The Blindboy Podcast - Indigenous knowledge systems and Irish Mythology with Tyson Yunkaporta

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

Tyson Yunkaporta is an Academic is an Author and Aboriginal indigenous thinker. His revolutionary book Sand Talk deals with indigenous systems of knowledge and how they can be applied to the world Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

10 to the veranda, you henpecked Brenda's. Welcome to the Blind Boy podcast. If this is your first podcast, consider going back to an earlier episode. And if you're a regular listener, you know the crack. I want to begin with thanking all the podcast listeners down in Australia and New Zealand for getting tickets to my tour in April 27. I only announced it last week and already the Sydney High School. Opera houses nearly half sold, which is mad and I should have booked more fucking dates.

But these things are very difficult to predict. And again, if you'd have said to me a couple of months ago, you need to book a bigger Australia and New Zealand tour. I'd have said, no, that'd be ridiculous. Why would I do that? But anyway, thank you so much. I really wasn't expecting half the tickets to be gone in a week. So this week's podcast is, it's going to be a little thank you.

you. I'm going to be releasing an episode that I had sitting in the vaults for more than a year. It's a chat I had with an incredibly fascinating person called Tyson Yonka Porta. And Tyson is an academic and a writer. He's an indigenous Australian, an Aboriginal person who, whose work centers around indigenous knowledge systems. The Aboriginal people, the Aboriginal people. people of Australia have an unbroken oral culture. There are stories that describe geological shifts, stories that might describe an island that you could once walk to on foot,

but that was so long ago that the sea levels have risen since and that patway doesn't exist anymore. And in Ireland we looked to, we look to Aboriginal Orrida, storytelling to try and understand how we would have told our Indigenous mythology before writing arrived. So the person who put me in contact with Tyson was Mancon McGahn, the dearly departed Mancon Magin. It was a good friend of mine who died earlier this year. And Mancon did a lot of work with Indigenous Australian people, sharing stories and spending time out in the

bush and I think Mancon is the reason that I have Indigenous Australian listeners because he used to tell them. He told me he used to recommend my podcast wherever he went around the world. And one of the people who he spoke about me to was Tyson Yonkaporta. And Mancon said to me, if you go to fucking Australia, you have to chat with my friend Tyson. You have to have a chat together. Because the two of you would have mad crack. And he was right. And it was man con who's, and it was man con who's set up this talk between the two of us and this chat took place or this yarn

as Tyson would call it this took place in I think it was fucking 2024 if not 2024 early when the fuck was I in Australia April 2025 and this was in the Palais Theatre and

Tyson has a book as well called Sand Talk how indigenous thinking can save the world and I strongly recommend that you'll get it because it's fascinating. It explores concepts in Aboriginal culture such as the dream time and songlines which they're hard to, difficult to understand with the limitations of the English language and a culture based around linear time and I tried to access these ideas through Irish mythology, through the other world. So me and Tyson had this chat

about the similarities between Irish myth and Indigenous Australian myth and I think you're going to love it and this is it's a special gift to my listeners in Australia and New Zealand but if you're not from fucking Australia

and New Zealand you're still going to enjoy it and just a little disclaimer too because me and Tyson speak about colonisation the land that we now called Australia was colonised by the British. So we have a crack off the Brits quite a bit. And if you are a person living on the island known as Britain

or identify as British, when you hear me saying the Brits, the Brits, the Brits, the Brits, and this is any time I'm talking about the Brits, I'm never speaking about people. I'm never speaking about the people of Britain, especially the working class people of Britain. When I say the Brits, what I'm referring to is British colonisation, the system of power,

the violent imperial capitalism that justified its expansion using racism. This is now being done by the Yanks, the Imperial Empire of America. So just know that if you hear me talking about the Brits, the Brits, the Brits. Talking about a colonial system of power. Not a sweeping statement about the individual human beings. on the island of Britain. I got countrymen here. What's the crack?

Oh, all the crack. Could you bring your mic a little bit closer? Too much crack. Our mutual friend, Mancon, put us together. Mancon Megan. And Mancon told me, if I come here that I must speak to you. He said that we think about things the exact same way.

Yeah, but we all do. Like people who know the law. And you've got Irish lawkeepers and you're into the law there of your country. And so we've done that since the first fleet. Here, Irish and Aboriginal people, we've been in good relation. Yeah. So we're just doing what we always do. Australian rules football.

Irish men and Aboriginal people invented that shit. I didn't know that. Everything, everything you see that's... Australia's got like less culture than... a cup of yogurt, you know. But what there is, that is like an Australian identity,

like Ozzy, any of the good stuff, that's what we did. We did that shit in diplomatic relations. And we say deadly. We both say deadly. Yeah. Deadly, like,

and it means the same thing. You say deadly and we say deadly. I caught a swore and I heard you say feckin. Well, it's just you kind of pick up the language Go along So I'm coming at this I'm very curious

About Aboriginal I don't know what to call them belief systems I'm very curious But I know fuck all And also I just didn't want to go reading Like I tried reading about the dream time And then it's like Some English fellas writing about it

And I just felt No I'm not going to read a brace talking about in the same way that's Jesus Christ listen I've read British people talking about Irish mythology and it's like will you sit down and be quiet mm-mm no they don't get it like that's it um yeah like even they know more about Irish hair like you know they tease you about your hair they do the teeth us about our hair and the way that we say 33 and a turd What is the dream?

I know, you can't resist that. It is pretty funny. It's like when I was down at fucking New Zealand, and I couldn't bring up the video game Red Dead Redemption in case they said, Redemption. But what is the dream time? What is the dream time?

It's the same everywhere. Yeah, anybody who still got that, you know, that culture of the land and the law, you know, we're all in that same dreaming. You're like, you know, everything, everything is just those flows, so sacred flows in the land, and you follow that law. And, you know, that's it. And it's just, it's what goes through you,

everything in what they're called dreaming. Now it's like everything that's ever been or ever will be in creation exists there and has always exist there, timeless, in the forms, their potentialities, you know, their way to be borne through, and sometimes they go back down like dinosaurs and shit. The non-linear time, is it a way of looking at time? Yeah.

Because we... So in Irish, what we have is what we... The other world we call it, which is... So pre-Christianity, because I think Christianity is what gave us linear time, right? So pre-Christianity we had the other world which was a state that could be shimmered in and out of

it wasn't the past, it wasn't the future it was a place of great abundance All right That's in Titanic That's when the mother is like About to drown with her kids and she's trying to put them to sleep And they all went off to the land of Tune Oh fuck yeah

Yeah it is it's Ternan Hall But that's We wouldn't go caught in a tear and an og. That's more, yeah, the Yangstead daughter shit with... She was, she was, you know, in Terminator 2, John Thing, you know, the JC. She was, wasn't she? She was the stepmother, no, the foster parent mother.

I've seen her, and I went, that's a gammon accent. That's another thing we say gammon, yeah. You say gammon, yeah. When you say gammon, does that mean? I mean, because what we say is not gammon, right, but we'd say gammy. So if our accent was shit, I'd say that's a gammy accent. That accent is gammy. That's it.

