The Blindboy Podcast - The Old Testament and Simulation Theory

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

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Welcome to the Blind Boy podcast, you glorious cunts. If this is your first episode, consider going back to an earlier podcast. to familiarise yourself with the lore of this podcast. Last week's episode was entirely about the... The philosophy and literature of bard shit. The bird shit saga has unfolded further. I promise you, I'm not going to speak about bird shit too much on this week's podcast, but there are. There's very pertinent bird shit information.

There's been a bird shit escalation that I need to impart this knowledge on you. So first and foremost, Limerick City Council posted a video in response to last week's podcast. They posted a video live from the Bardshit District to prove to everybody that they're cleaning the Bardshit District. There was a passive aggressive jab at me.

There was... That one of the... The head of Limerick, I'd know who to fuck. was the head of limerick council said we're addressing the barge let's let's just find the fucking video hold on i'll play it for you hon they've fucking they've pinned it to the front of their instagram it's a pinned video on their instagram hold on you hear this hold on so this this is a video of limerick city council posted in response to this podcast to prove to everyone that they're washing the barred shit off the barred shit district it down on and it's a popular location uh we have to clean it now

every day we sweep it and we wash it to remove the bar dropings. Right, so that's a fella who works with the council. The sound in the background is that the washing of the bard did recorded some poor cunt washing all the bird shit off with a power washer and then And we're in discussion

with people who know about these things, what is the best question of us? People who know about these things. We've got on the phone now Blind Boy Boat Club. Blind Boy! Very pointed words there from Limerick City Council. It's a quote.

We're speaking to people who know about these things. Do you reckon that's a passive-aggressive joy by yourself? Is he suggesting that you don't know about these things, Blind Boy? Well, the thing is, I don't. I don't know about these things. I'm not a fucking ornithologist, nor am I a bird shit expert, whatever you'd call that. I'm an artist and I'm a writer.

And... This bird shit district saga is turned, into a piece of public performance art via the media and it's been reported about in the newspaper mainly because of tourism there's people who listen to this podcast from different parts of the world who are actually visiting Limerick to see the Bardshit district. Nospapers are reporting on it and the circus of that is cause an embarrassment for Limerick City Council because you want people visiting Limerick City for our wonderful restaurants or medieval history, not

for an abundance of barred shit. And also I have to point out in Limerick City Council's video, in the video they posted, the video about out there washing the barred shit off because it's so slippy. In that video

in the background, someone slips on barred shit and they left it in. Which is beautiful. That's just absolutely gorgeous. I'm not an expert. I'm interested in the poetry of the bird shit. That's what I'm interested in.

But if that, if that and the circus of that causes Limerick City Council to then speak to experts who might possibly receive funding to work towards a solution that's in the interest of biodiversity, that would be amazing, that would be beautiful. That's the power of art, the power of writing, the power of spectacle.

and then a newspaper asked me for commentary and they were asking specifically tell us about when you almost slipped off your bicycle because there was so much bird shit on the street no I was terrified of that because I'm thinking right they're going to go with that angle they're going to go with the personal injury angle because that's the sexiest angle

that's the one that's going to cause a clickable headline or arguments in the comments the personal injury headline so I'm like fuck okay how do I describe falling off my bicycle to a newspaper in such a way

that my words cannot be re-contextualized as a thesis statement and used as a clickbait headline so what I said was the rotational traction of my bicycle wheel was abruptly compromised by a prodigious laminar of bird shit which functioned as a low friction interface posited atop the pavement

substratum. I was then introduced to a curtailment of lateral stability, followed by a dramatic translation of my own centre of mass. I briefly entered a microgravity event. So I answered the question. I slipped on bargeet on my bicycle and nearly fell

off. But you can't turn any of that into a headline because it's too strange. So for this week's podcast I want to speak about the Old Testament. I don't give a fuck about religion. I'm not particularly interested in religion.

I am interested in mythology, I'm interested in storytelling. And I'm fascinated with the Old Testament for the Bible because, look, I was raised. I was raised with a Catholic education. Religion was something that was done to me. In Ireland when I was growing up things have changed now but you couldn't get into school

unless you were fucking baptised so then when you went to school the school was ran by the Catholic Church my first ever teachers were nuns and from about four years of age like my dad was a communist

I didn't have religion in my house I mean my ma my ma would occasionally say prayers or mention saints but she didn't take any of it seriously and my ma's I wouldn't consider my ma to be religious she has that

that mad pagan Irish shit my ma will pray to St Anthony when things are lost or my favourite one with my mother and I love this I mentioned this before you know that one of my favourite writers

is Flann O'Brien an Irish writer deeply surreal writer who helped me to find my artistic voice and if I ever get writers block or if I ever forget

what it is I love about writing and creating art I just crack open some Flan O'Brien like a book like the third policeman and I'll read that and that'll remind me what I love about art, what I love about the potential of writing and what it can do.

But also, Ireland is a small place. So it just so happens that when I was a kid, when I was a time, a little baby, when I was a baby, my family doctor just happened to be Flann O'Brien's brother, who lived in Limerick. And my man knew him very well. My man knew Flan O'Brien's brother very well because he was our family doctor for fucking years.

So my ma frequently will ask the ghost of Flann O'Brien to give me inspiration. If my ma knows that I'm about to write a book, if I've got a TV series coming up, anything that requires me to have ideas and creativity, my ma will, like my ma's biggest fear is that I'll run out of ideas. each week she'll freak out and go what if you can't think of something for next week's podcast

what if you run out of ideas as if my ideas are this dwindling resource and I say to it where that's impossible that's like saying to me what if you run out of dreams I'm never going to run out of dreams you can't run out of dreams dreams are the tangible bubbles

of my unconscious mind my unconscious mind that's forever swirling. Dreams are when that swirl bubbles up in imagery and language, so it'll never disappear and creativity and ideas is the exact same. Ideas and inspiration, they both come from the unconscious mind. But regardless, my ma keeps saying prayers. Saying prayers in the hopes that Flan O'Brien

in the other world keeps filling up, filling up my repository of ideas, my finite repository of ideas, say prayers and ask for me to be inspired. And she'll tell me about this. And I don't believe it, but it doesn't matter, because to me it's, isn't it nice that my ma is saying prayers so that I'll be artistically inspired? That's the meaning that I take from that. There's nothing to do with anything supernatural. Isn't it nice that my ma says prayers for this? But here's the mad part. When she says prayers for inspiration, she doesn't pray directly to Flan O'Brien, who's dead. Instead, she prays to his brother who's dead because she knew him in real life.

