The Blindboy Podcast - The history of smoking banana peels and the Anarchists Cookbook

Episode Date: July 1, 2026

Ancient persian air conditioning, smoking banana peels and the Anarchist cookbook. Emotionally intelligent learning within a social contect Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Dance aloft, the gammy chandelier, you jangely Anthony's. Welcome to the Blind Boy podcast. We are all currently nestled in the testicles of a greasy heat wave. A fucking record-breaking heat wave. Not just Ireland, not just Limerick, all of Europe. It's the consequences of global warming. It's what we're dealing with. Temperature in Limerick this week was 32 degrees.
Starting point is 00:00:26 Big swinging Mickey. You're thinking. if you live in Australia or if you live in Spain, 32 degrees. That's just a Wednesday here in Spain or in Pardth. But here's the thing, this heat here in Ireland and over in England, it's unprecedented. So we're dealing with this for the first time. In Spain, for instance, where 32 degrees is normal, you've got... You have infrastructure, architecture and culture.
Starting point is 00:00:59 all built around heat. Here in Ireland we have infrastructure, culture and architecture built around the cold and the rain. So when it's hot here in Ireland, it's inescapable. If you stay indoors, it's actually worse because we live in buildings that are designed to keep the heat in. We don't have air conditioning. Nobody has air conditioning. That's not part of our culture. So what's fascinating for me is to watch all.
Starting point is 00:01:29 all the little change is emerge because we're being pushed over at tipping point. There's traffic jams. There's traffic jams and there's long... And as a result then there's long queues for buses. Some people are just getting into their fucking cars because our cars do have air conditioning. Now also you have people travelling. They want to go to a beach, they want to go to a lake, to a river, whatever. Because too the heat is something you cannot escape.
Starting point is 00:01:58 try to move for the sake of it. There's an underlying anxiety there. There's no rest from the heat here, especially at night time. See in Spain, if there's not air conditioning, you've got buildings which are designed to stay cool. You know, shutters on the outside. You've a culture built around staying cool. Society tends to shut down in the middle of the day and people operate in the mornings and the evenings. Here in Ireland we just carry on. We carry on and continue with an ambient hum of, I cannot escape this. Nothing I do will cool me down.
Starting point is 00:02:39 And that tension and that anxiety just causes people to move, to get out of the house, to get into the car. Something I started to notice two, three years ago, as the summers began to get hotter with climate change. Food, ready meals in particular. You got to be on the lookout for food poisoning. I got food poisoning this time last summer from a reheated meal because the amount of time that you can leave food out for
Starting point is 00:03:05 normally in Ireland that safe period that now changes completely and we're not used to that so I don't risk ready meals during the summer I'm very careful another thing I've been noticing it's been taking me longer to buy my lunch I get the same lunch at the same time in the same place every single day that's an artistic thing we tend to ought to I've made tasks that require executive functioning skills, like planning. I mean, for me, how I experienced that is, if I wear the same clothes all the time,
Starting point is 00:03:37 if I eat the same food all the time, if I have the exact same route to get in and out of work every single time, then I can focus on whatever I'm mad curious about. This week I'm thinking about the ancient architecture of Persia. I feel happy when I'm thinking about that. I want to think about that all of the time, and I don't want to distract myself, by needing to plan my lunch. So the procurement of my lunch is an incredibly automated
Starting point is 00:04:03 and predictable experience. So if anything disrupts that, I notice it very quickly. And in the heat wave, I've been noticing it. Like, fucking hell, it's taking me like an extra six minutes to buy my sandwich. What the fuck is going on here? I stopped in the supermarket and looked around.
Starting point is 00:04:22 And there weren't necessarily more people than usual in the supermarket, but what I noticed was a change in people's behaviour. Our supermarkets are not air-conditioned. They're fucking hot. But the freezer section and the fridge section, everything's behind glass doors now to save energy. So every person who's going to buy their pint of milk or their packet of ham,
Starting point is 00:04:46 when they open that glass door and get hit with that wave of cold from the fridge, everyone's kind of basking in it. whether they're aware they're doing it or not everyone is spending that little bit longer choosing their milk I went out for a walk the other evening to escape the fucking heat of my house and when I was walking around a housing estate
Starting point is 00:05:09 I got a glint in my eye a painful glint in my eye as if someone had shined a laser into my eye and it wasn't a fucking laser some of the houses people had put tinfoil up on their windows to reflect the sunlight back.
Starting point is 00:05:26 Our Doomscrow algorithms are full of people coming up with new novel ideas to try and escape the heat. Fill in plastic bottles full of water and freezing them until they're blocks of ice and then putting a fan in front of it. These are all the changes in human behavior that occur
Starting point is 00:05:44 when it just gets two, three degrees hotter than what we're used to. Our mental health worsens. As I mentioned, There's the unnameable hum of not being able to escape something uncomfortable. So that grinds away at you in the background. We're all getting terrible sleep. I was speaking to someone yesterday and they live in an apartment in the city centre
Starting point is 00:06:11 and they're up at the fourth fucking floor. So heat rises to the top. So they're fucking roasting in bed. But if they try to open their window at night time, they can't sleep because of the noise of the noise of the, the city. Domestic violence goes up during heat waves. Violence against women. I'm based on a study that I read called hot weather and violence against women a global scoping review, which identified as global temperatures rise. Things like socio-economic status. So the poorer you are, the less able
Starting point is 00:06:46 you are to cool yourself down. I give an example. I visit a city in Spain called Cardaba. Hot a city in Europe. It would hit about 40 this time of year. I went there for nearly a month in 2017 in August to write my second book. I'd managed to get really nice accommodation there for 15 quid a day. I couldn't understand how it was so cheap. It was so cheap because nobody wanted to be there in the middle of August. It was borderline dangerous to be there in the middle of August. It was too hot. 40, 41 degrees. It was so hot. hot that if I sat down even in the shade at a cafe in the middle of the day, my laptop would just shut off, wouldn't work in the heat. What I also noticed, all the middle class people and wealthy
Starting point is 00:07:36 upper class people are gone. They're not there. They're gone. The luxury shops are empty. The jewelry shops. The expensive restaurants are empty. The people with the money have got a second home near the sea so they get the fuck out of the hot city because they can afford to. And the people who are left to deal with the urban heat, the working class people, the people working in shops, the people working for the council. So access to being able to cool yourself down is a class issue. Even to the point, I can't find the name of the exact scheme, but I knew someone in Spain who would have been, they were low income and they were able to avail of a government scheme that pays or subsidizes lower income people to be able to travel to a cooler part of
Starting point is 00:08:21 Spain during the summer. Alcohol consumption increases during heat waves. The urban heat island effect, patriarchal norms and the irritability of having shit sleep and just being too hot and not being able to escape it. That is resulting in a rise in violence against women and domestic violence. Those are the findings of that study from 2025. And of course the obvious one and this is a headline from today as BBC knows, European heat waves are linked to 1,300 deaths. And the World Health Organization said that. So 1,300 people have died unnecessarily over the past couple of weeks because of the rising
Starting point is 00:09:04 temperatures. So global warming is global. But Europe, Europe is actually heating it twice the speed of everywhere else. And this is how unpredictable ecosystems are. as in something you could not have planned for. One of the reasons that Europe is heating twice as fast as the rest of the world. I frequently speak about Europe, the EU being a place of regulation. Regulations are generally good things because what they do is they place the
Starting point is 00:09:39 safety and well-being of human beings ahead of a corporation's right to profit. So air pollution was a huge thing in the 20th century. So if you're a millennial or older, you'll remember from your childhood, you know, hearing on the news things like acid rain. Like you don't hear about acid rain anymore. The hole in the ozone layer. That was massive when I was a kid. The hole in the ozone layer. And CFCs, remember you'd buy hairspray or deodorant and it would proudly label that it was CFC free.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Or there'd be awareness campaigns about how to dispose of fridges safely because of CFCs. CFCs. It even changed hairstyles. Remember the big giant 1980s, palms? They went out of fashion as soon as hairspray became demonized as a source of CFCs when people became aware that excessive use of hair spray was causing a big giant hole in the ozone layer. And the hole in the ozone layer, it was very real. There was a massive one above Australia and the ozone layer which protects us from UV light but there was loads of people were getting skin cancer
Starting point is 00:10:51 because of the hole in the ozone layer particularly down in Australia smog too was a huge thing you'd think of movies 70s and 80s in particular Los Angeles Los Angeles is always represented with this deep orange haze the most exaggerated example of that would be a film called 187 with Samuel L Jackson
Starting point is 00:11:11 that was smog the airquartered in Los Angeles in the 70s and 80s was so poor that the films had a bit of an orange hue and then they would exaggerate it. Not to unlike London, London at the peak of the Industrial Revolution. You had painters like Turner. Look at Turner's paintings from the 1840s and everything has this yellow glow. He was painting smog, coal pollution.