It's probably the same thing. Yeah, that's it. Anyway, you were saying something? I got, it's my ADHD, it's just, there's movies going in my head all the time. My son, my son's autistic and he's nonverbal, but he speaks in like movie quotes. Really? Yeah, which is really cool. Are you able to, like, he?

Or he does like the GPS So when we get home He says he'll walk through the gate and say You know what they say at the end of the GPS I can't remember You know you have reached your destination Root guidance He's finished

Does he say that? Yeah Does he have like a pattern recognition thing going on When he makes the movie quotes Are you trying to figure out the patterns that he's making Yeah because sometimes it's just a loop He just go around because he needs to, you know.

But sometimes, you know, if he says we're going to need a bigger boat, then you know something's going to happen, you know. Yeah. Anyway, that's probably nothing to do with his autism. He probably just got that from me. I got a dose of the autism as well. No shit, bro.

Was it the plastic bag that gave away? No, it was when I've seen you backstage without it. It's even worse underneath. No, I get to do my finger-flicking when the bag isn't on, you see. I don't finger-flick on stage. But... Just hands. Here's one, right?

Is it difficult to use the English language to understand indigenous concepts? Ah yeah, yeah it is So with the time thing People say oh Aboriginal time is circular And it's like ah Not really Oh even circular You know

Because it's like Most of our languages We don't have a different word For time and place And it's the same thing So time and space is one thing Einstein said that as well Isn't me

Yeah yeah So you know Like if we want to say What time You know you're going to do something in my language is Ack Nen, which is just like what place? Holy fucking God. It's the same thing.

It's the same thing. Do you have... So we speak Hiberno English, right? So we speak English and it's informed by the grammatical structure of the Irish language. Yeah, yeah. So we can say things that, I could say to you, are you going to the shop you are? I just asked and answered the same question, but it gets perfect sense.

Yeah, yeah. Or what I have to really watch myself with is, like if you said something that I was fascinated with, I would say to you, go away and fuck off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, like, if you're not, and that just means, wow, that's really interesting,

tell me more. Yeah. But I've just said, go away and fuck off. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's that you double up antonyms. It's a thing. there's a, there's, I don't know, there's research about it. I'm a scholar, so boring as shit.

But there's plenty of research on that. And we do that, but Asimov throws in like negated antonym as well. So it's, you know, you go away, don't come here, fuck off. So we'll throw in like a knot one as well. So we'll say it three times. Wow. We'll say what it is and we'll say what it isn't, and then we'll say what it is again.

different way. Another one we have as well is if I was to meet you, I'd say oh Tyson, it's yourself. It's myself. Which that confuses a lot of Brits, because they go, I know it's me, what do you mean? True God, but you're seeing me and you're seeing all my relations

too and you're acknowledging kin. You use the word relational. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So myself, so that's like me, but it's, you know, it's not really an eye that you have. It's always like a dot, dot, dot, dot, me, dot, dot, dot, because it's in all that connection. Like if someone refers to me as him, they're going to go like, you know, him are belonging to her, or him belonging to them, you know.

And so that, yeah, we just keep extending all those pronouns. I'm not going to force you to use our Aboriginal pronouns, by the way. Don't fucking panic, you're like, weirdos. Did you have... Oh, that's it, I've been fucking forced speech. Freedom of speech. It didn't cancel. Fucking woke.

What, mind virus, cunts. Yeah. Did I hear you say us too once? Us too is a pronoun. Yeah. What's, is that the English? Us too? Well, us too what's like slowly going to happen here.

You know? And that's what happened when the first Irishman stepped off on the beach. and the British are fucking around with their muskets and shit and putting people in chains and abducting people and like, yeah, you're walking up and going, hey, how's yourself, like, or whatever, you know. And, yeah, we recognize each other. So, you know, we started to come into relation.

But, yeah, there's protocols and there's ways of coming into relation. You get that because, you know, you were bringing your own language and place and law and you understood us, you know, and you had that same extended kin feeling. And you also understood that diplomatic relations are best achieved and most swiftly through a bit of good old Roydin. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So he was Royden, like, good and hard right from the start, you know? Understand, like, so the best way for, like, you know, we're slowly coming in and building, and us too here, but it would be quicker if you just were hooked up with my sister. Then I'm just like, hey, you're my brother. English different way, they'd be like,

oh, don't you fucking look at my... Oh, that's the northern ones. They weren't so bad. Yeah, get your filthy heathen eyes away from the ladies. The other thing as well is the Irish that would have been arriving here in the 1800s, they would not be able to write because those Irish Catholics

the penal laws was happening in Ireland of the time so those people they legally they couldn't practice their religion they couldn't own property they couldn't own a horse they couldn't vote

and they could not write deliberately they couldn't have access those people they received an education but in what we called hedge schools so there were illegal schools that happened in hedges with teachers that were illegal priests

and and this would happen around a mass rock which is a big rock that's often beside what you'd call a pagan holy well which was a way to enter the other world

but when the penal laws came in and we couldn't practice catholicism we returned back to the indigenous religion so now this mass rock that has a little well beside it that's where you're doing illegal mass and it's where you're having illegal school as well. And the Irish language was completely illegal. So the Irish that would have come here,

they would have been full oral culture. They would have been oral culture. And in a strange way, by about the 1800s, the Irish had become a little bit decolonised because they weren't allowed to read and write. And we returned to something that was pre-Christian and created a new thing. And I don't know, it's hard to understand what it was like in the 1800s, but you'd have to imagine that that's definitely assisted in a kinship between Aboriginal people and Irish people. It's just, oh, yeah, oral culture, okay. You know?

Yeah, completely. And, you know, even, you know, your big worm things, you got there, the big serpent. The past, yeah. Yeah, that's, we've connected a lot. We've got embassy, you know, with Ireland going on. And we connected a lot through that serpent law. Same one, you know, protecting the waterways and always connected to women, like, really strongly.

Yeah. So it's, you know, this big serpent, you know, when they tried to stab the hag and they got her in the thigh and the big snake come out and ripped everything up. And, you know, and all those places and then the wells where they go through, you've got those rituals you do seasonally when the eels come through. because it's that form of that snake in that other world. And that's where the snake is, that that's the dreaming there. You asked him before, I finally answered. Yeah, it's the same one. Yeah.

Yeah, I recognize a lot. And we have good embassy here. There's a lot of Irishmen here who have the law. And, you know, we work together, you know, in land management. And, you know, we don't treat, we don't treat the, the black thorn and stuff that you got, is growing feral here. We don't treat that like, we,

you know, we, like, we asked the Irish, like, well, when, what's the season when the fairies are in there? Because we don't want to get bit, you know, in the blackthorn. And like, you know, when can we cut it? And we cut it together and they show us how to make shalelys. And, yeah.

Yeah, we don't. And we work out how we're going to bring that into a symbiotic relation in the landscape with other species. So it becomes naturalized. And plants are easier to do that with them than settlers. It's taken a long time. It's fucking, yeah. Like we, white thorn and blackthorn at home,

they often grow near Holy Wells. People are fucking terrified of them. And the beautiful thing about the black turn and the white thorn is not even the Brits fucked with it. Like the superstition that Irish people had around white, Blackthorn and in particular fairy forts. You ever hear of fairy forts?

