The 40k Lorecast - Episode 97 - World Eaters pt 1

Episode Date: July 28, 2025

On today’s cast we begin our coverage of the World Eaters. We open up with the creation of the 12th legion and their role as the emperor’s dogs of war. From there we flip over to Angron, his discovery on Nuceria, and the nightmare of his upbringing there. We then follow his rise through the gladiatorial pits and the subsequent implantation of the Butcher’s nails in his skull. We then cover the emperor coming to Nuceria and effectively kidnapping Angron. After that we flip over to Kharne and his early rise through the legion. We then close out with the first implantation of butcher’s nails into the World Eaters and the legion’s descent on the road to Khorne.PatreonMerchandiseDiscord Link:Our WebsiteRetro RecallOur Sponsors:* Check out BetterHelp: https://www.betterhelp.com* Check out Pebl: https://hellopebl.com* Check out Pebl: https://hipebl.ai* Check out Shopify: https://shopify.com/loreAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the 40K lore cast. Welcome to the 40K lore cast with me, John Barcotti and Bradchester. This guy. On today's cast, the second time in 30 minutes. Sorry, guys, forgot to hit the record button again. Hopefully we might be even more exciting at question mark. It's usually better the second time around. So if it kind of dies the 30 minute mark, it's because that was all the repeat stuff.

And then we had to go start fresh. But today, we're diving into one of the most tragic of all the Trader legions, the World Eaters. Wait a that. My, what was Brad's first army ever put on the board in 40K? And I've got some opinions on them. One, John and I are going to have some differing views on the world eaters, especially some of their main characters. Yeah.

Chaotic evil, the Legion, maybe chaotic good starting with their prime art. They were never good. No, the prime art. No, they were always. No. His jeans seat sucks. We're doing this. We're getting to it a little bit, but I,

I just, I think Angron, we're going to spend a lot of time on Angron today. I have a lot of opinions on Angron. You're like the gene seed. You're like, the milk is gone bad. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we put his gene seed in people. What happened?

They became frothing murderers. Oh. Well, I don't think chaotic good. Did they become or we'll talk about where they got them at first. We will. Fair enough. But I just might point out like Angron's first move was the murder a bunch of it. It was Eldar, but still, we'll get into that.

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when you hit 9,000 people, it's 9,000 actual people, not 500 people and 8,500 bots. But with that, let's get into the 12th Legion again. The world leaders originally knows the 12th Legion. What makes them different from their other legions, though, and even their traitor brethren, is that much of their history is redacted. from Imperial records, not because they turned traitor, because we don't have this for any of the legions,

like Death Guard, Thousand Sons, it's not redacted. These guys got redacted before they went Trader because they were that messed up of a Legion. Quit killing everyone. Yeah. You're like, we invaded the fortress. You're like, and I'm now in the hospital killing people. Why are you there?

Stop, stop, stop, stop. Okay, we can't let anybody know that that happened. I think you can only follow down a few times. Like, why is it every single building in every settlement that's the world that used red paint all over the walls? Oh, God, that's not red paint. Oh, oh. So 12th Legion, formed during the unification wars like any other Legion. However, they saw very little combat during this time, at least according to Imperial Records.

What's more interesting about this time for them is how they were formed. So as the emperor is conquering the techno-barbarian tribes, he's assimilating them into his own forces. and part of the simulation, for whatever reason, was a psychometric test, which implies that the emperor has an HR department, which I now need to do a cast on. I want to do a bunch of time on the emperor's HR department. Who's in charge of the emperor's HR department?

Macador, Valdoor, and the emperor? It's worth that. No, it's not who's right. That's who the HR department has to report to. So people complain into the HR department, and then HR has to go meet with Malcador or Valdo about something like, I don't know, my boss is hammering nails into my skull.

And Malcador, and then looking at Malcador and Valdoer saying, what should I do about that? And I'm assuming their response is going to be murder the person complaining. And again, we have to look at, okay, ready, we're going to take these groups and separate, them by their scores. So you've got, hey, these guys are really good from the, we're going to go into where they came from, the nobility for emperor's children, the iron hands were durable technical

waste guys. Pyril fists were from the major cities, basically those legions that can operate. One of the things that their peer of fists do really well, we talked about it, was operate inside cities and civilization and not screw everything up. Or you have the other pile of, hey, are you why? wildly unstable and like killing people. And that was a pile that you think would be like, we're not going to use these people.

And then you went, nah, we're going to make an entire legion out of these people. Yeah, I'm going to reference a very good movie, Young Frankenstein, when Igor is looking for the brains. And it's abnormal. Do not use. Because abbe normal. Yeah. And that's what this was. There's a whole pile of, yeah, these people are just horrifying and all they want to do is murder and kill.

Okay, cool. They're going to go over to section. four and we're going to make a legion out of them. What's interesting is to Brad's points, every other legion, well, not every, but a bunch of the legions were at least, there was some ethnic grouping around them. Either they were of nobility, they came from this certain sector, whatever was. The world leaders came from everywhere, and it was like, yeah, this person just likes murder, but also more importantly, doesn't do subtle murder.

Because we have a different group for subtle murder. If you're more like, I'm really good at hiding me on a doorway, jump down and getting somebody, I got you the legion for that. I need the person who runs straight at them with a sharp stick and goes, I'm going to poke everyone's eye out. I would go farther than that, though, because you can get the person that runs straight at them heroically in combat. These were, I will kill everyone around me in combat. Yeah, that's true. I'm also, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to run over there.

I'm going to stab with a stick that I'm going to take his body and stab other people with his body. They're a little bit loopy. If you had some problems, again, oh, no, they turned to chaos. I can't believe it. What? They started in chaos. The only story that's not redacted from this era is the deployment against the group of people called the Sa-Afric.

What is it again, John? S-A-Safrix, S-A-A-A-P-R-I-C-K, whatever that comes out to. There's no details about the engagement or any of it, all that is. is known is that the 12th Legion was made as a spearhead for the assault. They pierced the enemy fortification and killed everyone there. Not, and no, they don't say the defenders. It's quite likely they slaughtered the entire population once they got in there. Yeah. And I bring that up, I said that. It just is. Yeah, because they didn't see any more action. Not only did they not see any more action in the unification wars.