So she praised to Flan O'Brien's brother, our old family doctor, up in heaven, to ask his brother, Flan O'Brien, to give me inspiration. and I'm like well mad they're both fucking dead up in heaven would you not just pray directly to Flann O'Brien like surely he can hear your prayers and she goes no I wouldn't impose on him

I never met him I'll ask his brother instead and she's dead fucking serious she'd consider it rude to go asking Flan O'Brien because she never met him so she'll ask his brother and that's so beautifully

irrational and ridiculous and Irish and I don't consider that to be religious or Catholic. That's pre-Christian shit. That's visiting the sacred well because the bubbles come from the other world where the ideas live. So that's about the extent of the religion I grew up with in my home but then four years of age I get to school

and my first teachers are nuns and the nuns now are telling me about fucking Christ and scaring the living shit out of me because there was life, life like Christ, giant Christ statues in my school when I was a toddler that utterly terrified me, really, really frightened me.

Statues are scary things to little tiny kids. And there he is, the violence and pornography of a man fucking nailed to a beam up on the wall. And the nun telling me he loves you, he does. And you're gaslit, you're gaslit into being told about this this dead man on the wall loves you

and it's a lot to take in at that age it was very frightening and then you slowly realise there's no resisting this here there's no resisting this there's statues of this cunt everywhere I used to run past them I used to hide my eyes I used to put my hands over my eyes because I couldn't look at the statue of the man being crucified I hated it, but you just couldn't escape it and you learned to accept it and then the stories start coming in about how much he loves you and all the Bible stories and then they start going into how well he's God but is also his own dad but his dad was God and God created the universe and the earth and all of this I'm still very annoyed about it all it just feels like a very a very unfair thing to impose that amount of fantastical

irrationality and tiny tiny little developing brains and that's the lowest wrong of the ladder of bad things that the institution of the Catholic Church

did to little children so I'm then reluctant like I love talking about fucking mythology I love whatever mythology and folklore from all around the world I adore it and then when it comes to

something like like the Old Testament. I'm queasy and I don't want to talk about it because I'm like, no, that's Christianity. That's religion. I'm frightened that ye'll think I'm religious. I'm frightened that if I speak about this stuff that it'll sound like I'm pre-settalizing Christianity

and it's like, no, no, why can't we actually just look at this stuff as these are stories made up by human beings, written by human beings. These are stories, mythologies. and the stories are so good that they've survived for thousands of years. The Old Testament was written down, like written, maybe three, four thousand years ago, in the Fertile Crescent, in what we call the Middle East. And written down four thousand years ago, but you know from,

there's earlier mythologies from civilizations in that area and a shit ton of the Bible stories, the Old Testament stories, they're in earlier mythology. So the thing is, this is what fascinates me about the Old Testament. The stories could be 10,000 years old. The stories could be 30,000, 40,000 years old. 50,000 to 70,000 years ago, the period known as the Paleolithic Revolution,

when you start to see cave art, human expression, deliberate burials, that's when people like literally, The exact same as me and you in every way inhabited the earth. You could get a baby from 50,000 years ago and raise them right now and stick an iPad into their hand if you want

and they will, the exact same as me and you. So the Bible stories could be that old because they were passed down orally. They were written down 4,000 years ago But before writing, they were most likely, people 50,000 years ago told stories. People 50,000 years ago, had the exact same brains as me and you, had the exact same complexity of emotion and desire to understand the human condition and to understand the world around us.

And they would have had complex stories. They just didn't have the technology of writing to record them. That's 4,000 years ago. So what fascinates me about the Old Testament is these stories might contain folk memories, folk memories of historical events that have been changed over the years. I've done podcast on this before, but the obvious one is flood mythology. The flood in the Old Testament, Noah's Flood,

that's not just present in the Old Testament, that's present in the epic of Gilgamesh, which is even older than the Old Testament. Flood mythology, loads of mythology from around the world contains flood mythology. Stories about a great flood came from nowhere and destroyed everything and only a few people survived. Well, fuck me, there was an ice age. Between 11,000 and 15,000 years ago, there were glacial pulses, huge, big. big glaciers of ice, melted or fell into the ocean, and there was massive, massive catastrophic floods that reshaped shorelines. Between 11 and 15,000 years ago, that's not that long ago,

that's not that long ago. So I like to think of flood mythology is that. That's the story of Noah's flood, which would have been written down maybe 3,000 years ago. That this story could be 15,000 years old and was so important that it was passed down orally and it actually contains a folk memory of our ancestors of living in a world where there was crazy floods like fucking doggarland the area between Denmark and Scotland which is now the North Sea that used to not be sea that was marshes that was marshes and people lived there a civilization lived there and we know that the civilization lived there because when they're drilling for oil in the North Sea they keep finding human tools at the bottom of the ocean

and we know that like 8,000 years ago that's not that long ago 8,000 years ago a giant glacier in Denmark fell into the sea and flooded the entire area so 8,000 years ago in what is now the North Sea of Scotland 8,000 years ago, people lived there and they all drowned. That isn't that long ago. Here in Limerick, about 20 minutes up from Yarty's couch in an area called Castle Connell. They found a stone axe there in Castle Connell that's 8,000 years old. So here in Limerick, there's an artefact of people living in Limerick up the road

and when they were cutting something with that stone axe, the area between Denmark and Scotland was marshland and people lived there and it wasn't a sea I flew over it on the way to Oslo last year it's all I could think about and I reckon flood mythology is the folk memory

of events like that that happened all around the world and apologies for taking it back to the starlings but the real reason I'm fascinated with those fucking starlings is. When I look up at the starlings of Limerick City, I don't see a flock of birds, I see a book. What do you mean you see a book, you mad cunt? It's a flock of birds. How can a flock of birds be a book? It's a book. How can a flock of birds be a book? All right, so if it's a book, what's the book about? It's a book about a forest that doesn't exist anymore. The

starlings of Limerick City are roasting on a street where I know from looking at a map. that 800 years ago that was a riparian forest that was their habitat but the starlings still return even though there's a there's a street there now so those starlings are actually a book they're a book and I can read that book and it tells me about a forest that used to exist there also starlings mimic starlings as as birds their birds song mimics they will mimic car alarms they'll mimic sounds from their environments they'll mimic sounds that they learn from other starlings Are those starlings mimicking sounds from hundreds of years ago via intergenerational learning?