So like, if you don't know, it would have been... Like, people didn't remember their history. So an old wooden castle, pre-Britz, the castle would be up on a mound, but then the castle would rot away and it just left with this strange mound and often stones around it. And then hundreds of years later,

people would just assume, I don't know what the fuck that is, but it must have been the fairies that put it there. And we call this a fairy fort. And this is why, luckily, like, we've got monuments in Ireland that are five, six thousand years old. Because the superstition and fear of them was so great that even when the coloniser came in, it's like, Paddy is terrified of that hill. Let's just leave it alone. That's it.

It's just like, I know what he believes is probably bullshit, but they're terrified at this hill. Can we just leave it be? And that's why we still have these things, because the feelings. year was so great. And it was the same with the like Jesus man, you can find, there's a fella called Eddie Lennahan and he's a Shanaki which means that the community has decided that he preserves old stories.

And like when Ireland joined the EU and we got all this European money to build roads like there was a motorway being built and right there in the middle of the path was a white torn fairy tree. And fucking Eddie went to the politicians and the builders and he just said,

you can do it if you want, I can't stop you, but don't. They built them all the way around it, man. They built them all the way around it and out of sheer fear, you know? I mean, I've even got stories of fucking... A fella moved into a house, he was a buddy of mine. And when he moved into the house,

like Eddie, Eddie's got this big long beard. All of a sudden, Eddie arrives at his door knocking, going, there's a tree out front, don't cut that tree. Now the guy in the house is just going, I don't know who the fuck this gun is. So he cuts the tree down, and the next day, there's a bull in his garden at an over, and then he banishes the bull, and every single week, a Robin crashes into the window and dies. You know what I mean? And it's just, I don't know what's going on, but if Eddie Lenehan tells you not to cut a tree...

No, you'll be getting sick now. Just listen to him. You'll have a prostate the size of a bagel. he'd be getting up to piss three times in the night he wanted to know what's going on but yeah they'll get him yeah something that we we look towards Aboriginal people for is

so like writing was a good and a bad thing for Ireland we got writing in the fifth century I think you said riding oh sorry writing the written word back to the date of my sister the fucking written word

yeah Like, Christianity, when people talk about saying Patrick, right, okay, he bought Christianity, that's not, the important thing that Patrick brought was the technology of writing. And we were able to write down our indigenous stories, but you can't trust them because Christ had to get involved. So now we last the oral tradition, and instead we have this in writing, and Christ is stuck in the middle of it. And then when it came time to fight the Brits and get Ireland back, like Mancon's reditives, they also rewrote our mythology, but made it about fighting and masculinity.

So we've lost, we have our myths, but we don't know if they're true or not. And what we're trying to get back to is to understand, like we've got fucking huge stories, like the town book Coorna, which is thousands and thousands of thousands of pages long. And people told this story by using the landscape. Like I went to the site of where the tawn happens, and it's on one of these big hills. It's called Rat Cron up in Roscommon. And the dude was there, and he said,

this is how they told the tawn. So you stand on this hill, and then you start at that mountain and that river, and it takes a full day. But the druids or the phila or whatever we call them, they had this skill to remember this giant story just by reading the landscape. And we have to guess that.

And the way we guess it is by looking as indigenous Australian people because you've got that unbroken tradition. We have to assume that we had something a bit like songlines. Do you know what I mean? Like, what I just... Is that songlining what I just described there?

Yeah, that's it. Munkin describes... It's that Shannon River? Is that it? Yeah. He describes that as a, like, a living body of law, you know, that is like, you know, can be sung as you, as you go along it. There's all that story in it, and it's, it's along it. And it's a fucking songline, man.

Yeah. It's, it's like not just a us thing. That's a, like, everybody, human being thing. That's what humans do. And how cognition is spatial, you know? Our memory is spatial, you know, memory is place. We make maps and we make stories in our head all the time, and that's how we do memory.

Every human does that. People got bad memories now because they're not in place in the same way, you know, making that meaning and that law when they walk through place, you know. But that's how we do. That's how we've always done. Do you ever feel yourself getting... like, I sometimes I feel myself

getting more stupid because I have a phone. Like, I literally... Like, I used to be, before the internet, right? My value was, because of the old autism, but people would literally ring me up on the phone and ask for facts.

Because they're like... But that's how it was. Before the fucking internet, people like me, you know, what's the capital of fucking Bolivia? I get a... phone call and I know the fucking answer and I had

great value. Now I don't remember shit anymore because I don't have to because I've got a box in my pocket called memory, you know what I mean? And just regarding the Shannon River there. So the story of the and this is how I like to connect the things

with today, but the story of the Shannon is that at the top of the Ireland there's one of these holy wells and this holy well at the top of Ireland was called Cunel as well. And we've a strange thing in Ireland with these holy wells where we believe that the knowledge from the other world, the abundance from the other world, it comes up in this well via

bubbles. Now those bubbles, they're also minerals. Like Ireland is limestone. So you've got really great. It's fucking baraka. That's what it is. If you're going a thousand years ago, if you're hanging about a holy well, you're drinking. about a holy well, you're drinking baraka. You're getting zinc, you're getting all of these

metals that your body need from drinking this spring water that tastes a little bit zingy. So the poets used to hang around these wells. The poets would hang around these wells because they believe that by drinking this water, that's where they get the inspiration from the other word. They might have actually just been getting vitamins, you know? But anyway, there's this one well and there was a poet and her name was Sinan and she wanted to be the fucking best poet in Ireland

her dad was the god of the sea she wanted to be the best poet in Ireland but there was rules about how you engage with this well you can sip from it you can write poetry around it you can meditate around it but you don't go into the well Sinan got greedy and she goes fuck that I'm going to the source of those bubbles

so she dives in and tries to swim down to the bottom of this well to where the bubbles come up, and then the well goes, fuck you. And it throws her body way up into the air and smashes it down and she dies. And then all the knowledge of the other world

flows with her body down Ireland and brings it to the Atlantic. And Shannon becomes the river Shannon, right? And it's this river that flows with all the knowledge of the world. But today, Ireland, because of its low corporate tax rate, We've got all these fucking data centers, man.

We've got Amazon and Google are coming here to use our free water. But what's a data center? Only all the knowledge in the known world. So they're fucking exploiting our water and using it to hold all the knowledge of the world. But thousands of years ago, our indigenous mythology says it does the same thing. And that's, I mean, that's fully recognizable as a dreaming story to me. You know, someone does the wrong thing.

they get brutally killed and they turn into a land form. That's pretty much it. There's no happy endings. Dreaming story, you see a dreamy story with a happy ending. That's some bullshit. Oh, that's how the kangaroo got his tail. Is it? And that's the end of the story?

