The Blindboy Podcast - How to be Neurodivergent in the Workplace

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

How to be Neurodivergent in the Workplace. Deal with eccentric behaviour and understand your rights and protections Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Squeal at the jettisoned testicles of the gelded beagle, you weeping Sheila's. Welcome to the Blind Boy podcast. If you're a brand new listener, consider going back to an earlier episode of the podcast to familiarise yourself with the lore of this podcast. And if you're a regular listener, a 10 foot deckling, a steaming quiva, you know the fucking crack. We are at the carryman's end of this heat wave. The longest heatwave in Irish history. The grass. The grass looks embarrassed by the sun. I've been in Spain and Australia where it gets really hot and the grass dries up and turns brown.
Starting point is 00:00:41 That's happening here now. I don't think our grass... I don't think that's meant to happen to our grass. So it's bleaching it. The grass is turning a strange white colour as if it's in shock. I'm finding myself in the middle of a very bizarre saga at the moment.
Starting point is 00:00:58 concerns my office. So as you know, for nearly the past five years, I have rented out a corporate office and I come here to work 9 to 5, 5 days a week, like a regular job. I always show up, I'm always on time. This office adds a wonderful amount of structure to my day
Starting point is 00:01:21 because my job itself is unstructured and condemned to the freedom of doing whatever the fuck I want. If I don't motivate myself, nobody else will. So having a space called an office where the only thing that I do here is work, that's essential. And I love it. One of the best decisions that I ever made. And I've mentioned this before, but one of the things that really inspired me to get this office was the Tibetan Buddhist practice of meditating around rotting corpses.
Starting point is 00:01:52 In parts of Tibet, up in the mountains. When people die, they don't bury their bodies. The body is left on the top of a mountain, and vultures literally pick apart the corpse and scatter the body in the valleys. And Buddhist monks then meditate in the valley of rotting corpses so that they can accept death, so that they can confront and accept their greatest fear, which is death. My greatest fear, as a neurodivergent person, is having to work in an office, having to work in an office, having to work in a environment, a bit like school, where I have to perform the mask of being neurotypical all the time as my job and if I don't do it well, I lose my fucking job. So that's a big reason why I work in a
Starting point is 00:02:43 corporate fucking office. As opposed to an artist studio or working close to any type of creative industry, I work in a fucking office surrounded by accountants and the administrative end of pharmaceutical companies. a very serious grey environment where people perform their LinkedIn personalities. So I create a little neurodivergent space within all that. Because once the door of my office is closed, I have a space that meets my needs. I can pace up and down, I can flick my fingers, I can wear my comfy clothes, I can create a space that meets my needs in a wider environment that's quite frightening to me.
Starting point is 00:03:22 And that, to me, is meditating amongst the corpses. existing beside the thing that I'm afraid of. And when I step outside that door and I'm in the corridors or the canteen and I'm in communal spaces, then I mask. I say hello to people, I have small talk,
Starting point is 00:03:40 I wear uncomfortable clothes that are socially acceptable, I dip my toe into just enough of the neurotypical performance that it doesn't burn me out and when it does feel like it's burning me out, I fuck off back to my office and put on my 3xl tracksuit pants and rub my hands together for two hours, listening to the music of Janet Jackson and
Starting point is 00:04:01 thinking about seagulls. But in the five years that I've been here, sometimes my nora divergence spills out into those communal spaces in the form of eccentric behaviours that I'm not aware of until it's fucking pointed out to me. So you might have noticed that if you follow me on Instagram, I shared a fucking a photograph on my stories last week. I was eating a yogurt. not with a spoon but with the lid of my inhaler of my asthma inhaler I did this because
Starting point is 00:04:33 I have personally caused a shortage of teaspoons in my entire office building so here's what happened like a week ago the administrators at the office they sent around an email to everybody and it was the photograph of an inside of a bin and in the bin was a yogurt carton
Starting point is 00:04:53 and a teaspoon and the email was like Over the past several months we keep finding teaspoons in the bin someone is throwing teaspoons in the fucking bin this is wildly unacceptable and we're going to find out how it is
Starting point is 00:05:06 and then I look at the photograph and I go shit that was me that's my yogurt I guess I've been throwing teaspoons in the bin now first off that is unacceptable behaviour you can't do that you can't throw teaspoons in the bin
Starting point is 00:05:20 repeatedly and I've obviously done it so much that I have exhausted the entire Ammional supply of teaspoons. So that's why I'm eating yogurt with the top of my fucking inhaler. And then everyone else has no teaspoons. So that's unacceptable.
Starting point is 00:05:35 That'll get you fired. Because there's not really a rational explanation for it. It looks like someone being a prick. It looks like someone going, oh, free teaspoons. I don't give a shit. They're not mine. Fuck them.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Fuck them into the bin. Fuck your teaspoons. Ha ha ha. This is what I do with things that aren't mine. I don't own this and I have no respect for this. So I'm just going to throw the. cutlery into the bin and no one's going to catch me. That's what it looks like. It's a very difficult one to explain as an adult while you're doing that. Was I aware that I've been continually
Starting point is 00:06:06 throwing my teaspoons into the bin? No, but once it was pointed out, then it like dawns on me like an awakening. It's like, oh fuck. I guess I have been doing that. So I immediately replied to the email and just said, I'm so fucking sorry. This is me. And I came clean and I said, I'm autistic and sometimes I do really, really silly things because I'm an autistic person. And I don't realize I'm doing them and then I only realize I've done it after it's pointed out. Now that there is the benefit of having a diagnosis as an autistic person because you can, it means that I can address this incredibly unacceptable and embarrassing behavior in a way where I am taking accountability, but I don't need to have shame around it.
Starting point is 00:06:58 So I can take accountability for that, apologize and try and write the wrong, but without needing to feel ashamed about it. So you're probably wondering, why the fuck you're throwing teaspoons into the bin blind by? So that's straight up executive dysfunction. Have you ever gotten a Kit Kat? Have you ever bought yourself a Kit Kat? Unwrapped the tin file from the Kit Kat. You've got a chocolate bar in one hand and a tinfoil wrapper in the other.