Starting point is 00:11:37 London up until the 1970s was famous for, I think they called it pea soup. It was a type of smog that was full of sulphur and it was green. You don't really hear about smog anymore. Acid rain. I was really scared of acid rain as a child. It'd be represented in the media as literal rain that would melt your skin and you turn into a skeleton. What it really, what it was, it was pollution from sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, which come from fossil fuels, from coal and from the engines of.
Starting point is 00:12:12 cars was causing rain to become acidic and this was poisoning lakes and destroying ecosystems. So acid rain was a real thing but you don't hear about it anymore. To the point that if you see the arguments of people who deny climate change they will use CFC's acid rain smog as examples of hysteria, they'll say, do you remember when we used to always talk about acid rain now you don't hear it anymore? What happened to the fucking ozone layer? I thought that was going to kill us all. Now you never hear it anymore.
Starting point is 00:12:46 This is all hysteria. The same way that global warming is hysteria now, it's bullshit. You don't hear about smog and acid rain and CFCs and the ozone layer anymore because we did something about it. Europe in particular. The EU brought in regulations and industry to reduce air pollution to get cleaner air. So, in 1988 there was the fucking large combustion plant directive. Unleaded petrol.
Starting point is 00:13:14 You know, the lead was taken out of petrol. Smokless coal. You have to burn... If you are burning coal now, it has to be smokeless coal because of regulation. Catalytic converters. Catalytic converters in cars. It removes from an exhaust, carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons. Those are regulations.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Because of all of that. that's why you don't hear about acid rain that's why you don't hear about the ozone layer it's why you don't hear about smog in Europe that's really good news there the ozone layer is actively repairing itself like wonderful
Starting point is 00:13:52 that gives me a real sense of hope because you can look at legislation and regulations that were brought in that changed the behaviour of industry because industry is the big fucking polluter that's the big one positive things happened as a result of positive actions regarding the environment. Isn't that wonderful?
Starting point is 00:14:11 Our air is not as polluted as it was in the middle of the 20th century. It's a lot cleaner. But here's the fucking sticker. We are now learning about something called the Clean Air Paradox. Turns out all that smog and pollution and smoke and CFCs was reflecting sunlight, back towards the sun. So as the earth was heating from global warming, the greenhouse effect, the pollution was keeping us cool because it was reflecting sunlight back, like those fucking people earlier I mentioned with the tinfoil on their windows. So because Europe in particular was so progressive with clean air policy, now we've got cleaner air and we're heating at twice the speed of everywhere else, because of our fucking clean air, the sunlight is getting through.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Ecosystems are not predictable. What that reminds me of is there's an invasive species of muscle in the River Shannon in Ireland at the moment. So you know mussels, they're like little oysters, shellfish. So there's these freshwater mussels that are invasive. They came in on boats in the 1990s. They're called the zebra muscle.
Starting point is 00:15:32 The zebra mussels are from Eastern Europe so huge rivers near Ukraine or the Danube in Germany right so their indigenous ecosystem are the floodplains of these
Starting point is 00:15:48 giant European rivers very cloudy water water that's disturbed by rainfall upstream so real cloudy sediment rich water so as a result these fucking muscles
Starting point is 00:16:02 they filter the water. They stay in one place and they can filter a huge amount of water and they clean it, which is excellent when they're in Ukraine. Now they're in Ireland and they're in the Shannon and they're replacing our native muscle and they're making the Shannon River less polluted because they're so hungry, they're so excellent at filtering the water that they're making the Shannon River really, really clean. In Ireland our rivers are polluted from fertilizer, runoff. Huge amounts of nitrogen and phosphorus that come from fertilizer and the piss of cows, the piss of cattle is very bad for Irish rivers. So now we've got these zebra mussels who are
Starting point is 00:16:49 invasive, but they're actually doing a, they're inadvertently cleaning the Shannon River and fighting against this fertiliser runoff. Fucking brilliant. Know that they're making the water too clean. Just like the skies over Europe, there's so many zebra mussels and they're doing such a good job at filtering the river that sunlight is reaching parts of the river that it's not supposed to reach. It's also happening in lakes. And now as the sunlight penetrates deeper into the river, it's causing algal bloom, in particular cyanobacteria, which completely poison the rivers. And then the muscles don't want to eat the fucking cyanobacteria.
Starting point is 00:17:34 So they're killing Irish rivers by making them too clean. And it's not something anyone predicted until it fucking happened. So I've been battered with the heat this week. Nighttime is the worst because... You're lying down. You're trying to sleep. You can't escape it. You're tossing and turning.
Starting point is 00:17:52 In an Irish house made of bricks that's designed to trap heat, to keep the heat inside, and the walls act as thermal mass. Like the walls act as a crude radiator, they hold onto that heat. So I've been lying awake, obsessing about ancient Persian architecture. So ancient Persia, let's call it Iran, the area that is now Iran, was Persia incredibly hot, you know, 40 degree desert. And during the Achaemenid Empire, so that's 2,500 years ago.
Starting point is 00:18:32 It's 500 years before fucking the birth of Christ The Parsons had developed air conditioning Very very effective air conditioning No electricity Just using the physics of a building And an understanding of the science of heat So in ancient Persian buildings
Starting point is 00:18:55 They had these things sticking out of the top Going up real tall That look like chimneys But what they actually were is they were called wind catchers. So the ancient Persians understood the physics of hot and cold air. So hot air is less dense. Think of hot air a bit like a helium balloon. The heat excites the molecules of air.