No, because they were definitely Royden in there too because there's lots and lots of fucking in dreaming stories. We got all the writing out of our stories, man. Oh, everywhere you walk, it's all Buddhas and Junus and so-so. Big one everywhere, like in the... land. Everyone, that's where they'd done it there and like, you know, if the

big hero ancestors they stop to take a shit, that's there too, you know? This is all sacred things. Ireland, I think most of your waterways are named after female body parts. Yeah, that's a good one. We do, we lost a lot of

we don't have people, a lot of people taking shits in writing because, see, the Christians got involved, but the Christians got involved, you see, so now, is in the town something that did get preserved is like a 3,000 year old reference to a tit wank. Hey. Which is, when Kukolin meets the queen, Ifa, or Maeve, I think it is. When Kukkollan meets Mave, he says to her, I would like to lay my sword between your mountains. But then

that's it. There's mountains that are called the Paps of Ifa. So there are mountains. It's stunning. Kerry, you can look at them and it's a woman's body. Do you know what I mean? And the other thing too is we have there's a thing called a monument called New Grange and it's a passage tomb

and it's about four or five thousand years old and what makes New Grange really special is on the summer or the winter solstice the sun shines on the 21st of December and perfectly illuminates this ball in the middle.

So our ancestors understood astrology enough that they could build a structure that on the 21st of December boom this this is illuminated and it's guesswork but what we think people were doing was the land was the goddess and the sun is the sperm

or the penis and we were trying to get the land pregnant with the sun on the 21st and that was the purpose of that and they also believe that kings in Ireland, pre-Christian kings, they were married to the land goddess. Right. And the job of that king was to get the land pregnant.

And St. Patrick writes in his confession. So St. Patrick's confession from the 5th century, it's the first piece of writing in Ireland ever. And it's Patrick talking about what Ireland was like. And one thing that Patrick mentions is the handshake in ancient Ireland was one man would suck another man's tit. So the king, a man of higher status, if a man of lower status came along, it's just suck my tits. And Patrick mentions this, but when we find bog bodies, so bog bodies are bodies that have been ritualistically killed maybe four or five thousand years ago, they all have their nipples chopped off. So they reckon that these bog bodies, they're all definitely wealthy people because some of them have like, hair jailing their hair and it comes from Spain.

So if you're getting that 5,000 years ago, you've got a couple of quid. But the nipples being cut off, what we have to guess is that these kings failed to fuck the land and get it pregnant. So if there was a bit of a famine or a bad crop,

it's like, you fucking, you didn't ride the land correctly. You didn't get her pregnant. We need a new one. It's the other way as well, because if you got kings, then you've got a patriarchy there. And we got matrilineal and petrolineal. See, we don't know that. We're guessing. We're guessing.

In Australia. This is the clue. This is why we've got a yarn because this is where we piece things back together, you know. So down south here, it's all matrilineal cultures, you know, and the women keep the bloodline and they speak for things, you know. My mob. Other way. Yeah. So the petrillionial ones, you know.

we're not so much into the bloodlines thing. We'll just bring anyone in, you know? You know, so we've kind of got that advantage, which I don't know what kind of helps with culture and stuff like that. But women preserve things, right? But if you are, if you're going to rule, I mean, the land is, I mean, it's woman, you know? Like women, everyone, the sacred famine and all that kind of stuff.

It's just like, you have to be female to be like, you know, for the bloodline to follow you, you know, or for the, you know, to have a patriarchal culture, you have to become woman, ritually. And so we got a lot of, a lot of trans stuff happening, you know, in the old way rituals. They're the ones that got beaten out of us first. Really? Yeah, yeah. That was the first thing. like, hang on, there's women, these women over here,

they're dancing with these big strap-on wooden dildos. That's got to stop. We'd cut those dildos off. And, you know, yeah, and a lot of men, you know, like rites of passage stuff with men, like ritually birthing, like the young men. And we also, we got, so in my mob, we've, us men, we've got spirit, we've got wounds.

We've got spirit wounds. And we have spirit. children because otherwise we wouldn't be able to be a patrilineal culture, you know. So that's what's happening with those men, I reckon, in the story you're telling, is that they are actually spiritually nourishing with milk and doing a nurturing. A beautiful way of it. Nurturing thing, you know? Yeah.

Because I can't make sense of it. I can't. side of things and got a bit you know like I don't know a bit rapy with the land or whatever then probably you're going to cut his tits off and bury him in the mud yeah

we had we had a kind of a gender fluidity too which it lasted up until the 1930s you ever heard of pochein So Puccine is

So that Japanese like No it's it's it's Irish Moonshine it's it's so Ireland We invented whiskey right And the way that we invented whiskey is absolutely fucking gas So when

We got the ability to write Rome is collapsing And now Ireland is Preserve Ireland's learning Latin script And Ireland is preserving everything you can get its hands on. So Ireland is just going to Europe, going, give me that book, give me that book.

No one in Europe can fucking read them. We can read them because we're preserving it. And then the Irish come across Greek translations of old Arabic scripts. And the Irish find Greek and Latin translations of Arabic distillation. Now, the Arabs had been distilling flowers for perfumes and for alchemy.

But the Irish monks who were making beer start translating this and say, I wonder, could we do this distillation thing for perfume but with beer? And then they find whiskey. But when the Irish monks find the whiskey and they eventually make fucking

Puccine, they're like, holy fuck, what is this? This is so powerful. But then it kind of leaks into our indigenous mythology. And the Puccine maker they don't know that they're doing science they have a ritual about how to make this puchin but they start

to believe that because when you think of it like something getting like barley and potatoes and then all of a sudden you get this incredibly strong spirit to them was like this is magic so we must be stealing this from the other world

Ishgabaha they call it the water of life so puchin makers started to believe that by distilling this spirit that they're stealing this from the fairy world, from the other world. And infant mortality was really, really high in Ireland. So people were afraid of their kids becoming what's called changelings. Have you heard of changelings?

So if there was... Infant mortality was so high that if someone's little baby died, they would just say, that's not my baby that's a changeling. My real baby, the fairies took them and they're away with the fairies. Or if your sibling was mentally ill, that's not my brother, that's not my sister. My real brother and sister is in the woods away with the fairies

and what they've left in their place is a changeling. So Puccine makers were terrified that their kids were going to be targeted by the fairies, by the other world. Absolutely, because they're stealing this spirit. And that's why, like, when a Puccine maker is making Puccine, the first thing they'll do is the Puccine that comes out,

they throw it over their shoulder for the fairies. But also, that's the bit that'll blind you. You know, so there's, it's, it's the way of, it's, the science of it is like, don't drink the first bit of Puccine. Because it contains a different type of alcohol that will leave you blind. So they give that one to the fairies. But anyway, Puccine makers used to dress their kids in the opposite gender's clothes. So if they had a little boy, they'd dress a boy as a girl. If they had a little girl to dress them as a boy, and this used to happen up into the 19thirties.

And it was their way of confusing the fairies to stop them turning into changelings. And you can still see, we have a wonderful resource in our. called Dukas, which is our national folklore collection. And there's photographs of little lads on the beach in the 1930s wearing full dresses, you know? And this was a normal part of culture that the gender could be fluid like that. And there's always been power in that.

So when our kids are traditionally their way with the fairies, I mean, that's easy. Like, we don't have to, like, kill them or so. What did you do at Changeling? I don't know. Some of them were killed, unfortunately. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'd just like make a good fire, put lots of green leaves on it and just smoke the shit out of it.