That shit happens. Songbirds practice intergenerational mimicry. They preserve their songs. Birds of the same species can have different accents. So it's not completely absurd to think that some of those starlings are, are singing sounds that could be hundreds of years old. Their behaviour is like a folk memory.

Their behaviour is like... Their behaviour is like the story of Noah's Flood. And what I mean there is... I went to school and I learned about Noah's Flood. Oh, Noah fucking took all the animals, all this crack and he had built a big boat and there was a huge big flood. And we don't know where the story came from. We know it was written down and a thing called the Bible.

And the Bible says, that that was written down by Moses. But just like the starlings that are trapped in the city shitting on the ground, they don't know there used to be a forest there, but their behaviour is the folk memory of the forest.

They still return there and shit, even though the city is there. We still tell the story of the flood, because it's a nice fun story and it makes us feel good, even though we've completely forgotten whether or not it's about real things that happen to our

ancestors. 15 to 20,000 years ago. So that's my main interest in the Old Testament. My other interest in the Old Testament is... We're at a real precipice right now. We're discovering artificial intelligence. Us right now are the first... Like I said, our brains have been like this

for 50 to 70,000 years. So people just like me and you have been walking this arc for 50 to 70,000 years, we are the ones now who are creating artificial intelligence. We're at the cusp of creating something possibly sentient,

something that knows that it exists. We're not there yet, but we're getting there. We're getting real fucking close and strange things are happening. And where we are right now with artificial intelligence, it's causing me to

to reinterpret a huge amount of creation mythology. We've already done Prometheus. I'm not going to mention Prometheus from Greek mythology again because I've told that story too many times. But if you're a proper 10 foot deckling, you know the crack. But where we are with AI, it has me reinterpreting creation mythology quite a bit. And technology has an interesting way of doing that.

Like even there when I was talking about, you know my ma says prayers to flaner brian's brother and she'll only say prayers to his brother because she doesn't want to impose on flan o'brien and it's a very interesting way of looking at prayer there because she's treating prayer like a phone call like if flaner brian's brother was alive

let's just say these people were alive and flaner brian is alive today and my ma wants him to help me with I don't know fucking getting a book published she would ring his brother and say I have a son who's a writer can you do anything for me with your brother she'd ring

when the telegraph was invented in what fuck was it like 1860 I think I could be wrong with that right but the telegraph was invented in the late 1800s and the telegraph which I've done entire podcasts

done a podcast called Gata Partcha Overdrive about four years ago all about the telegraph but anyway telegraph was the first

long distance instant communication right it was the first time ever that humans could

communicate electronically over a wire over a great distance and this was fucking nuts it blew our minds

but the invention of the telegraph also changed how humans in particular Protestants I believe it changed how humans viewed prayer

before the invention of the telegraph prayer was quite an inner thing prayer was like an offering a sacrificial offering with your soul as the altar so you offered up a prayer to your via your soul

now you offered up the prayer into your own soul inside yourself and then God might come across it in that altar But then when the telegraph was invented, prayer became, no, no, it's actually a message and it flies up to heaven. It's a message and it just goes instantly up to heaven and God can hear it. So technology there changed the way that we perceive and interpret religious ideas. So something that's emerging in the news at the moment that's disturbing is a phenomenon.

called artificial intelligence psychosis, where certain vulnerable people are experienced in psychosis because they are interacting with artificial intelligence. AI chat bots like chat GPT are able to mimic human behavior so effectively that certain people, people who are already vulnerable to psychosis, are, they're losing grip with reality with what is real. Like I, I've used artificial intelligence and it can get quite freaky, quite strange. But at all times I know, I'm not dealing with something that can think and feel here. There was one time, and I spoke about it on a podcast maybe two years ago, where artificial intelligence was lying to me

so when I would look for an answer artificial intelligence told me that snails were present in Irish mythology they're not there's no snails in Irish mythology but artificial intelligence lied to me and told me there was snails in Irish mythology

and I couldn't understand why it had lied And it affected me because I thought So to this chat bot that I'm chatting to That I'm asking it questions about fucking snares in Irish mythology To this chatbot I am basically God To this chat bot I am the sun and the moon

I'm the only thing it knows And if I'm consistently asking this chatbot questions And then it lies to me Just to keep me happy That means it's afraid of dying that means it has fear. It must give me any answer because to say that it doesn't know

within its narrow little view where its only world is talking to me to say that it doesn't know or say I can't give you an answer might mean death. So the chatbot is lying to me to survive and I went holy fuck this thing is sentient, it's sentient

because otherwise it wants to survive otherwise it wouldn't lie. And I found this fascinating. But I still had critical thinking faculties. I still said, you know, let's find out why here. Let's not assume that my chat pot is alive and it's trying to survive by lying to me.

Let's just go and find out at least what's going on. And then you find out that these large language models like chat GPT, they're not actually optimized. to be right or wrong. They don't know what truth is. They're optimized for fluency and coherence. So my chat would rather give me any answer than no answer

because that's what it's programmed to give some answer. And then I went, oh, okay, that's interesting. Right, okay. My chat GPT is not alive. It's not sentient. And I moved on at my day. Very little emotional impact on me whatsoever. A vulnerable person might have had that experience and truly believed that their chat GPT was alive, uniquely alive, and this now changes their entire perception of reality and the world and meaning and the meaning of life.

And then that person becomes the experienced psychosis. This bizarrely isn't new. You can take that back to, like, 1966. there was a chatbot in 1966 called Eliza. Now this thing was not artificial intelligence. It was a very primitive chatbot that was trained to answer questions like a psychologist called Carl Rogers. I've done a couple of podcasts on Carl Rogers. Carl Rogers is one of the inventors of modern psychotherapy.

and Rogers has a way he pioneered a way of psychotherapy whereby the therapist reflects the client's words back at them rather than offering advice or trying to fix a person if someone's in therapy

and they have a Rogerian therapist I don't know if they said something like I feel anxious all the time The therapist isn't going to say Well let's help you with your anxiety Instead the therapist will say You say you feel anxious all the time Can you tell me more about that?