Starting point is 00:19:23 So those molecules move around. Like remember when you were a kid? Remember when you were a little kid and it's really fucking hot outside? So you put your head down to the footpath, to the tarmac. And then when you look at the surface of the footpath, you see the air shimmering. You see a little mirage like water in the distance. What you're seeing there are, it's air being excited by heat. It's that air, getting all fucking jittery and becoming less dense and moving upwards.
Starting point is 00:19:59 hot air rises. Cold air is more dense. That sticks to the ground. I mean, what's an example of that? The freezing cold winter and mist and fog just hovers above the grass. Or if you're near a lake in the morning and it's freezing cold and you just see that layer of fog hover above the meniscus of the lake, that's dense cold air falling. So the ancient Persians understood this. So the big huge chimneys that they had sticking out of their buildings. They weren't lighting fires, it wasn't a chimney. Their big chimney towers were catching cold air up in the sky. And they would catch that air and they would then know because that air is cold,
Starting point is 00:20:45 that's going to fall. So that falls down to the bottom of the building, into the rooms, which then naturally pushes all the hot air out because that rises to the top. No electricity, just an understanding, understanding of the physics of heat and air and how it behaves when it's hot and cold, and they managed to create buildings in the middle of the 40-degree desert that were livable and cool, and then they took it a step farther. They had these things called canats, which were man-made underground canals. You'd have this canal, like a small little stream of water,
Starting point is 00:21:24 moving underneath the house, then the air that's coming in the chimney, coming in the wind catcher, when that goes down and passes over the canal that's passing under the house. Because that air is hotter and drier than the water, it causes a little bit of evaporation to occur on the surface of the water. But evaporation, that uses energy, that uses heat energy from the air. So hot dry air that has to evaporate water loses energy and then naturally cools. So then that cool air is pumped back into the house, not only pushing the hot air out, but now really chilling the fucking house. So they'd created an air conditioner, a fucking air conditioner with no electricity using only physics, 2,500 years ago. Like the Parsons, I think I've done a podcast on this
Starting point is 00:22:19 before about six years ago. The ancient Parsons invented the world's first frozen dessert. Now if I said where did the world's first frozen fucking dessert come from, you're not going to think, oh, the hottest country in the world because where the fuck are they going to get ice? They were able to make ice in the desert. They had these buildings called yakcheice. They were these round clay buildings. They looked a bit like a pointy hat. They'd have one of these canals of water running underneath. Hot air would come in through the roof.
Starting point is 00:22:50 Evaporate the water, lose energy, cool down, and the cycle would go. on and on until eventually ice would form and they were able to manufacture ice in the desert 2,500 years ago using only an understanding of the physics of heat and no electricity. And from that the Persians made the world's first frozen dessert called Faluda, like a type of frozen custard flavored with rose water. But all of that got me thinking that if Europe is to respond to the rising temperatures. We need to start thinking in that way. If the fucking ancient Parisians could do it
Starting point is 00:23:30 2,500 years ago with no electricity, just understanding how heat moves, then why can't we do that in Europe? I don't think everybody getting air conditioners is going to help anything because of the amount of air conditioners use a huge amount of fucking energy. If you've got an air conditioner in your fucking car,
Starting point is 00:23:51 you know this, it eats up the petrol. So all week, I've been doing is trying to think, how can I exploit this physics in my fucking Irish house? So what you're talking about is what's called the stack effect. Think of it this way. It's about density. If you've got a glass of water and you pour oil into that water, the oil is always going to
Starting point is 00:24:15 move to the top. It's searching for buoyancy because the oil is less dense than the water. hot and cool air is the same crack. So during this heat wave, another big reason that sleeping is so difficult is that we sleep upstairs. So all the heat from the day that rises to the top of your house because it's less dense. Your bedroom is a fucking nightmare.
Starting point is 00:24:41 So what I started doing was I'd wait for it to get dark so that it is colder outside. I'd open one window downstairs on the side of the house that wasn't getting the most sun. Then it opened another window upstairs and the side of the house that was getting sun because that would be the hottest side of the house.
Starting point is 00:25:02 And after about five minutes, like here's the thing. It was really fucking dead heat. No wind outside, no movement. That's not made it worse. That there was no wind to cool you down at all. When I strategically opened the windows at opposite sides of my house up and down,
Starting point is 00:25:21 After about five minutes, a localised wind started to develop in my own house and that's when I knew, fuck it, this is working. There was different zones of pressure, you see. As the less dense hot air upstairs exits through the window, that sucks in the cold air from downstairs and then you get a little wind. I got a thermometer. my upstairs bedroom was 27 degrees like fucking unbearable after an hour of that strategic wind opening it had gone from 27 degrees
Starting point is 00:25:57 down to 19 degrees I'd use the stack effect I'd manage to fucking do it that ancient Persian technique now some of you might be thinking he's acting like he invented opening windows he's acting like he invented opening windows I'm aware I'm just opening fucking windows I know I'm doing that
Starting point is 00:26:16 But that's that it's not that deep shit that autistic people hate. It is that fucking deep. If I'm opening windows in my gaff, then there needs to be a conversation about the Achaemenian Empire and the world's first frozen dessert. But I was just really happy that it worked. I was so happy that it worked. And also generating that little wind,
Starting point is 00:26:39 generating the current of wind that I could feel and hear when there's no wind outside. and then seeing the mercury dropping that thermometer. I felt great. Give it a go yourself the next time it's 30 something degrees. If you feel secure enough, you could just leave it all night. What I'd love to try is can you incorporate evaporation into it? The ancient Egyptians used to have devices called a kula.
Starting point is 00:27:06 All this was was a clay pot. And around the clay pot they would wrap wet rags. and they'd place these clay pots surrounded by wet rags anywhere where there was a draft you maximise the surface area that's wet but this might not work in Ireland where we have humidity you see
Starting point is 00:27:27 we're in the middle of the Atlantic and our prevailing wind is incredibly wet full of moisture so it don't think the humid air will cause evaporation but technically if you were to hang a wet towel
Starting point is 00:27:41 a wet tea towel in the downstairs window that's open if the air coming in isn't too humid that will lose energy as it evaporates and dries that towel and then you're bringing in even colder air into the house and I'm going to give that a go
Starting point is 00:27:59 but I don't think it'll work because of Irish humidity do you know who understood these physics actually in their architecture and I would argue that this is technology that we still have in every day use, but we have forgotten what its purpose is. We've forgotten how to use it, even though it's there all around us.