Starting point is 00:07:28 And you're distracted by a thought or whatever. So then what do you do? You throw the chocolate into the bin and you hold onto the wrapper and you go, Ah fuck. And it's a funny little story that you have. So I did that. When I was eating my yogurt with a teaspoon, I think only on Tuesdays.
Starting point is 00:07:46 I'd be eating my yogurt with a teaspoon. Utterly focused like a laser on my work, on my writing, on my research, thinking about an idea so intensely that that is my only focus in the whole world. The yogurt eating is an autopilot exercise. Then throwing the yogurt into the bin, because that's what you do, and not noticing that I'm also throwing the fucking teaspoon into the bin with the yogurt. And I did that so many times that I deprived my entire office building of teaspoons and I ended up eating a yogurt with the top of my inhaler. And so nor the divergent people, autistic, ADHD as well, dyspraxic, dyslexic people.
Starting point is 00:08:31 We can struggle with executive functioning skills. The skills to execute tasks correctly. This is why I focus on mindfulness so much. If I'm consciously eating a yogurt, I eat that yogurt mindfully with all my senses and I think about it as a meditative act. When that happens, I don't throw the teaspoon into the bin. But if it's a Tuesday and I'm at the final hurdle of the podcast, then I'm really thinking hard. Then I'm not eating my yogurt in a meditative mindful fashion.
Starting point is 00:09:00 One facet of executive functioning difficulties is difficulty maintaining attention when you're switching between tasks, monitoring my own actions, so you become clumsy. That's a bit of a clumsy thing to do. And then inhibiting an automatic response. And this isn't unique. It's not something that's unique to nora divergent people. Like I've mentioned, every fucking single one of ye, everybody has thrown the chocolate in the bin and kept the wrapper.
Starting point is 00:09:28 We have all done that. For some nora divergent people, we do it a lot. A metaphor, a good metaphor for it is, if you're exporting something on your computer, or maybe downloading a large file, downloading a massive fucking file, your computer starts to get hot, The fan gets loud and doing any other task on your computer is really difficult.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Because clearly all of the resources are being sent to this one place to export that file or download that file. And if you push too much in the other direction trying to do something else, the computer could crash. That's what happens me. If I'm thinking about something, if I'm in flow state, if I'm creating, if I'm like a laser beam, all that cognitive energy is going to one place. The upside of it? It's my creativity, it's my work, my short stories, my music, this podcast. The downside is highly eccentric behaviour that inconveniences other people and then causes embarrassment for me because that's fucking embarrassing. What's the crack? I'm a middle-aged man.
Starting point is 00:10:33 I'm a middle-aged man and I've thrown all the teaspoons in the bin. There's no teaspoons in that drawer because I've thrown them all in the bin while I was eating yogurt. And I've spent my life doing all. literally mad shit like that and embarrassing the life out of myself. Like this is one of the reasons too why autistic people drift towards routine. I eat the same breakfast every day, I eat the same lunch every day, because I don't have to think when I'm doing it. I can focus on my thoughts and these things just happen because it's so automated through routine. I have multiple items of the same t-shirt, the same pants, the same shoes, and it's one of the wonderful insights of...
Starting point is 00:11:12 I'm diagnosed autistic four years now. And one of the wonderful insights it's given me is what is perceived as eccentric, strange, odd behaviour to other people, it's usually just the consequences of executive dysfunction. Like I don't want, I don't want to be the fellow who's the fellow who's throwing spoons spoons in the bin.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I don't want to be that person. When you're a teenager and your early 20s, you can kind of get away with eccentricity. Exentricity is to be expected. You can fucking piercepherson, your face and get pink hair if you want. But as you get older then, eccentric behavior, there's less tolerance for eccentric behavior.
Starting point is 00:11:54 So putting ourselves in really embarrassing situations can bring great fucking shame. A shame so great that we then isolate ourselves. That's the other thing. Artistic people tend to be loners. And yes, we need a lot of time to be by ourselves. But often it's just straight up withdrawal. It's just there's no fucking point.
Starting point is 00:12:17 It's... Like I can flick my fingers and pace up and down and wear mad baggy clothes by myself. And I'm not judging me. The problem is when you do it around other people and then you get judged. Or if I walk outside the house with fucking... Two different sets of shoes on, if I'm not careful, which can happen a lot. So autistic people tend to choose solitude as a way to avoid pain and rejection. But anyway, I was so happy this time.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I was able to take accountability. without shame. I was able to on up and say, I've been throwing the spoons in the bin. I'm very sorry, but I am autistic and this is the type of shit I do as an autistic person. And then I replaced the spoons. I went online and I bought 24 T spoons. I think it cost less than 10 euro and replenished the spoons personally. So I've taken accountability, made reparations and then all I don't have to feel shame. I go, I'm diagnosed autistic. I write. And And if you boot me out of the fucking building, that's discrimination. So allow me to take accountability, but don't punish me for my actions.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Because I'm not some fucking prick who's throwing teaspoons in the bin for the crack because I disrespect property that I don't own. Which is the norotypical way of viewing that behaviour. Now I'm also a victim of private equity. Making a space not friendly for a noradivorgent person. Why are the teaspoon such an issue? Right, teaspoon shortage, that's a measurable issue, that inconveniences other people in the building.
Starting point is 00:13:53 That's why I replace them. Right, so that's an actual issue. But I rent my office from a gigantic, multinational office space business that have an annual turnover of $4.5 billion. And this gigantic global corporation at all times are trying to reduce costs. And one of the things they did, I used to have a waste paper basket
Starting point is 00:14:22 in my actual office and saw that everybody else about three years ago and cleaning staff used to be hired to go into every single office at night time and empty that waste paper basket. So the giant corporation introduced a new policy under the guise of environmental,
Starting point is 00:14:41 being environmentally friendly, greenwashing, They said, no more waste paper baskets in your office. Instead, there is one communal waste paper basket in the corridor, and everyone must go and use that. This is part of our global commitment to be more green. Now, if you work in a joint corporation, especially one that's run by private equity, this will have happened in your office too.