Right after the unification wars, the emperor goes to conquer soul. He sends every legion out to different parts of soul to bring to either conquer or bring something or convince someone to be on their side. Nope. The 12th Legion did not get sent anywhere.

They were... They watched sensitivity training at home. Yes. Which, by the way, I don't know what sensitivity video they were sent. It was the wrong one. They got worse. like wildly worse. Yeah, yeah.

They're going to send him, hey, here's their sensitivity training and some of them sent them like blood sport. They were like, all right, this is awesome, we can do this. Which is basically what they did do, by the way. During this entire period of time, the 12th Legion sat in their ships

and trained and trained. And they did train on, here's how you do siege warfare, here's how you do these things. And I think every one of those, every time that they brought up the, here's how you use a tank, you heard an entire chorus of boo coming out of the entire.

I feel the schedule was, morning is everything else, and afternoon and evening is punchy-punchy time because they were focused on melee combat. That's really all they wanted to do. Eventually, though, they do start getting deployed. And the emperor discovers pretty quickly he's created a monstrosity. Not an abomination, because an abomination's a failure, a monstrosity.

This is a monster that what he unleashed. leashes it does horrible, horrible things. And he was overjoyed with this to the point where he actually, well, he names them. Sorry. It's warhouse. Yeah. But it's just, it cracks me up because the upper is such a douche sometimes. Because their whole existence right now is to put other people in line, not the place

they're on, but to actually, oh, you don't, you want to know what will happen if we show up. Yeah, the emperor starts using the 12th Legion, like an attack dog. It's on the leash barking and snarling as a threat of, if I let go of this leash, you're not going to like what happens next. And the irony is that usually we talk about a dog on a leash barking and snarling. Oh, well, you know, it's barks worse than its bite. The best part of the 12th Legion was the bark. That was a gentle tickle compared to what would happen if they were released.

But there was a problem with that. And the problem is that when released, they would overkill. So they actually did a second founding. And this actually might be where Gilliman got his original idea from, where they broke the Legion up down to less than 10,000 per. They didn't call them chapters, but I'm going to call them chapters because it makes my life easier of 12th Legion. But they were then done was they were then spread across and they were used in conjunction with the other legions. Again, you couldn't deploy the World Eaters with anyone else as a full Legion because they're just going to go kill everything.

There's only no purpose of this. But what they would do is he'd send them out with 1,000 sons, Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, and just say, look, if you guys were, they're into a problem where there's a defender who's just a little bit too dug in, cool, fire some of these drop pods down there. They'll dig them out. And actually, that's a good thing we should probably spend some time on is how the Emperor's legions were set up, because the 12th Legion really were quite unique. You know, the majority of the 20 legions fell into what I would call traditional warfare,

which is siege warfare, fortification warfare, lightning strikes, armored assaults. That's what, I mean, there's actually a good amount of overlap in most legions for that. There's a few extras between the Ravenguard, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion that are what I would call psychological warfare. The Alpha Legion are masters of infiltrating and actually causing rebellion. So if you're a, for example, let's say you're running. a system or even a planet. And the emperor comes and says, you know,

what would be the emperor? But someone comes to you and says, we want you to join the Imperium. Your citizenry might be on team. Yeah, it'd be cool to join them, but you're on team, I don't want to go broke, so I'm going to say no. All of a sudden, some of your best friends end up murdered in the night, and you realize, oh, I should probably say yes.

That's Alpha Legion. Yep. The next one is Ravenguard, who are more designed to make you realize your military is ineffective, because what they would do is, Out of nowhere, they just lightning strike your military, and your military be like, have sensors. Yeah. I love the Ravenguard for this, though,

because they wouldn't crush their military. They would just lightning strike them and take off. I mean, the Ravenguard suffered until they suffered all, very few casualties in their engagements, because a lot of times they wanted that military to be there after they were conquered because that became the planetary defense force, and it helped out. Yeah, I mean, like if you guys know,

I kickbox for a while. I think of the Ravenguards having this really fast, nasty jab. But just throw out tips to say, hey, by the way, this is how hard I could hit you if I wanted to. Maybe you don't try to fight us because you're going to lose terribly. And what happens, the military would go to the planetary leader to say, yeah, yeah, we're done, guys. Let's go join this Imperium thing. The last two hours puts on time on. The difference between them in the 12th Legion is the night lords, and then we're going to get to the dark angels in a second.

And these guys are so much different because I think a lot of people think that just because they are terror, both of them could be considered terror troops. But they don't work the same way. It's not even close. No. What the nightlords do is, again, Noglons would deploy to a planet where you'd conquered part of it or maybe a system where you've conquered one planet. And they would do horrible things there. They are going to flay people alive. They are going to do terrifying things there.

But the purpose of the night lords was to sit there and say to the populace, you don't. don't want to resist me. If you resist me, when I get there, I conquer you, I will do this. They're trying to pacify the populace. And why that's, has wildly different than the 12th Legion is because they weren't there to pacify anybody. Yeah. There is no populace. That's the difference. The night lords are trying to pacify the remaining populace. The 12th Legion, there is no populace. the 12th Legion, when they were deployed, they were deployed in an exterminata style. They are going to wipe out everyone, everything. Every being dies.

Almost all your buildings are going to be destroyed. That is what they did when they went somewhere. Because the idea of the 12th Legion is that they would use them to make an example of what resistance to the Imperium is. And the difference between that and the dark angel, So the First Legion, we've covered before, is significant. Both the First Legion and the Twelfth Legion were used to exterminate us a planet. They would both leave nothing left.

But the First Legion did it in secret. The First Legion would go out and they would go to the Emperor would, it would be the Emperor, maybe Malcador, would send them somewhere where there's a Zenos that they don't want anyone knowing about, possibly chaos taint, and they would be sent there and they would wipe it completely. And later, some settlers would arrive on a planet and go, wow, this place is really nice. Why has no unsettled it before?