Starting point is 00:28:22 The fucking Victorians and the Georgians. So like Limerick, like we have loads of Georgian architecture. I think we might have the largest unmolested collection of Georgian architecture in Ireland. So in Limerick you're talking O'Connell Street. Loads of Georgian architecture in Dublin. Where'd be the best fucking George? Around Paranel Street, Mount Joyce Square. Loads of it in Manchester.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Loads of it in London. Georgian buildings have got sash windows. These windows are a nightmare in wintertime. Your classic single glazed fucking window with all its individual panels, right? But they don't open out. They have a drawstring. and they open up and down.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Right, so that's a Georgian and a Victorian sash window. Those are actually designed to take advantage of the stack effect, right? So to use one of those windows effectively as an architectural air conditioner, you open it in such a way that there's a little space at the top and a little space at the bottom. And right now, if you're living in one of the cities in Ireland, those are the toughest buildings for people right now. Like in Limerick, that's the cheapest accommodation in the city centre are the old red brick Georgian buildings and they're really fucking hot.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Those windows are intended to be opened with a bit at the top and a bit at the bottom, specifically to exploit the stack effect. The cold air flows in through the bottom part and the hot air flows out through the top part. and that's natural Georgian architectural air conditioning. Some of them even have wood panels so you could just close the wood over the window completely and that was another way that they kept their houses cool. We've forgotten that. I guarantee you there's a lot of people listening to this fucking podcast
Starting point is 00:30:29 and you have those exact old sash windows. They're natural air conditioners. They're trying to exploit the equilibrium of hot and cool air. So I have a story I want to tell you And I don't want to interrupt it So let's have the Ocarina pause now I do have an Ocarina this week
Starting point is 00:30:48 So I'm going to play this Hopefully it won't disturb your dog And you're going to hear an advert for some bullshit That was the Ocarina pause The support for this podcast Comes from you, the listener via the Patreon page Patreon.com
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Starting point is 00:35:11 with producing music, playing with my analog synthesizers. More than a decade ago, I used to be a professional musician. I didn't like the professional side of things because it may... It can... It can put you in a situation where you've...
Starting point is 00:35:25 fall out of love with the creativity because your music has to be popular or else you don't earn a living now I'm back making music for the process for the love of the making I have no intention of doing gigs releasing music
Starting point is 00:35:40 I'll put the odd bit out on Instagram as a video if I like the piece I've been growing potatoes and the recent humidity and the heat I'm actually after getting blight one of my potato plants
Starting point is 00:35:56 has shown signs of potato blight which is to be expected in this fucking weather so what I've managed to do is I've hooked electrodes hooked electrodes up to the potatoes as they're the tubers as they're stuck to this dying plant
Starting point is 00:36:14 I've hooked electrodes up to the potatoes and while the potatoes are still you know joined to their plant then they're alive, they're a living thing. If I pluck them from the roots, then they're dead,
Starting point is 00:36:29 but these are a living thing. They're generating a current, a life force. And I can, that generates a crude electrical signal. I can then translate that electrical signal into midi-data that I can control synthesizers with. So I've been making French house music out of blight-stricken potatoes. I appreciate that that sounds a bit mad
Starting point is 00:36:55 maybe it is a bit mad but it's not harming anyone it's not hurting anyone and the lateral thinking involved in that process brings me wonderful joy I mean if you can make pocheen out of
Starting point is 00:37:10 potatoes why can't you make house music so that's what I've been doing of making house music out of blighty potatoes and I'm hoping to put one of those tracks up on Instagram this week So upcoming gigs, upcoming live podcasts.
Starting point is 00:37:26 This, Sunday the 5th of July, next week. I'm in Sheffield at the Crossed Wires Podcast Festival, down to the last tickets for this gig. If you're on the fence and you can make it, I strongly advise you come to this gig because I'm going to be speaking to Professor Carl Chin, who's someone I've spoken to twice before.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I've only put one of the interviews out. Carl is a fascinating person, a wonderful human being and he's an expert on the history of the English working class. I want to radicalise the people of England. I want to help the people of England to learn about the radical history of the English working class. I'd like the people of England to start viewing themselves as effectively colonised by the Normans.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Your royal family, this paris. this parasitic fucking class of pricks that own a lot of the land that have been there since 1066 that have put great effort into convincing the working class people of England that the poor people from other countries are your fucking enemies
Starting point is 00:38:34 so you need to go to war I'd be chatting with Carl Chin about that type of stuff and I can't wait I can't wait to just to learn from him so come along to that gig in Sheffield then October 26 A lot of these are selling out very quickly now October 26th starting on the 18th
Starting point is 00:38:53 I'm in Brighton and the Brighton Dome Then to Cardiff on the 20th The new theatre Coventry Bristol at Beacon Hall That one's nearly gone Can't wait to get back to Bristol Then Guildford
Starting point is 00:39:06 Bid of Guilford on the 24th of October London sold out Completely sold out in London Glasgow As good as sold out last tickets Gateshead and finally finishing it off in Nottingham
Starting point is 00:39:19 Then April 27 Australia and New Zealand And these gigs are nearly fucking sold out So thank you so much To my listeners down there But I'm going to be starting on the
Starting point is 00:39:33 When am I fucking starting Starting in Auckland On the 9th of April 27 At the Town Hall Melbourne the Palais Theatre Brisbane The Powerhouse Pardth
Starting point is 00:39:45 The Astor theater and Sydney Opera House, Sydney Opera House, which is nearly fuck, Sydney and Melbourne are both nearly sold out. So again, if you're on the fence, if you're thinking that's a year away, get your tickets now or you will be disappointed. England, Scotland, well tickets, fane.com. UK, forward slash the blindby podcast. And then have a crack at my website, theblindbypodcast.com. I hate telling you to go there just in case it crashes when you do. This week's podcast, I'm drifting in. now the themes. I like themes
Starting point is 00:40:18 to emerge as I'm writing this podcast and something that's definitely emerging. My love is science. Thinking about the physics of heat, connecting electrodes to potatoes. I adore and love science because science to me feels like art. It feels like art.
Starting point is 00:40:37 There's such wonderful room for curiosity and playfulness. However, I'm fucking shit at maths. I can barely count so that has always been like Jesus even when I'm describing to you there about the stack effect
Starting point is 00:40:53 and hot air and cold air and densities I can only access these ideas using images and words but I can't express these things through maths same with the electrodes and the potatoes I have to use images and words I would love to be able to approach these
Starting point is 00:41:12 subjects using maths but fucking forget about it. I can't, I struggle to read clocks. And what this is taking me onto is, just thinking about heatwebs when I was a kid, when I was a teenager. I went through all the records of, you know, the highest temperatures in Limerick
Starting point is 00:41:32 when I was a teenager. The year 2000, the hottest it got was 27 degrees. In 2001, 24 degrees. 24 degrees. 24 degrees was the hottest it got in Limerick in 2001. The first time it hit the 30s, 2006 it got the 31 degrees. Then it cooled back down again.
Starting point is 00:41:57 And from 2017 onwards, that's where you start seeing your very evident. Pattern and trend of global warming, that's where it goes 28 and doesn't drop below it. I still have memories of very hot summers. As a teenager, summers where you're going. couldn't move and it was just boring. 2001 for example there are 24 degrees. So that's probably just tomorrow. It was one summer, probably 2001.
Starting point is 00:42:28 I'd have been in school, I was a teenager. And it was so hot. There's no mobile phones. Well, there would have been fucking Nacchia's. No internet. I remember it being very, very hot and very, very boring. And me and my buddy,
Starting point is 00:42:43 I'm gonna call him Christie, even though his name isn't Christy. me and my buddy Christy we're just going what are we going to do what the fuck are we going to do today it's too hot you can't play soccer you can't walk around
Starting point is 00:42:56 it's roasting what the fuck are we going to do with our day we couldn't get drink we couldn't get alcohol because we were under the age of 18 and it was difficult to get alcohol getting hash in those days again you needed to have the money
Starting point is 00:43:10 to do it and it wasn't like now where you've got WhatsApp you needed to know someone who knew someone who could go somewhere to go to a dealer's house to get the hash. So even getting hash back then was very difficult. So I said, why don't we smoke banana pills? Let's smoke banana pills, Christy. Because I heard that they're like LSD.