Starting point is 00:15:04 You go, fuck it, we used to have waste paper baskets. What happened? Why is there now only one bin that everyone has to leave their desk from, to travel to put shit in there? It has nothing to do with being environmentally friendly. It's a way to cut costs on cleaning staff. Now, I like it if a corporation are going, we're going to be more committed to the environment.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Here's a new policy. I like that. What I don't like is, no, you're bullshitting. You want to fire some cleaners. You want to fire some cleaners and lie to me while you're doing it. I don't like that bit. I'd rather the cleaners keep their hours or don't lose their jobs. If I'd have had the waste paper basket in my office
Starting point is 00:15:41 and it was beside my desk, I'd notice when I'm throwing the teaspoon in there, but instead what happens is I'm in my little office in a state of intense flow, eating my yogurt in an automatic fashion. Then I have to leave the office while still in a state of flow, walk down the corridor and use the communal bin, and that's where the problem happened. Now no one asked me to replace the teaspoons. I think because I came forward, honestly, owned up immediately and said, look, I'm autistic and I do this type of shit that I do and I'm really sorry. So I think they went, well that's fucking mental, but fair enough. I'm choosing to replace the teaspoons myself. Went online. I think it was 12 euros for 24 teaspoons, which that shouldn't be the case. It's just the world we live in. That means 12 teaspoons is like a
Starting point is 00:16:31 fiver. That means that the utensils that I eat my food with, my lunch with are cheaper than the food because the teaspoons probably come from China and I just, I don't think that should be the case. I think food should be cheap and cutlery should be expensive and not disposable. I'm fully aware that I've been throwing teaspoons in the bin there. Why am I replacing 24 teaspoons for a gigantic corporation with a turnover of 4.5 billion a year? Why am I doing that? Because of the hostility of the corporate structure. The wage workers who manage this building, lovely people who I know who I speak to every single day,
Starting point is 00:17:09 their job is to keep costs now and I want to insulate them, from having to go above to the accountants or whoever controls the pars strings, and to have to go to them and say, we need more cutlery budget that teaspoons have disappeared. So that's why I'm personally replenishing the teaspoon victuals, not to save a giant corporation money, but to protect the workers from consequences as a result of my actions. And I know some of you are listening to this going,
Starting point is 00:17:35 you fucking nut job. You want me to have empathy? You've been throwing teaspoons in the bin? You want me to have empathy for your business? blind boy, you lunatic. I see where you're coming from. That's a nightmare. If I wasn't self-employed and wasn't my own boss and wasn't renting out this office privately as myself, if instead I was back working in that call centre that I worked in 20 years ago and I end up in front of HR, because HR is what corporate structures used. HR has replaced unions. You see a union would go, well on
Starting point is 00:18:14 second here we have a neurodivergent worker here and yes they've been throwing teaspoons in the bin but other than that they're very good at their job so my shop steward in the union would defend me against the company but unions don't exist anymore instead you have HR and what's the difference between HR and a union HR is performative HR arbitrates works workplace difficulties workplace disputes in favour of profits for the corporation. That's what HR does. A union
Starting point is 00:18:47 arbitrates disputes in defence of the safety of the workers so that workers are not unfairly dismissed. So if this was a normal job, Mr. Teaspoon, Mr. Teaspoon destroyer is brought in front of HR. Someone very kind and nice
Starting point is 00:19:03 is speaking to me. I'll pull out my autism diagnosis because I have the piece of paper and I'll say reasonable accommodation EU law I'm protected you can't discriminate against me and they'll go
Starting point is 00:19:14 of course of course and then they'll figure out a way to fire me whereas a union of my comrades is going to go no way you're not fucking firing him we're going to go on strike
Starting point is 00:19:22 no I'm the shop steward I'm conscious of the fact that I'm fantasising about a job I don't have but if I did if I did I'd still be doing the same shit with the fucking spoons
Starting point is 00:19:34 and I probably would get fired because what the fuck What fuck would I be thinking about so intensely that I need to throw my spoon in the bin? In a regular job, I'd be wasting time. I'd be thinking about CIA crack cocaine smuggling, which is how I got fired 20 years ago. But yeah, if you're listening to this and you just can't relate to it,
Starting point is 00:19:54 I've gone too autistic this week, and you cannot relate to the man who's throwing the spoons in the fucking bin, because it is wildly unacceptable. It's nuts. I know this. I'm aware of it, 100% aware, now that it's pointed out. Fucking mad.
Starting point is 00:20:10 However, the context and intent is not hostile. I'm not being a prick. I'm not disrespecting property. I'm not behaving really selfishly and depriving other people at Spones. It's something very different and inconvenient for other people.
Starting point is 00:20:32 But there's no podcast without this shit. There's no books. There's no... Like, the hard sell for this type of behaviour is... If you see me on Instagram and you see me messing with my analogue synthesizers, three absolutely mad-looking electronic machines stacked on top of each other. Over 100 different knobs and buttons. And I know exactly what every single one of them do without even needing to think in a state of pure flow
Starting point is 00:21:03 to make whatever sound I want, to make music. and people watch that and people mail me as if I'm doing some type of magic. The complexity of what I'm doing for a lot of people is unfathomable. I get mails from people going, how do I even start? I love what you're doing with synthesizers. Where do I even begin? What you're doing is mad. How can I coordinate hundreds of different knobs and buttons in the split of a second
Starting point is 00:21:31 to make sounds, all this complexity? and then the same person is throwing teaspoons into the bin. Same person can't even need a fucking yogurt without throwing the teaspoon into the bin. Or how do I write a short story? Or I have a fucking play coming out in the abbey in a couple of months. It doesn't make sense. And that...
Starting point is 00:21:52 Inora divergence, that's called a spiky profile. I have certain abilities that are very, very, very strong and then other stuff is very, very, very weak. I can get up on a stage at a festival and speak to several thousand people, no problem. I can no fucking bother at all. Speak to thousands of people in a room with no nervousness, with flow, relaxed, competent. But I can't have small talk. If I bump into one person in the street, I avoid it.
Starting point is 00:22:25 That's terrifying. What do I do there? You mean I have to look at the person's face while listening to the words they're saying at the same time? I can't go to a wedding. If I do go to a wedding and speak to strangers, then for the next three weeks a lot of fucking teaspoons are getting thrown in the bin because I lose my executive functioning skills. And that there is, that's the spectrum.