Wow. Yeah. They're coughing and weeping and spit coming out, vomit and they're good after that. Was that like a spiritual cleanse? Yeah. But the other thing is, like, just the whispers that come through of the role of trans people and like, you know, like gay people, gender fluid people, binary in the old days is that they had like this sacred role they could do shit because we've got men's business and women's business and like you know sometimes there's something happens it's a

problem no one can deal with and a lot of that is problems with children you know and so when a kid would be away with the fairies and like just losing their shit it's always you get the gay guy to come in and sort them out you know there's something they can do that that just calms children and takes a bad spirit out of him, you know, and that there's that role. Yeah, there's also, like, you know, they were really important for, like, young men don't know what to do with them, with them, don't know how to behave with a lady, they need a bit of training, you know? Yeah, so there's also that role. But anyway, yeah, we only know that through accounts of missionaries sort of saying what's absolutely unacceptable. We're going to get rid of that shit. Yeah. But, um, but,

yeah, there's some good people reviving all that. This is the cultural revival. It's, you know, it's following these trails of breadcrumbs and like cross-referencing stuff and seeing the pattern. And then you know when something doesn't fit, you know, because everybody's got a little bit, you know, there isn't one person knows at all. And so, you know, we keep coming together and having yarns

and someone remembers something their grandmother said, and then it comes in. Eventually you can reclaim the whole culture. And you've got to follow it intuitively and through ceremony. you've got to feel it all together. And you know when something doesn't fit because it's not in the pattern, you know, of the law. And then you know that, Ani's making shit up, you know, because sometimes people do that. We've got a problem with that, you know.

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I find that like white Australian people are very virtue signally, right? And they get really nervous around Aboriginal people. Yeah, yeah. And when that happens, they tend to be like

very apologetic and not like having real conversations. Instead, they're like, can you just tell me I'm not racist, please, Tyson? And I want to avoid that by having crack instead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But like, can you tell me about like the last time you were on the stage? Man, well, I didn't feel like hitting you at any stage. when we're yawning, but then out the back when you're saying, no, is it all right what I'm saying? You're not going to be in any of anything. I nearly cracked you with my stick over there, but no.

That's frustrating, man. Because, you know, I have lots of really good friends, you know, some of my best friends, some of my best friends are setless. And, yeah, but that shit gets in the way, you know, they're like, you know, don't come around to my house and keep asking me every five minutes. Like, I'll let you know. And if you go too far, I'll give you a good slap, you know, and then we'll punch on for a bit. And then we'll be good, yeah.

I did a gig last night, and I was like, I don't know, I'm bipolar, so I have episodes. And I ended up, like, quite a bit of it was I ended up doing a workshop, you know, spontaneously, about the best way to punch a Nazi. And I was like, yeah. And fucking, can we get an agreement? Just the people in this room of every single one of us commit to, like, punching that next Nazi we see. You know, you watch how quick them, they shut their fucking mouth then not just, like,

coming up with this, you know? Oh, yes, but you know, you know what, Hitler had some good ideas. Like, you know, everybody, no. And that's how they get their foot in the door. And then next minute, we get that story I was telling you, which I just realized it's a different theater. I've been shitting myself. I'm not going back to the Palais. They're fucking racist there, but it wasn't a palais. It was a forum. I just realized the forum's like real highbrow, right?

And I go there and I got booed off the stage and people were shouting slurs at me. I haven't heard since the 80s when I was a kid. You know what I mean? It was just after the referendum and they all got real brave, you know, and lots of Russian YouTube videos somehow telling them what to say. I mean, they know. They know. they know our slurs. The Russians is weird. Yeah, but they were like, fucking king at me. And like, ah, and that's like, I've still, so I was nervous coming in here. I'm going back to the fucking Palais. And then I sat down,

I went, oh no, that was that other place. There are sound cons, anyway, though, it's kind of. But it's only for, yeah, 40% of them are all right. that was the referendum that come in 6040 60% racist and what was this referendum

what was the referendum like whether we could talk I was like hey can we can we talk to people in parliament it's like oh yeah no

I really want to do yeah but we'd have to change the constitution something somehow in the constitution says black fellas aren't allowed to talk in parliament was it was it about Oh, we got a vote to change the Constitution.

And, like, oh, you know. Yeah, anyway. Fucking hell. Massive and massive bullshit. It was for Aboriginal people to have a voice in Parliament, and then you have to change the Constitution for that to happen, and then Australia said, fuck off, no thanks. Yeah.

We're like, we don't want to, like, make laws and decisions and shit. We just want to talk to you. You know. Potato head cuts. I just had a flashback. I don't know who that is, but that's wonderful. I thought he was heckling me, and I thought, oh, no, it's happening again, it's happening again. I thought that was a slart towards me.

You feckin potato head. I heard you chatting before, which I found very interesting. You were talking about the role of fighting in Aboriginal culture and somehow how that is misinterpreted from the other. outside looking in. Yeah, yeah. What, you know, there's, I think this is everywhere in the world,

there's public violence and private violence. And public violence, you know, serves a purpose, you know, it sorts shit out. But it's that behind closed doors shit that's really bad. Who was talking about that? The bald French fella. What's his fucking name? The bald French philosopher.

Cunt. Foucault. Oh, I thought you meant can't. Cunt. Which is no... I mean, that's probably not how he pronounces. Michel Foucault. Michel Foucault was a big fan of public violence.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's important because, you know, you've got to work that shit out. But it's rule govern. And when everybody's watching, you know, there's rules. Like, you're going to get booed. You're going to get... Yeah, like, there's no hair pulling.

You know, you're not going to pull hair if people are watching, you know? But if you're like, you know, you can't sneak off on your own and fight. or do violence behind closed doors or away, it's got to be in front of everybody. You've got to call them out in the street. Everyone got to be there, 100 people, at least, all watching and adjudicating. And both people, after in the end, walk away with their dignity intact.

And so that's the one who done the wrong thing in the first place, and that's the victim, both. It doesn't matter if one's big, one's small, it doesn't matter. Fair fight. Fair fight. You get in there and you do your best and you throw your best, and you throw your best punches. Oh, Joe Rogan, man, and all them MMA pricks are like,

every fight ends up on the ground. Every fight, you've got to have good ground. No, fucking every fight. No, someone falls down, like, leave them. Like, don't, I'm sweaty on top of me for. Get off of me. We're supposed to be fighting. You're lying on me?

Jesus Christ, you know? You knock someone down, that's it. You wait until they get up and then you punch on again. Like, it's pretty basic rules. Was this something which was, like, this is part of Aboriginal culture, and now all of a sudden you've got colonizers with their police saying, that's public fighting, that's wrong. There's a hundred people standing around yelling and, you know,

a couple of sets of fighters going to it. Oh, it's a fucking riot. It's a riot, you know. Next day Cairns post, riot in our raccoon. Yeah. It's not a riot, man. Like, we're just sorting some shit out. Something it reminded me of.