Starting point is 00:43:33 That was a bit of an urban rumour back then, that banana pills, when prepared in the right way, could be smoked and could provide psychedelic effects. And there was always someone you knew who said, I tried it and I tripped balls. The reason I became convinced that smoking banana pills was psychedelic was because... One of my favorite albums, The Prodigy Experience. You know, these were the before times, no internet.
Starting point is 00:44:02 So if you owned an album that you enjoyed, this was a religious artifact, a fucking religious artifact. And my copy of the Prodigy Experience on tape was a religious artifact. and I would listen to that album and just stare at the liner notes of that tape and that's what you had to do and just imagine things. I knew every single word on those liner notes.
Starting point is 00:44:28 On the back of that tape there was a photograph of the four lads in the Prodigy and Leroy, the Prodigy member, he was smoking something that looked a bit like a joint and then it had a quote from him and the quote from Leroy was and I can remember this exactly
Starting point is 00:44:45 respect to everyone I have met you're welcome round to smoke some banana skins any time so that was it for me if the prodigy are smoking banana skins and they're making this astounding incredible psychedelic rave music then of course
Starting point is 00:45:01 you can smoke banana skins and get high the prodigy are saying it now I'd gotten that album in the early 90s so I'd been reading it since I was a child and I've been thinking fucking banana skins. How am I going to smoke banana skins? But I didn't know how. But it was around 2000.
Starting point is 00:45:20 So I didn't have access to the internet in 2000. So how it worked back then was there was somebody in school and that person in school, they had the internet. And sometimes they download things from the internet, put them onto floppy disks. And you could buy them. You could buy them off your friend who had internet access.
Starting point is 00:45:41 So there was one thing I really wanted to get my hands on. It was called The Anarchist Cookbook. It was a book about how to make bombs, how to make bombs from household objects. It was a legendary book. But also it was the book that contained the recipe of how to make drugs out of banana skins. And the Anarchist Cookbook used to pass her own schools on floppy disk and I wanted, because I did have a PC at home. it just didn't have the internet.
Starting point is 00:46:12 I wanted this fucking anarchist cookbook. So I went to my buddy in school and was like, look, can you give it to me? Give it to me on a floppy disc. I would have said to him on a Friday and he goes, yeah, no worries. I'll have that disc for you on Monday and I probably gave him a fiver or something like that.
Starting point is 00:46:29 So on Monday he comes to me with the floppy disc and says, there you go. The anarchist cookbook is on that and I threw some other shit on it as well just to fill up the space. So on Monday I got the floppy went home from school, shoved it into the computer, and there was two things on it. One of these things changed my life forever.
Starting point is 00:46:50 It wasn't the anarchist cookbook. It was a copy of a piece of software called Frooty Loops. Frooty Loops too, I think it was. Piece of software that allowed you to record music on your computer at home. I'm recording this podcast right now on Frooty Loops. Back then it was version 2 Now I'm up at version 26 And it's called FL Studio
Starting point is 00:47:15 But that's what I'm recording this podcast on That's what I got a music career out of That software showed me How to become a music producer I don't know what the fuck I'd be doing With my life If I wasn't given that floppy disc Because I wasn't looking
Starting point is 00:47:33 For Fruity Loops I didn't even know what it was I didn't know you could make music on a computer. This was just an accident and I opened it and messed with it and fucking loved it and learned how to become a music producer from that. But the other thing I adored
Starting point is 00:47:51 was the anarchist cookbook. This illegal manual of how to make explosives from bleach or fill a tennis ball full of matchheads and make a crude grenade or dissolve styrofoam into petrol and make napalm I didn't have a desert to destroy anything
Starting point is 00:48:10 it wasn't a violence thing I just I loved having this thing that was so bold that was so wrong that was so forbidden this forbidden knowledge I used to just adore and read it voraciously but this one summer
Starting point is 00:48:29 think 2001 fucking heatwave that's when I said to my buddy Christy Let's do the banana peels, man Let's do the fucking banana pills I've got the recipe On a floppy disc On the anarchist cookbook Let's fucking do it
Starting point is 00:48:44 I'll make it tonight And we'll smoke it tomorrow So I went to the shop And bought two or three bunches of bananas I made less than the recipe The recipe called for 15 pounds of bananas Which is quite a lot
Starting point is 00:48:58 I went for three bunches I had the problem Of what the fuck am I going to do with all these bananas because it was the skins I was after. There was a dog that I was friends with. I mentioned this dog, a podcast about four years ago. His name was Jeff. And Jeff was the dog.
Starting point is 00:49:17 He was just consistently, he had an erection all the time. And he had this weird, we'd call it Jeff is taking out the lipstick. He had this weird dog penis that used to drip all the time. and there was something up, but there was something wrong with Jeff but you know when you're that age and a dog is just your friend you know he's just your friend
Starting point is 00:49:42 it wasn't even my dog, it was one of the neighbours' dogs used to follow me around everywhere dripping penis but he was my friend he was half dashed what, no, what are the ones with the fucking, um, the dots Dalmatian, half Dalmatian
Starting point is 00:49:59 half pointer weird fucking dog all was on a horn but would eat everything and anything you give him would just eat it so I gave Jeff
Starting point is 00:50:11 three bunches of bananas which was about 24 bananas but 24 25 bananas I peeled them all and Jeff ate 25 bananas and then probably went and vomited it somewhere
Starting point is 00:50:25 now I had 25 banana skins and the recipe called for me getting a knife and then scraping getting those banana pills and then scraping off all the white shit
Starting point is 00:50:38 so I scraped all that into a fucking bowl I don't know what my man thought of it I think she'd given up at that point scraped all the banana the white bits on the inside of the banana peel into a bowl
Starting point is 00:50:50 about slightly larger than my fist I spread all that onto grease-proof paper into the oven for like two hours until your left left with like a crinkly black substance. Like a sheet of paper if you burnt it.
Starting point is 00:51:12 Real fine crinkly black shit. Then I put that into a bowl and I ground it down into a powder using a fork and put it into a plastic baggie. This was the anarchist cookbook recipe and this substance now was called banana dine and it was as strong as LSD. And what you do with the banana dean is like you're rolling a joint, get your tobacco, and you sprinkle this banana skin dust into the joint, you roll it, you smoke it, and you have a very powerful psychedelic experience.
Starting point is 00:51:48 So I meet Christy the next day we sit down, fucking roast and heat. We're not going to move for the day. And then we decide, okay, let's do it, let's fucking do it. We're both kind of anxious. We're scared. We're like, shit, what if we trip balls and we don't come back? What if we have a bad trip? But we do it anyway, we roll the joint, and we smoke it.