And everyone would go, no idea. 12th Legion, exactly the opposite. You wanted everybody to know. Yeah, the 12th Legion, you would arrive on the planet, and there would be a giant pile of skulls and bodies from the prior inhabitants to make sure everyone understands. Yeah, when we say comply, we mean comply. And they embrace this pretty hard, by the way, as elite.

They take a lot of pride in not just conquering their foes, but doing it in no way that instills fear, not just in other planets, but even other legions didn't like being around them. Lord knows the Guard and the Imperial, at this point the Imperial military, didn't want anything to do with the 12th Legion. Yeah, because if you fought anywhere near him,

you were going to get killed. Yeah. And where the Emperor starts using the 12th Legion for is two areas. First is people who are resisting too hard, the compliance, where you go to the system and they say, yeah, I'm not joining you. And the 12th Legion would just attack one planet. And whoever's running the system would get to see, oh, they just slaughtered every single being on that. Maybe we should take the emperor's offer up, take a second shot.

But the bigger one they were used for was actually imperial compliance. Because you show up with your space marine legions and say to a system, you're going to be part of the Imperium now or else. A lot of them will say, yeah, yeah, sure. They join. And then when all that military leaves, they're like, yeah, we're not paying that tax. That's not happening, right? However, the imperial tithe is a real, you can do a lot of things.

If you are a governor, a planetary or system governor, one thing that you can't do is not pay your tithe. Yeah. And what would happen is if he didn't pay the tithe, it's quite possible a bunch of 12th legion ships would appear in orbit. And as a member of the Imperium, you know what that means. And you've got a minute to decide, I think I should start paying the tax. I should pay all the back taxes and any penalties therein?

Because nope, because otherwise they could deploy and new settlers will arrive on the planet, hopefully carrying a whole lot of club soda because there's going to be some stains on the furniture. This is so hard to get out. Yeah, it's like just really scrubbing. Like, can we just, can you guys print me a new one? Is there an STC for leather couch? I'm just throwing it out there because this thing's wrecked. Luckily, they were about to meet their prime mark.

Yeah. And things are going to get so much better, right? Oh, God. I mean, it is funny because most of the legions, when you hear about, they were lost. And then they found the prime mark and it recentered them. The other way, that includes ones who went to Trader. Not these ones. These ones actually were doing, the 12th Legion was doing great.

and then Angron came in and they just kept doing it. It just was like, yeah, we're going to do the exact same thing. But let's talk about Angron. Angron's tricky. Quick recap, everybody. Angron, for those, if this is your first time listening to us or any of this stuff, every prime mark was created by the emperor using a combination of his genetic material, tearing genetic material, and a whole lot of warp power.

Really, it was just a sausage. It's a warp sausage. It's a bunch of warp wrapped up in a human. That's how I like to look at them. the primarks. And we'll get to there shortly, but the creation of Angron is a bit more complicated because it's hard to discern what the emperor was trying to create there. He's an empath. He was legitimately an empath, was his superpower. Every Primark has their signature superpower. Agrads, before all the stuff happened to him, was he's an empath. Yeah, my theory on that,

we'll get there a second. My theory in this, we'll get there a few minute. So all the prim marks got teleported out of their gestation pods to random planets throughout the galaxy. And each of the planet was meant to tempt the primark into falling in chaos by placing them in a setting that would encourage rebellion against the emperor, thereby like embracing the dark powers. It was Star Wars. I mean, they just did a ripple of Star Wars. They wanted all the primarks to turn on the imperial center that could save Padme. That was basically how this was written. Some of the planets were a bit more subtle, like Ultramar is an interesting one to me, because Ultramar was actually meant to tempt Giliman into being the facets of leadership,

because he could see himself as the greatest leader in the entire galaxy, which the hope was that he would look at the emperor as a less capable leader and would therefore overthrow him. And that didn't work at all. Not at all, but it's a better. It's a shot, whereas Mortarian was on Nusaria, where it was like, again, hey, everyone who's in charge and is a psycher is a horrible person. You should murder them all.

To be fair, Lorgar is probably the most subtle because Lourgar was just put somewhere where he would naturally learn about chaos. It was even that subtle. They worship the gods of chaos on his planet. But it was a more subtle thing of like when the emperor comes, he's, yeah, I actually know about the greatest secret that you are that you have.

But it wasn't like they were trying to make him overthrow the emperor, probably because he was too weak to do it. But all that being said, Nusaria was not subtle. Ew. Okay, so Nusaria is a true world of nightmares. This is as bad as it can be without having demons or Dark El Dor running around, although I have a theory on that second part. It is so bad that after the emperor found Angron, he had its location and name purged for Imperial Records. It's entirely possible that Nusaria never existed. In fact, it kind of becomes a fun question of what is the real story? here. Because it can be a fan, this is more of a fan fiction thing, but was Angron actually born on Terra? Did all of this stuff happen in like a dark room? And it's always a volcano because it's the

freaking G.W. Dr. Evil. But yeah, is that piece of did New Syria actually exist? I know, yeah, later they go there, but do they? This becomes it because, but let's go with what New Syria is supposed to be. It's supposed to be a technologically advanced world where all the power and wealth are concentrated within a wealthy set of oligarchs. And the rest of the population is just an abject poverty. And they were ruled with just extreme force, brutalizing. Brutalizing, yeah. Extreme force is one thing.

They were doing it as sport, though. Because they had full, they didn't treat anybody, besides the oligarchs, they just treated everybody else as nothing, play things, like whatever. Or workers, though. Because this isn't like barbarous where the leaders are super-powered, psychored necromancers who actually can just who can rule over it. These were actually humans. This was a human colony.

And so what they had was they had a military and they were just massively oppressive down. But what they did, the quotes, pacify the population was they took a page out of ancient Rome. And actually, if I'm being honest, modern society. And they added sports. Lots and lots of sports. But the sports are just murder sport. It was all glad to robocamp. It was Colosseum.