It's a riot. it when we then go to the police station and start throwing rocks at it. You know, every time, yeah, you want to turn it like proper violent and ugly, like come in, do the siren, flash the lights, see what happens. That's when it kicks off bad. Yeah. So, but that happens everywhere. Police arrive. Things get nasty. Absolutely. Yeah, this is the fascist turn when, like, the oppressors, like, start to paint themselves as being oppressed by the minorities that they're killing, you know? That's the fascist turn.

That's when you know it's getting bad. And that's why I'm saying, punch Nazis. In Ireland at the moment, we're dealing with what they've done in Ireland, which is so fucking frustrating, right? So we have immigrants in Ireland. These are very poor people from Afghanistan, from Syria. And Irish racists are waving. Like, the thing with Irish nationalism,

and this is what I love about Irish nationalism, Our nationalism is never We are better than you so we should take over Our nationalism has always been Can we just please survive? Can we just be ourselves? Can we have our language or culture? That's what our nationalism is.

For the first time we're seeing people taking our nationalism and they're saying we're being invaded again. They're equating Syrian and Afghani refugees with the fucking Brits. Yeah. but then using the own history of colonization

and oppression like as a kind of get out of jail free cut. You know when it should be like as you say it should be a source of common struggle and a bond between people you know to come together

yeah but it's yeah it's been twisted the other way and the thing we've the benefit of being fucking within the system of race we are considered white within that construct of privilege we are considered white

which means when we fucking speak all those other people that are considered white have to listen so we've got a lot of power there and 800 years of fucking colonization is no crack and you have to do something positive with us and the positive thing is

that happened to us now we've got white privilege how do we use that voice to stand up for people who do not have that privilege now and are currently being oppressed. And it fucking works too because...

No one's going to listen to you. You've only got provisional whiteness. It's like... That fucking racist, what's his name? I can't remember his name. One of the American race it's not worth his fucking name.

It was a Steve Bannon adjacent but yeah, after we spoke about Israel, he said, you've only been white a little while, shut up. Oh. Do you know what I mean?

Ah, yeah. It's less, he knew his shit. He knew his shit. You've won't even white a little while, shut up. I know my shit. I told you. I told you. I told you. Then I'm not going to listen to you. Especially if you start getting cheeky and like, yeah. I mean, you are there.

You get provisional whiteness as long as, you know, as long as you act as foot soldiers, like, and carry out the, you know, That's always been the thing with the Irish. Be the useful idiots. There's a brilliant fucking book called How the Irish Became White. It's fantastic. It's about when the Irish went to, say, New York in the 1840s,

we didn't know what whiteness meant because in Ireland we were under a system of oppression. Then we get to America and, oh, there's this system that if your skin is white, you appear to have access to some type of money and power. And then the Irish people achieved their whiteness through acts of violence towards African-American people. You get that the first instance of that would have been... Because when Irish people moved to New York first, there was actually quite a lot of solidarity with African-American communities.

We were in the same communities. Tap dancing. Tap dancing is literally a mixture of African shuffle dancing and Irish dancing, two things together. There's even some African-American words like, you dig, you dig me, you understand. The Irish for understand is digging, digging to. So we have that early kind of mixing of cultures. And then what happens is the thing called the New York draft riots,

which was about in the 1850s or early 1860s where Irish people are being conscripted to fight in the civil war. And when the Irish people ask, why are you sending me to fight in the civil war? they say, well, to free the slaves. And then the Irish people went, oh, I'm going to hang my black neighbor. So the Irish en masse

then committed huge violence against the African American community, but then the posh Brits loved it. And then the Irish all of a sudden, oh, you're like us. You don't like those black people either. Okay, Paddy, maybe you can join the club. And then we became the police.

I think you, you've, I think there's a page. we became the fucking police. Yeah, but there's a page torn out of that book somewhere that you're missing because usually I know how they did it with the Polish community who weren't regarded as white when they decided, oh shit, geez, we don't have very many white people.

We need more, so they started conscripting more white people. So they told the Polish that they could be white now. But how they told them is like a whole heap of American white people like put on blackface and then went in and raided the Polish neighborhoods. Oh my God. And it rioted and smashed up all their shops and killed people. And then so it was like, hey, see these black people attack you.

You're going to come over here with us and be white. You know, there would have been something like that. I can't. It just didn't, you were telling the story and then like, you know, and they were fucking, yeah, fight for the civil rights. And then they started hanging them. It's like, hang on, something. You missed a bit there.

There would have been some Steve Bannon shit going on there. they always is. You know when you were speaking about the yarn earlier, right? You were fucking teal. When you were speaking about the yarns, right, and you were saying that you get around and you speak and you share stories and then you go, something's missing, or that bit's wrong. Is that an example of that right there?

Yeah, that's it. You can see the pattern, you know, and stories you start painting them back together and you go, nah, something's no right there, you know. But that we can't do that just us too. Like, we flagged that, and then we keep coming around, sitting in circles. And, you know, more people, you know, consensus happens. You've got to be of one belly, which is kind of like being of one mind, except like your belly is where you do your thinking feeling.

And that's the thing that connects across, you know, with people, you know. Yeah, and if you're really on in something like this, which we have a time, brus. Look, we've gone over. But when you're really, when you're this on, fuck the clock. because, you know, we start to feel them bellies, more bellies altogether. Did I finally get my answer about Aboriginal time? Is it fuck the clock? No, it just helped me coming in here, A, realizing that this was a different from now, the racist theatre, and B, like, there's just countrymen calling out, like just some,

d'r-calling out sounds, let me know the ear, and I was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, Now I'm back. I'm back. Yeah. Anyway. It's that belly going, bros. I feel you. I don't know your name, but yeah.

You never read a book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill, did you? No. Oh, you'd love it. Just what you were saying there about the Polish people and how they dress people up as black people to raid, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Chaos by Tom O'Neill. He's this journalist.

He spent 20 years looking at the Charles Manson case. right now this is proper journalism and basically through all the evidence he picked out he found a very very plausible theory that the Manson murders it was actually the FBI behind it and

Manson was working for the FBI and they were trying to frame the Black Panthers that they were the Black Panthers at that time were finding solidarity with white working class communities and then the FBI said no fucking way not class solidarity and then it

was like, it went wrong, but they wanted it to appear like the Black Panthers were going to the Hollywood his and killing rich white people. And then it, because, because they wrote Pig on the door in Sharon Tate's blood. But Pig at that time would only have been an African-American vernacular word. Yo, that's why they shot Martin Luther King Jr. too. He started turning into a class struggle. So straightaway not for you finished Blackie, done. That's why the CIA helped the IRA smuggle guns.

Like, the IRA used to get a lot of guns into Ireland from America, right? And you're kind of going, how the fuck did that happen? And then you find out later the CIA were helping them. And it's like, why the fuck would the CIA help the IRA bring guns in? That doesn't make sense. I thought America's friends were Britain. The reason the CIA were helping the IRA get guns was like, the IRA are going to get guns anyway.