Starting point is 00:52:14 And then, both of us kind of start to convince each other that we're feeling something. I remember us putting our hands in front of our eyes, as if we could see trails. But really, we're getting nothing. Then Jeff the dog comes over and sits beside us, with his weeping. dog penis and Christy starts entering a trance like state
Starting point is 00:52:40 and closes his eyes like his unconscious and he's obviously tripping like mad now off these fucking banana skins and I'm looking at him going fuck I'm not getting anything off this but maybe
Starting point is 00:52:54 maybe he's getting something and this is what's about to happen to me I start shaking him and I get nothing out of him and I'm kind of freak out a bit. Fuck it. Is Christy gone unconscious? What if he has a fit? Then Jeff the dog comes over and then he starts licking Christy's
Starting point is 00:53:12 hand. Christy's not budging. Jeff does that jumpy barky thing that dogs do when you play dead around them. And then whatever fucking manoeuvre he did, Jeff now starts trying to have sex with Christy's head. Lipstick out. Immediately Christy jolts up. Jolts up because now he knows Jeff is trying to have sex with his fucking head. The only thing is
Starting point is 00:53:37 that it smells like fish. Christy's awake now. He's not stoned anymore. Jeff, the dog, trying to have sex with his head, had woken him up rapidly, and that just killed the buzz. And then both of us got on with our day and realized this banana shit is this is bullshit. I must have made it wrong.
Starting point is 00:54:00 I made it wrong, but this didn't work. This gave us fucking nothing. And Christie too had been exposed. He'd been exposed. by pretending. You see, in those days, something that could bring great teenage shame upon you. It was the lads who would pretend that they were stoned or worse.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Now I look back in it now with a lot more compassion. But we used to go bush drinking, where you'd drink in a hedge or on a roundabout or whatever. And there was always somebody who was scared, scared of getting drunk. So what they would do, or they'd be scared of going home drunk and getting in trouble because we're like 14, 15. One lad would always disappear off and pour his can out and then come back pretending to be drunk.
Starting point is 00:54:43 And if you caught doing that, there was great shame. And Christie had clearly pretended to be tripping balls from the banana skins and then got exposed by Jeff when he tried to have sex with his head. Now if any of you are supreme 10-foot declines and are familiar with my prank phone call work from the early fucking 2000s. If any of this is ringing a bell Yes, I had a prank phone call from about 2004 where I rang up a psychotherapist
Starting point is 00:55:12 and claimed that a dog had sex with my head and the dog got my mind pregnant with the notion of horses So that prank phone call was directly inspired by That real incident With me and Christy smoking banana pills And Jeff the dog trying to have sex with his head So it turns out the banana peel stuff was bullshit What got me thinking about it this week
Starting point is 00:55:34 was the hot weather. Something about the angle of the sun or a smell in the air or whatever or this, I think it was the smell of really, really dry cut grass. It brought back that memory of fuck it, you remember 2001 that summer you tried to smoke the banana pills?
Starting point is 00:55:52 Oh, fuck yeah. And then of course I started thinking fuck it, I must look into that. You know, that was a big thing. Smoking banana pills was an urban legend. It was there in the Anarchist Cookbook and it was on the back of that Prodigy album and everyone in school knew about it too and everyone's older brother knew about it.
Starting point is 00:56:13 Smoking banana pills was a thing before the internet. It was one of these urban legends that survived like Prince removing a rib to suck his own dick. It was one of those things that just survived in oral culture because the internet wasn't around to say that this is false. So where... Where the origin of bananas, banana peels are psychedelic drugs, it comes from 1968 I found out. It was a deliberate hoax.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Without getting into too much detail. Late 60s in America, you've got your counterculture movement, your hippies, your summer of love. But it wasn't all taking acid and smoking hash and having sex and listening to Jimmy Hendrix. There was also hardcore politics behind it, in particular the anti-Vietnam war movement. Young kids in America were being drafted to fight in Vietnam, and there were huge protests to go, no, I don't want to do this. And these kids were radicals. And before the internet, they would get their information out there.
Starting point is 00:57:26 You had the Black Panthers as well, the Black Panther Party. Huge protests. A generation of young people born after World War II. too. We're going, no, we want something different. Before the internet they would get their information out there amongst each other via the underground press. They would print independent papers and magazines and pass these things around via word of mouth.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Around 1968, 69, the police and the FBI started to crack down on this behaviour because it was leaning towards socialism, communism, unions. was leading towards black American people and white American people gaining class consciousness and realizing, well, on a second, there's a system here in place and we should fight this system. So it became difficult for the police and the FBI. You can't arrest people for protesting. They would try and there was, oh, I think it was Chicago, 1968, where some students were shot, shot dead. apologies if I'm wrong on that
Starting point is 00:58:31 but when the police would crack down on students and there was violence this was bad PR so the police are thinking how do we crack down on these middle class white students how do we get them
Starting point is 00:58:46 and the police start to notice oh fuck it they're all smoking weed now cannabis was illegal cannabis had been illegal in America I think it was from the 40s onwards But it was around the hippie movement, the anti-Vietnam War movement, when the police then started to enforce and arrest people for cannabis.
Starting point is 00:59:09 They started to realize, can't arrest these fuckers for protesting, but they're all smoking weed, we can arrest them for that. And that'll put the shits up them. So when the police started to arrest more and more students for smoking joints, arresting hippies for smoking weed and possession, and giving him jail sentences. That's also where you get your roots of the legalized cannabis movement in the late 60s. There was one underground paper called the Berkeley Barb.
Starting point is 00:59:38 This was 1970, I think it was. Actually, in 1970 was when the US it made cannabis a Schedule 1 drug, which made it very, very illegal, up there with heroin. So if you're a middle class white student, and your parents have a few quid and now you get caught with a joint, now your life from here on in is quite difficult because you've been caught with a Schedule 1 drug. So the cannabis legalisation movement starts
Starting point is 01:00:05 and people are thinking this is ridiculous. Cannabis is just a plant. It's a plant that grows in the fucking ground. I can grow it out my back garden. So if you're telling me if I dry this and smoke, this plant that just grows everywhere, I'm a criminal, that this will impact my employment prospects in the future
Starting point is 01:00:23 that I might go to jail. So the Berkeley Barb decided Let's put out a fake story Also there was a song in the charts I think it was 67 You'd know the song Mellow Yellow by Donovan
Starting point is 01:00:36 They call me me Mellow Yellow You'd know it That song came out And the editor of the Berkeley Barb This Undergrown newspaper decided Let's put out a recipe And tell everybody That you can dry banana pills
Starting point is 01:00:52 And smoke them and it's like LSD. Let's put out this fake story and say that everyone is doing this. And the whole point of the hoax is they were trying to bait the police into making bananas illegal. If they could convince enough people
Starting point is 01:01:08 to start trying to smoke bananas, then the police would start arresting people for trying to do it, and then they'd start confiscating bananas. And if the police start confiscating bananas, then that exposes the absurdity of cannabis being illegal. So that's the roots of where that story came from.
Starting point is 01:01:26 1968, the Barclay Barb. This is what takes me onto the anarchist cookbook, which was written in 1970. So the recipe for banana pills from that underground newspaper, which should have disappeared, that ended up in the anarchist cookbook, and that's what solidified it in history. That's why it didn't go away,
Starting point is 01:01:49 because now it was in the anarchist cookbook. The anarchist cookbook was a, a manual for radicals in the United States on how to wage war on the government. It was a recipe book of how to make weapons and bombs from everyday household items so that you could farm domestic terrorism basically against the US government. It was written in 1970 by a 19-year-old called William Powell, a very angry student, a very angry, anti-Vietnam War protester who had a look around and said, this is what needs to happen. We need revolution and it's going to need to be violent. So I'm going to write the manual.