Yeah. They built Coliseums. they were just like ancient Rome, you had one main colosseum at the capital, and a much of small ones all over the place. They were constantly having really brutal levels of combat. And I'll point out that if you actually read more, the more you read about no Saria, the more it sounds like Kamara.

And there is an element. Because Kamara existed at this point, don't forget, because Kamara predates all this. I'm just saying it's possible, is the other piece. here. Because again, we don't know what or where a new Saria is. And there's be more evidence to my... I'll give you this because he was the only

primary that wasn't successful in what he did. Because this was supposed to be bred in the circuses, ancient Rome. They took care of the populace by just giving them these huge events. Also, they were taking anybody that could possibly rise against them and making them gladiators.

Yeah. So Angron as a small child lands on this random mountain on New Saria. And there's a local slaver who's wandering him out of looking for people to abduct, and he comes upon Angron. But what he comes upon is not just a child. It's a small child. It's hard to figure out how big Angron was at this point, basically lying unconscious, surrounded by a pool of blood of dead Zenos, which we learned later as a book called the Slave of Nusaria. They were Eldar. A bunch of Eldar, the theory is that the Eldar knew what Angron could become and actually went

to go murder it. And then, yeah, Brennan both love Eldar, but aspect warriors are no match for a baby prime mark. I'm just assuming they sent Dyer Avengers or something. Yeah, it just got, you could have said anything. I'm sorry, you're not going to. I think it's fight out. You're not going to, there are no aspect warriors who are going to take out of prime market. In the game, they were.

It's easy. I've done it numerous times. On the tabletop, it's nothing. I mean, I say that people who are currently playing Warhammer with the lion are like, I got wrecked last week. He died in one turn. What are you talking about? But in theory.

This is why the origin of Angron makes me super angry, though, because he's this powerful primary, even as a child. But like random Ted the slaver was able to instantly incapacitate him. Yeah. And this is why I do have a theory. I actually do think Nusaria is in the webway. I think Noesaria is pre. I guess they were Dark Elder at this point.

That's my weird. I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong. I know I'm wrong about this. But the stories make a bit more sense that way. If he's being captured not by a human slaver who just, oh, yeah, I can, this guy just killed 15 Eldar, but I'll just put a pair of handcuffs on him and carry him off somewhere. No.

Or this is a homunculus who actually was able to knock him unconscious and then take him back to the fighting pits. But to Brad's point, Angron has a special power, and it is his empathy, sort of. You know what? You will not poo on this. And also, we're about to use a movie comparison, and you will not poo on the Green Mile either,

because that movie is magical. Yeah, anyway. All right. So Angron's powers is the power of, I don't know the name of the character in the Green Mile. I guess it won an Oscar, so it's probably a good movie. But it's, if you never see it, you'll be fine. That's more what I'm getting it.

You know what? We're going to get hate for that because you're poo-pooing in a great movie. It's a good movie. But what I'm saying is not like you have to have seen it. Like I am more upset if you haven't seen the movie Airplane than if you haven't seen Green Mile. That's all I'm saying. All right. All right. That's fair. Like one of the- I can get on board with that. Yeah. One of them's sad. The other one's not. There is a bit really sad.

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worst thing for you, your worst feelings, your worst everything. He actually takes them onto himself and loads them onto himself, which may have overloaded him later in life. But that's his power. His other superpower is Angron can fight. And that's probably his real, like, superpower. We talk about it. But no, Angron, Angron is, because this is where my issue with is, I tend to lean more to the second one there, because he's supposed to be this, like, compassionate and loving

leader. But the 12th Legion are made from his gene scene. I really do think that he was supposed to be the person that was a person that was diplomatting it up. Then why when I insert his gene seat into a person did they become the greatest murderer ever? Because you keep inserting it into

crazy people. If I put compassion into a crazy person, shouldn't it middle them out a little bit? It just feels like it feels like we should be like he should be taking the edge off, not sharpening it. He understands what you're afraid of and murders you with it. It isn't.

It becomes this weird little thing of GW. I don't know what GW's trying to do here because if Angron's supposed to be this person who has got great empathy and great understanding of the needs, desires, and fears of those around him, why is his legion this violent? It goes into, well, the nails are going to be a real problem with that. That's definitely a thing. That's definitely a thing. But let's go into Angron and what converts Angron over to being the worst thing ever. So Angron arrives in the main city of Nusaria, and they immediately throw him into the pit of fighters. And what they do is he's a small child,

and they give him a, I think they gave him a sword. I actually don't even know. And he's standing on a ziggurat, which, Google it, with a bunch of other combatants, all of a sudden the ziggurat begins descending. And as it descends, there's a pool of acid all around it. And so The further it goes down, the less space there is to stand, therefore kill each other. And a crying Angron murders everyone until he's the only one standing there. Like a couple years old at this point. At this point, the rulers of Nusiris say, yep, we like this pit fighter. And they name him.

This is where he gets his name Angron. Angron, Tharul, Falkre. Falkrie. Child of the mountain. God, it's so lame because they found him on a mountain. So they named him, shout of the mountain.

You know who else was found on the mountain? Most of the other people. That's my point. I just, this is lazy. Like, I'm sorry, does Robote Gilamine Gilliman mean child of logistics?

No, it does not. Stop giving these people terrible names. But Angron's ability as a warrior start getting fostered as he's growing. And he becomes the greatest gladiator in the history of Nusaria. I mean, his story is, Spartacus.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's what I'm going to go to. And when I say greatest warrior, I mean, it's more not like Fulgram, because Fulgram was this really like artistic warrior who could, he just cut your throat at a distance and parry blows. Angron beat his opponents to death. It didn't matter what you handed him.

He would win it. Effectively, G.W. watched the original Gladiator, which came out in the year 2000 for the record, which does not make me feel good about myself, but how old I am. Glad Eater came out in 2000. A lot of the Angron books came out on 2003, 2006. I'm just saying, I think we know where the idea came. It bugs me that he keeps escaping. He's not allowed to continue to be free.

Like, he gets caught and brought back. Yeah. How? Just how? Yeah. So this is, again, one of the areas of Angron that's a little bit annoying. So Angron doesn't, he's a prime arc. He doesn't really want to be caged.