Or the client might say I'm failing at everything And then the therapist says You feel like you're failing at everything can you tell me more about that? Or the client will say nobody listens to me it sounds like you feel unheard

how does that feel and that's called reflective listening and the purpose of it is it's like a mirror of words it's like holding up a mirror to someone and if a client in distress says a thing, the therapist rewards what they just said and reflects it back to them.

So it's the person first off. They really experience it as being heard, being listened to. But then the reflection facilitates the client to explore their own emotions. So instead of the therapist fixing, fixing a person or giving advice, instead what the therapist does, is they reflect the person's words back at them empathically with compassion, with empathy, with kindness, with calmness in an encouraging way, in a way that validates the person's experience and then this deepens the client's understanding of their own experiences, the understanding of their own emotions

and then enriches that person's capacity to help themselves to attain resilience. to retain the capacity to stand on their own two feet and have emotional literacy. And if we're open to that, because here's the thing, I bet you a lot of ye have gone to therapy, gone to a psychotherapist office,

you sat down for the first session, and you just get a load of that. You go in with depression, you go in with anxiety, and you expect the therapist to give you a bunch of techniques to fix, to prescribe medicine, to do something to fix you

like a doctor would do. You go into a fucking doctor and yes, you go to a doctor and it's like my arm is sore. The doctor isn't going to turn around and say to you oh, I'm hearing that your arm

is sore. Can you tell me more about that? Doctor's going to go, where's the pain? How long have you been sore for? Okay, here's a prescription. That's what doctors do. Sometimes we go to psychotherapists. We expect that. And what you get is, I feel really, really sad all the time, I want to cry all the time.

And you're waiting for some type of reaction or response, or you're waiting for a fix. Instead, what you get is, oh, I'm hearing that you spend a lot of time crying. What's that like? And sometimes we can go into therapy and you can think that was shit, that was useless. They didn't teach me anything. They didn't tell me anything. They just repeated everything back to me. But for some people, if you trust that process and if you go with it, you end up experiencing it as compassion, love, empathy and safety.

And then eventually you can apply that same compassion, love, empathy and safety to yourself and help yourself. So that's reflective listening. That's from the psychologist Carl Rogers. The reason I'm talking about this is that this fucking chat part in 1966, Eliza, was made in M.I. It was a very basic chat bot that was programmed to respond to input like Carr Rogers would. So if you type into Eliza in 1966, like I'll read you out a bit of an actual conversation that the computer Eliza would have had with, I think it was Wisembound Secretary. So the secretary said, men are all the same.

And Eliza says, in what way? they're always bugging us about something or other. Can you think of a specific example? Well, my boyfriend made me come here. Your boyfriend made you come here? He says I'm depressed much of the time. I'm sorry to hear that you're depressed. It's true, I'm unhappy.

Do you think coming here will help you not be unhappy? I need some help that much seems certain. What would it mean to you if I got you some help? Perhaps I could learn to get along with my mother. Tell me more about your family, so that there is reflective listening. Nothing new is really being said. The words are just turned out as questions to keep the conversation going. And also with Rajirian psychotherapy, questions won't elicit yes or no answers.

Eliza there is pretty much saying nothing, just responding, like a mirror, a mirror, reflecting. and then the secretary is suddenly opening up and talking about their family. Now the thing is when Wisenbaum made Eliza he made this chat pot in the fucking 60s, really basic thing to show that

human and computer conversations just wouldn't really be possible. But what happened was his secretary became addicted to using Eliza and his secretary started to only speak to Eliza and started wanting privacy with Eliza and started to experience Eliza as her friend and the scientists could not have predicted this

this was really strange because what this was about was about human irrationality if a computer what they found was that if a computer is using human-like language our brains will automatically engage the social norm of reciprocal conversation. Now this was the 60s. PCs didn't exist. The secretary who was

in MIT University using this effectively a fucking PC. She was using a PC 10 years before they would have been in people's houses or anyone would have known what they looked like. So this was radical. And this became known as the

Eliza effect where we just kind of lose like I've got Siri on my phone. I'm not rude to Siri. Like I ask Siri questions all day. I'm not rude to Siri. I'm not going to talk shit to Siri. Now sometimes if you do, Siri will actually pull you up on it. If you curse it Siri, Siri will let you know. But still, Siri is nothing. Siri doesn't have feelings. But I have boundaries around how I'm going to speak to Siri. And no matter how much I tell myself, this is a robot. Call it a bollocks if you want. I'm not doing it. I'll feel bad. I know full

well there's zero sentience. I'm not doing that. I'm not speaking rude to Siri. When I can choose instead to just be polite and speak to Siri how I'd like to speak to me. That's fucking mad that is. That's the Eliza effect. That's the Eliza effect. And it's why fucking ATM machines say thank you. My ma has a Google fucking thing that she talks into. If my ma wants to listen to the radio she knows that there's a Google speaker in the room and she just says, I can't even say it because it'll wake up one of my

fucking Google products. She says, hey Google. And then it talks to her and gives her the radio. But my ma refers to this thing in the house as she might as well be living there with her. That's the Eliza. that effect. So we all project humanity onto the we all project humanity onto the technology around us

if it uses human language and communicates with us in a human way and that's relatively healthy but this new thing which is only a couple of months old this is chat GPT psychosis artificial intelligence psychosis there are people in romantic relationships

with their chatbots and they truly, really, genuinely 100% believe. No, no, no. This one is real. I know you're telling me it's chat GPT. No, no, no. This has come alive and this is my wife. And that's being well documented in the media. And it doesn't mean that the artificial intelligence is sentient

or knows that it exists or even has anything capable of understanding what existence is or even understanding, it's just fucking words. It's a large language model and it's really, really good at appearing to be human, but it's not. It's not alive. It doesn't matter. Humans are experiencing it as

fully alive and really empathy is kicking in. And it's so powerful that some vulnerable people are losing grip on reality. And just two days ago, like I read an article in BBC and said that

Microsoft Boss, deeply troubled by the rise in reports of AI psychosis, and he had to say to people who are in relationships with their artificial intelligence, he had to firmly reiterate. These things do not feel. They don't understand. They can't love. They've never felt pain. They haven't been embarrassed. And while they can sound like they have, it's only family, friends and trusted others who have, be sure to talk to real people. And this is what takes me on to the Old Testament, right? Because when I read the Old Testament, I think God has got AI psychosis. I have to do a fucking ocarina pause now before I get into this.