Starting point is 00:22:48 That is the spectrum of nora divergence. We call it autism because they've decided that that's what the category is. In my heart and soul, am I autistic? Do I identify 100% with the label of autistic? No. I'm whatever the mad artists are, whatever that one is, I'm that one. We don't have a name for that one.
Starting point is 00:23:11 We just call it autistic. There's a lot of stuff on the autistic spectrum that I don't identify with. And sometimes I feel like I'm just taking up space because I'm called autistic but so is the person who's non-verbal, so is the person who has extreme difficulty functioning. And I'm level one and maybe they're level two or level. level three and sometimes I don't know how useful it is for me to have a similar label to that person because people can go, Oshare Blind buys autistic. He throws teaspoons into the bin but he's able to write short stories. Doesn't sound too bad and that takes up space for people that
Starting point is 00:23:49 experience extreme difficulty in their lives. But that currently is the best that the DSM, the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual has provided. Before 2013 I'd have been called Asperger's. If I was born as a millionaire in America, I'd have been called gifted. But when I read the biography of an artist, and it's like they were very strong here in this area, and then the rest of their life was mad. Whatever that one is, which we don't have a name for, that's the spectrum where I am, because it makes sense to me.
Starting point is 00:24:23 Why be you thrown teaspoons in the bin? Well, because I was thinking about the connection between salad and making gunpowder out of piss. That's what I've been thinking about. a lot and when I'm doing that this teaspoon here just doesn't seem
Starting point is 00:24:39 important enough for me to notice it's even in my hand and then I behave like a lunatic and get myself in difficult situations apologies for the sound
Starting point is 00:24:49 of that seagull and some people might have issue with me using the word lunatic that it can be seen as ablest or judgmental I am a lunatic
Starting point is 00:25:00 I use that word for myself I'm not too comfortable with other people calling me a lunatic in a different context and intent, but the word lunatic for me, that feels okay for me because I'm using it
Starting point is 00:25:13 in a self-compassionate way. I flip that same lunacy into creativity. Apologies for that seagull. I'm banished to the top floor. Maybe that's why I'm up on the top floor of this fucking office building as well. Because I'm on a corridor. There's only one or two other people
Starting point is 00:25:30 in this corridor, but I'm up here at the very top with the tin roof. living with the seagulls away from the pharmaceutical companies and the accountants downstairs. I'm speaking about this shit for other autistic people so that you can feel more accepted and for teachers, I've loads of teachers
Starting point is 00:25:49 who listen to me because they have noradivergent students and then there's other people who listen to me because they have a spouse who's nor a divergent or a family member and hearing things like this helps them to understand that person. But yeah, throwing teachers, Spons in the bin, Unemployable, fucking Unemployable, lose your job type of shit. However, I have created an environment where I'm self-implied, I can't fire myself for doing that.
Starting point is 00:26:14 I don't answer to anyone. And when I do engage in behaviour that impacts people around me, I can take accountability for it and engage in reparations. Which is the best thing you can do. And then, of course, what I'd hate to be doing, and it's probably what I might have done before my diagnosis. is hide hide in intense shame and not open up to being the the Phantom T-Spoon Destroyer
Starting point is 00:26:42 or quit my contract in the office and find somewhere else run away from the problem hope I don't get caught mortify myself shame myself feel like fucking shit
Starting point is 00:26:55 go home and say What the fuck is wrong with you What the fuck is wrong with you You stupid useless cunt Worthless incapable but pathetic. You thought you were normal, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:27:07 You thought you were normal there with your office. You thought you were doing all right. You thought you were being a fucking adult, didn't you? You stupid cunt. All happy with yourself, because you're able to pay rent in an office and able to show up on time and able to work. All happy with yourself. And look at you throwing spoons into the fucking bin.
Starting point is 00:27:23 You can't even explain when you're doing it, you mad bastard. You should go and check into a mental home. That's what you should do. Because no one else does this. And what are you going to do? Ring up someone and say, do you ever throw spoons into the day? in for no reason all the time. Do you ever do that? Like 10 times over the course of a month
Starting point is 00:27:38 without knowing it. Do you ever do that? You can't go to a therapist about it because what to tell you you're schizophrenic? And that's an internal dialogue of self-flageulation, which leads to feelings of depression, anxiety, fear. Anxiety was more my thing rather than depression. I lived a huge portion of my fucking life with the fear of what if I do something mad in What if I do something really fucking crazy in public? Something that would bring a lot of eyes on me and a lot of attention and a lot of shame and judgment. And then the fear of that is so deep, then you're getting panic attacks in public places. Then you don't want to leave the house.
Starting point is 00:28:20 You want to stay in this little controlled environment. Autism doesn't cause mental health issues. It's the stress and pressure of having to be normal that causes the mental health issues. and the big one for me, it's the trying your absolute best to be normal, to fit in, thinking you're doing a great job, and then a deeply eccentric behaviour is brought to your attention by somebody else. And the pain, the pain of it is, I didn't know I was doing that. That is terrifying. That's very frightening. How could I not have known that I was throwing the teaspoons in the bin? Because it's really obvious now that it's been pointed out.
Starting point is 00:29:05 How did I not know that? That's really scary. Am I going crazy? Am I losing control? Now I don't have to do any of that shit. There's a name for that. That's called Executive Dysfunction. Everyone does shit like that every so often.
Starting point is 00:29:20 The chocolate in the bin? The wrapper in your hand? Everyone does shit like that every so often. But for Nora Devirgin people, it happens a bit more. That's called executive dysfunction. It means that your mind was somewhere else. You're not crazy, it's not toxic, it's not bad, it's not unhealthy. It is inconvenient.
Starting point is 00:29:40 There are consequences. Your life would be a hell of a lot easier without it. But it's not a reason to feel shame, to self-flagellate and to experience as a personal failure. And that's huge there. Because now the only problem is I threw away some teaspoons. I don't have the additional problem. of mental health issues. And another thing I'll say in my defence,
Starting point is 00:30:08 because you might be thinking of the people in my office who are currently stirring their coffee with butter knives. I just realized there I could... I could have eaten my yogurt with a tablespoon. I just realized I could... There's plenty of tablespoonss. I could have eaten my yogurt with a tablespoon. I didn't have to use the top of my inhaler at all.