And as we said before, this is a. planet in theory of humans. I still think it could be dark, El Dor, but they don't know how to cage a Primark. So he keeps escaping. And every time he escapes, they catch him, which no explanation of really how that's functionally possible, but he keeps getting back.

And the mistake that he realizes later is that he keeps doing it solo. And we'll get to that in a bit. At this moment, though, Angron's starting to get on the nerves of the leaders of New South. Saria. Because not only is he escaping a lot, but he's not that well behaved when they put him inside the arena. Again, reference the movie Gladiator. Angron is put in Gladiator combat to kill people,

but he keeps sparing them. Not all of them, just the ones who fight really well. He spares their lives, even when the leaders of Noceria don't want him to. And he slowly, again, I'm going to keep putting out gladiator becomes more popular and more popular. So the populace begins to love him. And so now the leaders in no Syria have a little bit of an issue. Their best fighter pit guy is getting pretty popular. And they need to bring him to heal. And, ha, butchers nails. Let's just say that the age of technology was a super cool time. But, so, you know, Some of the stuff that came out of that wasn't super great. Yeah, when we discussed it, the age of technology,

we've almost in all of our cast discussed it more as a positive. Incredible STCs, weaponry, technology, all this stuff. All things are meant to uplift mankind. There was some other stuff, though. And one of them was the butcher's nails, created for really unknown purpose, although some recent books have hinted at the real purpose of them. and very long-lost technology.

These things are metal rods of sort with electromagnetic power. They're implanted into your skull. Once they're in there, they actually will blind you to compassion and drive you to violence because what they do is a couple pieces. One of the things is that they hurt you anytime you do anything, compassion.

You suffer monstrous pain. What it does is it basically bakes your body stop producing serotonin. The serotonin is the chemical that makes you feel good. That's what, you know, your joy, it all comes out of serotonin. What it does is when your adrenaline spikes, your body will then make it. So what this in effect does is unless you're really active and being aggressive and doing things, you are miserable, getting more miserable.

It also will shut off some of your pain receptors. So it turns you into just naturally, it's more of a Pavlovian response. It drives you into being this just. murder creation because the only way you will feel any joy is through killing and through adrenaline. And if you don't kill, you feel sadness. But also as you're killing, that adrenaline is rushing through your system, you're also not feeling pain. So it's not so much that it makes you a horrifying warrior. It's just you don't have a choice but to be one. And these things are, these are, This is nightmare technology, simply put.

I still think, Kamara, this doesn't sound like a creation of humanity. This is a homunculus creation. I was just about to say this is a Coven thing for sure. This is, yeah, this is 100% something the Coven would inject. And I still would argue maybe it's all just redacted history. And Angron was actually on. Maybe he wasn't in the Webway. Perhaps it was just one of the worlds that had been settled by the Eldar, and it was outside of the Webway.

but this just has all the markings of Dark El Dorr all over it. This level of manipulation, it's just, and then the fighting pits, just pointing it out. So do we want to go into your least favorite parts of all of the Primark stories? His mentor, his father figure. Yeah, there's every time. Your favorite. Every time they have the Primark. And here's my mentor.

So fine. Angron has the, because of course, there's some older pit fighter named Onamaeus, by the past tense, who grew up in the pits and spent all his days fighting in the pits. And he really had a taking to Angron and wanted to make him and made him into a better warrior. And they were, of course, best friends. And as best buddies, they would slaughter anyone and everyone in the pit together.

Anyway, it's just lazy writing. That's why I get upset about this one. At one point, Angron is in the pit, fighting next to his buddy, Onomace, and they actually were fighting to Ogrin who'd had butcher's nails put in them. And at the end of the fight, they're victorious, and the rulers of Neusaria in an effort to bring Angron to heal, tell Angron he now has to fight on Amos and to kill him, to which Angron gives them the old stone called Steve Austin salute and walks away. That was enough.

The Nusarians were like, that's it. We're done with this. we're going to now put the butcher's nails in. And the reason they hadn't done this before is Angron was a really good warrior. And when you put butcher's nails in someone, yes, they can still fight, but they become a little less capable. That's just the best way to explain. They also will eventually die from them. Yes.

And so they didn't want to do it, but they did it. And so they shoved the butcher's nails in there. And effectively, he wakes up and he wakes up and Onomace is the only thing in the room with him, at which point he actually terrible. Arizona Amas apart with his bare hands. After this, like, moment, the clarity kicks in. He sees what he's done. And Angron realizes that he has to leave.

And he focuses his rage on the rulers. We're getting out of here. Yeah. And he does, this is where we, now we're going to start ripping. Instead of ripping off Gladiator, now we're going to rip off Spartacus because, you know, IP violations are fun. And Anger leads a full rebellion of the. fighters within Nusaria into a and they break out from the bottom which probably wasn't that hard

and if you're talking it basically so all the best fighters in the entire city are concentrated in this one place yeah what's surrounding them very squishy citizens and so they do so they break out and they of course by the way do slaughter the entire populace between them oh they wreck it which is like that's why we talk about oh Angron had a lot of compassion when his fighters broke out they murdered Ted, Eric, and Sarah on their way up the door. He's got butcher's nails in by this point. Yes, but I'm saying he did.

But one of the big things about this is they're dominating and they could have got the hell out of there and instead they just go into the mountains and chill. Just like they know exactly where they are. This is such a terrible plan. It's a weird thing because, yeah, exactly. The rulers of

Nusaria, Angron and his guys, they slaughter their way out. And the rulers of Nossaric step back and they watch and Angron, they all go up to the hills and they just go, all right, we'll just do a war of attrition here. And they keep sending warriors and fighters after them and over time just to whittle them down. And it's within a couple years, Angron's forces have gone from close to 2,000 that he'd escaped with to less than 1,000. Yeah, but he's also in a barren rock. They don't have enough food. This is just such a bad idea. It's a terrible idea. But this is where

everything turns for the worst. And where it all turns for the worst is a fleet arrives in orbit that no one against the planet can see. It's the emperor. And the emperor was drawn there by Grun's psychic powers, like he came with all of his sons. And he looks down at the situation, and he's joyed to see that Angron stood up to tyranny and freed his brothers from slavery. Yeah, there's a lot of irony in that statement, by the way. Oh, wow. So he and some customers, Toad's teleport down to the surface to talk to him. And he congratulates Angron all he's accomplished. He informs him that he's now earned his place to lead one of the emperor's legions.