Starting point is 01:02:34 And this manual became the anarchist cookbook. Now where did a 19 year old student, where did he get the information and how to make bombs, how to make, like sabotage equipment, booby traps, weapons, where did he get this information? He just went to the library, and read all the freely available US military training manuals. You can get all these online now. US military training manuals had information about how to make fucking bombs. William Powell re-contextualized this freely available information and put it in his manual called the Anarchist Cookbook.
Starting point is 01:03:13 He changed the context of information that's already out there. Even though to this day the Anarchist Cookbook is not illegal, It's out there, it's published, you can own a copy of it. But if you look at its history, in America if you commit a crime and the police find you to have a copy of this anarchist cookbook, the crime could be selling drugs, but if you have a copy of the anarchist cookbook, that crime can suddenly change to domestic terrorism. So again, depending on the context, it's a very serious book to own. I have a copy of it. I don't gig America I don't gig fucking America
Starting point is 01:03:55 because I'm not risking that The main reason is I've mentioned it before In 2019 I made a BBC series And A team of me and a team of journalists We made a replica of
Starting point is 01:04:08 Trump's piss tape And uploaded it to the dark web This was all done through BBC Cleared with lawyers All that shit We uploaded it to the dark web And it was taken down By definitely the CIA
Starting point is 01:04:20 so I'm on a list so that's why I won't go to America but throughout the years the anarchist cookbook became this legendary manual this hidden knowledge this forbidden book now on the one hand
Starting point is 01:04:33 a lot of American school shooters had copies of this book most people who had it just had it like me just had it for curiosity someone tells you you can't own a book you want to fucking own it you want to find out what's inside I mean it's highly relevant this week
Starting point is 01:04:49 in Texas this week there were protesters who were protesting against ice they were given massive sentences and they were sentenced as domestic terrorists as part of Donald Trump's crackdown on calling Antifa he has decided that Antifa
Starting point is 01:05:10 which doesn't exist like it's not an organization that you join up Trump has decided that Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization and there was eight people in Texas sentenced between 30 and 100 years, 100 years in prison this week. For ICE protesters, did they kill anyone? Were they violent? No, they were made an example of and tried as domestic terrorists.
Starting point is 01:05:35 A huge part of the evidence, quote-unquote, that was brought against them to prove that they were a terrorist organization is that they'd been printing zines, they'd been printing leftist zines. some of these were just were manuals about sexual consent another one was a zine about the history of witches but anyway eight young people in Texas were sentenced from between 30 and 100 years this week in a huge miscarry
Starting point is 01:06:04 in fucking fascism all right this is American fascism this is what it looks like that's what that is the shit the people in the 60s were warning about but none of them had any manuals that were as explicit as something like the anarchist cookbook. But when I went looking into William Powell who wrote the book,
Starting point is 01:06:20 some fascinating things started to emerge. And it started to explain my love and fascination with the book when I was a teenager. William Powell went on to become a teacher. He deeply regretted writing the book when he was 19 because of,
Starting point is 01:06:38 because it was being found amongst school shooters and things like that. He died in 2017, in 2013 he wrote to the Guardian and basically said Look I regret writing this book I'm not the publisher I don't have a choice in saying that it should be unpublished
Starting point is 01:06:56 It's out of my hands He said over the years I've come to understand That the basic premise behind the book is profoundly flawed The anger that motivated the writing of the cookbook Blinded me to the illogical notion That violence can be used to prevent violence I had fallen for the same irrational pattern of thought that led the US military involvement in Vietnam and Iraq.
Starting point is 01:07:17 The irony is not lost on me. Then it emerges that William Powell ended up, he ended up founding international schools that specialised in delivering education to children with dyslexia, ADHD and autism. The other book he published was published in 2010. It was about emotional intelligence for teachers. So this lad ended up
Starting point is 01:07:46 becoming an expert in education for the neurodivergent kids that hit me like a ton of bricks Why when I was 12, 13, 14 Why was I obsessed with this manual of how to make bombs out of household items
Starting point is 01:08:07 Why did I love reading this and I guarantee it too because I have a lot of noradivergent listeners If you're around the same age as me, ye probably had a copy of the anarchist cookbook too. Now, did I make any of the stuff in this cookbook? I had a crack at one or two things. Tried to make explosives out of bleach.
Starting point is 01:08:29 I had to go at the napalm from the styrofoam. But 99% of the time, I just loved reading it. I loved getting home from school and reading this book that was forbidden. The important distinction is I had no badness in my soul I didn't want to
Starting point is 01:08:48 harm anybody I didn't want to destroy property I didn't want to bring sadness upon anybody I didn't want to interrupt anyone's day I wasn't angry like that at all I was curious
Starting point is 01:09:04 but why is my curiosity why bomb making why is that my curiosity what the fuck is that about I'm clearly a person who has a capacity to learn I'm fascinated by information I'm good at retaining information I'm good at understanding information and explaining it
Starting point is 01:09:22 I was always that way I was that way in school and I was the worst student in school failing fucking everything by the time I was about 10 I was just written off the worst
Starting point is 01:09:39 and cast to the same in the system. Where does curiosity and ambition and drive and intense focus go when you're that kid? Well I'd decided at about the age of 11 or 12. Well I can't do this fucking school shit. I know I'm supposed to be learning science, I'm supposed to be learning geography, but I can't pay attention. I can't do this. I now know. It's impossible for me to learn in a classroom environment. It's my nervous system just will not allow it. Like I can't learn from a teacher, a human being telling me information with their face
Starting point is 01:10:20 because I'm autistic, so much of the effort goes into, I'm talking to a human being. And this bit is really fucking difficult and I'm worrying about my body language and sitting still and reading their body language. So that information, that's not fucking going in. And I'm completely and utterly overstimulated by the fact that I'm in a classroom with so many human beings.
Starting point is 01:10:43 So there's no learning happening here. My curiosity and passion had to be something I compartmentalized and did by myself at home on my own where I could learn autodidactically. But because I was a child, my identity, I identified with being bad. I can't be good. I can't behave myself. I can't get good marks in school no matter how much I try. The teachers keep calling me stupid, keep calling me bad.
Starting point is 01:11:13 So, at the level of maturity I had at that time I had to identify with being bad. My self-esteem and worth came from being the baddest. Being the most disruptive, the craziest, the one who's capable of anything. That... I got status from that amongst my peers. The whispers. Oh, he's a mad fucking cunt. He knows how to make bombs.
Starting point is 01:11:39 He knows how to grow. Gosh, he's a lunatic, he's like a mad scientist. That gave me status and self-esteem and identity and a feeling of worth, being the baddest. The Anarchus Cupbook is a, it's a science manual, a very fucking crude. Deeply wrong science manual. But it's full of information about chemistry. I remember reading about how to make the explosive from bleach and potassium hypochloride and potassium hypochlorate. It felt safe to explore my passion and curiosity and desire to learn about science.