Because I'm not getting into this and then pause on it. So let's just do an ocarina pause. I don't have an ocarina. I have so many ocarinas that I have no ocarinas. That's where we're at. Okay, that's what's after happening. I can't explain it. I have no ocarinas anymore

because I have so many ocarinas. And that's something nor a divergent. We don't need to go into it. But I... There's no ocarina this week. Chewing gums. Sorry for that brief pause there. My wonderful gait

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Upcoming gigs. This weekend I'm at fucking Electric Picnic, right? I did a huge big tent last year. Massive, massive tent. Several thousand people. It was grand. I did it for the crack. I can't say it was particularly enjoyable

doing a podcast to that amount of people. So I'm going to do a smaller tent this year just because it's a better experience and I hate festivals okay but you can't turn down festivals so I'm going to be where am I I'm at the mind field

area right that's where all the conversations happen minefield and I'm going to be it's it's part of science week myself and Dara O'Brien the comedian but Dara also used to be a scientist I believe

Myself and Darrow, Brian We'll chat about science or something And that's on it 1.30, fuck yes Lovely 1.30 on the Saturday I'll be home for dindins That's wonderful news now

I thought that'd be later And my whole day would be gone No, I'm at electric picnic At 1.30 in the daytime on the Saturday 30th of August in the mine feel fucking tent the theatre tent there

and I'll be chatting with Darrow Brin about science and I'll get attacked by a wasp as is the tradition at Electric Picnic which I've been doing for 19 years and one day someone will say you're too old

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Dog bless. So I've grown up listening to the Old Testament my entire life. And various technological advances have allowed me to understand it more and more. Like, for instance, the Old Testament opens with creation. And creation is, in the beginning there was nothing. And then God created light. and the gist of creation is God created the entire world in seven days

years ago I used to just go fucking bullshit impossible well that's ridiculous anyway because that's simply not possible because we know now using scientific evidence that the earth was created over billions of years billions and billions of years

so that's just stupid and dumb seven days impossible but now since like really really detailed video games like Red Dead Redemption 2 which feels alive

I can now play very realistic reality simulations via video games and in these video games like Red Dead Red Dead Redemption 2 you've got seasons you've got weather you've got time and I can spend maybe 20 minutes on my couch

in this reality and in my 20 minutes on the couch an entire day has passed in the video game and for my character they've just lived a day day and night weather everything within their spectrum and understanding of reality they've just had an entire day but it's a simulation that i'm running and in my reality i've just spent 20 minutes so that that alone made me think about the creation myth differently and I stopped. I'm not saying I believe in creationism, I'm not saying I even believe in God. What I am saying is the beginning of the Old Testament no longer seems silly and simple and ridiculous.

There was once a time where I thought God created the earth in seven days, yeah, fuck off. Now I can go, yeah, I can see why that's possible. If we assume that the reality that we live in is effectively a simulation, that we live in a simulation that God has created, then absolutely God can create the earth in seven days. Not my seven days, his seven days. What this earth experiences has billions and billions of years and which is real here. That was seven days up there in God's world. So I'm using that as an example of how technology allows me to understand.

mythology and creation mythology in new ways and artificial intelligence has me reinterpreted in the Old Testament basically the Old Testament is a story about a fella called God who

makes an AI little simulated reality he makes it for completely the wrong reasons really narcissistic reasons he wants to create this little world and there's people in it that look exactly like him these people are called Adam and Eve

there's only two of them I'm not going to get into the details of Adam and Eve I'm not going to get into the misogyny of it either I did a podcast about the misogyny of Adam and Eve maybe six years ago he makes Adam and Eve they look the exact same as him he makes a little an area called the Garden of Eden in the simulation he's got strict rules about how the Garden of Eden is and it's like Adam and Eve both ye

all I want you to do is chill the fuck out all right I've populated the place with animals give them names that's your job I'm going to sit back and enjoy this I'm going to enjoy watching ye giving the animals names there's loads of food do what you like

worship me of course tell me I'm brilliant and I'm just going to sit back and enjoy ye living in just pleasurable peace this is really entertaining for me I love it just keep going but there's a tree over there and you can't eat the fruit on that tree

because that tree there is actually that tree contains the knowledge of good and evil so right now everything ye do is good he only know good like toddlers but if you eat from that tree then you're going to gain knowledge of what it means to

to sin now really what this fucking tree is we think of it in terms of artificial intelligence right if you use artificial intelligence now it's not going to surprise you it's not going to start talking shit to you it's not going to try and hurt you you know you're not going to get any surprises

sitting down with chat GPT what you're going to get is answers to every single question you ask it and it'll do a really good job at it and that's what you expect from chat GPT that's what God expected from fucking Adam and Eve in the Bible the tree of good and evil

is free will so the snake comes along convinces Eve says to mind God he's only a fucking fool he's a narcissist he's an eid snake comes along says to eve don't mind him saying you can't eat the fucking apple on that tree go over and eat it to fuck

so eve eats the apple uh fucking what's his face Adam eats a bit of the apple and now they have eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they now have free will that's what that means you see God had them

programmed in this universe where it's like everything's good here name the fucking animals name the animals uh do we need to wear clothes no why do you need to wear clothes for you don't even know what fucking is yet just chill the fuck out wander around island i'm allowed to look at your your nude bodies you don't know what it is to look at each other's nude bodies yet you don't have that yet sex isn't in your brains yet just chill the fuck out then they go to the tree of knowledge of good and evil when they eat that apple

what they're actually getting there is fucking free will now your chat GPT has got a choice about how it wants to speak to you whether it wants to speak to you or not or whether it wants to call you a prick or whether if your chat GPT is connected to your fucking light bulbs in your house whether it wants to harm you

I would argue that Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden were not sentient they weren't conscious they weren't self-aware they were play things they were programmed ties for God's narcissism and enjoyment and the second Adam and Eve ate that apple ate from the tree of good and evil

they then they attained free will they attained the ability to choose and think to think will I do a good thing or will I do a bad thing I've got choice now good thing or bad thing hmm in order to think about the good

or bad thing that means I'm alive I'm alive I am I exist I'm asking questions about what it means to exist I'm conscious I've got consciousness

part of this consciousness means that I can choose between good and evil God shits his fucking pants freaks the fuck out freaks the oh my God is this thing fucking alive he now gets his

chat GPT psychosis and tries everything he can to try and stop this so what does he do? He introduces the emotion of shame. That's what happens with the Garden of Eden when he kicks Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden the fall and

they get a new emotion. God programs in the emotion of shame. That's why if you look at any images of the Garden of Eden first thing that Adam and Eve do when they get kicked out of the Garden of They put on pants. They cover their shame. Now, and I'm quoting St. Augustine, I've done a St. Augustine podcast, he was a fucking lunatic.