Starting point is 00:30:29 That's on me. That's probably autism as well. I didn't have to use the top of my inhaler. There's plenty of tablespoons. I don't like eating yogurt but tablespoons. They're too large. Too much yogurt per bite. I need teaspoons.
Starting point is 00:30:51 And the top of my ventralin inhaler had sufficient parts that it would deliver the desired amount of yogurt into my mouth. Technically it's not yogurt that I eat as well. I actually, Cavarg. It's a type of low sugar, very high protein soft cheese
Starting point is 00:31:10 that's wonderful as an incredibly filling snack that will satiate hunger between meals but not spike your blood glucose so that you get an energy crash. So I eat cavarg with either a teaspoon
Starting point is 00:31:23 or the tip of a ventral inhaler. Let's just have an ocarina pause now because that's 30 minutes into this podcast, into this strange podcast. I'm going to play this ocarina in my office there's other people in the car door
Starting point is 00:31:37 are going to wonder what the fuck it is that's the other thing once a week every Tuesday at a certain time he plays a flute in his office and never does it again just once a week for three minutes
Starting point is 00:32:05 every Tuesday he plays a flute in his fucking office Jesus Christ they don't know what I'm doing they don't know what the fuck I'm doing I mean it doesn't sound like I'm talking to myself it probably sounds like I'm on Zoom calls so that's fine so it's not like he's in his office
Starting point is 00:32:21 on his own and he talks to himself for hours he's on a Zoom call I am talking to myself for hours in my last office in this building which was two floors downstairs which I haven't been in in three years. One of the reasons I had to move to a different office. There was a fella next door
Starting point is 00:32:39 and the walls were really thin downstairs. They were really, really, really thin. So after about a year, I think he'd figured out who he was. He'd heard the podcast, could recognise my voice, whatever. I don't think it meant shit to him, but a couple of times. His fucking, his wife used to come into the office.
Starting point is 00:33:02 late, like after six o'clock when I'd be doing late night recording sessions. And she'd go into his office. And at night time, I was able to look out my window and see the reflection in another window into his office. And his wife was sitting in the office with her back to the wall and her ear to the wall. And I think she was a podcast listener, about three years ago. And she used to listen to, I think she was listening to me recording my podcast through the and getting her own private podcast.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Now I can't be sure. Never spoke to her, never met her. Locked inside in the office, but you see, I could see the reflection. And she had her ear to the wall sitting back on the chair. Maybe not. Maybe that's where she got her peace.
Starting point is 00:33:51 She would fuck off into the office, late at night when there was no one in the building, and just got peace and quiet and just wanted to sit there in silence. But why would you do that? that if you're in the building and the only other person there is a man who's next door talking. But I think she was a podcast listener and this was her thing. And she kept it a secret and she would stick her ear to my wall.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And if it is the case and you're listening, fair play it to you and thank you for not talking to me. That would have seriously interrupted my state of flow. Actually, Patreon first, then the adverts. If you listen to this podcast regularly, if it brings you more, merriment, entertainment, joy, relief, whatever the fuck this podcast does for you. Please consider supporting it directly via the Patreon page because this is a listener-funded podcast. Patreon.com forward slash the blind by podcast. This is my full-time job.
Starting point is 00:34:50 This is my vocation. I take it really seriously. I nine to five this. This is how I can afford to rent out my office so that I can research and write and and record this podcast. I can't get fired. I can't get fired for doing eccentric shit. I'd have to fire myself.
Starting point is 00:35:11 I am my own boss. This is my space where I can create an environment that works for me that allows me to flourish, to create and to have value and to have meaning. This is how I earn a living. So if you're listening regularly and you'd think, geez, I'd buy him a pint or a cup of coffee if I made him. Well, you can do that once a month, because that's all I'm looking for.
Starting point is 00:35:35 The price of a pint or a cup of coffee, once a month, and for that you get four podcasts a month. If you can't afford that, don't worry about it. Listen for free. I'm interested in having a job and earning a living doing what I love. That's what I want, and the Patreon provides that. So if you can't afford it, listen for free. Because the person who's paying is paying for you to listen for free. Everybody gets the exact same podcast, whether they pay or not. It's entirely up to you.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Patreon.com forward slash the blind by podcast. It also means I'm not beholden to advertisers. Advertisers can't tell me what to speak about, when to speak about it, who to platform. They come here on my terms. All right, here's the ocarina. And you're going to hear adverts for bullshit. Right, upcoming gigs. Got my tour of England, Scotland and Wales in October.
Starting point is 00:36:39 I'm going to be going up and down the length of that long. Island in the skeletal barrenness of winter. Kicking it off in Brighton and the Brighton Dome on the 18th. Then over to Wales. Cardiff at the new theatre. Bristol then on 22nd at Beacon Hall. Guilford on the 24th of October. London, which is sold out.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Glasgow. Sold out. Gateshead. A few tickets left for that. And then finishing it. And Nottingham. Ah, fuck yes, I'm going to do Halloween. I'll be doing Halloween.
Starting point is 00:37:13 in Gateshead. That'll be my night off. My night off is the 31st of October in Gateshead where it'll be celebrated in Halloween which that'll be my first ever Halloween outside of Ireland I believe. Last gig then in Nottingham
Starting point is 00:37:26 on the 1st of November. So that tour is setting out quickly you get your tickets at Fane.co.com. UK forward slash the blind by podcast or on my website at the blindbypodcast. I.e.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Then my next tour is Australia and New Zealand in April 2027, which I reckon April 27, would that be a bit wintry? It'll be at the precipice. Sure, I don't want to be over at that part of the world in the middle of summer. That's hardcore.