It's better us doing it than them going to the fucking Russians and getting a bit of Marxism. Do you know what I mean? That's it. Seriously. let's give a men 16s because they're not AK-47s because they might get a bit of communism any time a movement shows

class solidarity or any time of a bit of fucking Marxism then shit shut down like I was talking to Tamayette in New Zealand like and he fucking well he got accused of being a terrorist a few years back you know what I mean

but he started getting hardcore he was a communist in the 60s you know and he told me out about his story of getting arrested by the police and getting it wasn't nice. Hey. And then he just said afterwards,

he's like, I found that art was maybe a better pat. And then I asked him, I said, were you trying to farm on Maori IRA? And he goes,

no comment. It's just a caste system in the end, you know? And so you know whiteness is bullshit. It's just made up. You know,

like we still call ourselves blackfellas, all our half of us have pale skin, you know, from all the roydin. I loved that that specifically raiden Irish people is the roydin. But we could be pale as hell, but, you know, my stepdaughter, she's like almost seethrew, you know. She's Aboriginal, but like, yeah, I don't know. It's, we were still not regarded as white, though, because it's...

So it's not about skin color. No. You know, you know it's like the flag and something else. You know, are you with the program? You know, do you have enough invested in property or the dream of owning property and capital that you will stick with the fucking program, you know? Okay, you're white.

And like, you know, blacky, you can be white too, provisionally. You know, yeah, that's how it works. Same with the Irish, so don't get too comfortable. Yeah. married to an Irish woman. Yeah. Married in. She's Aboriginal.

She's Aboriginal. Like she's a borrida woman from central Queensland. But her dad's Irish, like full Irish. And so they're from the O'Kellar hairs from County Cork. But you know what the all means, don't you? No, I've got no idea. So when you were saying about Aboriginal pronouns there, when you were saying that the pronoun is the OZ2 is about it's relational.

When you hear oh in an Irish name That's relational too It means from Yeah So it's from It's your little story in your name And she's perfectly comfortable With all the Irish stuff

That word you said before For a law keeper Shana Key Shana Key Shan is old and key Is story Old story Old story

Same, brother And I heard that for the first time In my life last night That word And that was from my woman She said Yeah she said that

that word, ah, make sure you talk to him about shenna key. Yeah. No, Schenna what? Shenna key, yeah.

Yeah, and I didn't even have to bring it up. You said it anyway. But the class thing about a shanna key is, is no one gets to call themselves a shenna key. It has to be agreed upon by the community. That's it.

So there's only like four shanokees in Ireland and if anyone starts calling themselves a shankee, like some fucking cunt road on my poster, he's a digital shanokee. And I'm like, get that the fuck off the poster. You don't decide that, you know? The community decides that, and there's only...

Eddie Lennahan's a Shanaki. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I punched Nazis, and I punch people who just walk up to me on the street and call me Uncle. Yeah. Same way. Oh, what's Uncle? Yeah. Is that...

Down South, it's kind of like, well, you know, I don't know. Up North, Uncle just means your uncle. But down here, it means... It's a... Oh, man, holy shit. All right. I just been choked out. all right

no no I'm not going to say it I'm going to say it you're down here like uncle and auntie is a term of respect for elders and is it given to you by the community um oh yeah

this is what I nearly said I started getting choked out so like yeah you'll be careful how you talk about elders but you know I hear there's like a problem with some self-proclaiming people you know

for things you know but a law keeper doesn't have to be old too you know there's there's plenty of like ah there's 19 year old men that I defer to you know culturally because they're they're the ones that keep the law you know and so yeah they

I give them that same respect you don't become a Shanaki when you reach a certain age and wait you know yeah it's people just decided I think you have to have a big huge beard as well. All right.

I'm going to bring up the house lights and I'm going to pass a microphone around and we can ask questions and also I have to get a photograph to prove to my mother that this many people have come to my gig. Can we bring up the house lights a bit so we can see everybody? Fucking hell. That's a lot of cunts. Um, Usher with the microphone, there we go. Does anybody have a question about anything in the whole world?

and it can be a question to myself for a question to Tyson. Yonder. Just there, yeah. I got a cold home, let him know I'll be late. You greedy, fucking bastard. I didn't point you out at all, man. It was the person over there. Go on, go on, go for it. He's thinking of a question now.

It's not on. Oh, it is on. All right. It's kind of an interesting thing listening to you because my family got kicked the fuck out of Ireland during the famines. And when I go back to... I've been back to Ireland.

Yeah. Because my surname is Finn. Finn. Yeah, and we don't exist anywhere, but in Ireland. The Finn... Yeah, that's one of those names that, yeah. But it's one of those ones we last with the famine as well. You don't find a lot of Finns.

Yeah. But go on. And my family are all from Bally Hornis. And I go there, right. Bally harness. Yeah. And I go there and I go to this shop. It's called Finn's shoe shop.

And I think, fuck, you know, it's got to be whatever in my family. I've been to the cemetery. Everyone's dead and they're called Finn. And I'm in there. And he looks at me. And he's got blue eyes and blonde here. And he's very fair. And he looks at me and he says, oh, I showed him a photo of my dad.

And he looks at me and he says, you're a furibul. You were before the Celts. A fair bulg? Yeah, yeah. And he says... And he says... A fairerun has called you a fair bulg. Yeah.

Yeah. So a fear bulg is within the mythology. It's the people that existed in Ireland before a race called the Miletians. The fear bulg. the fear bulg were in the mythology a supernatural race of beings right so the fair bulg were there in Ireland and then they had magical powers

then the humans came the militians came from we reckon Spain or Africa and the militians came and then the fair bulg were like you're not coming to Ireland you're not coming to Ireland but then the militians use the power of art and poetry to defeat the fair bulk but then the fair bulk

became the fairies that went into the other world and the fair bulk became the fairies and that's why we're scared of fairies because the militians, the humans conquered this race, banished them to the other world and then we're afraid that they're going to jump out at Halloween and get us at all time. So he's calling you some type of pre-fairy demonic being

yeah yeah yeah and then that's a big one man coming over to Australian get called a fucking pre. What a mad, cun. Do you know what that is? That's like when I walk into a shop here and people start telling me about a drop bear. He's just doing some spooky Irish shit

to freak you out. Here's an Aussie here, I'm going to call him a fucking demon. The thing is, when I was in Dublin, I was called a fucking plastic paddy. You know, because we're all tourists. Tell him you're born of the fair bull and see how far that gets you. That's the maddest shit I've ever heard.

Thanks. That was more of a statement than a question, though, but we'll let you have it because it was mental. Any other questions? I wasn't expecting that. I was fucking... Jesus Christ, man. Yonder there, please, if you wouldn't mind.

Have we got only one usher? Do we have a superposition of Usher's Grace? Got a double usher. If you wouldn't mind there behind you, there's a lady in a white jumper, I believe. Put her hand up, waving it. There's hand-waving competition. Better be a question in that a statement.

Hi, Blindbone boy. My name is Nicola Lurine, which is my Tasmanian Aboriginal name. It's a huge honour to be sitting here listening to you, been a long-time fan and listener. You probably can't see what I look like. Oh, my eyes are shit. That's fine.