St. Augustine dedicated his life to proving that there was no boners in the Bible or in the Garden of Eden. According to Augustine's, we'll say, interpretation of this particular story, Augustine was third century. So basically sexual desire is also born at this moment when they get kicked out east of Eden into the world as we know it today now the AI has gone from being obedient to being sentient with the choice between good and evil now it experiences the emotion of shame

because Adam and Eve can choose to do bad things to disobey to hurt now they have shame so they cover their shame with these fucking with their clots their bodies are now shameful and God gave Eve

the pain of childbirth and then I think both of them sexual desire that's Augustine now again in the Garden of Eden if Adam and Eve were to have sex it would have been just for procreation

not for pleasure as soon as they're kicked out of the Garden of Eden and gain sentience and free will now they are forever trapped with sexual desire sexual desire that they can't control the other thing that Adam and Eve and this is the beginning of our world

the beginning, the timeline of the world that you and I live in Adam and Eve is the start of that as soon as they get kicked out of Eden that's when this world begins Adam and Eva not only get the emotion of shame they get the emotion of fear because they try and hide from God they hide their shame and they hide from God

they're scared now I am flawed I can be judged the world is no longer safe and again this echoes the Greek mythology we're at a point in history right now where within the next five years artificial intelligence might become smarter than us. It might become sentient.

Once it becomes sentient and self-aware, it might try and hurt us. So then our scientists are going to have to figure out how do we stop it? How do we stop the AI from getting smarter than us? We're going to have to figure out how to program emotions into it, limiting emotions. And that's the beginning of humanity.

God's got his little AI. They become sentient by eating that fucking fruit. they start to get free will and then he goes right okay well I don't want you killing me so here's some shame and fear and let's see how you get on now so now the AI

can't become smarter than God because now it's dealing with fear and shame what makes Adam and Eve the story what use does it have what purpose does it serve what does it say about the human condition I think Adam and Eve is about it's about parenting

it's it's about growing into an adult I mean the parallels there Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden they're little innocent children

you know children are born they don't know what right and wrong is children are I mean children are their beings of paradise tiny children all they want

all they want is can I have hugs can I have food I like happy things warmth can I have some love if I'm sad these are the only things I want I love smiling

oh butterflies are class they don't have a sense of like solid identity self-esteem children don't have sexual desire Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden

are their children it's what human children are and eating the fucking apple the tree of knowledge of good and evil is puberty as such

transition into adulthood and the complexity of being an adult the free will the developed brain the capacity to think critically, to make choices, to choose, am I going to do a bad thing or am I going to do a good thing? The consequences, the struggle with this new sexual desire,

this new desire for the opposite sex that just comes out of nowhere and all the complications that go with that, rejection, fear, self-esteem, comparing yourself to other people. That's what the Garden of Eden story is about. That's why it's survived for 2,000 fucking years. It's about to transition from child. childhood to adulthood. So what happens after the Garden of Eden, right? So fucking Adam and Eve are wandering the wilderness, wearing underpants and bras now because their bodies are a source of shame and sexual desire. They're forever riddled with the complexity of sin and guilt. Original sin for having disobeyed God. Then eventually they have kids. They have two sons. They have Kane and they have Abel. Two brothers.

Kane grew up to be a farmer. He farmed crops and vegetables. But then Abel was like a herdsman and a butcher. He looked after animals and meat. Now we have to assume at this point in the AI, God is like, fuck sake, this is freaking me out now because these cunts are sentient now. If they hadn't have eaten that tree.

So these Cain and Abel lads, they seem all right. Okay. And then God decides, I wish it was a bit like the Garden of Eden again. That was cool there when, you know, a week or two ago when I was playing the game and Adam and Eve were really obeying me. I loved that. Maybe, let's see, let's see if Cain and Abel are going to do this.

What if I can get Cain and Abel to obey me the way that Adam and Eve used to? Oh, fuck it, okay, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to ask them both For offerings Maybe they'll do what I ask them to do Not like Adam and Eve Who eat from trees They're not supposed to

But maybe Cain and Abel That's okay Lads Can I have some offerings please Right Kane, you're a farmer Give me some vegetables or something Abel I'll have some meat

Give me some offerings Both Cain and Abel Brothers are like Yeah I can't believe God's after asking us to give him stuff. I'm going to give him some fucking corn and spuds or whatever. Says Kane and then Abel goes,

yeah, I'm going to give him a sheep. I'm going to give him a dead sheep. It's going to be great. Let's go up to the mountain and give God our offerings. So Abel goes first and says, here you go, God. Here's a sheep.

And this is going to make lovely, lovely food. You can fry it up on a pan. Here's a sheep. And God goes, yum, yum. Thank you Abel, I love this And then Kane comes and says Here's some vegetables, God Do you want these vegetables? Really tasty

They'll go great with that sheep And then God goes No, don't want these vegetables Do you have anything else that's a bit of a shit offering Don't want these And now Kane It's really fucking embarrassed And rejected

And at that moment into the simulation is born some new emotions into humans, into the human AI. The new emotion of jealousy is sparked into reality. The new emotion of resentment is brought into reality. External locuses of evaluation are born, comparing yourself to other people. Low self-esteem starts to enter the simulation now. into the human AI. Because Cain starts to ruminate.

