The Blindboy Podcast - Gargle on the Garibaldi Barbell you scandalous Anthonys

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Winning awards and Autistic burnout.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hi, I'm Sophia Lopercaro, host of the Before the Chorus podcast. We dive into the life experiences behind the music we love. Artists of all genres are welcome, and I've been joined by some pretty amazing folks like Glass Animals... I guess that was the idea, to try something personal and see what happened. ...and Japanese Breakfast. I thought that the most surprising thing I could offer was an album about joy. You can listen wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, and remember, so much happens before the chorus.

Gargle on the Garibaldi barbell, you scandalous Antonis. Welcome to the Blind By Podcast. If this is your first episode, please consider going back to an earlier episode to familiarise yourself with the lore of this podcast. I've been nominated for another award. I found out a couple of days ago that a documentary that I made last year called Blind by the Land of Slaves and Scholars. It's a documentary I made on RTE 1. It was framed as a documentary about the history of Irish Christianity. I

mean this is how it works with television. I didn't really want to make a documentary about Irish Christianity. I wanted to make a documentary about the Irish literary tradition. But what was being commissioned was a documentary about Irish Christianity, because it was being commissioned by the religious department in RTE. So I was like, okay, I wonder, can I get this documentary funded by the fucking religious department? But, still make it a documentary about writing. Which, that's a very enjoyable way to approach any project. You'll hear me speaking frequently about the value of failure.

Try to fail. That right there is an example of beginning a project with failure. The only department in RTE that are willing to fund a documentary is the religious department. I don't really want to make a documentary about religion. I don't give too much of a fuck about religion to tell you the truth. I adore certain religious writing as mythology, but the solemn reverence of a belief system. I'm not particularly too interested in that. But I am a writer, I write fiction, I'm hugely interested in writing, I'm interested in the Irish literary tradition. I wonder, could I take this funding

from the religious department, tell them that I'm going to make a documentary about early Irish Christianity, or really, it's a documentary about writing. So I've started the project with failure there with a pretty large problem. Blind Boy, why didn't you go to RTE and say to RTE, I want to make a documentary about the history of Irish writing? Because they'd say, fuck off, no one wants that, the money doesn't exist for that. There's money over there in the religious department for a documentary about religion. Would you like to pitch for that?

This is often how television works. Like in the 1970s, on the BBC, there was this explosion of incredibly creative horror. Like weird English

pagan horror. But there were children's TV shows. I mean like there was a thing called Pendous Fenn from 1974. There was a TV series called Children of the Stones. Another one called The Stone Tape. Like Charlie Brooker would be obsessed with these. A lot of Black Mirror would trace its roots to this particular era of children's television on the fucking BBC in the 70s. Thing is, it wasn't children's television. It was deeply strange, unique, original horror and fantasy and science fiction. But the reason these things got made

and the reason they were so good and so original is because the artists who were creating them had to fly underneath the radar. They didn't go to the BBC and say, I want to write some very difficult horror. Otherwise the BBC would have said A we're not commissioning that B we will commission it but we're going to be heavily involved. So instead all these really strange and unique horror writers went to the children's television department and said we want to do some scripted drama for children's TV. And because children's television, like this is, you're talking 1972, children's television as a concept was so new that no one really knew what it was supposed to be.

There wasn't a lot of involvement in it. There wasn't a lot of involvement in it, there wasn't huge oversight. So horror writers had huge creative freedom in the fucking children's department. So if you're a British person, maybe in your 50s now, and when you were a child, there was really terrifying children's television about stone circles and weird English mythology. It's because of that that the the really creative horror and fantasy writers went, fuck it, let's just pretend we're making children's television.

Traumatized a bunch of kids, but brilliant television was made. So this documentary that's just been nominated for an award, it's the Griersen Awards, right? The British documentary awards. Really, really fucking prestigious. I'm very, very honored. And especially, this is RTE. This is an RTE documentary. I don't know what the fuck it's getting, I don't know why the Brits are nominating it. The Irish Times reviewed it and called it a piece of shit. But again, to be honest, that's a good thing. If the Irish Times are saying that your RTU1 documentary is bad, it probably means you're doing something challenging. Sometimes bad reviews are actually good for art. Anyway look, I've been nominated for this award and this is my 11th documentary. So this is the 11th documentary that I've written and presented for television in the past, I think 10 years. And do you know why I have 11 documentaries?

Like why did I start writing documentaries? Do you know why? Because I wanted to write comedy. Now you might be thinking, well if you wanted to write comedy, TV shows, blind boy, then why didn't you go and ask for, to make comedy shows? Well, I tried this.

10, 15 years ago, I used to go to RTE all the time and pitch comedy shows. I pitched to RTE in 2011 a version of the time, the great Irish epic myth written in the fucking Iron Age. I pitched a version of the time, but set in contemporary limerick. And do you think they said yes to that? No, no. The RTE comedy department, their attitude is like, we notice you're doing something

really good online. Here's an idea. Here's an idea. The stuff you're making online is great. You have a lot of talent, it's very popular. Let's make it fucking shit. Let's get some funding, the money, and let's make a piece of fucking shit and put it out. All this stuff that you're doing online That's working really well that people are loving Let's let's get that and let's make a piece of fucking shit. How about that?