Starting point is 00:37:56 But anyway, kicking it off on the 9th of April in Auckland at the Auckland Town Hall, then up to Melbourne at the Palais Theatre, nearly sold out. Brisbane. All of these are almost sold out, even though it's as good as a year away. Brisbane Powerhouse parted at the Astor Theatre and finishing it off in the Sydney Opera House,
Starting point is 00:38:17 where there's very few tickets left for that. Biggest gig in my career, I'll be having my birthday over there. I thought the biggest gig in my career was Hammersmith Apollo a couple of years back where I also had my birthday. But no, it's going to be the Sydney Opera House. I'm honoured and humbled, and that's one of those external things that I can't take on board. It's not necessarily external praise but something I am
Starting point is 00:38:46 fucking proud of is being able to stay around as long as I have I did my first gig I think it was 2006 so 20 years into my career of gig and 20 years in I'll be doing my biggest gig
Starting point is 00:39:00 so that's a serious honour because that's a strange trajectory in the entertainment industry trajectories don't work like that. You have your peak in your 20s and then you go down. So to be doing my largest gig on the 20th year that I've been gigging is I'm very proud of that in a way that feels safe. I found fucking emails two weeks ago. Emails from 2015 where I had to cancel, I had an Australia tour booked and the email was
Starting point is 00:39:40 from the promoter and it was about six weeks off from the gig. It was four gigs an Australian tour. To cancel the gigs because the ticket sales were so low back in 2015, I think it was six weeks out and there was only 60 tickets sold in Sydney, which nowhere near. When you do a tour of Australia, it costs so much money to get to Australia that generally acts are doing it just for the fans. That's why a lot of international.
Starting point is 00:40:10 they don't go down that far. They don't go to Australia or New Zealand. So if you go to Australia and New Zealand and you break even, that's success. But back in 2015, 60 tickets sold for Sydney? No fucking way. That is not paying for one person's flight.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Just not happening. So it's cancelled a tour. So coming back 10 years after that to be headlining the fucking opera house, unthinkable, absolutely fucking unthinkable. and I'm very proud of it and thank you to all of you who were setting out that show
Starting point is 00:40:44 because it's nearly gone so again this week's podcast was supposed to be about the history of salad but then this the Spone incident happened that threw everything off the Spone incident happened and I know I needed to speak about this
Starting point is 00:40:59 so this week's episode it's about being noradivargent in the workplace that's what this is about I can always do an episode about salads the research is done. But if I'm not feeding it and my attention is somewhere else
Starting point is 00:41:13 I wouldn't be doing the Saturday episode justice. But to all the other people in the office who've been deprived of teaspoons because of my actions and if you're feeling sorry for them so my artistic brain actually brought comfort into a lot of people in this office
Starting point is 00:41:28 without them realising it over the past two years. Not just this office but every one of these offices in all of Ireland. If you're a serious 10 foot deckling you will remember in 2024
Starting point is 00:41:40 my office the company that runs my office made the radical and terrible decision to replace the milk in the canteen from fresh milk to UHT milk why did they do this
Starting point is 00:41:54 to save fucking money so that a multi-billion euro corporation could save a tiny bit of money some milk in my office is provided by the building so if you get tea and coffee the milk is free After the war in Ukraine, inflation went up and milk, fresh milk became too expensive for the
Starting point is 00:42:15 multi-billion euro corporation. Now I'd worked it out, the entire milk budget for the year in my entire office was only 500 euros. But that was obviously too much money for the multi-billion euro corporation, so they decided to change to ultra high temperature milk, which is disgusting. It's that milk that you get in tiny little capsules in hotel rooms. It's the milk that it's generally drank in very hot countries that don't have access to fresh dairy. In Ireland we have probably the best dairy in the world because it rains so much.
Starting point is 00:42:50 People are always saying, oh it rains so much if only we could bottle it and sell it. We do. That's our dairy industry. We've one of the strongest dairy industries in the world where most of the market is export. We have grass-fed cows that produce a lot of milk because there's so much rain. Our butter is yellow because of the amount of beta carotene that's in that butter because of how much beta carotene is produced by our grass because of the rain. Look at, like that's carry gold.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Look at American butter, it's white, look at butter on the continent. It's a white colour. Our butter is a deep yellow colour because of the presence of beta carotene. So our milk is astounding. You can't give UHT milk to an Irish person in their tea or in their coffee. It's just not happening It is disgusting If someone doesn't give too much of a shit about cups of tea
Starting point is 00:43:41 Doesn't care too much about coffee Only drinks it occasionally They're not going to notice the difference But Ireland is freezing and wet And a nice cup of tea And a nice cup of coffee It is an essential amenity If you work in a fucking office
Starting point is 00:43:55 So in 2024 The gigantic corporation decided That every one of their offices in Ireland Is now going to switch to UHT milk And when that happened I measured the impacts of this on my office building and witnessed social chaos occur as a result of changing the milk
Starting point is 00:44:15 and I did a podcast about it. There's one fridge in the canteen. It works. For the amount of people in the building, it works. There's enough space for everyone to put their lunch in there and there's enough space for four litres of communal milk that everybody uses, communal fresh milk. When that was replaced with UHT,
Starting point is 00:44:33 Nobody was using the UHD and then all the individuals in the building the communal milk problem was now shifted onto the individual so everyone started buying their own fresh milk then the fridge started to get overcrowded
Starting point is 00:44:49 and started to overheat because there was too much private milk this created a stink in the canteen extra cleaners had to be hired just because of the smell of milk then after a week people started stealing other people's fresh milk
Starting point is 00:45:03 and this started to annoy a lot of people. So then other people got fridges to put in their individual offices, health and safety issue, and others started to write passive-aggressive and then eventually aggressive notes on their milk. Colum's milk, stay away. One man accused another man of stealing his milk.
Starting point is 00:45:23 He was wrong. There was a big argument in the canteen. And you see what that is. That's the model of neoliberalism. It's the same as last week's podcast when I said there's a water shortage in Ireland as a result of corporate data centres. But the government are not holding the data centres accountable.
Starting point is 00:45:40 So instead what they're doing is putting a hosepipe ban which puts the responsibility for that issue on the individual. Then they started to encourage individuals to report their neighbours for using the hose pipe ban. So a collective issue becomes an individual responsibility and this then creates an environment of hostility, scarcity and distrust. That happened in my office. There was a communal pool of fresh milk, a social net, if you will, of an amenity that was free for all.
Starting point is 00:46:12 And it worked perfectly and everyone was happy with their fresh milk. But just because this corporation, that's worth 4.5 billion, wanted to save a tiny bit of money, through austerity measures, they defunded the public milk and replaced it with UHT. So they reduced the quality of a public service. so much that people couldn't use it anymore. This then forced the individuals to start purchasing their own fresh milk, privatized milk, which created an environment of hostility, which then made the work environment horrible for everybody.