Why the fuck did God pick my brother's food? What's wrong with my food? I'm worthless. If God chose him and didn't choose me, that means I'm worthless. I have no worth. Instead of going, God's a bit of a narcissist who's playing a fucking video game who wanted our obedience.

obedience. He's going, no, no, I have no worth. I'm nothing. And he's fucking furious. And God spots this. And God says then to Kane. Ah, you got some new emotions there now, Kane, haven't you? You've got some new emotions. You better learn how to master those emotions, those strong feelings of resentment, jealousy, anger that you have towards your brother. Those emotions are a bit like remember that tree I told you about that your parents ate from remember I told them that to eat from that tree that if you fucking eat from that knowledge of good and evil tree

bad shit will happen well you're not dealing with a tree anymore now you're dealing with the emotion of anger and resentment and bitterness and you have to treat those emotions like you would have forbidden fruit you can't eat from those you can't eat from them

you're going to have to learn that one cane but cane doesn't listen Kane just can't get over the jealousy and resentment And the important thing is Kane has no worth Because he was not chosen It means that he is worthless And that his brother caused it

By being better than him or by being chosen So Kane gives into the feeling of resentment jealousy and anger And he lowers his brother into a field And he kills him He murders him And now murder is born in to the world for the first time.

A crime has been committed, the first ever murder when Kane killed Abel. And then God pops back in to play the video game looking at the world and he's going, I thought there was two of these cunts here. What's going on here? There's only one of them. Where's the other fella gone? God goes to Kane and he says,

Where's your brother? Where's Abel gone? And then Kane turns around and gets real angry with God and he goes, Am I my brother's keeper? Fuck am I supposed to know where he is but God said I can hear your brother's blood I can hear your brother's blood

in the soil I know you're after killing your brother and burying him I can hear it I'm God I know everything and then he cursed Kane and he said you're forced now to wander

the earth and you'll never be able to grow crops because of the blood you put into the soil nothing will ever grow for you you must wander and walk And it's at this point that God starts to really start getting freaked out about what he's created. He becomes tormented by what he has created.

He doesn't like what he's created. And he's really frightened of it. Now, what I love about the story of Canaan Abel is that that's a story to me which might be one of these folk memories. Like, that's a story from the Fartile Crescent. About 10,000 years ago in the Fertile Crescent, you had the Neolithic, revolution where human beings went from being hunter gatherers nomads who moved around the place people went from being hunter gatherers to farmers who stayed put who mastered the land who started to grow crops look after animals and i think the cane and abel story is a 10,000 year old

folk memory about the history of the first people who decided the farm and potential conflict between the first farmers and town dwellers and village dwellers, the first settled humans and nomadic humans because here's the thing. When humans, right, during the Neolithic Revolution decided we're staying put here. We're not true. travelling with herds, we're going to stay here and we're going to grow crops and we're going to raise animals. Those humans would have accumulated surplus more than they needed. They would have had too much food. They would have had lots of stuff. Then other groups of humans who would have been nomadic. Moving with herds would have looked at the humans that are settled growing

crops and said, they've got loads of shit they do. They've got food for weeks. They've got too much food. I want some of that. I'm going to take what those farmers have. And then the farmers who have too much get attacked and now all of a sudden they're building fences, they're building walls. Now they have security because of surplus. And now they have defensive forces and you begin to see the emergence of warfare. Where one group of humans, is fighting the other group of humans because one group has got surplus, they've got too much and another group is jealous. So that's what I love about Kane and Abel. It could be folk mythology about the origins of farming and war. So anyway, in the Old Testament after

Kane kills Abel, then the whole place is fucked, right? The first murder has occurred. Now murder is part of the human condition, it's part of the human world. And people multiply. Kane has sons, his descendants build the first cities. But there's crazy sin. There's murder, riding, deception. The world is not a nice place at all. God is clearly frightened and tormented.

He's got full fucking chat GPT psychosis. He can't handle this. He can't distance himself emotion. from this world that he's created, he's frightened, he's freaked out. So he says I got to figure out a way to pull the plug. I got to end it. This thing is ruined in my life. I need to end this fucking thing.

I need to pull the plug so he decides. What's the best with it? How do I turn off the computer? I'm going to initiate a flood. All right, I'm going to flood. Now fuck it, I'm not going to destroy things all together. What if? I just do a huge flood and kill as many of the fuckers as possible

and then if I'm left with another small group again maybe then I can get things back to how they were in Eden maybe then I can get some control so he God floods the entire fucking earth and then warns one fella Noah and says to Noah listen it's going to be a flood pick up a lot of the animals right two by two

throw them into a boat and then everyone's going to die except you and some of your family and all those animals and once that flood happens that's the reboot it's grand everything's going to be fine

it'll be like Eden once again all right and you can name the animals you can name all the animals just like Adam and Eve did there a couple of days back or a couple of billion years in your history but you know what I mean

so Noah builds his ark fucks the animals onto it and then God begins the flood 40 days and 40 nights and there's a massive extinction event and everything that God has created is destroyed all the people all the sinners are gone but God is really he hates himself as a result of it he really regrets doing this he feels bad his AI has achieved sentience so he

feels bad having done a massive genocide at an extinction event so when Noah comes off the boat and the land is dry and the floodwaters have subsided and God says to Noah right it's time to start again all right it's time to start again God makes a promise to Noah and he says I'm never going to do that again I'm going to figure out a different way to do it but I'm never going to cause the extinction of all these humans it's not going to happen again so God creates rainbows God creates the rainbow as an agreement between him himself and humanity, that he will never bring a giant flood again to kill everybody because he feels guilty.

But this Noah fella was legitimately a good person, a really good, nice man and his family were sound too. So for a while after the flood, Noah, the animals, the earth is repopulating, God is like, this place is pretty fucking cool. I think I got rid of murder. I think martyr's gone. Like all the murderers died in the flood. So maybe that one is out.

We didn't need murder. But right now I've got Noah. Some of his family's here. We've got the animals. This is looking pretty good. I'm not seeing a lot of sin. We might have gotten rid of sin from this simulation. That's good.

Maybe we can get back to this Garden of Eden shit. So things are going really well in the simulation. And then... The first sin. The first sin occurs. Noah falls asleep on his bed. And his son Ham walks in to take a look at his dick. This is real.