That that was the RTE comedy department that was my that was my experience with the RTE comedy department How can we make? fucking shit? Because the commissioners, and the commissioner is the person with the parts, the commissioner is the person who decides what gets made and can have serious input. The commissioners, they weren't comedians,

they weren't writers, they weren't artists, they weren't creative people. They were fucking accountants who just ended up as working in commissioning in comedy for some reason. In England, slightly different. I worked, I did a pilot for Channel 4 years ago, mentioned that it didn't get commissioned, but when I was making that pilot the commissioner was a fella called Phil Clark. This is someone who had worked as a producer on Peep Show and fucking Brass Eye. So not only is the person highly qualified, but when I'm a young fella going to them

with my scripts, I'm walking out of meetings having learned something about the process of writing. Like, my commissioner something about the process of writing. My commissioner is someone I bow down to. It's like, holy fuck, I'm speaking to someone who worked on Brass Eye. I grew up worshipping Brass Eye. Brass Eye would have been one of the reasons. I was like, I wanted to write comedy in the first place. So that was Channel 4.

2011 Channel 4. But in RTE, the comedy department, it wasn't being manned by people who I would even consider to be artists, to be creative. So what I started to do was, in RTE, okay, I wanna make comedy, I want to make comedy, but I don't wanna work with the fucking comedy department. Um, where I've got someone going. I think we need some fart noises. What some fart noises is. What about boobs?

I think it needs more boobs. Could you do it on the song about a horse? Do the horse song. Do the one. The horse one, and it's in limerick and everyone's got knives. Can you do that? So I was like what if, what if instead of making comedy for RTE we go to the factual department and make documentaries. Like TV is a fucking dying medium but I'm trying to give you inside tricks here I'm trying to give you some insider trading information I don't even know if people are interested in this but the thing is

so in I think it was 2015 made my first documentary called the rubber bandits guide to 1916 I made that documentary as my masters degree. So I was doing my masters, but also making this documentary and combining the two of them together, two birds at one stone. When you write a documentary for the factual department, all they care about are whether the facts are correct or incorrect. Which meant that if there was comedy, if there were jokes, the factual department don't step in and say that joke isn't funny.

Can you do that joke differently? That joke didn't land. Can we have some fart noises? Can you do another song about a horse? Can you make jokes about knives? Because people from Limerick have knives, don't they? I have a suggestion for a joke that's slightly racist. Would you like a slightly racist suggestion for a joke? Are you up for that? That's done now. That's gone. Because the factual department are like, is this historical fact correct or incorrect? And then the comedy bit, they don't care. They don't care. That's not their job.

Now suddenly, this whole creative palette is unleashed, completely unleashed, to do what you like comedically and artistically, so long as it's factually correct and verified. What's the downside? You're not getting paid. The downside is you're not getting paid. The downside is you're not getting paid. So a factual documentary, the commission, you're getting paid to make a fucking documentary. You're not getting paid to write scripts. If you go to the comedy department or the drama department, you're being paid to write scripts. So when I was making

comedy shows, but that were quote-unquote documentaries, you're not, no one's getting paid, you're not getting paid, you're doing it for the the love of it, for the love of it, for the joy of it, for the creativity of it. That's why I was like, I'm doing this as a master's degree because I want to get something out of this. To be creative within the television industry, it's consistent deception. Deception. You have to deceive people. You have to deceive the commissioners. They release funding to do one thing, you then do another. But it's not dishonest because my heart is in the right place. I am deceiving the commissioners so that I can

make the best piece of work. Like I've I have a documentary from 2018 called The Rub Bandit's Guide to Reality. This was supposed to be a documentary about reality television. It's not a documentary about reality television, it's documentary about the history of Western philosophy. But, why does philosophy only... ...thinking about what reality is? So I pitched it as... ...the guide to reality. And the commissioners were like, great, can't wait to see my reality TV... ...fucking documentary. Are you gonna interview anyone from...

...It's Made in Chelsea or whatever the fuck it's called? No! This is a documentary... documentary about the history of philosophy. This was the one. Actually, no, it did. Yeah, I interviewed some fella from, apologies for forgetting his name, he was a nice fella. He was on Made in Chelsea or one of those. And interviewed him because I had to show on paper that the

to make it appear to RTE that like this is actually a documentary about reality television look look who I'm interviewing this guy from Made in Chelsea interviewed him but tried to destabilize his sense of reality by using interrogation techniques that the CIA had developed and by the end of it, got him to pledge allegiance to the IRA. This really nice, posh English fella. Fuck was his name? Stevie, Stevie Johnson.

