone is now spending 10,000 years quoting the guy who's alive, but hasn't spoken. So one thing we're going to spend, and Brad and I, actually, we were discussing what we want to cover. And one thing we're going to cover in a future episode is definitely what life is like in the Imperium in the 41st millennia. It's significantly worse. Newsflash, it's awful. Yeah, significantly worse than it was like, how do people go to chaos? You're like,

oh, okay, never mind. I got it. And so this is where, this is why what you see, this little moment here, I mean, it's not a little, this moment here is what sets the whole thing up. The, the Horace heresy set up the, the incursion of chaos. Chaos exists. When we look at what is the grim dark of the 41st millennia, it is based much, much, more heavily around this, around the emperor being both there and not there. It's about, you know, the factions being splintered, the fact that most of the best leaders they had are focused on revenge. Yes.

And the thing is, is that the entirety of the Imperium becoming this caricature of what the man behind the Imperium wanted, he is now worshipped as a God, which he wanted to abolish all religious. and he is now the focus of the religion. And because he's the focus of religion and Warp exists, we'll get into that in future episodes, because people are wheeling things into existence. And the thing is, is that it's a nightmare.

The Imperium became in 10,000 years, instead of the guiding light, the, I'll give the Roman Empire. It was what people wanted Rome to be, and then what Rome became. Exactly. So at this, we will conclude our coverage of the Horace heresy. We're going to come back in the future to help connect the bridges, but we decided for our next bunch of episodes,

we're going to take a little bit different turning, throw some time to what I would call the Zenos factions, the first and foremost of which being where they all came from in one of my favorites. One of the things I want to do is we want to do some free form. We wanted to set everything up with, here's the horse heresy, which is the basis of 40K. Yeah. This is the first written the story. This is the origin of 40K.

After this, we're going to go into free forum, and we'd like you to go. I'd love you to go to our Discord and our Facebook, Lordcast 40K. And I just ruined the 40K Lordcast. The 40K Lordcast. As I said it, I went, that is completely wrong. I'm an idiot. Feel free to edit that, John. he'll leave it in just to make you feel stupid.

Well, now I will. I was going to edit it out. One of the things is we really want your direction. We want to, because from now on, we're going to just pick, but one of the big things is I'd love you guys to show up and just tell us what you think. Tell us how wrong I am. But like, tell us what you would like to hear in future episodes because we've got, oh, yeah, infinite amount of stuff we could do. Yeah. I mean, we could, if we're not going to, if we could do 100 hours on the orcs,

and by, but you're not going to, I mean, I try. Well, there's so many things to talk about, and I'd love to see what you want to hear first. So, all right, with that, thank you all, and we will see you next time. Again, this is John Barciotti and Bradchester. This guy.