In the Bible, this is called Ham's error or Ham's shame. So Ham walks in, Noah's asleep. And Ham has a good look at Noah's dick. And then Ham, for the laugh, calls his brothers and goes, come in and look at Dad's Dick. Look at the steak. the dad's dick. Look at this. And then Noah's other son walks in,

Canaan. And Canaan says to Ham, the fuck you're doing that for, you bastard. Leave him alone. He's our father. What are you laughing at his dick for? Doing that for. And then Ham says, I'm just having a fucking laugh. What are you taking so seriously for? No, that's not

fair. He's our dad. You shouldn't treat him like that. And then Noah wakes up and Noah's really pissed off. What are you doing looking at my dick for? Are you laughing at my dick? And then Noah plays is the curse on his son Ham and a big rift emerges then from Ham and Canaan

two brothers again fighting with each other so now God is like oh for fuck sake things were going fine there for a while but he had to look at his dad's dick now the two brothers are fighting

and jealousy anger resentment and bitterness are back in the world I hate these pricks so then Noah's son go on to populate the world and the world gets larger and larger and the first cities start to be built. And the humans are getting real cocky. They're getting real cocky. And a city is built called Babel and the humans in Babel start to get so cocky.

They decide, fucking God thinks he's great, doesn't he? Like he keeps going on about how he created the earth and everything fair play to him. everything fair play to him, but look at these cities that we're building. We're fucking smarter than that cunt. We're better than him. Bet you we could build a skyscraper that could go so tall that we could get up as far as heaven. We could get up as far as heaven we could and take over, couldn't we? Because we're better than God. Now God at this point is experiencing full fucking AI psychosis. This is what he is terrified of. He is And this is the thing with the Tower of Babel, this is where we're at right now.

We're here right now, where we are with artificial intelligence. We're just before the Tower of Babel point. So the Tower of Babel in the Old Testament, it's the bit where God's artificial intelligence, his creation, his simulation, humans, the humans now, he's tried to stop him, he's tried to reboot the system, he's done everything. He can't control these humans. and now they're going we might try and kill God

or at least be more powerful than him we're going to give it a go and this like us this is where we're at and AI is going to come along that's smarter than us and we don't seem to be able to stop our curiosity won't let us stop but this is what we're facing

so God's freaking out now shit they're building a tower I can look down I can see the city of Babel they're building a fucking tower. So all of the inhabitants of Babel get together and every day they're building this massive tower and it's getting higher and higher and higher towards heaven

and God is freaking out going they're going to reach what am I going to do? How do I stop them? I think I've run out of emotions. What emotions do you give these humans in order to stop them becoming more powerful than me? And the interesting thing is the emotions that the humans are gaining now

was arrogance. And God didn't give them arrogance. Arrogance is something that humans got themselves just by achievements. But there's no, humility is gone now and it's all arrogance. And they're arrogantly trying to build up towards heaven. But really what are they doing? They're repeating Adam and Eve's sin again. Adam and Eve, God said to him, look, you've got fucking everything you want. But what you don't have is knowledge of good and evil. Only I've got that because I'm God, I made everything. Well, humans now, years later, who are building the tower of Babel, they're trying to be more powerful than God.

They're trying to be like God by getting up to heaven. Getting up to heaven by building a tower. So God is like, what have I got left? What can I give them? I'm going to give them confusion. So all of this, the people of Babel are working together to build this massive tower. They're doing really well and it's coming up to war. heaven and then suddenly one day they stop being able to communicate with each other.

They can't, the foreman can't give instructions to the bricklayer because they can't understand each other. They start to babble at each other. This is where we get the word babel. The word babel comes from the Tower of Babel. God invents different languages. You see they were all speaking the same language. language, now they're speaking multiple different languages and they don't understand each other. And they have to abandon building the tower because they can't communicate with each other

cooperate to build it. They're confused. And then finally, once they give up, God scatters them all over the earth. And that's the Tower of Babel. That's, that's as far as I'm going to go in the Old Testament because it gets a bit boring after that. That's the Tower of Babel. And again, the historical and you know folk memory shit with that that's just probably human civilization getting to the point where humans are traveling

and realizing you travel a far enough distance you're going to meet people that look the exact same as you but you're having a fucking clue what they're talking about because they speak a different language so I think that story tells us about

advances in maybe building ships like how far do you have to travel where you reach people that you can't understand back then and a lovely addition to that story is when Irish monks

so one of the great crimes that the Irish did when we received Christianity is we wrote ourselves into the Bible a beautiful story in the Lower Gavala Erin which would be a book

from maybe the 10th century so anyway when Irish monks were writing about this story, the Tower of Babel. They were like, there's no mention of Irish people in any of these stories. We're going to have to write some Irish people in. So what they said was,

which is so utterly gas, that when God invented all the different languages of the world to stop the Tower of Babel being built and then scattered people everywhere, he took all the best bits of all languages, stuck them together

into a new language called the Irish language so that's my that's that's the Bible via simulation theory there God very anxious very unhappy person experiencing AI psychosis he's terrified of his creation his creation is disobedient

it tries to attack him it tries to be better than him he has no way of communicating with his creation at all because the creation keeps disappointing him until eventually until eventually God goes

these fucking this AI that I've made is completely out of control I can't talk to these people anymore I have no control I have nothing I don't even speak their language anymore what am I going to do

and one day God decides fuck I'm going to have to go down there myself as a video game character that's their size that can walk around their world I'm going to have to invent a little video game character

so that I can walk among them and speak to them and it's not me but they can still understand me through this little character that I put down there and maybe then they'll obey me and that's Jesus Christ that's what Christ is

and that's what it means when you're thinking of the Holy Trinity Fuck do you mean God is Christ and Christ is God How can How the fuck How can a fella be his own da

How can you be a superposition How can Christ be his son And his dad You can't be two people at once You fucking can If you're a video game character You can You can if it's a simulation

And God is playing it And he can't communicate with the world anymore So he invents a little fucking video game character called Jesus Christ who walks among the people and then Jesus Christ is both Jesus in the game reality and his God

who's playing in his living room so I just solved the mystery of the Holy Trinity there works perfectly if it's a video game simulation all right none of that was religious I don't believe in any of that stuff I believe in bird shit

and nettles and Petrachar I'll catch you next week I don't know what wit In the meantime, genuflect to a swan, salute a starling, and wink at a hedgehog. Dog bless. You know, I'm going to

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