So anyway, I did it again. Look, so my documentary, Blind by the Land of Slaves and Scholars, was commissioned by the RT religious department, and it was supposed to be a documentary about the history of Irish Christianity, which in a way it was, really. It's about writing. It's about the history of writing. Really, it's about writing. It's about the history of writing. The point I'm trying to make is that approach, that approach is actually quite conducive to making work that's unique and creative. Because you begin with a problem that you have to write yourself out of.

You begin with failure. What's the problem? I don't want to make a documentary about early Irish Christianity. Well, what if we viewed early Irish Christianity not necessarily as just the introduction of a new religion to Ireland, but a new religion that brought with it the new technology of writing. So that's what I did and now that's been nominated for a really prestigious award, the Grierson Award and I've been nominated for best presenter and I'm up against Louis

Theroux. And the thing is, that's enough for me. That's enough. That is, I'm not even gonna think about winning or losing it. And genuinely, I mean that. Okay, put it this way. I mentioned... I was also nominated for another award about six months ago for my short film, Did You Read About Arsken Fogarty?

For an RTS award. I won that. I forgot to tell you. I forgot to tell you that I won that award. I'm only telling you now, and about 4 or 5 months have passed. I actively don't care about awards. I actively do not focus on whether I win or lose awards because to do so is dangerous to my creativity So I ignore them. If you focus on awards, if you reduce art

to a thing that you can win, you start to create what you think other people want to see. You lose dialogue with your own creative voice. Whereas, what I focus on is playfulness, passion, curiosity, and the feeling of flaw, and trying to fail, and the enjoyment of the process, the process, the bit in the fucking middle. Whether I'm making a TV show, or writing a a book or writing one of these podcasts, it's the bit in the middle that's fun. It's the doing, the process.

That's what I love. So thinking about, oh, I'd love to get that award, that pulls me out of all that. And I'll most likely get creative blocks, so I don't think about awards. But I am hugely honored to be in a fucking list. I'm on a list of names of rewards beside Louis Theroux, who is one of the greatest documentary makers on the planet and someone, I've been looking at Louis Theroux since I'm a kid.

I remember being a child and flicking on the television and his documentaries would come on. I'm like maybe 10 or 11 years of age and his documentaries come on and they felt so exciting and new and they made me feel like an adult and I've never seen anything like his, the way that he was presenting things and the subjects that he was doing documentaries about it was just it was fucking inspiring as a kid so to be on a list up for a fucking documentary award and I'm there against Louis Theroux what I have to take from that without sucking my own flute is that means that as far as the industry is concerned, I've made

a piece of work that's at the highest possible standard, that the standard of this work is at a level where it can be up against Louis Theroux's work for an award. So that's enough for me. That's enough. And the thing is with that is, see, that's about the work. That's about the piece of work, an aspect of my behaviour. It's not this ego shit. This ego shit. Or the ideal self, as Carl Rogers would call it. The me that my insecurities would like other people to see. And the other thing I focus on too, with awards. So awards and praise, external praise, very dangerous threatening stuff in this industry. The biggest killer of creativity is the fear of failing. I'm a firefighter. And what I mean by that is, a firefighter, their job is to put out fucking fires.

But when there's not a fire, a firefighter spends their day putting out fires. Firefighters will set a fire in a controlled environment just to put it out. Or in Limerick, I see the firefighters training by the river. Sometimes firefighters might have to jump into the river to save a person who's drowning. So I see the firefighters jump into the fucking river in their full clothes just to train so that when the moment comes in their job where they need to put out a fucking fire or jump into the river to save somebody they're not afraid of fires or rivers. Well fire and the torrent of a river to an artist, to a creative person, is failure and the best

way to not be afraid of failure is to fail all the time, make failure a part of your process. But it also means ignoring what we define as success. Or having a different definition of success. Success for me is, do I get to work? Do I get to enjoy the process? Did I enjoy the process? Was this project fun? Am I enjoying this project? That's success. If I define success by awards, external praise, then you begin to hold onto that award and that praise

and that feeling of being loved by other people. You hold onto that and you're like, oh no, I hope I don't lose this. I hope I don't fail. And then you become afraid of failure. You become afraid of fucking failure and you get creative block. So I look at awards differently. What are awards good for? Awards are good at bringing more work. That's all awards are good for. I've got a production company now, Connell as well, and we've only made two things. That short film, Did You Read About Erskine Fogarty? and this documentary.