And come with me. And Angron looks at him, looks at the custod and says, no, and walks away. He tells him that this is his place. He's not going to ban his bed. Yeah, it's awesome. I'm saying, he's just a bad-ass thing. By the way, the emperor could have solved this in 1.8 seconds. Oh, yeah.

The emperor, but I do want to put it. This is a key thing about Angron's power. The emperor emanates psychic energy. When you meet the emperor, it makes you want to please him. It also makes you see him. However, whatever way is the most beneficial for him, Angron looked at him and went, yeah, no, I'm not doing any of that crap, and walked away. And that is a little bit.

This should have been a nice warning sign to the emperor of maybe this guy's got some issues. The emperor then, and his custodes leave. He gets back up on his ship and he looks down, he realizes Angron's about the die. The Nusarians... Yeah, they brought everybody. They brought the kitchen sink. They surround his forces. And, yeah, the emperor could have went, flick, I conquered Nusaria, but... Let's go through. So the emperor here is faced with three choices. Choice one, abandon Angron to die. Probably would have been the better choice. Option two, uses massively superior force to invade Nusaria, kill all those leaders, uplift the population, and bring a world into

of her compliance. Or option C. Wait, and let's do it at the end. Probably get a wildly loyal now, Angron, as one of your leaders of your legions. And an amazing recruiting world for space marines. Yes. Or there's options C. Dick move.

Wow. Also, you can't believe that this guy wasn't super loyal to me after this. And I want to put out, again, this planet was technologically advanced, but not that advanced. And the emperor had custodes with him and him. himself. He could have conquered this thing in like an hour and a half while talking on the phone. Yeah, as we want to say, while he's also ordering out trying to figure out, you guys want a Korean barbecue? Are we going to get a next day? Just this would have been nothing thing. Instead, he does,

here's a good TV reference. He quantum leaps Angron. Oh, God. Yeah. As Angron and his forces are rushing down to engage with the Nusarians, the emperor teleports him out. into the hold of his own ship. Angron, by the way, from that hold, watches as all of his brethren get slaughtered. Because without Angron there to lead them, it doesn't go well. Angron then turns, he's surrounded by custodes.

And it's not giving any shits about that, though. He kills a custod in this process. By the way, he was barehanded. The custodes had spears, and he killed one with his bare hands. At which point, the emperor just knocks him out psychically. Angron awakens and starts screaming at the emperor, why? Why would you do this?

You could have saved all of us. Why this? And the emperor says, quote, you lack vision. His question. Yeah, his question. And he tells him, basically, we're doing this is, we're not about small squabbles and this. And he's with time, you will understand what I did. By the way, it does not work out that way.

I'm pretty sure if you go to Angron right now, he's absolutely not. Yeah, Angron is furious. And so the emperor just kind of goes, yeah, yeah, angry guy. Go over there. And they send him over to the 12th Legion and just shove him in the hold of one of their main ships. Because he just bids and tells those guys to OF themselves. And he sits there by himself. Also, the Emperor bails and tells the Legion, hey man, convince him to run the Legion.

Yeah. But you can't attack him. Yeah. What happens next is. they start sending captains down there to talk to him. The first one is the one I feel the most bad for because he probably went in there, awesome, I'm going to go tell this guy,

we have our prime mark now, I'm going to explain to him how great we are. We are this incredible legion. Here are the worlds we've conquered. He didn't get through the age of hello before Angron pulled his arms off of it. Angron just took him like the juggernaut on. Oh, Dead Pool 2. Yeah.

Like, just that's, and so the second guy goes in there, and it's the same thing. So they get through this. Eventually seven legionnaires captains enter, and Angron beats them all to death until the eighth one goes in. And before we jump into the eighth one, backstory time.

For those of you who are newer to the game, having a Primark be part of the tabletop was crazy. It was 2017 when we got our first Primark. We never thought we would get one on the table because they were so wildly O.P. Ever. There was no way.

Yes, they did technically exist in second edition, but as if you listen to our history of 40K, you'll realize the second edition is a little bit goofy. It went away pretty quick. So for six editions, all of the major factions were led by a key, like kind of, I would call mortal character. Typhus, Calgar, Aramon, Abadon, Torgadon, all those types of people.

That's who would be the most powerful and most influential part of your legion. For the world leaders, this was Karn. And Karn is going to come up right now. Not going to give his full, full name there? No, because I cannot pronounce that full name. There are limits. No, no, I'm talking about his moniker. Card of the betrayer.

He's not Karn the Betrayer. That is right now he's not. I'm just saying, but you're talking about names, though. By way, spoiler alert, guys, this is going to be a three-part cast on World Eaters. The third one, we're going to do a lot of Karn. He's important now. He comes a little bit less important, and then he becomes really important for the Legion. So Karn is born on Terra.

He's one of the first members of the 12th Legion. In fact, as a neophyte, he was pretty obvious. Hey, this guy can fight. He was so savage that people were me like, yeah, this one's going to be really good. But a couple key foreshadowing events happened to Karn during his neophyte phase, also known as Scout, also known as Brad's sacrifice to the enemy. No. They get his, which you always love, his mentor.

Yeah. Grunner, but the best part about him is they went, hey, everybody's not doing enough, and you should help them by beating the crap out of them mercilessly. That's how I get better. Gruner, this is why I stay. The 12th Legion were evil from the start. Gruner is helping train Karn to be this incredible leader. and they bond as not like as friends, barely as mentors.