Starting point is 00:46:48 That's autistic pattern recognition. No one else is thinking about the milk that way. They're just noticing that work is shit now for some reason. But I had correctly deducted that the change from fresh milk, the UHD milk, caused social collapse. And I did this by using critique of neoliberalism, and I did a podcast about it. This podcast then got to someone who was high up in the company. They heard it, figured out that I was talking about one of their offices.
Starting point is 00:47:16 My argument was so compelling, because I argued that ultimately see it's going to cost the company money. I had to go with that fucking capitalistic argument. But ultimately, you're hiring more cleaners because of the stinking milk. The electricity bill goes up for the entire building because people are moving front. fridges in the individual offices and then eventually your clients are just going to leave and not rent anymore because the hostility created because of the milk scarcity and the privatisation of the milk and an individual level that hostility creates an environment where you don't want to come into fucking work and people all of a sudden are going to just not renew their contracts.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Anyway, this argument got to the top brass in Ireland and for the past two years all of those offices in Ireland have had fresh milk as a result of my fucking podcast episode in 2024. In fact, it was communicated to me that in that entire organisation where they have offices in every country around the world, in all of Europe, Ireland is the only country where they have a fresh milk budget because of my podcast episode in 2024. Now, none of the people working in my office know that because they don't know who I am and they don't know that I'm here. Some of the people who I rent the office from, they know who I am. They know what I do here and they're very discreet about it. But it's an important detail.
Starting point is 00:48:35 So yes, my nora divergent lunacy has caused a short-term teaspoon shortage in this office. But my nora divergent lunacy and pattern recognition and obsessiveness is the reason why hundreds of Irish workers in every one of these offices around the country have retained. access to fresh milk since 2024. Because other people just aren't going to do that. Other people aren't going to look at a fridge, look at how the milk changes in that fridge, and then forensically lay out an argument,
Starting point is 00:49:10 a pattern of why that's actually creating chaos. Because I was fucking right. I was dead right. Now that's a shitty little victory, where I effectively did an accountant and a HR person's job for them. It's not like my dad. My dad was a union organiser. He was a shop steward.
Starting point is 00:49:29 He'd be defending people's sick pay, contracts, pensions. Instead of where I'm at, the system is so fucking squeezed towards the bottom line that we're fighting for access to fresh milk. In offices that we rent, we already pay fucking money, give us fresh fucking milk. They just want to take it away so that more of our rent goes into profits. I had to make a systemic argument that showed that this short-term saving actually results in a long-term loss, which impacts shareholders. In 2023, if you'll remember, it was in Ferd that I'd been pissing into flower pots. Some of the flower pots in the building in 2023 were stinking, and they couldn't understand why they were stinking.
Starting point is 00:50:16 And an email was sent to me asking if I knew anything about it. And I think they thought I was pissing into the flower pots, because that's the other thing. Well, if anyone's going to be doing it, it's going to be that fucking mad cunt, isn't it? I wasn't pissing into the flower pots. What had happened is someone was drinking a protein drink and then emptying the protein drink into the flower pots. And this was creating a stench that was similar to piss. It wasn't me. Who got to the bottom of the problem?
Starting point is 00:50:45 Who figured out that it was a protein drink that was creating the smell? Me? How did I figure it out? The smell reminded me a little bit of if I leave my protein. drink in my shaker and don't clean it after a couple of days. And also, if you drink too much protein drink, your piss starts to smell weird. If there's too much protein in your body, your liver breaks that excess protein down to ammonia. Ammonia is toxic to your body, so then your liver breaks that down further into urea, which is the smell of piss. So using that theory, I then
Starting point is 00:51:17 poured a protein drink into a flour pot and generated the exact same smell that was present in all the other flower pots. I solved the problem. demonstrated that I wasn't pissing into the flower pots. I don't think a neurotypical person is going to do that. I don't think they're going to end up... Find themselves in that situation, but they're accused of it either. But there you go.
Starting point is 00:51:37 You can't just tell me that the flower pots smell like piss and I'm not going to figure out exactly why. I'm going to think about it so hard that I throw spoons in the bin. I think I know who it was. The person hasn't worked here in four years. And I think that was deliberate vandalism. that was an angry disgruntled man and his little victory was
Starting point is 00:51:59 making the flower pots smell like piss with his protein drink. You see, that's the thing this shit happens. When you have these fucking office environments, when you have people working in jobs that don't feel fair, people who don't have contracts, people who are being exploited,
Starting point is 00:52:18 in whatever little company was in this building, you do actually get disgruntled. people who feel so powerless in the unfairness of their job. They engage in petty vandalism as a way to get that anger out to rebalance a sense of fairness. Are they steel full rolls of toilet paper? That's why the toilet roll dispensers in this office are screwed in, you can't fucking open them. Because some people are like, I hate my job, I'm being exploited, I'm not earning enough money, my boss is treating me like shit
Starting point is 00:52:53 I'm going to steal toilet paper because toilet paper costs money and there's loads of it in this building so I'm taking one of those big giant rolls home and sometimes you go to a house party and you go to the toilet and when you're upstairs in the house party you see a giant corporate roll of toilet paper
Starting point is 00:53:11 in that person's house and that's what they're doing which is why my spoon frivolity is so dangerous because I look like one of those cunts I look like one of them that fella's disgruntled he's stealing spoons or thrown him away
Starting point is 00:53:25 because he thinks he's not going to get caught that's a little bit of anger there you don't want to be that person and how do I know the person who was thrown the protein drinks into the flour pot was not nor divergent the person who I think they weren't it was norotypical passive aggression
Starting point is 00:53:42 but I was a prime suspect I was a prime suspect for pacing into flower pots in the year of our Lord 2023 unfortunately they're trying to bring the UHT milk back because there's no names at the top in the management I've noticed and they're trying the UHT milk again so I sent strongly worded letters about the incidents in 2024
Starting point is 00:54:05 and hopefully they'll listen this is the strangest podcast I've done in a long while lads this is really one of those ones if you're a first time listener this is one of the deep end ones but I have a feeling it's going to help one or two people who are
Starting point is 00:54:24 dealing with executive dysfunction and struggling in their jobs. The waiter or waitress who's dyspraxic who dropped 12 pints on the floor last weekend are the shop worker. The shop worker whose responsibility is to show up at 8 in the morning
Starting point is 00:54:43 and you have the key that opens the shutters to the shop and you lost the fucking key and the shop isn't open today and you don't own the shop you're an employee and you don't know how to explain to your fucking boss we can't open the shop today I've lost the key
Starting point is 00:54:58 or the hairdresser who doesn't understand where you have difficulty reading clocks or remembering things or preparing a meal for yourself or even getting up off the couch after an entire day of speaking with your clients while you're cutting their hair
Starting point is 00:55:14 and engaging in stories about their holidays and suppressing your desire to speak about whatever thing you're really fucking interested in because if you do speak about it they're going to look at you like you're mad this really eccentric strange humorous I know it's fucking funny I know it's funny that I throw the teaspoons in the bin
Starting point is 00:55:34 that I did it 11 times maybe I know that that's funny but this is that's the lived reality of Nora divergence doing mad shit mad shit that looks destructive it looks attention-seeking, really embarrassing carry-on in professional environments.