And both of them have been nominated for awards. So what that practically means is the chances of receiving more commissions goes up and then I get to work another day and also employ lovely fucking talented hard-working people to make these things. So that was a very unexpected turn in my week. I really wasn't expecting that at all and it threw my week into turmoil because I've been doing loads of interviews with newspapers about it and stuff. What I'm hoping is that the local fucking newspaper, I want the local limerick newspaper to pick up on it so

that my ma has something to show the neighbors. I've mentioned it before but I get a great buzz off that. I get a wonderful buzz when if I do something and then it's in the local limerick paper and that limerick paper goes into the doors of everyone's houses and then my mother who's in her 80s and all her friends are older too. If I'm in the local paper for fucking anything, then she becomes the centre of attention with all her friends and has loads of chats and conversations and it really lifts her spirits, she adores it. But local newspapers, there's two in Limerick, there's the Limerick Leader and there's the Limerick Post. If I was like a farmer harlower and I'm opening a dog grooming parlor, then that would get

into the local Limerick newspaper. But getting nominated for an international award for making a documentary, that won't get you into the local Limerick newspaper. I'm blacklisted in Limerick because I draw too much attention. I bring too much international attention to the bird shit problem If I ever get assassinated if I ever get assassinated It will be a conspiracy from Limerick City Council and they're gonna Assassinate me because I speak too much truth about the smell of bird shit

I speak too much truth about the smell of bird shit, starling shit, in Limerick City Centre. It's been communicated to me indirectly several times to stop speaking about the starling situation, to stop speaking about the bird shit, to stop referring to Bedford Row as the bird shit district. My bird shit whistleblowing is not making me any friends in Limerick City. We're at peak Bardshit right now. All along the city centre the Starlings shit and the rain awakens the stench and there's so much Starling shit on the ground that people slip on it and one of the reasons people slip on the sterling shit, this is what, they don't want me talking about this,

but I see it every single day. Peep. So, when people go to the barge shit district, and there's so much sterling shit on the ground, the smell is so overpowering that people put their t-shirts up to their mouths, right? But the act of doing that, the act of needing to cover your mouth with your t-shirt, this then puts people off balance and then that's when they slip on the bird

shit. You see people walking around Limerick City and on their shoulders is a stain of bird shit because they've just slipped on the bird shit and then fell into it. And I see that the white stain on people's shoulders, I call it a SARS-FILS gash. The city centre, we are tormented with the shit of starlings. Utterly tormented. What did Limerick City Council do to try and address the starling shit problem? Paint it a giant mural. A giant mural of a starling in the Bardshit district, as if they're proud of it. It's a beautiful mural but it does feel like...

a type of animist cult. It feels very pagan. It does feel like a type of animist cult. It feels very pagan. But this sudden award nomination, it threw my week into disarray. This is the reason I'm doing a phone call podcast this week and not a rigorously researched hot take. The other thing that freaks me out about awards is it just means I have to be incredibly social. I receive multiple phone calls from well-wishers, people who work with me, fair play to

them, but then I get the autistic, a little bit of the autistic burnout that happens when I have to Deploy my speaking to people personality. My neurotypical mask. My neurotypical mask. And see here's the shitty thing about being autistic. Certain aspects of being an autistic person can make you an asshole under neurotypical rules. So being congratulated for things. So getting nominated for an award is, that means loads and loads of people

who work with me and know me, calling me up on the phone and congratulating me for getting nominated for an award. Congratulations. Happy birthdays. Meeting somebody at a wedding reception. Office small talk. These scenarios are all scripted.

They're kind of heavily scripted and ritualized. Like happy birthday. Oh, it's your birthday? Oh, you're getting on now? Any plans? Sure, I just had a quiet one this year. Wedding receptions. Oh, don't they look great? Isn't it a wonderful day? Isn't it great that the groom's father came out and his health has been so bad? See certain social situations, they become ritualized, heavily ritualized and heavily scripted where when people enter these situations they're actually playing a little character for a small while. So if I get nominated for an award, I get loads of phone calls, and then people who

ring me, even people that I know, they briefly slip into their character that they play when they congratulate someone for being nominated for an award. Oh that's magnificent. Oh that's brilliant. I'm so happy for you. You really deserve it. I'm so happy for you. You really deserve it. I'm really happy for you These are very well-meaning good things Very nice things are being said to me

Nice people are doing kind things and and ringing me up to think about me and wish me good will wonderful things are happening, but because Because these specific conversations are ritualized in our culture, like when you say happy birthday to someone, you drop into your little happy birthday character that you've learned, okay? If you're at a funeral, that's a big one, if you're at a funeral, that's a big one. If you're at a fucking funeral, and you're going up to shake the hand of your friend because their parent died,

you slip into funeral character for a little bit, you slip into condolence character. Sorry for your troubles, Sorry for your troubles. And then you leave that and then You see a person who you haven't seen in a while, but they're your friend, but you're still at a funeral so then you have to slip into your meeting a friend at a funeral character, which is Oh, they looked very peaceful. They looked very peaceful in the coffin, didn't they? Didn't they? Oh, must be very tough. Makes you think, makes you think. I suppose I suppose we'll all be up there in the coffin, didn't they? Oh, it must be very tough. Makes you think, makes you think. I suppose we'll all be up there in the front row someday.