Starting point is 01:12:17 It felt safe to do this in a space which aligned with my sense of identity. Why couldn't he just picked up your biology book? Why couldn't he just... Your biology book was full of fucking science experiments. Loads of them. I can't do that. Then I'd be a fucking nerd. I'm... I'm bad.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I don't give a fuck about that. What, the teachers are telling me to read? Fuck them. Not reading the science book like I'm supposed to read. Fuck that. I want to read this book, this forbidden book, about making bombs, even though it's all just chemistry.
Starting point is 01:12:51 My other book was the Marijuana Growers Guide, which was, again, a book from the 1960s. It was from California. Ed Rosenthal, I think, was the writer. He was one of these 60s hippies, and he had written the manual on how to grow cannabis. But this manual, it's a serious botany manuscript. and I fucking devoured it.
Starting point is 01:13:13 I felt safe when I read it. I felt happy. I felt regulated. I mean, what am I doing? I'm reading a manual about fucking botany, about how plants worked, about geotropism, phototropism, sunlight, photosynthesis.
Starting point is 01:13:27 That's what the fuck I'm reading. But when the book is about growing cannabis and I'm 14, it feels safe because it aligns with my identity of being a misfit and being the book. baddest and being a little criminal. I think I told you the story before but I ended up, I sat, it was during my junior cert, I sat the agricultural science paper, which was not taught in my school. And I sat that paper and I got 100%. And when I did that, I got called to the principal's office.
Starting point is 01:14:02 Because they're like, what the fuck? How did you get 100% in a subject we don't even teach? My parents got called in. I was accused of cheating because they're just like, we don't know how he did it but he cheated here and I couldn't tell him. Actually, it's this book here,
Starting point is 01:14:17 the Marijuana Growers Guide. I know bookloads about botany and plants and plant science because of this book but I can't tell you because now I'm admitting to doing something illegal
Starting point is 01:14:29 and reading about William Powell reading about the fella who wrote the Anarchist Cup book and then seeing where his career went it just opened up a lot for me this week. Another quote from his article in The Guardian that he sent them in 2013 trying to distance himself from the anarchist cookbook.
Starting point is 01:14:48 He says, two years ago I co-authored the book entitled Becoming an Emotionally Intelligent Teacher. Although it's written for educators, the book serves as an implicit refutation of the emotional immaturity of the anarchist cookbook. But the premise is that all learning takes place
Starting point is 01:15:05 in a social context and that the teachers with a high degree of emotional intelligence construct relationships with students that enhance learning. That's what I was doing.
Starting point is 01:15:18 I was learning. I was being curious. I was learning about fucking science but that the social context for me as an autistic kid was very different. I had identified with being bad. So my learning and curiosity
Starting point is 01:15:32 and ambition had to express itself within that context because that's what felt safe to my identity. Reading a school, I would have been embarrassed. Honest to fuck, to pick up my... I still have my leave-insert English book.
Starting point is 01:15:51 At the age that I am now, as a published writer and as someone who's... My story's being turned into plays for the Abbey Theatre. I look at my leave-insert English book and the wonderful poems that are in there and the amazing short stories that are in there. And I go, oh my God, I can't believe.
Starting point is 01:16:10 I was in school and had the opportunity to learn this shit. You mean, I could have been 16, and I had the opportunity here to be reading Oscar Wilde? At 16? I couldn't do it. I'd have been embarrassed, mortified. My identity, it was too far gone, I had identified with being bad.
Starting point is 01:16:30 So to read the school textbook, I would have felt shame. I would have felt like a nerd. So my passion for learning went into the chemistry of how to make bombs, botany, growing cannabis, and even for music, it was, you know, my creativity and writing went into prank phone calls
Starting point is 01:16:52 when I was in 50th year, which was illegal. It was illegal to record phone calls and producing songs about sniffing glue. I'm doing this, I suppose, for... Like, I had personal insight. I didn't know that about the fellow who wrote the fucking anarchist cookbook. I didn't know that he ended up being an educator specifically for neurodivergent kids using emotional intelligence to try and understand what is the social context for learning
Starting point is 01:17:24 for this particular individual. Like another time I'd really apply myself in school. I used to get detention an awful lot. I'd be in detention every week. used to have to come into school on a fucking Saturday in your school uniform which I used to wear like a badge of honour I used to walk around Limerick City
Starting point is 01:17:43 in my school uniform on a Saturday because that meant he's got detention what a rebel but when you had detention one of the cruel things about it was you weren't allowed to do schoolwork so you couldn't use detention as an opportunity which is really fucking shit couldn't use detention as an opportunity
Starting point is 01:18:01 to do the homework you were supposed to do Instead in detention you had to write punishment essays and the big punishment essay. And this shows you how the lack of emotional intelligence within the school system that I grew up in, the punishment essay that we were given was, write a thousand words about the inside of a tennis ball. This was considered a pointless task. Like a Sisyphus type of fucking thing. punish a student by saying to them, you have to write about the inside of a tennis ball. That's not punishment if you're creative.
Starting point is 01:18:40 It's the greatest thing you could possibly be asked. It's limitless. So every week I would write a new essay about the inside of a fucking tennis ball. I used to love it. And I got to be a little nerd. I got to explore my... My capacity and talent to be a creative writer. Because the context was, this isn't schoolwork.
Starting point is 01:19:01 This is punishment. So write your thousand words and enjoy it. You're still being bad. You're still disruptive. It's a punishment essay. And I used to adore it. And there was one teacher. And I used to love it when this teacher was supervising a detention.
Starting point is 01:19:20 His name was Mr Crow. I've mentioned him before. He was an English teacher. And he used to love my essays about the insides of tennis balls. He used to read them out loud. used to read them out loud to students in other classes and I remember one time
Starting point is 01:19:37 it got back to me he was teaching one of the the A classes so the A classes were they were the best students because in those days in the 2000s the late 90s
Starting point is 01:19:50 very stratified I don't think to do this shit anymore but the best students were up in the A class I wasn't I was down in the lowest of the B classes class of about 13 kids all
Starting point is 01:20:02 nor a divergent dyslexic kids from troubled backgrounds kids experiencing abuse or poverty the unteachables but anyway he was teaching one of these A classes and I think the students in there were talking shit about me
Starting point is 01:20:17 whatever they were saying about me was quite negative and he heard this and he turned to those students and he said do you realise that that young fella has got the best command of English in this school and everyone went quiet and that got back to me, that story got back to me
Starting point is 01:20:34 by a buddy of mine who was in the class and when I heard it I remember crying I didn't know what, I was, I cried because it was the first time I had ever felt safe, being fucking praised for schoolwork even though it was punishment essays I felt
Starting point is 01:20:49 I felt safe being praised for being seen as smart I don't think there's any 13 year olds or 14 year olds listening to this podcast but there's definitely teachers listening. I know there's teachers listening to podcast are parents who have teenagers that were like me and I suppose you to use what William Powell said there the premise is that all learning takes place in a
Starting point is 01:21:16 social context so find out what that context is curiosity is curiosity passion like I've now grown up to be a middle-aged man who I open a window in my house and it becomes about ancient Persia or I'm growing potatoes and now trying to make house music out of him. I'm still doing the anarchist cookbook, except now I've made a career out of it. That's all I have time for this week. This podcast was half hot dig, half phone call,
Starting point is 01:21:43 drifting in between the two positions. Rub a dog. Wink at a swan. Jen, you fleck to a rain. I'll catch you next week. Dog bless.

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