He's bonded as well with Gruner as you could for Gruner being a murdering psychopath. And Karn also a murdering psychopath. Like, Gruner wasn't baking him cookies and bringing them to him. They were just like, hey, I'm going to turn you into the greatest murderer ever. The important thing that Gruner does for Karn, though, is the traditions of the war dogs, the 12th Legion. He talks about something called The Contest. And at this point, by the way, this Legion is three years old.

I'm just going to say it's, you go tradition. This is, hey, man, we occasionally do stuff. Yeah, we've got a tradition in our three-year-old Legion. It's really important. It goes back really far. Like, really? But anyway, it sounds cool when you call it a tradition. So the contest is literally a contest.

And all it says is, for whoever can accumulate a thousand skulls wins. That's it. So Karn asks two questions. First off, what do I get if I win? To which Gruner shrugs his shoulders and says, I don't know. No one's ever won. Spoiler. Cairn's going to win this later.

Question number two is where do I get the skulls? To which Gruner and the other spaces begin laughing. Because it's implied. It's from the conquest and killing. We're not going to give you the skull. I'm going to easy. You have to go find them because the skull throne doesn't build itself off donations. You have to go and get them. And the people that you're getting them from are fairly

unwilling to give them. Yeah, they're big fans of their current skull and don't want to hand it over. So it's not long in before Karn elevates himself to a layer of command from the 12th Legion. He's more savage and ruthless than really anybody else. Karn and Typhus have a lot in common. They are both real examples of what this Legion's going to become. And Karn is, he's also tough as all hell. That's probably his superpower at this point. He is, the term I use him is he's stubborn, but not stubborn like you can't, he's rude. I mean, he was that as well, but it's more he's just too stubborn to die. No matter what you do to him.

I didn't hear no bell. Carn has a lot of actually similarities to a lot of the primarks in that, in the sense of you put massive adversity in front of him. He doesn't care. He just keeps going because with anger and hate. So this all comes to fruition is Carn. is, of course, the eighth important number, person to walk into confront Angron. And as we said before, the Emperor told them, you're not allowed to hit the Angron. No stabbing Angron.

You have to convince him with your words, which is just, again, thanks, Galaxy's Most Powerful Psycher. None of us have that power. So Angron has been butchering everyone. Karn walks in the room and Angron attacks. And Karn just keeps... taking this beating and this beating and it's beating. But he's telling him the entire time about the achievements of the Legion and why Angron should be proud to be the leader of their Legion.

And he's beating Carn to death and he should be dead, actually. When we talk about he's telling Angron about it, he's basically as he's catching his breath from horrifying assaults, is expunging all of the success of the Legion. But what ends up moving Angron over, though, and what kind of halts Angeron's assault is that at no point does Carn beg for mercy. Karn takes this beating and this beating, and he never wants to ask for mercy. He never pleads. And Angron looks at Carn and realizes this actually is a warrior I'm talking to here.

Because, you know, the other ones were, it was implied of them were cowards. Because that was Angron's biggest thing is he's given this Legion. And don't forget, he was in the middle of. a battle. And the emperor, rather than fight, ran, took him and took the easy way out. So he assumes that's how all of the imperium functions, they're cowards. He would have fought. But now here's Karn, who just is taking this beating from him. No matter what he does to him, Karn continues. And so Angron says, all right, tell me more. And Angron lets Karn explain to him all the histories of the Legion, all the accomplishments they have. And he goes, okay, you've got something.

I can work with here. You're not there yet, but you got something I can work with there. You got Moxie, kid, and I'm going to deal with it. Now, what's fun about this is that Angron comes out, still hates the whole Legion, but basically says, I like this one guy. It's the scene from half-baked. I'm not going to quote it, but there we go. But that's Carn. And he decides to promote Carn to be as Equiry, E-Q-U-E-R-R-R-Y. Equary? Let me go with Equary. All right. an equery is the personal confident of a prime mark. It's the highest title within a legion, but there's a little bit of an issue with Karn getting that title.

Yeah, because hold on. I'm jumping all over this because you just said it's personal confident. No, the biggest thing that he's supposed to do is stay the hand of the leader when it's appropriate. You chose Karn as that guy who would not stay your hand. If you were thinking about not killing someone, he would call you out and put him. probably kill that person.

Well, that's what I say. He would stay your hand. He's supposed to be the voice of reason. Yeah, sure. Fun story. I mean, I guess technically Karn might be more of a voice of reason than an Angron. Actually, no, not at this stage. At current stage, 40K, Karn might be.

And we are really, this is a complicated debate right there. Yeah. Angron puts the, makes his second in charge, mini Angron, which is great. They're both susceptible fits of rage, both like killing everybody. Yeah, in some ways. Pretty good setup. They also hate everyone, including themselves. Yeah, themselves, their own legion, and we're going to talk about the other legions later.

So Angron now takes over the Legion because of his shape him. And he does a couple things that I just find kind of funny. First off, he's, the other Primarks, by the way, did get to meet. And there's that little nice old meet and greet moment. And overall consensus, we don't like Angron. And fun story, feeling with mutual. And by the way, got worse when they saw him in combat. It did really help that Angron would tell them how much he did not like them upon doing them.

Interesting thing, Angron, too, I should have mentioned us before. Karn was not the head of the Legion. In fact, since the 12th Legion had left Terra, they'd had a chaptermaster. And every other Legion had this. There was some chaptermaster, they meet the Primark, and they would seed control to the primark. The 12th Legion was led by a guy named Ibram Greer, who just, just disappears. Yep.

No time. This wasn't, he disappeared, by the way, like before this whole thing, Angkor was on. He just stopped existing randomly. Just weird side note. Did Angron murder him? Did Karn murder him? No one knows.

The Eppers throw him on an airlock. Yeah. Who knows? But he just disappeared. But Angron now takes full control of his Legion and just decides they're going to be the ultimate conquerors. Not the silly Rogel Dorn conquerors by the way. We're like, we're going to go to a planet and we're going to conquer it and we're

going to fortify it. No. Angron's Legion would be set upon anyone who resisted compliance and just remove them that stain that they are from history. Everything that any world they would go to, they would destroy and consume. Other Primarks, by the way, didn't love this system. Angron did goofy stuff. Like, he comes in there. He saw the training pits they had and discovered that they were using like less than lethal rounds? Nope. Make sure every sword is sharp.