If you're neurotypical, you're probably hearing me saying that and you're going, oh yeah, oh yeah, that is what happens, isn't it? I've never really thought about that, but yeah, we play these little characters sometimes in certain social situations. I've never really thought about it that way. And like, that's the point, yeah, because for neurotypical people that's instinct, pure instinct. You just pick it up and you absorb it and learn it and deploy it and it's a natural

flowing thing. For some autistic people. It's jarring. And then we go, what's happening here? What's this? What is this new thing? What's this new way of talking? What's this that I'm seeing? I need to learn and watch how to do this.

And really make sure I know what it's for and when to use it. And how to respond to it. And why it's happening. And it's tough going and it's difficult. And it carries the massive threat of getting it wrong, having a social faux pas, being publicly embarrassed, being stared at, deviating in any way from the ritual that other people just understand as instinct. Like for years, when I was a kid people used to say happy birthday to me. And sometimes I'd go, what are you congratulating me for? I haven't achieved anything. This isn't

an achievement. Loads of people are seven. I didn't have to do anything to become seven, it just happened. Why are you congratulating me? Why can't you congratulate me for something that took effort? Something like, I have a painting over here. What about this painting? I don't understand. Happy birthday? Why? I haven't done anything. It just happened to me. Time did it. You should be congratulating time. And I remember this. I was with one of my fucking neighbours. It was a neighbour who, again one of these people who believed that children must be polite. So I wasn't having this happy birthday anyway.

And I was like, you should say happy birthday to time. Because time is what did my age to me. And the neighbour, she was in my kitchen, my ma was there, and I picked the clock up off the kitchen table, and I said, say happy birthday to the clock. I thought this was a brilliant idea, a far more rational solution than saying happy birthday to me. Say, congratulate the fucking clock, the clock is after doing age to me and then depending on the adult Some adults would would look at that and they'd find humor in it or they might enjoy that the lateral thinking involved I got in trouble

I got in trouble for being cheeky to my neighbor because she was just trying to wish me happy birthday Her husband had recently died. That was it. Her husband had recently died and she was fragile. But those little experiences add up and they form as a ball of anxiety in your stomach in any of these ritualized situations. Like my da, I used to be a kid and I'd watch my da. And my da, when my da would meet a stranger and he would engage in ritualized conversations, he used to have phrases that he'd say, he used to say, And as the man says,

Always wear sun cream when it's sunny, or as the man says, Don't have your tea too hot. It didn't matter what he was saying, but he would prefix statements with as the man says. And I'm there as an autistic child going, What the fuck is going on here? Why, when my father speaks to strangers? Why only, only when he speaks to strangers, does he use the term as the man says? Who is the fucking man and what is he saying?

Why doesn't my da say to me as the man says? It's difficult to describe these things But neurodivergent people, autistic people in particular, can struggle with these particular social rituals because they're Structured but unwritten social performances. It's like a cultural theatre and they rely on, you need to be able to interpret hidden cues to conform to group norms and suppress personal authenticity. You have to suppress what you actually want to say in order to deploy this character in certain social situations. So when people ring me up to congratulate me about

winning an award, very kind things, very wonderful, lovely, kind, well-meaning things, when people ring me up to go, I just want to say congratulations on that award. Congratulations on that award. And then I'm going, what type of tone is this? I know you, that's not the normal tone that we speak in. What's this one? Oh, that's your learned social performance for when you congratulate people. This is something that you've learned from watching. This is a social ritual. But of course, while I'm thinking that, I'm not listening to the fucking person. I then feel a bit like I'm in trouble. Now I can't explain that, that's some shit from my childhood, but...

Artistic people... would prefer sincerity over convention. When someone hits me with conventions, the character, the performance that they have when they're congratulating someone, when I get hit with these conventions, that then gives me a performance anxiety, and I don't know how to respond to that.

I do respond. I go, Oh, thank you so much. Oh, thank you so much. And I go kind of quiet and awkward. And I really want the phone call to end. And then I feel awful. I then feel like a bad person. Because I'm aware this person just, they're thinking about you, they're ringing you up to congratulate you, because you've been nominated for an award. I mean what's a way that would... What's a way that a person could ring me up and wish me well without me experiencing a performance anxiety or it draining my social battery? They'd have

to ring me up and instead of congratulating me for being nominated for an award they'd have to ring me up and ask me, What do you think about the bird shit situation in Limerick City? Then I'm comfortable. See, I can't talk about that bird shit in a ritualistic way. If I'm to speak about Limerick City's sterling shit situation, I have to use skills of observation, critical thinking, I have to be passionate about it. I have to use skills of observation, critical thinking, I have to be passionate about it. Maybe what I'm so enamoured about with the bird shit is how it disrupts social norms. I swear to fuck, I swear to fuck, on a wet day, wet day, when's a good time to catch it?