I have blonde hair, blue eyes and very white skin. Nevertheless, I grew up in the Tasmania and Aboriginal community of 1990s Tasmania. But I'd love to know what kind of questions you have about this land in particular, Nam? My question's about being here. Any Australian representation that I've seen in culture has never been Aboriginal. I grew up watching heartbreak high I mean that's it Heartbreak high and

the video you're a man with his succulent Chinese male But that's it That's fucking it You know what I mean So I'm here to speak to people like Tyson To learn some shit that isn't represented in the media at all Is there any Aboriginal stuff in Bly Does Bly dip his toe in any Aboriginal stuff at all no

I kind of saw one Where they were like scared of some dingo shitting themselves at night when is that a dingo? I'm surprised because Bluey is the biggest Australian expert now I don't keep up with the latest Bluey

That's someone's got their hand up and is like I've got a fucking question Yeah Hi there How are you? Thank you both for chatting together Stand up too, okay great Oh is that normal? No you're granted It's totally normal yeah you can if you want I really adore you but this question is for Tyson

I work with autistic people. I've had the grace of doing it for eight years and the puzzle solving every day that you get to do with that echolalia that occurs is my favorite thing in the world. I remember the first time I'd been working with a man for a year and he kept saying, the compass is broken.

And I was told it was absolute hogwash. But what he was talking about is the radio was on the wrong dial and it was a radio up in the corner. And he wanted to listen to country music. Okay. And the moment I figured that I've been obsessed with the language of this, and I wanted to ask, is there anything in law and dreaming that refers to neurodivergent people, especially people like your son who are minimally bad with? It's...

Fuck, you're going to be disappointed. Yeah. It's, um, yeah, it's pretty politically incorrect. I guess a lot of things translate that way. It's okay. It's not the forum. But basically, uh... Yeah, but I might go the other way, and I get like 200 woke people charging the stage. I'm autistic, it's fine, you can see what you want. And that's the other thing. Like, yeah, ask the non-autistic guy that, anyway.

So I'm going to... Why are you speaking for me, man? I'm going to speak for autism here. I'll get this one. Go on. I'll get the autistic. Yeah, well, like, I'm just known as a... as a want. Okay, uh, want, it means deaf, but it also it's any kind of neurodivergence.

It's just want, and you get called a want, which sounds like pretty shitty, I guess. But because cognition for us is all tied up with listening and ear, like any word we've got for thinking, sense making, understanding, remembering, it all has a word for ear or listen in somewhere. Yeah, because knowing anything is about being a good listener, you know. The word for a wise person is literally big ear, you know. Yeah, so I got now here because I'm like literally I'm hearing impaired and I'm crazy as a shithouse rat, you know? So, like, a game recognizes game. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know, but this is, this is important because it, it, it, it, it signals to everybody what your role is in the community and like how they should interact with you

and how they need to you know how everybody needs to manage your behavior and your movement so that you don't damage anything you know what I mean and every now and then we come up with some really amazing shit and like that's our sacred role I guess every now and then you say something and it's just like whoop no yep not that boy so like my little fella he's He's been identified as a songman. Like, a songman's really high status, high knowledge role. I don't get to be a fucking songman. I don't get to be anything.

What's a songman? What does a songman do? Songman is the one who keeps all the songs. Wow. All right, but this, yeah. So we went to the Bunyan Mountains for ceremony, and there was this, you know, there was a song there in a particular dance we were all doing. Anyway, a few weeks later, we're sitting at home, and he goes and picks up my clapsticks.

He's supposed to be non-verbal and shit, you know, and he just starts, mimbalading, gumbalari, mimba blam bha. Hep, he'm just like, what? Sing all this, and he just knows all these things, and, you know, and he's heard a couple from back up home, and I've, you know, ah, anyway, yeah, the community's like, oh, yeah, he's a songman, like you've got to bring him up. You've got to sit with granddad Arnold and, you know, he's going to become

yeah, a songman. It's like, ah. But I'm the wind. Fuck so. Anyway. Wow. Yeah. So I actually, I made a documentary recently about,

I was arguing for the case that I was looking for the role of of noradurgeoned people in ancient Irish culture. And I was looking at the Irish monastic system. What was, because the thing is, we had the pagan, druidic structure.

Then all of a sudden, Christianity comes in. But those, it's the same people, you know. And I reckon that the fifth century Irish monastic system was perfect for noda divergent people because you get to wear the same clothes every fucking day. But seriously, same clothes every single day.

Complete isolation. Isolation was a huge part. Like, fuck off onto that island. and you don't have to talk to anyone. Your meals are sorted for you. There's exact routine. You can be mute if you want. And your special interest is just illuminated manuscripts all day long.

So that's what I was thinking. It's like the Nord of the Virgin people. Become a fucking Irish monk. Perfect. There it is. Sorted. You just chanting the same shit over and over. Yeah.

So like... The echel. Because that's that, like, my experience in Nor do Vardians, like, now I'm, fucking what they call level one, that's what science calls level one, which means that I don't have support needs, you know what I mean? So I can blend in and appear normal, you know what I mean? But I... Wow. That's the most autistic shit I've said all night.

They're fucking fucking normal, my whole. But, uh, without the bag, I can do a pretty good job of it for about a half an hour. But like, I don't feel like there's anything wrong with me at all. It's literally I feel like it's society's problem, you know what I mean? My level of neurodivergence that I'm at because I'm very cautious that I can't speak for... Like, I cannot speak for someone who's nonverbal, like it's a whole fucking spectrum, and I want to be so careful about that. But for whatever spectrum I'm on, it's much closer to being gay.

And what I mean by that is... No, but seriously, what I mean by that is... I remember being like 18, 19, right? You go to college and there's gay people there and me being autistic, I walk up to the gay person and said, what's it like being gay? And they'd always answer like, I don't know, I just fancy lads, that's it.

And then I'd go, come on, it has to be more than that. And then they would say, well, I was budded in school. I used to suppress who I was. really terror. I'm a big camp but I used to change my body language so people wouldn't see this about me. I'm scared to walk home at night. I have to pretend to walk in a more masculine way.

I hated myself for a number of years and then it took a while to accept myself. And then what you start to realize is that oh, you're not talking about being gay. You're describing homophobia. None of this has to do with being fucking gay. You're describing how society and other people have made your life miserable.

And that's my experience in neurodivergence. I feel fucking normal as fuck. It's just other people tell me I'm mental all the time, you know, but I'm a very, very happy person. So long as I can keep to myself and have my interests, I'm really, really happy and I love being alive. It's when I'm forced into small talk with strangers all the time and stuff like that, that's when things become difficult, you know what I mean? So that's it. We're a carfew, we're a pair of carfew cunts up here. Can I get in trouble? That's it. I told the Lord, of Brisbane to go fuck himself.

Oh, you know about that, do you? Jesus Christ, I didn't know that the building was owned by him. I was in a building owned by him, and I'm there telling him to go fuck himself and saying free Palestine. And then, oh, there was trouble.

We had to get out of prison quickly. But anyway, look, Tyson, Young-Corpata, thank you so much for a wonderful, magnificent night. There was so much crack. And thank you, Narm. Thank you. Thank you all of you for coming out and having good crack. Dog bless. Go on peace.

All right, I hope you enjoyed that. I absolutely adored it. I can't wait to get back down there. I'll return next week with a hot take. In the meantime, genie flick to a swan. Wink at a warm. Bend to a Kestra. Dog bless.