Angron starts to make taking his legion and turns them into pit fighters who aren't fighting in pits. Oops. Yeah. It's recorded at this era that every single world, they were called the world eaters, but every single world eater was covered in scars. And it's from other world eater fighting. But can't argue with the results.

They are faster, more violent. They could pull imperial compliance better than anyone. As Angro is building up this Legion and making them better fighters, better fighters, he also, he does it two in multiple facets. Facet one was, yeah, I'm just going to make you guys train with live ammunition. Terrible idea. That's what we're going to do. I'm also going to basically triple up your level of combat.

We are going to be the best fighters. But the biggest one he added was you are going to succeed or else. and he brings in decimation, which, by the way, I'm doing this from memory, but I think Petarabo also did that, if I'm not mistaken. A different way. He was actually taking out, like, whole companies if they failed. But it was, those two are the ones who are a little bit messed up in this one. But yeah, so Angron's thing, and it was true decimation,

if you failed to achieve the goals Angron set forth from you, then 10 of you, one of you got to die by the other nine beating you to death. and that was something he expected, and that was just, that was it. It was not overly popular, by the way. The men, not huge fans of this method. This then gets worse because Angron really was just a crazy person. He decides that they should be able to pacify worlds in under one New Syrian day, which is 31 hours. If they can't do that, then decimation.

That becomes multiple worlds they're doing this on. and sometimes they achieve it, most oftentimes they did not. We're talking worlds and systems now, not just a skirmish. Yeah, not a city. 31 hours, space Marines, if the city's not space Marines, totally doable, but scouring a planet in 31 hours. Where this all comes to a head is a world called G-H-E-N-A. So I'm not saying Gena.

G-N-A-N-A is a fringe world that had barely served. survived the dark Egypt technology, war just ravaged it. And so the population actually were living in life-supporting pods. But using the various of like abominable intelligence and mind control, they built synths. And these synths were actually running the planet. The world leaders are sent to pacify it. Angron puts down his 31-hour time limit and says go. The world leaders deploy and they discover a problem.

there are so many sense here. It's not that the sense can fight. There's just too many. They actually cannot chop through them. There's not enough time to do it. And the timer runs out

and they go back to the ship to face judgment. And there's a centurion here named Magos, who's going to be important for about the next five, six minutes of this cast. I was just what to say.

Magos is a centurian and he comes in front of Angron. They have a back and forth. And Angron tells him, you failed. I expect you to decimate. And Magos says, no, I'm not doing that. And Angron screams them, not only, and says, not only are you doing it, you're going

to pick the first one who dies. Which Magos again says, yeah, no, I'm not doing that. Angron, out of nowhere, explodes with rage and begins, like, just crashing the room. And she starts killing other world eaters who are in the room. Anybody within reach. Interestingly, know who was within reach? Magos, you know, who didn't get killed? Magos.

They don't explain how that happened, by the way. He was the closest one to Angron where he flew into this rage and he was fine. And also, everybody else died. Yeah, he's, as this is going, though, the librarians, this is going to come up a couple times, use their sucking powers to knock Angron unconscious, like hard unconscious too, not a little,

hey, why don't you take a nap? He's all the way out. Now we're going to back up the story a little bit because this is all coming to fruition at the same time. Angron felt that his warriors were too weak. And the way he wanted to solve it was to take the butcher's nails that are in his head and put them in his legion. Because, you know, what worked once would work over and over again. Yeah.

And there's an apothecary there named Sirlock. Sirlock is an apothecary for the world leaders, so we're not starting off well. He's also a disciple and close friends of Fabius Bile. Oh, yeah, we're not doing great here. Sirlock sees this idea of butcher's nails and goes, great idea. I love this. Genius. Yeah.

The only problem is that every time they tried to put them in people, they died. They died horribly. So he's experimenting more and lots of legionaires are dying. Eventually, word gets back to all the rest of the Legion that Angron's planning on this. And Magos, the guy who just told Angron to go screw himself, and this is being before, this moment and some other centurians like yeah no we're not doing that fast forward while ang runs asleep they discover that sirlock has mastered it and he's ready to actually and there's implanting everyone else so they go marching down there to stop him and as they march down there

they run into karn and explain to karn surlock is going to start putting these butcher's nails in everyone's head. We have to stop him. Are you with us? And Karn kind of looked at them. By the way, why did you ask Karn this? And just says, no. And wanders away. Why did he wander away? Because Karn was on his way down to go see Sirlock to have said, butcher's nails shoved in his head. They were talking to patient zero. And everybody died until Kard. Until Karn. Karn basically was so angry that he's going out like that again. Again, ain't to hear no bell. It just popped up.

It was like, I used to be mad. That was not mad. Now I'm mad. Thanks to Karn, Sirlock now knows where to put these butcher's nails within someone's head. I assume, by the way, at this point,

Magos and the crew had gone to a different ship because what happens next is Sirlock starts implanting hundreds, I think, to the point of thousands of legionnaires with these butcher's nails. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom. But around this time, Angron wakes up.

And he does not wake up happy, I might add. Angron wakes up, and Karn is waiting for him. And when he wakes up, Karn has the butcher's nails, which are very easy to see. And Karn basically says, good news. Points at his head. Look what I got. And by the way, so to a few thousand other people.

I think we should go back down to Gennah. And at that point, we're going to break. And we're going to break because in the next cast, we're going to focus on more of the HR crisis that is Angron. I'm just saying as a manager, I've sat through a lot of HR trainings. They've never explicitly said I'm not allowed to put psychoactive nails in the skulls of my employees, but it was implied. It was definitely implied that that was a no.

Also, this gets some pretty negative feedback from the rest of the Imperium. Yes. So next week, we're going to dive into that and really the ultimate fall of Angron. So hope you guys like this so far, doing a lot more of it next week. This has been John Barsati and Brad Chester. This guy. I'll see you guys next week.