About 9 or 10am, about 9 or 10am. before the council come out to wash the bird shit away you can see people standing on the street having chats with each other right but without them even knowing it they have their t-shirts up over their faces they're covering their mouths and noses and I watch people and I don't think they even know I don't think they even know. I don't think they're consciously aware that they're changing their behavior because the stench of bird shit is so great. I could talk to 16 people a day about bird shit and not experience burnout or... I can have enjoyable, engaging conversations with people

and come away feeling energized. Long conversations, like an hour long, just talking about bird shit, but multiple, five minute conversations where it's something like someone ringing me up to congratulate me for an award nomination. Those are the conversations that can deplete my social battery. The ritualistic small talk eventually leaves me feeling kind of dizzy and disoriented and then forgetful, forgetful and kind of ditzy. That's the real the complexity of being neurodivergent there because it sounds like I'm complaining about people congratulating me.

Under neurotypical rules you'd be a fucking asshole. No. This very kind, compassionate, lovely thing that people are doing to ring me up to congratulate me, this wonderful thing that people are doing, that also happens to be very overwhelming for me as an order divergent person. And also, I'm not gonna ring a bunch of people up and say,

And also, I'm not gonna ring a bunch of people up and say, the next time you need to congratulate me for something, instead of congratulating me, speak to me about bird shit. No, I'm not gonna do that, because that's mad. I'm just gonna keep doing it, because awareness, awareness is half the battle. Noticing, oh, I feel very forgetful. I feel a little bit dizzy. I'm in that head space where I might lock myself

out of my office or do something careless. Ah, that must have been all the small talk, all the ritualistic small talk that you had to do this morning. That was quite a large cognitive load. I asked my brain to engage in a fairly complex interplay of social, emotional and linguistic processes that are particularly challenging for me. You might be thinking, oh come on, a load of people rang you up and congratulated you.

How is that that hard? Just get on with it. Different brains. A dyslexic person might struggle greatly with a body of text that you and I consider to be simple. Or how would you feel if you're neurotypical? How would you feel about sitting down and only reading about bird shit for 17 hours straight. I mean focusing on learning everything you possibly can about bird shit. Now I've done this before, I've got a podcast called An In-depth Thesis About Bird Shit from last year. Asking a neurotypical person to sit down for 17 hours straight and focus only on bird shit and research bird shit and think only about bird shit. That could be classed as a very strange type of psychological torture.

Very difficult, very uncomfortable, incredibly draining. For me that's just a Monday. That's a fucking Monday and that...I can't imagine doing anything else. I'd feel very energized. And I'd be pissed off that I had to go to bed. Let's have a little ocarina pause now. I don't have my ocarina. What do I have? I've got a manual for a radiator. I've got a little manual for a new radiator that I got

for when the weather gets cold. I'm not using it right now. But I have the manual, which is quite small and slick, and I'm gonna hit myself into the head with this manual while you listen to adverts for bullshit. Sounds far worse. Hi, I'm Sophia Loper-Carrow, host of the Before the Chorus podcast. We dive into the life experiences behind the music we love. Artists of all genres are welcome. And I've been joined by some pretty amazing folks like Glass Animals. I guess that was the idea, to try something personal and see what happened.

And Japanese Breakfast. I thought that the most surprising thing I could offer was an album about joy. And you can listen wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, and remember, so much happens before the chorus. This episode is sponsored by the OCS Summer Pre-Roll Sale. Sometimes when you roll your own joint, things can turn out a little differently than what you expected. Maybe it's a little too loose, maybe it's a little too flimsy, or maybe it's a little

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This podcast, it pays my wages. It's how I rent out my office. It's how I buy my equipment. This podcast is literally how I earn a living. It's my full time job. It's how I'm able to... even to make fucking documentaries on TV. This award that I said that I got nominated for...

there's no money in TV. There's no money in making a one-off documentary for television. It's eight months work. You get paid for about six weeks of that 8 months. And also with this documentary, it was my production company, so I didn't bother taking any money from it. I put the money back into making the thing. But I only had the time to make that documentary, the time and space to make that documentary. Because of my Patreon subscribers, because I have a

fucking full-time job and my full-time job is this podcast and that allows me to have the time and space to be an artist. So I'm eternally grateful to all my patrons. If you, if this podcast brings you mirth or merriment or entertainment or whatever the fuck, please consider signing up for the Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash the Blind Boy podcast. All I'm looking for is the price of a pint or a cup of coffee once a month. That's it. And if you can't afford it, don't worry about it. Listen for free. Listen for free. Because the person who's paying is paying for you to listen for free. Everybody gets a podcast and I get to earn a

living. So very quickly, gigs. Next week on the Sunday, on the Sunday, I think at like 2pm, I'm at Altogether Now, the festival. I'm going to be doing a live podcast. If you are at Altogether Now, come along. Come along for the crack. Sunday at 2pm. Lovely, lovely time to be doing a live podcast. They offered me a later slot. No, it's a fucking festival. If I'm doing a spoken word event, 2pm on a Sunday is actually perfect. That's the worst time in the world if you're doing music. If you're doing a music gig You do not want 2 p.m. On a Sunday. That is a terrible slot But if you're doing something like a live podcast, it's fucking perfect because what I what you get at 2 p.m. Is

People they've had their lion the Sunday morning lion they're wrecked, they're hung over because it's a festival. But by 2pm, people have had breakfasts. They're thinking about how to celebrate their Sunday night but they're not there yet. So you get that wonderful lull, a lovely lull, or coming along to a live podcast, sitting down and just listening to speech. It's actually quite an enjoyable therapeutic break in the middle of hovering ketamine up your arse or whatever the fuck you're doing nowadays. Then gigs after that what have we got? September. I'm up in Derry at the Millennium Forum on the 19th of September. It's gonna be wonderful.