Starting point is 00:55:53 And I hope there's employers listening. If you have nora-divorgent workers, look towards the strengths and provide an environment where that worker feels safe enough. To come to you with the ridiculous shit they just did, try to take accountability for it and not be afraid of losing their job.
Starting point is 00:56:12 And then for you as the nora-divargent person who's implied. if you have an official diagnosis unfortunately I think this is the only way that that works to understand what a reasonable accommodation is to understand your statutory rights and statutory rights are the rights that just exist
Starting point is 00:56:31 they just are they can't be taken away they can't be argued against and if you're protected under European disability law if you're ADHD if you're autistic your employer is legally obliged to provide you with a reasonable accommodation.
Starting point is 00:56:48 If your diagnosis means that you can't work as comfortably as the other people around you, if the office is too noisy and you need to wear headphones and HR come to you and say that's a bit rude, the other people in the team would prefer if you're talking to them.
Starting point is 00:57:08 The other people in the team are saying that you're not sitting with them at lunchtime. The clothes you're wearing are a little bit too baggy. We have a dress coat around, we expect people to dress professionally and you're wearing these really baggy clothes. If you have a diagnosis you can say I'm asking you, I'm not asking you, I'm entitled to a reasonable accommodation here. I'm artistic so I can't dress that way you want me to dress because if I do I can't fucking work because I feel I experience the fabrics very differently so I dress
Starting point is 00:57:38 this way and under EU law I'm entitled to the reasonable accommodation that you must let me wear my baggy clothes in the workplace. I'm getting overstimulated by noises. The sound of so many people talking around me. So I'm going to put these headphones on and listen to music while I work. I'm requesting that as a reasonable accommodation because
Starting point is 00:57:59 I get overstimulated by the fucking noises. The lights are too bright. The lights are too bright in my office. Can I change? Can I have these lights change to something that doesn't over-stimulate me? Because I experience, I experience that as so irritating that I can't concentrate.
Starting point is 00:58:15 So I'm actually shit at my job because of these things and I'm going to end up getting fired because I'm so shit at my job because of all these overstimulating things in my environment. So I'm requesting a reasonable accommodation. That's your statutory right. You don't have to argue for it. It is. It simply is. You shouldn't feel like you're going to get in trouble.
Starting point is 00:58:37 They're going to figure out a way to fire you if you ask for it. That you can challenge that as unfair dismissal then. The only way that an employer can deny you a reasonable accommodation for what is legally classed as a disability, the only way that an employer can deny it to you, they have to prove that providing you with that accommodation means that their business model shuts down. So maybe, I don't know, if you're a guard, if you're a police person or if you're a bus driver, If you're working in, if you need a fucking uniform for your job and that's really important. But that particular uniform is so overstimulating that you can't do your job,
Starting point is 00:59:23 then if they can't find a way where you can be somewhere where you can wear clothes that don't overstimulate you, look, you're a traffic warden and we need traffic wardens to wear the traffic warden uniform. We can't do this. But for most of the other shit, wearing headphones in the office, is that really going to fuck with everybody? or does it just piss people off a little bit? Look up your rights and know what a reasonable accommodation is. Same if you're in school or university. I was speaking to a person I know recently
Starting point is 00:59:51 who I suspect is ADHD or dyslexic. And I knew they'd been doing a night course and I asked them, how'd you get on with that fucking night course because I know you were so excited about it? And they adored the night course and it was 20 weeks long and they showed up every fucking night
Starting point is 01:00:13 for this night course and had perfect attendance and adored it and loved it and I said brilliant did you get your certificate and they went no because when it came to the fucking end of the course I was asked to do a 2000 word essay
Starting point is 01:00:30 and I chickened out and didn't show up and I didn't get my certificate even though I showed up for the entire course and I said to that person that's pretty extreme that's a very extreme reaction. I said go back to the course, tell them you suspect that your ADHD or dyslexic
Starting point is 01:00:48 and ask them what can they do. You've got perfect attendance. Can they figure out another way for you to be assessed, where it's not an essay? And in most cases that exists. So that's all the time I have for this week. That was an anecdotal phone callish episode
Starting point is 01:01:04 of things I needed to get off my chest. And also, I don't think many people are talking about this shit. I mean, there's more and more discourse out there about what it is to be neurodivargent. And I listen to some of it. But the thing I don't hear getting spoken about a lot is the eccentricity part of things.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Because the nature of it is so fucking ridiculous. It's hard to take it seriously because it's too funny. And it is funny. It's really fucking funny and ridiculous. But it has consequences when it pops up by surprise and it's outside of the person's
Starting point is 01:01:42 fucking awareness. That's the stinger, the outside of the awareness part. And it's brought to your attention and you go, oh my God, I can't believe I've been doing that. So I'll catch you next week. Hopefully with the salad podcast. In the meantime, rubber dog, wink at a swan.
Starting point is 01:01:59 Genia fleck to a kestrel. Dog bless.

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