Is that a Tuesday? I think it is. No, no, no, it's not. Is it? Oh, that's a Friday. A lovely, that'll be an energetic, an energetic Friday gig in Derry on the 19th of September. And then on the Tuesday, the 23rd,

I'm up in Vicar Street. Wonderful, wonderful Vicar Street. And that, I believe that gig is nearly sold out, so that's down to the very, very last tickets. So get your tickets for that. I know it's only, it's eight weeks away or whatever, but tickets are almost gone for the Vicar Street gig. People come from abroad for my Vicar Street gigs. So I mentioned before the break. Like when I got diagnosed as autistic three years ago, I gained this completely new toolkit around my mental health that I didn't have before diagnosis.

And as I said, awareness is half the battle for me. So for me to be able to be aware, to notice, oh you're feeling a bit forgetful and ditzy and dizzy and confused. This means that you've done something incredibly taxing for your neurodivergent brain and you need to have awareness around it. I want to tell you a fable, an Aesop's fable called The Fox and the Crow. Now this story, I think it's about 2000 years old. Aesop, we don't know if Aesop was one person or several people, but Aesop left a lot of

fables behind. They're stories that have a moral tale. Aesop was apparently a slave and wrote these wonderful stories. The Fox and the Crow. So there was this crow and crows are really fucking smart. Crows are very smart animals. And this crow had gotten itself a piece of cheese, big tasty piece of cheese. And the crow went to the top of a branch on a tree to eat this piece of cheese. And then along came a fox.

Now the thing is, foxes are known for being, you know, clever and sly. Crows, crows are known for being intelligent. But crows are not known for being beautiful. Crows with all due respect. They're ugly birds as birds go. They're scruffy scavengers and they don't sound very nice. You never want to wake up to the sound of a crow's caw. It's not peaceful bird song.

Crow's cawing. It sounds like a warning. So this fox anyway looks up at the branch and he sees the crow and the crow is eating this piece of cheese and the fox is thinking I want that piece of fucking cheese. So he speaks to the crow and he says oh my god you're looking fantastic today you are oh my goodness me and The crow stops eating and Holds the cheese in its beak and is listening And the crow is thinking what me Beautiful gorgeous. I'm a crow

But fuck it if this if this Fox is complimenting me, I feel kinda good with these compliments." And then the fox continues, "...You are the most beautiful crow I've ever seen. Forgive me, I know that they say that crows aren't beautiful, but you are exceptional. Look at your gorgeous plumage and your shiny beak." Now the crow is really feeling it. The crow starts spreading its wings and showing off a little bit and really feeling fucking flattered by this fox. My god. I've never been given these compliments before the crow is thinking maybe this fox, maybe the fox is telling the truth.

And you're kind of disappointed in the crow because it's like crows are fucking smarter than this you're getting you're getting flattered here What's going on? I thought you were better than this the whole thing that you have going on is crows is We know you're not attractive looking we know you don't sound good, but you're real fucking smart you're so smart and You make up for it with that shit all right But no this crow is like, I'm feeling like a chaffinch here. I feel gorgeous, I'm like a bird, a paradise.

I'm looking at all these compliments I'm getting from the fox, this is amazing. But the whole time the crow is holding the cheese in its mouth, hasn't opened its mouth, holding the fucking cheese in, and then the fox goes, you're so gorgeous I just have to hear you sing I have to hear you sing I know they say that crows cause aren't very nice to listen to but you are so physically beautiful that you must have a voice to match now the crow is bowled over with the compliments fucking head up its arse with the compliments.

And the crow just basically listens to the fucking fox's compliments, takes them on board and says, "'Do you know what? "'Maybe I do have a beautiful voice.'" So the crow opens its mouth to sing and lets out a big ugly Caw. And as it does that,

it drops the cheese onto the ground, and the fox eats it, and runs away saying, you stupid ugly prick. I was only taking the piss, thanks for the cheese. Now it's a wonderful fable, that's a gorgeous fable. It warns us about the dangers of vanity, about the ideal self. If you try to live your life in accordance with the approval of other people, you will never find happiness. You can never chase the approval of other people because it's continually changing. What you can only do is focus on approving of yourself, loving yourself. But don't be chasing

other people's approval. It teaches us that. It teaches us to be cautious and wary of people who are too forthcoming with compliments. Especially if those compliments feel like fucking bullshit. We know when someone's bullshitting us with compliments, but sometimes the compliment is nice and you want to believe it, even though you know it's bullshit. It's a wonderful story, but the reason I'm thinking of that story is... So like I said, when I'm faced with feelings of burnout because I've been overstimulated, I try to be very self-aware. And one thing that gave me real self-awareness yesterday was I noticed that I was walking around my office down in the

canteen with my credit card in my mouth. Now this is something I've been doing for ages, but I only noticed it yesterday. When my social battery is down, I become very wary of any potential small talk. I become terrified of taxis for instance. I can't get into a taxi in case that taxi driver wants to have small talk conversation. I avoid small talk. And one thing that I do is, if I'm walking down to the canteen and work, I'll put my credit card into my mouth. I might be holding a cup of coffee and I'll put my credit card into my mouth.

In the way that sometimes, if our hands are full, we will hold things in our mouth. In the way that sometimes if our hands are full we will hold things in our mouth, a set of keys, a card, whatever. But I noticed yesterday, oh when I don't want to engage in small talk, I put this credit card in my mouth because no one will talk to me. You're not gonna talk to someone who's got a credit card in their mouth. It's the perfect excuse to not have to talk to someone. You can publicly mumble at people and leave the conversation if you've got a credit card stuck in your mouth. And I realized yesterday, oh fuck, this is a little autistic accommodation that I've made for myself that I'm not even aware of, that I do

when I'm feeling burnt out to avoid small talk. And the reason I fucking figured out that I do it is there's one person in my office building who knows who I am. It's the barefoot accountant. If you're deep in the lore of this podcast you'll know who the barefoot accountant is, I won't explain him. But he's someone in my office who knows who I am. And I was in the canteen yesterday and the barefoot accountant came up to me, nice and discreet and quietly, because he keeps the secret of who I am. And he said to me, congratulations

on the award nomination, I saw the article. And then what did I do? I said, thank you. And I dropped the credit card on the fucking ground out of my mouth. Like the crow in the story. Which was awkward and strange. And then I had to step down on the ground and pick up the credit card that I'd just dropped out of my mouth. And other people looked. And it was a little bit socially awkward.

But it was that exact moment because as soon as that happened, I instantly remembered the story of the fox and the crow and I said to myself, oh fucking hell, you put a credit card into your mouth when you're starting to feel afraid of small talk and just that just that little incident and that awareness was enough to bring me into a mindful self-reflective state where I'm looking at, okay how do I feel, what's going on for me? And when I want to heal myself

and recuperate from, we'll say, potential burnout, what I do is I avoid chatting to people, that's fair enough, and then I set aside, we'll say, a half an hour, and I say to myself, in this half an hour, I'm going to draw a list of small tasks that I've been putting off, and I'm going to do them. And they have to be boring tasks. And it can be as simple as hovering my carpet, paying a bill, answering an email, or even responding to a text that I hadn't responded to. And that little half an hour of identifying tasks, initiating them, and completing them. Whatever that does to my brain, to my confidence, it's like getting my head and plugging it into a really rapid iPhone charger and then I don't feel that confusion, that dizziness anymore. I feel capable and

comfortable and confident and happy. Alright, so this this week's episode was a this was a pure phone call. This was a phone call podcast. It wasn't prepared. I never want to half-arse a hot take, but yeah, my week was thrown into disarray because of the unexpected award nomination. So I'll catch you next week with a hot take. I'm really considering. I'd love to do something about the fucking Bible, the Old Testament. I'd love to have a good crack at the first bit of the Old Testament from... from fucking Adam and Eve...no, from creation up as far as the Tower of Babel. And I know I don't give a fuck about religion.

This is mythology. This is mythology. And I've been thinking about the Old Testament a lot, especially in the context of simulation theory and AI. So I might chat about that next week if I get a spicy enough take. In the meantime, rub a dog, genuflect to a swan. And I said a couple of weeks ago that if you see a snail and the snail is like in the sunshine to maybe pick the snail up and put the snail into a nice wet dark place where it's happier. But someone mailed me,

interestingly to say. So if you do see a snail, right, you have to be careful about how you pick up a snail. So what you should do with a snail is gently tap the snail's shell first and give the snail the opportunity to go back inside its shell and then once the snail is in its shell then pick it up because apparently when you pick a snail up and it's out of its shell when it's like it's arse and its head are sticking out, when you pick the snail up that way, it can actually damage their organs. So tap the snail on the shell, give the snail the opportunity to go inside, and then move it to a darker, wetter area.

Alright, dog bless. This episode is sponsored by the OCS Summer Pre-Roll Sale. Sometimes when you roll your own joint, things can turn out a little differently than what you expected. Maybe it's a little too loose, maybe it's a little too flimsy. Or maybe it's a little too covered in dirt because your best friend distracted you and you dropped it on the ground. There's a million ways to roll a joint wrong. But there's one roll that's always perfect, the pre-roll. Shop the summer pre-roll and infuse pre-roll sale today at ocs.ca and participating retailers.

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